November 15, 2023 • 52 mins
Martin Soaries from Basketball Society joins the pod as our special guest host this week. The Philadelphia 76ers are validating the theory of "addition by subtraction" as they boast an undefeated record since the James Harden trade. Tyrese Maxey has looked like one of the best lead guards in the association. Will he be able to help Joel Embiid and the Sixers reach the Eastern Conference Finals??
Anthony Edwards has the Minnesota Timberwolves looking like a potential contender in the Western Conference. Chris shakes the table with his comparison of the 3rd year guard to Michael Jordan. Yes. That Michael Jordan.
This is arguably the most anticipated season in the history of Women’s College Basketball. The squad weighs in on this year's fabulous freshman class and the overall star power across the nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, what up, Doe.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to the three on three podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But we're talking all things hoops.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Man three topics with your three favorite hoop heads. I'm
your girl, Tarrika Foster bra Brasby. I'm back from Paris,
back from Perry.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I don't know how to act about myself.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm still bougie, still smelling that Paris air, which ain't
all that great. But at the end of the day,
your girl is back. I know y'all missed my shenanigans
last week, but here we are. I'm alongside my guy
hosting anchor extraordinariy Chris Williamson, although he's feeling a little
under the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Chris, how you doing over there?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm doing all right, Terrika. You know you can hear
it in my voice. I know you set off camera
before the show. I sounded like crap, But I'm here
in the flesh and I'm trying to battle through it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So let's cook.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Pulling, you know, pulling, pulling a Jordan twenty three on this.
So whatever you're coming in, it's your food game right here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I feel, yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
But we got your back, though, because this week we
have a special guest co host joining us, holding it Down.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
D D's also under the weather down Under and.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So instead we get to kick it with the creator
of Basketball Society, the host of Basketball Society podcast, and
co host of the Protect Our Queen's Podcast. Please welcome
Martin Swartz to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hi Martin, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It's good to be here with y'all family, two people
that I love and respect, so it is really good
to be here.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Looking forward to chopping it up with y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm so pretty excited to have you on the show.
I didn't stalk your ig enough, so it's great that
you know you're finally here with us. Just kind of
let us know what you're been up to, what you've
been doing.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Well, I've been stalking y'all first and foremost, so like
I said, I appreciate being here because I'm a big fan,
so I'm gonna get my fan energy out the lay first.
But yeah, just been tapped in with the college season.
NBA is here, and you know, some of my kids
that I've been training through high school, they starting their
starting their college seasons. They're freshmen, so I'm trying to
keep up with them. So you know, we're getting into
(02:06):
winter and basketball season, so this is the time when
things get get pretty busy for me. But it's the
best game in the world, so I love it.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Every year. It's always great.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And yeah, we're definitely gonna later on in the show
chopping up about some of the freshmens that you're working with,
especially in the college game.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's crazy right now, and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You got we spoke about one earlier off camera who
I think is phenomenal, So I can't wait to talk
about that. But you know, let's get into the show,
and I feel like there's no better way for us
to start than with the team that's already sitting on
top of the NBA. They're sitting on top of the
power rankings this week, and that's the Philadelphia seventy six Ers,
eight game winning streak six and.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Zero at home, eight to one.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Overall, the process is processing, okay, I mean the Sixers are.
They're rolling right now, and honestly, if had not been
for a few miscues here and there, I think this
Philly team really could have won their and you're against
the Bucks, so we could be looking at it undefeated,
right now, but that's neither here nor there. You know
who is undefeated though the Internet, the Internet is always undefeated.
(03:12):
It ain't never lost in on our Gore's great Internet.
We got this video player over and.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Over of your boy James.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Harten out in LA at his conference, at this introductory conference,
talking about he is not a system player, he is
the system. Well, the system has broke as hell because
the system ain't been working in LA since he got there.
Clippers are smooth zero and four since his arrival. So Chris,
(03:41):
tell me why is the system failing?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know, it's funny that the sirens were going off
in the background. I don't know if that is poetic
or irony, but the fact that they were going off
as you're mentioning James Harden and how the system has
failed for four games since he's gotten back, or since
he's been traded to the Clippers, it's hilarious to me.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The reason why it's not working because one, they don't
I don't think they really have a full understanding of
how they should work together. I think maybe you bring
James Harden off the bench, you give Terrence Man a
look at the starting position, so James can lead that
second unit because remember Tyler said he want a Russ
to be on the ball, and James Harden could work
off the ball. But with hard and he talking about
(04:25):
he's a system, right, he can you know, operate and
facilitate and score. You want him to be in a
better shot or better position. And if you're going to
have him as a starter with Russ, with PG with Kawhi,
I don't think that's the right recipe then Also they're
just not locked in defensively, Like this team looks dysfunctional,
(04:47):
you know, out of sorts, and maybe that's expected, but
their age, they're getting up there in age, So those
are parts. Those are part of the reasons why they
have been struggling. And I also think, you know, James
just doesn't the self awareness we talked about it, Torika,
self awareness is not there. So I don't know, But Martin,
(05:09):
do you do how do you feel about the way
the Clippers have come out the gate with Harden coming
on to the team as of late.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Honestly, it looks how I'm pretty sure we thought it
was gonna Look, I don't think anyone expected Harden to
come in and then they just start wilding with their
little awkward big four that they got going on. Like
I was, I was legitimately shocked when I heard that
the Clippers were even interested in Harden. Like there's so
many factors that I'm like, man Ty Lou must feel
(05:37):
like he's a miracle worker, because it's like, why why
are y'all interested in James Harden? The Clippers had a
good thing going You bringing a guy like Harden, you're
you're changing everything, and you know you've got to work
around him when he's calling himself a system. I will
say this, and I'm not gonna fully defend James Harden here,
just an observation from a couple of things I've seen.
(05:58):
I don't think hardened well. I know, for fact, Harden
is not used to playing with guys who are legitimately
better than him and for him to play off the ball.
He's not used to being a catch and shoot guy.
Now he's a much better shooter than Westbrook, but he's
used to having the ball in his hands and holding
it for ten to fifteen seconds and he makes the decision.
So I've seen him a couple of times pump fake,
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go for a contested pull up. He's not even used
to playing off the ball with other guys who are
better than him. So I think that's a huge adjustment
for him, and they have adjustments to make as a roster.
I think the roster is so challenging, and I'm just
I'm shocked that they even wanted him in the first place.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know what, I can't stress enough how I think
both of you all just nailed the one thing that
this all boils down to, and that's just self awareness, right,
Like I believe there are three year olds that have
more self awareness than James Harten. And the thing is,
he's not the only one, right, There are plenty of
people who just haven't accepted the realization that they just
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aren't that guy anymore. And so, Martin, you've covered this
game a while, You've worked with a lot of people,
a lot of players on different levels. I need should
have just throw throw somebody under the bus right now
who swore it They were him, and everybody else was.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Like, nah, bro, you not that guy.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Okay, I got one for you. The best scorer I
ever played with, my college teammate, Jason Brill, is still
one of my closest friends to this day. He lives
in Florida. His kids are my niece and nephew. Jason
was a phenomenal Scori is from Patterson, New Jersey. Never
saw a shot he didn't like handle. Pat big guard,
could post, you could hit the three, had everything. But
(07:40):
he was selfish. He was a selfish scorer. So this
story is about a scorer who was selfish, who heard
the feedback from his coaches and teammates to say, Jay,
play unselfish and you will score more. So this is
about a play. This is about impacting winning, which I've
talked about a lot with people in James Harden. Certain
(08:01):
players may not be Hall of Fame caliber or or
have gone on scoring runs like Harden has, but they
when they play basketball, they just go out there and
they do things that impact winning. There are things that
you can do to impact winning a basketball game. Besides scoring.
You can run the floor, you can play defense, you
can communicate, you can do all kinds of things. The
impact winning. The main thing Harden does the impact winning
(08:25):
is go out there and.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Dribble the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Come give me, come get me, come give me a ball, screen,
tack and let me get to my step back. All
the other many things that you can do to impact winning.
He doesn't do so, my guy Jay Riels, just I
always tell my players this too. Now I saw with
my own two Ey's a selfish scorer score more points
by taking less shots because he bought into being unselfish,
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efficient and focusing on playing winning basketball.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, you know what what I what I find interest
in and listen, I've been told y'all, Like I've been
told y'all a long time ago that this was a
recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That James Harden was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
My dude, Brian Damaris, the Dallas Mavericks analyst, he eloquently
ethered James Harden, and I just felt.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
James Harden so professionally.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, Balley Sports ended up pulling that video of
their social media and at this point, like it's so
it's so spread across everybody seen it that it doesn't
even matter that they've pulled it. But I mean, he
perfectly and eloquently ethered James Harden, and I just felt
so validated watching that entire video, like I'm glad you
(09:40):
said it, and you know they listened when the white
man said, so it don't matter when we said it.
When the white man said they really listened, So I
was like, we are on board here. But what I
want to do really quickly though, is in thinking about
everything that we have all said about James Harden and
how we knew what the impact was possibly going to
(10:01):
be in LA. What I love is the impact that
it's actually having on Philadelphia because the other thing that
I think some of us talked about I definitely brought
this up on brother from another is that Maxie was
going to be that guy if James Harden was not
on Philadelphia. So a couple of weeks ago, I was
filming BFA and I was called emotional. There was a
(10:23):
person that came in the comments talking about I don't
know who this shiit is, but if she's calling Tyrese
Maxie a star, she don't need to be talking about basketball.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And I'm cracking up in my mind.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I'm like, there's no way y'all possibly can watch hoops
and not understand what James Harden being off this team
does for Tyrese Maxie and do it has been thriving.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He dropped a.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Fifty burger on Sunday on twenty or thirty two shooting,
and y'all know how I feel about efficiency.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Efficiency matters.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But he added five assists, he added seven boards, he
added three blocks, and none of this took away from
Joel Embiid, who also had a thirty seven thirteen performance.
And the key word in that to me is complimentary.
Like that's the whole point. I feel like that was
the plan in Philly from the beginning, Like James Harden,
when you came to Philly, you were supposed to be complimentary,
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not the focal point.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And like you're continuing.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
To show that you want to be the focal point
everywhere you go, and you're just not at focal point
potential anymore. That's not your game anymore. So you're now
in La on the same shit. You're trying to be
diddy all up in the videos and it's just not working.
And so what I love is that now Philadelphia is
really showing what happens when you get complimentary pieces to
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play alongside who should be the focal point to your point, Martin,
it opens up the lane, It opens up opportunities for
you to score more, It spreads the floor, draws attention
defensively to different players.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now you've got Maxie showing out.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now you got Tobias Harris, who never was a scrub,
but sometimes you just decided he ain't want to show up,
but he's been deciding to show up, and even without
Kelly oubre that treat which shout out to him and
hopefully he'll be fine after being in a car accident
fracturing well, someone hit him and he has a fractured
ribs right now, which that whole scenario is weird and
(12:12):
very interesting to say the least.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But prayers up to him for a speedy recovery.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I mentioned him to say, Nick Patuone stepped in
added some much needed spacing on the floor for them
to get some point. It's just this Philly team is
clicking without harding. And the whole point that he missed
is that you're not the focal point. You're the complimentary piece.
Be that piece, and he just can't seem to be
that piece.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, he can't seem to be that piece. And it
goes back to yet pride and ego, right, which a
lot of these guys have, you know, at the highest level.
But what's tyronic about, you know, Tyrese Maxi and his
development is that he gave credit to James Harden you know,
for you know, really empowering him and giving him the
confidence to be who James always thought he could be.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I think it was the clip.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Was it maybe a year or two ago when they're
playing the Bucks and they was like, do I.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Need to remind you like who you are? Like, dude,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And then MAXI went off right, but to the point
about you know, the chemistry and the flow of how
it opens up the lane for Joe and beating the
other guys, Tarika. What Maxie does so well is he's
able to attack you in all three levels, whether it's
a nasty step back three if he get the float,
or he's done a great job of perfecting that or
(13:29):
you know what I'm saying, the mid range game right,
and that will just make this team so much more
potent as we go further and further into the season
because he's not just a limited score. And then we
got to talk about his hustle on defense, right, There
are a couple of times in that Pacers game but
he had some massive blocks because even though he scored fifty,
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that game went down to the wire, much like it
did for the Bucks and the Pacers. When Yanna scored
a thing fifty four and the Bucks lost. So Tyresee
is really coming into his own and I don't know
if it's going to end up in them making it
to the conference finals when the NBA Finals, right, because
we have yet to see Joe Embiid specifically show up
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in crunch time during the postseason when it matters the most.
But I'm here for the ride, and I do think
it's better for the Sixers now that Harden is gone,
because you don't have that looming over your head.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Martin.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, Like, I feel like we are seeing the difference
in a team just morale, Like morale matters, and you're
seeing their energy is different. They're playing more free when
when you get that that monkey off your back, whether
it's a person or a situation or whatever the case,
you do see the difference in how a team plays.
The guys like each other. They're glad to play that
that stuff matters. I'll say two quick things. I'm glad
(14:50):
you mentioned that, Chris about Harden, because I do feel
people should remember that Maxi's game is almost a mold
of Hard. It's a younger, fresher, quicker, more popping version
of Harden. To me, and when Harden first went to Philly,
I'll find the tweet. One of the first things I
remember saying publicly was like, Yo, Maxi is about to
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soak up a lot from that man, the side step master.
He has a lot of the same quick twitch stuff
that Harden is not as quick with anymore. But right
away I'm watching videos they're shooting together, They're in the corner,
working on the side step, going to progressions. I'm like, yo,
wait till y'all see what Maxi turns into. But I'm
circling up whatever we feel about James Harden in that
(15:33):
gym when it's just us working out, He's gonna soak
up some stuff from him. So when I heard him
give Harden credit, I'm like, I knew it. I knew
he was going to soak up game. And back to
the point about Maxie. See, this was always the difference
to me between steph and Harden. You know, five six
years ago there was a legit debate like who's better,
who's the better lead guard. This was always the main difference,
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and it's very simple. Just movement that pop right, MAXI
plays with that pop, he comes off the screen. He
just goes right to it. Quick decision, easy decision. I
think that's how Doc was trying to get hardened to play.
Harden doesn't play with that pop. Harden catches and sticks.
He waits it out, he waits it out, and usually
he'll create a nice play. He's a great playmaker. But
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you're going late in the shot clock. It's just too slow.
There's not enough pace. Maxi's giving you pace, youth, athleticism,
blocking shots, doing things that are impacting winning. And now
he's confident enough to get fifty. Yeah, the like her said,
I don't know where this is going, but the league
might really be in trouble and we have our next
young elite lead guard coming up right now before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And you're
talking about adding athleticism. He was crashing the boards offensively,
and that was something too, like when you can get
some offensive rebounding, giving your team an extra opportunity to
get some shots up to get reset, Like, that's going
to be huge for this Sixers team. But now that
(17:00):
brings me back to my girl, Tiffany. Yeah, Tiffany, you
getting all of love today.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I hadn't called you out on Twitter I'm calling you
out on the show because Tiffany's point was, how can
Maxi be a star in this league when he's never
been an All Star?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Is this the year that we see Maxi?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
If he keeps playing like this, if the Sixers continue
to play at this level, Is this the year you think,
and I'll start with you Martin, that Maxi can be
an All Star and can get that All Star nod.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I think he will be in the right if he's
prepared to be putting up thirty forty fifty. Not say
he's just gonna be averaging thirty for the rest of
the season, but if he's gonna be averaging at least twenty.
Given that confidence, Nick Nurse seems to be unlocking him.
Joe what he's playing well with Joelle. I love how
you mentioned that te like Embiid is not lacking because
of him. He's still dominant. He could still be an
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MVP if he wants to again. So I think he
will be in the running. Like he's gonna play well enough,
and it looks like Philly's gonna be winning enough games
where you're you're gonna have to consider him.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, Chris, Yeah, I'm in the same way, Like, I
don't know if he's gonna be able to you know,
keep putting up you know, fifty burgers or forty burgers.
But if he's averaging, you know, like twenty five, seven, six, whatever,
there's no reason why he shouldn't be in the conversation
to be, you know, an All Star and then also
an All NBA player, Like this is the year for
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him to really step into that spotlight and be a
hot topic and a hot topic amongst you know, the
national media and also the local media.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Let's talk about hot topics because you know what else
is a hot topic right now?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know else out here, but it is man, how's
fish breach? Right now?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Anthony Edwards is here and he's not here for the
games neither. The way that that mic picked up him
and Draymond Green talking cash money shit on the court
was classic. But here's the thing. Aunt was backing it up.
And that's the one thing that makes it very difficult
for you to be Draymond Green is that not only
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is this man talking much jumped to you, but he's
backing it up. So I usually got my man sag
Nasty's back, you know, Michigan State spurt and I usually
got your back, but Draymond, you will have to sit
this one out because Anthony Edwards was doing him. This
Minnesota team is also on a six game win streak.
This Minnesota team is also in the top five power ranking.
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Anthony Edwards has been so key to that. He dropped
thirty three in that matchup against the Warriors. They're also
taking on the Warriors in their next matchup, which is
happening on the evening of this podcast recording, and there
is no Steph Curry, So now you've got an opportunity
for Anthony Edwards to once again continue to propel this
Minnesota team. He's averaging twenty seven point nine points on
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fifty one percent shooting, shooting forty three percent from three,
six point one rebounds, averaging one point one. Still, several
outlets have already listed him as a top three player under.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
The age of twenty five.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But now we've got to have some conversation about whether
or not he's a top ten player period, because there
have been some NBA scouts who've been saying, listen, this
guy is a top ten player in the league despite age.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So Chris, what.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Is happening in Minnesota, and do we agree that AE
is top ten?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right now, what.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
We're seeing in Minnesota is the birth of the next
Michael Jordan, this generation Michael Jordan in terms of and
I know, Martin, you had what y'all look at it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
To the medicine, what she was taking, Chris Nightuaille.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Night quill you know the old nine yards Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
When I that was poorly phrased, right, because I was
going to get into something, but I saw your faces,
so I had to address it. And Martin still like,
I'm gonna slap the shit out of you, bro. It's
something that your boy were shot. Phillips said right your podcast,
Mark about how Anthony Edwards reminds you of Michael Jordan's
in terms of his and the user the words he
used were fabric of his game, not in terms of
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his career longevity, but just the way he comes to work,
his attitude and his athleticism. Right, some of his athleticism,
you're reminded of Michael Jordan. Nobody's saying he is the
next Michael Jordan. I'm just talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Chris because my heart started beating fast.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I saw it in your faces.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I was like, Oh shit, Nah, I gotta now, I
gotta clean this up because what I was trying to
say did not come across. But yeah, he's a guy
who consistently wants to get better, and you see it
with his game terms and his mid range game has
really improved, the three point shot. He's not scared of anybody.
He does not want to back down to nobody. It's like,
what you going like, bro, ain't nobody worried about you?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Drama? And then what did he do after that? He
received the cook his.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ass because he's writing checks that Steph Curry can't cat
by himself, right and Draymond damn sure can't catch him
because he ain't. He ain't all that in the back
of chips at this current moment, like step needs a
whole lot of help. In terms of the conversation about
Andthony Edwards being a top ten player the way he's
playing so far throughout the short season, I would say yes,
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I would say, yeah, he's playing like a top ten
NBA player going into the season. No, but now, yeah,
I'm I'm with that. I'm on that on the I'm
on that train for now.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I feel like AE is becoming a force of nature,
like not just a good player or a better shooter,
and like he's he's all those things are happening, but
it's like his mentality and his physicality are turning in,
turning him into like a force of nature. It's not
just like watching a good play. It's like, yeah, and
(22:51):
I think he has checked a big box in on
his way to becoming a superstar, which is get berated
by Draymond Green and respond and cook the Warriors. Because
because the thing about taking on Draymond in a in
a talking spat and whatever, it's like I always thought this,
it's crazy because Draymond might get in your head right now,
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and then you also got Steph cause like I feel
like Steph Loki will feed off that, Like he won't
say that, but like if Draymond gets in to Da Dada,
Steph would just be like, you know, quiet hip, but
like all right, Draymond's over there. I might come down
and hit three four in a row on you and
then you really out of whack, right, So you really
have to got to take on Draymond. And then like
if you're if you're a score, if you're a top
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player like AE, it's like Okay, I'm not just battling
Draymond here. I'm battling the Warrior system, Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry if he decides to go off. So the
fact that AE did what he did and responded and
it's like, hey, man, like I know who you are,
I know what you're trying to do. I'm here like
there's you. I'm not the one like You're not gonna
throw me off. I'm not one of those like I'm
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I'm really built different. And then he shows it. So
I do think that Anthony Edwards right now is one
of the two best shooting guards in the league. It's
him and Devin Booker, and by that logic, to me,
he's playing like a top ten overall player right now.
I think that's comfortable to say.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I would agree with you that in both of
you guys in that aspect too. And I just think
when I look at this Minnesota team as a whole
and just kind of how their trajectory has been and
this season is still very young, it's still very early,
but I love the poise that they are starting to
play with that kind of starts to make you feel
like they're a little bit of a veteran team, because
when you think about that Warriors game, they were down,
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they had committed nine early turnovers in the first half,
they had gave up so many offensive boards early on,
and it kind of felt like y'all about to be
doing the same old temper wolf type stuff, but they
held it together. Defense has absolutely been and I mean,
I guess it really shouldn't be a surprise when you
got Rudy Gobert, three time defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So you have the anchor to that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But we can't forget about Carl Anthony Towns, and I
think that that is where it starts to get a
little funny when you talk about this Minnesota team, because
here you go, you know, Carl still had twenty one
to fourteen. I think it's one of the best games
in his young season. And again, the way that they
were locked down defensively, they didn't make it easy for
Jonathan Kamena in the paint.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
They didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Easy for Clay as he was driving trying to help
Golden State go on that run. The defensive consistency, to me,
is what really has Minnesota playing so well early on.
And so when you see how there could potentially be
chemistry between Anthony Edwards and.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert and how the team
is coming together.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You also have to think, could we be looking at
a front office that has in the past made mistakes
and say, well, we've got our player in Anthony Edwards,
We've got our focal point. Maybe we need to look
towards moving in a different direction, and that direction could
include being.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Without Carl Anthony Towns. Martin.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Despite all of that, do you think that this Minnesota
team is looking to build its future with both players
or could we be looking at a potential movement in
the future with Karl Anthony Town's going somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Well, I really feel like, well, I'm I'm gonna talk
about naz Reid because I do I feel like nas Reed.
I keep waiting to see what they're gonna do, because
I do feel like, if you're gonna move off Towns,
you have almost the next best thing in nas Reed.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
To me, Towns is one of the bona fide Unicorns.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's one of the.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Top three or five skilled bigs in the league right
hybrid post stretch big like he's super skilled, like how
much better are you really gonna get? Right, Like, you
could probably get a nice little, nice little haul for
someone like Karl Anthony Towns if if a team is
really coveting him and is willing to But like, is
that really gonna be worth it? Is that gonna turn
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you into a team that's better than what you have?
I look at the duo of Anthony Edwards and Karl
Anthony Towns as something that you should probably look to
build around, unless you're looking at nas Reed as like,
let's more invest in him because nas Reed is the
real deal. I'm not just saying that because I'm from Jersey.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Nas Reed is the real deal. That boy can play.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
He does everything. Every time he's on the floor, He's
doing everything almost everything Kat can do. So I do
wonder and I have been watching to see, like, are
they gonna let this be Anthony Edwards team? That was
the first thing I was watching for in relation to Towns.
They've done that, they've accomplished that it's his team. He's
kind of forcibly taken it, if you will, But that's happened,
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and Towns seems pretty okay with it. If they can coexist.
My thing is like why not, Because with Towns, I
think you probably have a better product than you would
have without him.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm the same way, like, I know it's easy
or yeah, it's a sexy idea, you know, to be like,
all right, let's move off Cat, you know, because it'll
be coming up on a you know, a huge contract
year paint him like whatever, thirty nine million or something
like that. Don't know the exact numbers, but is it
worth it? I'm saying, you give it another you give
it another year or two, right, and I think then
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you see, Okay, maybe we do need to move Karl
Anthony Towns, you know, elsewhere, because AE is the cornerstone
for me, that is the franchise. And I think Carl
was perfectly fine with that to your point, Mark, like,
he doesn't strike me as an individual who is that alpha,
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alpha male so to speak, all the time, you know,
until he's comfortable being in that second fiddle position. So yeah,
I do think to Mart's point that they should stick
with Karl Anthony Towns and see what they can do
with those guys, particularly right, and then if it doesn't
work out, right, if they're still the thing about the
temperlves that really bothers me is what they do in
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the postseason. They just crumble. They make all these really
dumb decision you know. And I'm not saying they're dumb
players people, right, They're not intelligent, but sometimes we make
dumb mistakes, like all of us included, and that's what
the t Wolves do.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
So I like where we're going with.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
This with the t Wolves and Anthony Edwards taking over
as the front runner or as the you know, cornerstone
of the team. But I need them to take that
next step when it comes to the postseason and not
blow these leads like we've seen for the last few seasons.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I like where you were going with that, Chris, And
I also like where you're going Martin with the conversation
about Nasri, which is something that I probably should have
thought a little bit more about.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Because it makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And on top of that, you consider that Cat got
contracts that you're coming up. That's Supermax kicking in next
next year forty nine, mel And okay, listen, let me
get a dollar.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Cat you got yeah, forty not come on now, I
need that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I mean, damn, you got it too.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But but with that being said, like that has to
play a factor and how much we think about what
the next vision or view of this team is going.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
To look like.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Are we thinking that you need to pay this brand
like is he a necessity? And I think that this
season is going to really tell the story on whether
or not we think that Kata is a necessity to
this team or just a very expensive addition that if
nas Reed, as you pointed out, can really live up
to that next level, then maybe that's an expensive edition
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that we don't necessarily need, right And so I think
that is something we have to talk about when we
look at this Listen, Minnesota sitting three right now in
the standings. To your point, Chris, they don't always play
the best. The West is stacked, but they have a
real opportunity this year, I think, to really make something
happen for them from a postseason perspective. I'm not saying
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they go all the way to the Western Conference Final,
but they certainly can.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Get out of the first round. I think this year,
I see you shaking your hand Martin getting in here.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
That I feel like that has everything to do with
what we're seeing from Anthony Edwards, Like we're seeing that
he the fact that he's taken on the Warriors, He's
taken on you know, teams, And it's not to say
he's doing it by himself, but when you have an alpha,
you're when your best player is playing like how like
how he's playing. You look at a team like that,
and they have other good players. Jaden McDaniels is doing
great things. They've got Conley Nasri, they have good they
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have other good players. But when your best player is
playing like that, you feel that you have a chance
against anybody. So yeah, Dallas, Golden State, Denver.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I mean, you know that we.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Don't have super teams anymore right now really, so it's
like it's kind of up for grabs if you if
you have if your best player is playing like that,
you you you see it as they have a chance. Now,
I will say, I think Chris and both of you
made perfect points, because I do think what Cat does
in the postseason will probably really determine how they feel
about Okay, do we go all in on Ant and
(31:53):
Kat and then maybe package nas Read a couple other
players and you you could you might be able to
get something nice even from that, because again, I I
think nas Reed is going to be a valuable piece,
either on the roster or maybe as a trade piece.
So I think you need to make that decision, especially
when you go with I never understood the whole Twin
Towers thing. I thought we were small ball for out
one end, you know, modern day basketball, like the go
(32:14):
Bear Towns thing. I'm like, what, you know, who's doing
that anymore? So I think you have to make the decisions,
and I think the postseason it will probably clear things
up for them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, Cat has to deliver in the postseason. I know
he battled like some injuries and that may have played
an issue or played a role in why he didn't
perform well.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
But he needs to.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Like Tariki, you brought out the fact that you know
he's due for a super max forty nine million. You
get a supermax, you better be delivered in that postseason. Okay,
you need to be all in, lights out. If you're not,
then hey, look it's not my money, but the team
ain't gonna want to pay you. So that's something that
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is really really key for them.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
The first week of college basketball is underway, and already
this season, specifically on the women's side, has been filled
with I think both expected and unexpected outcome. So Don
Staley is already reminding everybody that South Carolina should not
be overlooked, and it really only.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Took a week for them to be where they should
have been from the start. Number one.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So let's move on preseason favorites LSU and Yukon. They've
already suffered their first losses of the year. PEC twelve
still ain't lost the game, Clayland Clark already got a
triple double one the season, and Jujua Rockins is leaving
no crumbs for nobody at USC right. So it just
kind of feels like this season, the parody across women's
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basketball is at an all time high, and I can't
remember the last time I've been this excited about.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A season, like just knowing, no matter.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The hype around player A or the hype around player B,
there just really is no clearcut favorite on who is
going to.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Dominate the college game. You know, we come.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
From a time where you know, Tennessee dominated, then Yukon dominated,
then you had your pieces here and there with who
might win a championship, but then Yukon came.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Back one like four more in a row.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Then over the last few years, South Carolina has really dominated.
But at the end of the day, this year, there's
just so many great players across this league, across the
NCAA landscape, that I think it's really setting the scene
for what really could be another fun and unpredictable season. So, Martin,
when's the last time you've been this excited about a
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college women's season? And so far in just this one week,
what has really stood out to you most?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
This has gotta be. This has got to be the
most anticipated season, the most anticipated time in general for
women's basketball, for women's college basketball. I do want to
give a shout out to my girl, Hannah Hidalgo Notre Dame.
Got heard college career started off the right way. They
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took the eldest South Carolina first game, but she had
thirty one waiting for them to get Olivia Miles back.
But but Hannah is doing what I've watched her do
since she was in about sixth grade. So it's really
wonderful to see. And uh i juju wakins. She She
is an alien. She bro you you she When I
see freshmen that play like that, I always think back
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to Carmelo Anthony, the most non freshman freshman I ever
watched in my life, like, she don't look like no
freshmen out there. Mackay Williams at LSU. I mean that
the freshman it's just it's really just too much. But
for someone like me, it's it's glorious. I just I
just love all the talent and uh, I mean, it's it.
It's something that we've kind of seen coming because if
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you've been paying attention, you've been seeing girls are just
looking and moving different out here. Lord, and I just
love it. So you're seeing the the the product of
that right now.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, it's also like the evolution, you know, of the
women's game, and you know how how these ladies have
just taken it to another level that you know, probably
some of us may not have expected. So it's great,
amazing to see that. And you know, unlike the college
men's game, the women's game has so much star power,
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right you talk about parody, they have so much star
power and storylines where we talked, excuse me when you
talk about freshmen coming into their only talk about aliens
like Juju Watkins. That's a junior as far as I'm concerned.
Mikhaela Williams. You know, on the day of this recording
on the day of this episode that we recorded it,
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she had forty two points. That's the most by a
thing of LSU freshman ever, forty two on like twenty shots.
They got my laser for a while. He of course
Handa Hidago, right, you got Kayden Samuel's at Yukon. There
are so many different players that have really shown like, Yo,
i may be a freshman, but I'm going to dominate
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like I've been in this game for three years or
been at the college space for three or four years.
So that's what I really love about it, and it
makes you very interested to see how they're going to
progress in their careers because unlike the men's game, we
know we're going to have them on the scene for
at least three years, right depending on you know, their
age or whatever, but at least three years they're going
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to be the talk of the town. And also what
sends out to me, Tarika is these preseason rankings, like
they're not how do I put it? Some of them
highlight how people go off history and legacy as opposed
to what is really what's really going on, Like, yeah,
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what are we talking about? Because Yukon had no business
being number two. That's a legacy vote. Okay, that's like okay,
Page Beckers, Okay, former you know, won the National Player
of the Year Freshman of the Year as well, which
he came on to seene ag Fudd preseason all whatever
a Lee Edwards. But we knew that this team was
gonna take some time to jail because of the new
(38:08):
pieces and Page and Ag coming back petifically Page coming back.
And then how about Indiana Indiana being ranked where they were?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I was like, hold up, Indiana? Was it? They were
ringing nine? Right?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They ranked nine and Stanfords ranked fifteen. I get a
little bit or Stanford right there lost Haley Jones. They
lost a lot of star power, but they still have
Cameron Brink who's looking like one of the best, you know,
bigs in the in the country, if not the best big.
But yeah, bro, they lost Grace Berger.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
What that was exactly Like Mackenzie Holmes is great, but lord,
there was a point there.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I can't I'll have to check the sacks later, but
there's a point where she had zero points in zero
boards in the game.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm gonna do you one better, though, bro, they had
have you seen in the pre it wasn't the preseason,
but the top five Like did you see the preseason
like top five rankings players?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Oh, yes, yes I did.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was Paige Cameron, Mackenzie, Angel and one other person
I'm missing, and I'm just like, it's one o the
oh Liz Kitley.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm just like, so, we're gonna disrespect Rakia Jackson like
she's not still playing. It's just so your point of people,
some of the voters in some of these rankings or
whatever they're doing, they're completely out of touch, it seems,
with who's actually doing what and where. And of course,
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as a black woman, I feel the ways that Angel
is the only player who y'all think deserves to be
in the top five of all the players across the
w I mean across the women's college basketball lampscape. That's
the only one like that was.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That was wild wild to me. But let me go
back really quickly too, if I can.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I was in Paris watching that game and I had
my husband with me, and the whole time he kept saying, who.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is number three? Who was number three? I'm right, number
three for Oh, who is you're talking about? He was
like number three for Nordre Dang with the little blonde ponytail.
Who is that? I'm like, Oh, that's Hannah. That's Hannah.
How dog go she a freshman? He likes she a freshman?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, but at least the first half if it wasn't
Hannah and it wasn't so yet what no points being scored?
And so there's obviously going to be some conditioning that
happens with this team where they're going to mentally get
into it.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They're gonna figure out.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I have no doubt whatsoever that Neil Ivy is going
to have this team together and when Olivia Miles comes back,
back court is going to be solid. We were talking
about this before the show, that that back court.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is gonna be solid. Still wouldn't been able to do.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Nothing with South Carolina because South Carolina is at a
league in their own but solid in the ACC for sure.
But I say all of that to say the parody
across women's basketball right now I think is at its highest,
and I do believe that South Carolina will sit in
that number one spot for a few weeks. But I
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don't believe that they're unbeatable. They like there are some
teams that if you show up on the right day,
which is what I love about college basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
You show up on the right day at the right time, any.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Team can take an ill and so we've seen that
with LSU, all of the hype that came in around them.
I think the hype is deserved because I think they're
a great team. But I also felt like Colorado wasn't
no scrubs. Colorado wasn't a team that was just sitting
over there waiting and just got lucky on a good day. Well,
they were a team that have played together, They were familiar,
they understood what the assignment was, and they went out
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and executed, and they took advantage of the slow start
for LSU. So I think we'll continue to see things
like that happen throughout the course of this women's college
basketball season, and they're only going to get better and
the chemistry is only going to jail even more so
by the time March gets here, it literally could be
anybody's game.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
And another point on the parody, we all know we
have to give credit to the transfer portal. You have
to be on your p's and two, you better be
keeping up with who's going where, because you may be
playing against a girl like, hold up, she was a
McDonald's All American. What's she doing at Southwest Dakota State?
You know what, you better keep up with this transfer
portal because that's contributing to the parody. Girls are going home,
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They're going to where they feel they can play, be
themselves and play free. That's contributing to the parody as well.
And T I loved how you mentioned the star power
starting right at the top with Angel Reees. I've been
talking to people about it all off season. Angel Reeves
is a case study and fame right now, and I'm
loving the star power we have in the women's college game,
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which seems like it is more prominent than the men's
college game. I don't see a bigger car than Angel
Reeves and the men's college game right now, just from
a fame standpoint, you know, the other girls are influencers,
huge followings, you know. I think that's contributing to the
confidence and the notoriety of the women's game as well.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Absolutely, and I can't wait to continue to see how
well these teams continue to just kind of push everything out.
I also want to just quickly say I need y'all
folks to get off social media line to these college
girls talking about y'all ain't gonna make no money when
y'all get to the w OH. I need you to
understand the difference people on social media between endorsement in salary.
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They are not the same. They are not the same. So, yes,
these girls can make money in their NIO deals. The
bigger they get, the more that these endorsements will come
their way. It has nothing to do with their salaries.
Stop lying to the American people and stop spreading misinformation.
If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Sorry, I just have to jump at that was that
was a bar. These are not just people on social
Media'm gonna take it a step further. These are people
on major platforms right where millions are watching. These are
former NBA players in some cases. So you have to
be extremely careful how you talk about the women's game
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because you hold so much influence over people with your word,
and even like people will take you for your word
a lot of times like oh yeah, this player, okay, whatever,
they know what they're talking about. But a lot of
times people do not know what they're talking about, even
if they have all these credentials. So I'm with you, Tarika, Like,
if you don't know what you're talking about, shut up,
(44:50):
just shut up. And then and then also let me
take a step further, let me go another level. Like
the people that are in the w NBA, you cannot
you cannot just sit back and laugh at that, right,
You can't. You can't endorse it or enable it. It
may be uncomfortable, but like, ah, yeah, yeah, no, actually, mister,
(45:11):
this is how it breaks down. Endorsements don't stop when
you get to WNBA. The salary may be, you know
what it is, and that's what we're trying to, you know, increase.
But endorsements, if you that girl.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
They gonna come. So that's all I got to say.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I still listen Angel Reese to side with Reebok. Angel's
still gonna be signed with Rebok when she gets to
the w NBA. That ain't gonna change because she's not
a college player anymore.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
So, yeah, do your research, folks.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
If you're not sure about the difference between endorsements and salaries,
just take a seat until you are.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
All right, y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So I was scrolling down my Twitter timeline and I'm
always gonna call it Twitter, So it ain't gonna never
be X as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
But I'm all through my Twitter timeline.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I came across Paul George's podcast and I was listening
to Lou Williams talk about his experience in the bubble.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
For those of you who are.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
You know, just tuning in and then been living under
a rock for the last like three years, we went through.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
A global pandemic and during.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
That pandemic, people had to play basketball in a bubble.
So the women were in Bradenton, Florida. The men were
also in Florida at IMG I believe and bro it
was an experience for those that were there. They could leave,
they had to stay in the hotel the whole time.
They were getting COVID tested every day. And so Lou
(46:40):
Williams decided to talk about how you know, there was
foo Kawhi was cooking and all like it was quite.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
And did you guys see the video See the clip
of Lou Williams talking about his experience.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
He was But one thing that he said though, that
really struck a nerve for me was he.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Said that.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
He didn't they didn't want to take the championship seriously
because people said that the championship wasn't going to be respected.
So the Clippers were actually up three to one over
the Lakers, if I'm not mistaken, that would have given
them an opportunity to go to the NBA Finals, which
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that finals was.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah, it wasnts It was the Nuggets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
It was the Conference.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
It was over the Nuggets and they were up three
to one and they ended up losing.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And so he talking about, oh, they was talking about
the chip wasn't gonna be respected.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Bruh.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
First off, this is all cap. You're lying.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
There's absolutely no way you lose a three to one
lead because the chip wasn't gonna be respected. Honestly, in
my opinion, for Rellly, y'all, I feel like the Chip
in the Bubble was probably the hardest chip that has
ever needed to be won in NBA history. Why everybody
had the same level of everything.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
There was no travel, there was no oh this player
got more rest. No, this was straight up.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You got the same amount of rest, the same amount
of days off, the same amount of time, the same training.
It was the most equal opportunity for every team in
the league that year to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
That was number one, number two.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
It was mentally taxing being in that damn bubble for
as long as they were, so everybody kind of had
a mental issue that they had to get over being
there around those people all that time, and for the
Lakers to still pull it out against the Miami team
that at the time was pretty damn decent. I got
mad respect for them winning that championship in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
So I don't know what Lou William's talking about. He
is lying he was capped. I don't believe it. Quit
being extra.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Out here to the American people to sound cool on
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You don't sound cool, you sound crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
No one's losing a three to one lead on purpose.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
They were up sixteen in Game five, they were up
seven going into the fourth quarter, and he's talking about,
you know, we just decided we're gonna take our foot
off the gas. So even if that was true, you're
telling me at the beginning of game five, or after
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you went up sixteen, going up seven, you checked social
media with it. Oh yeah, yeah, they think this ship
is not gonna be respected, Get the hell out of Nope,
I don't there's some things we're like, Bro, that's cab
or whatever may be true.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
But this is just blatant. Just take the air.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Be like, yo, we choked, like we fell flat and
we got our asses handed to us by the Nuggets
because we didn't finish business.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Don't go around here trying to spend.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Earth preach a narrative about how Yo, we heard rumblings
that the Chip wasn't gonna respect him. That's why you lost, Bro,
They're like to I think it was Nicias right. The
highest gunkin nikais Dunkin. Shout to him like there's film
we saw you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
You you.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Know, like Martin, this is ridiculous exists.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
We saw you hooping. Therefore we saw you trying right, Yeah,
are you are you admitting to throwing games? And you
you know, y'all just y'all just gave it it, like
bro that you know, environment does matter, and you know
we all can struggle with motivation in whatever you're doing
right and and your environment and setting matters. And I
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know we've had a lot of bubble talk afterwards about
guys who said, oh, we didn't really care, we didn't listen.
When you step on the floor and you hoop, you're
you're you're hooping. You're hooping to win. You're hooping, especially
when you're in a position to almost win.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Yeah, it's like, oh wait no, they said, na, guys,
they said this isn't good, like we're up three what
like we gotta we gotta let it go, like just
they said it doesn't count anymore.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
We were let's not play anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
We're gonna say if you were going to say, well,
you know what, they and respect the chips. So it
wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
That we lost when the series you're up three to
one and then just consciously say you're gonna lose the
next one, like just consciously lose that one.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
You don't just throw away. You're literally all you need
is one game, and that's where you just like, you
know what, now we straight we don't that. We were
gonna check out.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Look, you're better than that, Lou Williams, you're better than that.
I respected the man who went to get the lemon
pepper wings.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
I do not respect what is going on right now
about y'all. Ain't care about the chip. I don't respect it.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
I just don't, never will, never will.
Speaker 6 (51:38):
He's definitely better.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Than that, better than that, yo, but yo, everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I genuinely appreciate both of you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Chris, get some rest, my friend, take care of I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Don't drink whatever it was you were drinking, had you
talking about Michael Jordan, But drink something else, Get someone else,
get something, Get someone else for that.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Martin, Thank you for hanging out with us. We would
love to have you back on the show again.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's always a pleasure to have special guests come and
hang out with us, so we love it. Appreciate you, everybody.
Please make sure you are continue to check out the
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it off.
Hey, what up, Doe.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to the three on three podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But we're talking all things hoops.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Man three topics with your three favorite hoop heads. I'm
your girl, Tarrika Foster bra Brasby. I'm back from Paris,
back from Perry.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I don't know how to act about myself.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm still bougie, still smelling that Paris air, which ain't
all that great. But at the end of the day,
your girl is back. I know y'all missed my shenanigans
last week, but here we are. I'm alongside my guy
hosting anchor extraordinariy Chris Williamson, although he's feeling a little
under the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Chris, how you doing over there?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm doing all right, Terrika. You know you can hear
it in my voice. I know you set off camera
before the show. I sounded like crap, But I'm here
in the flesh and I'm trying to battle through it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
So let's cook.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Pulling, you know, pulling, pulling a Jordan twenty three on this.
So whatever you're coming in, it's your food game right here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I feel, yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
But we got your back, though, because this week we
have a special guest co host joining us, holding it Down.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
D D's also under the weather down Under and.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So instead we get to kick it with the creator
of Basketball Society, the host of Basketball Society podcast, and
co host of the Protect Our Queen's Podcast. Please welcome
Martin Swartz to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hi Martin, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It's good to be here with y'all family, two people
that I love and respect, so it is really good
to be here.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Looking forward to chopping it up with y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm so pretty excited to have you on the show.
I didn't stalk your ig enough, so it's great that
you know you're finally here with us. Just kind of
let us know what you're been up to, what you've
been doing.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Well, I've been stalking y'all first and foremost, so like
I said, I appreciate being here because I'm a big fan,
so I'm gonna get my fan energy out the lay first.
But yeah, just been tapped in with the college season.
NBA is here, and you know, some of my kids
that I've been training through high school, they starting their
starting their college seasons. They're freshmen, so I'm trying to
keep up with them. So you know, we're getting into
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winter and basketball season, so this is the time when
things get get pretty busy for me. But it's the
best game in the world, so I love it.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Every year. It's always great.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And yeah, we're definitely gonna later on in the show
chopping up about some of the freshmens that you're working with,
especially in the college game.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's crazy right now, and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You got we spoke about one earlier off camera who
I think is phenomenal, So I can't wait to talk
about that. But you know, let's get into the show,
and I feel like there's no better way for us
to start than with the team that's already sitting on
top of the NBA. They're sitting on top of the
power rankings this week, and that's the Philadelphia seventy six Ers,
eight game winning streak six and.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Zero at home, eight to one.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Overall, the process is processing, okay, I mean the Sixers are.
They're rolling right now, and honestly, if had not been
for a few miscues here and there, I think this
Philly team really could have won their and you're against
the Bucks, so we could be looking at it undefeated,
right now, but that's neither here nor there. You know
who is undefeated though the Internet, the Internet is always undefeated.
(03:12):
It ain't never lost in on our Gore's great Internet.
We got this video player over and.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Over of your boy James.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Harten out in LA at his conference, at this introductory conference,
talking about he is not a system player, he is
the system. Well, the system has broke as hell because
the system ain't been working in LA since he got there.
Clippers are smooth zero and four since his arrival. So Chris,
(03:41):
tell me why is the system failing?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know, it's funny that the sirens were going off
in the background. I don't know if that is poetic
or irony, but the fact that they were going off
as you're mentioning James Harden and how the system has
failed for four games since he's gotten back, or since
he's been traded to the Clippers, it's hilarious to me.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The reason why it's not working because one, they don't
I don't think they really have a full understanding of
how they should work together. I think maybe you bring
James Harden off the bench, you give Terrence Man a
look at the starting position, so James can lead that
second unit because remember Tyler said he want a Russ
to be on the ball, and James Harden could work
off the ball. But with hard and he talking about
(04:25):
he's a system, right, he can you know, operate and
facilitate and score. You want him to be in a
better shot or better position. And if you're going to
have him as a starter with Russ, with PG with Kawhi,
I don't think that's the right recipe then Also they're
just not locked in defensively, Like this team looks dysfunctional,
(04:47):
you know, out of sorts, and maybe that's expected, but
their age, they're getting up there in age, So those
are parts. Those are part of the reasons why they
have been struggling. And I also think, you know, James
just doesn't the self awareness we talked about it, Torika,
self awareness is not there. So I don't know, But Martin,
(05:09):
do you do how do you feel about the way
the Clippers have come out the gate with Harden coming
on to the team as of late.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Honestly, it looks how I'm pretty sure we thought it
was gonna Look, I don't think anyone expected Harden to
come in and then they just start wilding with their
little awkward big four that they got going on. Like
I was, I was legitimately shocked when I heard that
the Clippers were even interested in Harden. Like there's so
many factors that I'm like, man Ty Lou must feel
(05:37):
like he's a miracle worker, because it's like, why why
are y'all interested in James Harden? The Clippers had a
good thing going You bringing a guy like Harden, you're
you're changing everything, and you know you've got to work
around him when he's calling himself a system. I will
say this, and I'm not gonna fully defend James Harden here,
just an observation from a couple of things I've seen.
(05:58):
I don't think hardened well. I know, for fact, Harden
is not used to playing with guys who are legitimately
better than him and for him to play off the ball.
He's not used to being a catch and shoot guy.
Now he's a much better shooter than Westbrook, but he's
used to having the ball in his hands and holding
it for ten to fifteen seconds and he makes the decision.
So I've seen him a couple of times pump fake,
(06:18):
go for a contested pull up. He's not even used
to playing off the ball with other guys who are
better than him. So I think that's a huge adjustment
for him, and they have adjustments to make as a roster.
I think the roster is so challenging, and I'm just
I'm shocked that they even wanted him in the first place.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know what, I can't stress enough how I think
both of you all just nailed the one thing that
this all boils down to, and that's just self awareness, right,
Like I believe there are three year olds that have
more self awareness than James Harten. And the thing is,
he's not the only one, right, There are plenty of
people who just haven't accepted the realization that they just
(06:59):
aren't that guy anymore. And so, Martin, you've covered this
game a while, You've worked with a lot of people,
a lot of players on different levels. I need should
have just throw throw somebody under the bus right now
who swore it They were him, and everybody else was.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Like, nah, bro, you not that guy.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Okay, I got one for you. The best scorer I
ever played with, my college teammate, Jason Brill, is still
one of my closest friends to this day. He lives
in Florida. His kids are my niece and nephew. Jason
was a phenomenal Scori is from Patterson, New Jersey. Never
saw a shot he didn't like handle. Pat big guard,
could post, you could hit the three, had everything. But
(07:40):
he was selfish. He was a selfish scorer. So this
story is about a scorer who was selfish, who heard
the feedback from his coaches and teammates to say, Jay,
play unselfish and you will score more. So this is
about a play. This is about impacting winning, which I've
talked about a lot with people in James Harden. Certain
(08:01):
players may not be Hall of Fame caliber or or
have gone on scoring runs like Harden has, but they
when they play basketball, they just go out there and
they do things that impact winning. There are things that
you can do to impact winning a basketball game. Besides scoring.
You can run the floor, you can play defense, you
can communicate, you can do all kinds of things. The
impact winning. The main thing Harden does the impact winning
(08:25):
is go out there and.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Dribble the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Come give me, come get me, come give me a ball, screen,
tack and let me get to my step back. All
the other many things that you can do to impact winning.
He doesn't do so, my guy Jay Riels, just I
always tell my players this too. Now I saw with
my own two Ey's a selfish scorer score more points
by taking less shots because he bought into being unselfish,
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efficient and focusing on playing winning basketball.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, you know what what I what I find interest
in and listen, I've been told y'all, Like I've been
told y'all a long time ago that this was a
recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That James Harden was that guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
My dude, Brian Damaris, the Dallas Mavericks analyst, he eloquently
ethered James Harden, and I just felt.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
James Harden so professionally.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, Balley Sports ended up pulling that video of
their social media and at this point, like it's so
it's so spread across everybody seen it that it doesn't
even matter that they've pulled it. But I mean, he
perfectly and eloquently ethered James Harden, and I just felt
so validated watching that entire video, like I'm glad you
(09:40):
said it, and you know they listened when the white
man said, so it don't matter when we said it.
When the white man said they really listened, So I
was like, we are on board here. But what I
want to do really quickly though, is in thinking about
everything that we have all said about James Harden and
how we knew what the impact was possibly going to
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be in LA. What I love is the impact that
it's actually having on Philadelphia because the other thing that
I think some of us talked about I definitely brought
this up on brother from another is that Maxie was
going to be that guy if James Harden was not
on Philadelphia. So a couple of weeks ago, I was
filming BFA and I was called emotional. There was a
(10:23):
person that came in the comments talking about I don't
know who this shiit is, but if she's calling Tyrese
Maxie a star, she don't need to be talking about basketball.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And I'm cracking up in my mind.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I'm like, there's no way y'all possibly can watch hoops
and not understand what James Harden being off this team
does for Tyrese Maxie and do it has been thriving.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
He dropped a.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Fifty burger on Sunday on twenty or thirty two shooting,
and y'all know how I feel about efficiency.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Efficiency matters.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But he added five assists, he added seven boards, he
added three blocks, and none of this took away from
Joel Embiid, who also had a thirty seven thirteen performance.
And the key word in that to me is complimentary.
Like that's the whole point. I feel like that was
the plan in Philly from the beginning, Like James Harden,
when you came to Philly, you were supposed to be complimentary,
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not the focal point.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
And like you're continuing.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
To show that you want to be the focal point
everywhere you go, and you're just not at focal point
potential anymore. That's not your game anymore. So you're now
in La on the same shit. You're trying to be
diddy all up in the videos and it's just not working.
And so what I love is that now Philadelphia is
really showing what happens when you get complimentary pieces to
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play alongside who should be the focal point to your point, Martin,
it opens up the lane, It opens up opportunities for
you to score more, It spreads the floor, draws attention
defensively to different players.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now you've got Maxie showing out.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now you got Tobias Harris, who never was a scrub,
but sometimes you just decided he ain't want to show up,
but he's been deciding to show up, and even without
Kelly oubre that treat which shout out to him and
hopefully he'll be fine after being in a car accident
fracturing well, someone hit him and he has a fractured
ribs right now, which that whole scenario is weird and
(12:12):
very interesting to say the least.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
But prayers up to him for a speedy recovery.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I mentioned him to say, Nick Patuone stepped in
added some much needed spacing on the floor for them
to get some point. It's just this Philly team is
clicking without harding. And the whole point that he missed
is that you're not the focal point. You're the complimentary piece.
Be that piece, and he just can't seem to be
that piece.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, he can't seem to be that piece. And it
goes back to yet pride and ego, right, which a
lot of these guys have, you know, at the highest level.
But what's tyronic about, you know, Tyrese Maxi and his
development is that he gave credit to James Harden you know,
for you know, really empowering him and giving him the
confidence to be who James always thought he could be.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I think it was the clip.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Was it maybe a year or two ago when they're
playing the Bucks and they was like, do I.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Need to remind you like who you are? Like, dude,
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And then MAXI went off right, but to the point
about you know, the chemistry and the flow of how
it opens up the lane for Joe and beating the
other guys, Tarika. What Maxie does so well is he's
able to attack you in all three levels, whether it's
a nasty step back three if he get the float,
or he's done a great job of perfecting that or
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you know what I'm saying, the mid range game right,
and that will just make this team so much more
potent as we go further and further into the season
because he's not just a limited score. And then we
got to talk about his hustle on defense, right, There
are a couple of times in that Pacers game but
he had some massive blocks because even though he scored fifty,
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that game went down to the wire, much like it
did for the Bucks and the Pacers. When Yanna scored
a thing fifty four and the Bucks lost. So Tyresee
is really coming into his own and I don't know
if it's going to end up in them making it
to the conference finals when the NBA Finals, right, because
we have yet to see Joe Embiid specifically show up
(14:13):
in crunch time during the postseason when it matters the most.
But I'm here for the ride, and I do think
it's better for the Sixers now that Harden is gone,
because you don't have that looming over your head.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Martin.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, Like, I feel like we are seeing the difference
in a team just morale, Like morale matters, and you're
seeing their energy is different. They're playing more free when
when you get that that monkey off your back, whether
it's a person or a situation or whatever the case,
you do see the difference in how a team plays.
The guys like each other. They're glad to play that
that stuff matters. I'll say two quick things. I'm glad
(14:50):
you mentioned that, Chris about Harden, because I do feel
people should remember that Maxi's game is almost a mold
of Hard. It's a younger, fresher, quicker, more popping version
of Harden. To me, and when Harden first went to Philly,
I'll find the tweet. One of the first things I
remember saying publicly was like, Yo, Maxi is about to
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soak up a lot from that man, the side step master.
He has a lot of the same quick twitch stuff
that Harden is not as quick with anymore. But right
away I'm watching videos they're shooting together, They're in the corner,
working on the side step, going to progressions. I'm like, yo,
wait till y'all see what Maxi turns into. But I'm
circling up whatever we feel about James Harden in that
(15:33):
gym when it's just us working out, He's gonna soak
up some stuff from him. So when I heard him
give Harden credit, I'm like, I knew it. I knew
he was going to soak up game. And back to
the point about Maxie. See, this was always the difference
to me between steph and Harden. You know, five six
years ago there was a legit debate like who's better,
who's the better lead guard. This was always the main difference,
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and it's very simple. Just movement that pop right, MAXI
plays with that pop, he comes off the screen. He
just goes right to it. Quick decision, easy decision. I
think that's how Doc was trying to get hardened to play.
Harden doesn't play with that pop. Harden catches and sticks.
He waits it out, he waits it out, and usually
he'll create a nice play. He's a great playmaker. But
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you're going late in the shot clock. It's just too slow.
There's not enough pace. Maxi's giving you pace, youth, athleticism,
blocking shots, doing things that are impacting winning. And now
he's confident enough to get fifty. Yeah, the like her said,
I don't know where this is going, but the league
might really be in trouble and we have our next
young elite lead guard coming up right now before our eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And you're
talking about adding athleticism. He was crashing the boards offensively,
and that was something too, like when you can get
some offensive rebounding, giving your team an extra opportunity to
get some shots up to get reset, Like, that's going
to be huge for this Sixers team. But now that
(17:00):
brings me back to my girl, Tiffany. Yeah, Tiffany, you
getting all of love today.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Girl.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I hadn't called you out on Twitter I'm calling you
out on the show because Tiffany's point was, how can
Maxi be a star in this league when he's never
been an All Star?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Is this the year that we see Maxi?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
If he keeps playing like this, if the Sixers continue
to play at this level, Is this the year you think,
and I'll start with you Martin, that Maxi can be
an All Star and can get that All Star nod.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I think he will be in the right if he's
prepared to be putting up thirty forty fifty. Not say
he's just gonna be averaging thirty for the rest of
the season, but if he's gonna be averaging at least twenty.
Given that confidence, Nick Nurse seems to be unlocking him.
Joe what he's playing well with Joelle. I love how
you mentioned that te like Embiid is not lacking because
of him. He's still dominant. He could still be an
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MVP if he wants to again. So I think he
will be in the running. Like he's gonna play well enough,
and it looks like Philly's gonna be winning enough games
where you're you're gonna have to consider him.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, Chris, Yeah, I'm in the same way, Like, I
don't know if he's gonna be able to you know,
keep putting up you know, fifty burgers or forty burgers.
But if he's averaging, you know, like twenty five, seven, six, whatever,
there's no reason why he shouldn't be in the conversation
to be, you know, an All Star and then also
an All NBA player, Like this is the year for
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him to really step into that spotlight and be a
hot topic and a hot topic amongst you know, the
national media and also the local media.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Let's talk about hot topics because you know what else
is a hot topic right now?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know else out here, but it is man, how's
fish breach? Right now?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Anthony Edwards is here and he's not here for the
games neither. The way that that mic picked up him
and Draymond Green talking cash money shit on the court
was classic. But here's the thing. Aunt was backing it up.
And that's the one thing that makes it very difficult
for you to be Draymond Green is that not only
(19:07):
is this man talking much jumped to you, but he's
backing it up. So I usually got my man sag
Nasty's back, you know, Michigan State spurt and I usually
got your back, but Draymond, you will have to sit
this one out because Anthony Edwards was doing him. This
Minnesota team is also on a six game win streak.
This Minnesota team is also in the top five power ranking.
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Anthony Edwards has been so key to that. He dropped
thirty three in that matchup against the Warriors. They're also
taking on the Warriors in their next matchup, which is
happening on the evening of this podcast recording, and there
is no Steph Curry, So now you've got an opportunity
for Anthony Edwards to once again continue to propel this
Minnesota team. He's averaging twenty seven point nine points on
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fifty one percent shooting, shooting forty three percent from three,
six point one rebounds, averaging one point one. Still, several
outlets have already listed him as a top three player under.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
The age of twenty five.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But now we've got to have some conversation about whether
or not he's a top ten player period, because there
have been some NBA scouts who've been saying, listen, this
guy is a top ten player in the league despite age.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
So Chris, what.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Is happening in Minnesota, and do we agree that AE
is top ten?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right now, what.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
We're seeing in Minnesota is the birth of the next
Michael Jordan, this generation Michael Jordan in terms of and
I know, Martin, you had what y'all look at it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
To the medicine, what she was taking, Chris Nightuaille.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Night quill you know the old nine yards Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
When I that was poorly phrased, right, because I was
going to get into something, but I saw your faces,
so I had to address it. And Martin still like,
I'm gonna slap the shit out of you, bro. It's
something that your boy were shot. Phillips said right your podcast,
Mark about how Anthony Edwards reminds you of Michael Jordan's
in terms of his and the user the words he
used were fabric of his game, not in terms of
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his career longevity, but just the way he comes to work,
his attitude and his athleticism. Right, some of his athleticism,
you're reminded of Michael Jordan. Nobody's saying he is the
next Michael Jordan. I'm just talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Chris because my heart started beating fast.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I saw it in your faces.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I was like, Oh shit, Nah, I gotta now, I
gotta clean this up because what I was trying to
say did not come across. But yeah, he's a guy
who consistently wants to get better, and you see it
with his game terms and his mid range game has
really improved, the three point shot. He's not scared of anybody.
He does not want to back down to nobody. It's like,
what you going like, bro, ain't nobody worried about you?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Drama? And then what did he do after that? He
received the cook his.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ass because he's writing checks that Steph Curry can't cat
by himself, right and Draymond damn sure can't catch him
because he ain't. He ain't all that in the back
of chips at this current moment, like step needs a
whole lot of help. In terms of the conversation about
Andthony Edwards being a top ten player the way he's
playing so far throughout the short season, I would say yes,
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I would say, yeah, he's playing like a top ten
NBA player going into the season. No, but now, yeah,
I'm I'm with that. I'm on that on the I'm
on that train for now.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I feel like AE is becoming a force of nature,
like not just a good player or a better shooter,
and like he's he's all those things are happening, but
it's like his mentality and his physicality are turning in,
turning him into like a force of nature. It's not
just like watching a good play. It's like, yeah, and
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I think he has checked a big box in on
his way to becoming a superstar, which is get berated
by Draymond Green and respond and cook the Warriors. Because
because the thing about taking on Draymond in a in
a talking spat and whatever, it's like I always thought this,
it's crazy because Draymond might get in your head right now,
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and then you also got Steph cause like I feel
like Steph Loki will feed off that, Like he won't
say that, but like if Draymond gets in to Da Dada,
Steph would just be like, you know, quiet hip, but
like all right, Draymond's over there. I might come down
and hit three four in a row on you and
then you really out of whack, right, So you really
have to got to take on Draymond. And then like
if you're if you're a score, if you're a top
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player like AE, it's like Okay, I'm not just battling
Draymond here. I'm battling the Warrior system, Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry if he decides to go off. So the
fact that AE did what he did and responded and
it's like, hey, man, like I know who you are,
I know what you're trying to do. I'm here like
there's you. I'm not the one like You're not gonna
throw me off. I'm not one of those like I'm
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I'm really built different. And then he shows it. So
I do think that Anthony Edwards right now is one
of the two best shooting guards in the league. It's
him and Devin Booker, and by that logic, to me,
he's playing like a top ten overall player right now.
I think that's comfortable to say.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I would agree with you that in both of
you guys in that aspect too. And I just think
when I look at this Minnesota team as a whole
and just kind of how their trajectory has been and
this season is still very young, it's still very early,
but I love the poise that they are starting to
play with that kind of starts to make you feel
like they're a little bit of a veteran team, because
when you think about that Warriors game, they were down,
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they had committed nine early turnovers in the first half,
they had gave up so many offensive boards early on,
and it kind of felt like y'all about to be
doing the same old temper wolf type stuff, but they
held it together. Defense has absolutely been and I mean,
I guess it really shouldn't be a surprise when you
got Rudy Gobert, three time defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So you have the anchor to that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But we can't forget about Carl Anthony Towns, and I
think that that is where it starts to get a
little funny when you talk about this Minnesota team, because
here you go, you know, Carl still had twenty one
to fourteen. I think it's one of the best games
in his young season. And again, the way that they
were locked down defensively, they didn't make it easy for
Jonathan Kamena in the paint.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
They didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Easy for Clay as he was driving trying to help
Golden State go on that run. The defensive consistency, to me,
is what really has Minnesota playing so well early on.
And so when you see how there could potentially be
chemistry between Anthony Edwards and.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert and how the team
is coming together.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You also have to think, could we be looking at
a front office that has in the past made mistakes
and say, well, we've got our player in Anthony Edwards,
We've got our focal point. Maybe we need to look
towards moving in a different direction, and that direction could
include being.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Without Carl Anthony Towns. Martin.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Despite all of that, do you think that this Minnesota
team is looking to build its future with both players
or could we be looking at a potential movement in
the future with Karl Anthony Town's going somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Well, I really feel like, well, I'm I'm gonna talk
about naz Reid because I do I feel like nas Reed.
I keep waiting to see what they're gonna do, because
I do feel like, if you're gonna move off Towns,
you have almost the next best thing in nas Reed.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
To me, Towns is one of the bona fide Unicorns.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He's one of the.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Top three or five skilled bigs in the league right
hybrid post stretch big like he's super skilled, like how
much better are you really gonna get? Right, Like, you
could probably get a nice little, nice little haul for
someone like Karl Anthony Towns if if a team is
really coveting him and is willing to But like, is
that really gonna be worth it? Is that gonna turn
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you into a team that's better than what you have?
I look at the duo of Anthony Edwards and Karl
Anthony Towns as something that you should probably look to
build around, unless you're looking at nas Reed as like,
let's more invest in him because nas Reed is the
real deal. I'm not just saying that because I'm from Jersey.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Nas Reed is the real deal. That boy can play.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
He does everything. Every time he's on the floor, He's
doing everything almost everything Kat can do. So I do
wonder and I have been watching to see, like, are
they gonna let this be Anthony Edwards team? That was
the first thing I was watching for in relation to Towns.
They've done that, they've accomplished that it's his team. He's
kind of forcibly taken it, if you will, But that's happened,
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and Towns seems pretty okay with it. If they can coexist.
My thing is like why not, Because with Towns, I
think you probably have a better product than you would
have without him.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, I'm the same way, like, I know it's easy
or yeah, it's a sexy idea, you know, to be like,
all right, let's move off Cat, you know, because it'll
be coming up on a you know, a huge contract
year paint him like whatever, thirty nine million or something
like that. Don't know the exact numbers, but is it
worth it? I'm saying, you give it another you give
it another year or two, right, and I think then
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you see, Okay, maybe we do need to move Karl
Anthony Towns, you know, elsewhere, because AE is the cornerstone
for me, that is the franchise. And I think Carl
was perfectly fine with that to your point, Mark, like,
he doesn't strike me as an individual who is that alpha,
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alpha male so to speak, all the time, you know,
until he's comfortable being in that second fiddle position. So yeah,
I do think to Mart's point that they should stick
with Karl Anthony Towns and see what they can do
with those guys, particularly right, and then if it doesn't
work out, right, if they're still the thing about the
temperlves that really bothers me is what they do in
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the postseason. They just crumble. They make all these really
dumb decision you know. And I'm not saying they're dumb
players people, right, They're not intelligent, but sometimes we make
dumb mistakes, like all of us included, and that's what
the t Wolves do.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
So I like where we're going with.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
This with the t Wolves and Anthony Edwards taking over
as the front runner or as the you know, cornerstone
of the team. But I need them to take that
next step when it comes to the postseason and not
blow these leads like we've seen for the last few seasons.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I like where you were going with that, Chris, And
I also like where you're going Martin with the conversation
about Nasri, which is something that I probably should have
thought a little bit more about.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Because it makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And on top of that, you consider that Cat got
contracts that you're coming up. That's Supermax kicking in next
next year forty nine, mel And okay, listen, let me
get a dollar.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Cat you got yeah, forty not come on now, I
need that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I mean, damn, you got it too.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But but with that being said, like that has to
play a factor and how much we think about what
the next vision or view of this team is going.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
To look like.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Are we thinking that you need to pay this brand
like is he a necessity? And I think that this
season is going to really tell the story on whether
or not we think that Kata is a necessity to
this team or just a very expensive addition that if
nas Reed, as you pointed out, can really live up
to that next level, then maybe that's an expensive edition
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that we don't necessarily need, right And so I think
that is something we have to talk about when we
look at this Listen, Minnesota sitting three right now in
the standings. To your point, Chris, they don't always play
the best. The West is stacked, but they have a
real opportunity this year, I think, to really make something
happen for them from a postseason perspective. I'm not saying
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they go all the way to the Western Conference Final,
but they certainly can.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Get out of the first round. I think this year,
I see you shaking your hand Martin getting in here.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
That I feel like that has everything to do with
what we're seeing from Anthony Edwards, Like we're seeing that
he the fact that he's taken on the Warriors, He's
taken on you know, teams, And it's not to say
he's doing it by himself, but when you have an alpha,
you're when your best player is playing like how like
how he's playing. You look at a team like that,
and they have other good players. Jaden McDaniels is doing
great things. They've got Conley Nasri, they have good they
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have other good players. But when your best player is
playing like that, you feel that you have a chance
against anybody. So yeah, Dallas, Golden State, Denver.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I mean, you know that we.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Don't have super teams anymore right now really, so it's
like it's kind of up for grabs if you if
you have if your best player is playing like that,
you you you see it as they have a chance. Now,
I will say, I think Chris and both of you
made perfect points, because I do think what Cat does
in the postseason will probably really determine how they feel
about Okay, do we go all in on Ant and
(31:53):
Kat and then maybe package nas Read a couple other
players and you you could you might be able to
get something nice even from that, because again, I I
think nas Reed is going to be a valuable piece,
either on the roster or maybe as a trade piece.
So I think you need to make that decision, especially
when you go with I never understood the whole Twin
Towers thing. I thought we were small ball for out
one end, you know, modern day basketball, like the go
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Bear Towns thing. I'm like, what, you know, who's doing
that anymore? So I think you have to make the decisions,
and I think the postseason it will probably clear things
up for them.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, Cat has to deliver in the postseason. I know
he battled like some injuries and that may have played
an issue or played a role in why he didn't
perform well.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
But he needs to.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Like Tariki, you brought out the fact that you know
he's due for a super max forty nine million. You
get a supermax, you better be delivered in that postseason. Okay,
you need to be all in, lights out. If you're not,
then hey, look it's not my money, but the team
ain't gonna want to pay you. So that's something that
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is really really key for them.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
The first week of college basketball is underway, and already
this season, specifically on the women's side, has been filled
with I think both expected and unexpected outcome. So Don
Staley is already reminding everybody that South Carolina should not
be overlooked, and it really only.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Took a week for them to be where they should
have been from the start. Number one.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So let's move on preseason favorites LSU and Yukon. They've
already suffered their first losses of the year. PEC twelve
still ain't lost the game, Clayland Clark already got a
triple double one the season, and Jujua Rockins is leaving
no crumbs for nobody at USC right. So it just
kind of feels like this season, the parody across women's
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basketball is at an all time high, and I can't
remember the last time I've been this excited about.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A season, like just knowing, no matter.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The hype around player A or the hype around player B,
there just really is no clearcut favorite on who is
going to.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Dominate the college game. You know, we come.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
From a time where you know, Tennessee dominated, then Yukon dominated,
then you had your pieces here and there with who
might win a championship, but then Yukon came.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Back one like four more in a row.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Then over the last few years, South Carolina has really dominated.
But at the end of the day, this year, there's
just so many great players across this league, across the
NCAA landscape, that I think it's really setting the scene
for what really could be another fun and unpredictable season. So, Martin,
when's the last time you've been this excited about a
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college women's season? And so far in just this one week,
what has really stood out to you most?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
This has gotta be. This has got to be the
most anticipated season, the most anticipated time in general for
women's basketball, for women's college basketball. I do want to
give a shout out to my girl, Hannah Hidalgo Notre Dame.
Got heard college career started off the right way. They
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took the eldest South Carolina first game, but she had
thirty one waiting for them to get Olivia Miles back.
But but Hannah is doing what I've watched her do
since she was in about sixth grade. So it's really
wonderful to see. And uh i juju wakins. She She
is an alien. She bro you you she When I
see freshmen that play like that, I always think back
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to Carmelo Anthony, the most non freshman freshman I ever
watched in my life, like, she don't look like no
freshmen out there. Mackay Williams at LSU. I mean that
the freshman it's just it's really just too much. But
for someone like me, it's it's glorious. I just I
just love all the talent and uh, I mean, it's it.
It's something that we've kind of seen coming because if
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you've been paying attention, you've been seeing girls are just
looking and moving different out here. Lord, and I just
love it. So you're seeing the the the product of
that right now.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, it's also like the evolution, you know, of the
women's game, and you know how how these ladies have
just taken it to another level that you know, probably
some of us may not have expected. So it's great,
amazing to see that. And you know, unlike the college
men's game, the women's game has so much star power,
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right you talk about parody, they have so much star
power and storylines where we talked, excuse me when you
talk about freshmen coming into their only talk about aliens
like Juju Watkins. That's a junior as far as I'm concerned.
Mikhaela Williams. You know, on the day of this recording
on the day of this episode that we recorded it,
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she had forty two points. That's the most by a
thing of LSU freshman ever, forty two on like twenty shots.
They got my laser for a while. He of course
Handa Hidago, right, you got Kayden Samuel's at Yukon. There
are so many different players that have really shown like, Yo,
i may be a freshman, but I'm going to dominate
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like I've been in this game for three years or
been at the college space for three or four years.
So that's what I really love about it, and it
makes you very interested to see how they're going to
progress in their careers because unlike the men's game, we
know we're going to have them on the scene for
at least three years, right depending on you know, their
age or whatever, but at least three years they're going
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to be the talk of the town. And also what
sends out to me, Tarika is these preseason rankings, like
they're not how do I put it? Some of them
highlight how people go off history and legacy as opposed
to what is really what's really going on, Like, yeah,
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what are we talking about? Because Yukon had no business
being number two. That's a legacy vote. Okay, that's like okay,
Page Beckers, Okay, former you know, won the National Player
of the Year Freshman of the Year as well, which
he came on to seene ag Fudd preseason all whatever
a Lee Edwards. But we knew that this team was
gonna take some time to jail because of the new
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pieces and Page and Ag coming back petifically Page coming back.
And then how about Indiana Indiana being ranked where they were?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I was like, hold up, Indiana? Was it? They were
ringing nine? Right?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
They ranked nine and Stanfords ranked fifteen. I get a
little bit or Stanford right there lost Haley Jones. They
lost a lot of star power, but they still have
Cameron Brink who's looking like one of the best, you know,
bigs in the in the country, if not the best big.
But yeah, bro, they lost Grace Berger.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
What that was exactly Like Mackenzie Holmes is great, but lord,
there was a point there.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I can't I'll have to check the sacks later, but
there's a point where she had zero points in zero
boards in the game.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm gonna do you one better, though, bro, they had
have you seen in the pre it wasn't the preseason,
but the top five Like did you see the preseason
like top five rankings players?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Oh, yes, yes I did.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was Paige Cameron, Mackenzie, Angel and one other person
I'm missing, and I'm just like, it's one o the
oh Liz Kitley.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm just like, so, we're gonna disrespect Rakia Jackson like
she's not still playing. It's just so your point of people,
some of the voters in some of these rankings or
whatever they're doing, they're completely out of touch, it seems,
with who's actually doing what and where. And of course,
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as a black woman, I feel the ways that Angel
is the only player who y'all think deserves to be
in the top five of all the players across the
w I mean across the women's college basketball lampscape. That's
the only one like that was.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That was wild wild to me. But let me go
back really quickly too, if I can.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I was in Paris watching that game and I had
my husband with me, and the whole time he kept saying, who.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is number three? Who was number three? I'm right, number
three for Oh, who is you're talking about? He was
like number three for Nordre Dang with the little blonde ponytail.
Who is that? I'm like, Oh, that's Hannah. That's Hannah.
How dog go she a freshman? He likes she a freshman?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, but at least the first half if it wasn't
Hannah and it wasn't so yet what no points being scored?
And so there's obviously going to be some conditioning that
happens with this team where they're going to mentally get
into it.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They're gonna figure out.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I have no doubt whatsoever that Neil Ivy is going
to have this team together and when Olivia Miles comes back,
back court is going to be solid. We were talking
about this before the show, that that back court.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Is gonna be solid. Still wouldn't been able to do.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Nothing with South Carolina because South Carolina is at a
league in their own but solid in the ACC for sure.
But I say all of that to say the parody
across women's basketball right now I think is at its highest,
and I do believe that South Carolina will sit in
that number one spot for a few weeks. But I
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don't believe that they're unbeatable. They like there are some
teams that if you show up on the right day,
which is what I love about college basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
You show up on the right day at the right time, any.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Team can take an ill and so we've seen that
with LSU, all of the hype that came in around them.
I think the hype is deserved because I think they're
a great team. But I also felt like Colorado wasn't
no scrubs. Colorado wasn't a team that was just sitting
over there waiting and just got lucky on a good day. Well,
they were a team that have played together, They were familiar,
they understood what the assignment was, and they went out
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and executed, and they took advantage of the slow start
for LSU. So I think we'll continue to see things
like that happen throughout the course of this women's college
basketball season, and they're only going to get better and
the chemistry is only going to jail even more so
by the time March gets here, it literally could be
anybody's game.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
And another point on the parody, we all know we
have to give credit to the transfer portal. You have
to be on your p's and two, you better be
keeping up with who's going where, because you may be
playing against a girl like, hold up, she was a
McDonald's All American. What's she doing at Southwest Dakota State?
You know what, you better keep up with this transfer
portal because that's contributing to the parody. Girls are going home,
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They're going to where they feel they can play, be
themselves and play free. That's contributing to the parody as well.
And T I loved how you mentioned the star power
starting right at the top with Angel Reees. I've been
talking to people about it all off season. Angel Reeves
is a case study and fame right now, and I'm
loving the star power we have in the women's college game,
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which seems like it is more prominent than the men's
college game. I don't see a bigger car than Angel
Reeves and the men's college game right now, just from
a fame standpoint, you know, the other girls are influencers,
huge followings, you know. I think that's contributing to the
confidence and the notoriety of the women's game as well.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Absolutely, and I can't wait to continue to see how
well these teams continue to just kind of push everything out.
I also want to just quickly say I need y'all
folks to get off social media line to these college
girls talking about y'all ain't gonna make no money when
y'all get to the w OH. I need you to
understand the difference people on social media between endorsement in salary.
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They are not the same. They are not the same. So, yes,
these girls can make money in their NIO deals. The
bigger they get, the more that these endorsements will come
their way. It has nothing to do with their salaries.
Stop lying to the American people and stop spreading misinformation.
If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Sorry, I just have to jump at that was that
was a bar. These are not just people on social
Media'm gonna take it a step further. These are people
on major platforms right where millions are watching. These are
former NBA players in some cases. So you have to
be extremely careful how you talk about the women's game
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because you hold so much influence over people with your word,
and even like people will take you for your word
a lot of times like oh yeah, this player, okay, whatever,
they know what they're talking about. But a lot of
times people do not know what they're talking about, even
if they have all these credentials. So I'm with you, Tarika, Like,
if you don't know what you're talking about, shut up,
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just shut up. And then and then also let me
take a step further, let me go another level. Like
the people that are in the w NBA, you cannot
you cannot just sit back and laugh at that, right,
You can't. You can't endorse it or enable it. It
may be uncomfortable, but like, ah, yeah, yeah, no, actually, mister,
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this is how it breaks down. Endorsements don't stop when
you get to WNBA. The salary may be, you know
what it is, and that's what we're trying to, you know, increase.
But endorsements, if you that girl.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
They gonna come. So that's all I got to say.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I still listen Angel Reese to side with Reebok. Angel's
still gonna be signed with Rebok when she gets to
the w NBA. That ain't gonna change because she's not
a college player anymore.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
So, yeah, do your research, folks.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
If you're not sure about the difference between endorsements and salaries,
just take a seat until you are.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
All right, y'all.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So I was scrolling down my Twitter timeline and I'm
always gonna call it Twitter, So it ain't gonna never
be X as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
But I'm all through my Twitter timeline.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I came across Paul George's podcast and I was listening
to Lou Williams talk about his experience in the bubble.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
For those of you who are.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
You know, just tuning in and then been living under
a rock for the last like three years, we went through.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
A global pandemic and during.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
That pandemic, people had to play basketball in a bubble.
So the women were in Bradenton, Florida. The men were
also in Florida at IMG I believe and bro it
was an experience for those that were there. They could leave,
they had to stay in the hotel the whole time.
They were getting COVID tested every day. And so Lou
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Williams decided to talk about how you know, there was
foo Kawhi was cooking and all like it was quite.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
And did you guys see the video See the clip
of Lou Williams talking about his experience.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
He was But one thing that he said though, that
really struck a nerve for me was he.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Said that.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
He didn't they didn't want to take the championship seriously
because people said that the championship wasn't going to be respected.
So the Clippers were actually up three to one over
the Lakers, if I'm not mistaken, that would have given
them an opportunity to go to the NBA Finals, which
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that finals was.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah, it wasnts It was the Nuggets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
It was the Conference.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
It was over the Nuggets and they were up three
to one and they ended up losing.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And so he talking about, oh, they was talking about
the chip wasn't gonna be respected.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Bruh.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
First off, this is all cap. You're lying.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
There's absolutely no way you lose a three to one
lead because the chip wasn't gonna be respected. Honestly, in
my opinion, for Rellly, y'all, I feel like the Chip
in the Bubble was probably the hardest chip that has
ever needed to be won in NBA history. Why everybody
had the same level of everything.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
There was no travel, there was no oh this player
got more rest. No, this was straight up.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You got the same amount of rest, the same amount
of days off, the same amount of time, the same training.
It was the most equal opportunity for every team in
the league that year to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
That was number one, number two.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
It was mentally taxing being in that damn bubble for
as long as they were, so everybody kind of had
a mental issue that they had to get over being
there around those people all that time, and for the
Lakers to still pull it out against the Miami team
that at the time was pretty damn decent. I got
mad respect for them winning that championship in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
So I don't know what Lou William's talking about. He
is lying he was capped. I don't believe it. Quit
being extra.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Out here to the American people to sound cool on
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
You don't sound cool, you sound crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
No one's losing a three to one lead on purpose.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
They were up sixteen in Game five, they were up
seven going into the fourth quarter, and he's talking about,
you know, we just decided we're gonna take our foot
off the gas. So even if that was true, you're
telling me at the beginning of game five, or after
(49:16):
you went up sixteen, going up seven, you checked social
media with it. Oh yeah, yeah, they think this ship
is not gonna be respected, Get the hell out of Nope,
I don't there's some things we're like, Bro, that's cab
or whatever may be true.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
But this is just blatant. Just take the air.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Be like, yo, we choked, like we fell flat and
we got our asses handed to us by the Nuggets
because we didn't finish business.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Don't go around here trying to spend.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Earth preach a narrative about how Yo, we heard rumblings
that the Chip wasn't gonna respect him. That's why you lost, Bro,
They're like to I think it was Nicias right. The
highest gunkin nikais Dunkin. Shout to him like there's film
we saw you.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
You you.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Know, like Martin, this is ridiculous exists.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
We saw you hooping. Therefore we saw you trying right, Yeah,
are you are you admitting to throwing games? And you
you know, y'all just y'all just gave it it, like
bro that you know, environment does matter, and you know
we all can struggle with motivation in whatever you're doing
right and and your environment and setting matters. And I
(50:33):
know we've had a lot of bubble talk afterwards about
guys who said, oh, we didn't really care, we didn't listen.
When you step on the floor and you hoop, you're
you're you're hooping. You're hooping to win. You're hooping, especially
when you're in a position to almost win.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Yeah, it's like, oh wait no, they said, na, guys,
they said this isn't good, like we're up three what
like we gotta we gotta let it go, like just
they said it doesn't count anymore.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
We were let's not play anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
We're gonna say if you were going to say, well,
you know what, they and respect the chips. So it
wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
That we lost when the series you're up three to
one and then just consciously say you're gonna lose the
next one, like just consciously lose that one.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
You don't just throw away. You're literally all you need
is one game, and that's where you just like, you
know what, now we straight we don't that. We were
gonna check out.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Look, you're better than that, Lou Williams, you're better than that.
I respected the man who went to get the lemon
pepper wings.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
I do not respect what is going on right now
about y'all. Ain't care about the chip. I don't respect it.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
I just don't, never will, never will.
Speaker 6 (51:38):
He's definitely better.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Than that, better than that, yo, but yo, everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I genuinely appreciate both of you for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Chris, get some rest, my friend, take care of I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Don't drink whatever it was you were drinking, had you
talking about Michael Jordan, But drink something else, Get someone else,
get something, Get someone else for that.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Martin, Thank you for hanging out with us. We would
love to have you back on the show again.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's always a pleasure to have special guests come and
hang out with us, so we love it. Appreciate you, everybody.
Please make sure you are continue to check out the
three on three podcast on iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. You can find us on Twitter at
three on three pod. You can find us on Instagram
at three on three Pride. I'm your girl, Tarrika Sign
(52:28):
it off.
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