What If? with Jojo Fletcher and Jordan Rodgers Part 2

Ben and Ashley sit down with Jojo Fletcher and her husband Jordan Rodgers for an intimate conversation about her history with Ben, and her future with Jordan.
 
Hear the moment that broke Jojo’s heart when she thought Ben was going to propose, and  the emotional aftermath that affected her after she was sent home.
 
And, Jojo and Jordan open up about their own struggles early in their relationship, and how they moved past those challenges to become of the biggest success stories in Bachelor Nation.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's the Almost Famous podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yes we have teased it, Yes we have waited for it,
and we are excited for it. Two really incredible people,
big deals coming out of Bachelor Nation and have made
bigger names for themselves. Now we have Jojo and Jordan
with us. Welcome to Almost Famous for the first time.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Wow, I feel honored to be on the stage.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Hold on, guys.

Speaker 6 (00:29):
Jojo was actually on the podcast before, but she was
only with me.

Speaker 7 (00:33):
Oh that's why.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know. Why did I get nervous? What happened?

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (00:41):
It was like a girl chat time. It was I
don't know what were we promoting anything? Were we just recapping?

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Yeah? So like this.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
You know, it's the first time all the boys are
in our presence.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So okay, Well, one of the I guess I'm wrong
in my assumption then, because one of my assumptions was
that Jojo and Jordan always denied the request to come
on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Is that No, that was my assumption, because you haven't
been here. Is that not true? Oh? Dang, well, I'm
glad we asked you.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Now, we should have had you on so many times before.
I'm really excited you both are here. I respect you
both a lot. I've became a big fan of Jordan
because I watch you most saturdays of my life. And Jojo,
obviously I think the world of and so it's a
big deal that you're here. We have a lot to
break down. You are up to a lot in life.

(01:40):
But let's start back.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
At the beginning, if we can.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
If you can remember six years ago, Jojo, you participated
in season twenty of The Bachelor, which I just happened
to be a part of.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
I do remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, that was a great time in life because then
you became the Bachelor and Jordan, so leading up to
that decision to marry a wonderful man, can we go
back to And I think I want to ask it
this way because the listeners of this are fanatics for
The Bachelor. They've listened to us talk about The Bachelor

(02:17):
for almost seven years. How I mean and I think
you two are the best example. How real is this experience?
And let's start with your season of The Bachelor. What
you were learning about yourself along the way, what it
felt like to leave Jamaica and.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Go What in the world was this whole thing about
and let's stop there, because then I have some follow ups.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Wow. Yeah, let's go back down memory lane. You know, guys,
when I went on the Bachelor, then we had many
conversations about this. I was coming off of a previous
relationship that I knew was not good for me, I
knew was unhealthy. I think it really chipped away at
me and who I was as a woman and my confidence.
And so going onto that season, there were some walls

(03:02):
that I think I had up and nerves and anxiety,
and just going through it, I think along the way
and having you as the Bachelor in our relationship that formed,
I think I like grew a little bit. I think
that I started to remember what I deserved and the
type of guys that were out there, and so as
you know, like that was a real experience for me,

(03:22):
it was for you, was for everybody that was involved,
and I think that it was just kind of like
a growing journey for me and a realization that like,
I don't ever have to settle right and Ben, you
were a great example of that. You know, we ended
on that last day in Jamaica. I thought I was
going up to that altar and getting a ring, and

(03:42):
obviously it didn't end that way, but you know, everything
happens for a reason. And I remember leaving that day
and the exact feeling. I was like, wait, what, Like
it was just such a I couldn't even process. It
was like a shock moment that lasted for a bit.
I can stop there, or I can keep going.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
No.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I mean, I think that's good because it is a
it's a weird thing when you're on this show. And
so obviously if people can't remember that far back, I
did end up with Lauren. I am happily married now
to somebody that was not anywhere close to my season,
nor has she ever watched it, which is so good
for me. But then when Laura and I broke up,

(04:27):
and I wonder if these are the same feelings, and Jordan,
you can't relate with this because you just skipped out
of this thing real happy and never gotten there.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I had a long period of time, maybe over a
year of my life where I was like, what was
this whole thing for?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Like, what was this whole thing about?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And so obviously, Jojo, you became the bachelorette soon after,
but in that limbo stage, did you have those same
feelings of what was what is this whole thing? You know?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think I took a lot away even though it
ended in heartbreak for me, and it was something that
I kind of dealt with. I knew without a doubt
that I grew, Like I knew that I was coming
back home although heartbroken. I knew I was never going
to fall back into those unhealthy relationships that I maybe
let into my life before. And I think, and I
say this to this day, like going through that experience

(05:20):
on the Bachelor, it changed my life in so many ways.
It changed my life for my personal self development, my growth,
what I wanted, what I knew I deserved. So I
didn't ever look at it like why the heck did
I go through that and it ended this way? I
just think that it was I was shocked that I
was able to feel all those things in such an
unusual way. And setting you.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Know, Jordan, when this is going on with Jojo, what
are you doing? Are you watching her getting heartbroken on
Ben's season hoping that she's the Bachelor?

Speaker 7 (05:53):
At No, I'd never watched any of it, so like
completely oblivious to the entire thing happening. And then you
guys know, like a lot of the way you end
up on that show is there's casting and they go
to different cities or somehow you get in the mix.
They fly a bunch of people out to LA they
kind of dwindle it down to twenty five. I wasn't
a part of any of that. So literally, ten days easy,

(06:15):
ten days before film started for The Bachelorette, I got
a call from Bennett out of the blue, Completely out
of the blue.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I had executive producer I could dated.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
Show, and they had kind of reached out to my
agent because I was in there. I was doing sports
radio stuff at the time, and I think it was
Pete's wife. Actually was Pete one of the Fosters, was
working on that show. I didn't go on that show.
They didn't want me. My name got passed along to
that say. So Bennett called me. He's like, hey, uh
you single? And I'm like yeah. Like he's like, you
ever watched the show? I'm like no, I mean I

(06:45):
know what it is, but I've never watched the show.
And he's like, well, I got this great girl. He's like, look,
I'm not going to tell you're going to fall in love,
but if you want to go have some fun for
a couple of weeks, travel a little bit. I think
it'd be really cool. And then and I kind of
hung up on that, and I'm like, I don't know.
I was living in Nashville at the time, training quarterbacks
doing sports radio, and I was like, man, I'm flexible,
I could take time off, so sure, why you know,
why not? But I made that decision a couple of

(07:07):
days before and to the point of view and uh
and Ben. I flew out to La, stayed with one
of my best friends, Brandon, and he's like, hey, let's
just watch an episode, like let's see, you know, because
we didn't even know who the bachelorette was going to
be at that point. It was either Jojo or Kayla.
And they were kind of like, didn't know my name had.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Never at that point it was only Kaylea. Everyone thought
it was Kayla for so long.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
So I fill up episode with and I'm watching Ben
and Jojo. I think you guys were like in like
a waterfall at a waterfall. You're sitting on a rock
at a waterfall, like not sure how, but again, it's all.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Water under the bridge now.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
So we're I'm watching and I'm going I think it's Kayla,
Like she's cool, she's attractive, she seems really funny. I
was like, but this Jojo girl, she's like smoke show.
And I'm like, you know, maybe I just like shoot
her a DM and I don't do this whole TV thing.
And I was like kind of like thinking like, oh,
I could DM or she'll probably respond, you know, like
just the typical overconfident guy that thought he had a
following on social media. But I'm like, you know what,

(08:05):
I committed to want to do this thing because like
it was just an experience. I was like, you know what,
whoever it is, I'm gonna go do it. So obviously
I was locked in a hotel room at the time
that Jojo got announced, but I didn't really know much
about the show. Didn't know much about anything other than
seeing one or two dates with with Ben and Jojo
and thinking Jojo was pretty cute. But that was kind
of that was it. So I was new to what

(08:26):
was about to happen to me.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
I had no idea, and Jojo was a surprise bachelorette
because usually the runner up doesn't get picked to be
the bachelorette because the heartbreak is apparently too intense and
too recent.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Oh and it was. Yeah, it was super super there
for her.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
What I'm saying, it was like, I remember when Jojo
was announced and I'm sitting I remember exactly where I
was at. I was so jacked that Kayla was going
to be the Bachelorette because and we'll get into this
in a second, but I was so excited because I
was like, Okay, this is just some nothing I have
to watch now, right, And then I was with Lauren
at the time, and she didn't want to watch it

(09:04):
because typically, and Jordan, thank you for this, the people
coming on that season usually come out of the limos
and they're like, been such a terrible dude, how could
he do this to you? You know, oh gosh, like
I'm not going to be the been to you or
all these you know, things that happen every season. I
was like, I don't have to hear that, and Laura
doesn't have to watch it, and we're both like, good,

(09:26):
I think JoJo's amazing, but I don't want to see
her on TV again. That would be too real for me.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, and I think at.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
The time too, because Ben, you know, I don't know
if you even know this, Like Lauren had reached out
to me a couple of times after you guys got together,
because I think she was struggling with some with the
whole the two I have thinks, which was hard for
me because I was also kind of grieving the loss
of our relationship but also wanting to be a good
friend to Lauren and comfort her, and so there was

(09:54):
this weird kind of dynamic that was going on.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
You're exactly right because I and again I remember exactly
those conversations of her saying to me, this is just
too real, like there is just too much and it
was heavy on our relationship. And I think for people
that don't participate in it, and I don't know if
this is the case every season, but for the more
and more people that we talked to in the years

(10:17):
that we've done this, it feels like there is a
lot of kind of heaviness over that final day and
what that meant and how it was done and if
it was done well and if there was closure or not,
And it was heavy on our relationship. It was a
conversation we had many times, and there was never any
healing from it. I think I think even today, if

(10:39):
you were to ask Lauren, was there ever in that
season of life until the day you broke up, ever
healing and from those conversations, I don't think there was,
because there was just not a good way to close it,
Like there wasn't And so that's I mean, it's a
good place to dive into. You were a surprising bachelorette
because Kayla had kind of been the one that was chosen.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Then you get announced.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
As it behind the scenes obviously.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I want to kind of stop there and talk about
now your experience on the Bachelorette, and then also relating
it with something that's been heavy on me ever since
then when people ask me, and obviously they still do
this day, because it's just the nature of the show
about the final days of me being the bachelor and
telling two women I love them, uh and doing it

(11:28):
out of a place that I thought was good and
healthy and was all going to work out, and now
looking back saying it was probably a very unwise decision.
Did you as a bachelor at any moment ago I
get it now or at least I can understand it now.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
On I mean, and I talked about that, like I think,
you know, man, I don't even really know if it
was the two I love yous that messed me up
the most. I think it was the conversations we had
after that about like us being these best friends and
like not being able to envision a life without each
other every day, and it was kind of like, because

(12:05):
I do believe you can love more than one person,
and after going through the Bachelorette, I think that I
started to experience that in my own way. But I
was so cautious of not saying I love you because
of my experience. But I really don't know if it
was the word I love you more so than the
coupling it up with all the other promises. I guess

(12:27):
if you know that I had expected you know what.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I mean, that makes sense, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
But I get you can love somebody, but the comments
of like, you know, can imagine that life without you
like every year, So those things are I think what
you really start to think about when you think of
your future. Right, So I had I was envisioning the
future and what that life looked like. So I think
that might have been the hardest part for me.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, I don't know, maybe, And you can give me advice.
You were an incredible bachelorette. You are one of, if
not the most beloved bachelorettes of all time. You did
it really well, and you did it with humor and grace,
and you just navigated the process really well. If you
look back on that season, you were like, Hey, Ben,

(13:10):
here's some advice for you, Here's what you should have done.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
What would you tell me?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Honestly, I wouldn't tell you to change anything, you know,
because I think it's such a unique experience for everybody,
and I think more than anything, you really have to
just be true to yourself. And the second you start
like overthinking and like trying to guard yourself or to
put up these I wouldn't have told you to change anything, right,
because I think that experience and how it was done,

(13:37):
it ultimately led me to where I needed to be,
and it attributed to all that self growth and you know,
all those realizations that I had. So, I mean, people
are gonna knock you all day for saying I love
you to do two Girls, but like that was your
truth and decided to speak on that, and I wouldn't
tell you not to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, I mean, and it's weird because I think and
you know, first off, Jordan, it's great that you have
to go through the casting process. There's two people I
know that it's never had to go through the casting process.
And there's two things that those two people have. They're
incredibly good looking, you and Sean bo. So yeah, so

(14:15):
some of us we have to grind to get on
and that's and that's why that's I'm saying this because
what And I'm glad that it's this way, And I'm
glad it was that way during kind of the season
of the Bachelor and Bachelorette that we were both in
their way all in it was very real to me,
and I think I mean, obviously it was very real
to the two of you because you're sharing a life

(14:37):
together now, but leading up to it, you don't really
know what you're getting into. You're very unequipped. And I
think the audience watches this and goes, why are they
doing it this way? How are they not more you know,
wise or careful in their decision making? And for me,
in my experience, I was coming from pretty much being unemployed,

(15:02):
living in a little house in Denver with no friends
because I just moved to this city and then all
of a sudden being asked to be the Bachelor and
showing up and having at you know, an incredible group
of people there that were, you know, date with that
I was dating and trying to figure out to do that,
and then at the end having some of the best

(15:22):
women I've ever met in my life standing in front
of me and me trying to navigate how to do
this well. And it's really I meant what I really
wanted to answer in interviews back then when people are like,
how could you do it? And I was like, I
just didn't know how to do it. Like I'm I'm
not stupid. I won't say that about myself, but like,

(15:43):
I'm just not smart in these situations.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I have no clue how I could have done this.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
You couldn't have because no one has ever had to
do that in their lives period, you know what I mean.
So you I had no clue how to do it.
I think I just had an awareness because of what
I had just gone through. Otherwise, you have no way
to gauge how that experience is going to play out.
No one can.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Maybe the thing here that's weirdest about the show too
for me was that like a few of these relationships,
not many of them felt like real relationships, right, like
you're dating somebody. It just happens that you're dating somebody
else at the same time. But these are real things.
They're they're changing your life, they're changing your perspective, as
you say, they're giving you a better look at either

(16:36):
who you're gonna be with in the end and share
life with, or what you're looking for in a partner
long term. And so typically in life, when you have
a real relationship and it ends and there's a lot
of emotion to it, there's closure, and there's maybe some
fights afterwards, and there's may maybe some how could you
do this to me? And some texts and some calls,

(16:58):
and then at some point everybody moves on and you
feel like, Okay, at least I've been heard, they've been heard,
and now we can move forward. Jojo, I've only I
think seen you one time since the show, and it
was you and Jordan and airport in Nashville, Tennessee, and
like passing.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
We saw you and Lauren at iHeart and event remember
all of us together at.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Oh my god, that's all right, and you guys were
talking about how it was a little awkward and that
leads perfectly into this question. Then, when things were a
little rocky with you and Lauren, the relationship was going south,
I think there was probably a lot of people around

(17:41):
you being like, oh, he should have picked Jojo, and
I'm sure Lauren was insecure about that. How much did
Jojo play a role in your relationship with Lauren after
the show?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh? I mean mentally a ton And it's unfair.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
It was unfair too, because I think it again, going
back to I don't know, I would argue strongly that
I had the best cast of women that any Bachelor's
ever had from the start to from the start to
the finish, I would say that, you know, there was
just incredible people on that season, and I would fight

(18:19):
for that. And so with the show itself. When you
have that many incredible people, there's comparisons that are done.
And the comparisons aren't fair, they're not healthy, they're not right,
but they happen, and they usually, you know, people like
the person that got hurts. It's easy to you know,

(18:42):
to try to push down the person that should just
be living a really happy, go lucky life. But those
conversations never left and it would come up at random times.
Maybe be in a really healthy season of our relationship,
things would be going well and we go on an
interview and you know, somebody says, Lauren, what did it
feel like to have been watching it back and see
Ben say I love you to two people and is
like funny maybe or is like light is like is

(19:05):
maybe people didn't realize the gravity and the weight of
that question on our relationship, like and so people wouldn't realize, yeah,
this is just another good question from a from somebody
getting a headline, And for me, I would sit there
and like my insides would crawl because I'd be like,
we haven't had to talk about this in weeks, Like
we haven't had to broach this in weeks. And at

(19:26):
that point, Jordan and Jojo were together, and I thought
that was going to be something that moved everybody forward,
like everybody's doing their thing right, everybody's good now, like
we can we can leave this and step And it
never did it. And I think Lauren would say the
same thing, you know, and it was me and her
both dealing with this, but it never left us, I
think until the very end.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Is that fair? Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's heavy?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Would you expect that. I mean, Jojo, like the two
of you, Jojo and Jordan. Would you guys, can you
relate with that at all? Like hearing that and and
understanding the questions from the show and understanding that the
navigating the unhealthy things that come out of the show
for you.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Did you guys have any of that?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I don't think that we had the same, Like you
know what you were experiencing with Mouren and how it
relates to me. I don't think I felt that, you
know with Robbie who was my runner.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Up, right, we didn't feel it with you and Robbie either.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, so I didn't. I didn't. That wasn't our struggle.
I think the really hard part for us was just
that that whole year after, you know, we had a
hard year, thought a lot wasn't good, almost broke up

(20:44):
a couple of times. And we're very kind of open
about that. The struggles for us, we're just trying to
figure out. Now we're two people that have just met
in a really weird way, trying to live together and
be together coming off of this crazy show, and you
know the time, you know how like presses and articles
and like every other day it was something that created

(21:06):
a stressor for us to try and navigate, and we
didn't know how to and we just were different. We
communicate very differently, we handle conflict very differently, and so
that was a big learning process for us.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Well, I think, I think too, Like a lot of
it has to do with your storyline on the show
as well, right and pitying me and Robbie together. Behind
the scenes, Jojo was kind of getting primed that I
was the one that you don't know what's going to
happen when he gets fame or whatever, you know what
I mean? Like I was the one that she had
worried about, who's he going to be? Can I trust him?

(21:42):
And so after the show there was you have to
break those Yes, you met and you know each other
for nine weeks, but you guys know this, like then
real life hits and you really start to like really
know somebody. And also like when you read something on
a magazine, Yeah, you know it's a magazine, but you
also haven't ever is that true? Is it not true?
I had those conversations you don't know this person beyond

(22:03):
the bubble that we were in. So building trust and
building the real aspect of our relationship was kind of
difficult because of what it looked like and the storyline
and what she was feeling and what kind of our
storyline on the show was. Like I was the one
that I don't know, she didn't know if I was
going to propose because I didn't didn't ask her dad
when I was supposed to ask her dad, like you know,

(22:24):
so I was always the one there was a question
mark about. I kind of had to like fight really
hard to like, no, that's not like you can trust me, like,
and so that was just a part of our relationship.
I think that with the communication with the real life,
with the pressure of it, it just it spiraled and
it was very tough for that first year period. Like,
it wasn't super fun. There were fun parts, but it
was hard.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Do you remember the hurdle that you guys crossed that
kind of.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Led you then to being like, no, this is right
and I do trust you.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Is there a moment a time?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, I remember this so vividly. We had moved into
this the first house that we obviously were living in together,
a small, tiny little house. We had been fighting and
we would have we had this like blow up fight,
like and it scared me because it reminded me of
a toxic relationship I had in my past, and that
was I told myself to day that I left Jamaica.

(23:16):
I would never allow that into my life again, Like
that was not not it for me. And I remember
that one fight had gotten to that level and I
was like, oh, no, I think did I leave or
did you leave? I think I left.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
We remember were multiple times we both like left out,
like I needed.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
To get away, and we were like, man, this is
not good good. And so that day we came we
both came into the living room and we were like,
we have to figure this out.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
It was in very like you know in those fights. No,
it was like we were broken, We were sad. It
was like this is not good for us as individuals,
like like like either we need to be I love
you and and go our separate ways because it's can
be better for each of us as human beings, or
we need to figure out like why we chose each

(24:05):
other in the first place. Those good parts and also
realized that we got a lot of shit to grow
up on, We had a lot of to grow and
we have a lot of work to do to get
to a point where this is healthy and it's supposed
to be what we both wanted out of it. And
I was about a year in. Yeah, that it was
kind of that crossroads. We're like, okay, like we can
take this road and we'll still love each other and
respect each other. We tried, we really did, and it

(24:27):
was sad and we were broken. Or we can say, hey, no,
we're going to lean into this and like actively make
that choice on a daily basis, be intentional about it.
So that was tough, though.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Do you think looking back, like you both came into
that wanting it to work still or either of you like, no,
this is not going to work. Like I'm trying to
say okay for a listener out there who is not
in a toxic relationship. Yeah, but it's trying to navigate,
Hey can I make this thing work?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I've been married now for almost two years a year
and a half actually as of like next week, and
it's not easy, right, And my wife is an incredible
human who has the purest soul, But it's not easy
to navigate, and it's it's not always roses in our household.
But the reason it works is because we both have
the spirit of no we're we're in this now, like

(25:17):
we're going to make this work. And so going back
to that conversation after a year together, what was the
spirit behind everything that kind of helped you move forward?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, I kind of just want to make a quick
clarification on the toxic park because I wouldn't say like
we never had like this is what when I say
toxic and how it relates to our relationship. Wasn't like
really bad things were happen, like I was doing something
or he was doing something. It was the inability to
navigate and work through conflict and allowing it to just

(25:47):
kind of escalate. There was never a de escalation that
we were able to figure out, and it could have
been something so small, and so I knew and we
both knew like that would that's not sustainable, Like that's
not healthy, it's not it's not going to be something
we can do long term. And so when we came
into that conversation, we both knew how much we loved
each other, but it was a real like do you

(26:08):
want this is? Do you believe this is what's best
for you? And who I am as a person, who
you are as a person. And I think we both
went into that. Like you said, Ben, is like we
both agree that this was what we wanted, and we
both knew that it was going to take a lot
of work on each side, a lot of compromise, and
just a lot of kind of I think self awareness,
and a lot of situations that maybe we both didn't have.

(26:30):
But I will say after that moment, we actively and
intentionally worked and all the things that we knew were
are struggles, which I think the biggest one of the
time was communication in conflict. Right, Like we were best friends,
we have the best time together day to day. It's
like we love being with each other, but when we
have times we didn't.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Know how to argue, not how to argue people that
in relationship. But I think's interesting that you guys can
probably relate to this, and I think in a way
like anybody can relate to this, is when you come
off the show, there is an avents pressure, yep to
be together and be happy and be perfect, not because
you want to and you obviously should want to, but
because that's what it's supposed to look like. And so
I think that moment, when we came to that point,

(27:12):
it was almost like, Okay, screw that pressure, because that
pressure was what made us solve some issues and come
to agreements and compromise because like, no, no, we have
to fix this because we're expected to, We're expected to
be happy, we're expected to be a good couple. In
that moment we came to it, it's okay, we need
to choose this because we want to, not because there's
a pressure too. I think that was a big difference

(27:34):
because for a long time, we put on a good
face when it wasn't super great, which you kind of
have to it sometimes, and we fix things because we
felt like we needed to. And there's the immense pressure
of everyone saying how good to a couple you were,
when behind the scenes you're like, wow, it's not that good.
And so we chose they were like in that moment,
it's like no, no, yeah, I get the pressures there,
but that like, we need to do this because we
want to, and if we want to, then we actually

(27:55):
will make those changes for us, not for anybody else.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
But I wouldn't also say that we made decis to
stay together for other people. But it was that that
pressure that we had added to the stress and a relationship.
I didn't want to go to my mom and tell
her all the issues that I'm I didn't want to
go to my best friend because I never wanted them
to look at him in a poor light, you know,
And so I didn't feel like I had this outlet

(28:19):
to like vent because it right, we had just gone
engage on this crazy situation scenario, whatever you want to
call it, and we fought for that relationship because we
believed in it, But we didn't have those outlets that
we felt like we could normally have, right because we
felt like eyes were always on us, or we didn't
people to like misconstrue something or run with it. So

(28:40):
it was just that was an added pressure.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
When did you feel like it started to get good?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Honestly, like right after that, And I will I can't
say I think right after because it was the most
real moment that we had that we knew if we
were to ever end up in another conflict, we were
both so like in that moment, we I don't think we've.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
Ever had a more We felt like a true team
after that, so like as opposed to arguments where like
someone was trying to be right prove their point, it
was like we still do that right everybody does, but
like we felt like we were in it together at
that point, not for any other reason, not for any
other purpose, but just because we wanted it not bad.
And I think that we looked at everything through that

(29:23):
context from there on out, which I think really helped.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, that's uh, And I think it's it's very relatable
because I think, you know, in my relationship, I'm sure
Ashley has that moment too, where you have something either
good or bad, but all of a sudden, you look
at this person you go, we're a team, Like we're
in this together. This is good, We're going to make
this work. We're both better for it. And it kind
of feels like the skies open up. Everything gets a

(29:47):
little brighter, like the way of being right or the
way of the pressure is lifted because now you've got
your teammate.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And I think that the show does play a role
in this.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
And you know, for as much as you know Ashley
and I still sit here seven years later and talk
about this show and break down the show and interview
people from the show, there's parts of the show that
still keep us very excited about the show. And it
is these real moments and knowing that the behind the
scenes of this is sometimes tough, but also it is
worth it when it works out. And I remember many moments.

(30:20):
I mean most moments I remember are moments where, yeah,
you know, Laura and I would be doing great and
then we'd have something going on in our life and
then all of a sudden we have to jump in
a car and drive to an interview, or jump in
a car and go to an event, and it was
like the weight on that is like, wait, we haven't
fixed this. There's no healing from the thing we just

(30:40):
said to each other. And now we're going five to
six hours standing around each other and taking pictures and
smiling until we can talk about it again. And maybe
we won't even talk about it again, and it will
just like compound on each other.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh you day over day over day.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
And so I get it, like you don't have the
skill sets sometimes in relationships, and it's beautiful when you
can work that out. And I think you guys are
a testament that because you are open about the difficulties
of this right publicly, you've definitely spoke about how hard
this was, and so people fans and also past contestants
like myself got to see that and go I get

(31:15):
it and they're gonna make it work.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, No, it's so true. I think it's important though too.
You know when people always ask about like what, it's
hard to kind of give that advice if you will,
to the next bachelorette or the next bachelor, because you
don't ever want to say, like, it's gonna be some
really hard freaking time and kind of like damper it.
But it's kind of the truth. And I think that
like the more awareness and you know, comfortability was saying like, yeah,

(31:43):
it's gonna be tough, and you have to be comfortable
in the uncomfortable and work through it if it's something
that you want, Like that's real life, you know. So
I mean, I'm thankful for that hardier looking back, because
I hope we would not be the couple and have
this relationship that we have today, which I'm so thankful
and blessed for if we didn't go through all that stuff,
you know, and didn't have to have that moment of

(32:05):
feeling so broken that we needed to make a real
true choice.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Can we talk about the reproposal when you got the
most amazing ring of all time and Jordan, why did
you choose to repropose.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
Yeah, I mean so obviously as soon as you come
off the show. That's the only question you get right
when you get married, like and so simultaneous we just
talked about it. We were going through a really tough
part of our relationship, like that was not on the
table during that first year. We weren't talking about the wedding.
We were talking about staying together and like getting our
relationship healthy into a better place. And so we'd kind

(32:51):
of come out of that, and I really wanted two things.
I wanted the excitement again of something to look forward to,
something that felt authentic. And I wanted to do it
my way. I wanted to do it without Jojo having
that had just broke up with someone not sweating her
butt off on a beach in Thailand because she hates
being hot, Like you know, I wanted. I wanted to

(33:13):
buy my own ring I did. I wanted to go
ring shopping where I knew kind of what she wanted.
I wanted. I want to go do it my own,
on my own way. So that's what I did. And
it was a crazy story because it almost didn't happen
three or four times, like i'd I was doing TV
and Charlotte the night before for sports and I lied
to her. I told her that I was spending the

(33:34):
night there and catching a plane to LA Friday morning.
Really I was jumping to Nashville to pick up the
ring then that night and then flying from Nashville to
LA the next morning. And my flight got delayed till
three in the morning, didn't know if it was going
to take off. And I'm like, literally, all she has
to do is FaceTime me because I'm not at my
hotel room, I'm not in my bed. I am at

(33:54):
the airport. She facetimes me, and I decline it. That
is not a good print. Thanks, And I'm Michael, God,
please just don't FaceTime texture, you know, like, Hey, I'm
in bed, gonna get some sleep to get an early flight.
And I'm like, is my flight gonna take off? Like,
I'm not even gonna to national I'm not gonna have
a ring. I'm gonna like, can I tell you what?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
In that moment, looking back, I realized, like this is
how I know I'm like in a very good relationship,
Like I'm not I'm not trying to hit you up
and asking where you are every second of the day.
There's like all that trust that was there, but you
were still sleeper nervous. I think it did help, though.
I was at Becca's house, and I think Becca knew
to Becca knows to me. She might have been kept
keeping me real busy, but I.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
So anyways, we're at this We were actually looking at
wedding venues like that whole weekend, and so we went
to one that I knew wasn't gonna be a wedding
venue option, but it was literally you could see the
bachelor mansion from this little helicopter pad at this venue,
and so we're kind of, you know, we're kind of
just walking around looking, oh, this is where the ceremony
be cool, and I kind of like put my arm
around or I'm like, it's just so wasn't this isn't

(34:55):
this crazy? Like we're literally like a mile from where
we met, Like think about it. I started getting into
this kind of sappy and she's like, what are you doing.
She's like, get your arm off family sweating. But yeah,
it was important to me to just do it my way, like,
and it takes nothing away from the first proposal.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
What are you laughing at the wedding venu tour guide.
One person was just that.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
Come on yeah video, but it was it was And
I get this question a lot, But it doesn't mean
that the first proposal wasn't real or anything less. But
it was just an opportunity to do it like I
would have in real life with nobody else there the
pressure in the the anxiety of doing it, picking out

(35:39):
a ring and doing all that.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
So it was actually fun for me too because I
was had no clue what was happening.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Like, I know you weren't engaged. You're like, but that.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
Morning too, I like put on a collared shirt and
Ben we were talking earlier, like I don't wear this.
We're doing a press tour today, I'd be wearing air
and she's like, I'm like, yeah, you know. I thought,
I you know a little bit for looking at venues
and I was like, is that what you're wearing?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Sweaty ponytail?

Speaker 7 (36:04):
Like you're gonna wear that?

Speaker 5 (36:07):
I'm like, bro back up you and gorgeous all the time.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
You guys got a lot of stress put on you
from Bachelor Nation for waiting so long to get married.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Were you guys together for six years before the wedding?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It was our six year engagement anniversary on our rehearsal
dinner night the week. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:30):
I tried to do it two years earlier. We tried
to do it in twenty twenty. I work in the fall,
so falls kind of off the table and the venue.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
We kind of had to but we knew we wanted
to have a long engagement.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well yeah we needed that.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
But you were like the youngest bachelor at ever at
the time. Didn't she get engaged twenty five five?

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah? I think you were the youngest at that point.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, Jojo and I started the trend that everybody hated
because I was what twenty five turning twenty six or
twenty six years building?

Speaker 7 (36:59):
Is?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
It was?

Speaker 7 (36:59):
Ay, it's like a batcheler was like thirty something.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Right, Yeah, and then we got really young, like it
went young and then they had to like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Really work ari that they're ari in there.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Like the age back. I think it's so fun that
you did it, Jojo. So you're confused, Oh, I knowing
you this is funny. So you're confused because he's acting
funny and then he does it. Is it as special
to you in that moment as you think he thought
it could be.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
It was more special to me in the moment. It
was just so real, right, it was like that funny
like having zero clue that it was going to happen,
and then just realizing this is something he's been thinking
about for a long time, and then hearing the crazy
story of.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Ott I hadn't slept.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Oh yeah, that's rr so.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
Like my flight ended up taking off Regardletts at two
forty five am. I landed in Nashville like three something,
drove rented a car, drove straight to my buddy's house
that had the ring that I'd shipped to him, grabbed
the ring, drove straight back to the airport for a
five fifteen am flight to La. Landed in La, had
to drive to the venue to make sure someone was

(38:11):
gonna be there because they bring me back, and then
drove to Becca's house to pick up Jojo. So zero
sleep at all and have to act like everything's good.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
He's is really good at day. Oh he's super sweet.
I had no idea and it was kind of it's fun, right,
like we had this cool experience getting engaged the way
we did on the show, but you didn't really get
that true, Like I'm gonna plan this engagement right, I
don't know, I'm gonna pick out the ring, and so
knowing that he did that and knowing that I got

(38:42):
to experience like.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Both, Yeah, he loves you a lot, Jojo, obviously, but
there's funny things.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's just funny, Jordan. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean, I'm sure you would do wild things for
Jojo today, like you would. You'd probably do that again
if if needed to be. But I remember that dating
season and just the links I was willing to go
for Jessica and the things I was willing to do
to make sure she knew how much I loved her,
And like the.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Airport when we saw it and that was the first
time you were going to meet her.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
I was, oh my gosh, what a time to run
into bed.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
It was wild and I'm like, what are you doing here?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
He's like, I actually been talking to this girl and
I'm going to meet her and her family, I think,
right for the first time.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, she picked me up from the airport that day.
So like it was funny because I remember calling my
buddies and be like, you'll never guess what just happened
to me, Like, what a weird time in my life.
I am getting ready to meet this girl who I
am head over heels for who we facetimed, and but
I don't know her family.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I've never met them.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And I'm in the airport and I'm freaking out because
I'm just landing literally yes seconds, I think I just
got my bags, like I was walking out the door
kind of taking a breather to be like, Okay, this
is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And then here comes Jojo and Jordan, and I'm like,
you gotta.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Be shooting me.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
Now. The first time we had really talked because only
for that iHeart thing. It was good, it was it
was a weird situation.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It was too soon, too soon, we weren't doing it,
and I was like, you got to be kidding me.
I don't know what God is telling me right now,
but something weird and I don't know how to process it.
But it all works out, and it all works out
in the end. Well before we transition here into and
thank you guys for having this conversation and being so
open about it. And it's a lot of fun to

(40:36):
talk to the two of you.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
And it also, you know, I want to say this
before we transition into something that is really exciting for
the two of you.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
The reason and I mean this.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Deeply, the reason that my time on the Bachelor is
still something that I hold. So it's such a good
season of life is in a lot large part to you, Jojo,
like you are an incredible human. One of the toughest
things after the show for me and trying to navigate
the madness, was that I had nothing but amazing things

(41:10):
to say about you.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Had been so much easier.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
If I could have been like, yeah, it's obvious why
I didn't choose Jojoe. She's crazy, she's a terrible human.
But it was the complete opposite in my life, And
so there was this weird thing where I never had
anything but amazing things to say about you because that's
how I fell, which also made it harder in these
interviews and in these conversations with Lauren, and so thank
you for being you. Thank you for being you post show,

(41:34):
and I'm so happy for the two of you. Now
just see how this whole thing plays out.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Same to you, Ben, honestly, you know how I feel
about that. I mean, you made the experience going into
the Bachelorette one that was very hopeful for me. So appreciate.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Before we do transition to the big deal. I gotta
ask you, Jojo.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
One of the coolest parts about my time on The
Bachelor was watching your friendships unfold and you mentioned Becca.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Here are you guys still close to this day?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Can you give us an update on your friendship with
Becca and what you think of her relationship with Haley
and all the stuff they're up to.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
My very best friend, right, Like, it's pretty wild that
this is somebody that I met this season the Bachelor,
who is now she's like family right to me. It's like,
we will be connected, soul sisters, if you will, for
the rest of our for our lives. But yeah, I
think that was one of the most amazing things that
came out of our season. It was our relationship. And

(42:39):
I get emotional. I don't know why when I talk
about Becca, I mean because that girl is one of
you guys. Know, She's one of the most incredible, the
most incredible human being that deserves every ounce of love
that she so freely gives to everybody in her life.
And so seeing her relationship with Haley evolve and grow

(43:02):
and to see where it is today and how much
she's grown and is able to showcase that love in
such a powerful, proud way makes me the happiest I
could ever be.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Yes. Yeah, seeing their contown and Instagram is just like, Wow,
you guys could not be cuter and more in love
After five years.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Hailey had the cutest relationship and it makes me.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
So Yeah, Hailey's so awesome. She's just really easy to
talk to you. I've only hung out with her a
number of times, but I'm so comfortable with her every time.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Amazing.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Before we do talk about your show, The Big D,
I want one question about, like, how how you guys
have become different people throughout your time together.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Jordan.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
How do you feel like Jojo has changed since you
guys got together and then vice versa.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Wow, this is a great question. Hard hitting is.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
Hard, We're tough here, changed.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Like a vault.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
Yeah, no, I think she mm hmm, but I have one.
You have it? No go no, no go, you have.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
No I will say what I think. This is a
good thing, So I don't look at me weird, I think, Jordan,
to be honest, when we first got together, it was
just it it felt so tense. I think through the
throughout the last six seven years, I have seen you
just kind of break down your walls a little bit

(44:36):
and become a softer person a little bit. I think
that you've become like more patient and more like because
it's something that I practice and preach all the time.
It's just like that patience, the kindness, that the overly
like whatever. And I think it was really hard in
the beginning to showcase that because we were in such

(44:57):
a stressful period of our life, or he was getting
a has every other day on his character, which was
so unfair to him because it was based on nothing
that I think it created this like hardness, you know,
almost to him right where it was it was harder
for him to be this softer had that softer side
come on. I it's just like night and day. And

(45:17):
that's how I think he really solved.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
I think Jojo from it's from an like her strength
and independence I think is something that I knew she
was before, but like she is so fully autonomous when
she needs to be, She is so independent, she is
so strong. I don't think she ever saw that in herself,
and I think that was a progression of seeing her

(45:43):
believe how self sufficient she is and can be, both
in business, both in a relationship and friendships with who
she is. So I feel like I've seen her really
become who I saw her and see herself that way.
And I think that's an evolution of like believing in
yourself of trusting yourself confidence. But I think it's also

(46:04):
like finding your identity after this crazy thing happens, and
like who you are and who you're going to be
and what you want your life to look like and
the person you're going to be. And I think, like
I love her so much, but I've seen her grow
so much in that as a as a human being.
That's the biggest change because she was always like she
is the most selfless, loving person in the world. That
never changed. Like even me when I was being an

(46:25):
a hole and I'm stubborn early on, like she still
loved me. Me I'm a little more stubborn. I don't
need to talk to you today. She's not that way
like she is. She is just so forgiving and such
a lover. She was always that person. But I've definitely
seen her become a stronger, independent, more confident woman in
every aspect, like our relationship, but also just as a
business woman. Yeah, she's a boss.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Well, it's it's a great transition into the big deed
because you know, I think Jordan, you know, what Jojo
was to us was one of the things that was
kind of implanted into her head as she was on
the show. Is this guy's about his fame, right, He's
he's gonna chase fame and he's gonna do this and Jojo.

(47:10):
The funny part, isn't it is that was the same
thing that was being said to me about you, And yeah,
who's she going to be after this show? Now here's
something that's really cool. The two of you, I believe
could be argued to have the best individual careers post
Bachelor and Bachelorette as any couple or any person coming

(47:31):
off with the franchise. You've made names for yourselves outside
of it. Now you've done it, though without seeking the fame.
There's never been once where I've been like, you aren't
out there, you know, in the club and the red
carpets and all these parties, just to be seen and
to be known. You're doing it because you're both really
good at it, you're both pros at it, and you
should be doing it. And I said, okay, you obviously

(47:53):
were gonna get famous after the show. You guys are
huge personalities and great at what you do, but you've
just done it really well and you've hand it really well,
and I think the Big D is a representation of that.
Can you just tell us a little bit about why
you said yes to this project? And George, I would
love to know within that as you explained it, was
there ever hesitancy in your life knowing that JoJo's you know,

(48:14):
told you're gonna be about fame and now you are
on TV right you are hosting shows?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Was there ever like that?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I don't want to do this because I don't want
to prove them, you know, right at some level.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And how you navigated that mentally, the think's tough.

Speaker 7 (48:30):
Like I think early on we both got into back
into doing what we loved right after the show, and
then we found out very early on, not just like
renovating a house together or not not on TV, not
on anything, just like putting each other in stressful situations
and working together. We found out that that worked really
well and we actually enjoyed it so like the fact
that we got to do it on TV, like we
love working together and we weren't sure the very first

(48:51):
show we ever filmed together. We're kind of like, this
is either going to be really fun or it's gonna
be kind of tough, because like it's different to work
where there's pressure to deliver, to study lines, to do
things like that, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't,
even for good and bad relationships. But was unique when
we got this idea of the show The Big D
quick premise. It is divorce couples, whether a few months,

(49:13):
few years, decade, haven't talked together, no relationship, have a relationship.
Divorce couples move into a villa together and they're looking
for love again, whether that's they're looking to date other
people or maybe they would like to rekindle the relationship.
They're looking to find that connection, work on themselves and
see what happens. And so we're kin, yeah, and so

(49:33):
we were kind of like at a time like, well,
we're not divorce, We're actually about to get married, like
you know, like what are we doing? And then we
kind of sat back and go, you know what's interesting
about us, all of us on here, is that we
know what it's like to fall in love on TV,
and we know that it actually can be real, like
as crazy as that sounds, it can happen, and I
think there was. There's reality shows, dating shows about everything.

(49:56):
I don't think there's one that's really focused on divorce
because a lot of times it's it's a negative stereotype,
it's a taboo subject. It means the end of love,
not the beginning. That's we want to break that.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
And I will say, right, it is kind of weird.
And to Jordan's point, that was a unique part of
this show because we hadn't seen that, seen that been,
haven't seen that done? Yeah, oh wow, it's been a
long day. But I will say, you know, no one
gets married to get a divorce. No one does. No
one ever has that a part of the plan. And

(50:26):
so the six couples that are on the Big Deal,
they all got married. Never in a million years thought
it would end in a divorce, right. They all wanted
this a perfect relationship. Some got married really young, some
got married during the pandemic. There was a lot of
different right before the pandemic, it wasn't that okay anyways,
They all wanted their relationships to flourish and thrive, and

(50:48):
unfortunately it didn't. And the reality is, sometimes it doesn't
work out, but that doesn't mean that you have to
give up on love and there can be hope after heartbreak.
And obviously we can't speak to being divorced because we
had just got we just got married. But I do
think that there was an element of this show which
really drew me to it. It's seeing people that like

(51:09):
really needed that closure, that were really broken from the past,
and we're just stuck not being able to move on.
And I know, you know, for me, even just to
break up after the show, right, like, all you want
is to be able to open your heart again, to
find something new, and we were obviously able to do that.
So that was something that we were able to speak to.
And obviously it's dramatic, it's juicy. I'm not going to
sugarcoat that this happened.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
There's actually there's there's two parts of the show that
Bachelorette fans, Bachelor Bachelrette fans and you guys are think
what drawed me to it is, I think is interesting.
The first is that when we go on these shows
as single people, the Bachelor Bacherette, you can kind of
be who you want to be, right Joe just not
able to fact I tell her, like I make this

(51:51):
much money, or I'm easy going, I don't stress, I
super you know, I don't golf five days a week.
You know, you can be who you want to be
until they find out out on this show. On this show,
the big dealing directly going no, no, no no. He has
an attitude, he yells, he golfs five days a week.
You know what I mean. So you have to be authentic.

(52:12):
Your worst is out there. And so what was interesting
about this is true connections formed quickly because going into it,
you knew all you know, all the bad things. All
you could do is talk to the X that's sitting
in the chair next to you. And the other thing
that I think is so interesting and I wish we
would have had this is we have a relationship expert
on the show, doctor Jada Jackson. She's amazing. We put

(52:32):
them through exercises, communication, things, working on things, problem solving,
but they're also able to have an unbiased opinion to
talk to somebody about, Wait, we got divorced because we
couldn't do X.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Y and Z.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
What are the tools that we needed? So they can
either fix those things and go, maybe we can do
this again because we actually are armed with the tools
make this relationship work, or maybe the go okay, now
I know how to be better for the next relationship,
and then a new one can start. So those two
things make this really unique.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I gotta tell you guys, it's really and I hope
you watch the show because it's so The interesting, funniest
part of this whole thing is like every dynamic of
these ex couples it's so different.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
You have two individuals who were married, ones that are
like they show up on the beach and they're like,
stay out of my way, get out of my face,
single this and that. You have one that's like really
wanting to fight for the relationship, the other one that's
like no, goodbye, and all these different dynamics. You start
to see them change. It's not all of them, but
you start to see some of them evolve. You start

(53:34):
seeing the one that thought they would never take a
second look at their ex husband or ex wife again
being like, wait a second, is this really over? It's crazy?

Speaker 5 (53:43):
This is so fun.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Final, right, it's not something that you take.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
So is the goal to get uh?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean, I guess as hosts, is the goal for
the two of you to get couples who have gone
through divorce back together, or is the goal just to
see everybody find love again or open back up, like
what's your kind of what was your mindset?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And helping them navigate this.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I think for us, like we there's obviously reasons why
people get a divorce, right, Sometimes it just really isn't
the right relationship for you, right. So this was never
about trying to force people back together. It was more
so hoping that they are able to open their heart
up again to love, because all these people come in

(54:27):
saying that they haven't been able to move on from
the past for one reason or another, or maybe find,
you know, whatever it is that they're looking for. So
it's really the goal is to end with one relation,
one relationship, like a committed couple, whether that's a rekindled
love or it's a new love. But it's really about closure,
moving on from the past, letting go of the baggage

(54:48):
that was stopping you from moving forward, whichever direction that is.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Where can we watch this and when?

Speaker 7 (54:56):
So it's going to be on USA Network. It'll be
next Wednesday, June fourteenth. It actually airs right after Temptation Island.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
We're big t Oh so perfect.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
And it's on Peacock the next day so you can
stream it out as well.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
This is really exciting.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
This isday on Wednesday on.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Day Yeah, this is uh, this is exciting.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I think this show will be really uh, really fun
to watch and really exciting to watch the two if
you do this again, you guys are pros. You're great
at what you do. Jordan, I'm a big fan of you.
I watch you on Saturdays. I appreciate just follow along
getting prepped for well my day on the couch. You
I always laugh, you gotta work, and I'm sitting on

(55:40):
the couch like chilling being like.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
I think jell for those games so I can't.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, you're doing all right, and Jojo is so good
to talk to you again, to catch up with you,
to break down all the madness of the last you know,
seven years of life. Our twenties are mid twenties into
our thirties. I mean so much, o, guys, and I
don't want to uh to not bring up once again

(56:07):
that the two of you saw me two minutes before
meeting my now wife.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
In personal something right that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
As a god well man, I don't know what. Yeah,
I mean, it means I.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Really do think that, like the past behind you, yeah,
the past behinds, but like also we always wanted the
best for each other. Yeah, whatever that looked like, that
was like so important to both of us. And I
think that we we we spoke to that every time
that we could, and so to be together now, for
you to now be married, and for us to have
that quick moment before you met your future wife, I

(56:42):
think that's a really cool thing.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
I also remember in that conversation with Ben and telling
Joe was like I really like him. Yeah, And I
think that was important for me, right, because like it
shows me a lot about Jose's character that she could
fall in love with someone like you, because I'm like,
I get that, Like I understand that or much rather
that be the case in someone. I'm like, wait, how
did you like this guy? I mean I came a
wait for them, Like, I get it, Like I really

(57:04):
like Ben. I remember telling you that because that was
our first time really talking. So I think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
It is, yeah, it is, well, it was great to
see you know it is. It's just so wild. I
think back and then and I remember getting in the
car with Jessica. I think, oh, she felt jump in
the car with Jessica and I'm like, I just ran
into Jojo and Jordan. She's like, who are they? And
I'm like, oh goodness, I just got to sit for
a second. It's good to see you. It's nice, nice

(57:30):
to meet you. Well, you guys are great. Thanks for
coming on bish the Best with the Big D again.
It's airing Wednesday, June fourteenth on the USA Network. Please
tune in and check it out. If you're a tempty,
you can just keep the TV going. And if not
and you want to watch it the next day, as
they said, it's going to be on Peacock streaming, so
you can tune in there. Jojo and Jordan, thanks for

(57:52):
joining the almost famous podcast. It's great to have you guys.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Love you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, without it being awkward, I love the two of you.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
Good way so well's I can get a text for
the next golf trip. You know, I got my.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Statement in oh are you in?

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Because I was literally going to say, now you guys
can play off together.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Hey, I wasn't. I wasn't watching this, but it is
always here a.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
Couple of two great courses in Puerto Rico. If he
gets need a little away time like down.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I would Jordan.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
You are going to get a text then, because we
were to meet up, but we're going to play golf.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
You're going to get a text, Okay, okay, Yeah, that
sounds good. The Puerto Rican idea is more at my
alley like on the beach.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
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