September 30, 2021 • 49 mins
The Bachelor has a new host! What do you think about Jesse Palmer?? Ben finally reveals the truth about how close he came to stepping into the host role himself.
Dr. Joe Park joins Ben and Ashley to spill all about his brief but dramatic stay in Paradise. Find out all the juicy details of what happened when the cameras weren’t rolling!
And Dr. Joe shares the important facts about the Covid vaccine and what you need to know about the Delta variant.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. It's another episode of the Almost
Famous podcast. And hey, I want to start this thing
out by saying and reminding everybody that once again Ashley,
can Eddie and Jared are opening up a coffee shop. Uh.
And it's gonna be a bar coffee shop. It's gonna
be awesome. They're using Generous coffee. Last night, Ashley, and
this is why I wanted to mention it. We had
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our Generous Ambassador calls about two hundred people across the
US that represent Generous um voluntarily and told them about
the opening of your shop. They were so pumped, so
excited for for Generous to be there. So well, thank you.
We're excited. Your girls are coming out, your reps are
coming out to teach us how to make some specialty
coffees next week, stuff that you serve out in Denver.
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We're very excited. We I'm excited to taste test and yeah,
they're gonna be great. And they're pumped for two. So
the Generous team is going to show up in Rhode
Island for this big, big deal. Uh. All right, let's
dive into it. Um. We obviously got Dr Joe coming
on here in just a second. We're gonna spend a
lot of time with him to day, talking everything Paradise,
everything COVID, getting his advice and insight into all the
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crazy stuff happening in Paradise and also in the world
that we live in the day. But Ashley, Um, huge
news coming out of Bachelor Nation. We have a new
host for The Bachelor, Jesse Palmer was announced. Actually, just
take it away. What are your thoughts? Okay, well, um,
I heard this rumor last week and I thought, Okay,
(01:28):
that'll work. I mean, he definitely is like the most
natural fit if we're going to like god, I can't
even use the word replace, but like, if we're going
to have a Chris Harrison like figure, he works very
much in that place. Um, I don't think Chris Harrison
can be replaced. I think he will always be missed
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as part of this franchise. I asked people on Twitter,
you know, how are you feeling about this choice. So
many of the people say like, oh, it's not Chris,
It's not Chris, And a lot of people are saying
it's not well because a lot of people wanted it
to be wells after this season of Paradise Um. But overall,
I don't see any like real negativity towards it. Not
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you know, some people are like, oh, they're just putting
another They're just putting somebody just so much like Chris
into the role um. But I don't really have I
don't personally. I just feel like it kind of fits.
I'm cool with it. How are you? I'm not like, Oh,
I mean, I think he's the sweetest guy. We had
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him on the podcast. I really like him. I think
he's great at what he does. I think he'll feel
like a very natural fit. It's not going to feel
weird to have him there. What do you think. I
think he'd be a terrible host of the Senior Citizen
Bachelor's show. And that's why they need because that is
your role. Now, that's your job, you know. I think
it's it's actually more surprising to me, not because of Jesse.
(02:55):
Like Jesse has been really nice to us. I've been
in a few events with him. He obviously has a
lot of history hosting different things, Like he's really you know,
gone across the board from sports to daytime talk to uh,
you know, Good Morning America to Uh, you know, he's
really is really well versed in the hosting space. I
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think there's a few things that are surprised me. One person.
I have to get off my chest, I hope at
this point now, my biggest criticism has always been from
the public that they're grooming me to replace Chris Harrison,
that I'm just their golden boy, that they're always going
to try to groom to be the next Chris Harrison.
I hope at this point that conversation is done. Like
it's never been the case. It is just kind of
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You are also a very natural seeming fit. I don't
think anybody would have thought it was weird if you
were chosen. I think a lot. I actually think there
have been more excitement about it because you are like
more quote relevant in Bachelor Nation Now. A lot of
people don't even know that Jesse came from the franchise
because he was the Bachelor back in two thousand four.
(03:58):
I mean you were the actor. Gosh, like even a
decade beyond that. Yeah, I would have loved to see
you be the host, even if that meant you had
to take a break from the podcast. Yeah. Never, I'm
not leaving. But I also feel like you were just
about to say that you want that narrative to die. Yeah, Well,
(04:19):
I mean I just I think it's I think it
was unfair because it was just never the case. Now
I am surprised. Now let me say this too. I
am surprised that Wells was not the chosen choice. I
think he would have. Wasn't really never in the running.
They never called you about it, they never picked your brain. No,
this is a good headline. No, I was never. I
never got the call. I'm actually semi surprised they did. Didn't,
(04:39):
like kind of okay, good, I'm glad you're surprised. Well
I just thought like, hey, they would have like called
and been like do you have all interest in this?
Like what do you think? Um? But I never got
a phone call, like, not even a hint, not even
a text. Um. And so I don't even that says
that they've known it's Jesse for a long time. Uh. Again,
this is nothing against Jesse. I am surprised it wasn't Wells.
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I think Wells has done a terrific job in Paradise.
I think he has worked really hard in Paradise. Like
I don't think people realize just how much he does
as a bartender in Paradise for very little pay. Um,
maybe he will be the Paradise host. I still think
that's a possibility, and I think it would be a
good choice. Was gonna say it makes sense to me?
(05:20):
Is the Paradise host? It would make sense to me. Um,
I don't think this. Yeah, I think I'm with you
where it's like, okay, I mean, it's just not it's
not a shake up, you know, it's not the new trajectory.
It is. It is replacing Chris, and that's hard to do.
I think Jesse's shoes are going to be massive to fill.
I think it's gonna be really hard for him to do.
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I think Caitlin and Tasia kind of had the benefit
of the doubt because they've been on the show before,
and I think people were just like intrigued by how
they would navigate it, and they both weren't professional hosts necessarily,
and so people kind of were just like, let's just
see if they have fun with it, and they did.
I'm not mad at it. I'm not. I don't think
it's like a I don't think it's like, oh my gosh,
it's a terrible choice. I don't see the criticism right
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now being about Jesse. I just think it's like, okay,
like cool, Yeah, I like had like very little reaction.
I was like, I'm fine with that. Sure. I wonder
who they did call, Like I wonder if Robin. I
thought Robin Roberts would have been in a terrific replacement.
So what I was just going to ask you who
was like your lofty dream host that you were like,
that person is probably not gonna do it, but I
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think they'd be great. So my choice is Michael Strahan. Yeah,
so mine's Robin Roberts. I think Robin Roberts. I've met
her personally many times. She's always been incredibly intentional about
conversations when when I'm on Good Morning America, She's calmed
my nerves when I've been nervous on Good Morning America. Um,
she like has she knew about my coffee without ever
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being a focus on the show. She asked me about
Generous Coffee and how it was going, and she just said, hey,
I'm really it's like really cool to see what you're doing.
Like she knew all this, And I was just like
that that's who you want as a host, Like you
want that character or that person to care outside the
show just as much as they do on the show.
And so like my lofty goals like Robin Roberts incredible
host of The Bachelor, cool mine miss Michael Strayhan for
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a very similar reason. Is it's funny that they're both
the g M A host. Uh. He's so warm and
I think that he can have those like heart to
heart conversations without being weird. I feel like he would
have brought a little humor to the show, a little lightheartedness,
but not like overdoing it. And he is that he's
so personal, Like when we've been on Good Morning America,
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I'm like, I can't believe that one. I mean giants fans,
So this is like even cooler for me. But like
he'll come in the backstage area and he'll like hang
for a little while just with the guests, and then
he remembers us and we're just like these Bachelor people,
you know, so like I'm not like a celebrity to
be remembered, and then um, he like FaceTime to my
(07:55):
friend backstage. He's just so warm and cool, and that
would have been awesome. But but again, that man is
so freaking busy. It wouldn't have been at all on
his agenda to even consider money speaks who knows. Um,
But no, I think those are two good choices. Yeah. Again,
Jesse's been great to us. He's a super nice guy.
I know we'll have him on the podcast now as
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the new host of the show. Nothing against him. I'm
just a little surprised with the choice. Uh, it's I
think it threw me off. And I'm like, okay, like,
let's let's see how it works. Um and uh and
we'll see how he does. And I'm sure he'll do fine,
um at this hosting role. I just expected a little
more of a shake up, uh as as we kind
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of got this like new opportunity to shake it up
and uh and so yeah, well we'll wait and see. Well,
one other big headline of the week, as we mentioned before,
m Michelle's Young's women have been revealed. We're gonna break
those down on a whole separate podcast, a very special
episode here coming up after parad What I said, Oh gosh,
(09:01):
well it's been a long day. Anyways, Michelle Young's men
have been revealed, So we will talk about that. Actually,
I will break it down, uh here in an upcoming episode,
so just stay tuned. Um, maybe do your research beforehand.
Send us in your thoughts, your questions, your concerns. Um,
it feels like it's going to be a crazy season. Uh,
and it sounds like Michelle does a great job as
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the lead. Yeah, I'm excited to see it's gonna come.
If it's going to be here before we know it.
All right, well let's get Mr Joe park On. He's
in our waiting room. We'll be right back. Al right, guys,
(09:45):
Well we have a doctor Joe On, none of our
favor one of our figures. Hey, Dr Joe, Hi Joe,
Just what are you calling one again? Call me whatever
you want. We've met now three times. So Joe is fine.
But I guess like you have to differentiate yourself from
Grocery Store Joe. So like, uh, that's fair. You know,
(10:07):
he came first, so I'll defer to him whatever he
wants to go by, and he wants me to go by.
I'm good at whatever. It's funny because he comes with
an official title as well, Grocery Star. That's true GSJ now,
but I think it's now transition to g s J.
He just goes straight. Yeah, he's he's got another echelon
(10:27):
of bachelor, the bachelor credibility, where he's just initials. I
feel like that's when you really branded yourself well, is
when you can start with something and you drop it
and people still know what it refers as. That's cool.
Good for him. Okay, So Joe, I asked my Twitter following, well,
actually I don't know if I should get into this
real quick, but like, let's let's do it anyway. Your
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Bachelor in Paradise experienced was sort of short lived. Uh
got no right off the bat any desire like do
they want you to come early on or could you
for work reasons not take off long enough. We really
thought that you should be part of the original cast. Um.
So obviously these decisions are not made by me. UM.
(11:13):
This Bachelor machine is very well oiled. They know what
they're doing, and I trusted that process for sure. UM.
They had told me a couple of times say maybe
this day, maybe this day, you'll be on UM, but
again I trust UM the people in charge. They again
(11:34):
do a fantastic job, and they thought at certain points
the timing wasn't right, and so I came on when
they thought it was the best time. They thought it
was the best time for me to be on saying,
so you could have gone in earlier. Yeah, you don't
have to get too far into I just wonder, like,
now that you say that, just how much because it
does make sense, like if they held you back because
(11:56):
of what was going on in Brendan, Like they're just
like like this feels like throwing Joe and like the
firing squad, and like we don't really I want to
do this to this guy. Um, that's just an interesting
thought now, Joe. UM question for you, because it's always
been intriguing to me, What in the world do you
do for twelve days in quarantine in a hotel room,
(12:17):
like without knowing when you're going to be released, Like say,
it's not all COVID quarantine at that point, that is
just what we call being stuck in the hotel room. Um.
So the first one or two days I was just
kind of getting my bearings, but actually ended up being
(12:38):
a really really great time. I read three books, I
practiced my Spanish lot there was we had Spanish television
that was available, so I was brushed up with my Spanish.
Actually made a folded um a bunch of paper hearts.
I folded about a hundred and twelve paper hearts. Yeah. Uh,
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I learned every country of the world and most of
their capitals. So I stretched a lot of worked out
three times a day. Um, it was very and it
was it was so peaceful. It was great. I played
the ukulele. I bought one right before and I learned it.
So it was it was smart smart. This is not
everybody's quarantine. I'd be like, I ate, I watched TV,
(13:22):
I tanned, mapped, I ate a lot of guacamole as well. Though,
so I'm I'm we're on the same page. But but yeah,
I mean there's only so much you can do without
a phone and uh internet, So it was but yeah,
and once you got into the routine, um it was.
It was really nice to wake up and have you know,
(13:43):
the kind of things and do check list of things
to do. Well, that's uh, yeah, your quarantine didn't look
like everybody else's. Let's just say that I'd love to
get the Bachelor franchise that much credit. And so I
can imagine that each one of these people were doing that. No,
that wasn't happening. Joe, we have a lot to talk
about with you today, especially around on UM the vaccine
and your thoughts on it and then COVID. You've had COVID,
(14:05):
but you know, obviously as well, people are gonna be
very interested in your in your Bachelor in Paradise story. Yeah,
if you're honest, like no holds bar were you are.
Do you feel like your Bachelor in Paradise UM journey
was a success? Do you feel like it kind of
missed the mark? Do you feel disappointed? And let me
preface this by saying, actually never said we didn't see
(14:27):
more of you. UM, So we would call it a
disappointment from a viewer standpoint, because we want to see
more of you. But for you personally, how was it? UM?
I would say it was it was semi sweet, like
like a semi sweet chocolate. It wasn't though I'm I'm
grateful for the opportunity. I've been there, and UM I
(14:49):
did UM have moments where I had some really good
conversations with Natasha. UM. I was happy to see everyone again,
producers production. There are a couple of sound guys who
U I had seen the first time, and so in
that respect, it was great, UM. But obviously I was
hoping to find something real, and I was really hoping,
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you know, I went in with a lot of hope,
and especially after quarantining for twelve days. I think it's
really natural that the more univest, the more expectation. Maybe
that's unfair, but I did have more expectation going in UM,
thinking that this would be a right situation to be
something down the pipe. And I don't blame anyone for it.
It's it was really just a situation that was difficult
(15:35):
for everybody. And but that said I would I'm I
don't regret going, but it was not um. It wasn't
the best experience, to put it that way. So I
remember when we kind of tried to pry a little
bit and we asked you who you'd want to go
(15:56):
down to Bachelor in Paradise and hang out with, and
we met rome antically, but you kind of, like, you know,
took it in a very peasy, you know, very pr
friendly way, and you said you want to go and
hang out with Brendan. So your friendship with Brendan, uh,
it played lots of roles. I guess my biggest question
(16:18):
as far as that is, if you had known that
Natasha was so entangled with him prior to asking her
on the date? Would you have still asked her? It was,
that's a great question. There was when I got there, Um,
it was such an interesting scenario. There were people, the
way I put it to people, there were people who
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were in relationships already or quote uncot relationships. I didn't
know how Bachelor Paradise were really, I didn't know how
off and on, how cold things were. But I got
there and I talked to Kendall and she was obviously
not in a great place, and we actually a really
fun conversation. I had bought her book the day before
I left for quarantine and read a bit of it.
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We had some fun conversations about crabs. But clearly she
was on the right place um during conversation and for
understandably so touching Natasha and she was still a beach
was breezy. She said. Her time there wasn't. Um, it
wasn't great beforehand, no details, no names, was just hey,
I had a rough go thus far, but I'm still
(17:23):
hopeful and ready to make this work. Something happened, waiting
ready for something to happen. Um, So it's hard. So
there were either people who were already very much in
or in a quote uncrelationship or like birds with broken
wings and they're trying to fly, they're doing the best
they can. They're hopping around. They got little but they
got a little crutch and they were just doing the
(17:44):
best they could. And some people put on stronger faces
and braver faces. Um. And again that's commendable, and Natasha
definitely did that, and it was so commendable, especially after
everything she went through. But it's a good question. I
don't know, I don't know. I'm not sure, um, what
I would have done at that time. In fairness, I
(18:05):
have a personal question for you because I think your
thoughts are gonna be um wise. But you know, obviously
you go on the state with Natasha, she brings up
that the person that you wanted to see in Paradise,
Brendan Um had you know, they had their situation. Uh,
And obviously the public really jumped onto that, and you
(18:27):
kind of all of a sudden, we're thrown into the
middle of it without even knowing you're gonna get thrown
in the middle of it. Well, Paradise is now over
everybody's home. We've seen it play out. Paradise is over
for everybody. But for you, it is, how are you
if you agree or disagree with Brendan's decisions now that
you've seen him, how are you being a good friend
to him? Now? What kind of friend can you be
in this moment while you know, if people agree to disagree,
(18:50):
you're still a friend. I would imagine, Um, that's a
really good question. And I when I got back, you know, well,
while I was in quantry, obviously we don't know anything
that happened before, and I had heard the Natasha not everything,
bits and pieces, and I think that's also, um, a
really great of her. She didn't want to completely uh
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talk about Brendan, but that second half of the day
it really was dominated by her time beforehand and the
ways in which she had been hurt during her time
of practors prior to me getting there. And to be honest,
at that time, my reaction, uh, when I said my Brendon,
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it was half uh, it was it was having credulous
and it was half there are the Brendans there. There
wasn't Brendan Quinn that I had known about the season before,
So I was just speaking short, we're on the same
page here, and and at that time it really was
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somebody who had just met who I did believe what
she said, but it was it was talking about somebody
who I had grown close with, who I got close
to obviously on the first, the first go around on
the Bachelorette. Now I have seen and spoken to many
times thereafter, and in my head I really wanted I
(20:15):
wish I could hear his side. And when I got
back home, I did hear a side. Obviously didn't see
everything that happened, but before the season aired, I heard
his side, and at that point, again I was still
very I wasn't sure what to think. Because I'd heard
her side, I would heard his side. And then obviously,
like everyone else, UM, I saw bits and pieces, the
(20:40):
salient pieces of the first few episodes where what transpired
between them was aired. And I can't condone anything he did. Um.
He was manipulative, he lied, UM, he gaslet, and I
(21:01):
think it was set on the show the the pillowed.
One thing you can't do is potentially show up on
this show with something already happening that obviates the whole process.
And if I were a viewer, uh, and that's all
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I knew of him on TV, I would I think
he's a terrible human being and really seek for everything
he did, and what he did was period. The difference
in my situation is I I've met his family. I
know him to be a good friend. I know him
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to be a good son, I know him to be
a good uncle. UM. I know him on all these facets.
I know him to be the guy who drove an
hour when he was based in New York to my hospital,
gave out water for two hours to all the healthcare
workers in the freezing cold. Him and Kenny came by
and then drove an our back just just to do that.
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I know him to be the youth basketball coach who
gives his time to coach basketball. And so I don't
agree with anything he did, and I he knows we've
talked and he knows how I feel about um, how
he acted. But I knowing the man that I know UM,
the amount of time I've done him and the conversations
(22:28):
we've had, I do think and I believe that he
has learned a lot and that he can change and
he's starting, he's realizing and he can learn from this.
And though he's in this storm, this awful storm that
he himself created, I do. I will stand next to
him through this storm, and I won't shiel him from it,
(22:53):
but I'll just be like, hey, i'm, i'm, I'm, I'm.
He's still here for you if you need me. Um,
and hopefully you know again, you'll learn from this. But
but yeah, it's definitely not easy for him, and I
do think he's learning from it. No, No, that was great. UM.
I am just curious. What do you think it is
about the show that makes good people go bad? Um?
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I will say I think without question, there is a
potential reward for being on the national television. There is
a golden This is a potentially a golden ticket for
a lot of people, uh ads and um sponsorships and
all these things that we see so so uh frequently
(23:44):
after the show. You know, everyone's in a coupon cod
swipe up bad you know, click this link, click that link.
Podcast and so podcast just the lowest of the low.
But so, I do think it is a when there's
there's yourself in the self into this, in these incentives
in place, it's going to lead to people trying to
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cheat this game. And even when they're not cheating the game,
I don't think it's crazy to think that a lot
of people are there because they of secondary game. That maybe,
and this is just one man's opinion, that maybe everyone
isn't there justifying love them. Maybe they're also thinking about
the Instagram following, about how much they can make or
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what can come out of it thereafter. So I think
that's what makes people go bad. I think it's just
the incentive structure of the show, you know, just being
real here. Yeah, well, um, you held your own man.
You came into it, Yes it was quick. Yes, we
here feel like it wasn't enough. Um, but you exited
out on a on a high note. Um, you held
(24:51):
your own and uh and I think for that, uh,
we were happy about it. Um. We don't want to
see a good guy like you go bad, and you didn't.
But before we move on, I do have to have
two more paradise questions for you, if you don't mind. Okay,
on TV, it seemed it seems so abrupt that your
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date went from being great and by the way, I
love the speaking Spanish to her, loved the I'm gonna
switch drinks because there's a bug in yours move. It
was so cute. You're such a perfect gentleman. And then
all of a sudden, the Brendan thing came up and
like the tables turned. But I'm assuming that in real
life it was probably a two was it a two
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hour ishul sit down day? And well just hour and
a half and then like on TV, we just saw
it go sour real quick. How was it that abrupt
that you was started having second thoughts about her because
of the Brendan twitch. I I when I watched it,
I watched it um with friends, and it really does
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take you back to your mind space because I was
I saw it for the first time when everyone else
saw it, and my I think everyone thought second thoughts.
But it wasn't second thoughts per se. I could tell
when she had started really going into it that she
it really did hurt her. And it's just my way.
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And I felt the same way about Kendall because I wasn't,
especially after reading your book, I was interested in her.
You and Kendall seemed to make a lot of sense.
Just no and you both a little you know, um,
but when somebody is hurt, my first instinct not to think, oh,
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here's my chance, like let's make my move. I just
wanted to say, hey, I don't know if you have
anyone else out out there in the beast, I don't know.
They're in their own relationships, their own they're in their
own space, trying to make things work. I wanted first
and foremost. I know it's a TV show. I know
it's bass from Paradise and people are there to find love,
but I still can't turn off that part of me.
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It's like, Hey, I want you to be okay as
a person. I want you to be like good and
I want you to know that, like relationally or unrelationally,
that uh, I am a safe place for you, like period,
like I'm if you want to talk about it, we
can talk about it. And so at the end of
the day, I remember, I don't remember saying it, but
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then I watched it. I was saying hey, like I'll
be here, You'll be here. That really was me trying
to say hey. And I told her also that wasn't aired.
I said, Hey, we'll also both be in New York.
You know, both in New York. I can't wait until
we because obviously people are different on camera. Some people
are different camera than they are off camera. I meant
to say, hey, when you're ready, because you literally just
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got through this eight hours ago. You just went through this,
this storm of this redemption roase. It was the same day,
you know, because the road sun't happened early in the morning.
It's just me, this me saying, hey, like, I don't
want to push this forward. When you're ready, I'm here.
You're here, and when you're comfortable and you feel like
you're able to kind of regroup and form that connection again,
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I'm here for you and I'll be here and I
don't want to again make you uncomfortable by, you know,
all of a sudden trying to kiss you and be
overly touchy. And that's what that was. It wasn't I mean,
the touch is beautiful, and she's intelligent, and she's funny,
and she's very mature, and I just didn't want to
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form a foundation on something that was um where she's
in such a hard place emotionally. And that's why interviews
like these are great. We get to learn more about
the situation. I also just gotta know, Um, you are
such close friends with Brendan that, like you must have
known that he had a prior relationship with Piper. Did
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you ever think, like, hey, dude, maybe he should chill
this out if you're both going to paradise, because you
may get in trouble. So I hung out with them
in group settings A lot of us, you know, just
you know, it's a lot of people did, but a
lot of people held a lot of people in group settings.
And that's true for like I find out Abigail a lot. Um,
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I finding out Chelsea a lot. I find out Serena
a lot. I've hung out with Piper a lot. And
they existed in group settings all the time. I was
there when they first met. We all met the same time.
So I don't think. I don't think they were in
a full on relationship at least before. I mean, I
hadn't seen Brendan for three two or three months prior
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to the filming, I believe, um, And I wasn't obviously.
I saw the pictures online. Um, I saw like a
sweekly article, you know, popsible on Instagram feed. But I
didn't think they were in like an exclusive, exclusive relationship.
And I don't. I still I'm not sure if they
were in fairness, um so if they did have a
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plan obviously, so really it went very poorly and they
shouldn't have done it. But again. I'm telling you, we
all it's a small, small, vast nation world. After all,
we all hang out. It's just we haven't all made out.
But well, a lot of people, very important, very important distinction. Yeah, yeah,
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a lot of people have made out. Let's not let's
not ignore that either. Um me, yeah, we were just
talking about that Actuley and I are texting this weekend.
A lot of people are out in New York City
at a at a concert, and uh, we're texting. I
was like, did I did? I missed the invite? Like
I didn't get invited anymore. And She's like, I don't
know if if we get invited this stuff anymore. It's like,
you know what, I don't know if I'm mad about it.
Like I have a pretty good, big going I was
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in bed at eight thirty on Friday, so pretty pretty
pumped about that. Um all right, well, Joe, thanks for
your honesty, thanks for your openness. We're not done with
you yet. We gotta talk covid um, booster shots, the vaccine,
everything medically around, all of that here in just a second.
But it's take a break and we're gonna come back
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with doctor Joe. He's gonna put his doctor hat on
now it's not his paradise hat, and teach us. Yeah,
please do yeah, yeah, all right, Dr Joe, you just
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broke down paradise with us. It's time now to talk
to us about and hopefully educate us on the vaccine. Uh.
You know, there's a lot of things going on. I
just want to start with this. I um, yeah, I
am vaccinated, um, fully vaccinated. That was a choice I made.
But I have a lot of friends, uh that are
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are not vaccinated, and there's a few things that I
want to start out with. It was just asking you
some questions that they've asked me because I can't answer them.
They saying, hey, why would I get vaccinated if I'm
still gonna get covid? Uh, that doesn't make sense to
me because that has happened in our friend group. Somebody
has been fully vaccinated, gotten COVID and gotten covid pretty bad.
They're sick for a while. So um, that was the
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first question that I want to ask you, is why
would you get vaccinated if you can still get covid. Um.
That's a great question, is a very fair question and
a question that a lot of people have asked. So
the big thing is the delta variants going around, and
though it's possible they come break through infections, they are
still exceedingly rare. Nine day percent of infections COVID infections
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are from people who have not had any formula vaccine,
So although there are anecdotal cases, they are exceedingly rare
and much obviously much much much rarer if you have
a vaccine. Secondly, the fact that your friend had it
pretty bad is also exceedingly rare. Next to nobody is
hospitalized even if you get it, so now one, it's
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rare that you get it. To to be hospitalized is
almost unseen. And then that's very different than people who
are unvaccinated. People are unvaccinated still have much much higher
rates of getting severe disease and being hospitalized from the disease.
And so in that way, again, uh, the chance and
you're getting it is uh significantly diminished, and also severe
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disease and hospitation significantly diminished. Um And also kind of
as a corollary to that, a lot of your friends
and a lot of our friends probably are around the
same age, young adults who honestly would probably do um
okay health wise because they are healthy already, but their
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parents might not, and their coworkers might not, and other
people who are at risk may not. So even that
for yourself, for your community, for your loved ones, for
all those reasons. Uh, it is a good idea to
get vaccinated. UM. And by the way, all the the
three vaccines we use in the United States, they're all
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approved at this point for people sixting and older and
so even more reason. UM yeah, great, well appreciation. I
am getting getting so many questions from girls on Instagram.
I know you're not O, B G y N, but
so many are like are like I'm thinking we're you know,
my husband and I are trying now or I am pregnant,
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Like what did you do? I did a whole podcast
on my other podcast. I don't get it about this.
I talked to four doctors. UM. Different points of view
for sure, UM, but it was cool and I always
it helped me make my decision to get it. I
actually got the shot day after we conceived, unknowing, and
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then I waited until sixteen weeks to get my second
dose UM just because I was so sick the first
you know, trimester. UM, But do you have anything to
say about people worried about fertility and people worried about
miscarriage or anything like that for young women. And again,
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knowing Bachelor Nation, I know that's a large percentage of
people who watched the show and who are who are
fans of the show and obviously listen to these podcasts.
I would say the American College of Obstations kind of
collegists ACOG has been very clear, and I know there's anecdotes.
I know there are opinions from one person another person,
and even different obstetricians probably will have different opinions about
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these things. But the overarching body, the rule, the governing
body of all obstetricians, say it is safe to get
the vaccine UM while you're trying to conceive, while you're pregnant,
while you're lactating and breastfeeding UM. So there are no contradications. Again,
this comes from not one person's opinion, not um anecdotal um,
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you know, incidents, but from the UH, the ruling, the
governing the official organization that oversees all of obstractions kind
of college. And so I'll defer to their recommendations on
that UM and they are very they are pretty clear,
and I would recommend anyone who's care is to go
to a COG's website, UM to get more guidance on that.
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I think it's a good question because it's it is
one that gets brought up. I have a lot of
friends that are getting getting pregnant and this has been
something kind of sitting over them, is if it's safe
or not. UM, Joey are going to play kind of
like Devil's advocate here because I think the most helpful
thing is not to come on here and say you
should do it, you should do it, but ask the
questions that everybody are asking, because I think education on
this stuff is very important. UM and and a lot
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of people have do have a lot of different opinions,
and I think at the same time that's fair. You
know a lot of people are concerned, this is confusing.
This is the first time in this you know, in
the in this generation's life that they've kind of been
asked to do something by a governing body. And so
I want to ask you, UM, why do you have
the trust in it? And I mean, obviously you are
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a doctor, so I think we can probably assume the answer,
But why do you have the trust in a governing
body to to tell the general public that they should
be vaccinated. Um, Ben, I'm so glad you bring that up.
And people are right to have these questions. They're not
dumb for having these questions or not antime. You know
people there are intelligent people ask these questions. Um. To answer,
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I would say, we have had these they are mandated.
You just don't remember the mmrs. Man, everyone's all of
us have got the MMR backs. So first of all,
it is something that we all do. We just we're
two younger babies when we got it. Um. A lot
of people get the flu shot every year. Those that's
not mandated. But um, so this is not completely out
of the blue or novel. It is something that we
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all have gone through. But obviously as an adult, it
is something that's very new. And again there are um
a lot of good, good questions out there. And I
trusted because I've read the papers. I trust the governing bodies,
the FDA to CDC, um, these people who devote their
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lives and who have done this research, whose families are
getting they're getting their families are getting it. And outside
of some crazy not crazy, but I don't I just
don't know what incentive people would have to not be
truthful about this, and so knowing the research and not
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understanding why anyone would want to lie about this. UM,
I trusted because for those reasons. UM. And again, it's
just something that we're not used to. But we've all
gone through. We've all gotten MMR and other vaccines also,
so it's just I guess we still remember it and
again as adults a lot. But um, it's not completely new.
Some people say that doctors have an incentive to have
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people get vaccinated, like there's like a monetary incentive you
guys to be proponents for it. What do you have
to say about that? Um? I if if there is,
then I'm missing out because I've not gotten any things
from it. But but no, no, there's no there's no
fiscal incentive for for doctors in any sense. Um. I
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think the incentive is we want people to be healthy.
I think the incentive is I think being a healthcare setting,
we don't want to get it, you know, we don't
want to decrease our risk of getting it, and so
UM And obviously incentive is not having to go through
what we went through. Again. I always I wish people
could like I had like a um, some sort of
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like Google glass where I could have shown what life
was like when it was really bad and how it
is now and people would just literally turn it on
whenever they want to see the people on ventilators and um, yeah,
just the scene that we all saw healthcare providers during
the height of COVID and how does now And it's
much better post vaccine in most places. Um. And again
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it's because of the vaccine, and we are all doing better,
we are all able to kind of get back to
a normal ish way of life in large part because
of the vaccine. And so UM. With the now that
it's at the approved they are off you approved, I
think there's very little reason not to get it. Um.
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And there's a great organization I'm working with called the
ad Council UM and they have a great website called
Vaccine Answers dot org that also has answers to questions
that may not be asked right now, but to answer
the very common questions that a lot of people, especially
I don't UM. So I would definitely recommend people check
that out. Okay, final question for you, This is a
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personal one for me. Okay, yeah, I you know, I
am fully vaccinated but it took me a little bit
of time because I wanted to learn about it as
best as I possibly could, um, read as much as
I possibly could understand what was being asked of me.
And then I made the personal decision again to say yes,
I I believe I need to get vaccinated. I am
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having a hard time, though, UM with the idea of
a booster I am. I I don't UM, maybe because
I don't know enough yet. I haven't learned enough yet,
I haven't read enough yet. There's not enough out there
for me to understand. Who are you at all hesitant?
Or are you all hesitant to get a booster shot?
And what would you say to somebody like me who
is hesitant to get a booster shot? Just because right
now I am not I'm lacking education in it. UM.
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And also it just feels odd to me, you know,
like to have to do that, uh And I didn't
expect to have to do that, So it's a little
bit of a shock to me personally. Sure, So right
now the booster is recommended for UM people UH six
sixty five and older who have gotten the shot at
least the second O six months ago. It's for people
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who are in settings like healthcare settings or frontline providers
of people who are going to be around a lot
of other people like teachers, who again six months later
after the second shot, these are the people who are eligible,
people who are compromised. UM. So right now it's not
necessarily recommended for people healthy people such as yourselves. UM.
But again, the research shows that antibodies wane after a
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certain period of time, and I think that is why,
and I think they the idea is that this booster
shot will decrease even those few breakthrough infections that we're having,
will help decrease even those few numbers again to reach
the herd immunity. UM. But what exactly I would ask
you is what what about it is UM is concerning
to you. Well, I can't say the booster is concerning
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to me because I don't know if it is or not.
I'd say with the first one, and maybe people call
me a win for this, UM. That's okay, I get it.
I wanted to to see how people reacted to it,
like I wanted to see what it was. I want
to understand more of like what I was agreeing to
UM and what I was putting in my body and
so part of that was understanding the research behind it,
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Understanding uh, you know, the symptoms from the shot, understanding
how people were reacting to it. And then I felt, Okay, yeah,
I can I can do this thing. You know, I
want to do this. I willingly want to do this.
But the booster I just don't know enough yet. And
that's why I want to ask you, because when I
don't know enough about some thing, I don't want to blindly,
you know, step into it. Um. And maybe that's the
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part that's most concerning is I just don't know enough.
And that's why I thought, Hey, this is a good
moment I ask a doctor. Yeah, it's um. You know,
it's the same as the other essentially the same as
the other vaccines, So if you've gotten the first two,
then it's gonna be um. You should feel about the
same after the booster. UM. And I just think, as
far as I am happy that you did your due diligence,
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your research on the vaccine and how it works, it
is not that easy to try to make a couple
of videos to show kind of simplify it a little bit. Um.
But but again, this is going to be kind of
like a like a weird. Why the kind of perspective,
But I I don't know how my car works. I
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don't know my refrigerator works. And I still trust that
the refrigerants used in refrigerator don't create a carcinogetic environment
for my food. And I think I leave that to
the experts to do that. And the people who developed
a vaccine, the people who studied it and made sure
they were safe, the doctor should administer it. Um the
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whole system around it are the same people who developed
pilonal antibiotics and and every other medication you've taken. It's
the same process that went through it. And so these
are working again similar to the Bastel nations. You have
trust the process and and and unless people have the
wherewithal too um have that medical training or that research training,
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that scientific background, it's hard to understand it. But that's
where again in this society, we just trust that our
car is gonna work, that I won't explode when we
turn the ignition on that that the engineers know enough
that when I'm on my balcony it won't fall down.
And so in the same way, I think, and again
that's not medical specific, but that's just I think, um,
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how have you? But again it's not like people our age,
you need to be going out and getting a boosters
not So let's just uh. And now I thought of
one other Why would people who already have UM the
antibodies from having actual COVID have to get the vaccine
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Because aren't the antibodies from having actual COVID even stronger
than the vaccine? So that's also another question. So the
antibody still wayne after after a period of time, and
so it's more just getting UM. And also the response,
we know how our body responds to the vaccine and
how our body responds to a natural infection is still
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it's variable, depending on a lot of things, a lot
of again like polymorphous, there's a lot of variables that
go into how we respond, our bodies responded. The vaccine
essentially is the control, but we know how ABOUTY responds
by looking at me initially now it's more than that
or initially but now it's more than that. UM people
that were that were studied in both the fives and
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EMMA during a trials, so we know that we know
how effective it is in across different ages, sexes, races, people,
different diseases, and that's not true necessary for natural infections.
And so again one antibiuze wayne depending on when you
had it, and to the reaction to the vaccine is
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more control and more studied, more understood on a wider
population versus any individual reaction. Okay, but I had chicken
pox as a first grader and now I don't have
to get it. And now I've never gotten a chicken
pox vaccine because I had it. So how is that
any different? So the type of the virus, it's a
Varicella zoster virus, it's a it's a little different. Um.
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They don't mutate nearly as quickly a coronavirus is mutate.
Let's will be one variable and the other thing about
like boosters and things that there's one man's meeting, but
I think there probably might be other boosters on the
line as coronavirus mutating. But the coronavirus is also a
very different type of virus. And so the way um
like that has a spike protein that mutates a lot,
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and so it is just how it's constructed is very different.
And so there are there are measles muns, fabella where
you can only get it. You know, you only need
it once and or maybe a booster later on if
you work in healthcare setting, but generally only need it
once because they don't need too very rapidly, and some do,
and so that's part of it. It's probably like the
flu shot, where like I've had the flu before, but
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I also get a flu shot every year because the
strain is different exactly. There. There are some types of
viruses and honestly the most successful viruses that just mutate
very quickly, and uh, they're just built different. And so yeah, also, well, Joe,
you're built different, You're built well. I'm proud of you. Man. Hey,
thanks for coming on, Thanks for asking or answering our
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tough questions. We rapid fire them at you. But I
don't know, I can't think of many guys that we'd
rather ask these questions too than you. Considering you spend
your quarantine reading, learning Spanish, playing music and working out
if that and say something about you, I don't know
what will. Hey, Dr Joe, thanks for joining Almost Famous
podcast today. We appreciate you. Thank you guys. Always a pleasure,
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always great talking to you guys, and um, yeah, thanks
so much for having me and letting me part of
your podcast. All right, everybody, that's another episode of The
Almost Famous Podcast. Thank you Dr Joe for coming on, Ashley,
it's been a pleasure. We'll talk very soon about the
next upcoming really really long episode of Paradise. I think
they said it's like three hours, which three Oh my goodness. Um,
(48:32):
But we're gonna break it down here on The Almost
Famous Podcast next week. Against stay tuned for a future
breakdown of Michelle Young's men. Uh they're her suitors have
been revealed. We're gonna break it down, talk about it,
make our first assumptions and judgments. It's always my favorite
time because I can do it and feel like I
don't get in trouble for it, because this is kind
of like a given. Anyways, it's blind. It's blind. We
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have no clue what we're talking about. Anyways, Hey, I've
been been. We'll talk soon. Follow the Ben and Ashley
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This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. It's another episode of the Almost
Famous podcast. And hey, I want to start this thing
out by saying and reminding everybody that once again Ashley,
can Eddie and Jared are opening up a coffee shop. Uh.
And it's gonna be a bar coffee shop. It's gonna
be awesome. They're using Generous coffee. Last night, Ashley, and
this is why I wanted to mention it. We had
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our Generous Ambassador calls about two hundred people across the
US that represent Generous um voluntarily and told them about
the opening of your shop. They were so pumped, so
excited for for Generous to be there. So well, thank you.
We're excited. Your girls are coming out, your reps are
coming out to teach us how to make some specialty
coffees next week, stuff that you serve out in Denver.
(00:43):
We're very excited. We I'm excited to taste test and yeah,
they're gonna be great. And they're pumped for two. So
the Generous team is going to show up in Rhode
Island for this big, big deal. Uh. All right, let's
dive into it. Um. We obviously got Dr Joe coming
on here in just a second. We're gonna spend a
lot of time with him to day, talking everything Paradise,
everything COVID, getting his advice and insight into all the
(01:06):
crazy stuff happening in Paradise and also in the world
that we live in the day. But Ashley, Um, huge
news coming out of Bachelor Nation. We have a new
host for The Bachelor, Jesse Palmer was announced. Actually, just
take it away. What are your thoughts? Okay, well, um,
I heard this rumor last week and I thought, Okay,
(01:28):
that'll work. I mean, he definitely is like the most
natural fit if we're going to like god, I can't
even use the word replace, but like, if we're going
to have a Chris Harrison like figure, he works very
much in that place. Um, I don't think Chris Harrison
can be replaced. I think he will always be missed
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as part of this franchise. I asked people on Twitter,
you know, how are you feeling about this choice. So
many of the people say like, oh, it's not Chris,
It's not Chris, And a lot of people are saying
it's not well because a lot of people wanted it
to be wells after this season of Paradise Um. But overall,
I don't see any like real negativity towards it. Not
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you know, some people are like, oh, they're just putting
another They're just putting somebody just so much like Chris
into the role um. But I don't really have I
don't personally. I just feel like it kind of fits.
I'm cool with it. How are you? I'm not like, Oh,
I mean, I think he's the sweetest guy. We had
(02:32):
him on the podcast. I really like him. I think
he's great at what he does. I think he'll feel
like a very natural fit. It's not going to feel
weird to have him there. What do you think. I
think he'd be a terrible host of the Senior Citizen
Bachelor's show. And that's why they need because that is
your role. Now, that's your job, you know. I think
it's it's actually more surprising to me, not because of Jesse.
(02:55):
Like Jesse has been really nice to us. I've been
in a few events with him. He obviously has a
lot of history hosting different things, Like he's really you know,
gone across the board from sports to daytime talk to uh,
you know, Good Morning America to Uh, you know, he's
really is really well versed in the hosting space. I
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think there's a few things that are surprised me. One person.
I have to get off my chest, I hope at
this point now, my biggest criticism has always been from
the public that they're grooming me to replace Chris Harrison,
that I'm just their golden boy, that they're always going
to try to groom to be the next Chris Harrison.
I hope at this point that conversation is done. Like
it's never been the case. It is just kind of
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You are also a very natural seeming fit. I don't
think anybody would have thought it was weird if you
were chosen. I think a lot. I actually think there
have been more excitement about it because you are like
more quote relevant in Bachelor Nation Now. A lot of
people don't even know that Jesse came from the franchise
because he was the Bachelor back in two thousand four.
(03:58):
I mean you were the actor. Gosh, like even a
decade beyond that. Yeah, I would have loved to see
you be the host, even if that meant you had
to take a break from the podcast. Yeah. Never, I'm
not leaving. But I also feel like you were just
about to say that you want that narrative to die. Yeah, Well,
(04:19):
I mean I just I think it's I think it
was unfair because it was just never the case. Now
I am surprised. Now let me say this too. I
am surprised that Wells was not the chosen choice. I
think he would have. Wasn't really never in the running.
They never called you about it, they never picked your brain. No,
this is a good headline. No, I was never. I
never got the call. I'm actually semi surprised they did. Didn't,
(04:39):
like kind of okay, good, I'm glad you're surprised. Well
I just thought like, hey, they would have like called
and been like do you have all interest in this?
Like what do you think? Um? But I never got
a phone call, like, not even a hint, not even
a text. Um. And so I don't even that says
that they've known it's Jesse for a long time. Uh. Again,
this is nothing against Jesse. I am surprised it wasn't Wells.
(05:00):
I think Wells has done a terrific job in Paradise.
I think he has worked really hard in Paradise. Like
I don't think people realize just how much he does
as a bartender in Paradise for very little pay. Um,
maybe he will be the Paradise host. I still think
that's a possibility, and I think it would be a
good choice. Was gonna say it makes sense to me?
(05:20):
Is the Paradise host? It would make sense to me. Um,
I don't think this. Yeah, I think I'm with you
where it's like, okay, I mean, it's just not it's
not a shake up, you know, it's not the new trajectory.
It is. It is replacing Chris, and that's hard to do.
I think Jesse's shoes are going to be massive to fill.
I think it's gonna be really hard for him to do.
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I think Caitlin and Tasia kind of had the benefit
of the doubt because they've been on the show before,
and I think people were just like intrigued by how
they would navigate it, and they both weren't professional hosts necessarily,
and so people kind of were just like, let's just
see if they have fun with it, and they did.
I'm not mad at it. I'm not. I don't think
it's like a I don't think it's like, oh my gosh,
it's a terrible choice. I don't see the criticism right
(06:04):
now being about Jesse. I just think it's like, okay,
like cool, Yeah, I like had like very little reaction.
I was like, I'm fine with that. Sure. I wonder
who they did call, Like I wonder if Robin. I
thought Robin Roberts would have been in a terrific replacement.
So what I was just going to ask you who
was like your lofty dream host that you were like,
that person is probably not gonna do it, but I
(06:26):
think they'd be great. So my choice is Michael Strahan. Yeah,
so mine's Robin Roberts. I think Robin Roberts. I've met
her personally many times. She's always been incredibly intentional about
conversations when when I'm on Good Morning America, She's calmed
my nerves when I've been nervous on Good Morning America. Um,
she like has she knew about my coffee without ever
(06:49):
being a focus on the show. She asked me about
Generous Coffee and how it was going, and she just said, hey,
I'm really it's like really cool to see what you're doing.
Like she knew all this, And I was just like
that that's who you want as a host, Like you
want that character or that person to care outside the
show just as much as they do on the show.
And so like my lofty goals like Robin Roberts incredible
host of The Bachelor, cool mine miss Michael Strayhan for
(07:11):
a very similar reason. Is it's funny that they're both
the g M A host. Uh. He's so warm and
I think that he can have those like heart to
heart conversations without being weird. I feel like he would
have brought a little humor to the show, a little lightheartedness,
but not like overdoing it. And he is that he's
so personal, Like when we've been on Good Morning America,
(07:32):
I'm like, I can't believe that one. I mean giants fans,
So this is like even cooler for me. But like
he'll come in the backstage area and he'll like hang
for a little while just with the guests, and then
he remembers us and we're just like these Bachelor people,
you know, so like I'm not like a celebrity to
be remembered, and then um, he like FaceTime to my
(07:55):
friend backstage. He's just so warm and cool, and that
would have been awesome. But but again, that man is
so freaking busy. It wouldn't have been at all on
his agenda to even consider money speaks who knows. Um,
But no, I think those are two good choices. Yeah. Again,
Jesse's been great to us. He's a super nice guy.
I know we'll have him on the podcast now as
(08:16):
the new host of the show. Nothing against him. I'm
just a little surprised with the choice. Uh, it's I
think it threw me off. And I'm like, okay, like,
let's let's see how it works. Um and uh and
we'll see how he does. And I'm sure he'll do fine,
um at this hosting role. I just expected a little
more of a shake up, uh as as we kind
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of got this like new opportunity to shake it up
and uh and so yeah, well we'll wait and see. Well,
one other big headline of the week, as we mentioned before,
m Michelle's Young's women have been revealed. We're gonna break
those down on a whole separate podcast, a very special
episode here coming up after parad What I said, Oh gosh,
(09:01):
well it's been a long day. Anyways, Michelle Young's men
have been revealed, So we will talk about that. Actually,
I will break it down, uh here in an upcoming episode,
so just stay tuned. Um, maybe do your research beforehand.
Send us in your thoughts, your questions, your concerns. Um,
it feels like it's going to be a crazy season. Uh,
and it sounds like Michelle does a great job as
(09:23):
the lead. Yeah, I'm excited to see it's gonna come.
If it's going to be here before we know it.
All right, well let's get Mr Joe park On. He's
in our waiting room. We'll be right back. Al right, guys,
(09:45):
Well we have a doctor Joe On, none of our
favor one of our figures. Hey, Dr Joe, Hi Joe,
Just what are you calling one again? Call me whatever
you want. We've met now three times. So Joe is fine.
But I guess like you have to differentiate yourself from
Grocery Store Joe. So like, uh, that's fair. You know,
(10:07):
he came first, so I'll defer to him whatever he
wants to go by, and he wants me to go by.
I'm good at whatever. It's funny because he comes with
an official title as well, Grocery Star. That's true GSJ now,
but I think it's now transition to g s J.
He just goes straight. Yeah, he's he's got another echelon
(10:27):
of bachelor, the bachelor credibility, where he's just initials. I
feel like that's when you really branded yourself well, is
when you can start with something and you drop it
and people still know what it refers as. That's cool.
Good for him. Okay, So Joe, I asked my Twitter following, well,
actually I don't know if I should get into this
real quick, but like, let's let's do it anyway. Your
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Bachelor in Paradise experienced was sort of short lived. Uh
got no right off the bat any desire like do
they want you to come early on or could you
for work reasons not take off long enough. We really
thought that you should be part of the original cast. Um.
So obviously these decisions are not made by me. UM.
(11:13):
This Bachelor machine is very well oiled. They know what
they're doing, and I trusted that process for sure. UM.
They had told me a couple of times say maybe
this day, maybe this day, you'll be on UM, but
again I trust UM the people in charge. They again
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do a fantastic job, and they thought at certain points
the timing wasn't right, and so I came on when
they thought it was the best time. They thought it
was the best time for me to be on saying,
so you could have gone in earlier. Yeah, you don't
have to get too far into I just wonder, like,
now that you say that, just how much because it
does make sense, like if they held you back because
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of what was going on in Brendan, Like they're just
like like this feels like throwing Joe and like the
firing squad, and like we don't really I want to
do this to this guy. Um, that's just an interesting
thought now, Joe. UM question for you, because it's always
been intriguing to me, What in the world do you
do for twelve days in quarantine in a hotel room,
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like without knowing when you're going to be released, Like say,
it's not all COVID quarantine at that point, that is
just what we call being stuck in the hotel room. Um.
So the first one or two days I was just
kind of getting my bearings, but actually ended up being
(12:38):
a really really great time. I read three books, I
practiced my Spanish lot there was we had Spanish television
that was available, so I was brushed up with my Spanish.
Actually made a folded um a bunch of paper hearts.
I folded about a hundred and twelve paper hearts. Yeah. Uh,
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I learned every country of the world and most of
their capitals. So I stretched a lot of worked out
three times a day. Um, it was very and it
was it was so peaceful. It was great. I played
the ukulele. I bought one right before and I learned it.
So it was it was smart smart. This is not
everybody's quarantine. I'd be like, I ate, I watched TV,
(13:22):
I tanned, mapped, I ate a lot of guacamole as well. Though,
so I'm I'm we're on the same page. But but yeah,
I mean there's only so much you can do without
a phone and uh internet, So it was but yeah,
and once you got into the routine, um it was.
It was really nice to wake up and have you know,
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the kind of things and do check list of things
to do. Well, that's uh, yeah, your quarantine didn't look
like everybody else's. Let's just say that I'd love to
get the Bachelor franchise that much credit. And so I
can imagine that each one of these people were doing that. No,
that wasn't happening. Joe, we have a lot to talk
about with you today, especially around on UM the vaccine
and your thoughts on it and then COVID. You've had COVID,
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but you know, obviously as well, people are gonna be
very interested in your in your Bachelor in Paradise story. Yeah,
if you're honest, like no holds bar were you are.
Do you feel like your Bachelor in Paradise UM journey
was a success? Do you feel like it kind of
missed the mark? Do you feel disappointed? And let me
preface this by saying, actually never said we didn't see
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more of you. UM, So we would call it a
disappointment from a viewer standpoint, because we want to see
more of you. But for you personally, how was it? UM?
I would say it was it was semi sweet, like
like a semi sweet chocolate. It wasn't though I'm I'm
grateful for the opportunity. I've been there, and UM I
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did UM have moments where I had some really good
conversations with Natasha. UM. I was happy to see everyone again,
producers production. There are a couple of sound guys who
U I had seen the first time, and so in
that respect, it was great, UM. But obviously I was
hoping to find something real, and I was really hoping,
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you know, I went in with a lot of hope,
and especially after quarantining for twelve days. I think it's
really natural that the more univest, the more expectation. Maybe
that's unfair, but I did have more expectation going in UM,
thinking that this would be a right situation to be
something down the pipe. And I don't blame anyone for it.
It's it was really just a situation that was difficult
(15:35):
for everybody. And but that said I would I'm I
don't regret going, but it was not um. It wasn't
the best experience, to put it that way. So I
remember when we kind of tried to pry a little
bit and we asked you who you'd want to go
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down to Bachelor in Paradise and hang out with, and
we met rome antically, but you kind of, like, you know,
took it in a very peasy, you know, very pr
friendly way, and you said you want to go and
hang out with Brendan. So your friendship with Brendan, uh,
it played lots of roles. I guess my biggest question
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as far as that is, if you had known that
Natasha was so entangled with him prior to asking her
on the date? Would you have still asked her? It was,
that's a great question. There was when I got there, Um,
it was such an interesting scenario. There were people, the
way I put it to people, there were people who
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were in relationships already or quote uncot relationships. I didn't
know how Bachelor Paradise were really, I didn't know how
off and on, how cold things were. But I got
there and I talked to Kendall and she was obviously
not in a great place, and we actually a really
fun conversation. I had bought her book the day before
I left for quarantine and read a bit of it.
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We had some fun conversations about crabs. But clearly she
was on the right place um during conversation and for
understandably so touching Natasha and she was still a beach
was breezy. She said. Her time there wasn't. Um, it
wasn't great beforehand, no details, no names, was just hey,
I had a rough go thus far, but I'm still
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hopeful and ready to make this work. Something happened, waiting
ready for something to happen. Um, So it's hard. So
there were either people who were already very much in
or in a quote uncrelationship or like birds with broken
wings and they're trying to fly, they're doing the best
they can. They're hopping around. They got little but they
got a little crutch and they were just doing the
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best they could. And some people put on stronger faces
and braver faces. Um. And again that's commendable, and Natasha
definitely did that, and it was so commendable, especially after
everything she went through. But it's a good question. I
don't know, I don't know. I'm not sure, um, what
I would have done at that time. In fairness, I
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have a personal question for you because I think your
thoughts are gonna be um wise. But you know, obviously
you go on the state with Natasha, she brings up
that the person that you wanted to see in Paradise,
Brendan Um had you know, they had their situation. Uh,
And obviously the public really jumped onto that, and you
(18:27):
kind of all of a sudden, we're thrown into the
middle of it without even knowing you're gonna get thrown
in the middle of it. Well, Paradise is now over
everybody's home. We've seen it play out. Paradise is over
for everybody. But for you, it is, how are you
if you agree or disagree with Brendan's decisions now that
you've seen him, how are you being a good friend
to him? Now? What kind of friend can you be
in this moment while you know, if people agree to disagree,
(18:50):
you're still a friend. I would imagine, Um, that's a
really good question. And I when I got back, you know, well,
while I was in quantry, obviously we don't know anything
that happened before, and I had heard the Natasha not everything,
bits and pieces, and I think that's also, um, a
really great of her. She didn't want to completely uh
(19:13):
talk about Brendan, but that second half of the day
it really was dominated by her time beforehand and the
ways in which she had been hurt during her time
of practors prior to me getting there. And to be honest,
at that time, my reaction, uh, when I said my Brendon,
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it was half uh, it was it was having credulous
and it was half there are the Brendans there. There
wasn't Brendan Quinn that I had known about the season before,
So I was just speaking short, we're on the same
page here, and and at that time it really was
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somebody who had just met who I did believe what
she said, but it was it was talking about somebody
who I had grown close with, who I got close
to obviously on the first, the first go around on
the Bachelorette. Now I have seen and spoken to many
times thereafter, and in my head I really wanted I
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wish I could hear his side. And when I got
back home, I did hear a side. Obviously didn't see
everything that happened, but before the season aired, I heard
his side, and at that point, again I was still
very I wasn't sure what to think. Because I'd heard
her side, I would heard his side. And then obviously,
like everyone else, UM, I saw bits and pieces, the
(20:40):
salient pieces of the first few episodes where what transpired
between them was aired. And I can't condone anything he did. Um.
He was manipulative, he lied, UM, he gaslet, and I
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think it was set on the show the the pillowed.
One thing you can't do is potentially show up on
this show with something already happening that obviates the whole process.
And if I were a viewer, uh, and that's all
(21:21):
I knew of him on TV, I would I think
he's a terrible human being and really seek for everything
he did, and what he did was period. The difference
in my situation is I I've met his family. I
know him to be a good friend. I know him
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to be a good son, I know him to be
a good uncle. UM. I know him on all these facets.
I know him to be the guy who drove an
hour when he was based in New York to my hospital,
gave out water for two hours to all the healthcare
workers in the freezing cold. Him and Kenny came by
and then drove an our back just just to do that.
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I know him to be the youth basketball coach who
gives his time to coach basketball. And so I don't
agree with anything he did, and I he knows we've
talked and he knows how I feel about um, how
he acted. But I knowing the man that I know UM,
the amount of time I've done him and the conversations
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we've had, I do think and I believe that he
has learned a lot and that he can change and
he's starting, he's realizing and he can learn from this.
And though he's in this storm, this awful storm that
he himself created, I do. I will stand next to
him through this storm, and I won't shiel him from it,
(22:53):
but I'll just be like, hey, i'm, i'm, I'm, I'm.
He's still here for you if you need me. Um,
and hopefully you know again, you'll learn from this. But
but yeah, it's definitely not easy for him, and I
do think he's learning from it. No, No, that was great. UM.
I am just curious. What do you think it is
about the show that makes good people go bad? Um?
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I will say I think without question, there is a
potential reward for being on the national television. There is
a golden This is a potentially a golden ticket for
a lot of people, uh ads and um sponsorships and
all these things that we see so so uh frequently
(23:44):
after the show. You know, everyone's in a coupon cod
swipe up bad you know, click this link, click that link.
Podcast and so podcast just the lowest of the low.
But so, I do think it is a when there's
there's yourself in the self into this, in these incentives
in place, it's going to lead to people trying to
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cheat this game. And even when they're not cheating the game,
I don't think it's crazy to think that a lot
of people are there because they of secondary game. That maybe,
and this is just one man's opinion, that maybe everyone
isn't there justifying love them. Maybe they're also thinking about
the Instagram following, about how much they can make or
(24:28):
what can come out of it thereafter. So I think
that's what makes people go bad. I think it's just
the incentive structure of the show, you know, just being
real here. Yeah, well, um, you held your own man.
You came into it, Yes it was quick. Yes, we
here feel like it wasn't enough. Um, but you exited
out on a on a high note. Um, you held
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your own and uh and I think for that, uh,
we were happy about it. Um. We don't want to
see a good guy like you go bad, and you didn't.
But before we move on, I do have to have
two more paradise questions for you, if you don't mind. Okay,
on TV, it seemed it seems so abrupt that your
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date went from being great and by the way, I
love the speaking Spanish to her, loved the I'm gonna
switch drinks because there's a bug in yours move. It
was so cute. You're such a perfect gentleman. And then
all of a sudden, the Brendan thing came up and
like the tables turned. But I'm assuming that in real
life it was probably a two was it a two
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hour ishul sit down day? And well just hour and
a half and then like on TV, we just saw
it go sour real quick. How was it that abrupt
that you was started having second thoughts about her because
of the Brendan twitch. I I when I watched it,
I watched it um with friends, and it really does
(25:54):
take you back to your mind space because I was
I saw it for the first time when everyone else
saw it, and my I think everyone thought second thoughts.
But it wasn't second thoughts per se. I could tell
when she had started really going into it that she
it really did hurt her. And it's just my way.
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And I felt the same way about Kendall because I wasn't,
especially after reading your book, I was interested in her.
You and Kendall seemed to make a lot of sense.
Just no and you both a little you know, um,
but when somebody is hurt, my first instinct not to think, oh,
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here's my chance, like let's make my move. I just
wanted to say, hey, I don't know if you have
anyone else out out there in the beast, I don't know.
They're in their own relationships, their own they're in their
own space, trying to make things work. I wanted first
and foremost. I know it's a TV show. I know
it's bass from Paradise and people are there to find love,
but I still can't turn off that part of me.
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It's like, Hey, I want you to be okay as
a person. I want you to be like good and
I want you to know that, like relationally or unrelationally,
that uh, I am a safe place for you, like period,
like I'm if you want to talk about it, we
can talk about it. And so at the end of
the day, I remember, I don't remember saying it, but
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then I watched it. I was saying hey, like I'll
be here, You'll be here. That really was me trying
to say hey. And I told her also that wasn't aired.
I said, Hey, we'll also both be in New York.
You know, both in New York. I can't wait until
we because obviously people are different on camera. Some people
are different camera than they are off camera. I meant
to say, hey, when you're ready, because you literally just
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got through this eight hours ago. You just went through this,
this storm of this redemption roase. It was the same day,
you know, because the road sun't happened early in the morning.
It's just me, this me saying, hey, like, I don't
want to push this forward. When you're ready, I'm here.
You're here, and when you're comfortable and you feel like
you're able to kind of regroup and form that connection again,
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I'm here for you and I'll be here and I
don't want to again make you uncomfortable by, you know,
all of a sudden trying to kiss you and be
overly touchy. And that's what that was. It wasn't I mean,
the touch is beautiful, and she's intelligent, and she's funny,
and she's very mature, and I just didn't want to
(28:28):
form a foundation on something that was um where she's
in such a hard place emotionally. And that's why interviews
like these are great. We get to learn more about
the situation. I also just gotta know, Um, you are
such close friends with Brendan that, like you must have
known that he had a prior relationship with Piper. Did
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you ever think, like, hey, dude, maybe he should chill
this out if you're both going to paradise, because you
may get in trouble. So I hung out with them
in group settings A lot of us, you know, just
you know, it's a lot of people did, but a
lot of people held a lot of people in group settings.
And that's true for like I find out Abigail a lot. Um,
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I finding out Chelsea a lot. I find out Serena
a lot. I've hung out with Piper a lot. And
they existed in group settings all the time. I was
there when they first met. We all met the same time.
So I don't think. I don't think they were in
a full on relationship at least before. I mean, I
hadn't seen Brendan for three two or three months prior
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to the filming, I believe, um, And I wasn't obviously.
I saw the pictures online. Um, I saw like a
sweekly article, you know, popsible on Instagram feed. But I
didn't think they were in like an exclusive, exclusive relationship.
And I don't. I still I'm not sure if they
were in fairness, um so if they did have a
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plan obviously, so really it went very poorly and they
shouldn't have done it. But again. I'm telling you, we
all it's a small, small, vast nation world. After all,
we all hang out. It's just we haven't all made out.
But well, a lot of people, very important, very important distinction. Yeah, yeah,
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a lot of people have made out. Let's not let's
not ignore that either. Um me, yeah, we were just
talking about that Actuley and I are texting this weekend.
A lot of people are out in New York City
at a at a concert, and uh, we're texting. I
was like, did I did? I missed the invite? Like
I didn't get invited anymore. And She's like, I don't
know if if we get invited this stuff anymore. It's like,
you know what, I don't know if I'm mad about it.
Like I have a pretty good, big going I was
(30:39):
in bed at eight thirty on Friday, so pretty pretty
pumped about that. Um all right, well, Joe, thanks for
your honesty, thanks for your openness. We're not done with
you yet. We gotta talk covid um, booster shots, the vaccine,
everything medically around, all of that here in just a second.
But it's take a break and we're gonna come back
(30:59):
with doctor Joe. He's gonna put his doctor hat on
now it's not his paradise hat, and teach us. Yeah,
please do yeah, yeah, all right, Dr Joe, you just
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broke down paradise with us. It's time now to talk
to us about and hopefully educate us on the vaccine. Uh.
You know, there's a lot of things going on. I
just want to start with this. I um, yeah, I
am vaccinated, um, fully vaccinated. That was a choice I made.
But I have a lot of friends, uh that are
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are not vaccinated, and there's a few things that I
want to start out with. It was just asking you
some questions that they've asked me because I can't answer them.
They saying, hey, why would I get vaccinated if I'm
still gonna get covid? Uh, that doesn't make sense to
me because that has happened in our friend group. Somebody
has been fully vaccinated, gotten COVID and gotten covid pretty bad.
They're sick for a while. So um, that was the
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first question that I want to ask you, is why
would you get vaccinated if you can still get covid. Um.
That's a great question, is a very fair question and
a question that a lot of people have asked. So
the big thing is the delta variants going around, and
though it's possible they come break through infections, they are
still exceedingly rare. Nine day percent of infections COVID infections
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are from people who have not had any formula vaccine,
So although there are anecdotal cases, they are exceedingly rare
and much obviously much much much rarer if you have
a vaccine. Secondly, the fact that your friend had it
pretty bad is also exceedingly rare. Next to nobody is
hospitalized even if you get it, so now one, it's
(32:46):
rare that you get it. To to be hospitalized is
almost unseen. And then that's very different than people who
are unvaccinated. People are unvaccinated still have much much higher
rates of getting severe disease and being hospitalized from the disease.
And so in that way, again, uh, the chance and
you're getting it is uh significantly diminished, and also severe
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disease and hospitation significantly diminished. Um And also kind of
as a corollary to that, a lot of your friends
and a lot of our friends probably are around the
same age, young adults who honestly would probably do um
okay health wise because they are healthy already, but their
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parents might not, and their coworkers might not, and other
people who are at risk may not. So even that
for yourself, for your community, for your loved ones, for
all those reasons. Uh, it is a good idea to
get vaccinated. UM. And by the way, all the the
three vaccines we use in the United States, they're all
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approved at this point for people sixting and older and
so even more reason. UM yeah, great, well appreciation. I
am getting getting so many questions from girls on Instagram.
I know you're not O, B G y N, but
so many are like are like I'm thinking we're you know,
my husband and I are trying now or I am pregnant,
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Like what did you do? I did a whole podcast
on my other podcast. I don't get it about this.
I talked to four doctors. UM. Different points of view
for sure, UM, but it was cool and I always
it helped me make my decision to get it. I
actually got the shot day after we conceived, unknowing, and
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then I waited until sixteen weeks to get my second
dose UM just because I was so sick the first
you know, trimester. UM, But do you have anything to
say about people worried about fertility and people worried about
miscarriage or anything like that for young women. And again,
(34:56):
knowing Bachelor Nation, I know that's a large percentage of
people who watched the show and who are who are
fans of the show and obviously listen to these podcasts.
I would say the American College of Obstations kind of
collegists ACOG has been very clear, and I know there's anecdotes.
I know there are opinions from one person another person,
and even different obstetricians probably will have different opinions about
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these things. But the overarching body, the rule, the governing
body of all obstetricians, say it is safe to get
the vaccine UM while you're trying to conceive, while you're pregnant,
while you're lactating and breastfeeding UM. So there are no contradications. Again,
this comes from not one person's opinion, not um anecdotal um,
(35:42):
you know, incidents, but from the UH, the ruling, the
governing the official organization that oversees all of obstractions kind
of college. And so I'll defer to their recommendations on
that UM and they are very they are pretty clear,
and I would recommend anyone who's care is to go
to a COG's website, UM to get more guidance on that.
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I think it's a good question because it's it is
one that gets brought up. I have a lot of
friends that are getting getting pregnant and this has been
something kind of sitting over them, is if it's safe
or not. UM, Joey are going to play kind of
like Devil's advocate here because I think the most helpful
thing is not to come on here and say you
should do it, you should do it, but ask the
questions that everybody are asking, because I think education on
this stuff is very important. UM and and a lot
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of people have do have a lot of different opinions,
and I think at the same time that's fair. You
know a lot of people are concerned, this is confusing.
This is the first time in this you know, in
the in this generation's life that they've kind of been
asked to do something by a governing body. And so
I want to ask you, UM, why do you have
the trust in it? And I mean, obviously you are
(36:47):
a doctor, so I think we can probably assume the answer,
But why do you have the trust in a governing
body to to tell the general public that they should
be vaccinated. Um, Ben, I'm so glad you bring that up.
And people are right to have these questions. They're not
dumb for having these questions or not antime. You know
people there are intelligent people ask these questions. Um. To answer,
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I would say, we have had these they are mandated.
You just don't remember the mmrs. Man, everyone's all of
us have got the MMR backs. So first of all,
it is something that we all do. We just we're
two younger babies when we got it. Um. A lot
of people get the flu shot every year. Those that's
not mandated. But um, so this is not completely out
of the blue or novel. It is something that we
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all have gone through. But obviously as an adult, it
is something that's very new. And again there are um
a lot of good, good questions out there. And I
trusted because I've read the papers. I trust the governing bodies,
the FDA to CDC, um, these people who devote their
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lives and who have done this research, whose families are
getting they're getting their families are getting it. And outside
of some crazy not crazy, but I don't I just
don't know what incentive people would have to not be
truthful about this, and so knowing the research and not
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understanding why anyone would want to lie about this. UM,
I trusted because for those reasons. UM. And again, it's
just something that we're not used to. But we've all
gone through. We've all gotten MMR and other vaccines also,
so it's just I guess we still remember it and
again as adults a lot. But um, it's not completely new.
Some people say that doctors have an incentive to have
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people get vaccinated, like there's like a monetary incentive you
guys to be proponents for it. What do you have
to say about that? Um? I if if there is,
then I'm missing out because I've not gotten any things
from it. But but no, no, there's no there's no
fiscal incentive for for doctors in any sense. Um. I
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think the incentive is we want people to be healthy.
I think the incentive is I think being a healthcare setting,
we don't want to get it, you know, we don't
want to decrease our risk of getting it, and so
UM And obviously incentive is not having to go through
what we went through. Again. I always I wish people
could like I had like a um, some sort of
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like Google glass where I could have shown what life
was like when it was really bad and how it
is now and people would just literally turn it on
whenever they want to see the people on ventilators and um, yeah,
just the scene that we all saw healthcare providers during
the height of COVID and how does now And it's
much better post vaccine in most places. Um. And again
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it's because of the vaccine, and we are all doing better,
we are all able to kind of get back to
a normal ish way of life in large part because
of the vaccine. And so UM. With the now that
it's at the approved they are off you approved, I
think there's very little reason not to get it. Um.
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And there's a great organization I'm working with called the
ad Council UM and they have a great website called
Vaccine Answers dot org that also has answers to questions
that may not be asked right now, but to answer
the very common questions that a lot of people, especially
I don't UM. So I would definitely recommend people check
that out. Okay, final question for you, This is a
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personal one for me. Okay, yeah, I you know, I
am fully vaccinated but it took me a little bit
of time because I wanted to learn about it as
best as I possibly could, um, read as much as
I possibly could understand what was being asked of me.
And then I made the personal decision again to say yes,
I I believe I need to get vaccinated. I am
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having a hard time, though, UM with the idea of
a booster I am. I I don't UM, maybe because
I don't know enough yet. I haven't learned enough yet,
I haven't read enough yet. There's not enough out there
for me to understand. Who are you at all hesitant?
Or are you all hesitant to get a booster shot?
And what would you say to somebody like me who
is hesitant to get a booster shot? Just because right
now I am not I'm lacking education in it. UM.
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And also it just feels odd to me, you know,
like to have to do that, uh And I didn't
expect to have to do that, So it's a little
bit of a shock to me personally. Sure, So right
now the booster is recommended for UM people UH six
sixty five and older who have gotten the shot at
least the second O six months ago. It's for people
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who are in settings like healthcare settings or frontline providers
of people who are going to be around a lot
of other people like teachers, who again six months later
after the second shot, these are the people who are eligible,
people who are compromised. UM. So right now it's not
necessarily recommended for people healthy people such as yourselves. UM.
But again, the research shows that antibodies wane after a
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certain period of time, and I think that is why,
and I think they the idea is that this booster
shot will decrease even those few breakthrough infections that we're having,
will help decrease even those few numbers again to reach
the herd immunity. UM. But what exactly I would ask
you is what what about it is UM is concerning
to you. Well, I can't say the booster is concerning
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to me because I don't know if it is or not.
I'd say with the first one, and maybe people call
me a win for this, UM. That's okay, I get it.
I wanted to to see how people reacted to it,
like I wanted to see what it was. I want
to understand more of like what I was agreeing to
UM and what I was putting in my body and
so part of that was understanding the research behind it,
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Understanding uh, you know, the symptoms from the shot, understanding
how people were reacting to it. And then I felt, Okay, yeah,
I can I can do this thing. You know, I
want to do this. I willingly want to do this.
But the booster I just don't know enough yet. And
that's why I want to ask you, because when I
don't know enough about some thing, I don't want to blindly,
you know, step into it. Um. And maybe that's the
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part that's most concerning is I just don't know enough.
And that's why I thought, Hey, this is a good
moment I ask a doctor. Yeah, it's um. You know,
it's the same as the other essentially the same as
the other vaccines, So if you've gotten the first two,
then it's gonna be um. You should feel about the
same after the booster. UM. And I just think, as
far as I am happy that you did your due diligence,
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your research on the vaccine and how it works, it
is not that easy to try to make a couple
of videos to show kind of simplify it a little bit. Um.
But but again, this is going to be kind of
like a like a weird. Why the kind of perspective,
But I I don't know how my car works. I
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don't know my refrigerator works. And I still trust that
the refrigerants used in refrigerator don't create a carcinogetic environment
for my food. And I think I leave that to
the experts to do that. And the people who developed
a vaccine, the people who studied it and made sure
they were safe, the doctor should administer it. Um the
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whole system around it are the same people who developed
pilonal antibiotics and and every other medication you've taken. It's
the same process that went through it. And so these
are working again similar to the Bastel nations. You have
trust the process and and and unless people have the
wherewithal too um have that medical training or that research training,
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that scientific background, it's hard to understand it. But that's
where again in this society, we just trust that our
car is gonna work, that I won't explode when we
turn the ignition on that that the engineers know enough
that when I'm on my balcony it won't fall down.
And so in the same way, I think, and again
that's not medical specific, but that's just I think, um,
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how have you? But again it's not like people our age,
you need to be going out and getting a boosters
not So let's just uh. And now I thought of
one other Why would people who already have UM the
antibodies from having actual COVID have to get the vaccine
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Because aren't the antibodies from having actual COVID even stronger
than the vaccine? So that's also another question. So the
antibody still wayne after after a period of time, and
so it's more just getting UM. And also the response,
we know how our body responds to the vaccine and
how our body responds to a natural infection is still
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it's variable, depending on a lot of things, a lot
of again like polymorphous, there's a lot of variables that
go into how we respond, our bodies responded. The vaccine
essentially is the control, but we know how ABOUTY responds
by looking at me initially now it's more than that
or initially but now it's more than that. UM people
that were that were studied in both the fives and
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EMMA during a trials, so we know that we know
how effective it is in across different ages, sexes, races, people,
different diseases, and that's not true necessary for natural infections.
And so again one antibiuze wayne depending on when you
had it, and to the reaction to the vaccine is
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more control and more studied, more understood on a wider
population versus any individual reaction. Okay, but I had chicken
pox as a first grader and now I don't have
to get it. And now I've never gotten a chicken
pox vaccine because I had it. So how is that
any different? So the type of the virus, it's a
Varicella zoster virus, it's a it's a little different. Um.
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They don't mutate nearly as quickly a coronavirus is mutate.
Let's will be one variable and the other thing about
like boosters and things that there's one man's meeting, but
I think there probably might be other boosters on the
line as coronavirus mutating. But the coronavirus is also a
very different type of virus. And so the way um
like that has a spike protein that mutates a lot,
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and so it is just how it's constructed is very different.
And so there are there are measles muns, fabella where
you can only get it. You know, you only need
it once and or maybe a booster later on if
you work in healthcare setting, but generally only need it
once because they don't need too very rapidly, and some do,
and so that's part of it. It's probably like the
flu shot, where like I've had the flu before, but
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I also get a flu shot every year because the
strain is different exactly. There. There are some types of
viruses and honestly the most successful viruses that just mutate
very quickly, and uh, they're just built different. And so yeah, also, well, Joe,
you're built different, You're built well. I'm proud of you. Man. Hey,
thanks for coming on, Thanks for asking or answering our
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tough questions. We rapid fire them at you. But I
don't know, I can't think of many guys that we'd
rather ask these questions too than you. Considering you spend
your quarantine reading, learning Spanish, playing music and working out
if that and say something about you, I don't know
what will. Hey, Dr Joe, thanks for joining Almost Famous
podcast today. We appreciate you. Thank you guys. Always a pleasure,
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always great talking to you guys, and um, yeah, thanks
so much for having me and letting me part of
your podcast. All right, everybody, that's another episode of The
Almost Famous Podcast. Thank you Dr Joe for coming on, Ashley,
it's been a pleasure. We'll talk very soon about the
next upcoming really really long episode of Paradise. I think
they said it's like three hours, which three Oh my goodness. Um,
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But we're gonna break it down here on The Almost
Famous Podcast next week. Against stay tuned for a future
breakdown of Michelle Young's men. Uh they're her suitors have
been revealed. We're gonna break it down, talk about it,
make our first assumptions and judgments. It's always my favorite
time because I can do it and feel like I
don't get in trouble for it, because this is kind
of like a given. Anyways, it's blind. It's blind. We
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have no clue what we're talking about. Anyways, Hey, I've
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