March 11, 2025 • 23 mins
It’s time for the Women Tell All, and Ashley brought in our favorite Bachelor Nation beat reporter Zachary Reality to help break it all down!
Zachary has all the inside info on what really happened between Grant and Dina, we hear more about his feud with Carolina, and we have some tea on who could be the next Golden Bachelor!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Today. I
am joined by Zachary Reality. He's gonna be filling in
for Ben and it's a great episode. Zach for you
to be joining us, because you had inside tea about
women Tell All. You came on our show last week
to give us some of the drama you were experiencing
(00:26):
with Carolina about women Tell All, so you probably have
more insight than anyone into this, besides the girls that,
of course were there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I will say that I had a thank you for
having me back. I had a few friends over last night.
When she walked off the stage. We all screamed because
I did not I wanted her to walk off the
stage because you know, she told me she was going
to So if they edited that out, I would have
looked like a liar.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I was glad that they at least showed it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I also was glad and interested that they didn't
show the backstage of her. You know, she said the
cameras followed her. I guess they decided not to air that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, So if you guys didn't turn into our show
last week, tune into our show. Last week, basically, Zach
and Carolina had a little digital feud going on because
he aired that somebody went backstage at cameras followed and
that it was going to be a dramatic woman till
all moment. Well, it actually turned out to be on TV,
(01:21):
not very dramatic. She was shown walking off. They don't
show what happened actually backstage, and Jesse just said she
needed a moment. It was really no big deal.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, basically that's what happened, and we're all good. Now
we started texting again and water under the bridge, and
like I said, you know, I'm not her biggest worry.
You know, there was some other girls, so she should
be more worried about. So I wasn't her only social
media drama last week.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm assuming, though, that you're going to be too scared
to give any of her gossip out to the world.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, there's just no point. I'm not going to try
for her again or go back and forth. Luckily, you know,
since outing that I've talked to her other girls, I've
reached forward, and I've gotten some new gossip that I
can share anonymously.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So oh yeah, give it us.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I was just telling your well, I was just telling
your producer backstage that they are looking for the next
Golden Bachelor, because you know this, They're looking for a
fresh guy.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A fresh guy interesting, Okay, Yeah, I know somebody who's
getting relatively further in the casting as one of the women.
So I'm not surprised that it's happening, but I'm interested
to know why they're choosing a fresh guy. I think
it's because Mark is taken and so is oh my gosh,
what was his.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Name, Jonathan? But Jonathan broke up with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Jonathan broke up with his girlfriend, why wouldn't they choose him.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think they're really looking for a fresh new face,
like somebody from anywhere. So if anyone here is listening
and you know, wants to nominate their dad or their grandpa,
go to Golden Bachelor casting dot com.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
They are really looking for their main guy.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There's like two weeks left and opposedly will film in July,
and they already have like thirty thousand women ready to go,
So they really are just looking for the right guy.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So I don't know if you know anyone, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't. I don't because I would be setting them up.
But I do have a great woman for the cast. Now,
Bachelor in Paradise does seem to be a go. Ben
and I were speculating yesterday that it seemed to be
not as sure of a thing as we thought, but
maybe we just heard from we heard that there was
more of a standstill than to be expected for a
(03:43):
show that they've like put little teasers out for already,
and in the Women Tell All, Jesse really makes it
seem like in two weeks we're gonna have some we're
gonna have updates about Paradise. I think that's gonna be
the change of location, and I think that is going
to be the fact that they're adding Goldens to the show.
(04:05):
Just my guess, what have you heard about that?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I also think they could announce some cast. I mean,
they've already announced Jonathan Hakkem. I don't know if they'll
announce everybody. I don't know if they need to, but
I think they'll announce potentially an air date or at
least a timeframe, which I think could be September right
or maybe earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I think it'll be back to being a summer show.
I believe that they are filming in May this year,
and that probably I heard May as well. Okay, yeah,
so I think they'll be done editing by August. I
think they know it does better as a summer show
and they can keep at least a little bit of
semblance of normalcy for their year round schedule. Okay, So
(04:48):
any any speculation about the Goldens being in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, that's what I heard too, that like they could
potentially be there and have their own type of yeah
side show. I think that's I think it's dumb. I
don't want two shows on one show. I mean, I
don't think that works. So I think they need to
either commit to a Golden Paradise separate show and then
maybe even to like four episodes if they want, like
they did on Winter Games. They don't need to commit
(05:11):
to a whole season. But I don't think they should
mix them.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, all right, let's get back to the main show
for a second. Carolina is start. She starts out the
show by showing off a jacket that has quotes on
it from the Carolina Show.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Show.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Jesse says, it's a bold choice. What do you think? Yeah,
this is bold. She's telling everyone basically that she had
more airtime than anyone else, which is accurate by a lot, right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But it's not necessarily something you want to brag about.
It seems a little petty and low, but I mean,
I do think she kind of held her own during
the into all, a lot of the girls were coming
at her, and she kind of helps her own with
some receipts and some facts, and I didn't think she
was as ganged up on as maybe it seemed.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm sure a lot was cut on the editing room floor.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, she obviously was upset. It was a lot of
hat rehashing of the exact same stuff we didn't get anywhere. Really,
you either don't think Caroline is that bad or you're
like one of the girls and you think that she's annoying.
As heck, I can understand living with her would be annoying.
I still am on her team, though. When we talk
(06:19):
about the whole Rose situation, that is a weird thing
to say to someone, and it's a weird thing to
not address. So of course she goes and addresses it,
and that was the beginning of the real the Carolina Show.
I still think it was valid, and I still think
that was valid, and we get the answer. We see
(06:40):
the clip in This Woman Until All. It's one of
the most pivotal moments in the show. We see that
Grant did say to Rose something along the lines of
during this dancing date today, I was thinking of you.
He'd never mentioned when dancing with Carolina, I was thinking
of you whole huge.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Difference, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I think it kind of clears things up, it understand
I understand why Carolina was a little triggered by what
she heard, and Rose kind of admits to maybe like
getting it wrong a little bit. So I'm glad that
they were able to clarify what was actually said. But
it doesn't seem like we got resolution between Carolina and Rose.
Like it doesn't seem like they made up or are
going to be friends. So maybe we'll get more of
(07:24):
that on their beef in Paradise if they both end
up being there.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I still think it was a bold choice of
Rose to make make comment about any of that to Carolina.
Super weird. But you know, we understand that Carolina definitely
has her flaws. I don't deny that she was. She
was a big source of drama in the house, even
with things we probably didn't see now, Dina says another,
(07:49):
she says something bold. She says, if it weren't for me,
like I got you a whole other week here. And
I don't think she's wrong. She was the one that
stuck up for her that week in Madrid.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But don't you think that's a wild things to say,
that Dina has that much control over like a Rose.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
If it weren't for Dina standing up for do you
think that she would have? Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying. That is something that I
probably wouldn't choose to say, But in a moment of
drama on a TV show with lights in my face
and cameras, it could come out of my mouth. I
wouldn't be totally surprised. But you're right. In real life,
(08:31):
I would never say that to somebody, but on a
reality show, like, I'm not surprised that it came out
of her mouth.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It seems like a little like crazy that Dina would
have that much power. But maybe Dina like sticking up
for Carolina and like making up with her because they
made up that Rose ceremony, they like hugged upstairs, Like
maybe that like told the producers like, hey, like we
can resolve things with her, Let's keep her longer, because
if she was so shunned from the house, then the
storyline would have played out and maybe the producers would
have been like, all right, you're not aunt's choice, let's
(09:00):
just you can go.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So maybe Dina met.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
No that hug happened right before Carolina was eliminated. She
didn't get through that week. It was the week before
when ca when Dina was like, you guys, like she's
a very sweet soul. She's a sweet soul and like
I'm thinking about her through all of this. That's the
week she said she got her through.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like, well maybe she she definitely supported her and had
her back, you know. So I think Dina did come
in with some receipts that like she was her friend
and she felt kind of like cross the second, like
something happens between them.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Another thing that Dina did was she posted a TikTok
that said, like, when you defend the one person, nobody
else would just to get played, just to get played.
The next week, so Dina was teasing the up coming
episode where she and Carolina actually had at it. And
this is one of the first times that we see
(10:06):
Bachelor The Bachelor using Instagram content, TikTok, social media content
to create drama on the show, to perpetuate a storyline.
I like it. Let's continue doing this. But again, that
was a bold choice of Dina. I could see why
Carolina would have been upset by that. But at the
(10:29):
same time, she isn't saying much. She's not really throwing Shane.
It is exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Well, wasn't that the same thing that happened to me
last week with my Twitter I wasn't trying to throw Shane.
I was trying to like seize the show. The same
thing happened with Dina's you know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, And then what happens as you allude to Carolina
decides to just screenshot their text messages and put them
out there. Like, Carolina, you can't do this. No one's what.
You can't do this. Every time somebody annoys you a
little bit with a social media comment, you're gonna just
(11:06):
you know, to grow our private text messages.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I mean, at least she's consistent.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So now people know, do not play with Carolina, don't
trigger her, don't pope, don't you know, press her. But
she don't text her. She you got to call her
or FaceTime hers. I sent her voice notes. Actually, you
cannot be texting her because if you do something wrong,
she will post your text.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
She's done it to multiple people.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's hilarious. This episode did make me like Diana even more.
I do feel like she should have been the Bachelorette
if we were going to pull one from this season.
She is so unapologetically and genuinely type A. It's hilarious
between her laundry and there was some other moment where
I was like, this girl is just no shame in
(11:51):
her type A game. You you what it was? Your
take on her glasses. I thought she looks stunning in them.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, going to say like Bold's choice for her glasses,
because I feel like she was getting a lot of
flak online. People were just saying that she looks different now.
So I don't know if she dyed her hair, if
something's different in her makeup routine, or just the glasses,
But a lot of people have been commenting on her appearance,
and I think she looks really smart, looks like the
attorney that she is.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
She's well spoken, and.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I feel like she she's probably you know, went back
and forth with Carolina a little too much, like maybe
she shouldn't have, you know, been a little feet. It
fed into Carolina as much as she did, but I
feel like at least she got her point across and
hopefully she's able to move forward after this woman. Until all,
even though the two of them probably won't be friends,
maybe we'll see both of them in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Dina's going to go into this friendship with like gard
On for sure, like a bullet proof vest. She's not
gonna trust anything anymore. But Dina her makeup routine. In
her look, she looked so good. She looked softer. I
liked the curls and her There's something softer about her face.
(13:00):
I loved it. I want to see more of this
Dina look. The other big thing to come out of
this show was that she says, my family was actually
torn on meeting you, and I made the final decision
not to have them meet you because I didn't want
it to be like an internal family conflict. Jesse asked
(13:23):
Well that she regrets it, and she said, yeah, sometimes
a little bit, and yeah, it made me think. I'm
not sure. I think that I would, just knowing myself,
if my family was internally conflicted about it. I would
think that it was probably something that they could get
over that like, once they did it, they would be
happy that they did it, so we would just go
(13:43):
forward with it. Dina said that she didn't know it
was going to be as big of a deal. She
wishes that she would go back and be like, hey, like,
what does this mean to you? Like this this is
really concern you. What was your take on all this?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And it definitely seems like Grant was going to send
her home regardless, So I don't think it was to
make one like clearly he's falling in love, like he said,
you know, to Letia and Juliana at their hometowns. So
I think that it's sad that Dina like let that
eat herself up. It sounds like she didn't give herself
her family enough prep time, Like maybe she didn't think
she was going to make it too hometowns, and when
(14:22):
she found that she was going there was really was
only a few days to scramble. So it kind of
sucks that, like her family was divided over it, and
that they she made the joint decision to step in
and be like everyone stop fighting. Nobody's coming. So that's
kind of how it seemed like it went down. I
wish she was able to bring a couple of her
siblings since she has ten so many. But ultimately, like
when she explained it, it does make sense, you know
(14:43):
why she didn't want to take that gamble when there
was when it was causing such a divide in her family.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, like, no judgment. I just said what I would
have probably done. But I have no idea how a
family of eleven children navigate issues like this. You know,
it's just me and my sister eleven children. So it's
like if you were to say, like, hey, half my siblings,
can you come just like be down to do this,
I don't know. Does that divide the family? Does that
(15:10):
like really piss them the other side off? I understand
why she made the choice that she did, and yeah,
I don't think it ultimately made any difference.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
They're a tight family unit.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It seems like, yeah, it's it's cool to be that
close when you have eleven siblings.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yes, so it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I think that, you know, I still think she's gonna
go to Paradise and hopefully find love and luckily her
family won't have to be involved in that, and it
makes sense like she chose to go on TV, her
family didn't, so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And I do agree with you. I think that time
was a big factor. It's hard to be able to
get everybody on one page when you have like five days,
not even five days, to decide what to do exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So she she still held her own and you know,
she had to get that cry out when she saw
Grant to get that closure, but it seems like she got.
And now I'm trying to think about who I want
to ship her with for Bachelor in Paradise because I
definitely think she'll be there. I mean, there's only a
few girls this season. I think we'll definitely be there,
and I think we'll see her. I think we'll see Carolina.
I think we'll see Rose and maybe even Chloe in
(16:16):
Alex and Alex.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
If Alex is down to do it. For some reason,
Alex feels like she might not be a Paradise girly right, but.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hopefully she's Sina. She got a lot of airtime last night.
She had like a whole hot seat.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, that was interesting. We didn't get much out of that.
We got that her mom wants to be on the
Golden which is probably why she got it, because they're
probably putting her on the Golden Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I did see a lot of comments online that there
wasn't a lot of room for talk between the girls.
They really focused in on a lot of these hot
seats for a while. And Carolina that a lot of
the other girls who are like you could call them
the extras if they went home early. They really didn't.
We didn't hear them speak at all, Like they didn't
even get like one question.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's true. And you know what's also really weird is
that they had Beverly there and then they didn't have
her say anything about her appendectomy? Right, what Why have
her there and not talk about why she had a
dramatic early exit.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Must have got cut.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It probably probably got cut. Yes, now it's the big
teas for the finale. What is your take on Grant's
(17:34):
facial expressions. I feel like this is not going to
end well for him.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, his body language looked a little exhausted and a
little upset, which is normal to see with some bachelors
after a long season. They could be wearing the exhaustion.
But he also should be excited that it's almost over.
So I think that he might be anticipating some backlash
in these next couple of weeks when we see what
goes down at the finale, and I think he's probably
(18:00):
wearing that and getting nervous for the fans to see
what really went down.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He certainly hasn't gotten backlash yet.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
No, he's gotten a very clean edit. Yeah, it's very
just cookie cutter. I mean, he hasn't made much of
an impression on me, so it's not I'm not like
I don't love him, I don't not like him, like
he's kind of just.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah. The girls have definitely led the season as a
lot of times they say they do. Okay, Well, what's
your final prediction? Seeing the scenes for the next couple episodes,
I think that it's intense to see him say I
love you to Letia, and if he doesn't pick her
after the I love you, I love you, that's always
that's always dramatic.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
One'm gland to know that there's two weeks. I originally
thought next week was going to be the finale. Yeah,
so I would have been like, wow, that would have
gone fast. So next week I think should be interesting.
I think just the whole Fantasy Suites aspect adds a
different layer because did you know that Grant was celibate?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
This came out last.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Week, but tell us everything.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, he's been celibate for a year going into the Bachelor.
He was in a seven year long relationship before he
was on gen season, so he was really trying to
be intentional with having sex. So he opened up about
it on The Bile Files last week about how he
was celibate going into the Bachelor's So I really think
that that should come up during this week's Fantasy Suites
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because they're already trying to make this storyline about Letia
not wanting to sleep with him because she's Mormon, but
now it seems like she's not gonna have to worry
about that anyway because he won't be sleeping with anyone.
So that will that potentially could make a lot less
drama on the Fantasy Suites than what we're used to
or what we were hoping for.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Wow, that does change things. That does make things easier
for her, assuming all assumptions, but yes.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Assuming yeah, So I wonder how they'll have those conversations
and how they'll navigate those conversations. I think we're all
on agreement that we think Zobe's probably going to go
home next week at the the final three. So I
would be interested to see just how she goes home.
Is she is it a mutual decision, does she walk
herself out? Is she gonna cry and be really heartbroken
about it, or is she gonna just you know, shrug
(20:11):
her shoulder and move on. I think her exit is
what's keeping me interested.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, she is. They definitely voiced over the whole, like
I could see myself engaged to this woman. That's definitely
not about Dewey in my opinion, that's to throw us
with it up. Yeah, No, okay, Well, Zach, is there
anything else that we've missed that was really dramatic during
Women to all?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It was a little lackluster.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Anything that, you know that to spice it up?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I know, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, I think what we got and I did
watch some interviews, is there really wasn't resolution. Like I said,
it's with Carolina and some of the girls, like usually
you'll see like a hug or like something at the end,
and we didn't get any of that. So I think
we can expect some of that drama to carry over
in Paradise. I also did notice that a lot of
people giving Jesse Palmer a hard time last night, and
I kind of agreed. It seemed like he didn't know
(21:04):
when to step in when the girls were fighting, and
he wasn't good at guiding any resolution or just conversation.
So I think we have to give him a little
bit of flak for last night, at least the way
it was shown.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I just didn't think he did much as a host.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, respect I did see a comment that was like,
Dina is actually hosting this thing.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Right exactly. There was just like a lot of screaming.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I felt like I would didn't get to hear from
all the girls, So this was probably more of a letdown,
I would say, out of all the tell.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Alls, I just feel like tell alls need to be reevaluated.
Ben and I you like, tell All's you told us
last week that you were really excited about this. I
get so angry when they're like and next week women
tell All, I'm like, no.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Gary radis sweet.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I just don't feel like I need it, especially in
a season that is already two episodes shorter than the
norm Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, it definitely is a little bit shorter. Huh yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I like tell all just because it's like the drama's
heightened and it's usually a place to solve all the issues.
So it was It was okay, but like I said,
it could have been better. We did get a lot
of that snow white content.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
For a lot of snow Hey, the mirror mirror thing
worked better than I thought. I was thinking that, like, oh,
this is cheesy, but then when we got the clip
of Rose and Grant, that was worth it. And then
it was funny to see some behind the scenes info.
The bloopers were really good this season. Good bloopers were
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and it just again as bloopers always do, made me
feel like they need to keep some of that lightheartedness
into the show. Like Carolina said, do you want to
make me want to make out with me intensely? And
then let me smell your armpit?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Wait? Why do you like smelling armpits?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It was a little creepy, but I actually do want
to see snow White, and I think a lot of
people do, so I'm glad that they're promoting a movie
that is approved, and they also approved. They also talked
about mom talk, which is what you guys said too.
The Secret Life of Mormon Wife season two taking over
The Bachelor at timeslot. They announced the premiere of that
show for May.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Fifteenth, and it's a Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It's a Monday, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Interesting, alrighty well, thank you for recapping this with me,
and you're going to stick around for headlines this week
and they are jush all right, see you guys, Ben,
Let's do it. Bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Today. I
am joined by Zachary Reality. He's gonna be filling in
for Ben and it's a great episode. Zach for you
to be joining us, because you had inside tea about
women Tell All. You came on our show last week
to give us some of the drama you were experiencing
(00:26):
with Carolina about women Tell All, so you probably have
more insight than anyone into this, besides the girls that,
of course were there.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I will say that I had a thank you for
having me back. I had a few friends over last night.
When she walked off the stage. We all screamed because
I did not I wanted her to walk off the
stage because you know, she told me she was going
to So if they edited that out, I would have
looked like a liar.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So I was glad that they at least showed it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I also was glad and interested that they didn't
show the backstage of her. You know, she said the
cameras followed her. I guess they decided not to air that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, So if you guys didn't turn into our show
last week, tune into our show. Last week, basically, Zach
and Carolina had a little digital feud going on because
he aired that somebody went backstage at cameras followed and
that it was going to be a dramatic woman till
all moment. Well, it actually turned out to be on TV,
(01:21):
not very dramatic. She was shown walking off. They don't
show what happened actually backstage, and Jesse just said she
needed a moment. It was really no big deal.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, basically that's what happened, and we're all good. Now
we started texting again and water under the bridge, and
like I said, you know, I'm not her biggest worry.
You know, there was some other girls, so she should
be more worried about. So I wasn't her only social
media drama last week.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm assuming, though, that you're going to be too scared
to give any of her gossip out to the world.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, there's just no point. I'm not going to try
for her again or go back and forth. Luckily, you know,
since outing that I've talked to her other girls, I've
reached forward, and I've gotten some new gossip that I
can share anonymously.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
So oh yeah, give it us.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I was just telling your well, I was just telling
your producer backstage that they are looking for the next
Golden Bachelor, because you know this, They're looking for a
fresh guy.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A fresh guy interesting, Okay, Yeah, I know somebody who's
getting relatively further in the casting as one of the women.
So I'm not surprised that it's happening, but I'm interested
to know why they're choosing a fresh guy. I think
it's because Mark is taken and so is oh my gosh,
what was his.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Name, Jonathan? But Jonathan broke up with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Jonathan broke up with his girlfriend, why wouldn't they choose him.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think they're really looking for a fresh new face,
like somebody from anywhere. So if anyone here is listening
and you know, wants to nominate their dad or their grandpa,
go to Golden Bachelor casting dot com.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
They are really looking for their main guy.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
There's like two weeks left and opposedly will film in July,
and they already have like thirty thousand women ready to go,
So they really are just looking for the right guy.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So I don't know if you know anyone, Ashley.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't. I don't because I would be setting them up.
But I do have a great woman for the cast. Now,
Bachelor in Paradise does seem to be a go. Ben
and I were speculating yesterday that it seemed to be
not as sure of a thing as we thought, but
maybe we just heard from we heard that there was
more of a standstill than to be expected for a
(03:43):
show that they've like put little teasers out for already,
and in the Women Tell All, Jesse really makes it
seem like in two weeks we're gonna have some we're
gonna have updates about Paradise. I think that's gonna be
the change of location, and I think that is going
to be the fact that they're adding Goldens to the show.
(04:05):
Just my guess, what have you heard about that?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I also think they could announce some cast. I mean,
they've already announced Jonathan Hakkem. I don't know if they'll
announce everybody. I don't know if they need to, but
I think they'll announce potentially an air date or at
least a timeframe, which I think could be September right
or maybe earlier.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I think it'll be back to being a summer show.
I believe that they are filming in May this year,
and that probably I heard May as well. Okay, yeah,
so I think they'll be done editing by August. I
think they know it does better as a summer show
and they can keep at least a little bit of
semblance of normalcy for their year round schedule. Okay, So
(04:48):
any any speculation about the Goldens being in Paradise.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, that's what I heard too, that like they could
potentially be there and have their own type of yeah
side show. I think that's I think it's dumb. I
don't want two shows on one show. I mean, I
don't think that works. So I think they need to
either commit to a Golden Paradise separate show and then
maybe even to like four episodes if they want, like
they did on Winter Games. They don't need to commit
(05:11):
to a whole season. But I don't think they should
mix them.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, all right, let's get back to the main show
for a second. Carolina is start. She starts out the
show by showing off a jacket that has quotes on
it from the Carolina Show.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Show.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Jesse says, it's a bold choice. What do you think? Yeah,
this is bold. She's telling everyone basically that she had
more airtime than anyone else, which is accurate by a lot, right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But it's not necessarily something you want to brag about.
It seems a little petty and low, but I mean,
I do think she kind of held her own during
the into all, a lot of the girls were coming
at her, and she kind of helps her own with
some receipts and some facts, and I didn't think she
was as ganged up on as maybe it seemed.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm sure a lot was cut on the editing room floor.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, she obviously was upset. It was a lot of
hat rehashing of the exact same stuff we didn't get anywhere. Really,
you either don't think Caroline is that bad or you're
like one of the girls and you think that she's annoying.
As heck, I can understand living with her would be annoying.
I still am on her team, though. When we talk
(06:19):
about the whole Rose situation, that is a weird thing
to say to someone, and it's a weird thing to
not address. So of course she goes and addresses it,
and that was the beginning of the real the Carolina Show.
I still think it was valid, and I still think
that was valid, and we get the answer. We see
(06:40):
the clip in This Woman Until All. It's one of
the most pivotal moments in the show. We see that
Grant did say to Rose something along the lines of
during this dancing date today, I was thinking of you.
He'd never mentioned when dancing with Carolina, I was thinking
of you whole huge.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Difference, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I think it kind of clears things up, it understand
I understand why Carolina was a little triggered by what
she heard, and Rose kind of admits to maybe like
getting it wrong a little bit. So I'm glad that
they were able to clarify what was actually said. But
it doesn't seem like we got resolution between Carolina and Rose.
Like it doesn't seem like they made up or are
going to be friends. So maybe we'll get more of
(07:24):
that on their beef in Paradise if they both end
up being there.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I still think it was a bold choice of
Rose to make make comment about any of that to Carolina.
Super weird. But you know, we understand that Carolina definitely
has her flaws. I don't deny that she was. She
was a big source of drama in the house, even
with things we probably didn't see now, Dina says another,
(07:49):
she says something bold. She says, if it weren't for me,
like I got you a whole other week here. And
I don't think she's wrong. She was the one that
stuck up for her that week in Madrid.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But don't you think that's a wild things to say,
that Dina has that much control over like a Rose.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
If it weren't for Dina standing up for do you
think that she would have? Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying. That is something that I
probably wouldn't choose to say, But in a moment of
drama on a TV show with lights in my face
and cameras, it could come out of my mouth. I
wouldn't be totally surprised. But you're right. In real life,
(08:31):
I would never say that to somebody, but on a
reality show, like, I'm not surprised that it came out
of her mouth.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It seems like a little like crazy that Dina would
have that much power. But maybe Dina like sticking up
for Carolina and like making up with her because they
made up that Rose ceremony, they like hugged upstairs, Like
maybe that like told the producers like, hey, like we
can resolve things with her, Let's keep her longer, because
if she was so shunned from the house, then the
storyline would have played out and maybe the producers would
have been like, all right, you're not aunt's choice, let's
(09:00):
just you can go.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So maybe Dina met.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
No that hug happened right before Carolina was eliminated. She
didn't get through that week. It was the week before
when ca when Dina was like, you guys, like she's
a very sweet soul. She's a sweet soul and like
I'm thinking about her through all of this. That's the
week she said she got her through.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like, well maybe she she definitely supported her and had
her back, you know. So I think Dina did come
in with some receipts that like she was her friend
and she felt kind of like cross the second, like
something happens between them.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Another thing that Dina did was she posted a TikTok
that said, like, when you defend the one person, nobody
else would just to get played, just to get played.
The next week, so Dina was teasing the up coming
episode where she and Carolina actually had at it. And
this is one of the first times that we see
(10:06):
Bachelor The Bachelor using Instagram content, TikTok, social media content
to create drama on the show, to perpetuate a storyline.
I like it. Let's continue doing this. But again, that
was a bold choice of Dina. I could see why
Carolina would have been upset by that. But at the
(10:29):
same time, she isn't saying much. She's not really throwing Shane.
It is exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Well, wasn't that the same thing that happened to me
last week with my Twitter I wasn't trying to throw Shane.
I was trying to like seize the show. The same
thing happened with Dina's you know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, And then what happens as you allude to Carolina
decides to just screenshot their text messages and put them
out there. Like, Carolina, you can't do this. No one's what.
You can't do this. Every time somebody annoys you a
little bit with a social media comment, you're gonna just
(11:06):
you know, to grow our private text messages.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I mean, at least she's consistent.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So now people know, do not play with Carolina, don't
trigger her, don't pope, don't you know, press her. But
she don't text her. She you got to call her
or FaceTime hers. I sent her voice notes. Actually, you
cannot be texting her because if you do something wrong,
she will post your text.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
She's done it to multiple people.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's hilarious. This episode did make me like Diana even more.
I do feel like she should have been the Bachelorette
if we were going to pull one from this season.
She is so unapologetically and genuinely type A. It's hilarious
between her laundry and there was some other moment where
I was like, this girl is just no shame in
(11:51):
her type A game. You you what it was? Your
take on her glasses. I thought she looks stunning in them.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, going to say like Bold's choice for her glasses,
because I feel like she was getting a lot of
flak online. People were just saying that she looks different now.
So I don't know if she dyed her hair, if
something's different in her makeup routine, or just the glasses,
But a lot of people have been commenting on her appearance,
and I think she looks really smart, looks like the
attorney that she is.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
She's well spoken, and.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I feel like she she's probably you know, went back
and forth with Carolina a little too much, like maybe
she shouldn't have, you know, been a little feet. It
fed into Carolina as much as she did, but I
feel like at least she got her point across and
hopefully she's able to move forward after this woman. Until all,
even though the two of them probably won't be friends,
maybe we'll see both of them in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Dina's going to go into this friendship with like gard
On for sure, like a bullet proof vest. She's not
gonna trust anything anymore. But Dina her makeup routine. In
her look, she looked so good. She looked softer. I
liked the curls and her There's something softer about her face.
(13:00):
I loved it. I want to see more of this
Dina look. The other big thing to come out of
this show was that she says, my family was actually
torn on meeting you, and I made the final decision
not to have them meet you because I didn't want
it to be like an internal family conflict. Jesse asked
(13:23):
Well that she regrets it, and she said, yeah, sometimes
a little bit, and yeah, it made me think. I'm
not sure. I think that I would, just knowing myself,
if my family was internally conflicted about it. I would
think that it was probably something that they could get
over that like, once they did it, they would be
happy that they did it, so we would just go
(13:43):
forward with it. Dina said that she didn't know it
was going to be as big of a deal. She
wishes that she would go back and be like, hey, like,
what does this mean to you? Like this this is
really concern you. What was your take on all this?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And it definitely seems like Grant was going to send
her home regardless, So I don't think it was to
make one like clearly he's falling in love, like he said,
you know, to Letia and Juliana at their hometowns. So
I think that it's sad that Dina like let that
eat herself up. It sounds like she didn't give herself
her family enough prep time, Like maybe she didn't think
she was going to make it too hometowns, and when
(14:22):
she found that she was going there was really was
only a few days to scramble. So it kind of
sucks that, like her family was divided over it, and
that they she made the joint decision to step in
and be like everyone stop fighting. Nobody's coming. So that's
kind of how it seemed like it went down. I
wish she was able to bring a couple of her
siblings since she has ten so many. But ultimately, like
when she explained it, it does make sense, you know
(14:43):
why she didn't want to take that gamble when there
was when it was causing such a divide in her family.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, like, no judgment. I just said what I would
have probably done. But I have no idea how a
family of eleven children navigate issues like this. You know,
it's just me and my sister eleven children. So it's
like if you were to say, like, hey, half my siblings,
can you come just like be down to do this,
I don't know. Does that divide the family? Does that
(15:10):
like really piss them the other side off? I understand
why she made the choice that she did, and yeah,
I don't think it ultimately made any difference.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
They're a tight family unit.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It seems like, yeah, it's it's cool to be that
close when you have eleven siblings.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yes, so it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I think that, you know, I still think she's gonna
go to Paradise and hopefully find love and luckily her
family won't have to be involved in that, and it
makes sense like she chose to go on TV, her
family didn't, so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And I do agree with you. I think that time
was a big factor. It's hard to be able to
get everybody on one page when you have like five days,
not even five days, to decide what to do exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So she she still held her own and you know,
she had to get that cry out when she saw
Grant to get that closure, but it seems like she got.
And now I'm trying to think about who I want
to ship her with for Bachelor in Paradise because I
definitely think she'll be there. I mean, there's only a
few girls this season. I think we'll definitely be there,
and I think we'll see her. I think we'll see Carolina.
I think we'll see Rose and maybe even Chloe in
(16:16):
Alex and Alex.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
If Alex is down to do it. For some reason,
Alex feels like she might not be a Paradise girly right, but.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hopefully she's Sina. She got a lot of airtime last night.
She had like a whole hot seat.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, that was interesting. We didn't get much out of that.
We got that her mom wants to be on the
Golden which is probably why she got it, because they're
probably putting her on the Golden Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I did see a lot of comments online that there
wasn't a lot of room for talk between the girls.
They really focused in on a lot of these hot
seats for a while. And Carolina that a lot of
the other girls who are like you could call them
the extras if they went home early. They really didn't.
We didn't hear them speak at all, Like they didn't
even get like one question.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's true. And you know what's also really weird is
that they had Beverly there and then they didn't have
her say anything about her appendectomy? Right, what Why have
her there and not talk about why she had a
dramatic early exit.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Must have got cut.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It probably probably got cut. Yes, now it's the big
teas for the finale. What is your take on Grant's
(17:34):
facial expressions. I feel like this is not going to
end well for him.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, his body language looked a little exhausted and a
little upset, which is normal to see with some bachelors
after a long season. They could be wearing the exhaustion.
But he also should be excited that it's almost over.
So I think that he might be anticipating some backlash
in these next couple of weeks when we see what
goes down at the finale, and I think he's probably
(18:00):
wearing that and getting nervous for the fans to see
what really went down.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
He certainly hasn't gotten backlash yet.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
No, he's gotten a very clean edit. Yeah, it's very
just cookie cutter. I mean, he hasn't made much of
an impression on me, so it's not I'm not like
I don't love him, I don't not like him, like
he's kind of just.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah. The girls have definitely led the season as a
lot of times they say they do. Okay, Well, what's
your final prediction? Seeing the scenes for the next couple episodes,
I think that it's intense to see him say I
love you to Letia, and if he doesn't pick her
after the I love you, I love you, that's always
that's always dramatic.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
One'm gland to know that there's two weeks. I originally
thought next week was going to be the finale. Yeah,
so I would have been like, wow, that would have
gone fast. So next week I think should be interesting.
I think just the whole Fantasy Suites aspect adds a
different layer because did you know that Grant was celibate?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
This came out last.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Week, but tell us everything.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, he's been celibate for a year going into the Bachelor.
He was in a seven year long relationship before he
was on gen season, so he was really trying to
be intentional with having sex. So he opened up about
it on The Bile Files last week about how he
was celibate going into the Bachelor's So I really think
that that should come up during this week's Fantasy Suites
(19:25):
because they're already trying to make this storyline about Letia
not wanting to sleep with him because she's Mormon, but
now it seems like she's not gonna have to worry
about that anyway because he won't be sleeping with anyone.
So that will that potentially could make a lot less
drama on the Fantasy Suites than what we're used to
or what we were hoping for.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Wow, that does change things. That does make things easier
for her, assuming all assumptions, but yes.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Assuming yeah, So I wonder how they'll have those conversations
and how they'll navigate those conversations. I think we're all
on agreement that we think Zobe's probably going to go
home next week at the the final three. So I
would be interested to see just how she goes home.
Is she is it a mutual decision, does she walk
herself out? Is she gonna cry and be really heartbroken
about it, or is she gonna just you know, shrug
(20:11):
her shoulder and move on. I think her exit is
what's keeping me interested.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, she is. They definitely voiced over the whole, like
I could see myself engaged to this woman. That's definitely
not about Dewey in my opinion, that's to throw us
with it up. Yeah, No, okay, Well, Zach, is there
anything else that we've missed that was really dramatic during
Women to all?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
It was a little lackluster.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Anything that, you know that to spice it up?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I know, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, I think what we got and I did
watch some interviews, is there really wasn't resolution. Like I said,
it's with Carolina and some of the girls, like usually
you'll see like a hug or like something at the end,
and we didn't get any of that. So I think
we can expect some of that drama to carry over
in Paradise. I also did notice that a lot of
people giving Jesse Palmer a hard time last night, and
I kind of agreed. It seemed like he didn't know
(21:04):
when to step in when the girls were fighting, and
he wasn't good at guiding any resolution or just conversation.
So I think we have to give him a little
bit of flak for last night, at least the way
it was shown.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I just didn't think he did much as a host.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Okay, respect I did see a comment that was like,
Dina is actually hosting this thing.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Right exactly. There was just like a lot of screaming.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I felt like I would didn't get to hear from
all the girls, So this was probably more of a letdown,
I would say, out of all the tell.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Alls, I just feel like tell alls need to be reevaluated.
Ben and I you like, tell All's you told us
last week that you were really excited about this. I
get so angry when they're like and next week women
tell All, I'm like, no.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Gary radis sweet.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I just don't feel like I need it, especially in
a season that is already two episodes shorter than the
norm Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, it definitely is a little bit shorter. Huh yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I like tell all just because it's like the drama's
heightened and it's usually a place to solve all the issues.
So it was It was okay, but like I said,
it could have been better. We did get a lot
of that snow white content.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
For a lot of snow Hey, the mirror mirror thing
worked better than I thought. I was thinking that, like, oh,
this is cheesy, but then when we got the clip
of Rose and Grant, that was worth it. And then
it was funny to see some behind the scenes info.
The bloopers were really good this season. Good bloopers were
(22:35):
and it just again as bloopers always do, made me
feel like they need to keep some of that lightheartedness
into the show. Like Carolina said, do you want to
make me want to make out with me intensely? And
then let me smell your armpit?
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Wait? Why do you like smelling armpits?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It was a little creepy, but I actually do want
to see snow White, and I think a lot of
people do, so I'm glad that they're promoting a movie
that is approved, and they also approved. They also talked
about mom talk, which is what you guys said too.
The Secret Life of Mormon Wife season two taking over
The Bachelor at timeslot. They announced the premiere of that
show for May.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Fifteenth, and it's a Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
It's a Monday, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Interesting, alrighty well, thank you for recapping this with me,
and you're going to stick around for headlines this week
and they are jush all right, see you guys, Ben,
Let's do it. Bye.
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