Hosts Chris Williamson and Sharí Nycole welcome guest host Justin Walters to discuss the Men’s and Women’s championship games - and the excellent coaching of Dawn Staley and Dan Hurley. Plus, Sharí sounds off on the media to tell us why she’s tired, Justin reminds us of the definition of “Uncommon Favor,” and Chris’ Jumpball is the discussion of the fascination with young women athletes in this episode of 3 on 3.
►3on3 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/3on3pod/
►3on3 X- https://twitter.com/the3on3Pod
►3on3 YouTube Chanel - https://www.youtube.com/@3on3Pocast
►Inflection Network YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@TheINflectionNetwork
► Inflection Network Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/inflectionent/?hl=en
Chris Williamson
► Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/cwilliamsontv9/?hl=en
► X | https://twitter.com/CWilliamson44
Terrika Foster-Brasby
► Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/sheknowssports_/
► X | https://twitter.com/sheknowssports
Sharí Nycole
► Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/shari_nycole/
► X | https://twitter.com/Shari_Nycole
Justin Walters
► Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/justinwalterstv/
► X | https://twitter.com/justinwalterstv
#3on3pod #AllIN #InflectionNetwork
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to another edition of the Three Out Three Pod.
Championship Week has come and gone. I'm joined by the
one and Know on niche Arenicole. What's going on? How
you feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's up Chris and everybody out there? I feel good.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I have new headphones, Praise God. And I also have
my special shirt that I'll talk about in a moment.
For all those Iowa fanatics that were trolling us the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Amen, great, Oh yeah, he's a whole lot more than
you were.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Oh yes, you're.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Getting all these pearly whites today everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And then we have to bring in the special guest host,
Justin Walter's host of the a SEC Network, also reporter
doing great work over there at ESPN ACC Network, filling
in for Tarika Foster Brasby for this week.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Justin, what's good with you?
Speaker 6 (00:54):
Man? Feeling good? Fresh off of flight, just touched down.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
As Charlotte was also in the land recently for the
women's Final four.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
It was a vibe out there. Yeah, I'm hotered appreciate
the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hey, we are happy that you're on this call or
you're on this show for this week, and I gotta
tell y'all like the fact that the men's game was
at nine to twenty. It's not new, But I think
as we get older, we just get much more tired
so that we want the earlier star time and then
(01:26):
for it to be much of a dud of a game.
Like Sure, in the first half it was cool, Zach
Eating was doing his thing, but then Dan Hurley, a maniac,
figured it out. Was like, all right, Eat, you gonna
get your buckets. But Fletcher Lawyer, Brayden Smith last year,
you ain't y'all getting no threes. And what's really fascinating
(01:48):
about Yukon and Sharia, I want your perspective on this first, is.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Just how fundamentally sound they are.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They go back to back and this is a team
that lost a couple key pieces last year and then they.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Reload get some transfers.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Cam Spincher was a great addition, Stefan Castle the freshmen,
and they have the biggest point differential in tournament history. Yeah,
plus one that that's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's sick, it's sick.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I want to address the comment first of all about
the time zone of dear Ncuba.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Stop doing that to us.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
If you're gonna have West Coast games, then they'll just
have to have a noon tip off. Nobody has time
for this. I don't know if you guys are familiar or.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
I do this. I'm a couch dozer.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I doze off on the couch every night, and sometimes
when you doze, you get so sleepy you just turn
away from the TV.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So I did a turn away, like during like the tail.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
End a halftime, and I woke up just in time
to catch like the mid third quarter and on. But
please don't do that to us anymore. I'll be thirty eight.
I don't have I just don't have capacity. But I
will tell you this, Chris, I was so impressed with
their poise, their guard play, how they moved the basketball.
And I said this on an earlier episode. They just
didn't look beatable.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
To me.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Purdue was throwing them their best shot. They're legitimate best shot,
and I just feel like their guards they take such
good care of the ball. They're so quick, they knock
down big shots. Anytime it looks like or I should
say it looked like Purdue was going to do some
type of come back run.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What have you?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You kind of said, Oh, no, let's turn up for
a second. So I'm just so impressed with and just
this entire season, how they've been able to be so stable,
so poised, and literally withstand whatever run, tempo or anything
else others teams try to throw at them. They're just
that talented and interestingly enough to your point, Chris, not
just individually but collectively. And that's something like from a
(03:48):
Kentucky we didn't get to see. We didn't see the
collectiveness of greatness. We only saw the individual greatness. And
so I think that speaks to Yukon and obviously coach
Early and all the great work.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That he's done.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And justin Dan Hurley was talking that shit after the Yeah,
like heyo.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
As he should, like as he should. He told us
in twenty twenty he said, you cat is coming. Before
we go into Yuka's dominance. I gotta agree with sure,
like I'm hooked like Friede, like straight up Throby in
the pan. If the biggest game of the year I
either Super Bowl starts before seven point thirty, there is
(04:26):
no excuse we can't find a happy medium. And here's
my reason why. You can start the game earlier, or
you should have started the game earlier is because of
the point differential. You pointed out, Chris, mind you, if
you don't have a rooting interest in this game, why
are you gonna be staying up past halftime? And the
halftime score was close. But once he gets out of PM,
I'm out of here.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I stayed up. I stayed up for this game because I.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Was like, yea, I'm about to be on the pod,
people gonna ask you about this. I might as well
know what happened. And I'm glad I did say it,
but I'm almost a part of me is like, you
could have really pushed us a little bit earlier, out
of earlier, like there's no reason for this nonsense, but
for you cod In general, though, it was exciting just
to see them win back to back championships, the fact
that they did it in this era, the transfer portal,
(05:10):
losing pieces from last season, and then last year they
won by a point differential or parted by an average
amount of points twenty. They said, oh, ye're not impressed.
This year we got win by twenty three point three,
So they just took it to another level. Hurley was
allowed to build this program. This was an overnight success.
He was hired in twenty eighteen and you see a
(05:31):
lot of these schools you're hoping for a quick fix,
but it's really tough to do it in this era.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
You have look at SC State squad.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Majority of their team was all rosters that are part
of all transfers and animated to the out of four.
It's really difficult to make it this far and then
to reload. But they're building a dynasty and I think
what Hurley's been doing is super impressive. Over there, you
caught right now has to be top of the college
basketball world. I'm not gonna say it's as cold what
Florida did when they did repeats, because with that albar
(06:02):
for Corey Bruce squad, they all could have went to
the NBA and then Joe Kim Noah and they were like, Nah,
you know what, let's pull back up and win another championship.
But the fact that they did it with an average
margin of twenty three point three per game, it's special
phenomenal to see this run by you Cott and Hurley
is a maniac. But when you get to that stage
you have talk your is just not like act like
(06:24):
you've been here before. You'll know where that was going
to end, So talk loudly to say with your chest.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'm there for it, yeahs Eric, as loud as you can, because.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like you said, you never know when your last game
is going to be, whether it's coaching or played. And
so much of the conversation now around Hurley is well,
Kentucky try to lure him away from stores because John
Caliperry left to go to Arkansas after Eric Musselman went
from Arkansas to USC hold Domino effect their coaching care
(06:56):
sol And it was funny justin something that Dan Harley
said about the Kentucky He was like, yeah, I'm not
sure that would be a smart move. Like I can't
afford a divorce right now. I just started to make
all that. Uh you know it's newly whed isell a.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You gotta be smart, don't want to be the family
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh man, happy white, happy lights. You know the vibe.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I know the vibe. I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, but oh dad, curious eye, that's another conversation off topic.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Let me just shut up. I'm just gonna let you
handle that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
It's peace for both sides. I understand why you might
subscribe to it, but that's another topic. We're gonna have
to go not three on three, We're gonna have to
go one on one with that one.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, but yeah, what what do you think about all
the coaching moves that have been going on in the
men's game recently, where somebody like Calip Perry making that
transition from Kentucky to Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's a huge shift in the college basketball world.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
It is, and I have I have a close friend
who's a Kentucky fan, so I had to text him
immediately and I was surprised to hear him say that, Yo,
Kyle Parry has to go.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
We're done with him.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
It's like we're over with In fact, six past six years,
they haven't gone to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
It's a different standard.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And I've been trying to like tow this line of
going back and forth like should he be let go?
The question I always have is if you're gonna kick
someone out, then who's the next person? And they have
a bunch of people that seem capable of doing that job,
whether it be Nate Oates, you can go to the
part of the coach from Baylor, and then a long
list of other candidates that seen like coach Drew that
(08:37):
seemed that they could fit into that role. I do
think it is time for a new voice. When you
look at the standard that's been set there, you haven't
done something or you haven't done more than Tubby Smith
and others. You have to make sure that you win
numerous championships. And I will give him that the game
is different and he has had younger players. When you
have all these star recruits, you have to make sure
(08:57):
you put their best pieces around him. Having the best
recruiting class is about making sure that you can make
a run in the dance. That's Kentucky, it's the Yankees.
You have to make sure that you win newest championships.
The Yankees right now are on the drought. Kentucky's on
a drought. Aaron Boom may not, shouldn't probably have a job.
A lot of people say that, Well, calif par Is like.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Before you guys, kick me to the curves.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Ser I'm gonna try to be proactive and jump ship
to Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
People can call a soft move, but it is what
it is. That man trying to buy security. He didn't
get he didn't get fired.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
He just said, uh, I see the reading, I read
the room, like just get out of here, So I'm
not mad at it for Cali Park.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
For both sides, they need a fresh voice.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Si chess not checkers. Chess not checkers.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Shout out to Calipari, Okay, because we see it two
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Me and Terrika said he got to go anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And it's interesting because I was watching Get Up on
ESPN Get Up Mornings when the announcement came through and
Jay Williams said, I can't I'm actually shocked.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
But they also spoke to the fact summer to what
you said, justin the fans ran the man out of there,
like it speaks to the tradition. I'm like, hey, to
Justice's point, if you're going to possibly get rid of me,
let me get rid of myself and go somewhere and
get another bag and just build somewhere else. I think
this needed to happen. First of all, calib party needs
a he needs a fresh start somewhere else. Hopefully he
(10:16):
kind of re evaluates. Also to you all both of
your points, just what that recruiting model needs to look
like for him, because the reality is again just bringing
in NBA prospects. That's great, but these schools want to win,
and we forget wins are attached to boosters, It's attached
to money for the university. So just bringing in top recruits,
making it to the round of sixty four and then
(10:36):
all bye that that's not gonna cut it, whether you're
at Arkansas and Kentucky. So I wish him the best.
I'm not surprised by this. It'll be interesting again to see,
as you guys have pointed out, who steps in behind him.
But whoever does that needs to understand the importance of
building a team and getting back to that winning tradition
that Kentucky's been known for.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, because the fans they are starving and everything I
saw on social media when I was doing a segment
about caliber or leave it, it was like, yeah, good
Ritits like I'm glad coach Cow's gone.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Being done with his ass.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know, you can't get fired if you quit.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Let me tell you, I'm trying to think of something
to quit right now there.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It is just so I don't get fired.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Hey, speaking of fire, though, there was so much electricity
and fire with the women's game in that final four,
right Iowa Yukon Pate Becker's Kaitlin Clark, South Carolina undefeated
against Anti State, Asiah James and Hia Rivers at Justin.
You had the privilege of being in the building for
that Final Four on Friday, where there was so much
(11:41):
energy and hype around the games, and they really lived
up to it, specifically on Iowa. What was some of
your biggest what were some of your biggest takeaways? I
guess that really resonated with you about that game, those
games on Friday.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
It truly does won my heart to see where women's
college basketball is right now. I was a beat writer
from my student newspaper for the women's college basketball team.
The game has always been explosive and I'm glad to
hit this ascension mark. It's not that they have next,
that they have now. So it was really exciting to
be in the arena to see how many fans and
(12:15):
even when I was before I even talked about the
Final Four, I was at the ACC Tournament, and I
can't tell you how many young boys, forget young girls.
The fact the young boys were excited to be there,
so like oh, headed Hidago, Oh, Georgia Amore, Liz Kittley, like, yeah,
women's college basketball, This game is like really exciting. So
the fact that you have both young boys and girls
(12:37):
excited and tuning in for this game, it's exciting, but
Cleveland of five on a million. But what I will
say one point that I have constructive criticism is for
newcomers that are here right now, you got to make
sure you do your homework. You can't say like, oh, Okay,
it's the greatest ever and you don't know who Cheryl
(12:59):
Soops is, Cheryl Miller is, and who all these other
greats are mine more Brianna Stewart.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
So I'm super hyped for the direction of.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
The game right now, but I need people to know
that there are other people's shoulders that Caitlyn stands on.
But for Dawn Staley to come out like the pitome
of class Louis Waton Dawn right straight up drint. Yeah,
character Jackie calls fifty seven hundred life straight up drint
like Louis.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Baton, Philly's finest.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's been amazing to see the South Carolina run and
I know we're gonna get it to the media narrative
and I'm then bouncing all over place. But still, the
fact that they've arrived at this point the most watched
game since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It's been amazing to see Cleveland was a straight up vibe.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But we do have to speak now how we speak
about this woman on the broadcast as well as online.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That's another conversation in itself.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, we could talk about that for days. Sure,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But it's just it's the fact that these these games
really lived up to the height, right, I mean South
Carolina it was great. It was great in the first half, right,
NC State held with them a one point game, and
then that third quarter of y'all, it was over.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
You know, the flood rights, Yeah, it was done.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
And you know, it's also doulte to see think about
this narrative in past seasons, go back as far as
maybe five ten years ago. When have you ever had
ukun in the final four and then an afterthought? Think
about that they were an afterthought. The stories were HOWI
saudi NC State? If anything was maybe fourth place or
(14:51):
you could make an arguing for third place. Obviously, you
know the number one story was it Kaitlin Clarkson sement
her legacy goat status wherever you have on the top.
And then if she can break the all time scory
record in terms of NCAA tournament plots. And then you
have South Carolina for perfection and trying to get revenge
against Caitlin Page. Becker's coming back. This is what she
(15:13):
looks like, fully healthy NC State, Oh my gosh, how
did they do this and get out of this golflet
of a region, beating Tennessee, beating Stanford, beating Texas and
Madison Booker and then obviously they get there.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
So it's excited to see so many different.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Storylines rather than just leaning in on Yukon when they
had some of those crazy games and finishes, whether it
be against Mississippi State the buzzer beater or against Notre
Dame Agoba Wilde at the buzzer.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
So I think that is also another testament to the growth.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Now your collab we know is going to be back
probably again next year because of sound strong, number one,
the number one recruit in her class and her mom
Allison beats her formo baller, an All star in herself.
But still I think that was one of the biggest
signs is that when you have a like Ukutt and
Gino the most championships, I believe it's eleven because they
(16:05):
were always the blueprinted standard. It forced other teams to
step their game up. And for me personally, if we're
also speaking about Yukon's men, I never get bored with dominance.
Like Lebron may be at the end of hold eighteen
right now, but I appreciate greatness because you don't know
how well it's the last four So if Yukon the
(16:26):
fact that they were great for that long, they're now
care but it's a much crowded party and people have
been let into the room and they were just fighting
for that space. Oh that's even better for everyone because
you have so many different names. Next season, you got Juju,
you have Hannah, you have Malaysia, full Wiley. The list
goes on and on, like the game is a vibe.
I don't even care what the numbers say. But the
(16:47):
peak was at twenty four million child I was on
one watching it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I'm here for And you know the other thing about
you know, talking about Yukon being an afterthot.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Who would have thought that you would be a team
that everybody felt.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Got rawing by the officials. You're talking about five teen
years ago. Fifteen years ago, that end of the game.
Get to Lee Edwards and Peop were like.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
What That's what I was gonna say, Chris, I just
when you talk about takeaways, one of my biggest takeaways
is the refs do cheat when it comes to NCAA
Women's college basketball. Was I was incredibly astonished by some
of the calls or lack thereof, especially in the championship game.
So it started with you kon when the world, I believe,
(17:33):
got very clear that there is.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
An agenda here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm saying it out loud. You get mad at me
if you want to argue with your mama, not me.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So we saw that happen.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
We get to the championship game and it got so
bad in the first half. Don Staley, in my opinion,
was literally trying to hold back tears. She was that
riled up and frustrated. So it speaks also to what
Justin is talking about with the storylines, people are so invested,
and with storylines again comes to monetization. So if you
could put something all the way through, that means money
(18:01):
for other people. I'm not being a conspiracy theorists, but
I was very disturbed by some of the calls I
saw on the other end.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Of it. Shout out to Yukon you got seven players.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like another sender Rella story, you tack on anc State,
who nobody expected to be.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Anywhere near the final four.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I was just so happy to see how they fought
through so many other distractions that in my opinion, were
unwarranted and illegitimate that came down Staley's way, and they
were able to push through. I also mentioned earlier this
week maybe flying under the radar for them, under the
shadow of all the Caitlyn Clark media frenzy, was actually
a help to them, maybe less pressure. But to see
how the freshman class, Tessa Johnson's stepping up my laser
(18:41):
full whilely, especially coming in in the back end of
the first second quarter against I was specifically to see
how they stepped up, got the team back in the
game and then ultimately over the hump.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I was just so impressed.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
The freshman class for South Carolina is very scary, and
we talk about dynasty. Don Staley is doing something really
special over there, and it can't be said enough. How
you take a brand new fresh starting five and go
undefeated and win a championship. I am just so excited.
I also wore my special shirt for all the Iowa fanatics.
Bless those who curse you. You all tried to play
(19:15):
us for two weeks. We bless you here. I'm glad
to see you. It's interesting none of you, all of
you shut up. As soon as South Carolina one, no
one else appeared on my timeline, I mentions you were
nowhere to be found. I was looking for you and
you did not show up. So shout out to you.
Good luck for the rest of your life and the
rest of your time being basketball fans. And again we
(19:36):
bless you. But I'm just it was a great tournament.
I'm so excited for women's basketball. There's so much more
to come. Justin you mentioned Juju, the Paige is back,
Like there's so there's so much movement right now, there's
so much talent. And again, I think the same conversation
we're having about Kaitlyn Clark, we're gonna have it about Juju.
Now that Caitlyn's out of the way and moving on
to WNBA, it's somebody else's turn, and I think she's
(19:57):
next up.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh yeah, Juju paid like had Dogo. You got strong
Choyce Edward. South Carolina There're gonna be so many amazing players.
Talia Scott, you know, transfer portal from Arkansas. But I
just want to say this quickly before we move on,
before we go to a quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The fact that Dawn Staley.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Does not call a time out when Iowa blitzes them
in that first quarter, Kaitlyn has eighteen points. It just
shows you the faith that she has in the team.
And somebody had a tweet We're like, don'll be nothing.
She don't do nothing like, she don't call a time
about She just stare at her team and then they
know what to do after they've been looking crazy. And
that was probably one of the most hilarious tweet testing
(20:40):
all year lost. But yeah, it's the dawn of a
new dynasty one on nine and three in the last
three seasons, it's it's incredible. And to do it as
a black woman who's faced so much vitriol and hate,
and I know we're going to get into that a
little bit later. It speaks volumes about her was resilience
(21:01):
and her her players and the way she.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Recruits year in a year.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Incredible job by that coaching staff and those players place
five starters, don't miss a beat, and you win the
national championship.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Unbelievable, Chris, you know what.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You call that?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Right? What's that you call that?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
As Don said, uncommon favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Organs, Bringing the Organs right here, Bring the Organs in
right here. Come on, editors, believe look, don't the spear
it might fall. Y'all better be careful, quit playing over here.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
And.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Best believe we gonna get to this break after.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We're gonna talk about some of the distractions are some
of the way some of the way the media did
not give justice to this incredible team that South Carolina
was in this season.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Basketball fans, fanatics, everything in between. Welcome back at three
on three Pod, And I've had something on my spirit, Chris,
and justin that I just really want to get out there.
And before I vent, I want to allow you all
that opportunity to jump in. After South Carolina, I repeat,
South Carolina won the National championship. Good old CNN decided
(22:20):
they wanted to post the headline saying they won the championship,
but with a photo of Caitlyn Clark smiling surrounded by
her teammates. I thought that it was insane personally. But
before again, I go on my.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Little rant, I would like to hear from you. I'll
start with you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
What were your thoughts when you saw not only the headline,
which I'll get into as well it was a little
shaky on that as well, but also the photo, which.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Is completely contradictory to what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Are we surprised? We've been trying to tell y'all this
for so long. It has nothing to do with hating
Caitlyn Clark. She's an amazing player, phenomenal person from what
we've seen.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it's the way.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The media centers her as if she is the greatest
thing since like spread and that nobody else came before.
And I know we were talking about that earlier. It's
they were so hungry for Kaitlyn Clark in Iowa to
win that title, that they had that thing loaded in
the drafts.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I'm like, you just kid, you know, And I
guess you have like two different, two different drafts right
with South Carolina wins Iowans. But nah, bro, whoever was
on that editorial team social media team putting that up,
do better.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Fire them today.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Quit be a giant, Kyla PARI just go away and
go somewhere else and try again.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Not because it's truth of it. They went undefeated.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It wasn't like you know, they were a struggle in
South Carolina team that hit their stride late. They went undefeated, Yes,
with five new starters. And you black, You put a
photo of Caitlyn and her teams in victory looking like
they won exactly a phone misinformation, false news, false prophets,
(24:07):
right all that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh yeah, I don't know about you justin, but yeah,
I was ready to go off.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Then, man, you said it best. We shouldn't be surprised.
We know what the picture should have been, among many things.
The first was Dawn doing like this with all.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Of the confetti with her hands raised out. That was
a phenomenal photo.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But if you really wanted to get Caitlyn in there,
you should have put Raven Johnson because she locked her
up like straight up boo. Yeah, I apologize to you, Ragan.
We did not give you your flowers. At least I didn't.
She shout you out personally. That storyline in itself was phenomenal.
She spoke about the revenge tour, is overt's now time
for the repeat tour?
Speaker 6 (24:48):
She thought about stopping basketball after that, and I'm gonna
speak about.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
This whole narrative, but what Raven did was phenomenal to
personally go after Caitlyn, and when she was guarding her,
Kaitlyn did not We all know Caitlyn's I don't know
how it's going to translate to the WNBA pushing to
the right. She doesn't like to do the step back there.
She likes to go to the left, and Reagan was
all up on her. All right, So now about that picture,
(25:13):
I am upset, but I am not surprised. I'll start
off first with the upset. I'm upset because you had
an opportunity to strike a balance and speak about a
coach and the storyline being Dawn and having a completely
fresh starting cast and then getting redemption against a team
(25:33):
and that this is where the game is, while still
giving Caitlyn her flowers. Yes, I'm not surprised because even
during the broadcast, I thought Ruco did a great job,
but I felt a lot of times that they were
leaning on Caitlin, Iowa Iowa rather than speaking about the
imminent thing that we felt. At times, Caitlin and Iowa
gave them their shots back. But after that first quarter,
(25:54):
she had eighteen and then she finished I believe with
thirty only twelve points in our remaining three quarters, thirty
is still thirty. But there were defensive adjustments that were
made that thought they could speak about. They could have
tied in about Raven taking this, taking this personally literally
like to Jordan me after being waved off, and that's
(26:15):
how the whole Angel Rees things started because she went
into even though it's a South Carolina thing against LSU
and SEC bad blud. He felt that nah, I got
a stand up for one of my girls after Caitlin
just waved to Raw. That wasn't mentioned in the broadcast,
at least that I remember. There were so many ways
that you could thread the needle of a team looking
(26:36):
for perfection the first time since the Yukon women, as
well as a possible generation not possible, a generational superstar
canceling all the noise and allowing people.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
To understand her greatness.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So I think that once again with the women's game,
as more people and this is in a direct shot
once again at Rugo because he's been calling games the
phenomenal job on thest As you're getting more and more viewers,
you understand that you have to respect the history while
also being present in the now. I think one of
the best, the best indicators that the women's game has
(27:14):
arrived is that you have a bunch of old heads
talking trash about Kate because that's what they do in
the NBA all the time. Be like, oh I get.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Buckets during your time.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Okay, cool, it's like you got Gilbert the readers was
talking trash. I felt it was like Diana Tarassi off
the top rope, just saying like I would.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Cook you, I'll cook you.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I you like cakelek you ain't this, you ain't. So
I think that seeing that, I'm not surprised with Again,
I think this is the same outlet that confused Morgan
Freeman with Bill Russell, like people.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Confuse pictures all the time. This was intentional.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You think about the La Times and the piece that
there they wrote, Like forget about the columnist that wrote
that piece that was attacking LSU women. I think it's
more of the editorial team.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Yeah, I was read by more people, right, So you
have other individuals that need to understand that. Okay, there
are things that you can't say or write about dirtis
game or even how you project the game.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
But yeah, not surprised.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Once again people are still thinking like, oh Caitlin, like
poor girl, Like yo, she good parade celebration in the
gym for Io because they made it that they've done
that two years in a row.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And I'm all for you know, celebrating your compliments. But
trust me, he shout shout out to the great Vivian Stringer.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I was always correct, exactly correct.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Since we're talking guys as a black woman, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Hey, drop those bars. We've been waiting at your take.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I am exhausted.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
And it's interesting justin that you mentioned the La Times article.
We look at the what happened with Angel Reese and
all that ensued during her post press game conference. Then
we moved to everything that happened with Don Staley. Now
all of a sudden, she's getting backed against the wall
because she thanked God after winning a game. The list
(29:04):
goes on and on while watching her get asked very
tough questions that she has to be very politically correct
and answering or we're risking again in onslaught of media
attention that the team doesn't need so as excited as
I have been this entire tournament. I've also been extremely
triggered and frustrated so watching the media coverage, watching you know,
(29:24):
and I'm not gonna mention any broadcast channels because I'm
not trying to be petty or be offensive.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But I looked at.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
We're about a minute out from we knew South Carolina
was gonna win, and so I'm looking at the ticker
on the side, and it's this whole overlay.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Of all Caitlyn Clark's accomplishments.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
It wasn't even balanced out by the historic run that
we've all talked about that Don Staley has had, the
undefeated season.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
There was no balance.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And so, again to you all's point, I understand that
Caitlyn Clark is the face of women's collegiate basketball.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
At this time. That's fine. She's earned her place.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
She took a team that nobody expected, not even me,
to get as far as they did.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
She deserves to be there.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
The issue is not her, but the media being completely
biased on so many levels. Seeingn justin like you mentioned
with the La Times article, somebody's looked at that. And
so my other thing is, even if you have diversity
in these newsrooms, how.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Powerful is that diversity.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Are people still being silenced that represent diversity in these spaces?
Because if that's the case, it's not even it's not diversity.
How does this happen? How there's no way. I'm sorry,
as a black sports reporter, I'm looking at that in
a newsroom and saying, oh, yeah, other people had to
be flustered by that. But there's a level of silencing
(30:42):
that's even happening, and it's looking like DEI, but it's
really not. So not being surprised is also upsetting because
we should be. So then the question becomes sports is
allowing us and it's exposing our eyes and.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Ears to complete bias.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Now what do we do about? Shout out to ball
or Alert for putting the word out? I think they
were the first social media outlet to post that photo
a screenshot of that CNN article and say are y'all crazy?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And then everybody joined in.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
So if we look at the power that we have
and utilizing our voice vi a social media and how
that can help us balance the scales, I think we
need to continue to do that. But watching don Staley
cry like that after the end of the game, I've
never seen her be emotional in that way, win or lose. Ever,
so that said to me that she was shouldering a
lot more than she probably has ever as a coach
or a player, because those tears were real. That breakdown
(31:36):
was not just because she won and she was overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I believe it was also because, Man, this is heavy.
This was heavy. I'm tired, I'm glad we won.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You're watching, literally, you're watching an agenda try to play
out in front of your face, despite how great of
a coach you are, despite how great your.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Team is playing. We all saw it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That's not a conspiracy theory. You can go back and
look at replays and different plays and calls. Whatever we
all saw, we all knew what ultimately the media wanted
to do. So it's a shout out hopefully it changes.
But the fact that I'm saying hopefully and not with
certainty saying it will change, that's a problem. I don't
know the answers, guys. I don't know what diversity needs
to look like. I don't know what the checks and
(32:15):
balances need to look like. I can't tell you because
we've seen them happen and nothing's really changed. All I
can say is I hope and pray that it does,
because I would hate for storylines like the like South
Carolina and all that Dawn Study's been has accomplished to
be diminished in any way.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Because other people just refuse to acknowledge the magic that
is black women. That's my take. I'm sorry, I'm done.
I'm done ranting.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Nah, you don't have to, you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Really, it's really bothered me justin it's really been sitting
on my spirit for like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I had to let it out.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I want to piggyback on a keyword that you just
said and try to weave this all together personally. You
said the word magic, and looking at the women's tournament,
I always felt that basketball.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Thrived on race wars magic Johnson.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Versus Larry Bird the biggest watched or most televised college
basketball game ever. That was how the NBA was able
to get out of the crack. Then those two passed
the baton to Jordan in sports. Race wars do help out.
It was a simple demarcation line of demarcation where you
(33:28):
have one side rooting for Caitlin because of all the
obvious reasons. And that's cool, because you know what I'd
be rooting for black people just because I don't know
anything about them. One of my worst things I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go to the movies just because
I know black actors is in sports, Like it's open
the weekend.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I don't care. I love movies. I'm gonna pull up
in a work.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So I'm not surprised that the agenda by media was
leaning more into this, specifically with LSU versus IO one
team that's really gritty minus their coach, because you know
their coach is all over the place and I need
to throw out dates and ask you where were you?
Speaker 6 (34:06):
But you understand if you understand.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, correct, we got it sustained.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
And then Caitlin on the other side, so that drove
into having them have this ascension point and race wars
is always going to be something that basketball likes to
thrive on, specifically for the NBA where you have a
star player that is right, we have grown past this point.
But that's what I felt when I was watching this game,
as well as leading up back to the Iowa LSU game.
(34:35):
It's like hummm, Like of course the Yukon game that
Al did that, and it was Paige versus Caitlin. But
there's some other personal storylines, but those little sub I
didn't know if you call it sub because it's more
like blatant narratives where you have some people pushing it
out there. That plays a part of it, and you
know what, it's part of It's part for the course,
when it's Pat Mahoe versus Josh Allen, that's another narrative.
(34:58):
Oh yeah, And I'm just letting you know that played
into this narrative with the championship game, a white team Iowa,
but midas Stokey who balled out the past few games
against South Carolina and who even had Chloe.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
But still it's black versus white. That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
But you know it's been coming really strong, is Diana
Tarassi and her comments about a lot of things, right
particularly Kaylyn Clark, where she's talked about not just her
but all of the rookies. Reality is going to set
in and you're not going to be able to bust
people's asses like you're able to do in college. You're
dealing with grown women who've got families who have been
(35:36):
legends for quite some time. And then she's also said
you have to give yourself grace, you know, as a rookie,
because it is going to be a justin peer.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You don't have that much time off.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But Diana also spoke about the fascination that people have
with young women athletes and then what happens after, and
we're going to touch on that in our gum ball segment.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Right after this commercial break.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Ir re back, y'all here a three on three pot
all things basketball, talking, culture, analysis, you name it, some
ex's and o's as well, but with this jump ball
we're discussing Diana Tarassi. I made some comments recently about
the fascination that America has with the young female athlete,
whether it's the gymnast, the pitcher, the basketball player, the
(36:20):
soccer player, and then when they make it to the pros,
it's like, oh, be gone, like you're an old hag now,
And I just want to get your thoughts, should we.
I'll start with you about why do you think that
is where we see collectively these women as amazing and
(36:41):
so talented as young individuals, but then when they get
to the pros, which is the pinnacles DT alluded to,
it's oh lost interests, like your wish.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I think we have to connect it to culture.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I think culture firstly does that to women, and not
just men.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Women. We do it to ourselves.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Speaking us, I'll be thirty eight in June and I'm
somewhere checking my face. Oh my god, I'm having a
wrinkle here. It's something that goes on in your body
where you don't feel like you're at a certain level
because you're aging. I'm saying this as a woman, but
I think that society in itself is more obsessed with
young women than they are seasoned women. And so now
(37:23):
when you take that to sports, now we're looked at as, oh,
you're over the hill. As you mentioned, Chris, you can
only do oh so much. There's limitations that society automatically
puts on women who have aged. And then when we
see a woman like Diana Tarrossi is still here, guys,
and she's no spring chicken. When you think about athletics,
there's women her age that have stopped playing. But to
(37:46):
watch her be dominant, she's a prime example of we
have to start taking those limitations off of women. I
go to the men's side. I mentioned this before we
even started talking for the show Lebron James and rightfully
so is being praised for how incredible he's performing at
almost forty years old, deservedly so. But when we turn
(38:06):
the ties and we look at a Gabby Douglas who says, hey,
I'm going for the Olympic. I'm looking for another medal
this year, everybody's like, girl, what are you doing going
for another metal?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You're too old to do that gymnastics.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
But if her body's telling her she's not, we need
to be celebrating that in regardless. We need to celebrate
a woman that says, hey, I'm going to defy the odds.
I'm going to defiable culture says age can age can
do and not do, and I'm going to go after it.
So I think, for whatever reason, and again I don't
know outside of these type of conversations how we change
the or recalibrate just societal norms, but I think this
(38:39):
is a societal norm that to me goes back to
just ancient times. Young girls, young women, they're almost idolized
in a way. So I appreciate Diana Tarassi bringing it up.
And also you look at the women's games, look at
women's basketball, the WNBA. As we know, they don't make
to me enough money, but we understand why the league
is still fairly young all things considered, and it's a
(39:01):
certain amount of fanfare and sponsorship that you have to
rack in and to monetarily be able to support athletes
in ways like we're seeing the NBA do, which is
not happening. So then they're put in a place where
they have to go do other things. We're watching what
Diana Tarassi has been able to do with through Bird
With excuse me, their podcast, and we're watching other players
do other things, which I think is great. But again,
I just it's disappointing in a way to see how
(39:25):
society has said to women, you can only do this
at this point in time, and if you try to
go beyond.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Something's wrong with you. You're illogical.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And so I think Diana's pointing to just the illogical
nature of all of this. I'm glad she said something
about it. Now, Again, it's up to media to continue
to disseminate these conversations, get them going do the things
that we're doing right now on this show, keep talking
about it so that we can normalize women being in
their mid to late thirties or even their forties and
(39:55):
doing things that twenty year olds do because it's more
than possible.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It happens more often than we would say.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Or think, yeah, sure, you nailed it on the head.
I don't think we can speak first about the sport
if we don't go first to the root or even
the seed. And the seed, as you mentioned, is the culture.
Men have always been given a longer runway. When we're
even speaking about the numbers and how we're at this
inflection point for the women's game and how it's doing
better than the men's game, you still have to understand
(40:21):
and put that context. So when you see that Seeden
superd or even Diana Tarassi still cooking up in the WNBA,
people are like, damn they still play, rather than when
they watch Lebron they're like, oh wow, like no one's
ever been good. It's good for this long like nah,
Like there's a way to have a conversation about this,
and you have to be mindful about the words that
(40:43):
you use. I was just gonna throw out Gabby Douglas
or even Siman Biles taking a step back and be
like come on, girls, like I was you, but you're
not her, not one of one, right, Like you're literally
not less than one percent. She is be best at
what she does. Try a million things and you won't
be that great. And that's no shade. But I think,
(41:04):
once again, it starts with the conversations that we're having
together as people. Even going back to the Don Lemon
comments when he said pastor prime right, like women haven't
given an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Shari was mentioning the word.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
To age gracefully, to get an opportunity to just do
what they need to do. It doesn't have to be
a butt or a comma thrown at the subjects are
like nah, just a period, Like she's thirty eight and
she's still out here crushing it. So I think that
it starts with men personally, and then once they can
change the conversation and help change the narrative and be
advocates and allies, then we can do some work on
(41:39):
the women's college basketball or professional end. But that's gonna
take a lot of time, but it's.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
A part of the revolution.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I'm sending you a care package justin. That was incredible.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Hey, he wrapped it up beautifully, And yeah, we do
as men, Justin to your point, we have to unlearn
all this misogyny and sexism that has been rain into
the culture where yo, women could be third in her
thirties forties, and she could be a hell of a
lot better than she was in her twenties because of
the knowledge that she has right in house. She's taking
(42:11):
care of her body more or better than when she
was younger, when she didn't have all the knowledge. So
I'm glad that we're having this conversation, and I do
think that we have to be very intentional and aware
of how we speak about these women athletes to make
sure we're not doing them a disservice. But I'll tell
you what, we didn't do no disservice for this whole
(42:33):
show because Justin came on here filled in as a
guest host and body that thinks Sharie always coming correct
on Ice on Fire one hundred. But unfortunately, y'all we
have to wrap up the show. So Justin, we appreciate
you coming on. Sharie, you always holding it down. Make
sure to subscribe to the podcast wherever you get it. iHeartRadio,
(42:56):
you name it, and also do us as Solid and
Locke hook us up within Them five stars.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Okay, give us some reviews and picture it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Also follow us on I g at the three at
three on three pod and on Twitter or x at
d three on three pot.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Until next time, We'll see you later, y'all,
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to another edition of the Three Out Three Pod.
Championship Week has come and gone. I'm joined by the
one and Know on niche Arenicole. What's going on? How
you feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's up Chris and everybody out there? I feel good.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I have new headphones, Praise God. And I also have
my special shirt that I'll talk about in a moment.
For all those Iowa fanatics that were trolling us the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Amen, great, Oh yeah, he's a whole lot more than
you were.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Oh yes, you're.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Getting all these pearly whites today everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And then we have to bring in the special guest host,
Justin Walter's host of the a SEC Network, also reporter
doing great work over there at ESPN ACC Network, filling
in for Tarika Foster Brasby for this week.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Justin, what's good with you?
Speaker 6 (00:54):
Man? Feeling good? Fresh off of flight, just touched down.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
As Charlotte was also in the land recently for the
women's Final four.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
It was a vibe out there. Yeah, I'm hotered appreciate
the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hey, we are happy that you're on this call or
you're on this show for this week, and I gotta
tell y'all like the fact that the men's game was
at nine to twenty. It's not new, But I think
as we get older, we just get much more tired
so that we want the earlier star time and then
(01:26):
for it to be much of a dud of a game.
Like Sure, in the first half it was cool, Zach
Eating was doing his thing, but then Dan Hurley, a maniac,
figured it out. Was like, all right, Eat, you gonna
get your buckets. But Fletcher Lawyer, Brayden Smith last year,
you ain't y'all getting no threes. And what's really fascinating
(01:48):
about Yukon and Sharia, I want your perspective on this first, is.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Just how fundamentally sound they are.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They go back to back and this is a team
that lost a couple key pieces last year and then they.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Reload get some transfers.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Cam Spincher was a great addition, Stefan Castle the freshmen,
and they have the biggest point differential in tournament history. Yeah,
plus one that that's insane.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's sick, it's sick.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I want to address the comment first of all about
the time zone of dear Ncuba.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Stop doing that to us.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
If you're gonna have West Coast games, then they'll just
have to have a noon tip off. Nobody has time
for this. I don't know if you guys are familiar or.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
I do this. I'm a couch dozer.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I doze off on the couch every night, and sometimes
when you doze, you get so sleepy you just turn
away from the TV.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So I did a turn away, like during like the tail.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
End a halftime, and I woke up just in time
to catch like the mid third quarter and on. But
please don't do that to us anymore. I'll be thirty eight.
I don't have I just don't have capacity. But I
will tell you this, Chris, I was so impressed with
their poise, their guard play, how they moved the basketball.
And I said this on an earlier episode. They just
didn't look beatable.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
To me.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Purdue was throwing them their best shot. They're legitimate best shot,
and I just feel like their guards they take such
good care of the ball. They're so quick, they knock
down big shots. Anytime it looks like or I should
say it looked like Purdue was going to do some
type of come back run.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What have you?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You kind of said, Oh, no, let's turn up for
a second. So I'm just so impressed with and just
this entire season, how they've been able to be so stable,
so poised, and literally withstand whatever run, tempo or anything
else others teams try to throw at them. They're just
that talented and interestingly enough to your point, Chris, not
just individually but collectively. And that's something like from a
(03:48):
Kentucky we didn't get to see. We didn't see the
collectiveness of greatness. We only saw the individual greatness. And
so I think that speaks to Yukon and obviously coach
Early and all the great work.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That he's done.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And justin Dan Hurley was talking that shit after the Yeah,
like heyo.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
As he should, like as he should. He told us
in twenty twenty he said, you cat is coming. Before
we go into Yuka's dominance. I gotta agree with sure,
like I'm hooked like Friede, like straight up Throby in
the pan. If the biggest game of the year I
either Super Bowl starts before seven point thirty, there is
(04:26):
no excuse we can't find a happy medium. And here's
my reason why. You can start the game earlier, or
you should have started the game earlier is because of
the point differential. You pointed out, Chris, mind you, if
you don't have a rooting interest in this game, why
are you gonna be staying up past halftime? And the
halftime score was close. But once he gets out of PM,
I'm out of here.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I stayed up. I stayed up for this game because I.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Was like, yea, I'm about to be on the pod,
people gonna ask you about this. I might as well
know what happened. And I'm glad I did say it,
but I'm almost a part of me is like, you
could have really pushed us a little bit earlier, out
of earlier, like there's no reason for this nonsense, but
for you cod In general, though, it was exciting just
to see them win back to back championships, the fact
that they did it in this era, the transfer portal,
(05:10):
losing pieces from last season, and then last year they
won by a point differential or parted by an average
amount of points twenty. They said, oh, ye're not impressed.
This year we got win by twenty three point three,
So they just took it to another level. Hurley was
allowed to build this program. This was an overnight success.
He was hired in twenty eighteen and you see a
(05:31):
lot of these schools you're hoping for a quick fix,
but it's really tough to do it in this era.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
You have look at SC State squad.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Majority of their team was all rosters that are part
of all transfers and animated to the out of four.
It's really difficult to make it this far and then
to reload. But they're building a dynasty and I think
what Hurley's been doing is super impressive. Over there, you
caught right now has to be top of the college
basketball world. I'm not gonna say it's as cold what
Florida did when they did repeats, because with that albar
(06:02):
for Corey Bruce squad, they all could have went to
the NBA and then Joe Kim Noah and they were like, Nah,
you know what, let's pull back up and win another championship.
But the fact that they did it with an average
margin of twenty three point three per game, it's special
phenomenal to see this run by you Cott and Hurley
is a maniac. But when you get to that stage
you have talk your is just not like act like
(06:24):
you've been here before. You'll know where that was going
to end, So talk loudly to say with your chest.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'm there for it, yeahs Eric, as loud as you can, because.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like you said, you never know when your last game
is going to be, whether it's coaching or played. And
so much of the conversation now around Hurley is well,
Kentucky try to lure him away from stores because John
Caliperry left to go to Arkansas after Eric Musselman went
from Arkansas to USC hold Domino effect their coaching care
(06:56):
sol And it was funny justin something that Dan Harley
said about the Kentucky He was like, yeah, I'm not
sure that would be a smart move. Like I can't
afford a divorce right now. I just started to make
all that. Uh you know it's newly whed isell a.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You gotta be smart, don't want to be the family
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh man, happy white, happy lights. You know the vibe.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I know the vibe. I don't subscribe to that.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, but oh dad, curious eye, that's another conversation off topic.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Let me just shut up. I'm just gonna let you
handle that.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
It's peace for both sides. I understand why you might
subscribe to it, but that's another topic. We're gonna have
to go not three on three, We're gonna have to
go one on one with that one.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, but yeah, what what do you think about all
the coaching moves that have been going on in the
men's game recently, where somebody like Calip Perry making that
transition from Kentucky to Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's a huge shift in the college basketball world.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
It is, and I have I have a close friend
who's a Kentucky fan, so I had to text him
immediately and I was surprised to hear him say that, Yo,
Kyle Parry has to go.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
We're done with him.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
It's like we're over with In fact, six past six years,
they haven't gone to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
It's a different standard.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
And I've been trying to like tow this line of
going back and forth like should he be let go?
The question I always have is if you're gonna kick
someone out, then who's the next person? And they have
a bunch of people that seem capable of doing that job,
whether it be Nate Oates, you can go to the
part of the coach from Baylor, and then a long
list of other candidates that seen like coach Drew that
(08:37):
seemed that they could fit into that role. I do
think it is time for a new voice. When you
look at the standard that's been set there, you haven't
done something or you haven't done more than Tubby Smith
and others. You have to make sure that you win
numerous championships. And I will give him that the game
is different and he has had younger players. When you
have all these star recruits, you have to make sure
(08:57):
you put their best pieces around him. Having the best
recruiting class is about making sure that you can make
a run in the dance. That's Kentucky, it's the Yankees.
You have to make sure that you win newest championships.
The Yankees right now are on the drought. Kentucky's on
a drought. Aaron Boom may not, shouldn't probably have a job.
A lot of people say that, Well, calif par Is like.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Before you guys, kick me to the curves.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Ser I'm gonna try to be proactive and jump ship
to Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
People can call a soft move, but it is what
it is. That man trying to buy security. He didn't
get he didn't get fired.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
He just said, uh, I see the reading, I read
the room, like just get out of here, So I'm
not mad at it for Cali Park.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
For both sides, they need a fresh voice.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Si chess not checkers. Chess not checkers.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Shout out to Calipari, Okay, because we see it two
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Me and Terrika said he got to go anyway.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And it's interesting because I was watching Get Up on
ESPN Get Up Mornings when the announcement came through and
Jay Williams said, I can't I'm actually shocked.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
But they also spoke to the fact summer to what
you said, justin the fans ran the man out of there,
like it speaks to the tradition. I'm like, hey, to
Justice's point, if you're going to possibly get rid of me,
let me get rid of myself and go somewhere and
get another bag and just build somewhere else. I think
this needed to happen. First of all, calib party needs
a he needs a fresh start somewhere else. Hopefully he
(10:16):
kind of re evaluates. Also to you all both of
your points, just what that recruiting model needs to look
like for him, because the reality is again just bringing
in NBA prospects. That's great, but these schools want to win,
and we forget wins are attached to boosters, It's attached
to money for the university. So just bringing in top recruits,
making it to the round of sixty four and then
(10:36):
all bye that that's not gonna cut it, whether you're
at Arkansas and Kentucky. So I wish him the best.
I'm not surprised by this. It'll be interesting again to see,
as you guys have pointed out, who steps in behind him.
But whoever does that needs to understand the importance of
building a team and getting back to that winning tradition
that Kentucky's been known for.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, because the fans they are starving and everything I
saw on social media when I was doing a segment
about caliber or leave it, it was like, yeah, good
Ritits like I'm glad coach Cow's gone.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Being done with his ass.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know, you can't get fired if you quit.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Let me tell you, I'm trying to think of something
to quit right now there.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It is just so I don't get fired.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Hey, speaking of fire, though, there was so much electricity
and fire with the women's game in that final four,
right Iowa Yukon Pate Becker's Kaitlin Clark, South Carolina undefeated
against Anti State, Asiah James and Hia Rivers at Justin.
You had the privilege of being in the building for
that Final Four on Friday, where there was so much
(11:41):
energy and hype around the games, and they really lived
up to it, specifically on Iowa. What was some of
your biggest what were some of your biggest takeaways? I
guess that really resonated with you about that game, those
games on Friday.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
It truly does won my heart to see where women's
college basketball is right now. I was a beat writer
from my student newspaper for the women's college basketball team.
The game has always been explosive and I'm glad to
hit this ascension mark. It's not that they have next,
that they have now. So it was really exciting to
be in the arena to see how many fans and
(12:15):
even when I was before I even talked about the
Final Four, I was at the ACC Tournament, and I
can't tell you how many young boys, forget young girls.
The fact the young boys were excited to be there,
so like oh, headed Hidago, Oh, Georgia Amore, Liz Kittley, like, yeah,
women's college basketball, This game is like really exciting. So
the fact that you have both young boys and girls
(12:37):
excited and tuning in for this game, it's exciting, but
Cleveland of five on a million. But what I will
say one point that I have constructive criticism is for
newcomers that are here right now, you got to make
sure you do your homework. You can't say like, oh, Okay,
it's the greatest ever and you don't know who Cheryl
(12:59):
Soops is, Cheryl Miller is, and who all these other
greats are mine more Brianna Stewart.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
So I'm super hyped for the direction of.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
The game right now, but I need people to know
that there are other people's shoulders that Caitlyn stands on.
But for Dawn Staley to come out like the pitome
of class Louis Waton Dawn right straight up drint. Yeah,
character Jackie calls fifty seven hundred life straight up drint
like Louis.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Baton, Philly's finest.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's been amazing to see the South Carolina run and
I know we're gonna get it to the media narrative
and I'm then bouncing all over place. But still, the
fact that they've arrived at this point the most watched
game since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
It's been amazing to see Cleveland was a straight up vibe.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But we do have to speak now how we speak
about this woman on the broadcast as well as online.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
That's another conversation in itself.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, we could talk about that for days. Sure,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But it's just it's the fact that these these games
really lived up to the height, right, I mean South
Carolina it was great. It was great in the first half, right,
NC State held with them a one point game, and
then that third quarter of y'all, it was over.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
You know, the flood rights, Yeah, it was done.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
And you know, it's also doulte to see think about
this narrative in past seasons, go back as far as
maybe five ten years ago. When have you ever had
ukun in the final four and then an afterthought? Think
about that they were an afterthought. The stories were HOWI
saudi NC State? If anything was maybe fourth place or
(14:51):
you could make an arguing for third place. Obviously, you
know the number one story was it Kaitlin Clarkson sement
her legacy goat status wherever you have on the top.
And then if she can break the all time scory
record in terms of NCAA tournament plots. And then you
have South Carolina for perfection and trying to get revenge
against Caitlin Page. Becker's coming back. This is what she
(15:13):
looks like, fully healthy NC State, Oh my gosh, how
did they do this and get out of this golflet
of a region, beating Tennessee, beating Stanford, beating Texas and
Madison Booker and then obviously they get there.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
So it's excited to see so many different.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Storylines rather than just leaning in on Yukon when they
had some of those crazy games and finishes, whether it
be against Mississippi State the buzzer beater or against Notre
Dame Agoba Wilde at the buzzer.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
So I think that is also another testament to the growth.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Now your collab we know is going to be back
probably again next year because of sound strong, number one,
the number one recruit in her class and her mom
Allison beats her formo baller, an All star in herself.
But still I think that was one of the biggest
signs is that when you have a like Ukutt and
Gino the most championships, I believe it's eleven because they
(16:05):
were always the blueprinted standard. It forced other teams to
step their game up. And for me personally, if we're
also speaking about Yukon's men, I never get bored with dominance.
Like Lebron may be at the end of hold eighteen
right now, but I appreciate greatness because you don't know
how well it's the last four So if Yukon the
(16:26):
fact that they were great for that long, they're now
care but it's a much crowded party and people have
been let into the room and they were just fighting
for that space. Oh that's even better for everyone because
you have so many different names. Next season, you got Juju,
you have Hannah, you have Malaysia, full Wiley. The list
goes on and on, like the game is a vibe.
I don't even care what the numbers say. But the
(16:47):
peak was at twenty four million child I was on
one watching it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I'm here for And you know the other thing about
you know, talking about Yukon being an afterthot.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Who would have thought that you would be a team
that everybody felt.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Got rawing by the officials. You're talking about five teen
years ago. Fifteen years ago, that end of the game.
Get to Lee Edwards and Peop were like.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
What That's what I was gonna say, Chris, I just
when you talk about takeaways, one of my biggest takeaways
is the refs do cheat when it comes to NCAA
Women's college basketball. Was I was incredibly astonished by some
of the calls or lack thereof, especially in the championship game.
So it started with you kon when the world, I believe,
(17:33):
got very clear that there is.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
An agenda here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm saying it out loud. You get mad at me
if you want to argue with your mama, not me.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So we saw that happen.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
We get to the championship game and it got so
bad in the first half. Don Staley, in my opinion,
was literally trying to hold back tears. She was that
riled up and frustrated. So it speaks also to what
Justin is talking about with the storylines, people are so invested,
and with storylines again comes to monetization. So if you
could put something all the way through, that means money
(18:01):
for other people. I'm not being a conspiracy theorists, but
I was very disturbed by some of the calls I
saw on the other end.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Of it. Shout out to Yukon you got seven players.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like another sender Rella story, you tack on anc State,
who nobody expected to be.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Anywhere near the final four.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I was just so happy to see how they fought
through so many other distractions that in my opinion, were
unwarranted and illegitimate that came down Staley's way, and they
were able to push through. I also mentioned earlier this
week maybe flying under the radar for them, under the
shadow of all the Caitlyn Clark media frenzy, was actually
a help to them, maybe less pressure. But to see
how the freshman class, Tessa Johnson's stepping up my laser
(18:41):
full whilely, especially coming in in the back end of
the first second quarter against I was specifically to see
how they stepped up, got the team back in the
game and then ultimately over the hump.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I was just so impressed.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
The freshman class for South Carolina is very scary, and
we talk about dynasty. Don Staley is doing something really
special over there, and it can't be said enough. How
you take a brand new fresh starting five and go
undefeated and win a championship. I am just so excited.
I also wore my special shirt for all the Iowa fanatics.
Bless those who curse you. You all tried to play
(19:15):
us for two weeks. We bless you here. I'm glad
to see you. It's interesting none of you, all of
you shut up. As soon as South Carolina one, no
one else appeared on my timeline, I mentions you were
nowhere to be found. I was looking for you and
you did not show up. So shout out to you.
Good luck for the rest of your life and the
rest of your time being basketball fans. And again we
(19:36):
bless you. But I'm just it was a great tournament.
I'm so excited for women's basketball. There's so much more
to come. Justin you mentioned Juju, the Paige is back,
Like there's so there's so much movement right now, there's
so much talent. And again, I think the same conversation
we're having about Kaitlyn Clark, we're gonna have it about Juju.
Now that Caitlyn's out of the way and moving on
to WNBA, it's somebody else's turn, and I think she's
(19:57):
next up.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh yeah, Juju paid like had Dogo. You got strong
Choyce Edward. South Carolina There're gonna be so many amazing players.
Talia Scott, you know, transfer portal from Arkansas. But I
just want to say this quickly before we move on,
before we go to a quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The fact that Dawn Staley.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Does not call a time out when Iowa blitzes them
in that first quarter, Kaitlyn has eighteen points. It just
shows you the faith that she has in the team.
And somebody had a tweet We're like, don'll be nothing.
She don't do nothing like, she don't call a time
about She just stare at her team and then they
know what to do after they've been looking crazy. And
that was probably one of the most hilarious tweet testing
(20:40):
all year lost. But yeah, it's the dawn of a
new dynasty one on nine and three in the last
three seasons, it's it's incredible. And to do it as
a black woman who's faced so much vitriol and hate,
and I know we're going to get into that a
little bit later. It speaks volumes about her was resilience
(21:01):
and her her players and the way she.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Recruits year in a year.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Incredible job by that coaching staff and those players place
five starters, don't miss a beat, and you win the
national championship.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Unbelievable, Chris, you know what.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You call that?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Right? What's that you call that?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
As Don said, uncommon favorite.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Organs, Bringing the Organs right here, Bring the Organs in
right here. Come on, editors, believe look, don't the spear
it might fall. Y'all better be careful, quit playing over here.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
And.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Best believe we gonna get to this break after.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We're gonna talk about some of the distractions are some
of the way some of the way the media did
not give justice to this incredible team that South Carolina
was in this season.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Basketball fans, fanatics, everything in between. Welcome back at three
on three Pod, And I've had something on my spirit, Chris,
and justin that I just really want to get out there.
And before I vent, I want to allow you all
that opportunity to jump in. After South Carolina, I repeat,
South Carolina won the National championship. Good old CNN decided
(22:20):
they wanted to post the headline saying they won the championship,
but with a photo of Caitlyn Clark smiling surrounded by
her teammates. I thought that it was insane personally. But
before again, I go on my.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Little rant, I would like to hear from you. I'll
start with you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
What were your thoughts when you saw not only the headline,
which I'll get into as well it was a little
shaky on that as well, but also the photo, which.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Is completely contradictory to what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Are we surprised? We've been trying to tell y'all this
for so long. It has nothing to do with hating
Caitlyn Clark. She's an amazing player, phenomenal person from what
we've seen.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it's the way.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The media centers her as if she is the greatest
thing since like spread and that nobody else came before.
And I know we were talking about that earlier. It's
they were so hungry for Kaitlyn Clark in Iowa to
win that title, that they had that thing loaded in
the drafts.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
You can't convince me otherwise.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I'm like, you just kid, you know, And I
guess you have like two different, two different drafts right
with South Carolina wins Iowans. But nah, bro, whoever was
on that editorial team social media team putting that up,
do better.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Fire them today.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Quit be a giant, Kyla PARI just go away and
go somewhere else and try again.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Not because it's truth of it. They went undefeated.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It wasn't like you know, they were a struggle in
South Carolina team that hit their stride late. They went undefeated, Yes,
with five new starters. And you black, You put a
photo of Caitlyn and her teams in victory looking like
they won exactly a phone misinformation, false news, false prophets,
(24:07):
right all that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh yeah, I don't know about you justin, but yeah,
I was ready to go off.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Then, man, you said it best. We shouldn't be surprised.
We know what the picture should have been, among many things.
The first was Dawn doing like this with all.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Of the confetti with her hands raised out. That was
a phenomenal photo.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But if you really wanted to get Caitlyn in there,
you should have put Raven Johnson because she locked her
up like straight up boo. Yeah, I apologize to you, Ragan.
We did not give you your flowers. At least I didn't.
She shout you out personally. That storyline in itself was phenomenal.
She spoke about the revenge tour, is overt's now time
for the repeat tour?
Speaker 6 (24:48):
She thought about stopping basketball after that, and I'm gonna
speak about.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
This whole narrative, but what Raven did was phenomenal to
personally go after Caitlyn, and when she was guarding her,
Kaitlyn did not We all know Caitlyn's I don't know
how it's going to translate to the WNBA pushing to
the right. She doesn't like to do the step back there.
She likes to go to the left, and Reagan was
all up on her. All right, So now about that picture,
(25:13):
I am upset, but I am not surprised. I'll start
off first with the upset. I'm upset because you had
an opportunity to strike a balance and speak about a
coach and the storyline being Dawn and having a completely
fresh starting cast and then getting redemption against a team
(25:33):
and that this is where the game is, while still
giving Caitlyn her flowers. Yes, I'm not surprised because even
during the broadcast, I thought Ruco did a great job,
but I felt a lot of times that they were
leaning on Caitlin, Iowa Iowa rather than speaking about the
imminent thing that we felt. At times, Caitlin and Iowa
gave them their shots back. But after that first quarter,
(25:54):
she had eighteen and then she finished I believe with
thirty only twelve points in our remaining three quarters, thirty
is still thirty. But there were defensive adjustments that were
made that thought they could speak about. They could have
tied in about Raven taking this, taking this personally literally
like to Jordan me after being waved off, and that's
(26:15):
how the whole Angel Rees things started because she went
into even though it's a South Carolina thing against LSU
and SEC bad blud. He felt that nah, I got
a stand up for one of my girls after Caitlin
just waved to Raw. That wasn't mentioned in the broadcast,
at least that I remember. There were so many ways
that you could thread the needle of a team looking
(26:36):
for perfection the first time since the Yukon women, as
well as a possible generation not possible, a generational superstar
canceling all the noise and allowing people.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
To understand her greatness.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
So I think that once again with the women's game,
as more people and this is in a direct shot
once again at Rugo because he's been calling games the
phenomenal job on thest As you're getting more and more viewers,
you understand that you have to respect the history while
also being present in the now. I think one of
the best, the best indicators that the women's game has
(27:14):
arrived is that you have a bunch of old heads
talking trash about Kate because that's what they do in
the NBA all the time. Be like, oh I get.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Buckets during your time.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Okay, cool, it's like you got Gilbert the readers was
talking trash. I felt it was like Diana Tarassi off
the top rope, just saying like I would.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Cook you, I'll cook you.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I you like cakelek you ain't this, you ain't. So
I think that seeing that, I'm not surprised with Again,
I think this is the same outlet that confused Morgan
Freeman with Bill Russell, like people.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Confuse pictures all the time. This was intentional.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You think about the La Times and the piece that
there they wrote, Like forget about the columnist that wrote
that piece that was attacking LSU women. I think it's
more of the editorial team.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Yeah, I was read by more people, right, So you
have other individuals that need to understand that. Okay, there
are things that you can't say or write about dirtis
game or even how you project the game.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
But yeah, not surprised.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Once again people are still thinking like, oh Caitlin, like
poor girl, Like yo, she good parade celebration in the
gym for Io because they made it that they've done
that two years in a row.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And I'm all for you know, celebrating your compliments. But
trust me, he shout shout out to the great Vivian Stringer.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I was always correct, exactly correct.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Since we're talking guys as a black woman, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Hey, drop those bars. We've been waiting at your take.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I am exhausted.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
And it's interesting justin that you mentioned the La Times article.
We look at the what happened with Angel Reese and
all that ensued during her post press game conference. Then
we moved to everything that happened with Don Staley. Now
all of a sudden, she's getting backed against the wall
because she thanked God after winning a game. The list
(29:04):
goes on and on while watching her get asked very
tough questions that she has to be very politically correct
and answering or we're risking again in onslaught of media
attention that the team doesn't need so as excited as
I have been this entire tournament. I've also been extremely
triggered and frustrated so watching the media coverage, watching you know,
(29:24):
and I'm not gonna mention any broadcast channels because I'm
not trying to be petty or be offensive.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
But I looked at.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
We're about a minute out from we knew South Carolina
was gonna win, and so I'm looking at the ticker
on the side, and it's this whole overlay.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Of all Caitlyn Clark's accomplishments.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
It wasn't even balanced out by the historic run that
we've all talked about that Don Staley has had, the
undefeated season.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
There was no balance.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And so, again to you all's point, I understand that
Caitlyn Clark is the face of women's collegiate basketball.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
At this time. That's fine. She's earned her place.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
She took a team that nobody expected, not even me,
to get as far as they did.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
She deserves to be there.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
The issue is not her, but the media being completely
biased on so many levels. Seeingn justin like you mentioned
with the La Times article, somebody's looked at that. And
so my other thing is, even if you have diversity
in these newsrooms, how.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Powerful is that diversity.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Are people still being silenced that represent diversity in these spaces?
Because if that's the case, it's not even it's not diversity.
How does this happen? How there's no way. I'm sorry,
as a black sports reporter, I'm looking at that in
a newsroom and saying, oh, yeah, other people had to
be flustered by that. But there's a level of silencing
(30:42):
that's even happening, and it's looking like DEI, but it's
really not. So not being surprised is also upsetting because
we should be. So then the question becomes sports is
allowing us and it's exposing our eyes and.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Ears to complete bias.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Now what do we do about? Shout out to ball
or Alert for putting the word out? I think they
were the first social media outlet to post that photo
a screenshot of that CNN article and say are y'all crazy?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And then everybody joined in.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
So if we look at the power that we have
and utilizing our voice vi a social media and how
that can help us balance the scales, I think we
need to continue to do that. But watching don Staley
cry like that after the end of the game, I've
never seen her be emotional in that way, win or lose. Ever,
so that said to me that she was shouldering a
lot more than she probably has ever as a coach
or a player, because those tears were real. That breakdown
(31:36):
was not just because she won and she was overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I believe it was also because, Man, this is heavy.
This was heavy. I'm tired, I'm glad we won.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You're watching, literally, you're watching an agenda try to play
out in front of your face, despite how great of
a coach you are, despite how great your.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Team is playing. We all saw it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
That's not a conspiracy theory. You can go back and
look at replays and different plays and calls. Whatever we
all saw, we all knew what ultimately the media wanted
to do. So it's a shout out hopefully it changes.
But the fact that I'm saying hopefully and not with
certainty saying it will change, that's a problem. I don't
know the answers, guys. I don't know what diversity needs
to look like. I don't know what the checks and
(32:15):
balances need to look like. I can't tell you because
we've seen them happen and nothing's really changed. All I
can say is I hope and pray that it does,
because I would hate for storylines like the like South
Carolina and all that Dawn Study's been has accomplished to
be diminished in any way.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Because other people just refuse to acknowledge the magic that
is black women. That's my take. I'm sorry, I'm done.
I'm done ranting.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Nah, you don't have to, you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Really, it's really bothered me justin it's really been sitting
on my spirit for like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I had to let it out.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I want to piggyback on a keyword that you just
said and try to weave this all together personally. You
said the word magic, and looking at the women's tournament,
I always felt that basketball.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Thrived on race wars magic Johnson.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Versus Larry Bird the biggest watched or most televised college
basketball game ever. That was how the NBA was able
to get out of the crack. Then those two passed
the baton to Jordan in sports. Race wars do help out.
It was a simple demarcation line of demarcation where you
(33:28):
have one side rooting for Caitlin because of all the
obvious reasons. And that's cool, because you know what I'd
be rooting for black people just because I don't know
anything about them. One of my worst things I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna go to the movies just because
I know black actors is in sports, Like it's open
the weekend.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
I don't care. I love movies. I'm gonna pull up
in a work.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So I'm not surprised that the agenda by media was
leaning more into this, specifically with LSU versus IO one
team that's really gritty minus their coach, because you know
their coach is all over the place and I need
to throw out dates and ask you where were you?
Speaker 6 (34:06):
But you understand if you understand.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, correct, we got it sustained.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
And then Caitlin on the other side, so that drove
into having them have this ascension point and race wars
is always going to be something that basketball likes to
thrive on, specifically for the NBA where you have a
star player that is right, we have grown past this point.
But that's what I felt when I was watching this game,
as well as leading up back to the Iowa LSU game.
(34:35):
It's like hummm, Like of course the Yukon game that
Al did that, and it was Paige versus Caitlin. But
there's some other personal storylines, but those little sub I
didn't know if you call it sub because it's more
like blatant narratives where you have some people pushing it
out there. That plays a part of it, and you
know what, it's part of It's part for the course,
when it's Pat Mahoe versus Josh Allen, that's another narrative.
(34:58):
Oh yeah, And I'm just letting you know that played
into this narrative with the championship game, a white team Iowa,
but midas Stokey who balled out the past few games
against South Carolina and who even had Chloe.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
But still it's black versus white. That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
But you know it's been coming really strong, is Diana
Tarassi and her comments about a lot of things, right
particularly Kaylyn Clark, where she's talked about not just her
but all of the rookies. Reality is going to set
in and you're not going to be able to bust
people's asses like you're able to do in college. You're
dealing with grown women who've got families who have been
(35:36):
legends for quite some time. And then she's also said
you have to give yourself grace, you know, as a rookie,
because it is going to be a justin peer.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You don't have that much time off.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But Diana also spoke about the fascination that people have
with young women athletes and then what happens after, and
we're going to touch on that in our gum ball segment.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Right after this commercial break.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Ir re back, y'all here a three on three pot
all things basketball, talking, culture, analysis, you name it, some
ex's and o's as well, but with this jump ball
we're discussing Diana Tarassi. I made some comments recently about
the fascination that America has with the young female athlete,
whether it's the gymnast, the pitcher, the basketball player, the
(36:20):
soccer player, and then when they make it to the pros,
it's like, oh, be gone, like you're an old hag now,
And I just want to get your thoughts, should we.
I'll start with you about why do you think that
is where we see collectively these women as amazing and
(36:41):
so talented as young individuals, but then when they get
to the pros, which is the pinnacles DT alluded to,
it's oh lost interests, like your wish.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I think we have to connect it to culture.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I think culture firstly does that to women, and not
just men.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Women. We do it to ourselves.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Speaking us, I'll be thirty eight in June and I'm
somewhere checking my face. Oh my god, I'm having a
wrinkle here. It's something that goes on in your body
where you don't feel like you're at a certain level
because you're aging. I'm saying this as a woman, but
I think that society in itself is more obsessed with
young women than they are seasoned women. And so now
(37:23):
when you take that to sports, now we're looked at as, oh,
you're over the hill. As you mentioned, Chris, you can
only do oh so much. There's limitations that society automatically
puts on women who have aged. And then when we
see a woman like Diana Tarrossi is still here, guys,
and she's no spring chicken. When you think about athletics,
there's women her age that have stopped playing. But to
(37:46):
watch her be dominant, she's a prime example of we
have to start taking those limitations off of women. I
go to the men's side. I mentioned this before we
even started talking for the show Lebron James and rightfully
so is being praised for how incredible he's performing at
almost forty years old, deservedly so. But when we turn
(38:06):
the ties and we look at a Gabby Douglas who says, hey,
I'm going for the Olympic. I'm looking for another medal
this year, everybody's like, girl, what are you doing going
for another metal?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You're too old to do that gymnastics.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
But if her body's telling her she's not, we need
to be celebrating that in regardless. We need to celebrate
a woman that says, hey, I'm going to defy the odds.
I'm going to defiable culture says age can age can
do and not do, and I'm going to go after it.
So I think, for whatever reason, and again I don't
know outside of these type of conversations how we change
the or recalibrate just societal norms, but I think this
(38:39):
is a societal norm that to me goes back to
just ancient times. Young girls, young women, they're almost idolized
in a way. So I appreciate Diana Tarassi bringing it up.
And also you look at the women's games, look at
women's basketball, the WNBA. As we know, they don't make
to me enough money, but we understand why the league
is still fairly young all things considered, and it's a
(39:01):
certain amount of fanfare and sponsorship that you have to
rack in and to monetarily be able to support athletes
in ways like we're seeing the NBA do, which is
not happening. So then they're put in a place where
they have to go do other things. We're watching what
Diana Tarassi has been able to do with through Bird
With excuse me, their podcast, and we're watching other players
do other things, which I think is great. But again,
I just it's disappointing in a way to see how
(39:25):
society has said to women, you can only do this
at this point in time, and if you try to
go beyond.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Something's wrong with you. You're illogical.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And so I think Diana's pointing to just the illogical
nature of all of this. I'm glad she said something
about it. Now, Again, it's up to media to continue
to disseminate these conversations, get them going do the things
that we're doing right now on this show, keep talking
about it so that we can normalize women being in
their mid to late thirties or even their forties and
(39:55):
doing things that twenty year olds do because it's more
than possible.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It happens more often than we would say.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
Or think, yeah, sure, you nailed it on the head.
I don't think we can speak first about the sport
if we don't go first to the root or even
the seed. And the seed, as you mentioned, is the culture.
Men have always been given a longer runway. When we're
even speaking about the numbers and how we're at this
inflection point for the women's game and how it's doing
better than the men's game, you still have to understand
(40:21):
and put that context. So when you see that Seeden
superd or even Diana Tarassi still cooking up in the WNBA,
people are like, damn they still play, rather than when
they watch Lebron they're like, oh wow, like no one's
ever been good. It's good for this long like nah,
Like there's a way to have a conversation about this,
and you have to be mindful about the words that
(40:43):
you use. I was just gonna throw out Gabby Douglas
or even Siman Biles taking a step back and be
like come on, girls, like I was you, but you're
not her, not one of one, right, Like you're literally
not less than one percent. She is be best at
what she does. Try a million things and you won't
be that great. And that's no shade. But I think,
(41:04):
once again, it starts with the conversations that we're having
together as people. Even going back to the Don Lemon
comments when he said pastor prime right, like women haven't
given an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Shari was mentioning the word.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
To age gracefully, to get an opportunity to just do
what they need to do. It doesn't have to be
a butt or a comma thrown at the subjects are
like nah, just a period, Like she's thirty eight and
she's still out here crushing it. So I think that
it starts with men personally, and then once they can
change the conversation and help change the narrative and be
advocates and allies, then we can do some work on
(41:39):
the women's college basketball or professional end. But that's gonna
take a lot of time, but it's.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
A part of the revolution.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I'm sending you a care package justin. That was incredible.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Hey, he wrapped it up beautifully, And yeah, we do
as men, Justin to your point, we have to unlearn
all this misogyny and sexism that has been rain into
the culture where yo, women could be third in her
thirties forties, and she could be a hell of a
lot better than she was in her twenties because of
the knowledge that she has right in house. She's taking
(42:11):
care of her body more or better than when she
was younger, when she didn't have all the knowledge. So
I'm glad that we're having this conversation, and I do
think that we have to be very intentional and aware
of how we speak about these women athletes to make
sure we're not doing them a disservice. But I'll tell
you what, we didn't do no disservice for this whole
(42:33):
show because Justin came on here filled in as a
guest host and body that thinks Sharie always coming correct
on Ice on Fire one hundred. But unfortunately, y'all we
have to wrap up the show. So Justin, we appreciate
you coming on. Sharie, you always holding it down. Make
sure to subscribe to the podcast wherever you get it. iHeartRadio,
(42:56):
you name it, and also do us as Solid and
Locke hook us up within Them five stars.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Okay, give us some reviews and picture it.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Also follow us on I g at the three at
three on three pod and on Twitter or x at
d three on three pot.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Until next time, We'll see you later, y'all,
Hosts And Creators
Shari Nycole
Terrika Foster-Brasby
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.