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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.
Week four of Matt's season is here, and I gotta say, um,
the least impressive episode so far, Ben, how do you
feel about it? Except for you? Ben, you were the

(00:23):
only one. You were the only shining moment that my
eyes were glued to the TV for. You have to
say that because you're my co host. I do have
to say that. But it was so nice to see
your face. You looked great. Thank you asked, well, Hey,
I agree with you overall. Uh this before we get
into the breakdown in the rest of the episode. This time,

(00:43):
I'm going to describe this episode. Really, this season so
far overly dramatic, not enough stories worth following. Because every
story we start to pick up on and start to
hear and I start to get intrigued by, they disappear
for weeks, like Abigails, Like where's Abigail been? Like it's
it's just frustrating. So we're gonna break it down here

(01:06):
over the episode. It's gonna be a good podcast because
we have a lot of hot like hot headlines to
talk about. We also we'll talk about this episode a
little behind the scenes that I got to see. Uh.
But we also have a few friends that will be
joining us helping us break down this episode. Yes, that's right,
Katie Morton is here. Hey Katie, Hey guys, thank you.

(01:29):
What did you overall think of the episode? Uh? Gosh,
I do agree with Ben. I'm like, wait, I'm not following,
and then all of a sudden, new people. I was
already not able to follow a story. Where's Abigail She's
been hiding? I agree with that. I did think the
episode was like it felt like it was going to

(01:51):
get good two times, Like I felt like I was
getting somewhere, and then all of a sudden put itself off. Yeah,
you're not wrong, I I would agree with you. Well,
we do have Katie Morton on to break down the
episode and catch up on her life. Also, we're gonna
keep Katie around, uh to talk about some of the
recent splits in Bachelor Nation. Uh. You know, Katie is
familiar with the public breakup coming from the show. Any

(02:14):
advice that she has for these couples. But before we do, Ashley,
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(02:36):
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(02:59):
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There's gonna be more information coming out very soon about
this event, so tune in. But Ashley and I really
want to see you there. We definitely definitely do. Alright, Well, guys,
it should we start from the very beginning. Do you
like the way that this season is starting out with

(03:21):
like the juiciest clip up front and then they go
into the episode or do you think that it's like
a little bit hyper dramatic. Yes, I do believe it's
a bit hyper dramatic. It's like, then the episode just
like a little bit want long because I feel like
there should be a level raise and then there's not. Yeah,
so there's like no climax to the drama because you

(03:42):
already see the best part up front. Yes, exactly, you know, Ashley,
It's I've never even thought about that, but it's true.
I don't know if I'm used to watching a show
where the climatic part is at the very beginning, um,
because then it goes into like the peaceful music and
the peaceful scene of the scenery, and you're like, okay,
well the whole episode you're kind of anxious for that

(04:03):
one scene and you kind of I mean, I feel
like I miss than what's going on in front of
me the rest of the time. The other part is
we're usually uh like used to just the cliffhanger at
the end. Now we're kind of getting in the cliffhanger
at the beginning in the end, yeah, which is hard
to follow. I don't know, it's hard for me to follow.
It's like it's like when you used to write an

(04:24):
English paper and it made you do like who sentences
like the grabber and then the rest of your paper
you just kind of be yes. The scene that I'm
referring to is Victoria and Anna, who are now seemingly besties,
which is no surprise to me since Anna is gets
so high on the drama. They're sitting together and then

(04:47):
Anna says, I heard that she is an escort or
entertaining men for pay, and it was a great grab. Okay,
they got my attention. Um, But then you watch the
episode and you see that Anna is kind of like,
am I misinterpreting? Making this up out of her ass?
Like she's just pulling this, she just has okay, hold on.

(05:11):
So there was this girl, the girl what's her name?
The one that comes in is the model from Chicago.
She's one of the new arrivals. And what's her name?
Is it Brittany? Brittany? Yes? So first she walks in
and then Anna's like, oh, I'm like, I think she
looks familiar, Like I think I may know her. And

(05:31):
then all of a sudden, a few scenes later, she
like remembers that she heard rumors about her being an
escort in Chicago. This is like she just made it
up out of thin air. In my opinion. I mean,
and not only remember people were coming to her coming
to her. I know it's and it's also just like

(05:55):
it's kind of the it's not unexpected for the season though, right,
And I feel like every episode, and I said this
last week, but I feel like every episode has these
moments where in order for us to talk about on
this show, we're gonna have to be critical of the contestants,
which usually isn't how the seasons go. Usually like have
our favorites and are people that were not favorites of

(06:16):
But like, this kind of stuff just makes us be
critical of the Annas and Victoria's, which doesn't make it
fun to watch because it just makes me feel dirty
watching it. I don't know if you guys are that way,
but it's like it's so mean and it's so like
unneeded that it's not even enjoyable. Like I'm not intrigued

(06:36):
by the bullying. In fact, like I'm turned off by it,
and I would I pretty much just want to turn
off my TV. I totally agree. I think I said
this to a few people. I was like, there's sometimes
when people are highly obnoxious for TV purposes, and you know,
they just want to get their name out there, which
is what I thought Victoria was going to be. But

(06:57):
at this point, like to take uh ash, please vocab
on it, like they're getting high off of being mean,
and it's it's truly, it's disgusting to me because I
just I've never really seen girls be that. Like, Okay,
there was a scene where they were all in the room,
and I'm sure there's some cuts and things, but at

(07:20):
one point when there is a reference to the bullying
and you see them like saying mean things and then
maniacally like laughing about it, it's really Yeah, it's just
really hurtful. It's like true to to the core, like me,
that's a mean girl. And we see that in the

(07:42):
second scene as well, when they are still trying to
get on Sarah and Katie's like, you guys, can you
please stop, Like She's gone, let's stop harping on this.
She seems to be the only one with any sort
of empathy right now. There's a few girls like Rachel
who definitely stay out of the drama and which I respect,
but Katie is the one being vocal about it. Yeah,

(08:02):
and it's Katie's really refreshing. Although I have to say,
like in the very beginning I did, I didn't wish
the best for Katie because I was like, no, not
another Katie. What like, no, you can't take my cant
you can't take my shot. I get it. I haven't
had another Ashley, and I'm glad about it. Yeah, exactly, Ashley.

(08:23):
You wouldn't like it. I was like, no, Katie will
think she's gonna go far. I don't, now, you know what,
I'm happy because Katie actually is taking the Katie name
and like taking it to a good standard. I'm loving
Katie this season. I feel like even when she approached
I don't know if we're gonna be that far, but
like taking it to the second scene when she approaches Matt,

(08:43):
it's not like a whiny approach. It's not a it's
not like a tattletale. Straight up, you've got to do
this because the stuff that's going on in there is wrong,
and I expect you to do this pretty much well.
And you know, the thing is, the mean part of
this isn't even the fact that they're claiming that she
is a sex worker. Like you know, in in this

(09:05):
day and age, like I think we've all placed labels
on people, and that that part isn't even the mean part, right.
The mean part is they're making up rumors in general
about contestants, like let's not even criticize like what they're
saying she does for a living, which is her business,
and that like none of us have a place in
saying if it's mean or not or wrong or not

(09:27):
what is wrong here? And I think this is it
is like they're just making up rumors about people, labeling
people and trying to shame people for stuff that like
they might not even have any part in. They've done
it since the beginning. And I mean here and and
so I gotta put myself in matt shoes, so Matt siny.

(09:48):
They're not seeing any of this happened. Everybody always asked,
how can you keep Victoria a round? He doesn't know
any of this is going on. It's just now I'm
gonna start coming to the surface. He's gonna start learning
about it. But when this starts happening and he starts
being told about this stuff, you know how confused he's
gonna be because he's gonna be hearing lies, manipulation, bullying,
and he's got at the process at all. If I
would saying, I would just say I'm cutting it. Who's

(10:09):
been a part of this? Who hasn't? Katie, you're my
voice of reason. Tell me who should go and who
should stay, because she's the only one at this point
that's standing up for the other women. And it is
so refreshing to see because, like you said, she's not
doing it as a look at me, I'm going to
be the savior. She's doing it as a like, can
you just stop? Because this is exhausting, Like it's not

(10:31):
fun to live in. Yeah, And how great was it
when she did sit down with Victoria towards the beginning
of the episode and Victoria's like demanding an apology and
she's like, you're I'm not going to apologize to you.
And then Victoria said something that made me actually laugh
out loud. She goes if she says, she goes, if
being mean, if me name calling is expressing myself, that

(10:55):
I'm fine with name calling. She's name calling is a
way of expressing myself. Oh my lord. I literally was like,
that's so cringe. That's not that's not the way to
hate that rolls on social media field. They're like, telling
is my my form of self expression like what the

(11:15):
hell people think that way? That's terrifying. It was wacky.
And then Victorious like you know, basically like threatening her
and saying, if you try to shut me down, um,
like I probably wouldn't do that, And it just I
love the way that Katie really did put Victoria in
her place in that conversation, to the point that Victoria
didn't have comebacks at moments she almost looked like she

(11:39):
was going to cry in my opinion, like I was like, oh,
I feel like Victoria is so uncomfortable in this moment
because she usually doesn't have people stand up to her
that she looks like she's about to crack. Yeah, it
was amazing. So meanwhile, while they were having that conversation,
the other girls were on the first group day of
the episode, which was extremely uneventful. There was just a
nighttime portion. Thinks some stuff was cut out there. Um,

(12:03):
Chelsea gets the rose. And I did like the conversation
that he had with Chelsea. She definitely seemed deserving of
the rose. For me, she's talking about her hair and
the meeting behind that. Like, I really liked that conversation
because it is very relatable for me as well. And
I felt like that was really real. I've actually never

(12:25):
seen anyone have that particular conversation on any of these shows,
which is so it's so refreshing, M just because a
lot of people struggle with that. I think I actually
recently just posted about hair and we hold so much
of our identity and our hair. Ah, that's it was

(12:45):
nice to have that conversation. So I totally think she
was deserving of the rose. I didn't want it for
anybody else. M. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean it is.
It's always in this season We've had a couple of
notatious season we had a few, and every season we
have a few, but like those are the conversation is
where I watch this and I learned and and I
don't know, like maybe maybe I'm not the kind of
fan that watches the show, but the conversation with Chelsea

(13:09):
was so much more interesting and so much more engaging
for me as a viewer than any of the stuff
that was happening before this on the episode with the
name calling and the bowling, Like, I don't I could
have skipped over all that and started with Chelsea and
been super happy with this episode. Ben, you took the
words out of my mouth. I was just gonna say
that was the most engaging part of the episode for me.

(13:30):
It was when are we going to see Chelsea again?
As my question? Good point, it's a good question, we
I mean, because we haven't so far this season, and
we have these stories that we love to hear, right,
we have the Breeze, we have the Abigails, we have
the Rachel's that have like came and gone at times. Uh,
and now we have the Chelseas. I mean, we have
this Maggie girl who's beautiful, who everybody loves, and we're like,

(13:52):
when are we going to see these people? Because right
now we don't see them and we're getting pretty far
along in this season, Like I was thinking this would
be the week that we started to switch away from
drama more into the love and in the opposite way
because of the new girls. Yeah, and I have to say,
but it's so far, like the drama has been entertaining

(14:14):
to me. It's been fun, and I actually thought it
was gonna be fun this week again for the audience
to see these new girls come in and to see
like their reactions. But I guess, like I just got
really annoyed with the fact that the girls ended up
blaming the girls coming in as being the problem. It's like, no, like,

(14:34):
we don't the girls didn't decide to come in this
at this point, like this is a show, Like this
is a show decision to bring the girls in at
this point. You can get mad at the girls for
coming in. It's only they were like, it's time to
leave my quarantine room now. Well, actually, question for you,
because you've been there on set, do you think like

(14:55):
when did these girls come to the show. Were they
quarantining the whole time? Have they been in a room?
Did they come a week early? Like do you have
any idea? I don't know. I was thinking about it
when Victoria said you guys were alternates and then you
just stuck around. How does it feel to be an alternate?
And the truth of the matter is there are always

(15:17):
alternates that stay that week and you don't know, I
don't know. We need to get an alternate on here,
because right because apparently these people do the quarantine and
as you guys know because we talked about it many times,
you're basically quarantine, even if COVID is not a thing.
Um for a couple of days before filming, so she said, like,

(15:38):
you guys alternates, And I don't think that they were.
I think that they were probably sent in a week
or so into filming and then they quarantined for that
week and then they came in. But I mean, I
guess it's a possibility that they've been around that long,
but that would be horrendous. I feel like they almost
didn't like Paradise style. I don't know if Paradise pared.
I saw where they were like bringing them, bring in

(16:00):
the dancing lobsters, you know, like bringing the new girls
from Paradise because this is the kind of Paradise trauma
we need in the new season. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
I don't like the way, let's talk about the entrances
for a second, the new entrances. I did not like
the way that Britney came in and kissed him right
off the bat. And I don't think that he liked
that either. Yeah, but didn't that happen on his first

(16:23):
night with all the other girls, and it kind of
seemed like he liked it, Like on the first night
with the other girls, somebody did that and he wasn't
against it, right, Yeah, But I think now when he's like, Oh,
I have other relationships and I have actual feelings for
girls back at the house that I don't I don't
want this, like this is an all fun and games,
like we're not on equal levels right now. I felt
the vibe that he didn't like it, like he might

(16:45):
have liked it earlier. Yeah, I agree, I feel like
it might have been cool earlier. But I also feel
like she gave off like that really confident vibe that
might have been like her vibe to me was the
turnoff part. But like I feel like there's a way
to do it, and there's a way not too and
I feel like it almost like wasn't clicking well. And

(17:07):
also like Matt is at this point super thrown off,
so like you know, and maybe shouldn't really it was
just like yeah, like I mean, his whole world has
been switched upside down. He's already having trouble with this thing.
You're already starting to see Matt like start to get
emotional and start to have a really hard time, and
then all of a sudden, he's told in a matter
of ten minutes, there's more girls showing up and he's

(17:29):
probably like super shocked, which isn't Britney's fault, Like it's
not her problem that he's shocked, but it's also like
just the being aware of the situation going, Matt, I
know this is probably weird for you, So like let's
just ease into this together, like that's the way to
do it. But like by making it even more hard
on him, it wasn't a great move. I don't even

(17:53):
think he really wanted new girls. He seems pretty happy
in his decision. Harder than it already was was a
little bit much, except for yeah, obviously I feel like
he likes one of the new calls. So yeah, anyway,
right Michelle, I would say that, like after meeting Michelle
and going on the date with Michelle, he's actually really

(18:14):
happy she showed up. And I'm gonna put her really
far in my my list of who I think is
going to get far. I think she's gonna be at
least top five. It's interesting. Well, I know the Michelle
date comes later in the episode, So hey, how about this,
let's take a break. When we come back, we're gonna
talk about Michelle. We're gonna talk about the group dates,
we're gonna talk more about these new girls coming in,

(18:34):
but before we do, we gotta take a little breather.
This is the almost famous podcast. Okay, let's some introduce
the girl. The five girls that came out. So it
was Brittany, the one who kissed him, the model from Chicago.

(18:55):
Then there was Michelle, she's a teacher from Minnesota. There's Ryan,
she is a dancer and choreographer from Brooklyn, Kimberly who
was an ICU nurse, um from Los Angeles. And Catalina
and she's a former Miss Puerto Rico US Universe. So

(19:15):
who sticks around? Brittany, Michelle, Catalina, Did Ryan stick around? Yeah?
Ryan stick around? Okay, okay, so um none of them
made So I think that the two girls that are
really going to stick around in the storyline is going
to be Brittany and Michelle. You know who was a

(19:35):
shocker for me at the end of at the at
the Rose ceremony. Who got eliminated was Kayla. We both
was gonna get far. Kayla had you know, the entrance
with the truck in the back, the back seat of
the truck. She's had a lot of screen time early on,
and she was gone. I mean, I think Katie, I

(19:57):
don't know how you feel about this. But I know, actually,
and I've talked about this, we thought Kayla was going
to go really far, Like again, what happened there? That's
my big question, Like why don't we know what happened
to Kayla because all of a sudden she's at the peak,
were like, she's one of our favorites, and then she's yeah,
I don't know what's up with the inconsistency of the storylines,

(20:22):
Like it's just exactly what you said at the beginning,
over and over and over. We're seeing glimpses of people,
which is why I'm so confused as to why they
brought in more girls, because it's like we can't get
the edits enough to get attached to one. I thought
I'd be really attached to Abigail and her second I
forgot she said like every single was like, oh, shoot,

(20:45):
you're still here. I really liked you in the beginning.
I was so excited. It's like, we need more days,
we need more days of footage because too much is
happening apparently over there for them to give us the
good hours earth of conversations. Yeah, I'm with you, all right. Well,
now we move on to Ben's group date Ben, you

(21:09):
lead the the Love in Fall Obstacle Course, Fall in Love,
Fall in Love Obstacle Course. Um. We didn't get to
know much about the girls through this game, you know,
it's one of those activities that you don't really get
to know a lot about their personality. Did you get

(21:31):
to learn about their personalities while being there through this game? Uh?
Well I got to know about them more from talking
to Matt. Uh. And so my sit now with Matt
was where I really got to hear I mean we
were together for a long time uh that day and
uh and chatted through like I think we went through
every girl that was still left, talked about the girls

(21:53):
that came on, like how would we navigate that? It
was a great like just time with him. Um my hope,
my like, my hope during that conversation was to try
to get myself to a place where I could be
so normal that he would feel normal. So we could
just chat and like catch up a bit, because I mean,
you I knew a lot of it wouldn't be shown,
and so it's like let's just hang out where where
you're at? How are you doing? So I got to

(22:14):
hear about a lot of the girls. Um. I got
to also hear about Sarah kind of going home and
how hard that was for him. And then we did
the group day UH and I got to see their
personalities a little bit. But here was the problem. It
was a distant group day. It was chaotic uh and
there's a lot of cheating that went on, like they
were they were like stations being skipped, things being skipped,

(22:35):
and it was so many girls that it was hard
to watch and figure out. I will say that the
best personality shined, like the Abigails really shine, because she
was kind and courteous and like, you know, when I
was like talking and explained the date, she was like, oh,
that sounds like awesome and like making me feel better
about it. The other one is Maggie. I mean that's

(22:56):
probably what I'm a Maggie fan is because you know,
she gets stuck in this pond and a pumpkin and
everybody's moving on to the race without her, and she's
just giggling and laughing and like trying. She's not giving up,
but she just can't figure it out. And like, to me,
that was just like a really sweet uh like thing
for her to be doing because I could tell them.

(23:17):
Matt thought it was funny, but I also found it
like endearing. That's interesting then, because I know that you
have been talking about Abigail and Maggie a lot over
the past couple episodes, So that's probably branching back from well,
not just the good stuff that we see on TV,
but just because you felt like connected to them in
real life, as I felt connected to Rachel in real life.
And I wonder if our vibes from them in real

(23:39):
life will transfer transfer thank you. Yeah, I mean I
think so. I hope so, like I hope because these
girls are really nice to me, right, I'm a newcomer.
Nobody wants me there, like they want to see Matt,
they love seeing Harrison, and like I'm nervous I show up.
I'm gonna tell talk him through the date and whatever.

(24:00):
And like those girls just stood out as being super sweet. No,
none of them were like mean to me directly, but
like some were harder to like keep on track, like
and not keep cheating and skipping events because that's just
frustrating because here I am trying to get this thing
to be a fun date and when people start cheating,
it just gets too chaotic. I got frustrated. Um and

(24:21):
so those girls like they were just nice and they
that stood out to me who was cheating? I'm just
who was cheating? I feel like, I mean, I feel
like all of them were. I know Victoria was. We
knew Anna was because she said I stole Burtney's. Yeah,
so like yeah, so like you know, they they're admitting

(24:41):
to it. Like everybody felt like they were cheating. Um
and and it was like a big pile on. But
the uh, the the one that like was very clear
as Victorians, Like I couldn't keep I mean at that point,
I like looked around me afterwards, I was like, what's
up with that? Like she just like didn't want to
do anything I asked, like I was trying, and it
was just so hard to keep her on track. Okay,

(25:03):
remember how you I told you about Victoria. So you
guys Ben and I you asked us a couple of
months ago when the last time we actually saw each
other was and we had to lie. Um. We actually
saw each other over at Emicole and he got there
like a day or two before I left. I brought
I brought him whiskey because I was out of quarantine.

(25:24):
He was it Um and we also talked about the girls.
And when I said, man, there's this crazy girl named
Victoria who like started with me, he was like, you know,
he was like, oh, man, like I'll watch out for her,
and she ends up being on your date, Ben, And
then when you called me afterward and you're like, I

(25:46):
met that Victoria girl. She's wild. I don't know how
she could be real. Why did you say that? You
you couldn't believe she was real? As as I also felt, well,
one of them was because you had told me like, hey,
this girl was like was so hard on me, and
so I kind of had my eye out for um.
And then like, yeah, it was just like the part

(26:07):
where it's like, okay, guys, I'm trying here to put
on a date for you all. I'm gonna try my best,
and like some of them understood that and they went
along with it, and then like she didn't. And you know,
my date though, was different than yours, Like I didn't
have a lot of personal interactions, so like I didn't
get to see their personalities, but I was keeping an
extra I think I just had an extra eye on
her because of your experience, where I was like, what's

(26:28):
going on? Here like, I gotta figure this one out, gotcha? Gotcha?
All right? Well, the nighttime portion of that date, we
see Anna get time with Matt and there's not a
lot of substance there. She truly didn't even know what
to say. He was like, well, if you had five
more minutes with me, like what do you want to
talk about? And she was like um um. But meanwhile

(26:50):
Bertnie was looking at her out on the wings, and
then we see Anna and Victoria have a little pow
wow again because they love each other. Now, Anna is
strictly the drama at this point, because, first of all,
all that we've said tonight is like Anna couldn't even
talk to Matt, so so why why She's had plenty

(27:12):
ample of time to repair to talk to Matt And
all she's talked about is Brittany or talked with Victoria
or she cheated. First of all, we also talked about
how Anna didn't even know confirmed information on Brittany before
spreading a rumor. And then all of a sudden, she's
hiding acorns from Brittany when he's just trying to regular squirrel.

(27:35):
Now vendetta against Brittany. You can't stand her and she's
just making up those lives, Brittany, and then can't. That's
it's like, that's the thing when you put your energy
into some she's putting all her energy into the wrong
thing to the point where she couldn't put any energy

(27:55):
into the right thing. One other thing we have to
mention a conversation is that is the way that Anna
speaks when she says juicy things. She just looks like
she she has to have the delivery of the most
dramatic person ever, you know, with her mouth is like,

(28:16):
let's just say that she's getting paid to do things
with men. I can make fun of her their right.
I mean, I did notice. I did take new on
the delivery and I said, what's happening? It's like a comedy.
And then I did say to myself, like is this

(28:38):
real life? I'm not sure what am I watching at
the moment. It was it's definitely a show. We're definitely
watching a show. We came to watch something entertaining. It's entertaining,
all right, Well, but you both have been okay, so
you both have been on the Bachelor, Uh, in the house.
You've also all, you know, been surrounded by girls, and like,

(28:58):
is this common stuff, like, is this what goes on
in the house? Is all of this as you watch
this like completely new to you or you going, yeah,
I had moments of this during my season. I feel
like they were pulling it out of us in our season.
They were like, gosh, Darnett, we didn't get traumatic enough
girls Like I feel like Demi was the Victoria and

(29:20):
Demi that that would probably that's very fun sim yes,
it is um I. I. We literally there was one girl,
you know, we all just couldn't stand one girl. But
at the same time, it wasn't like we were a constant.
It wasn't like we were bullying her by any means.
We were just like, man, she's not fun to hang

(29:41):
around with. Yeah, so then you go your own way
and you do your own thing. That's pretty n Yeah.
So this this is all new, This is all new,
Like this is stuff that we don't see. I didn't
see it in my house, Like we never had like
one person that like we had people in the house
that were like, what's going on here, like, but they
would leave pretty quickly. This just seems to be lingering,

(30:02):
Like this thing is lingering on and on through episode
an episode and it's gonna be back next week. It's
just a lingering bowling that we need to stop on
this season because we gotta get more into Matt James
and the great Girls. Uh. We still have the last
part of the episode to break down. We're going to
do that with Katie involved. But again, before we do,

(30:23):
let's take a break. All right, So let's go into
the one on one of this episode. It's with Michelle,
she's a new girl. Of course, the girls can't stand
the fact that the new girl got time. Whatever. Whatever. Um,

(30:45):
they have a scavenger hunt. Man, this is like a
big activity date activity episode. Um. They go in the
hot air balloon, which was sweet because that's where they
had their first kiss, and I felt it they talked
about they talked a little bit about race in America. Um,
was there anything that you guys wanted to mention about that?

(31:06):
I think that and I'm sure as we don't usually
see all the conversations, I think that their conversation they
kept it important but light, which is what you want
to date. Like that conversation, it's hard to not go
really deep and it can get dark, and I feel
like they had a really good balance in that conversation. Yes,

(31:29):
I also like the way that she was talking about
how those situations play into her being a teacher and
her having conversations like that and having heart towards her students,
And it was totally relatable for him who was with
kids all the time. Because ABC food to right, I

(31:50):
think that I think that them bonding over kids was
going to be a big thing ever since they said
how many do you want? On account of three? And
they both said three and they both like, really, you
felt a spark there between that. It's, Uh, it's something
I've been telling all season. For me, it's very obvious
when Matt likes somebody. It's very obvious I think when

(32:10):
you when he's questioning if he likes somebody, like this
was very telling to me that he's really into Michelle. Like,
I don't think he's into that many of these girls yet.
I think he's getting there. I think he's going to
even know them still. But I think maybe just because
Matt is being Matt and he's being an authentic like,
you can really see when he's into somebody, and it's

(32:31):
this was a date where I go, this girl, this
girl is gonna go a long ways because I think
they have something special. I completely agree. Uh. Then we
go into the second group date. This is where Brittany
tells Katie and Ryan that there's like this escort rumor
going around and then she's really hurt by it. And

(32:51):
I wouldn't say there was really a huge they like
fight for love again and like again, I'm just like, wow,
so many dates are so many dates on this episode
are like not helping me get to know these girls
or the connection they have with Matt kind of like
years I love you, but you know you know what

(33:15):
I mean? Um, this this is another group date where
like they're fighting in a ring but it tells us nothing.
And plus like how many times are we going to fight,
like physically fight during group dates? Like it's I'm so over.
This is the second second season in a row. No.
Also my season we did the Vietnam fight date. Yeah,

(33:38):
and they had to cut it short because it was
too It was so bad. I mean, these girls were
getting knocked around. This is not something like what why
I don't get it? Yeah, I mean I see how,
it seems like fun whatever, Like I was having a
great time on our fight date, but the majority of

(33:58):
the girls were scared and also cut off anyway, and
I thought they would have learned from ours. Then they
tried it the next season, and they're trying it this season.
And not only are they the next season they were like,
oh yeah, like color fights or something. Now this season
is like straight up punch each other in the face,
like that is if you had to cancel it two

(34:18):
seasons before. What do we do? I don't know. And
then Matt Stephen says this silly line like it's amazing
how they're fighting for love and he cancels it. He's
the one that's like, I couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, anyway,
So we get nothing from that, But then we do
go to the nighttime portion, and this is where like

(34:39):
Katie is hearing about the escort rumors and saying like
I need to stand up for this woman, and she
she walks out, And I love the I love the
fact that I think that Katie like made this move
completely on her own, because you see, when she approaches Matt,
he's surrounded by a ton of producers, so I don't

(35:00):
think they were expecting her, and they moved away, Yeah
they were attracted, and she was like, sorry, am I
interrupting continues to do her thing like, didn't back up.
She just kept going, so sorry, I know you're I
know you're having a long night, like acknowledged his long night.
Went straight to the point, and those producers were like,
gotta go, gotta go, gotta go, well because it I mean,

(35:23):
this is it Like typically on this show, and I
think we said it last season, when you have the
person that tells the Bachelor or the Bachelor at anything,
it's usually doesn't go well, right like that is never
the person that sticks around a long time. But with Katie,
there's a unique difference where she's finally hit it like, gone,
I've this is going too far. This is no longer healthy,
it's mean. And so she's not saying I don't like

(35:46):
this person or this person isn't here for the right reasons. No,
the difference with Katie because I can tell now that
fans are gonna be there, but you say that it's
not the great thing to go and tell the batchelor stuff. No,
it's different with Katie because she's going to Matt and saying, no,
this isn't me being caddy, this isn't me just not
liking somebody. This isn't me saying they're not here for
the right reasons. It's me saying there is some mean

(36:07):
things going on the house that are hurting humans. You
need to know about it, Matt, because it's no longer
a good environment to be in, and all is that
they can hurt their like their job exactly. Yes, that's
what I was gonna say, because an escort being that
word being attached to your name. When you google this
girl's name, it's gonna come up with articles now that

(36:30):
says like suspected of being escort in Bachelor episode and
then you're gonna read the articles to see that that
she's not actually an escort, but just like the name association.
It's tough, yea to close out this whole episode because
we can all agree there's a lot of boyling, there's
a lot of mean that's going on, there's a lot
of name calling. Um. Outside of that, this episode wasn't great.

(36:52):
We got we gotta rank this episode like we do
every week. Um, so Katie will start with you. We
ranked this on A from A to f Uh. What
was your ranking of this episode? A C plus fair enough?
That would be the lowest episode ranking that we've given
this year so far. Also, Katie, just for fun, we

(37:14):
do this every week as well. What is your time?
Who are your top three? Uh? Well, it's hard to
keep going because I don't know what conversations they've been having,
but it was Abigail at the beginning. Um, I like
Brie and I'm gonna pull in Michelle. Interesting. All right,
Ashley rank this episode? Okay, this is a C minus

(37:35):
and I feel like I'm being generous. Wow, Okay, top three.
Top three is Rachel Bree, and um, I want to
go with Abigail, but I may move, but Michelle and
Abigail now have like a competition for that third spot. Well,
I'm gonna give this episode, uh a D plus because

(37:57):
we had to see me on it, um, which brings
it down a bit and absolutely ridiculous. And then I'm
gonna say my top three Abigail, Michelle Bree. Rachel's gonna
fall out of the top three this week, mostly because
like I don't have a lot to base that on anymore.

(38:19):
Like Rachel just is is there right now. I think
she's gonna be there for a while. But Katie's gonna
actually go for Rachel's gonna go five. I did that
just to give a perspective of where I think Katie's
I'm a big fan of Katie right now. I think
she's doing some graz that we like Katie as viewers,
and I think Matt likes Kitty as a person, but
I don't think he feels a romantic chemistry with her.

(38:40):
What do you think, zoned? But it just seems to
happen like that the world. Well, the final note of
episode is I thought this blooper is great because I
was there for it, and so I just selfishly want
to mention that Maggie in the pond, in the pumpkins
spinning around in circles and then her time with Matt
was just fantastic. I think Maggie is one of the
sweetest people to ever be on the franchise. I hope

(39:00):
we get to see and hear more of her and
from her. Um. I think it's important, But if we don't,
I love this blooper because it was so real, so
true that poor girl was out in the middle there
for a long time, and then she also just is
a is a big fan of Matt. Well, uh, Katie,
we're gonna talk about you, Ashley, take it away. All right, well, Katie,

(39:23):
you were in US Weekly this week because yeah, because
you wow, because you confirmed that you're dating someone. I
can't believe this. What do you mean you to check
the news? I mean like US Weekly? Why do I

(39:46):
not know these things? Um? Well okay, so, like, how
does everyone else know before me? Well? Okay, okay, fine, okay, fine.
I kind of lead you into us a situation. You
confirmed that you're dating what a year after you're you're
split with Chris? But they did they didn't talk about

(40:10):
specifically who you were dating. So, um, are you comfortable
talking about who you're dating? Okay? What? Oh you're looking
at him? You're looking over at him? No, someone's laughing
at me someone. Yeah, I'm being laughed at? Um who? Okay?

(40:34):
So US Weekly confirmed that I am now dating after
Katie and Kris Bukowski split. This is what I just
recently peopled. Um, Yes, I'm definitely dating. Okay, I'm definitely
dating someone. Okay, Yes, does this person like live in
the US? No? Did this person slide into your d

(40:55):
m s before you ever met Kris Bukowski in Paradise? Nope,
they didn't side into my d m S before I
met Krispikowski because I met this person in person before
I met Krispykowk No way. Yeah, so let's clear this up.
You met this person, you're like, hey, interesting, I'm into it.

(41:16):
You go on Paradise, you met Kris Bukowski. It's like, hey,
I didn't say I did not stay interesting. I'm into it. Well,
like a decent human, let's say that. Okay, good, Okay,
I'm just trying to human. Okay, well, perfect, And then
you reconnect afterwards and it's like, hey, maybe this could
be something like after the fact and now you're dating. Hey,

(41:38):
we're just happy for you. That's a big deal. Thank
you guys so much. Yeah, I met this person randomly
on the street, and then a year and I have
some change after Paradise, I re met this person, yes,
through d MS Ashley, kind of like you've definitely heard

(42:01):
something right and wherever, and then yeah, and it's a
it's a going you met randomly on the street. Yeah,
it's actually true, it's actually you know what. And it
was a street I'm literally never on unless it's for
something Bachelor. So it was like the day after I
filmed my Paradise intro and I was at the Mandreal

(42:25):
because I feel like everyone always going to this Mandreal
to like watch yeah, like a Hannah b episode or something.
And I was going to have dinner at Harriett's rooftop
and yeah, I literally walked out of the Mandren and
this person was passing me on the street. Did you
talk to this person on the street? Yes, I did

(42:47):
for like a second, literally like two minutes. And maybe
then this person months later ends up going into your
d MS and saying, hey, we met on the street.
A year and a half later or something, well, yeah,
after we met on the street, this person said how

(43:08):
was the rest of your day? And I said great?
And then a year and a half later, this person
thought I was where he was and asked me to
go to dinner. Because my dating app had no location
services on it, so it said I was pretty much anywhere,
so he thought I was where he was asked me
if I was around and I said I'm not. And

(43:28):
then that's how it all started. Well, this is quite
the story. It's quite the story. Once it's fully confirmed,
if it's ever confirmed, maybe I'll tell some more. I'm sorry,
I have one more. Yeah, I gotta ask you more. Question,
did you start following him on Instagram that the minute

(43:48):
that you saw him on the street. Uh? Yeah, I
think I did, but I think I didn't, Like I'm
not that stingy like following and then all of a sudden,
like I do, like big cleanouts, I do big cleanouts,
but he was never cleaned out. But like I never

(44:08):
also he I never really saw him again because he
never posts on Instagram, so then I never saw him again.
I'm gonna do some sleothing. I'm gonna go into Instagram,
find people that never post on Instagram, and then I'll
connect you with them. Uh, Katie, before you go here,
Obviously we will talk about it in just a second.

(44:29):
But Claire and Dale has recently publicly broken up. We
talked about it on our special episode. You have gone
through a public breakup in this Bachelor world. Any advice
for Claire right now? Oh, gosh, find the best friend
and stick with them because it's it is tough, but

(44:51):
you're going to see it through and ultimately if it
wasn't unto be gosh, I don't want to say something
so cliche because she's probably gonna read that in any
quote you could ever find in Pendra but like find
someone's solid and stick with them until you see it
through essentially, and really just I know it's quarantine, but
I get your quarantine, buddy, and hunker down. Yeah. Yeah, well,

(45:15):
because yeah, me and Demi really leaned on each other
during that time in our lives, and I really would
say that that helps so much, especially because like I know,
she's really close with Michelle Money. I think I would say,
like someone who's in bachelor World that she's really close with,
like someone who actually understands a little bit of it,

(45:36):
even though they might not have been bachelorette. Then I'm like,
that's the best. Well, Katie Morton, you're the best. Thanks
for coming on. Thanks for breaking in the episode with us. Uh.
This was not an easy episode to watch, and you
watched it for the almost samest podcast. We wish you
the best in your love story that's currently unfolding. We
hope to hear about it more soon, uh and hopefully
come on the podcast to talk about it for the
very first time. That'd be really nice of you. Hey,

(45:59):
Katie Orton, thank you so much. Yekating so much by
Bachelorette Claire Crawley breaks her silence after Dale Moss split
and nout. Actually, before we dive into that, I think
it's fair for you to update all of the listeners
if they haven't on the recent events that have happened
in this relationship. Rumors are swirling, things are being said

(46:22):
because we didn't. It happened after our kind of special episode.
So she posted that she was made aware of a
quote mutual statement the same time as all of Bachelor
Nation when Dale posted that breakup post what was it
on Tuesday? So yeah, it obviously wasn't mutual. Um Claire

(46:46):
said that it's been a hell of a year. Speaking
for herself, her intentions with this relationship have always been
very clear. She says she's totally crushed. She said this
is not what she expected or hoping for. She's still
trying to process it. Um. Basically, this post, it just
was kind of savage to me, and I loved it.
It was like, yeah, he just blindsided her, posted about

(47:08):
the breakup without letting her know he was going to
so rude. It's so rude in so many ways now
it makes me wonder And obviously the next headline is
Dale Moss mystery Woman revealed following accusations he cheated on
Bachelor Claire Crawley. If you remember, Uh, there's a headline
right after they kind of went public that he was

(47:31):
seen in New York with women. And then we kind
of said, hey, these both these women have boyfriends or
ones married, Like, I don't think there's anything going on there.
We kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt. Well,
now more are kind of coming out, uh talking about this.
Not only is this statement and that she didn't even
know about it, so just like it just fires me
up that he would do that too, me too. There's

(47:54):
now apparently he responded to being to blindsiding her and
said this didn't come out of nowhere. Was like, yeah, duh,
you guys were broken up, but you posted about it
without her knowing that you were going to make it public.
I mean, I remember the days when we were like
going through this and like that I was going through
a breakup and we were talking about this thing, and
it was I mean, yeah, we were barely speaking if

(48:17):
at all. At the time. We were done. All right,
we're broken up, we had moved on, we're doing other things.
But when it came to like talking about it publicly,
it wasn't something we did quickly because we both needed
time to like process and heal, you know, kind of
like order reorder our lives. And the second was like
I don't I'm not ready to respond to this publicly yet,
like we don't need to, and we both worked together
on are you ready? Yes? Am I ready? Yes? Okay,

(48:39):
now let's do it like it was. It was a
very civil thing. It wasn't easy, like I didn't enjoy
talking to her about it, but like it was a
civil thing we did because it's respectful and it's just right.
And this this is the thing that fires me up.
Actually you can go on Instagram and talk about all
these things and he's a great dude, and then this
is a sign that's like how selfish can you be?

(49:00):
I completely agree, and like we don't want to perpetuate
rumors that we have no confirmation on. And of course
we won't UM ever probably get confirmation that he was
cheating on Claire, but we will mention that there was
this woman, that it was his real estate agent, that
whenever he was in New York without Claire, he seemed
to always be hanging out with Um and Claire was

(49:24):
insecure about this friendship relationship whatever. The entire time they
were together um and Claire would always reassure Claire that
it was just nothing um. But multiple people say that
they saw the two of them kind of just parading
around New York whenever Claire was around, and whenever Claire
did confront him about this, he would always deny it. UM.

(49:47):
So we're not saying that he did or didn't, but
you know, there's definitely some I mean, that's just like
one of those things. It's like you don't hang out
with a beautiful single girl when you're engaged, and you
don't run around with them when your fiance is not around.
I just like one of those things that like I
it's the age old. Can you be friends with like

(50:09):
somebody of the opposite sex when you're in a relationship, Yes,
you can, but only to a certain degree. Like of
course I have guy friends, but like I also wouldn't
be hanging out with them without Jared, like all the
time when I'm in a public relationship, fresh engagement. I
don't know, you know what I mean, Like there's a

(50:29):
fine line there. Well. E News is saying that Claire
has seen proof of the two of them hanging it
out Uh. And multiple people have told that Claire and
Dale are that told Claire that Dale was parading around
New York City with this girl. So it seems like
this at least played a factor in it. Now past
that we don't know anything else, who knows if we will,

(50:50):
it's not really any of our business. Now, it's just
it's over. It's sad that it happened this way. It's
not okay that she didn't really know about it being
announced by Dale. The whole thing's messy, um. And so
it's just it's been tough, and we mean, we did
a whole special episode on it without knowing anything, and
now it's kind of coming out and we're like, yeah,
I don't really like any more of it. Well, Claire

(51:11):
Crawley's best friend, Michelle Money and Katie had just mentioned
how she needs to find her best friends right now,
Uh sends her a better Off candle after Dale Moss split,
as according to US Weekly. Yeah, so, Michelle posted in
the story of this gift that she was about to
go send off the Claire or she said, guess who
I'm sending These two? In the candles read thank you

(51:32):
next better Off and clean Slate and then she also
had a little Instagram sticker that said boy bye. Yeah.
I thought that Michelle would be like that friend for
Claire and I'm glad that she's there for her. Yeah.
I hope there's many they're coming out and supporting Claar
right now. Well, moving on to a different topic. Kelly Flannagan,

(51:53):
if you remember she was the one that was dating
Peter Webber for a long time, said that she would
definitely consider being the Bachelor after Peter Webber split. This
according to US Weekly, when I read the comments under
this post, there are so many people that were like, Okay, Kelly,
we never asked you to be the bachelorrette I would.
But you know, she's responding to a question that Press
asked her. They said, would you ever be the Bachelor?

(52:16):
And she said sure, but she doesn't think like I'm
next in line to become the bachelorette. I think the
better question would probably be like, Kelly, you're going to
go to Paradise now, And she said that she would,
you know, yeah, consider it. So I would imagine that
she would also consider Paradise. It's going to be interesting

(52:36):
to see. I think it would be a big storyline
if she did go well. Sarah Trot shades. If you
remember Sarah Trot, she just recently left the season of
The Bachelor. She shades Victoria Larson after early Bachelor exit.
The quote that she used is real queens fix each
other's crowns. What a great qua love Love that instagram

(52:59):
that she post said with that caption, she said that
she thought this is very interesting. Sarah actually thought going
to the show that she was going to be able
to communicate with her parents and have access to a phone,
and then when she got there, she found out that
wasn't the case. So that made the process a lot
more difficult for her. I wonder why she would ever
think that that's going to be a possibility. It's hard

(53:22):
to say. I don't know if she just assumed it,
she didn't know the stipulations, but yes she did it.
But yeah, then she comes out publicly, uh, kind of
talking about Victoria. Yeah, okay, So but to address the
quote that you just said, she says that, um, we
see that quote women supporting women all the time on
the internet, but what does that really mean to me?

(53:42):
It means sharing encouragement instead of judgment, reframing from negative
comments even when it's sometimes easier to say something mean
and says instead of saying something nice. It means supporting
a female in business paying full price. It means supporting
a younger woman in your industry and offering guidance and
support when appropriate. Means value your community over competition. It

(54:04):
does not mean you have to pretend to like everyone.
That's impossible, but it does mean being a good person,
keeping your head up and refraining from degrading another human being.
You never know the internal battles another person is going through,
and at the end of the day, just be decent
and a kind individual. I think that was really a

(54:26):
great way of articulating the way that Victoria and some
of the other women treated her. I think it's fantastic.
I mean, just really well done. Uh and I just
love the statement real queens fix each other's crowns well.
Speaking of Victoria big headline this week, people are talking
about Bachelor villain Victoria Larson's two thousand twelve shoplifting arrest resurfaces.

(54:50):
You knew something like not that she would have a
history with anything, but you just knew people were going
to start digging for any past that can point to
what is going on with her on t TV. Yep. So,
she was arrested for petty theft in two thousand twelve
for stealing stuff from a grocery store, most notably makeup products. Um,

(55:14):
she shoplifted over two fifty dollars worth of items, but
she did go to the self checkout counter and she
bought some things, but there was a bag that she
kept were apparently of two that she did not scan,
and then she denied shoplifting once the cameras caught her.

(55:35):
But the thing was, she didn't know that there was
cameras watching her, so she ended up festing up and
she was let out on five dollars bond. It is
a absolute wild story, but we all have her past. Um.
I think that the big thing now is like, what
in the world's going on in Victoria on the show? Well,

(55:56):
speaking of the show, Matt James's former roommate has a
lot to say about the Bachelor. This according to Refinery
twenty nine. Okay, so, apparently a roommate of his who
will not be named, came out and said that he
he was not a good roommate because he basically invited
people over to stay over at their place for long

(56:17):
periods of time, even going to the extent of making
people keys. So there are people going in and out
of their shared department all the time. Those people that
coming in and out included Tyler Cameron Um just said
that they basically had a big falling out at the
end of their roommate ship. Well, I mean, I can

(56:39):
see Matt James being a very generous man, like, hey,
if you need to play stay, come hang out right now,
there's always roommate code. Whatever it may be. You kind
of agree on it or you don't whatever that looks like.
But just because he's a friendly guy and he's generous,
I can't hate him for that, Like I can judge
the guy. But it does sound like there is it's

(56:59):
just into I think that, you know, now the roommates
feel like it's now time to speak on stuff. I
don't know. I don't love that. So the next one
is something that has kind of been talked about now
in the headlines. It is interesting. It's unexpected to me.
I thought this season would be everything opposite of this,
But ABC exact Rob Mills addresses Matt James is lower
Bachelor ratings, the quotas. People are just getting to know

(57:21):
him according to US Weekly. I mean, I get it,
you have no you have no attachment to him from
a previous season. You don't really care about this random
guy finding love. There's a big component to getting to
know the person on the previous season and getting invested
and why they deserve this right. But I mean, Matt

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is just so good at it that I wish people
didn't think like that and would give it the chance,
because besides this past episode, I think everything's been excellent.
I think he's been a great, great Bachelor. And Rob
Mills is saying that, I think you're going to see
the ratings rise exponentially more than you would have seen

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in previous seasons because people are going to start talking
about it and it's going to be more of a
word of mouth thing. The the degree the decrease in viewers.
It's like under five million in the past two weeks,
and that is a lot lower than usual. It's really
low there. It's like half at half of what is expected.

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I don't know, it's weird. Um, there's a lot to that.
We'll keep kind of looking into that as weeks go
on here and we'll find out what exactly is going on.
I don't know if this episode is going to help
matters that That's the thing. I don't know if uh,
this episode really pushed the ratings any higher. Uh there
there is nothing talk worthy coming from it. Well. Uh.
One of our final headlines today is the Bachelor's Nick

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File is dating surgical technologist Natalie Joy. This according to People, Well,
Nick was seen looks like a paparazzi shot of him
walking around his neighborhood with a lady. Um. Obviously, like
things get weird when we talk about our friends on
this episode, on these episodes, So I don't want to

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like confirm or deny his relationship. I'm sure that when
Nick is ready to talk about any sort of person
in his life, he'll do so on his own podcast. Well,
it feels like people is confirming it. I usually trust people.
Good for Nick if he is. She seems like a
nice girl. Is Hannah Brown dating model Adam Willard? Bachelor

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Nation thinks So yeah, looks like it. So people are
really sleuthing on her Instagram and she was seen enjoying
a romantic dinner with a with a boy in Nashville,
and on the same day she posted it in the
story of her like cozying up with a man. Faces

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not included, and people have somehow figured out that this
man is Adam Woollard. And I'll say that I looked
up Adam before recording this podcast and he's quite a
q cute guy. Good for her, or if this is true,
good for her? Well. Final headline The Bachelor creator Mike
Flice asks thirty four point five million, the same amount

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I paid for my home in Colorado for for ocean
front uh Hawaii home. Yeah wow. So in two thousand
and sixteen, Flics bought this place for sixteen UM for
sixteen point two million from Julia Roberts. Heck, yes, that

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is so cool. He apparently has remodeled the property and
completely redone the surrounding landscape, making him put this sucker
on the market for thirty four point five million. It's
over two acres, it's ocean front, of course, it's one
of the largest parcels of land in this specific bay

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in Hawaii. Um, it's the north shore. It's it's apparently
just gorgeous. The house itself dates back to you. Yeah,
what a win for Mike Flies. I mean that is
something special. Well, uh, this is the almost Famous podcast.
It's been a terrific episode and even though this episode itself,

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maybe of this week's Bachelor, wasn't up to our standards.
But we'll be back next week talking about the episode,
breaking down everything good in the world. It's been good
to talk to you all again. Just a reminder, actually
and I do have a virtual event coming up. We
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be more info more things coming out very soon, so

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