This week on 4 from the South, we cover the rise of a libertarian who's getting close to becoming part of Argentina's legislative body, the discovery of dinosaurs in Bolivia, new details on the Pandora papers, and how Wall Street is nervous about the possibility of a new president in Chile.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's welcome back in Benito to Four from the South,
our show where my friend Fabrizio Capano helped me go
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through four of the biggest stories from Big Latin America. Fab,
how are you doing today? I'm great. I'm still in
here in Gualadajara, Mexico, so I'm I mean, I'm feeling
all this stories in a more personal way. You're feeling
the deepness of the Latin America in the mountains of Guadalajara.
It's in the mountains, right, Guadalajara kind of there's mountains around. Yeah,
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we can say that there's mountains, trust me. Okay, We've
got four good stories for you today. We're going to
talk about a libertarian who is likely to get elected
to argent Tina's legislative body. We're going to talk about
Bolivia and the amazing number of dinosaurs that remain to
be discovered there. We're going to resume our conversation about
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the Pandora papers. Fab has some new details on the
various people who are hiding money all over the world.
And then we're going to talk about your homeland, Chile.
Frequent topic here on four from the South because Wall
Street is getting nervous about the potential new president of
Chile and you've got some firsthand information. We're gonna save
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that one for last. I'm going to start us off
fab with a story I found once again in The Economist.
That's like my go to place for stories of Latin
America because a good thing about The Economist is there
takes on what's going on in Latin America are usually
kind of skeptical and upset because The Economist is a
very stodgy English magazine for rich people. But here the
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story debates in Latin Americas, people say, like, well, in economies,
they're saying that our countries mean blah blah blah, and yes,
I was like a legite source of information and I
was like, oh, I've never I've never heard of a
magazine like more arrogant than the Economists. They'll straight up
like say what what the They're like, boy, Brazil really
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needs to do this, or like and it's just some
guys in England, But what do they know? They don't
know what's if Brazil doesn't turn this around, big trouble anyway,
They really don't, it seems to me reading between the
lines of their article headlined Javier Milay, a libertarian maybe
elected to Argentina's Congress. Here's their description first paragraph, long
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Live liberty, God damnit, proclaimed Javier Malay, a fifty year
old economist, at a meeting of comic book aficionados in
Buenos Aires. In the article goes on Javier Malay dressed
as General and Cap, a character he invented. Who's the
fictional leader of lieber Land, a plot of land covering
seven square kilometers, an imaginary land team eight up um,
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but he's come to kick Keynesians and collectivists in the ass.
He's here, he's got through the first round of voting
in um Buenos Aires, where he's running and uh, he's
probably going to get a seat in Congress. So reading
the article, this guy, he's a libertarian, he's fifty years old.
He says that he's never combed his hair, or since
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he was thirteen years old, he's never combed his hair,
and apparently he gets a lot of press, uh and mileage.
One of his allies is a woman named Lilia Lemoyne,
a cost player who is over a hundred thousand followers
on Instagram, and she's this guy's makeup artist. That's interesting.
Let's we'll come back to that. And she promotes his
ideas occasionally by posting raunchy selfies wearing t shirts with
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such slogans as free market and private Property. I went
over to check out Lilia LeMoyne's Instagram. It wasn't as raunchy,
like the economist standard for raunchy is pretty low, unfortunately,
I mean Lily Lemoyne. It's mostly like pictures of herself,
but they're not too raunchy. But she does everywhere have
a slogan um la la panguin lost Capitalistas. I botched that,
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I'm sure, fab, but you get what I'm trying to say,
Let the capitalists pay for the crisis. That's the shirt.
And it's like, yeah, she's she's like wearing I think
I saw this. She's like wearing a very tight shirt.
Yeah you for for mail and the audience that she's
reaching out. Clearly that's well, I mean, a good way
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to get the message to you know, it's working for
the guys. But I think this we're speaking to a
larger issue here. There's something going on with costplay and Instagram.
These things are in politics. White costplay is so close
to fascism that's why. Why why? Well, I thought it
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was interesting, like yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry, no, just
maybe because of these people really want to live in
a fiction and they oldest fiction are based in like
worlds where like there's a villain that he is a
strong oppressor and so they one part of that adventure.
In real life, yes, comic book thinking is a little fascist.
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There's good and bad, there's evil tyrants. There's a guy
who's yeah, and he and the hero is perfectly justified
to use violence against his opponents because they're so bad.
I mean, they're the green Goblin, you know, like who
doesn't want to use Batman Batmans? It reached dude that
it's just like instead of training, n G, he just
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go and attack for people who are the same tire criminals.
That's a great point. Isn't Bruce Wayne a capitalist? Shouldn't
he be paying for the crisis instead of going around
beating people up and fighting Baine and the children he
haves some I mean, I'm sure he's in the Pandora papers.
I'm sure he's like in a text heaven, you know,
he's not paying. If Batman were true, like if we
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were accurate to real life, most is Shoes would be
about Bruce Wayne sitting down with his accountant and working
out how, okay, we need to put this in a
deferred account because otherwise it's going to be four and
Bruce is gonna high understand, Yeah okay, and we'll put
that will cycle it through an offshore corporation in the
Cayman Islands, but that doesn't sell comic books nor movies,
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so they usually cut that part out. At the same time,
I have to say, this is not only a thing
that is going on in the in the right wing, uh,
the left is also have some cost players in Chile
that they are actually in the convention writing the new constitution.
We already discussed a couple of episodes ago about the
tap Cachuy. Yeah, and she's always surrounded by two dinosaurs,
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two guys dressed as dinosaurs. They're also one of them
writing the constitution. So it's like pick at you and
the dinosaur at the Velasi raptor. They're both going to
sign the new Constitution of Chile. Okay. So the United States,
the Constitution was written by like Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin,
James Madison. In Chile, the constitutions being written by Aunt
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Pikachu in the Two Dinosaurs. But those people are not
cost players. Also in a way, they were waiting weights,
there were powdered wigs. They were absolutely cost players. That's
a great point. And by the way, like you know
the U. S Constitution, I think it was pretty good,
but we did have a civil war that killed a
lot of people. There's a fight over it about every day,
you know, like we it's not like it's a perfect document.
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Let's not praise ourselves too much. Why not let tir
Pikachu in The Dinosaurs have their chance exactly? And once
again he's like I remember doing the riots and Chile
into those in nineteen all over like a ton of
characters like superhero characters and show up in the streets
like a Pattyman, a guy with a stop sign who
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was like kind of kind of an Avenger, was kind
of like a Captain American using the stop sign as
a shield. There was like another guy who's a commen.
It was like based on a plant from this how
it was like the swamp thing, but just a guy
dresses the plant. I don't know. I have to say
there's something about current politics that people wanted to be
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more like fan fiction. Yes, yes, and and even here
in the US, you know people that are really into
AOC or like the you know, the kind of superheroification
of politicians. I don't think this happens. I don't remember.
I wasn't paying that much attention in the eighties. But
I don't think people were like, yes, Bill Clinton, He's
my superhero, or like George H. W. Bush go cut
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on the Boss Girl. That wasn't happening. We knew these
people were boring functionaries, and it was. But also like
I was thinking about, like doing the like the people
who stormed with the capital. There was a guy in character.
It was like a Star Wars character in a way. Yes, yeah,
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I feel like I saw that guy. And then there
was the Shawan in with the big He was, you know,
the guy with the weird It looked like Fred flint
Stone when he's in the Buffalo Lodge or whatever. What
we're going to do about this. It's like maybe at
some point we're going to have a president of a
country or of the United They actually is a character.
He's just like I think he's not even using his name.
You know, I hadn't put this together, but like yeah,
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well we'll have yes, super Machismo president a guy something
like that. But the rise of comic book movies, I mean,
Comic Con here in San Diego before the pandemic was
the biggest craziest gathering of human beings I've ever been
present for, just hundreds of thousands of people, and to
gather in San Diego dressed as people to see previews
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or comic book movies whatever. And if you're getting people together,
you're in politics. That's what politics is, right, And so
I think I didn't see it coming, But isn't it
natural enough that like cosplay, comic book culture, that that's
now seemed it's one of the biggest changes in my lifetime,
gone from a friend thing that like you were a
nerd to be into that into the by far the
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biggest entertainment product in the world. Well maybe maybe not
ahead of like sports or something, but huge. And number one,
I know, I'm glad doctor right here and there. But
when the sports take over, I don't know, Oh no, yeah, no,
I mean just for our audience, try to imagine this
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or remember these pictures of Hitler giving a speech and
you see all of these humans, you know, dress in
army uniforms listening to him. There's not that much of
a difference about Comic Con panel. There's not that much
of the difference. And that even that was a form
of costplay, right, these guys are dressing, they're doing pageantry.
So a worrisome development. We're going to keep an eye
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on it here and four from the South, but it
cannot be ignored at this point that costplay and costume
re is becoming an increasing part of politics. I mean,
it's just it's just like, just to finish this story.
I just remember there's a classic story about pinot Chet
during his first photoshoot, you know, when he became the dictator.
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They were like, okay, we're gonna take a picture with
the new government, you know, all these dark, horrible humans
right behind him. He was in front, and he stopped
the picture. He's like, wait, bring me my sunglasses. So
his first official picture as dictator, he's wearing sunglasses because
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he wanted to create the character of the evil guy
who can destroy you if you're against him, and he
didn't want to That's spooky, man, I don't like that.
That's cosplaying. You know. Well, let's let's move on to
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a little more cheerful story. I think again we turned
to the economy. But this has been a story. I've
seen this in other places too. Dinosaur bones, there were
tons of them, There are lots of We were fairly
certain that there are lots of dinosaur bones in Bolivia,
and the question is like, what are we gonna do
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to get them? Bolivia like a lot of there's been
a lot of dinosaurs. They used to walk around, uh, Bolivia, Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil.
This was a dinosaurs are going to and from and
they found a lot of dinosaur footprints in Bolivia. But
they haven't found that many dinosaur bones. And part of
the reason is the geology of Bolivia. It's accordion like
folds of rock and stuff over time. But part of
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it is they don't have the money. They don't have
the infrastructure, they don't have the roads to go to
these places, they don't have the guys going out. There
have so many other problems to fix to start digging
for dinosaur bones. Imagine being like I'm gonna spend my
day digging for dinosaur bones. It's like we don't have
clean water, man, Like, maybe you could help us. I'll
be so angry. I'll be angry if you guys are
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you know I we still don't have houses here. Can
you please fix that before you start digging for bones?
Well that was kind of a question. I was like,
should we Is this something we should prioritize? Could this
be good for Bolivia? Or dinosaur bones a sort of
a form of natural resource that we could get after?
Kids love dinosaurs, I mean kids love dinosaurs. There's a
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tourism thing and uh it makes sense in a way,
but I think we need like international capitals to like
just you know, take the bones out of the ground
and uh pe Well great if this company is starting
like helping uh this kind of I mean activism, dinosaur activism. Um,
I don't know. I feel like the government of Bolivia
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by itself shouldn't be paying attention to do this that much.
And it's okay, No, they have their own problems. I
was reading about coke in the cocon market in Lapause
they're having massive riots of people who are opposed to
versus people who are supporting the government. Minute this is
centered on the coca leaf. Uh. The coca leaf a
common product in Bolivia. People chew it and they make
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tease out of it and stuff. It's not just for cocaine,
but the coca farmers are rioting big problems in Bolivia.
Dinosaurs from million years ago not the number one priority. However,
I was wondering, like they quoted a number twenty thousand dollars.
For twenty thousand dollars, we could dig up a lot
of dinosaur bones in Bolivia, And I was like, is
that should we start? I don't want to commit for
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from the South to raising money for Bolivian dinosaur extraction.
Should we think of maybe maybe they can name one
dinosaur Steve Healely, I mean with the money. You know,
if we had a dinosaur called for from the South,
would that help the podcast? Would that put us on
I don't know. I don't know. People like these jerks
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all the problems in Bolivia. These jerks are going around
doing dinosaur bones. But then of course, thinking like that,
we won't do anything. You know, we'll get some attention,
that's for sure. Like now just another discretion. But like
I was said, believe you when I was a kid,
and you know that I believe you. Is very it's
very the altitude, it's it's very high. So I was
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a kid with asthma and I wasn't able to breathe.
So my mom, I want to get um tea like
cocat tea with the coca leaves. But she came back
and she was like, I brought you cocaine. Okay. She
she felt like the leave was called cocaine, not like
the whole process. But she was fine. She's like, you
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might need some cocaine. Yeah, she was like, son, you're
not able to breathe. Do you need some cocaine to
get better? So do the trick didn't help you out.
I mean, I'm a white since that day happen. The
coca leaf in Chile is coca leaf? Like? Is that
a part of life? Do people drink coca tea? Do they? No?
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It's not in Chile. No, No, we don't have that.
Now we don't have my day either. I mean we yeah,
we need we need to work on that. What do
you guys have as like your top every day? Pick
me up? You know? What's what's said about this is
like or thing was avocado toast. That was the Chilean
thing to do every morning, avocado toast. It was not
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a big deal. It was not a thing. It was
like everyday meal and now it's it's expensive. It's weird.
They put more topics than they need to put. I
don't know. You can you still get a cheap avocado
toast in Chile or has the hipster market for the
avocado ruined it? Yeah, the hipster market for our avocado
kind of make it now a more expensive thing. And yeah,
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I mean everything, everything and everything. It does seem a
bit like Chile is a somewhat hipster country. Is that wrong?
I don't know. I think I think they've been trying
to push that then already from Chile. I think there's
a lot of people would wanted to Chile it to be.
And we have some um highlights like I don't know
a was the name of this guy, um an oil
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Oi to Chile for a year. You know, we have
we have our things or hipster moment. You've got your
guys from Chile hipsters like him. Um, it's kind of
it seems like somewhat laid back culture. There's not a
ton of focus on like achievements. That's kind of a
hipster thing. And maybe we'll get a hipster president. Maybe
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let's talk about that. Is that our story number three,
the hipster possible hipster president of Chile, take it away.
So um. During two thousand eleven, there was huge riots
in Chile about education. It was the first moment of
like the the Chilean stability started getting uh little bit complicated.
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So there was this group of students who started you know,
taking universities and like even speeches about like changing the
way that that private education was was run. And one
of them was this guy called Gabriel bored each so
reached the guy from Marga is a guy from the south,
from like the last part of Chile, and he during
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that those years started getting some attention. Then a couple
of years later he and big part of that group
got some seats on Congress. So he became a congressman,
and he started, yeah, becoming very famous and really well known,
really young. Uh So then during this year of election,
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because the election cycle started, I don't know, uh maybe
half year last year, he was they needed his his group,
he's he's the white front group. They needed a candidate.
They were like, we don't. He's our front man. We
got a band, but we need a front man. We
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need a front man. And he was like okay, I'll
do it. I don't want to do it, I don't
feel ready to do it, but I'll do it. Because
he was doing a emory with the Communist Party of
Chile that had this guy called Hardway that was doing
great in the polls. He was like killing it, you know.
And after the riots of two thousand and eighteen, and
it was like, of course now people want some big
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revolution and like a communist president and like wholla what
and uh he like he won, he won, I mean
the Boridge one to this guy. He defeated the Communist
and it was like what the hell? And he got
a million votes literally one point something million votes, and
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he yeah, now it's like, oh, this is this is
becoming real. Uh. In six months he started like getting
signatures online to be in the in the in in
the ticket. And now he's number one. He's number one
in every single poll, is beating the polls. Yeah. And
and there right is having a lot of troubles because
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they have a candidate that is not working well. So
this extreme right candidate is rising. This guy cast so
the fighting vote to vote while he's like running by
himself kind of okay, So he's he's he had a
big chance. And he's thirty five, probably he'll be thirty
six when he became president. Is really young, and uh,
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I don't know. I think it's uh, it's crazy that
a thirty five or thirty six you are running, you're
the president of the country, and you know this guy
has that right. You've met this dude, I know for
a long time because during the two thousand and eleven
um college situation, I I was supporting the students, uh,
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doing shows and comedy in different college, you know, in
in in Chile, and it was great. And I met
him a couple of times then, and I I know
him after that. I see him a couple of times later.
He's a great Yeah. Yeah, I think he's going to
do a good job. It's just like it's still gonna
be so hard. I don't know, it's crazy. So many
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things are going to go back in the next couple
of years, and he's gonna be like, I'm thirty six.
I don't know. Well, I thought that this story that
was a great version of this story. If you weren't
getting a firsthand account and you were reading, say Bloomberg,
you might have come across this same story with the
following headline, left wing rage threatens a Wall Street haven
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in Latin America. That's a little different spin on the
exact same story you just told me, because Bloomberg is like,
Chili used to be this chill country where you can
invest your money and make a lot of money. And
now we got this guy Boris and he's gonna mess
everything up, and UH Bank of America saying don't send
your money there, and they're gonna shut down the copper mines.
So what's going on? It sounds like it sounds to
me like Boris is. If I'm a Wall Street guy
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and all I care about is Chili as a as
a Chile is a way to increase my profits, I
think I'd rather have Boris than a commune. I mean,
maybe I'd rather have a right wing guy, But it
seems like yeah, And I think they tried to paint
him as a radical and he's not as radicals like
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people think he is. I think they like, once again,
he's not going to be able to change a lot
of like the big things, because he's gonna be fighting
with so many new stuff that it's going to be
current day problems that I think. I mean, I don't know.
I don't I'm not an expert, but I feel it's
not going to be how scary that they painted in Bloomberg.
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And by the way, on the other side, they have
an extremist um conservative guy that I think if he won,
that there's a chance of that. Of course, Uh, it's
gonna be more riots. People are gonna be more angry.
I think this guy, people gonna be like, okay, were
now we are in government again. We try, we kind
of we're going to be able to figure out what
to do next, right, working towards a solution. Um. I thought.
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Here was the detail that I thought was interesting, is
so Borich has some tattoos, right, He has a tattoo,
at least one tattoo of a lighthouse symbolizing his home
in the south of Chile, which, you know, because everything's flipped,
it's like being up in Seattle, or like northern Canada.
It's like the ends of the earth in the south,
cold and whatever. But the other candidate also has tattoos, right,
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the right wing guy. According to Bloomer. So, I was like,
is this the first time that there's been a major
country having an election where the two leading candidates both
have tattoos. Yeah, and I think at the same time
they showed it to choose a lot in the campaign.
It sounds like they have and they're like always wearing
lunch shirt sleeve shirts, not really like there's that guy
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he's like this, like this and he haves like a
bird or something in his arm. Wow. So maybe now
people want more more to choose more votes. Yeah, and
I have either has either candidate considered like getting a
tattoo of like, you know, if if is this for
the United States, they might get a tattoo of like
the swing state they might get Hey, look North Carolina.
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I got a tattoo. I hope to win North Carolina.
I'm committed here. Is there any strategic tattooing that could happen?
I hope. I hope someone is thinking that's strategy. But
I think that they When we never will know is
when the world will be ready for a face that
too president. Wow, that's coming, that's coming. We're gonna have
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a costplay against a face tattoo that will happen in
our lifetime. I think, Okay, fat that was awesome. You're
you're do you do such a wonderful job. I hope
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people appreciate the job you do of bringing us like
the news that we get from Latin America, as we
just saw Bloomberg the Economist. It's always filtered through like
is this good or bad for rich people in the
United States. And to actually hear what's really going on
from a guy who grew up there and knows the
players is so valuable. This is four from the South, however,
and we've only had three stories. Do you have a
fourth story for us before we close out for this week? Yes,
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this is like a second part of a story that
we already talk about. Is the Panama Panama Papers. Now
they have a new version called the Pandora Papers. Tired
the Panama Papers? Why the Pandora The reason the reason
why they have this name is because Panama complain. Oh really, yeah,
they say, why you call? I mean there's more countries
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involved in this text, heaven like the Panama. Well we are.
The Pandora Papers are a separate batch than the Panama Papers,
right or is it the same just one big ongoing
leak of Yeah, it's like a second part because there's
a lot of like mixed between the Pandora and Panama.
It's just like, yeah, an extension of the same investigation,
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but they changed the name. I mean, come on, Panama,
you're doing these change if you know you don't want
to have that that that fame, please change. You don't
want your country to be blamed for a bunch of papers. Though,
that's not gonna that's not never good, never good. So
now it's Pandora for like the Pandora box and whatever.
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Uh and well, the interesting thing is, like we're already
talk about there's a lot of reached people from all
over the planet. We have Tawny Blair, we have the
King abdu lab Jordan's Prime Minister of Czech Republic. We
have a lot of Jordans was really on the up
and up with all his money. Then I have news
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for you. The Pandora papers reveal he's been stashing it.
Breaking news. Um not, Well, I'm gonna have to throw
away all my chemic Doula's shirts. Well, the thing is
like there's a lot of famous people, and a lot
of famous Latino artists are part of the we have
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we have Shakira okay, cool, she has always been involved
in these shady things. By the way, she already had
like some tax evasion problems, and then she moved her
money to one of the tax heavens. Come on, Shakira,
the Hips on life don't like to your your your
your country tax returns. Be as honest as your hips.
(27:24):
Please please, it's not that hard. Then we have hold
you glyst Yes, I don't know if you know about sure,
of course, great guy, great musician, horrible taxpayer, tax teter uh.
And this is the saddest bar one, one of the
artists more loved in South America. He's kind of like,
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you know, this kind of people who are like Barry
Manilow or something like that, that people just like old
people just love I mean, every mom just love this guy.
And at the same time he is a meme for
the young junior ration that it's kind of ironic consumption.
But at the same time he's a real good artist.
I don't know if there's something someone in that level
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in the US, like a guy who's good but also
appreciated ironically. I don't know, like yeah, maybe well like
Neil Diamond or something like he's a joke, but I
also think he's excellent. Yeah, this is a guy called
Cheyenne um if if if if you guys are listening
to this, and you have access to Google, just look
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for Cheyenne. Is this a super rip off good looking dancer? Uh?
I've always happy, always my league guy um that everyone
in Latin America just love, just because his music has
been out there forever. He's always like, yeah, kind of
shirtless dancing, bringing joy two mothers. Especially first picture of
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him I found, he's like holding up a rose, like
he looks like he's gonna Yeah, he looks like he's
going to take your mom out to dinner. And yeah,
he moms all over the world just off this guy,
and everyone wants to be his son because he's like
the most glue looking, happy guy. And now he's also
involved in this. He's been yes, yes, he's a fan
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of papers Man. I know, I know, And and there's
a lot of memes right now all over Latin America,
people trying to trying to say that he's still a good,
a great person, you know. Right, Well, I'm willing to
wager the Chyenne and Shakira. Well maybe Shakira because she
seems like she's a very astute businesswoman, but I bet
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Cheyenne and Julio Iglesias it's not like they sat down
and schemed to filter their money through Monico. They've got
some business manager or something who is like, don't worry,
We're going to make sure that this is good. And
they're like, whatever, man, I mean, I I feel exactly
the same. I feel. I feel like if there's people
like us that will pay someone to take care of
the money and let me know what happened, and they
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at some point do something like, hey, everyone is doing
this putting the money in tax haven't no one can.
Let's well ever care. Let's not forget by the way,
that the Beatles, one of the greatest artists of all time.
They have a whole song about how mad they are
about paying taxes, Like one of their Rockingness songs is
about like how a bunch of tax they had to pay.
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And by the way, Ringo Star is part of the
Pandora Papers in the list, so he yeah, he took
it far and he was like, you know what, um,
I'm gonna tax I'm gonna work against the tax man,
and uh yeah, Ringo is part of the list. But yeah, well,
everyone in Latin America is just discussing about how we're
going to be able to still love Cheyenne after this,
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Pandora papers, I'm gonna forgive him. I look at Cheyenn's face,
and I think this is not a malicious man. He
just he just did what he was told, and you know,
he wanted to preserve his wealth. And I don't know
how mad can I be now the president of a
country or something? That seems a little wronger because you're
you're the guy who's supposed to be making sure the
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country runs. You can't be sending your money to South
Dakota and Monaco. Yeah, you're the one telling is Bay
your taxes, you know. So, yeah, that's not that's not great.
By the way, I knew it's some Beatles enthusiasts, as
I am, fab I've read a lot of literature about
the Beatles, and I've gotten into a particular subspecialty, which
is like the business disputes of the Beatles. There's several
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books about this, and it's shocking how much of the
Beatles decision making and emotions were tied into tax problems.
Business problems like the whole founding of Apple Records was
just to like deal with the tax burden they were
facing that like in their days, of touring. When they
were up and coming band, they started making tons and
tons of money, and the tax rate in the UK
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at the time was like so they quickly were in
a pretty actually pretty precarious financial situation where they like
owed so much money that they were shocked, you know.
They like they thought they were making millions of dollars
and they were in a way, but they owed most
of it to the UK government, and then they would
move to different places and set things up, and by
the end of the Beatles spent so much more time
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on business meetings and financial arrangements than they did on
being the Beatles. So maybe we should support the Panama
papers for the Pandora papers for artists only. Yeah, I
think you I agree. I think we should like let
the artists and because we know, once again it's like
maybe they don't even know how much money they have,
um be part of these schemes. Let's let's stick him
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out of the of the of the equation, you know,
let's go for p let's go for all these shady
let's focus on King and Princess, the princes of Monica. Well,
this has been another profoundly interesting episode. I think before
from the South. Look, I don't want to toot my
own horn, but I think that we continue to approach
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our goal of being the best English language podcast about
news and current events and entertainment from big Latin America.
And that's all thanks to you, fab Thank you so
much for educating us here in the United States, and
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It's welcome back in Benito to Four from the South,
our show where my friend Fabrizio Capano helped me go
(00:25):
through four of the biggest stories from Big Latin America. Fab,
how are you doing today? I'm great. I'm still in
here in Gualadajara, Mexico, so I'm I mean, I'm feeling
all this stories in a more personal way. You're feeling
the deepness of the Latin America in the mountains of Guadalajara.
It's in the mountains, right, Guadalajara kind of there's mountains around. Yeah,
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we can say that there's mountains, trust me. Okay, We've
got four good stories for you today. We're going to
talk about a libertarian who is likely to get elected
to argent Tina's legislative body. We're going to talk about
Bolivia and the amazing number of dinosaurs that remain to
be discovered there. We're going to resume our conversation about
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the Pandora papers. Fab has some new details on the
various people who are hiding money all over the world.
And then we're going to talk about your homeland, Chile.
Frequent topic here on four from the South because Wall
Street is getting nervous about the potential new president of
Chile and you've got some firsthand information. We're gonna save
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that one for last. I'm going to start us off
fab with a story I found once again in The Economist.
That's like my go to place for stories of Latin
America because a good thing about The Economist is there
takes on what's going on in Latin America are usually
kind of skeptical and upset because The Economist is a
very stodgy English magazine for rich people. But here the
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story debates in Latin Americas, people say, like, well, in economies,
they're saying that our countries mean blah blah blah, and yes,
I was like a legite source of information and I
was like, oh, I've never I've never heard of a
magazine like more arrogant than the Economists. They'll straight up
like say what what the They're like, boy, Brazil really
(02:16):
needs to do this, or like and it's just some
guys in England, But what do they know? They don't
know what's if Brazil doesn't turn this around, big trouble anyway,
They really don't, it seems to me reading between the
lines of their article headlined Javier Milay, a libertarian maybe
elected to Argentina's Congress. Here's their description first paragraph, long
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Live liberty, God damnit, proclaimed Javier Malay, a fifty year
old economist, at a meeting of comic book aficionados in
Buenos Aires. In the article goes on Javier Malay dressed
as General and Cap, a character he invented. Who's the
fictional leader of lieber Land, a plot of land covering
seven square kilometers, an imaginary land team eight up um,
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but he's come to kick Keynesians and collectivists in the ass.
He's here, he's got through the first round of voting
in um Buenos Aires, where he's running and uh, he's
probably going to get a seat in Congress. So reading
the article, this guy, he's a libertarian, he's fifty years old.
He says that he's never combed his hair, or since
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he was thirteen years old, he's never combed his hair,
and apparently he gets a lot of press, uh and mileage.
One of his allies is a woman named Lilia Lemoyne,
a cost player who is over a hundred thousand followers
on Instagram, and she's this guy's makeup artist. That's interesting.
Let's we'll come back to that. And she promotes his
ideas occasionally by posting raunchy selfies wearing t shirts with
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such slogans as free market and private Property. I went
over to check out Lilia LeMoyne's Instagram. It wasn't as raunchy,
like the economist standard for raunchy is pretty low, unfortunately,
I mean Lily Lemoyne. It's mostly like pictures of herself,
but they're not too raunchy. But she does everywhere have
a slogan um la la panguin lost Capitalistas. I botched that,
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I'm sure, fab, but you get what I'm trying to say,
Let the capitalists pay for the crisis. That's the shirt.
And it's like, yeah, she's she's like wearing I think
I saw this. She's like wearing a very tight shirt.
Yeah you for for mail and the audience that she's
reaching out. Clearly that's well, I mean, a good way
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to get the message to you know, it's working for
the guys. But I think this we're speaking to a
larger issue here. There's something going on with costplay and Instagram.
These things are in politics. White costplay is so close
to fascism that's why. Why why? Well, I thought it
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was interesting, like yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry, no, just
maybe because of these people really want to live in
a fiction and they oldest fiction are based in like
worlds where like there's a villain that he is a
strong oppressor and so they one part of that adventure.
In real life, yes, comic book thinking is a little fascist.
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There's good and bad, there's evil tyrants. There's a guy
who's yeah, and he and the hero is perfectly justified
to use violence against his opponents because they're so bad.
I mean, they're the green Goblin, you know, like who
doesn't want to use Batman Batmans? It reached dude that
it's just like instead of training, n G, he just
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go and attack for people who are the same tire criminals.
That's a great point. Isn't Bruce Wayne a capitalist? Shouldn't
he be paying for the crisis instead of going around
beating people up and fighting Baine and the children he
haves some I mean, I'm sure he's in the Pandora papers.
I'm sure he's like in a text heaven, you know,
he's not paying. If Batman were true, like if we
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were accurate to real life, most is Shoes would be
about Bruce Wayne sitting down with his accountant and working
out how, okay, we need to put this in a
deferred account because otherwise it's going to be four and
Bruce is gonna high understand, Yeah okay, and we'll put
that will cycle it through an offshore corporation in the
Cayman Islands, but that doesn't sell comic books nor movies,
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so they usually cut that part out. At the same time,
I have to say, this is not only a thing
that is going on in the in the right wing, uh,
the left is also have some cost players in Chile
that they are actually in the convention writing the new constitution.
We already discussed a couple of episodes ago about the
tap Cachuy. Yeah, and she's always surrounded by two dinosaurs,
(06:47):
two guys dressed as dinosaurs. They're also one of them
writing the constitution. So it's like pick at you and
the dinosaur at the Velasi raptor. They're both going to
sign the new Constitution of Chile. Okay. So the United States,
the Constitution was written by like Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin,
James Madison. In Chile, the constitutions being written by Aunt
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Pikachu in the Two Dinosaurs. But those people are not
cost players. Also in a way, they were waiting weights,
there were powdered wigs. They were absolutely cost players. That's
a great point. And by the way, like you know
the U. S Constitution, I think it was pretty good,
but we did have a civil war that killed a
lot of people. There's a fight over it about every day,
you know, like we it's not like it's a perfect document.
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Let's not praise ourselves too much. Why not let tir
Pikachu in The Dinosaurs have their chance exactly? And once
again he's like I remember doing the riots and Chile
into those in nineteen all over like a ton of
characters like superhero characters and show up in the streets
like a Pattyman, a guy with a stop sign who
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was like kind of kind of an Avenger, was kind
of like a Captain American using the stop sign as
a shield. There was like another guy who's a commen.
It was like based on a plant from this how
it was like the swamp thing, but just a guy
dresses the plant. I don't know. I have to say
there's something about current politics that people wanted to be
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more like fan fiction. Yes, yes, and and even here
in the US, you know people that are really into
AOC or like the you know, the kind of superheroification
of politicians. I don't think this happens. I don't remember.
I wasn't paying that much attention in the eighties. But
I don't think people were like, yes, Bill Clinton, He's
my superhero, or like George H. W. Bush go cut
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on the Boss Girl. That wasn't happening. We knew these
people were boring functionaries, and it was. But also like
I was thinking about, like doing the like the people
who stormed with the capital. There was a guy in character.
It was like a Star Wars character in a way. Yes, yeah,
(08:58):
I feel like I saw that guy. And then there
was the Shawan in with the big He was, you know,
the guy with the weird It looked like Fred flint
Stone when he's in the Buffalo Lodge or whatever. What
we're going to do about this. It's like maybe at
some point we're going to have a president of a
country or of the United They actually is a character.
He's just like I think he's not even using his name.
You know, I hadn't put this together, but like yeah,
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well we'll have yes, super Machismo president a guy something
like that. But the rise of comic book movies, I mean,
Comic Con here in San Diego before the pandemic was
the biggest craziest gathering of human beings I've ever been
present for, just hundreds of thousands of people, and to
gather in San Diego dressed as people to see previews
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or comic book movies whatever. And if you're getting people together,
you're in politics. That's what politics is, right, And so
I think I didn't see it coming, But isn't it
natural enough that like cosplay, comic book culture, that that's
now seemed it's one of the biggest changes in my lifetime,
gone from a friend thing that like you were a
nerd to be into that into the by far the
(10:04):
biggest entertainment product in the world. Well maybe maybe not
ahead of like sports or something, but huge. And number one,
I know, I'm glad doctor right here and there. But
when the sports take over, I don't know, Oh no, yeah, no,
I mean just for our audience, try to imagine this
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or remember these pictures of Hitler giving a speech and
you see all of these humans, you know, dress in
army uniforms listening to him. There's not that much of
a difference about Comic Con panel. There's not that much
of the difference. And that even that was a form
of costplay, right, these guys are dressing, they're doing pageantry.
So a worrisome development. We're going to keep an eye
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on it here and four from the South, but it
cannot be ignored at this point that costplay and costume
re is becoming an increasing part of politics. I mean,
it's just it's just like, just to finish this story.
I just remember there's a classic story about pinot Chet
during his first photoshoot, you know, when he became the dictator.
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They were like, okay, we're gonna take a picture with
the new government, you know, all these dark, horrible humans
right behind him. He was in front, and he stopped
the picture. He's like, wait, bring me my sunglasses. So
his first official picture as dictator, he's wearing sunglasses because
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he wanted to create the character of the evil guy
who can destroy you if you're against him, and he
didn't want to That's spooky, man, I don't like that.
That's cosplaying. You know. Well, let's let's move on to
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a little more cheerful story. I think again we turned
to the economy. But this has been a story. I've
seen this in other places too. Dinosaur bones, there were
tons of them, There are lots of We were fairly
certain that there are lots of dinosaur bones in Bolivia,
and the question is like, what are we gonna do
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to get them? Bolivia like a lot of there's been
a lot of dinosaurs. They used to walk around, uh, Bolivia, Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil.
This was a dinosaurs are going to and from and
they found a lot of dinosaur footprints in Bolivia. But
they haven't found that many dinosaur bones. And part of
the reason is the geology of Bolivia. It's accordion like
folds of rock and stuff over time. But part of
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it is they don't have the money. They don't have
the infrastructure, they don't have the roads to go to
these places, they don't have the guys going out. There
have so many other problems to fix to start digging
for dinosaur bones. Imagine being like I'm gonna spend my
day digging for dinosaur bones. It's like we don't have
clean water, man, Like, maybe you could help us. I'll
be so angry. I'll be angry if you guys are
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you know I we still don't have houses here. Can
you please fix that before you start digging for bones?
Well that was kind of a question. I was like,
should we Is this something we should prioritize? Could this
be good for Bolivia? Or dinosaur bones a sort of
a form of natural resource that we could get after?
Kids love dinosaurs, I mean kids love dinosaurs. There's a
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tourism thing and uh it makes sense in a way,
but I think we need like international capitals to like
just you know, take the bones out of the ground
and uh pe Well great if this company is starting
like helping uh this kind of I mean activism, dinosaur activism. Um,
I don't know. I feel like the government of Bolivia
(13:46):
by itself shouldn't be paying attention to do this that much.
And it's okay, No, they have their own problems. I
was reading about coke in the cocon market in Lapause
they're having massive riots of people who are opposed to
versus people who are supporting the government. Minute this is
centered on the coca leaf. Uh. The coca leaf a
common product in Bolivia. People chew it and they make
(14:06):
tease out of it and stuff. It's not just for cocaine,
but the coca farmers are rioting big problems in Bolivia.
Dinosaurs from million years ago not the number one priority. However,
I was wondering, like they quoted a number twenty thousand dollars.
For twenty thousand dollars, we could dig up a lot
of dinosaur bones in Bolivia, And I was like, is
that should we start? I don't want to commit for
(14:28):
from the South to raising money for Bolivian dinosaur extraction.
Should we think of maybe maybe they can name one
dinosaur Steve Healely, I mean with the money. You know,
if we had a dinosaur called for from the South,
would that help the podcast? Would that put us on
I don't know. I don't know. People like these jerks
(14:48):
all the problems in Bolivia. These jerks are going around
doing dinosaur bones. But then of course, thinking like that,
we won't do anything. You know, we'll get some attention,
that's for sure. Like now just another discretion. But like
I was said, believe you when I was a kid,
and you know that I believe you. Is very it's
very the altitude, it's it's very high. So I was
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a kid with asthma and I wasn't able to breathe.
So my mom, I want to get um tea like
cocat tea with the coca leaves. But she came back
and she was like, I brought you cocaine. Okay. She
she felt like the leave was called cocaine, not like
the whole process. But she was fine. She's like, you
(15:30):
might need some cocaine. Yeah, she was like, son, you're
not able to breathe. Do you need some cocaine to
get better? So do the trick didn't help you out.
I mean, I'm a white since that day happen. The
coca leaf in Chile is coca leaf? Like? Is that
a part of life? Do people drink coca tea? Do they? No?
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It's not in Chile. No, No, we don't have that.
Now we don't have my day either. I mean we yeah,
we need we need to work on that. What do
you guys have as like your top every day? Pick
me up? You know? What's what's said about this is
like or thing was avocado toast. That was the Chilean
thing to do every morning, avocado toast. It was not
(16:14):
a big deal. It was not a thing. It was
like everyday meal and now it's it's expensive. It's weird.
They put more topics than they need to put. I
don't know. You can you still get a cheap avocado
toast in Chile or has the hipster market for the
avocado ruined it? Yeah, the hipster market for our avocado
kind of make it now a more expensive thing. And yeah,
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I mean everything, everything and everything. It does seem a
bit like Chile is a somewhat hipster country. Is that wrong?
I don't know. I think I think they've been trying
to push that then already from Chile. I think there's
a lot of people would wanted to Chile it to be.
And we have some um highlights like I don't know
a was the name of this guy, um an oil
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Oi to Chile for a year. You know, we have
we have our things or hipster moment. You've got your
guys from Chile hipsters like him. Um, it's kind of
it seems like somewhat laid back culture. There's not a
ton of focus on like achievements. That's kind of a
hipster thing. And maybe we'll get a hipster president. Maybe
(17:24):
let's talk about that. Is that our story number three,
the hipster possible hipster president of Chile, take it away.
So um. During two thousand eleven, there was huge riots
in Chile about education. It was the first moment of
like the the Chilean stability started getting uh little bit complicated.
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So there was this group of students who started you know,
taking universities and like even speeches about like changing the
way that that private education was was run. And one
of them was this guy called Gabriel bored each so
reached the guy from Marga is a guy from the south,
from like the last part of Chile, and he during
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that those years started getting some attention. Then a couple
of years later he and big part of that group
got some seats on Congress. So he became a congressman,
and he started, yeah, becoming very famous and really well known,
really young. Uh So then during this year of election,
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because the election cycle started, I don't know, uh maybe
half year last year, he was they needed his his group,
he's he's the white front group. They needed a candidate.
They were like, we don't. He's our front man. We
got a band, but we need a front man. We
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need a front man. And he was like okay, I'll
do it. I don't want to do it, I don't
feel ready to do it, but I'll do it. Because
he was doing a emory with the Communist Party of
Chile that had this guy called Hardway that was doing
great in the polls. He was like killing it, you know.
And after the riots of two thousand and eighteen, and
it was like, of course now people want some big
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revolution and like a communist president and like wholla what
and uh he like he won, he won, I mean
the Boridge one to this guy. He defeated the Communist
and it was like what the hell? And he got
a million votes literally one point something million votes, and
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he yeah, now it's like, oh, this is this is
becoming real. Uh. In six months he started like getting
signatures online to be in the in the in in
the ticket. And now he's number one. He's number one
in every single poll, is beating the polls. Yeah. And
and there right is having a lot of troubles because
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they have a candidate that is not working well. So
this extreme right candidate is rising. This guy cast so
the fighting vote to vote while he's like running by
himself kind of okay, So he's he's he had a
big chance. And he's thirty five, probably he'll be thirty
six when he became president. Is really young, and uh,
(20:22):
I don't know. I think it's uh, it's crazy that
a thirty five or thirty six you are running, you're
the president of the country, and you know this guy
has that right. You've met this dude, I know for
a long time because during the two thousand and eleven
um college situation, I I was supporting the students, uh,
(20:44):
doing shows and comedy in different college, you know, in
in in Chile, and it was great. And I met
him a couple of times then, and I I know
him after that. I see him a couple of times later.
He's a great Yeah. Yeah, I think he's going to
do a good job. It's just like it's still gonna
be so hard. I don't know, it's crazy. So many
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things are going to go back in the next couple
of years, and he's gonna be like, I'm thirty six.
I don't know. Well, I thought that this story that
was a great version of this story. If you weren't
getting a firsthand account and you were reading, say Bloomberg,
you might have come across this same story with the
following headline, left wing rage threatens a Wall Street haven
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in Latin America. That's a little different spin on the
exact same story you just told me, because Bloomberg is like,
Chili used to be this chill country where you can
invest your money and make a lot of money. And
now we got this guy Boris and he's gonna mess
everything up, and UH Bank of America saying don't send
your money there, and they're gonna shut down the copper mines.
So what's going on? It sounds like it sounds to
me like Boris is. If I'm a Wall Street guy
(21:53):
and all I care about is Chili as a as
a Chile is a way to increase my profits, I
think I'd rather have Boris than a commune. I mean,
maybe I'd rather have a right wing guy, But it
seems like yeah, And I think they tried to paint
him as a radical and he's not as radicals like
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people think he is. I think they like, once again,
he's not going to be able to change a lot
of like the big things, because he's gonna be fighting
with so many new stuff that it's going to be
current day problems that I think. I mean, I don't know.
I don't I'm not an expert, but I feel it's
not going to be how scary that they painted in Bloomberg.
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And by the way, on the other side, they have
an extremist um conservative guy that I think if he won,
that there's a chance of that. Of course, Uh, it's
gonna be more riots. People are gonna be more angry.
I think this guy, people gonna be like, okay, were
now we are in government again. We try, we kind
of we're going to be able to figure out what
to do next, right, working towards a solution. Um. I thought.
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Here was the detail that I thought was interesting, is
so Borich has some tattoos, right, He has a tattoo,
at least one tattoo of a lighthouse symbolizing his home
in the south of Chile, which, you know, because everything's flipped,
it's like being up in Seattle, or like northern Canada.
It's like the ends of the earth in the south,
cold and whatever. But the other candidate also has tattoos, right,
(23:19):
the right wing guy. According to Bloomer. So, I was like,
is this the first time that there's been a major
country having an election where the two leading candidates both
have tattoos. Yeah, and I think at the same time
they showed it to choose a lot in the campaign.
It sounds like they have and they're like always wearing
lunch shirt sleeve shirts, not really like there's that guy
(23:42):
he's like this, like this and he haves like a
bird or something in his arm. Wow. So maybe now
people want more more to choose more votes. Yeah, and
I have either has either candidate considered like getting a
tattoo of like, you know, if if is this for
the United States, they might get a tattoo of like
the swing state they might get Hey, look North Carolina.
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I got a tattoo. I hope to win North Carolina.
I'm committed here. Is there any strategic tattooing that could happen?
I hope. I hope someone is thinking that's strategy. But
I think that they When we never will know is
when the world will be ready for a face that
too president. Wow, that's coming, that's coming. We're gonna have
(24:26):
a costplay against a face tattoo that will happen in
our lifetime. I think, Okay, fat that was awesome. You're
you're do you do such a wonderful job. I hope
(24:47):
people appreciate the job you do of bringing us like
the news that we get from Latin America, as we
just saw Bloomberg the Economist. It's always filtered through like
is this good or bad for rich people in the
United States. And to actually hear what's really going on
from a guy who grew up there and knows the
players is so valuable. This is four from the South, however,
and we've only had three stories. Do you have a
fourth story for us before we close out for this week? Yes,
(25:11):
this is like a second part of a story that
we already talk about. Is the Panama Panama Papers. Now
they have a new version called the Pandora Papers. Tired
the Panama Papers? Why the Pandora The reason the reason
why they have this name is because Panama complain. Oh really, yeah,
they say, why you call? I mean there's more countries
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involved in this text, heaven like the Panama. Well we are.
The Pandora Papers are a separate batch than the Panama Papers,
right or is it the same just one big ongoing
leak of Yeah, it's like a second part because there's
a lot of like mixed between the Pandora and Panama.
It's just like, yeah, an extension of the same investigation,
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but they changed the name. I mean, come on, Panama,
you're doing these change if you know you don't want
to have that that that fame, please change. You don't
want your country to be blamed for a bunch of papers. Though,
that's not gonna that's not never good, never good. So
now it's Pandora for like the Pandora box and whatever.
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Uh and well, the interesting thing is, like we're already
talk about there's a lot of reached people from all
over the planet. We have Tawny Blair, we have the
King abdu lab Jordan's Prime Minister of Czech Republic. We
have a lot of Jordans was really on the up
and up with all his money. Then I have news
(26:37):
for you. The Pandora papers reveal he's been stashing it.
Breaking news. Um not, Well, I'm gonna have to throw
away all my chemic Doula's shirts. Well, the thing is
like there's a lot of famous people, and a lot
of famous Latino artists are part of the we have
(27:02):
we have Shakira okay, cool, she has always been involved
in these shady things. By the way, she already had
like some tax evasion problems, and then she moved her
money to one of the tax heavens. Come on, Shakira,
the Hips on life don't like to your your your
your country tax returns. Be as honest as your hips.
(27:24):
Please please, it's not that hard. Then we have hold
you glyst Yes, I don't know if you know about sure,
of course, great guy, great musician, horrible taxpayer, tax teter uh.
And this is the saddest bar one, one of the
artists more loved in South America. He's kind of like,
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you know, this kind of people who are like Barry
Manilow or something like that, that people just like old
people just love I mean, every mom just love this guy.
And at the same time he is a meme for
the young junior ration that it's kind of ironic consumption.
But at the same time he's a real good artist.
I don't know if there's something someone in that level
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in the US, like a guy who's good but also
appreciated ironically. I don't know, like yeah, maybe well like
Neil Diamond or something like he's a joke, but I
also think he's excellent. Yeah, this is a guy called
Cheyenne um if if if if you guys are listening
to this, and you have access to Google, just look
(28:31):
for Cheyenne. Is this a super rip off good looking dancer? Uh?
I've always happy, always my league guy um that everyone
in Latin America just love, just because his music has
been out there forever. He's always like, yeah, kind of
shirtless dancing, bringing joy two mothers. Especially first picture of
(28:56):
him I found, he's like holding up a rose, like
he looks like he's gonna Yeah, he looks like he's
going to take your mom out to dinner. And yeah,
he moms all over the world just off this guy,
and everyone wants to be his son because he's like
the most glue looking, happy guy. And now he's also
involved in this. He's been yes, yes, he's a fan
(29:19):
of papers Man. I know, I know, And and there's
a lot of memes right now all over Latin America,
people trying to trying to say that he's still a good,
a great person, you know. Right, Well, I'm willing to
wager the Chyenne and Shakira. Well maybe Shakira because she
seems like she's a very astute businesswoman, but I bet
(29:40):
Cheyenne and Julio Iglesias it's not like they sat down
and schemed to filter their money through Monico. They've got
some business manager or something who is like, don't worry,
We're going to make sure that this is good. And
they're like, whatever, man, I mean, I I feel exactly
the same. I feel. I feel like if there's people
like us that will pay someone to take care of
the money and let me know what happened, and they
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at some point do something like, hey, everyone is doing
this putting the money in tax haven't no one can.
Let's well ever care. Let's not forget by the way,
that the Beatles, one of the greatest artists of all time.
They have a whole song about how mad they are
about paying taxes, Like one of their Rockingness songs is
about like how a bunch of tax they had to pay.
(30:24):
And by the way, Ringo Star is part of the
Pandora Papers in the list, so he yeah, he took
it far and he was like, you know what, um,
I'm gonna tax I'm gonna work against the tax man,
and uh yeah, Ringo is part of the list. But yeah, well,
everyone in Latin America is just discussing about how we're
going to be able to still love Cheyenne after this,
(30:48):
Pandora papers, I'm gonna forgive him. I look at Cheyenn's face,
and I think this is not a malicious man. He
just he just did what he was told, and you know,
he wanted to preserve his wealth. And I don't know
how mad can I be now the president of a
country or something? That seems a little wronger because you're
you're the guy who's supposed to be making sure the
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country runs. You can't be sending your money to South
Dakota and Monaco. Yeah, you're the one telling is Bay
your taxes, you know. So, yeah, that's not that's not great.
By the way, I knew it's some Beatles enthusiasts, as
I am, fab I've read a lot of literature about
the Beatles, and I've gotten into a particular subspecialty, which
is like the business disputes of the Beatles. There's several
(31:30):
books about this, and it's shocking how much of the
Beatles decision making and emotions were tied into tax problems.
Business problems like the whole founding of Apple Records was
just to like deal with the tax burden they were
facing that like in their days, of touring. When they
were up and coming band, they started making tons and
tons of money, and the tax rate in the UK
(31:52):
at the time was like so they quickly were in
a pretty actually pretty precarious financial situation where they like
owed so much money that they were shocked, you know.
They like they thought they were making millions of dollars
and they were in a way, but they owed most
of it to the UK government, and then they would
move to different places and set things up, and by
the end of the Beatles spent so much more time
(32:14):
on business meetings and financial arrangements than they did on
being the Beatles. So maybe we should support the Panama
papers for the Pandora papers for artists only. Yeah, I
think you I agree. I think we should like let
the artists and because we know, once again it's like
maybe they don't even know how much money they have,
um be part of these schemes. Let's let's stick him
(32:37):
out of the of the of the equation, you know,
let's go for p let's go for all these shady
let's focus on King and Princess, the princes of Monica. Well,
this has been another profoundly interesting episode. I think before
from the South. Look, I don't want to toot my
own horn, but I think that we continue to approach
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our goal of being the best English language podcast about
news and current events and entertainment from big Latin America.
And that's all thanks to you, fab Thank you so
much for educating us here in the United States, and
um to the listeners. Hit us up on Twitter and
Gmail for From the South and that's it, Thank you guys,
good Bye. Four From the South is hosted by Me,
(33:20):
Steve Healey, and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is our producer.
Original theme song by Amy Stolsenbach. For From the South
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