September 27, 2024 • 42 mins
Ben and Ashley are catching up with one of our favorite Paradise success stories: Abigail Heringer and Noah Erb!
They share all the details from their upcoming wedding, we look back on their early days together on the beach in Paradise, and we get their HONEST reaction to Noah’s brother competing on Jenn’s season of The Bachelorette!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Sais podcast. Today we
are joined by one of Bachelor Nations. Happily ever after
Noah and Abigail are here. They're going to tell us,
hopefully about their wedding next month, and Abigail's new book
that's coming out, and of course we're going to try
to get some dirt from Noah about his brother Aaron's
(00:29):
stint on The Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hey, guys, welcome.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Thanks guys for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Howdy howdy you guys. It's really fun to see the
two of you, because I do feel like, coming out
of Paradise, you're one of the last couples that I
can vividly remember making it work after Paradise, and now
that Paradise is gone, we don't have a lot of
other couples to celebrate, so I'm really glad that you
(00:56):
came here to talk to us. Abigail, you obviously have
been working really hard on this new project, and that's
where I want to kick it off. You have this
incredible book, your memoir coming out. How much time did
you put into like making this book happen.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, so The Deaf Girl is about three years in
the making. It's just a lot of work that goes
into a book that I just didn't really know about
going into it. But yeah, it took my mom and
I about three years to kind of think about what
angle we wanted to do and just putting the words
on the pages, and it just came out I think
two weeks ago now. So we just busy. We did
(01:35):
a little book tour and trying to do that while
you know, finishing up planning the wedding was a lot
this month. But now I was just really proud of
the book and hopefully I can reach people going through
a similar thing that my mom and I went through.
That was kind of the biggest goal with The Deaf Girl.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Can you explain how you decided to have your mom's
perspective about having a child who is death in the book.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, So during that season kind of when that was airing,
I felt like the questions were pretty split. I think
half of the people were really curious about just my
experience of culplor implant hearing loss. But most of the
questions I felt like, we're actually from parents of little
kids that just got the diagnosis. They are just so lost,
(02:20):
so confused, just so many questions, a lot worries, and
so I just thought my mom's perspective would be really
valuable in that sense of just hearing from somebody that
has been through it, and I guess in a way
is on the other end of it. I think just
having that kind of support in the book, we just
felt like it would be really beneficial for those families.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
The title is striking. I think when you read it
the Deaf Girl. What made you title this the deaf Girl?
Because I know you've also talked publicly about how that
phrasing or categorization of you maybe for a long time
with some that you stayed away from. So why do
you call it then the thing that you were most
(03:04):
you know, pushing back on.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, it's a little ironic, but you know, I think
just growing up I just never really identified as being deaf.
It just was the title that I just didn't really
well partly identified with, just because growing up I always
thought the deaf community was the sign language community, and
I don't use sign language, and so I just never
fully identified with it. And then combined with just kind
(03:27):
of going on the show I think that was kind
of my first taste of feeling tokenized, I think in
a sense of just people you know, referring to me
as the deaf girl, calling me fraugile and all these things,
and kind of just a lot of stereotypes around kind
of disability and dating. And so when coming up with
the title, I definitely wanted something catchy, So I think
(03:48):
it did the job there. But I think also with
just the goal of you know, this is a label,
but if you open up the book, there's, you know,
so much more that goes on behind the label, And
so I just really wanted to encourage people just to
you know, see the title, have questions, and then open
it up and realize that, you know, it's so much
more than, you know, just the label that other people
(04:09):
try to assign to you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Noah, how is it? Is there any difference being in
a relationship with somebody who is deaf them being a
relationship with somebody who is.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Not none at all? It's totally the same. No, I'm
just kidding. There are obviously there are. There are definitely differences.
And for us it's interesting because I feel like a
lot of stuff we go out of our way to
talk about it and then it just becomes not a
big deal. That's kind of how we approach dating and
(04:44):
deafness and all the ins and outs. There's a lot
of things I would have never thought about. That's part
of what I did like about the book is, you know,
I've a background in nursing. I've been around you know,
deaf people before, quote unquote, so I kind of had
it all figured out right, But reading the book is
(05:04):
a whole different view of life to me, even with
you know, a medical background and so, you know, a difference,
like a small difference is I have to repeat myself
multiple times. That's not something that's normal i'd say from
a previous relationship. But this person, actually, you know, loves
(05:25):
so I have no problem repeating myself. But yeah, I'll
say the same thing five times over or in the morning.
She won't have her quicklar im plane on. That's an adjustment.
I gotta go find her around the house, you know,
text her, see where she's at. But it's little things
like that that I guess could be seen as an inconvenience,
but kind of throughout the day and it's a back
(05:48):
and forth, they're not that huge. I'd say, there's like
some safety things and some like considerations that I would
have never thought because I've never been deaf. But it's
one of those things that obviously having a book is
like a cheat code because I get a glimpse into
her life. But it's one of those things that you
just kind of slowly, I don't know, adapt to, I
(06:11):
guess without thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Building on Ashley's question a bit, I know when I
wrote my book, my wife read it, and there was
just so much that she learned about me by reading it,
and stuff I didn't realize that she didn't know, or
maybe just like I hadn't, I forgot to tell her
or never thought about telling her or whatever. No, what
are some things that stood out to you when you
(06:44):
read the book that were new to you after being
together for now? How many years have you? Guys dated? Four? Three?
Three and a half Yeah, three and a half, so
three and a half years together. You feel like you
know everything. But I'm sure there's some stuff that popped up.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I mean, most of it, honestly, was the childhood. You know,
everyone everyone thinks they live a very unique life, and
then you hear about someone else's life. You're like Okay,
there are similarities, but there's also some stark differences. So
I think a lot of hers was U.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Said, Paradise a little bit too, You learned somethings.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, And my perception of like why I'm on Paradise
thinking to myself, Okay, this is pretty back, Like this
is an obvious thing. I say I love you, you say
you love me. We're both happy, we both like each other.
We you know, get married and live happily ever after.
But I never even until honestly, until reading the book,
(07:44):
I never even thought of how different her experience was
than mine. Just just the things like me thinking, Okay,
this chick doesn't want to talk, whereas her she's like, okay,
I'm trying to figure out who's talking. You're not even
facing me, You're drinking of mimosa, looking at you know,
(08:05):
a bird talking to me casually. It's like there's all
these things that I never even thought could contribute to
her not being outspoken or whatever, you know, the thought was.
So it was kind of like her experience on Paradise
made more sense to me. The hardships with her mom's
perspective and Rachel and you know, this was an age
(08:27):
without the Internet, I kind of just assume everyone's treated well,
you know, we all love each other, but that's not
the case. You know, I've met so many girls on
the book tour that specifically asked about dating and how
hard it's been, and you'd think, oh, okay, everyone's life
experience isn't the same as mine. So it's just a
lot of different I guess, lenses that I would have
(08:49):
never thought of unless I, like you said, specifically asked her,
which that's a very nuanced or weird thing to specifically ask.
So it was kind of cool getting that perspective, but
it was, you know, a lot of different perspective that
I had never thought of.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
That's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Writing a book is always a massive undertaking an Abigail,
I know this is one that was obviously near and
dear to your heart. Did you find it difficult, like
remembering some of the ways that you were mistreated or
some of the ways that you felt like an outsider
as a child, and then even going on paradise remembering that,
(09:30):
like I don't want to call it an insecurity maybe,
but just like that inner dialogue that you're having where
it's like, I don't know if Noah's actually into me
because he has his back turned to me and he's
not really talking to me. Was it hard to relive
any of these moments as you put it on paper?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, so, I mean definitely, like the early childhood stuff
that was hard to remember. So I think that's why
having my mom's perspective was really valuable and bringing her in.
And then with like the show and Paradise, I think
both of those were difficult, but I think much needed
to work through because I think I had just always
felt like how I acted on the shows in the
(10:09):
sense of just having kind of that inner dialogue and
feeling of like, you know, I didn't fully enjoy that experience.
You know, why is that or why did I react
that way when mad or Noah did those things, and
just unpacking a lot of that, and I think just
even past my disability, I think it was just a
lot of like dating tendencies as well, and just trying
(10:31):
to figure out, Okay, I'm feeling a certain way about this,
but it's like therapy. It's like, Okay, I gotta work
through it. I got to unpack all the layers and
really dive deep and try to figure out Okay, why
did I respond that way or why was I feeling
that way in the underlying issue, And so that was
something I've never really had to do before. I think
the show was the first time I really ever had
to like talk about my feelings out loud, So there's
(10:53):
that element, and then writing the book alone, having to
do that on a different magnitude really uncomfortable at first,
but I'm really proud that I did it. But that
was definitely one of I think the uncomfortable moments was
just laying all of that out there and just kind
of letting people digest it however they want to and
their perspectives on it. But so far it's been it's
(11:16):
been good. I'm only gone kind feedback, so that's good.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I will say. It has been cool to watch it
go from which I didn't really know she was intent
on writing a book until I started to see, you know,
she's done so many meetings with her mom. Who's this
other lady I should probably ask questions? So it's cool
to see it transform from you know, a passion project
getting the story out with her mom's perspective, to seeing
(11:45):
a little bit of the reaction from the deaf community,
the non deaf community people and it taking on its
whole kind of own thing. When all of it started
was try to like figure out what her life story
was with her mom and get it out there for people.
So it has been really cool to see it take
its own sort of form, whatever that is. You know,
(12:07):
who knows, but it has been cool to see.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That's super fun.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Getting off the topic a little bit and still talking
about Paradise, you guys are one of quite a bit
of couples who have come off Paradise and ended up
getting engaged off the show, and you're getting married next month.
Now that we're a little bit removed from it, can
(12:32):
you guys let us in a little bit on how
the breakup went down on Paradise, Like was it really legit?
Because like we're all, you know, we get it here.
Sometimes they're like, well, if you can't propose to her tomorrow,
then you better break up with her today.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I so that was, like them a long question we
got even in person when people would like come up
to us after Paradise, they were life, it is the
breakup real? And yes, the breakup was very real. Like
that was a big shot to me. I really thought
we were going to leave Paradise together, and it was
one of those things I'm writing the book when I
went back and obviously watching the show back, I was like, Okay,
(13:12):
I really should not have been that surprised that it
was coming. And I think for a few reasons. So
I think the biggest one is we told producers from
day one that we were not going to get engaged
on the show. That was just something that Yeah, I
think that was just something that we had talked about
because we had the first date and that was something
that we had talked about, you know, kind of what
(13:33):
your goal of paradise is, and we were taking it seriously.
But I just think the idea of an engagement after
two weeks really scared us, and so we just said,
we're just going to take that pressure off. We're just
going to get to know each other. So I don't
know if maybe that was like an angle that the
producers maybe saw with us, and then just a lack
(13:53):
of communication. I mean, you guys saw he said I
love you. I'm TuS misheard. Last didn't think he intended
to say it because we had a conversation saying that
we weren't gonna feel rush to say I Love You again,
taking things slow and he said it out left field.
So it was just so many like things that we
(14:14):
just could not be on the same page about. And
I think a big part of that was the show's
timing of everything, like it's just like, Okay, this is
the week of I Love you, this is the week
of fantasy suites, and I think we just we're got it. Yeah,
he just really struggled. I think, keep up with that
timeline while trying to figure out, okay, do we really
(14:36):
like each other? Is the elements of paradise and so
all of it was very real. But I think that's
why it was really easy for us to reconnect afterwards.
And I think people get hung up on that of
Danielle saying he said that you were his person, how
can you get back together with him? And part of me,
it's like, the thing is, it's the show's elements, Like
we might not be each other's people on the show
(14:58):
in that element, is really hard to find somebody that
you match up perfectly with in that environment. You know,
it works for some couples, but it didn't work for us.
And but I think once you take away the show element,
it was really easy for us to get back together.
So yeah, that's kind of if that answers the question.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
For me, it was no, it was definitely real. I
get made fun of because I like would disappear to
the beach and walk around, and I think it was
actually uh beca. I had a good conversation with Becca.
I was out there journaling and She's like, dude, what
am I doing here? And I'm like, dude, I feel you.
And I was so perplexed because I had this little
(15:43):
inkling of there's something special, but it was like always
so like so close and then not quite and it
was so close and then not quite. So for like
the I love you in real life, if I said
I love you and the girl was just kind of
like yeah, that would be kind of like okay, what
(16:05):
was that? So that for me was like the final
things weren't working out, but I wanted them to. So
it got to a point where it was like is
it me forcing? Like am I forcing this just because
I have a little feeling? And then you have the
show element the producers and she was slow and I
was pretty gung host. So once I made the decision
(16:27):
like all right, this is not it, I don't care
if I look bad, I just need to get it
out and go home. Like That's kind of the point
that I got to where it's like there's no going back.
At that point, I was just so done with kind
of everything. I was just tired, you know. I'm like,
I wanted to work out, but it's not working out.
(16:47):
So for after the show, it was easy because I'm
like this, I can totally control. You know. We went
out to a cabin in Oregon with no cell phone
service and it's just us, and if we can't get along,
just us, it's that's a pretty good answer. There's nobody
to blame, you know for that. So after it was
perfect because it was just like, all right, what was that?
(17:09):
Is there still any feeling here? Let's figure it out.
But at the time, it's just the emotions were so high,
but they were at different places that it just didn't
match up.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
What was that conversation like when you decided to go
to the cabin?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So yeah, where you at?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, it was a little bit more classy than that.
He texted me when we were flying out. So we
actually had to stay an extra day, I think, just
to film some follow up interviews and stuff. So I
actually didn't fly until two days after the break up,
and he sent me a text at the airport, I
think Jess, a very neutral text of Jess, I'm so
sorry that it had to play out.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
That way, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
But you know, I was feeling a certain type of things,
and of course I'm calling him out, and he just said,
can we have a phone call and just kind of
house things out. So we did have a long phone
call when I landed in New York because I was
living there at the time, and then kind of texted
a little bit for a few days, but there was
just no, oh, we're about together. It was kind of
(18:14):
like a situation ship at that point. I was like,
I can't do that. When the show's about to air,
you break up with me, Like that's just taking me back.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And I was thinking that, but I'm like I want
to see, like I just want to see what's there.
But I can't fully commit to this after because if
I say you're not my person and then the following
week I get back with you and then we break up. Also,
it's like, okay, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
This is so I know, yeah, I said, we can't
talk anymore, like we just need to take space kind
of thing.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We took two days and he texted me and said,
I want to fly out. I want to come see you.
I want to see you make this work. And I
said bet, and he came out to Oregon and it
was just a really good trip. Like I think that's
just like what we need. It was just two people,
no producers, no agenda, just are we compatible and.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
We're to start with the basics.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, I love it. That's all you have to do
is not talk to him for a few days. Then
I'll call you like I must see you.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, now you're definitely compatible. You do have a wedding
coming up. This is a really really exciting thing to
talk about because I think Bachelor Nation has been eagerly
awaiting the day of your wedding. Now ninety people have
been invited, and this is where my curiosity spiked. How
(19:37):
because I just remember this time when I was getting married.
How did you guys decide on ninety people? And how
in the world are you telling people or they're not
getting the invite, You're not even telling them, they're just
not getting invited. How did you kind of filter it down?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I actually called people and told them they weren't getting invited.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you for that? See headline.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Wait, I think that way we're at your wedding.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
He had four hundred because he couldn't say no to anyone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I had one eighty.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Okay, that's a good in between. That's what our conversation
was because I'm from Tulsa and my whole family's from here,
and she's got friends here. So it was like, Okay,
if we do just all the bros and all of
our friends, it's like it's going to be five hundred people,
and we'd like to do people that we've actually spent
(20:33):
time with in the last both of us in the
last three years.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
So we definitely wanted a smaller wedding. But he's won
of ten eleven siblings, so his family alone is already
just Busea's no, yeah, yeah. So the smallest that we
could get it would be fifty and that would just
be family. Of course, we wanted our friends there, so
we got it to ninety. So that was the smallest
we could keep it while getting everyone that we have
(21:00):
a lot of time together and that was the requirement.
We said, people can't come to twenty if they haven't
met both of us. So we're not doing plus ones.
We're not inviting that I died because it or you know,
anything like that. We're not meeting people for the first
time on our wedding.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
What's that Billie Eilish bad Guys song? That's kind of
what it was. It was like, Okay, unless we know him,
it's going to be a lot of awkward conversations of
me I did. I called some of my friends and
basically said, YO, love you. You're not invited, but I
love you. Let's hang out soon, which she thought was weird.
(21:34):
I thought it was necessary. It's just we made a
hard cut off where it's like, Okay, I hope we
It's our wedding, so that's all we care about is
our wedding. I hope it's not such a big deal
that people aren't invited, that we're not friends. That's kind
of weird. But it's going to be under one hundred
people regardless.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
But I don't think we know four hundred people, So
I don't know how you got four hundred people that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He has a lot of connections in life's Fred's quick,
you know it does.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Did you talk to everybody at your wedding when there's
four hundred people?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I did? We did, I think, talk to every single person,
which made it absolutely exhausting. I actually find it incredibly
admirable of you to call up the people that weren't
good bye, thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
That's what I was hoping they would think.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, No, I think it is great, and I like
your rule that is like, if we haven't seen you
in three years, you're not obviously invited. And what I
did is yeah, we had, of course, like people there
that I had never met before from Jared's side, but
we were just like, I'm not meeting anyone for the
first time, so I'm going to say hi to my people,
You're gonna say hi to yours, but I'm not going
to like good, I'm not going over to your side.
(22:44):
Your side, Yeah, because we had that's how we had
the room split up, like my friends and family, his
friends and family, and it was like, I'm not going
to waste time saying hello to people that I've never
met or have met like once or twice.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Why would I waste time talking to people that my
husband loves you?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Know, like obviously his family and people he cares about,
and friends that I have met before and love, but
not the right people, like not his cousins that he
really doesn't Yeah, actually.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He just hasn't met. I would have loved us all
to have hung out more before, but it's like, okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
What about Bachelor Nations. So there are some Bachelor Nation
people who made the cut. It was easy for them
to meet you in the last three and a half
years because some of them are on the same show
when you met. So how did you decide from Bachelor
Nation who was coming and who wouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I mean it's kind of the same requirement, which is
whoever we have maintained a relationship with post filming. I
think we have a lot of friends in bastfor Nation,
but I think it's only a smaller group that we've
seen consistently outside of.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Like with just us, we have some guys from my season, Ivan, DeMar, Blake, Zach.
I maintained pretty close with them. Joe's coming because Serena.
We like Serena a lot.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, Like we don't like Joe though, huh.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
But he's a good plus one great.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Time because I just saw Joe and Serena and they
were like, oh, we have Abigail Noah's wedding next and
so for you to delay just in naming Joe on
your list right there was really that's so good because
I actually believe that Noah thinks of him as a
plus one that he's met before.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yeah, I like that with them, and they do a
lot of fun. We we do love them, So it's
it's the same criteria Thomas and Becca. We got to
spend a lot of time with them when we lived
in San Diego, and we're we have like a packed
a babysitting packed for when we have kids. So we're excited.
(24:55):
We're excited.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's uh, it's gonna be a good group. And I
always love a little Joe raz because he deserves it
and he can handle it, and he handles it very hilariously.
Now to transition completely to kind of that wedding day, Noah,
how much involvement have you had in the planning process
(25:16):
before I ask these questions.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I'm a smart man and I got a wedding planner
in the group chat. I've done all the meetings, but
you know, I don't care about the color of the flowers. Yeah,
the so for we have a lot of meetings, I'll
pop in for the things that I care about, which
is music, good food, and I wanted to make sure
(25:41):
we had lemon and cucumber water.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Let's go. That's nice. I like that of it.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Like I chime in on the details, like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Sounds good. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Because it was ninety people, were you guys able to
put it together relatively quickly? Because I remember Abigail, it
was like, I feel like this spring that you said
on Instagram that you were like, oh, we don't have
a date. We haven't really started planning. Then all of
a sudden, you gotta yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So we actually didn't start planning, I want to say
until spring. It was one of those things we got
engaged and then we started working on our house, and
so we just kind of kept putting it off because
the home projects and everything. We said, when the house
is done, we'll get married, and then spring rolled around
we were like, okay, this house is no, we're close
to being done. Done, the house will never be done. Okay,
let's play on the wedding. Let's take a break. And
(26:28):
with ninety people, it was easier just because we are
communic communicating with those people a lot more than I think,
like it extended guest list, so I think just figuring
out who can come, who can getting them in Oklahoma too,
I feel like it's easier than like California, Like vendors
aren't booked crazy far in the bands, Like there's just
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a lot more but it's not as competitive, I guess.
So we were able to book everything that we wanted
and then also just having a really good wedding planner
definitely helped us.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
There's a common theme that I'm learning with us is
things don't go, but when they go, they go fast.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, that's how you guys operate.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Apparently, Yeah twenty was quit, but it was a lot.
So that's why we're just so ready for the wedding
to be here. And like we are just not planners.
We don't enjoy planning, so it's definitely been outside of
our comfort zone planning a wedding, but we're very excited
for it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But just yeah, soak up the day. I can't say
I was like absolutely ecstatic for the wedding day because
I was more anxious about the event, but it was
It will go down as one of the most fun
days I've ever had, and so make it fun. It's
kind of a night that you don't get judged because
it's your day. You can do whatever you want, and
(27:49):
so we just went all out. It was great. I
hope this wedding is something that you two look back
on with a big old smile. But obviously you guys
are already smiling because your relationships in such a good place.
So I hope to not ruin anything in your relationship
with this question, but I want to shoot it to
Abigail first. Abigail, you heard or you knew that Noah's
(28:11):
brother was going to be going on the Bachelorette this year.
You know his brother obviously fairly well, there's a lot
of them. I don't know how you know them all.
Were you confident that he was going to show up
and show out well or were you nervous about how
he was going to be on the show, knowing him
before the show started, trying.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
To start some family job right before no.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I said, I have no interest in that, but if
you do, that's good for our podcast, so I don't
mind it either.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, So with Aaron, when he said he was going
on the show, I was really excited for him, and
I thought he would do really well on it. Jess.
I think he's a good looking guy, He's very charismatic,
and I think he, out of the three of us,
I think is the most open in terms of having
kind of those deep conversations, like moving quickly doesn't scare him.
(29:05):
I think just some of the elements of the show
I think can be off putting for people, like being
proposed that proposing at the end the timeline everything, I
was like, no, I think he can handle all of
that and handle it really well. Watching it back, I
think there were things that we didn't really expect from him.
(29:26):
He was pretty tight lift when he came home, and
so I was thinking, you know, he probably just had
an average experience, maybe just didn't hit it off with
her super well. And then watching it back and seeing
his storyline and everything, I was not expecting it. I
was not expecting it. But I think he ended up
being right at the end of the day. But I
(29:47):
think to this day, we still don't really know what
Devin did in the house that trying to all the
guys off from him. We still don't know that, But
he ended up being right. So I us he knew.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Something that we thought.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's interesting that you say that. I haven't thought of
it that way. Revisionist history is interesting when at the
time we're like, hey, he's just being a jerk to Devon,
and then the show gets done, we see the behaviors
of Devon here as of recent and we go, well,
maybe he was trying to tell us something, or maybe
he was pointing at something that we just didn't know
(30:25):
at the time as viewers.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
He definitely got vibes. He was probably pretty intuitive about him.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, but it's interesting that people are going, hey, maybe
we should reconsider it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Aaron is though he is. He's out there saying I'm right,
I'm right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh yeah, So he's out there saying he's right. He's
validating himself. Does he feel validated at this point, Like,
does it feel like he is being validated or is
it kind of now just lost cause.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I think he definitely feels very validated. I think it's
what those things like we were talking about. He probably
wishes he got that validation when the show was aired
or when he was on the show. And you know,
Devin does something to piss Jhen off and she sends
him home but I think he's happy that he's validated,
but I don't think he's happy at how it ultimately
(31:14):
went down. I mean, just the stuff that Devin did
post show and the things that have come out about him.
I just think that's a whole nother ballpark, and I'm
not rooting for that. He's not saying yes, like did
all that, like I win kind of thing. I think
it's more just I knew something was off about that guy,
and I feel very validated knowing that it was that off,
(31:35):
if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I had a little bit of the same because I
did not have any love, no love for Noah for
the first week or two when it started airing for Noah,
Noah me for you.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, you mean on your Bachelorette season when I was on.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
And then mine, I had the privilege for it to
turn mid season and then like, oh okay, this whole
no eventit thing, here's what we're seeing. So I actually
mine was a different situation, whereas Eron's it's like now
the show's done and now he's trying to focus on,
you know, the military and everything, to where it's like
(32:15):
it's after the fact. It would have been great then
or to use then, you know, or anything like that
to maybe get him out and get more time with
Jen sort of thing. And it was after the fact,
so now it's like he's definitely feeling vindicated for it,
but it only stirs up more because Jen's ended up
being the most hurt from it because Devin ended up being,
(32:39):
you know, completely different than she thought. But it would
have been nice, I think he thought to have during
the show, but he's not mad after the fact.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So on your season, they they had you. I'm just
going to say, maybe the producers lightly suggested that you
should hand Bennett a book or was it No, it
was Bennett handed you a book. Yeah, Bennett handed you
a book about emotional intelligence? Was that correct? And then
because that was like his thing, he was so intelligent.
(33:18):
And then on this season we know that it was
a producer move that they had Aaron give Devin a
book because we know the book was actually fake, Like
they literally had him give a fake book because the
sluice out there.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
We got to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We did, because there's bachelor sluice that said that this
book didn't exist. Okay, tell us everything.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
The Four Pillars book self help book, MS sorry, four Agreements.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh, I know the Four Agreements.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So it's part of that book or is that book
different if they put a different cover on it because
they didn't. Ah, still, well, thanks for bringing light to
the situation.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
We brought light so trying to get DEVI in the
Four Agreements.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And they don't have the rights to it. Just like
a painting, they have to cover up on the show.
They can't get the rights, it's too expensive, and so
they covered up and do it that way. Yeah, that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, okay, okay, So was there a conversation was like, oh,
your brother had this book handed to him, now, like
you should hand it over.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
To somebody else. I think Aaron and I are similar
to where when I was on I was like, Okay,
I'm not going to go look for trouble, but I'm
sure as heck not going to back down if it
comes my way.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, so that's me.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, And so for me, I was going to go
out of my way to give something to Bennett. But
if Bennett felt the nerve to do something, then sure.
I think it was a similar situation to where Aaron
he's not gonna not do something if somebody to him sideways.
I think I know him pretty well enough to where
it's the perfect candidate for that to happen.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
But I really don't think he was put it two
and tune together that Noah had given a book until
after that and then watching it play out that way.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh, the producers are sitting there being like yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
In the moment, he's more like, all right, how do
I like? I don't want to look like a dick here,
but this guy's interrupting, you know, with ice cream, And
then it was like, okay, what do I do? Then
you hear people like dude, he has no awareness, give
him a book. And he's like, dude, give him a book.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I really don't think he was thinking, ooh, play on,
this is going to be a nice thing.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, okay, so he wasn't aware.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I to be.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I didn't remember. I didn't remember that scene of you
guys until it was brought to my attention that a
similar thing had happened with you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Did remember you remembered right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I think I told you you did. I was like, wow,
that's some impressive.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
That was a bizarre situation. If you put yourself in
that situation. That's a bizarre situation.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's a very weird situation. Speaking of weird situations, is
Bennett invited to the wedding?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I have no hate for Bennett because I see, I
see Senor Bennet has a baby now, so I still
he's still chirps. Also get comments and I'll chur back,
but I have no hate for you.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, Okay, Well, your brother is just a prime candidate
for Paradise and it's coming back, So what's the encouragement
level there? And like how would you prep them?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
So the timing would have to be really like just
perfect because he is doing his military stuff and it's
around the time of Paradise. If he gets the opportunity,
I am team Aaron going on Paradise. I think he
can handle all the elements of Paradise feeling, and I
think he really wants to meet his person and it
works for us. So I'm definitely team do Paradise. If
(37:06):
the opportunity works out.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, I'd say fly at sixteen's go to Paradise. If
it was held up next to each other, he should
fly up sixteens because also, you left the show because
he said that, So it's like, yeah, stick with that.
But if the timing was nice, I would love to
see a similar I liked Paradise because you can be
(37:29):
your own villain if you want. You can choose one
girl to kick it off, and if you say you're
gonna stay with her, stay with her and bounce around.
But you can kind of make what you want. There's
more options, there's more guys and stuff like that. So
I think if the timing was nice, I would love
to see Aaron go on Paradise because he I think
(37:50):
he would have a lot of fun and I think
he would get a different you'd get a different view
of him which is way less serious and way less
book givy Baby shredded. So it's like, okay, yeah he should.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He should go on the beach. Anybody has a six pack?
I always just say go on the beach, Like if
anything else, just take get your moment. Yeah, yeah, get
your moment.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Take it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Uh, speaking of books, doesn't have a six pack?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We we do have a six pack.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What we do have just a few minutes here with
you to turn them back around. Abigail. Why we're here
and what we started with is your book that's out now,
The Deaf Girl. Uh, first question, where can people find it?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
You can find The Duck Girl on Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
and Target. And I also did the audio book as well,
and that's on Audible.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
The hardest thing I've ever done was the audible book.
Reading it was awful. It took me so long. It
was so frustrating. I don't know if you had that experience.
It was harder than writing the book. For those like
week the week that I recorded.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
You should try it death.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, that would add an element.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It felt like Feasterpy all over again because I do
struggle to say certain words correctly, and there were a
lot of those words and so he there's a lot
of retakes.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
You should touch on. One of the things they kept
in the audio book is some of the incorrect words
or flow. That's not what you would expect from perfect
audiobook because that is sort of how it is.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We're just understanding. I think they were like, Okay, you're
a death, We're not going to be super critical about it.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So it's imperfect authentic.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I like that authentic, better authentic.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Genuine and authentic. Final question for you before I threw
it back to Ashley Abigail. When somebody reads the book,
they closed the book, what do you hope they get
out of the book?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
I just the biggest thing I wanted is just to
provide comfort and just feeling like you're not alone in this,
because I think when you kind of read my mom's perspective,
she fell very alone at the time. It was such
a new thing. She didn't know anybody would call her implants,
so she didn't really know where to start. And then
kind of my perspective is trying to navigate, you know,
(40:04):
all their situations in middle school, high school, college to
show and just feeling like the only person in the
world that knows what I'm going through is my sister
because she also has a hearing loss, and so I
think just trying to whoever picks up the book if
they're in a similar situation. Just knowing that there are
people out there, you know, like me, like other people
that have a very shared experience. And that was something
(40:26):
that I'm really appreciated on the book tour, was just
seeing all the people that have culplar implants and it
just is like an unspoken language that connect us, like
we could just talk for hours about all of our
shared experiences, and I kind of forgot how comforting that feels,
just to know that somebody out there knows exactly what
it feels like when you were so tired of listening
at the end of the day, or how embarrassing it
(40:49):
is when your battery dies. You know, it just seems
like that. So that's kind of the biggest thing that
I want it with the book is just for people
to feel like, you know, you have somebody going through
the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, speaking of shared experiences, do you have a friendship
with Daisy?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
We're acquaintances. I know we've connected on social media. I've
not actually gotten a chance to meet her in person,
but that was one thing I also really appreciated about
Daisy sharing her story. And something I always tried to
emphasize with hearing loss is it really is a spectrum
at the end of the day. Everyone's experience is just
so different with it. And I know she has a
cool firm plan as well, but she has a very
(41:27):
different experience. She lost her hearing later in life and
had to figure out well. I thought it was just
another really cool reminder of you know, you have two
people maybe try to label the same, but her story
is also really fascinating. But no I have not gotten
a chance to meet her in person yet.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
All right, guys, well, thank you so much for giving
us your time, especially at such a busy point of
your life. We really appreciate it and just wants you
need the best wedding day of all time.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Appreciate you guys, last long and Abby, Ben, thank you
for getting my name right this time?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
What I do last time?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What did you do last time?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
You did an.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Interview with Nate Michelle right before.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
That makes sense and that left a bad taste in
your mouth. Noah, I'm sorry. I apologize and.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
To bring it up.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
This is the new start to something special, Noah, Abigail again.
You can get The Deaf Girl pretty much wherever you
can get books, but Barnes and Noble you said Amazon
and the third one you said, target the Deaf Girls out.
Now make sure you go check it out. Appreciate you both,
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Thanks guys, Hie.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Sais podcast. Today we
are joined by one of Bachelor Nations. Happily ever after
Noah and Abigail are here. They're going to tell us,
hopefully about their wedding next month, and Abigail's new book
that's coming out, and of course we're going to try
to get some dirt from Noah about his brother Aaron's
(00:29):
stint on The Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hey, guys, welcome.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Thanks guys for having us.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Howdy howdy you guys. It's really fun to see the
two of you, because I do feel like, coming out
of Paradise, you're one of the last couples that I
can vividly remember making it work after Paradise, and now
that Paradise is gone, we don't have a lot of
other couples to celebrate, so I'm really glad that you
(00:56):
came here to talk to us. Abigail, you obviously have
been working really hard on this new project, and that's
where I want to kick it off. You have this
incredible book, your memoir coming out. How much time did
you put into like making this book happen.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, so The Deaf Girl is about three years in
the making. It's just a lot of work that goes
into a book that I just didn't really know about
going into it. But yeah, it took my mom and
I about three years to kind of think about what
angle we wanted to do and just putting the words
on the pages, and it just came out I think
two weeks ago now. So we just busy. We did
(01:35):
a little book tour and trying to do that while
you know, finishing up planning the wedding was a lot
this month. But now I was just really proud of
the book and hopefully I can reach people going through
a similar thing that my mom and I went through.
That was kind of the biggest goal with The Deaf Girl.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Can you explain how you decided to have your mom's
perspective about having a child who is death in the book.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, So during that season kind of when that was airing,
I felt like the questions were pretty split. I think
half of the people were really curious about just my
experience of culplor implant hearing loss. But most of the
questions I felt like, we're actually from parents of little
kids that just got the diagnosis. They are just so lost,
(02:20):
so confused, just so many questions, a lot worries, and
so I just thought my mom's perspective would be really
valuable in that sense of just hearing from somebody that
has been through it, and I guess in a way
is on the other end of it. I think just
having that kind of support in the book, we just
felt like it would be really beneficial for those families.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
The title is striking. I think when you read it
the Deaf Girl. What made you title this the deaf Girl?
Because I know you've also talked publicly about how that
phrasing or categorization of you maybe for a long time
with some that you stayed away from. So why do
you call it then the thing that you were most
(03:04):
you know, pushing back on.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, it's a little ironic, but you know, I think
just growing up I just never really identified as being deaf.
It just was the title that I just didn't really
well partly identified with, just because growing up I always
thought the deaf community was the sign language community, and
I don't use sign language, and so I just never
fully identified with it. And then combined with just kind
(03:27):
of going on the show I think that was kind
of my first taste of feeling tokenized, I think in
a sense of just people you know, referring to me
as the deaf girl, calling me fraugile and all these things,
and kind of just a lot of stereotypes around kind
of disability and dating. And so when coming up with
the title, I definitely wanted something catchy, So I think
(03:48):
it did the job there. But I think also with
just the goal of you know, this is a label,
but if you open up the book, there's, you know,
so much more that goes on behind the label, And
so I just really wanted to encourage people just to
you know, see the title, have questions, and then open
it up and realize that, you know, it's so much
more than, you know, just the label that other people
(04:09):
try to assign to you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Noah, how is it? Is there any difference being in
a relationship with somebody who is deaf them being a
relationship with somebody who is.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Not none at all? It's totally the same. No, I'm
just kidding. There are obviously there are. There are definitely differences.
And for us it's interesting because I feel like a
lot of stuff we go out of our way to
talk about it and then it just becomes not a
big deal. That's kind of how we approach dating and
(04:44):
deafness and all the ins and outs. There's a lot
of things I would have never thought about. That's part
of what I did like about the book is, you know,
I've a background in nursing. I've been around you know,
deaf people before, quote unquote, so I kind of had
it all figured out right, But reading the book is
(05:04):
a whole different view of life to me, even with
you know, a medical background and so, you know, a difference,
like a small difference is I have to repeat myself
multiple times. That's not something that's normal i'd say from
a previous relationship. But this person, actually, you know, loves
(05:25):
so I have no problem repeating myself. But yeah, I'll
say the same thing five times over or in the morning.
She won't have her quicklar im plane on. That's an adjustment.
I gotta go find her around the house, you know,
text her, see where she's at. But it's little things
like that that I guess could be seen as an inconvenience,
but kind of throughout the day and it's a back
(05:48):
and forth, they're not that huge. I'd say, there's like
some safety things and some like considerations that I would
have never thought because I've never been deaf. But it's
one of those things that obviously having a book is
like a cheat code because I get a glimpse into
her life. But it's one of those things that you
just kind of slowly, I don't know, adapt to, I
(06:11):
guess without thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Building on Ashley's question a bit, I know when I
wrote my book, my wife read it, and there was
just so much that she learned about me by reading it,
and stuff I didn't realize that she didn't know, or
maybe just like I hadn't, I forgot to tell her
or never thought about telling her or whatever. No, what
are some things that stood out to you when you
(06:44):
read the book that were new to you after being
together for now? How many years have you? Guys dated? Four? Three?
Three and a half Yeah, three and a half, so
three and a half years together. You feel like you
know everything. But I'm sure there's some stuff that popped up.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I mean, most of it, honestly, was the childhood. You know,
everyone everyone thinks they live a very unique life, and
then you hear about someone else's life. You're like Okay,
there are similarities, but there's also some stark differences. So
I think a lot of hers was U.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Said, Paradise a little bit too, You learned somethings.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, And my perception of like why I'm on Paradise
thinking to myself, Okay, this is pretty back, Like this
is an obvious thing. I say I love you, you say
you love me. We're both happy, we both like each other.
We you know, get married and live happily ever after.
But I never even until honestly, until reading the book,
(07:44):
I never even thought of how different her experience was
than mine. Just just the things like me thinking, Okay,
this chick doesn't want to talk, whereas her she's like, okay,
I'm trying to figure out who's talking. You're not even
facing me, You're drinking of mimosa, looking at you know,
(08:05):
a bird talking to me casually. It's like there's all
these things that I never even thought could contribute to
her not being outspoken or whatever, you know, the thought was.
So it was kind of like her experience on Paradise
made more sense to me. The hardships with her mom's
perspective and Rachel and you know, this was an age
(08:27):
without the Internet, I kind of just assume everyone's treated well,
you know, we all love each other, but that's not
the case. You know, I've met so many girls on
the book tour that specifically asked about dating and how
hard it's been, and you'd think, oh, okay, everyone's life
experience isn't the same as mine. So it's just a
lot of different I guess, lenses that I would have
(08:49):
never thought of unless I, like you said, specifically asked her,
which that's a very nuanced or weird thing to specifically ask.
So it was kind of cool getting that perspective, but
it was, you know, a lot of different perspective that
I had never thought of.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
That's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Writing a book is always a massive undertaking an Abigail,
I know this is one that was obviously near and
dear to your heart. Did you find it difficult, like
remembering some of the ways that you were mistreated or
some of the ways that you felt like an outsider
as a child, and then even going on paradise remembering that,
(09:30):
like I don't want to call it an insecurity maybe,
but just like that inner dialogue that you're having where
it's like, I don't know if Noah's actually into me
because he has his back turned to me and he's
not really talking to me. Was it hard to relive
any of these moments as you put it on paper?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, so, I mean definitely, like the early childhood stuff
that was hard to remember. So I think that's why
having my mom's perspective was really valuable and bringing her in.
And then with like the show and Paradise, I think
both of those were difficult, but I think much needed
to work through because I think I had just always
felt like how I acted on the shows in the
(10:09):
sense of just having kind of that inner dialogue and
feeling of like, you know, I didn't fully enjoy that experience.
You know, why is that or why did I react
that way when mad or Noah did those things, and
just unpacking a lot of that, and I think just
even past my disability, I think it was just a
lot of like dating tendencies as well, and just trying
(10:31):
to figure out, Okay, I'm feeling a certain way about this,
but it's like therapy. It's like, Okay, I gotta work
through it. I got to unpack all the layers and
really dive deep and try to figure out Okay, why
did I respond that way or why was I feeling
that way in the underlying issue, And so that was
something I've never really had to do before. I think
the show was the first time I really ever had
to like talk about my feelings out loud, So there's
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that element, and then writing the book alone, having to
do that on a different magnitude really uncomfortable at first,
but I'm really proud that I did it. But that
was definitely one of I think the uncomfortable moments was
just laying all of that out there and just kind
of letting people digest it however they want to and
their perspectives on it. But so far it's been it's
(11:16):
been good. I'm only gone kind feedback, so that's good.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I will say. It has been cool to watch it
go from which I didn't really know she was intent
on writing a book until I started to see, you know,
she's done so many meetings with her mom. Who's this
other lady I should probably ask questions? So it's cool
to see it transform from you know, a passion project
getting the story out with her mom's perspective, to seeing
(11:45):
a little bit of the reaction from the deaf community,
the non deaf community people and it taking on its
whole kind of own thing. When all of it started
was try to like figure out what her life story
was with her mom and get it out there for people.
So it has been really cool to see it take
its own sort of form, whatever that is. You know,
(12:07):
who knows, but it has been cool to see.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
That's super fun.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Getting off the topic a little bit and still talking
about Paradise, you guys are one of quite a bit
of couples who have come off Paradise and ended up
getting engaged off the show, and you're getting married next month.
Now that we're a little bit removed from it, can
(12:32):
you guys let us in a little bit on how
the breakup went down on Paradise, Like was it really legit?
Because like we're all, you know, we get it here.
Sometimes they're like, well, if you can't propose to her tomorrow,
then you better break up with her today.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
I so that was, like them a long question we
got even in person when people would like come up
to us after Paradise, they were life, it is the
breakup real? And yes, the breakup was very real. Like
that was a big shot to me. I really thought
we were going to leave Paradise together, and it was
one of those things I'm writing the book when I
went back and obviously watching the show back, I was like, Okay,
(13:12):
I really should not have been that surprised that it
was coming. And I think for a few reasons. So
I think the biggest one is we told producers from
day one that we were not going to get engaged
on the show. That was just something that Yeah, I
think that was just something that we had talked about
because we had the first date and that was something
that we had talked about, you know, kind of what
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your goal of paradise is, and we were taking it seriously.
But I just think the idea of an engagement after
two weeks really scared us, and so we just said,
we're just going to take that pressure off. We're just
going to get to know each other. So I don't
know if maybe that was like an angle that the
producers maybe saw with us, and then just a lack
(13:53):
of communication. I mean, you guys saw he said I
love you. I'm TuS misheard. Last didn't think he intended
to say it because we had a conversation saying that
we weren't gonna feel rush to say I Love You again,
taking things slow and he said it out left field.
So it was just so many like things that we
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just could not be on the same page about. And
I think a big part of that was the show's
timing of everything, like it's just like, Okay, this is
the week of I Love you, this is the week
of fantasy suites, and I think we just we're got it. Yeah,
he just really struggled. I think, keep up with that
timeline while trying to figure out, okay, do we really
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like each other? Is the elements of paradise and so
all of it was very real. But I think that's
why it was really easy for us to reconnect afterwards.
And I think people get hung up on that of
Danielle saying he said that you were his person, how
can you get back together with him? And part of me,
it's like, the thing is, it's the show's elements, Like
we might not be each other's people on the show
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in that element, is really hard to find somebody that
you match up perfectly with in that environment. You know,
it works for some couples, but it didn't work for us.
And but I think once you take away the show element,
it was really easy for us to get back together.
So yeah, that's kind of if that answers the question.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
For me, it was no, it was definitely real. I
get made fun of because I like would disappear to
the beach and walk around, and I think it was
actually uh beca. I had a good conversation with Becca.
I was out there journaling and She's like, dude, what
am I doing here? And I'm like, dude, I feel you.
And I was so perplexed because I had this little
(15:43):
inkling of there's something special, but it was like always
so like so close and then not quite and it
was so close and then not quite. So for like
the I love you in real life, if I said
I love you and the girl was just kind of
like yeah, that would be kind of like okay, what
(16:05):
was that? So that for me was like the final
things weren't working out, but I wanted them to. So
it got to a point where it was like is
it me forcing? Like am I forcing this just because
I have a little feeling? And then you have the
show element the producers and she was slow and I
was pretty gung host. So once I made the decision
(16:27):
like all right, this is not it, I don't care
if I look bad, I just need to get it
out and go home. Like That's kind of the point
that I got to where it's like there's no going back.
At that point, I was just so done with kind
of everything. I was just tired, you know. I'm like,
I wanted to work out, but it's not working out.
(16:47):
So for after the show, it was easy because I'm
like this, I can totally control. You know. We went
out to a cabin in Oregon with no cell phone
service and it's just us, and if we can't get along,
just us, it's that's a pretty good answer. There's nobody
to blame, you know for that. So after it was
perfect because it was just like, all right, what was that?
(17:09):
Is there still any feeling here? Let's figure it out.
But at the time, it's just the emotions were so high,
but they were at different places that it just didn't
match up.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
What was that conversation like when you decided to go
to the cabin?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So yeah, where you at?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
No, it was a little bit more classy than that.
He texted me when we were flying out. So we
actually had to stay an extra day, I think, just
to film some follow up interviews and stuff. So I
actually didn't fly until two days after the break up,
and he sent me a text at the airport, I
think Jess, a very neutral text of Jess, I'm so
sorry that it had to play out.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
That way, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
But you know, I was feeling a certain type of things,
and of course I'm calling him out, and he just said,
can we have a phone call and just kind of
house things out. So we did have a long phone
call when I landed in New York because I was
living there at the time, and then kind of texted
a little bit for a few days, but there was
just no, oh, we're about together. It was kind of
(18:14):
like a situation ship at that point. I was like,
I can't do that. When the show's about to air,
you break up with me, Like that's just taking me back.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And I was thinking that, but I'm like I want
to see, like I just want to see what's there.
But I can't fully commit to this after because if
I say you're not my person and then the following
week I get back with you and then we break up. Also,
it's like, okay, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (18:37):
This is so I know, yeah, I said, we can't
talk anymore, like we just need to take space kind
of thing.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I think.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We took two days and he texted me and said,
I want to fly out. I want to come see you.
I want to see you make this work. And I
said bet, and he came out to Oregon and it
was just a really good trip. Like I think that's
just like what we need. It was just two people,
no producers, no agenda, just are we compatible and.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
We're to start with the basics.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, I love it. That's all you have to do
is not talk to him for a few days. Then
I'll call you like I must see you.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, now you're definitely compatible. You do have a wedding
coming up. This is a really really exciting thing to
talk about because I think Bachelor Nation has been eagerly
awaiting the day of your wedding. Now ninety people have
been invited, and this is where my curiosity spiked. How
(19:37):
because I just remember this time when I was getting married.
How did you guys decide on ninety people? And how
in the world are you telling people or they're not
getting the invite, You're not even telling them, they're just
not getting invited. How did you kind of filter it down?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I actually called people and told them they weren't getting invited.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Wow, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you for that? See headline.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Wait, I think that way we're at your wedding.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
He had four hundred because he couldn't say no to anyone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I had one eighty.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Okay, that's a good in between. That's what our conversation
was because I'm from Tulsa and my whole family's from here,
and she's got friends here. So it was like, Okay,
if we do just all the bros and all of
our friends, it's like it's going to be five hundred people,
and we'd like to do people that we've actually spent
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time with in the last both of us in the
last three years.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
So we definitely wanted a smaller wedding. But he's won
of ten eleven siblings, so his family alone is already
just Busea's no, yeah, yeah. So the smallest that we
could get it would be fifty and that would just
be family. Of course, we wanted our friends there, so
we got it to ninety. So that was the smallest
we could keep it while getting everyone that we have
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a lot of time together and that was the requirement.
We said, people can't come to twenty if they haven't
met both of us. So we're not doing plus ones.
We're not inviting that I died because it or you know,
anything like that. We're not meeting people for the first
time on our wedding.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
What's that Billie Eilish bad Guys song? That's kind of
what it was. It was like, Okay, unless we know him,
it's going to be a lot of awkward conversations of
me I did. I called some of my friends and
basically said, YO, love you. You're not invited, but I
love you. Let's hang out soon, which she thought was weird.
(21:34):
I thought it was necessary. It's just we made a
hard cut off where it's like, Okay, I hope we
It's our wedding, so that's all we care about is
our wedding. I hope it's not such a big deal
that people aren't invited, that we're not friends. That's kind
of weird. But it's going to be under one hundred
people regardless.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
But I don't think we know four hundred people, So
I don't know how you got four hundred people that.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He has a lot of connections in life's Fred's quick,
you know it does.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Did you talk to everybody at your wedding when there's
four hundred people?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I did? We did, I think, talk to every single person,
which made it absolutely exhausting. I actually find it incredibly
admirable of you to call up the people that weren't
good bye, thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
That's what I was hoping they would think.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, No, I think it is great, and I like
your rule that is like, if we haven't seen you
in three years, you're not obviously invited. And what I
did is yeah, we had, of course, like people there
that I had never met before from Jared's side, but
we were just like, I'm not meeting anyone for the
first time, so I'm going to say hi to my people,
You're gonna say hi to yours, but I'm not going
to like good, I'm not going over to your side.
(22:44):
Your side, Yeah, because we had that's how we had
the room split up, like my friends and family, his
friends and family, and it was like, I'm not going
to waste time saying hello to people that I've never
met or have met like once or twice.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Why would I waste time talking to people that my
husband loves you?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Know, like obviously his family and people he cares about,
and friends that I have met before and love, but
not the right people, like not his cousins that he
really doesn't Yeah, actually.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He just hasn't met. I would have loved us all
to have hung out more before, but it's like, okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
What about Bachelor Nations. So there are some Bachelor Nation
people who made the cut. It was easy for them
to meet you in the last three and a half
years because some of them are on the same show
when you met. So how did you decide from Bachelor
Nation who was coming and who wouldn't be.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I mean it's kind of the same requirement, which is
whoever we have maintained a relationship with post filming. I
think we have a lot of friends in bastfor Nation,
but I think it's only a smaller group that we've
seen consistently outside of.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Like with just us, we have some guys from my season, Ivan, DeMar, Blake, Zach.
I maintained pretty close with them. Joe's coming because Serena.
We like Serena a lot.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, Like we don't like Joe though, huh.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
But he's a good plus one great.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Time because I just saw Joe and Serena and they
were like, oh, we have Abigail Noah's wedding next and
so for you to delay just in naming Joe on
your list right there was really that's so good because
I actually believe that Noah thinks of him as a
plus one that he's met before.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yeah, I like that with them, and they do a
lot of fun. We we do love them, So it's
it's the same criteria Thomas and Becca. We got to
spend a lot of time with them when we lived
in San Diego, and we're we have like a packed
a babysitting packed for when we have kids. So we're excited.
(24:55):
We're excited.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's uh, it's gonna be a good group. And I
always love a little Joe raz because he deserves it
and he can handle it, and he handles it very hilariously.
Now to transition completely to kind of that wedding day, Noah,
how much involvement have you had in the planning process
(25:16):
before I ask these questions.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I'm a smart man and I got a wedding planner
in the group chat. I've done all the meetings, but
you know, I don't care about the color of the flowers. Yeah,
the so for we have a lot of meetings, I'll
pop in for the things that I care about, which
is music, good food, and I wanted to make sure
(25:41):
we had lemon and cucumber water.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Let's go. That's nice. I like that of it.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Like I chime in on the details, like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Sounds good. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Because it was ninety people, were you guys able to
put it together relatively quickly? Because I remember Abigail, it
was like, I feel like this spring that you said
on Instagram that you were like, oh, we don't have
a date. We haven't really started planning. Then all of
a sudden, you gotta yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
So we actually didn't start planning, I want to say
until spring. It was one of those things we got
engaged and then we started working on our house, and
so we just kind of kept putting it off because
the home projects and everything. We said, when the house
is done, we'll get married, and then spring rolled around
we were like, okay, this house is no, we're close
to being done. Done, the house will never be done. Okay,
let's play on the wedding. Let's take a break. And
(26:28):
with ninety people, it was easier just because we are
communic communicating with those people a lot more than I think,
like it extended guest list, so I think just figuring
out who can come, who can getting them in Oklahoma too,
I feel like it's easier than like California, Like vendors
aren't booked crazy far in the bands, Like there's just
(26:49):
a lot more but it's not as competitive, I guess.
So we were able to book everything that we wanted
and then also just having a really good wedding planner
definitely helped us.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
There's a common theme that I'm learning with us is
things don't go, but when they go, they go fast.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, that's how you guys operate.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Apparently, Yeah twenty was quit, but it was a lot.
So that's why we're just so ready for the wedding
to be here. And like we are just not planners.
We don't enjoy planning, so it's definitely been outside of
our comfort zone planning a wedding, but we're very excited
for it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But just yeah, soak up the day. I can't say
I was like absolutely ecstatic for the wedding day because
I was more anxious about the event, but it was
It will go down as one of the most fun
days I've ever had, and so make it fun. It's
kind of a night that you don't get judged because
it's your day. You can do whatever you want, and
(27:49):
so we just went all out. It was great. I
hope this wedding is something that you two look back
on with a big old smile. But obviously you guys
are already smiling because your relationships in such a good place.
So I hope to not ruin anything in your relationship
with this question, but I want to shoot it to
Abigail first. Abigail, you heard or you knew that Noah's
(28:11):
brother was going to be going on the Bachelorette this year.
You know his brother obviously fairly well, there's a lot
of them. I don't know how you know them all.
Were you confident that he was going to show up
and show out well or were you nervous about how
he was going to be on the show, knowing him
before the show started, trying.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
To start some family job right before no.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I said, I have no interest in that, but if
you do, that's good for our podcast, so I don't
mind it either.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yeah, So with Aaron, when he said he was going
on the show, I was really excited for him, and
I thought he would do really well on it. Jess.
I think he's a good looking guy, He's very charismatic,
and I think he, out of the three of us,
I think is the most open in terms of having
kind of those deep conversations, like moving quickly doesn't scare him.
(29:05):
I think just some of the elements of the show
I think can be off putting for people, like being
proposed that proposing at the end the timeline everything, I
was like, no, I think he can handle all of
that and handle it really well. Watching it back, I
think there were things that we didn't really expect from him.
(29:26):
He was pretty tight lift when he came home, and
so I was thinking, you know, he probably just had
an average experience, maybe just didn't hit it off with
her super well. And then watching it back and seeing
his storyline and everything, I was not expecting it. I
was not expecting it. But I think he ended up
being right at the end of the day. But I
(29:47):
think to this day, we still don't really know what
Devin did in the house that trying to all the
guys off from him. We still don't know that, But
he ended up being right. So I us he knew.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Something that we thought.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's interesting that you say that. I haven't thought of
it that way. Revisionist history is interesting when at the
time we're like, hey, he's just being a jerk to Devon,
and then the show gets done, we see the behaviors
of Devon here as of recent and we go, well,
maybe he was trying to tell us something, or maybe
he was pointing at something that we just didn't know
(30:25):
at the time as viewers.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
He definitely got vibes. He was probably pretty intuitive about him.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, but it's interesting that people are going, hey, maybe
we should reconsider it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Aaron is though he is. He's out there saying I'm right,
I'm right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh yeah, So he's out there saying he's right. He's
validating himself. Does he feel validated at this point, Like,
does it feel like he is being validated or is
it kind of now just lost cause.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I think he definitely feels very validated. I think it's
what those things like we were talking about. He probably
wishes he got that validation when the show was aired
or when he was on the show. And you know,
Devin does something to piss Jhen off and she sends
him home but I think he's happy that he's validated,
but I don't think he's happy at how it ultimately
(31:14):
went down. I mean, just the stuff that Devin did
post show and the things that have come out about him.
I just think that's a whole nother ballpark, and I'm
not rooting for that. He's not saying yes, like did
all that, like I win kind of thing. I think
it's more just I knew something was off about that guy,
and I feel very validated knowing that it was that off,
(31:35):
if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I had a little bit of the same because I
did not have any love, no love for Noah for
the first week or two when it started airing for Noah,
Noah me for you.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, you mean on your Bachelorette season when I was on.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
And then mine, I had the privilege for it to
turn mid season and then like, oh okay, this whole
no eventit thing, here's what we're seeing. So I actually
mine was a different situation, whereas Eron's it's like now
the show's done and now he's trying to focus on,
you know, the military and everything, to where it's like
(32:15):
it's after the fact. It would have been great then
or to use then, you know, or anything like that
to maybe get him out and get more time with
Jen sort of thing. And it was after the fact,
so now it's like he's definitely feeling vindicated for it,
but it only stirs up more because Jen's ended up
being the most hurt from it because Devin ended up being,
(32:39):
you know, completely different than she thought. But it would
have been nice, I think he thought to have during
the show, but he's not mad after the fact.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So on your season, they they had you. I'm just
going to say, maybe the producers lightly suggested that you
should hand Bennett a book or was it No, it
was Bennett handed you a book. Yeah, Bennett handed you
a book about emotional intelligence? Was that correct? And then
because that was like his thing, he was so intelligent.
(33:18):
And then on this season we know that it was
a producer move that they had Aaron give Devin a
book because we know the book was actually fake, Like
they literally had him give a fake book because the
sluice out there.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
We got to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We did, because there's bachelor sluice that said that this
book didn't exist. Okay, tell us everything.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
The Four Pillars book self help book, MS sorry, four Agreements.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh, I know the Four Agreements.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So it's part of that book or is that book
different if they put a different cover on it because
they didn't. Ah, still, well, thanks for bringing light to
the situation.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
We brought light so trying to get DEVI in the
Four Agreements.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And they don't have the rights to it. Just like
a painting, they have to cover up on the show.
They can't get the rights, it's too expensive, and so
they covered up and do it that way. Yeah, that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, okay, okay, So was there a conversation was like, oh,
your brother had this book handed to him, now, like
you should hand it over.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
To somebody else. I think Aaron and I are similar
to where when I was on I was like, Okay,
I'm not going to go look for trouble, but I'm
sure as heck not going to back down if it
comes my way.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, so that's me.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, And so for me, I was going to go
out of my way to give something to Bennett. But
if Bennett felt the nerve to do something, then sure.
I think it was a similar situation to where Aaron
he's not gonna not do something if somebody to him sideways.
I think I know him pretty well enough to where
it's the perfect candidate for that to happen.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
But I really don't think he was put it two
and tune together that Noah had given a book until
after that and then watching it play out that way.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh, the producers are sitting there being like yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
In the moment, he's more like, all right, how do
I like? I don't want to look like a dick here,
but this guy's interrupting, you know, with ice cream, And
then it was like, okay, what do I do? Then
you hear people like dude, he has no awareness, give
him a book. And he's like, dude, give him a book.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I really don't think he was thinking, ooh, play on,
this is going to be a nice thing.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, okay, so he wasn't aware.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I to be.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I didn't remember. I didn't remember that scene of you
guys until it was brought to my attention that a
similar thing had happened with you.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Did remember you remembered right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I think I told you you did. I was like, wow,
that's some impressive.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
That was a bizarre situation. If you put yourself in
that situation. That's a bizarre situation.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's a very weird situation. Speaking of weird situations, is
Bennett invited to the wedding?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I have no hate for Bennett because I see, I
see Senor Bennet has a baby now, so I still
he's still chirps. Also get comments and I'll chur back,
but I have no hate for you.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, Okay, Well, your brother is just a prime candidate
for Paradise and it's coming back, So what's the encouragement
level there? And like how would you prep them?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
So the timing would have to be really like just
perfect because he is doing his military stuff and it's
around the time of Paradise. If he gets the opportunity,
I am team Aaron going on Paradise. I think he
can handle all the elements of Paradise feeling, and I
think he really wants to meet his person and it
works for us. So I'm definitely team do Paradise. If
(37:06):
the opportunity works out.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, I'd say fly at sixteen's go to Paradise. If
it was held up next to each other, he should
fly up sixteens because also, you left the show because
he said that, So it's like, yeah, stick with that.
But if the timing was nice, I would love to
see a similar I liked Paradise because you can be
(37:29):
your own villain if you want. You can choose one
girl to kick it off, and if you say you're
gonna stay with her, stay with her and bounce around.
But you can kind of make what you want. There's
more options, there's more guys and stuff like that. So
I think if the timing was nice, I would love
to see Aaron go on Paradise because he I think
(37:50):
he would have a lot of fun and I think
he would get a different you'd get a different view
of him which is way less serious and way less
book givy Baby shredded. So it's like, okay, yeah he should.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
He should go on the beach. Anybody has a six pack?
I always just say go on the beach, Like if
anything else, just take get your moment. Yeah, yeah, get
your moment.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Take it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Uh, speaking of books, doesn't have a six pack?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We we do have a six pack.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What we do have just a few minutes here with
you to turn them back around. Abigail. Why we're here
and what we started with is your book that's out now,
The Deaf Girl. Uh, first question, where can people find it?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
You can find The Duck Girl on Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
and Target. And I also did the audio book as well,
and that's on Audible.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
The hardest thing I've ever done was the audible book.
Reading it was awful. It took me so long. It
was so frustrating. I don't know if you had that experience.
It was harder than writing the book. For those like
week the week that I recorded.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
You should try it death.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, that would add an element.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It felt like Feasterpy all over again because I do
struggle to say certain words correctly, and there were a
lot of those words and so he there's a lot
of retakes.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
You should touch on. One of the things they kept
in the audio book is some of the incorrect words
or flow. That's not what you would expect from perfect
audiobook because that is sort of how it is.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
We're just understanding. I think they were like, Okay, you're
a death, We're not going to be super critical about it.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So it's imperfect authentic.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I like that authentic, better authentic.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Genuine and authentic. Final question for you before I threw
it back to Ashley Abigail. When somebody reads the book,
they closed the book, what do you hope they get
out of the book?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
I just the biggest thing I wanted is just to
provide comfort and just feeling like you're not alone in this,
because I think when you kind of read my mom's perspective,
she fell very alone at the time. It was such
a new thing. She didn't know anybody would call her implants,
so she didn't really know where to start. And then
kind of my perspective is trying to navigate, you know,
(40:04):
all their situations in middle school, high school, college to
show and just feeling like the only person in the
world that knows what I'm going through is my sister
because she also has a hearing loss, and so I
think just trying to whoever picks up the book if
they're in a similar situation. Just knowing that there are
people out there, you know, like me, like other people
that have a very shared experience. And that was something
(40:26):
that I'm really appreciated on the book tour, was just
seeing all the people that have culplar implants and it
just is like an unspoken language that connect us, like
we could just talk for hours about all of our
shared experiences, and I kind of forgot how comforting that feels,
just to know that somebody out there knows exactly what
it feels like when you were so tired of listening
at the end of the day, or how embarrassing it
(40:49):
is when your battery dies. You know, it just seems
like that. So that's kind of the biggest thing that
I want it with the book is just for people
to feel like, you know, you have somebody going through
the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, speaking of shared experiences, do you have a friendship
with Daisy?
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Now?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
We're acquaintances. I know we've connected on social media. I've
not actually gotten a chance to meet her in person,
but that was one thing I also really appreciated about
Daisy sharing her story. And something I always tried to
emphasize with hearing loss is it really is a spectrum
at the end of the day. Everyone's experience is just
so different with it. And I know she has a
cool firm plan as well, but she has a very
(41:27):
different experience. She lost her hearing later in life and
had to figure out well. I thought it was just
another really cool reminder of you know, you have two
people maybe try to label the same, but her story
is also really fascinating. But no I have not gotten
a chance to meet her in person yet.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
All right, guys, well, thank you so much for giving
us your time, especially at such a busy point of
your life. We really appreciate it and just wants you
need the best wedding day of all time.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Appreciate you guys, last long and Abby, Ben, thank you
for getting my name right this time?
Speaker 3 (42:07):
What I do last time?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What did you do last time?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
You did an.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Interview with Nate Michelle right before.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
That makes sense and that left a bad taste in
your mouth. Noah, I'm sorry. I apologize and.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
To bring it up.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
This is the new start to something special, Noah, Abigail again.
You can get The Deaf Girl pretty much wherever you
can get books, but Barnes and Noble you said Amazon
and the third one you said, target the Deaf Girls out.
Now make sure you go check it out. Appreciate you both,
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Thanks guys, Hie.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
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