This week on 4 from the South, Steve and Fab talk about African swine flu: a new threat to the Caribbean, Brazil's nuclear ambitions, what the Pandora Papers mean for the region, and the beef between two iconic reggaeton artists.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
We are back. I am Steve Healey. I'm here with
my good friend Fabrizio Capano. Fab How are you doing?
But hello, I'm I'm here. I'm I'm based in Latin
America right now. What are of Mexico? City of books
and mountains? That's my impression, right, it's kind of an
intellectual a lot of bookstores, yes, and get very gay friendly.
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It's a very gay friendly town. Okay, that's good to know. Um,
what else do I need to know about it? How's
the food is very moderate? Is the food is amazing?
It's just like everywhere you go, it's the simplest place,
have better food than anywhere in the world. That's insane
about Mexico. That's incredible. Oh yeah, it's way. I do
(01:04):
want to talk about Guadalajara, but we have to set
up on the top of our show. We'd like to say,
we'd like to promise people what we're going to deliver.
We on this show you get four stories. The four
stories are gonna are from Greater Latin America. This week
we're going to talk about African swine flew, a danger
already appearing in the Caribbean, hopefully not coming here. We're
gonna talk about Brazil potentially acquiring a nuclear submarine, which
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if you have questions, I'm with you because I want
to know more about that. Then we're gonna talk about
something called the Pandora Papers. You're gonna tell us about
the Pandora papers. Sounds bad? It is really bad when
Pandora opens. Not a good idea. What's our fourth do
we have a fourth story? What's the last thing? Yeah,
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we have the reggaeton wars that are happening right now
between Ja Valving and Residente. Uh, there's a whole mess
will need to be discussed. Yeah, we need to discuss
about who is it real artists in the reggative world. Oh,
I've been wondering that myself and I'd like to get
in on that topic. I want to say a special welcome,
by the way, to our listeners from who came to
(02:10):
us from POUG. I've been hearing word on the street
is that they advertise for from the South fab on
this podcast. POUG hosted by Cape ber Land and Jacqueline Novak.
A fantastic podcast by two absolute superstars of comedy. And
it was an honor to me to have several people
come up and say, hey, man, I've heard I've been
meaning to listen to your podcast because I heard it
advertised on POUG Interesting. Thank you, Welcome guys, Welcome everyone
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that is part of this community now, and everyone is.
I think that we're getting somewhere. This is episode nine.
I like to say, no one has a podcast until
they're at episode ten. So we're getting there. But I
think we're we have a real shot at being the
best English language podcast about greater Latin America. What do
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you think? I mean, absolutely like the news we're gonna
talk tonight, I mean today is it kind of information
that you're not going to get for anywhere else? You know,
no one else is talking about this, so this is
the only place to certainly no one else is talking
about it, with the same combination of a little bit
of information, a lot of wonder and curiosity, uh absurdist
(03:20):
sense of the world, plus like um, a lot of
ignorance that also hopefully matches the listeners own and creates
a special effect. This isn't like the BBC giving you
the full details. This is some guys telling you a
few things they picked up that they they're still pondering. Yeah, yeah,
and well, we should start right now because I think
we have great stories this week. Let's raise through it.
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I'll start with the worst story we have, which is
African swine flu. Fab it's coming. There's African swine flu
is a really bad disease that kills pigs. It hasn't
been seen in North America I think for about forty years,
maybe thirty nine years. But when it comes, it's bad.
A lot of pigs get it and have to be
put down, and it's just bad news for the pork
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and pig industry. And it has reached the Dominican Republic,
and the US has been scouring. There's guys and has
matt suits on the beach in Puerto Rico. Because if
Dominican Dominican migrants have been coming over and if they
have a pig, or if they've been near a pig,
or if they have some muck on their shoes that
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has been near and infected African swine flu pig, We're
gonna have a big problem. How does this hit you?
What are we thinking the pig? I think I honored
it Almo. In much of Latin America, yeah, we love pigs.
Pigs are great. But in this particular case scenario. I'm like,
does it happen before swine flu was not a radio
kind of like a big deal that then ended up
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being not that big. Yeah, I think it's we do
hear about every yeah. Yeah, And because like every new
illness is like you have to shut down the world
to make me scare you know this, Yeah, you can't
be like a flu, a new flu. Now you have
to be really really scary too for me to pay attention.
(05:05):
That is just like reaching that level. That was my
first reaction to is like, I feel like I've heard
this one before and I'm just not that scared about it.
And then they had I was reading about it in
the Economist magazine. They had a bunch of scary quotes
from uh swine flu researchers who are like, if one
pig gets this, game over And then I was a
little bit. I was like, maybe it's time to stop
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eating pigs. I've been working on that in my own life.
And the pig is an animal that has been shown
to have some intelligence. A lot of religions already that
they're not to both Islam and Judaism, to the world's
oldest and we have to say, most successful religions they
rule out eating pigs. Could it be there onto something? Yeah,
I think they into something, especially after watching the movie
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Babe An Oak Cha. That was another pro several pro
pig movies out there, Charlotte's propaganda out there. I think
that's pigs using their intelligence to sort of influence human
human authors, and that the message of pigs being kind
of smart comes through a lot um. I I think
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once again it's like we we need more to really
be scared of this flu uh and and and once again,
this is the same what happened with GOVID. At the beginning.
I was like, it's all the waing wuhan is not
going to happen. But I need I need more info
to be to be worried about these pigs. Sorry, some
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of you guys are listening, probably, but I need more
to psers. We we wish you well, we don't want
you to get swine flu. Just weird. We're We're worried
that the humans are overhyping in a little bit. I
think part of the problem too, is like when they're
talking about pigs wine flu, they're like, well, most pigs
that are being raised for eating are like in a
box that's like smaller than the pig itself, is next
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to ten dollars and other pigs. So like, if one
pig gets it, I do think it will like get
to every pig. Yeah, and and you're right. I mean
the problem here is like, well someone can say, like, oh, well,
but well be eating pigs since forever and like that's
how humans, you know, live and whatever, but like it's
not designed to living like a cage with three thousand
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other pigs right next to each It's just like it
is out of control. You're doing this. It's absurd if
you have a pig yourself and you think it's come
time for you to eat it, and that's right with you. Look,
it seems tough to kill the pig that you have raised,
but I can't judge you for that. But the pigs
you're getting are coming from like truly monstrous facilities, right,
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it's not yeah, it's not it's hard, just beautiful. No,
this is not Charcotte's Web, This is not Babe. No,
it's actually maybe these movies are sort of problem. Maybe
they're actually they disguise themselves as pro pig propaganda, but
they're actually propaganda about how the pigs have wonderful lives
and they have a farmer that loves them and it's great.
So they're pretending to be like, don't eat pigs, but
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they're actually like, pigs are fine, it's good. And in
those movies there's a lot of like, oh, they're gonna
they're gonna kill a pig, but one pig. There's like,
we're gonna eat a pig tonight, so we're gonna pick
up which pick is like one? And like no, they're
killing thousands every hour. It's just like a machine that
he's killing pigs every single minute. You know what this
is bumming me out. Let's move off of pigs. Let's
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let's say here that we like pigs, we root for pigs,
we support them, and we hope that swine flu stays
away from us. So somewhat it sounds like almost a
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punch line to a joke in a way. Brazilian nuclear submarine.
The Brazilians, I learned this in The Economist as well,
are coming very close to having a nuclear submarine. And
good question might be why well they have this guy Bolsonaro,
it's a frequent character in this show. Um that of
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course he wanted to be. I think he's like, I mean,
it's kind of weird right now, having these guys who
wanted to be dictators, but they don't go full speed dictator.
You know, the lazy dictator. Yeah, the lazy dictator. Maybe
they don't want to be uh ruthless as like they
want to be jerks, you know, you want to be
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it's the jerk tators are taking over the world because
when you think about a dictator, you have a guy
who's like, I'm a criminal, I am doing these horrible things.
I'm in power. I'm gonna get nuclear power because I'm
just gonna destroy other players. You know, everyone should be
scared of me. But now you guys are like, no,
I'm a democrat. I love democracy. I want things to work.
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But you know what, no, no, no loss for transgender people, well,
no help for immigrants. Uh. And nuclear power just to
like kind of feel but not even with it, just
to have it, not even to like do anything with it, right,
Like what Brazil is not going to send their nuclear
submarine to go attack China. By the way, I feel
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like nuclear submarine. The name is often confusing because a
lot of US submarines that are nuclear powered also have
nuclear weapons on them. They're like, so if you destroy
the US, these subs are still It's like a don't
even mess with us, because even if you destroy the
whole US will still these submarines that are gonna blow
you up. But really we're talking about a submarine powered
by a nuclear generator, which I guess is a good
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way to run a submarine. And Brazil sort of wants
to get to nuclear power in general because right now
they would have to if they wanted to build a
nuclear power plant or something, they have to hire like
France or the U S or some country that's already
cracked that one. The problem here is like who's who's
gonna go at the war? What kind of war Brazil
is gonna? Like? We who? Great question, and that's gonna
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be waged underwater once again. He's like, I think it's
just like the jerk mindset more than the strategist. You know,
there's no strategy behind this is just like we can
do it, let's do it. Yeah, I mean, who cares
about like going into a war with Brazil. You're really
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onto something fab with the jerk the jerk tator concept,
because it does seem like Okay, the classic image of
the dictators like a guy who's a maniac and he's
killed people and yeah, he's gone past some boundary. He
doesn't even care about right or wrong, but he has
at least might have a vision or something, even if
the vision is just statutes of himself and himself in charge.
But bull Snaro, this guy in El Salvador, they're just
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like they're like just the worst boss you've ever had.
They're obnoxious, they selfish, they come up with stupid ideas
that don't help anybody. Yeah, the horrible post dictator. It's
it's but he once again, he's like, at least with
like the old fashioned dictator, you will be able to
like just go hate hate them. And you know they
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were like, oh these you know, Stalin, Mussolini, Peanut Chid,
you put in the same bag. But now it's just
like the dudes doing stupid shit and well, I mean
they're gonna have a place in history, but it's not
going to be like that, you know that, right, Like
Saddam Hussein, It's like, I've never had a boss that maybe,
if I were being really exaggeratory, I might compare a
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boss to Saddam Hussein. But really like the bad bosses
I've had have not been on that level. He's on
another level. But Bull Sinaro Trump, the fellow in El
Salvador Uh Bookele, who we've talked about several times. These
guys seem like, sure, I could picture this guy running
a car dealership and it just sucking sucks. He makes
everybody feel terrible. He insults you. He bought himself a
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helicopter for no reason. They wasted all our money. The
company is going bankrupt, he is laying people off. It
just it sucks. And and once again it's like they
both both Bothsonaro and Trump right now they kind of like,
um have a like flirting relationship with a coup but
not really like putting a cool in place. They don't
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have them because that yeah, and they're both like they
both like having the same It was like, you guys,
if you want to do it, just do it for me.
But I'm not going to actively work on this. Just
like if you guys are angry, just go with it,
run with it. Don't call me into his own don't
don't tell me and get me in on the details. Okay,
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I'm not part of this. Just do it for me
and call me when he's done. But yeah, I mean,
once again we need all fashion dictators to make a comback. No,
not really, but yeah, I think those guys are unless
have like some horrible mindset very clearly, you know, just
the script a little bit fast. Maybe this is sort
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of a positive development, like maybe progress in world history.
Like there used to be the real the crazy Stalin Mow,
the dictator that put up deaths in the millions and
was just an absolute psycho not couldn't be judged on
any human standard, But now we're seeing less and less
of that, and we're seeing more just like, Okay, these
guys they suck, but they suck in a in a
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way that you can recognize from your own life. And
maybe we'll eventually get to how about we have people
in tern you don't even suck. Well, let's hope for that.
Maybe the arc of human history is bending towards progress,
which kind of leads us to our next story. Actually,
it's interesting how it all ties together. You've got something
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good for us. We saved it for third on our
fourth from the South. Talk to me about the Pandora papers.
So um, this weekend there was a huge leak of
documents and legal paperwork and you know a bunch of
h I mean hard drives that were exposed with information
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about what's going on in uh this taxpayer heavens, you know,
all over the world. So we all know that there's
you know, like the Virgin is like British Virgin Island,
and you know a bunch of other places in the
planet where you can do the business and there's no
they're not gonna track you there. You're not gonna pay taxes.
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And it's kind of like a part of these for
it's kind of it's not illegal because the rules are
like the standard is very low, so you can do
legal stuff that is actually illegal probably in your own country.
So this huge le happened, and there's like thousands of
people who are part of this, you know, at different levels.
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You know, people who have like fake businesses you just
like you know, move money and not pay taxes. Uh.
There's artists like I don't know, there's people like a
Checky Rise part of this. A lot a bunch of
soccer players are part of this um. And yeah, I
feel everyone with I mean Ringo Star, Uh, Yeah, I
(16:06):
saw the King of the King of Jordan's was a
big one, right, and uh Huru Kenyada, the Prime Minister
president of Kenya, he was a big one. And these
guys are just their stashing money away where nobody can
investigate where it came from and nobody can take tax
on it. There's a thousands, thousands of dollars who just
go to these places. But this is the thing in Chile.
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The president is involved in this. This guy all right,
it's actually empowered right now. So that's very different to
other cases. Um, because of course you have like the
the from Colombia, Kurchnsky from brew You know, you have
a bunch of sketchy people, but you have one was
in there, right. There was a woman, supposedly a woman
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that had Vladimir Prutin's child, got a mansion in Monaco,
or some payment in Monaco or something Monico. If you
hear about Monico, somebody's sneaking money or something, right, it's
not good news. So this is what happened with Chile.
The Chilean president, this guy that everyone hates right now,
way before this this happened, Pinerira, he he is a businessman,
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he is It was kind of like the first CEO
president of Latin America. You know, people vote for him
thinking like hey, if it was a good CEO, maybe
it's gonna make money for everyone. And that's not how
it works. Um. But the thing is like, yeah, Sleeper
and Labat that we're like to because there's so many
papers leaked that they give like a bunch of uh
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entities to to check them out, you know, like different
journalists groups check different parts of these documents. So for
the Chilean side you have Seper and Labat. They check
this out. And this is the thing. It's been for
like at least ten years, a whole debate about this Mineta.
There's a copper and iron mine called Dominga that they
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when you put this in a place in Chile that
have a very um uh weak balance like of nature.
You know, you can fell apart if you put mine,
your mind really next to it, like the cold ecosystem
will fall apart. They're trying to put a copper mine exactly.
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So what's the Is it like a forest or like
a desert? No, I think it's it's it well, it's
it's it's right next to the ocean. But it's like
this place where penguins and other animals, penguins, they're gonna
kill okay, and they want to put this this this
horrible industry right there. So well that this is the
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thing is that one of the owners is Carlo, one
of the best friends of Pinera, and he makes a
deal with him to sell him part of this uh mine.
And he put like a contract with three stages of payment,
you know, like Okay, the first stage, we're gonna pay
you this millions and millions of dollars. Second stage, you're
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gonna pay with this, and then in the third payment
in the contract said if he's approved by the government,
you will get the third payment. Why he's the government
directly pay for pay for pay kind of like if
you just give us this, then you get more money. Wow, okay,
Pania should have resigned yesterday, right, what's going on is
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gold today? He yeah, everyone is angry, of course, and
today he said, uh he could give a press conference
for the first time telling that well, you know what,
people already knew about this, and I mean the timing
of this is not how it sounds. You know, I
was not president when we started the deal, and then
I became president, but like I was not connected because
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it's my kids, it's not me, and forget it sounds
like a lot of confusing for here wrap it out
of a hat. But and I think it's impossible to
really explain. So let's see what's gonna happen. He's he's
going to be of power in March of next year.
You know the lecturers are in November. So it's also
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like he's running his last stretch. Um, but I don't know,
I feel like he should be Yeah, like for the
good of the country, he should be removed of power.
Um if you like, resigning over gets removed. Who takes over?
I think the Congress. I think he's a woman right now,
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she's running Congress. He manna, I can't remember lasting, but
he may have something. He may I think her over.
But it's just like it's just it's it's once again.
It's like Latin American never end showing you like these
crazy deals that happened. And I don't know, I feel that,
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particularly for Chile, like this guy has been a it's
been a disaster. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a profitable
lesson from this. Actually because I think hearing you tell
the story, I've kind of learned something. If I'm a
politician and I get caught red handed in something like this,
and you're just there's irrefutable evidence, it's just so obvious.
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Here's my move exactly what it sounds like Panera did.
Come on, you guys already knew about this. Everybody knew
about this. It's no big deal. And then just keep
just keep moving on. And what are people gonna say
because usually there's a strong suspicion anyway, And and the journalists, like,
the journalists are like, we nailed you, we got proof,
and I just say, yeah, but you come on, you
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already knew that I was doing that. Who cares about
the proof? And it's tough for journalists get past that
because they have to say we knew, but now we
now we got you, and you say, yeah, okay, but
you already had me and I'm still here and I'm
still here. Well, probably that works in every way. You know,
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It's like someone he's like cheating on his wife or
you know, cheating on his husband, and I don't act
like it's a very surprise because you got the Pandora papers. Okay,
let go. Yeah, that's that is a deeply cynical it
degrades everybody involved and really ruins this system. But it
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might save your neck, so I can see why politicians
would go for that. Well, let's end, Let's go to
our fourth story and wrap things up. Hopefully we have
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something a little cheerier than the destruction of pigs and
penguins and nuclear weapons for countries that need them. What
do we got for reggaton? Well, what's the different kind
of war? We're moving through the reggaeton war that is
happening right now in the urban music Latino industry. Um, well,
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probably you guys are familiar with some of these names,
like Bob Bunny. I think by Bunny is like a
worldwide Can we back up for one second, Just do
your best to give me a the simplest definition of
reggae tong because I think I know it when I
hear it. It's like reggae ish but hip hop club
kind of stuff. Right. I think he's like, uh, um,
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height speed reggae. Okay, okay, so reggae but not Bob Marley. No,
it's not slow, it's like high speed. The beat is faster. Um.
They took the beauty music of Bob Barley and the
Jamaican Masters, and we're like, if we could just crank
this up to like a million and then we really
have something, And he worked and worked. Yeah, right now
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it's probably the most popular music in the world. So um,
there's artists like by Bunny Jay Baldin they have like
a you know, worldwide stage and this order artist or
not that famous and you know like don't no matter
or well Daddy Yankee was like the father of General.
So well they all this started with the Grammys. Uh,
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there was the nomination of the Grammys and Jay Valvin tweeted, um,
there's no Latinos in this this year. They use us,
you know, like they put us in the show. Uh.
We we perform and then we never get nominated, and
we should boycott the Grammys. Every mayor Latino reggaeton artist
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shouldn't go to the Grammys, Okay, the way we should
do that. So it was like yeah, I was like, okay, okay,
because the strike me as a bit weird, Like why
is there this like and what's supposed to be an
outsider medium that's purely talent. Why should a bunch of
like weird people be voting on awards? I know, like
I know what song. It's the one I listened to.
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Awards are kind of like also a concept that it's
hard to understand. But then you have the You have
this guy a residentiaunt It. He has some reggaeton, but
he's most like a Puerto Rican rap artists. I mean,
he created this band called that became really famous for
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the last decade. And he's more of an artist, you know,
because more like a sensitive soul than this these other people.
So he came up with a video and he's great
attacking someone, you know, because like this street creed for real.
You know, he's got He's been in an argument at
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the high stakes level before, and he knows how to
do it. I mean he said things that I love,
like he well he started, of course, he starts explaining
like a Jose like bubbling name. It's like we were
we are nominated. It's just you are not dominated. Like
oh slam okay. He's like this guy is nominated, this
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artists nominated, Like this other guy for the first time
is nominated. We shouldn't go because you are nominated. And
then it's like this year they're gonna do a whole
thing about ruben blades is a big artist for Latinos
is not reggat in the dog, so I mean it
doesn't matter. I mean he started like destroying this guy. Wow, okay, okay, yeah,
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just destroying him. But they take this turn that I love.
He was like, let me explain your high works, Jose.
He's like, there's hot dog stands in the world and
everyone loves them. Everyone go for hot dogs. We all
love a good hot dog with every day. Million of
people love hot dogs. But when people want to eat
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something good, they go to a restaurant, and that those
are the one who get the mid chilling stars. So
if you want to get the mitchell In star star making,
stop making hot dogs and get a restaurant. Um wow, okay,
so wait, let me find he's a couple of thoughts.
First thing is, yeah, I absolutely want a list of
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residents favorite hot dog stands all over the world and
favorite restaurants. Definitely please if anyone resident, if you're listening,
if we can get that, I'm gonna look at maybe
it's out there somewhere because some journalists will have done this. Okay, cool,
that's amazing. I love this. So he's saying, you're making
hot dogs You're not getting a Michelin star because your
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hot dogs are They're fine, people eat them, but you
know they're good. They could even be beloved, but you are.
They're not going to give you a Michelin star for
making a hot dog with a special kind of mustard
on it. My man, that's amazing, Okay cool. And then
hours later Jay Valvins started posting pictures of him as
(27:57):
as the owner of How Dogs Stand, just standing back
next to a hot dog place, and you know, like
the war started hitting up. And then he posted him
like that's that doesn't sound like the war heating up.
It sounds like Jake Alvin admitting defeat, like a yeah,
you're right, I'm a hot dog man here. I am.
Yeah in a way. But then I think he went
for the merch side of this, so he's started seeing
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merch of like the hot ja valving hot dogs hot
dogs for the people. You know, he was like, I'm
going to make a business out of it. Okay, okay,
And that got residents even angrier. Wow, because I guess
it was. Gonna say it sounds like a pretty decent
example of like taking the l you got defeated, just
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sell some merch on it move on exactly. And I
think that it was a good strategy, you know. I
thought in my mind, like, oh this is interesting, you
know what I think defeed and he started selling shit.
But then, however, it wasn't allowed to take his hell
and retreat. No, so angry not in the second video,
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and he's like, you rote me through what'sapp that if
I take down my video, you will take down your
tweets about the voycott and it will be over. But
then you start selling merch using my attack, so you
agree all this business around this conflict that is not
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what you told me you will do. And WhatsApp honor.
And then he said like well, trashing him for being
a sellout, that there's more stuff than just selling things,
you know, like there's music and real art and blah blah.
And then he goes for well, during the riots in Columbia,
I think a couple of years ago now, I don't
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know if you remember, like there was a whole thing
going on in Colombia. There was a lot of pressure
in javelopment to say something because he's from the Inn
and he he was he was not support wording anyone,
he was any side. He was just not taking sides.
So he he started exposing this, like, remember when the
thing in Columbia happened, you wrote me if you if
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you can help me to say something, and I wrote
something for you, and you copy pasted on your tweets.
You copy paste what I told you to say about
what happened in Colombia because you don't have any feelings.
You know, you're not a real artist. And then he
started and I'm gonna give you some help for your
business of hot dogs, giving you some names. And he
(30:34):
started like giving him like names to put this hot
dog stand. And my favorite one was l TV the Median.
That is like them, the warm of Median, you know,
like not not taking sides, the warm of lukewarm. Yeah,
that's brutal, I know. And the artists are taking sides
(30:59):
don't matter, is like with bald them. I mean no,
the nomads with with Residential, all the guys are taking
the side of Bobbin. So yeah, this is the start
of the Reggative Awards that we're gonna follow in during
these episodes, So we will be following This is amazing story.
Fab you truly delivered on the premise of four from
the South because I you know, yesterday I couldn't. Maybe
I would have heard the name Jay Balvin, maybe not.
(31:21):
I'm not sure I could have answered a test about him.
But now he is a villain in a story because
to me, I'm on resident's side. He sounds like absolutely, yeah, yeah.
And I also like the I've noticed this in music
and sort of tabloid culture lately, like the nuclear option
is the Then you I have your d m s
of you being stupid right here, Like when you reveal
(31:42):
those to the public, it's just like, Okay, you just
busted this dude. And that's when you can tell who's
been fronting and who is genuine and who is who
is the true champion so or or or recommendation to
everyone when you really want to need some help, cool,
don't text, don't hold that, and don't put that in
anything they can put in their Instagram story. You start
(32:05):
calling people. I know that we hate colleague people, but
this is the best way to keep his secret is
taking the phone call and call someone. I can't tell
if the story made me want a hot dog or not.
I don't think so. M I'm not sure, but definitely
definitely and all be for a no pig in my
hot dog? Please? H I think I want the foodie Yeah,
(32:28):
the foodie restaurant. The Michelin starts, I think I want
to go with resident to a Michelin starred restaurant. I
think that would be very enjoyable experience, for sure. Yes,
absolutely well, we did it. We did it. That's been
for from the South. Will catch you next week when
it will be our tenth episode and thus will truly
become a podcast. And um, hit us up on Twitter
or Gmail. For from the South is ours our handle
(32:51):
on those two platforms. We would love to hear some
stories from you about what's going on in Latin America,
firsthand reports. If you want to send us a voice
memo of what you're seeing out their stories, we should
look into. Let us know which side you're taking. J
Balvin Defenders way in here. We could use you. Yes,
this has been four from the South. Thanks guys, Thank
(33:12):
you by. Four from the South is hosted by Me,
Steve Healey, and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is our producer.
Original theme song by Amy Stolzenbach. Four from the South
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We are back. I am Steve Healey. I'm here with
my good friend Fabrizio Capano. Fab How are you doing?
But hello, I'm I'm here. I'm I'm based in Latin
America right now. What are of Mexico? City of books
and mountains? That's my impression, right, it's kind of an
intellectual a lot of bookstores, yes, and get very gay friendly.
(00:41):
It's a very gay friendly town. Okay, that's good to know. Um,
what else do I need to know about it? How's
the food is very moderate? Is the food is amazing?
It's just like everywhere you go, it's the simplest place,
have better food than anywhere in the world. That's insane
about Mexico. That's incredible. Oh yeah, it's way. I do
(01:04):
want to talk about Guadalajara, but we have to set
up on the top of our show. We'd like to say,
we'd like to promise people what we're going to deliver.
We on this show you get four stories. The four
stories are gonna are from Greater Latin America. This week
we're going to talk about African swine flew, a danger
already appearing in the Caribbean, hopefully not coming here. We're
gonna talk about Brazil potentially acquiring a nuclear submarine, which
(01:28):
if you have questions, I'm with you because I want
to know more about that. Then we're gonna talk about
something called the Pandora Papers. You're gonna tell us about
the Pandora papers. Sounds bad? It is really bad when
Pandora opens. Not a good idea. What's our fourth do
we have a fourth story? What's the last thing? Yeah,
(01:48):
we have the reggaeton wars that are happening right now
between Ja Valving and Residente. Uh, there's a whole mess
will need to be discussed. Yeah, we need to discuss
about who is it real artists in the reggative world. Oh,
I've been wondering that myself and I'd like to get
in on that topic. I want to say a special welcome,
by the way, to our listeners from who came to
(02:10):
us from POUG. I've been hearing word on the street
is that they advertise for from the South fab on
this podcast. POUG hosted by Cape ber Land and Jacqueline Novak.
A fantastic podcast by two absolute superstars of comedy. And
it was an honor to me to have several people
come up and say, hey, man, I've heard I've been
meaning to listen to your podcast because I heard it
advertised on POUG Interesting. Thank you, Welcome guys, Welcome everyone
(02:34):
that is part of this community now, and everyone is.
I think that we're getting somewhere. This is episode nine.
I like to say, no one has a podcast until
they're at episode ten. So we're getting there. But I
think we're we have a real shot at being the
best English language podcast about greater Latin America. What do
(02:54):
you think? I mean, absolutely like the news we're gonna
talk tonight, I mean today is it kind of information
that you're not going to get for anywhere else? You know,
no one else is talking about this, so this is
the only place to certainly no one else is talking
about it, with the same combination of a little bit
of information, a lot of wonder and curiosity, uh absurdist
(03:20):
sense of the world, plus like um, a lot of
ignorance that also hopefully matches the listeners own and creates
a special effect. This isn't like the BBC giving you
the full details. This is some guys telling you a
few things they picked up that they they're still pondering. Yeah, yeah,
and well, we should start right now because I think
we have great stories this week. Let's raise through it.
(03:42):
I'll start with the worst story we have, which is
African swine flu. Fab it's coming. There's African swine flu
is a really bad disease that kills pigs. It hasn't
been seen in North America I think for about forty years,
maybe thirty nine years. But when it comes, it's bad.
A lot of pigs get it and have to be
put down, and it's just bad news for the pork
(04:03):
and pig industry. And it has reached the Dominican Republic,
and the US has been scouring. There's guys and has
matt suits on the beach in Puerto Rico. Because if
Dominican Dominican migrants have been coming over and if they
have a pig, or if they've been near a pig,
or if they have some muck on their shoes that
(04:24):
has been near and infected African swine flu pig, We're
gonna have a big problem. How does this hit you?
What are we thinking the pig? I think I honored
it Almo. In much of Latin America, yeah, we love pigs.
Pigs are great. But in this particular case scenario. I'm like,
does it happen before swine flu was not a radio
kind of like a big deal that then ended up
(04:44):
being not that big. Yeah, I think it's we do
hear about every yeah. Yeah, And because like every new
illness is like you have to shut down the world
to make me scare you know this, Yeah, you can't
be like a flu, a new flu. Now you have
to be really really scary too for me to pay attention.
(05:05):
That is just like reaching that level. That was my
first reaction to is like, I feel like I've heard
this one before and I'm just not that scared about it.
And then they had I was reading about it in
the Economist magazine. They had a bunch of scary quotes
from uh swine flu researchers who are like, if one
pig gets this, game over And then I was a
little bit. I was like, maybe it's time to stop
(05:27):
eating pigs. I've been working on that in my own life.
And the pig is an animal that has been shown
to have some intelligence. A lot of religions already that
they're not to both Islam and Judaism, to the world's
oldest and we have to say, most successful religions they
rule out eating pigs. Could it be there onto something? Yeah,
I think they into something, especially after watching the movie
(05:49):
Babe An Oak Cha. That was another pro several pro
pig movies out there, Charlotte's propaganda out there. I think
that's pigs using their intelligence to sort of influence human
human authors, and that the message of pigs being kind
of smart comes through a lot um. I I think
(06:12):
once again it's like we we need more to really
be scared of this flu uh and and and once again,
this is the same what happened with GOVID. At the beginning.
I was like, it's all the waing wuhan is not
going to happen. But I need I need more info
to be to be worried about these pigs. Sorry, some
(06:32):
of you guys are listening, probably, but I need more
to psers. We we wish you well, we don't want
you to get swine flu. Just weird. We're We're worried
that the humans are overhyping in a little bit. I
think part of the problem too, is like when they're
talking about pigs wine flu, they're like, well, most pigs
that are being raised for eating are like in a
box that's like smaller than the pig itself, is next
(06:54):
to ten dollars and other pigs. So like, if one
pig gets it, I do think it will like get
to every pig. Yeah, and and you're right. I mean
the problem here is like, well someone can say, like, oh, well,
but well be eating pigs since forever and like that's
how humans, you know, live and whatever, but like it's
not designed to living like a cage with three thousand
(07:14):
other pigs right next to each It's just like it
is out of control. You're doing this. It's absurd if
you have a pig yourself and you think it's come
time for you to eat it, and that's right with you. Look,
it seems tough to kill the pig that you have raised,
but I can't judge you for that. But the pigs
you're getting are coming from like truly monstrous facilities, right,
(07:38):
it's not yeah, it's not it's hard, just beautiful. No,
this is not Charcotte's Web, This is not Babe. No,
it's actually maybe these movies are sort of problem. Maybe
they're actually they disguise themselves as pro pig propaganda, but
they're actually propaganda about how the pigs have wonderful lives
and they have a farmer that loves them and it's great.
So they're pretending to be like, don't eat pigs, but
(07:59):
they're actually like, pigs are fine, it's good. And in
those movies there's a lot of like, oh, they're gonna
they're gonna kill a pig, but one pig. There's like,
we're gonna eat a pig tonight, so we're gonna pick
up which pick is like one? And like no, they're
killing thousands every hour. It's just like a machine that
he's killing pigs every single minute. You know what this
is bumming me out. Let's move off of pigs. Let's
(08:21):
let's say here that we like pigs, we root for pigs,
we support them, and we hope that swine flu stays
away from us. So somewhat it sounds like almost a
(08:45):
punch line to a joke in a way. Brazilian nuclear submarine.
The Brazilians, I learned this in The Economist as well,
are coming very close to having a nuclear submarine. And
good question might be why well they have this guy Bolsonaro,
it's a frequent character in this show. Um that of
(09:07):
course he wanted to be. I think he's like, I mean,
it's kind of weird right now, having these guys who
wanted to be dictators, but they don't go full speed dictator.
You know, the lazy dictator. Yeah, the lazy dictator. Maybe
they don't want to be uh ruthless as like they
want to be jerks, you know, you want to be
(09:34):
it's the jerk tators are taking over the world because
when you think about a dictator, you have a guy
who's like, I'm a criminal, I am doing these horrible things.
I'm in power. I'm gonna get nuclear power because I'm
just gonna destroy other players. You know, everyone should be
scared of me. But now you guys are like, no,
I'm a democrat. I love democracy. I want things to work.
(09:55):
But you know what, no, no, no loss for transgender people, well,
no help for immigrants. Uh. And nuclear power just to
like kind of feel but not even with it, just
to have it, not even to like do anything with it, right,
Like what Brazil is not going to send their nuclear
submarine to go attack China. By the way, I feel
(10:17):
like nuclear submarine. The name is often confusing because a
lot of US submarines that are nuclear powered also have
nuclear weapons on them. They're like, so if you destroy
the US, these subs are still It's like a don't
even mess with us, because even if you destroy the
whole US will still these submarines that are gonna blow
you up. But really we're talking about a submarine powered
by a nuclear generator, which I guess is a good
(10:41):
way to run a submarine. And Brazil sort of wants
to get to nuclear power in general because right now
they would have to if they wanted to build a
nuclear power plant or something, they have to hire like
France or the U S or some country that's already
cracked that one. The problem here is like who's who's
gonna go at the war? What kind of war Brazil
is gonna? Like? We who? Great question, and that's gonna
(11:02):
be waged underwater once again. He's like, I think it's
just like the jerk mindset more than the strategist. You know,
there's no strategy behind this is just like we can
do it, let's do it. Yeah, I mean, who cares
about like going into a war with Brazil. You're really
(11:23):
onto something fab with the jerk the jerk tator concept,
because it does seem like Okay, the classic image of
the dictators like a guy who's a maniac and he's
killed people and yeah, he's gone past some boundary. He
doesn't even care about right or wrong, but he has
at least might have a vision or something, even if
the vision is just statutes of himself and himself in charge.
But bull Snaro, this guy in El Salvador, they're just
(11:45):
like they're like just the worst boss you've ever had.
They're obnoxious, they selfish, they come up with stupid ideas
that don't help anybody. Yeah, the horrible post dictator. It's
it's but he once again, he's like, at least with
like the old fashioned dictator, you will be able to
like just go hate hate them. And you know they
(12:06):
were like, oh these you know, Stalin, Mussolini, Peanut Chid,
you put in the same bag. But now it's just
like the dudes doing stupid shit and well, I mean
they're gonna have a place in history, but it's not
going to be like that, you know that, right, Like
Saddam Hussein, It's like, I've never had a boss that maybe,
if I were being really exaggeratory, I might compare a
(12:30):
boss to Saddam Hussein. But really like the bad bosses
I've had have not been on that level. He's on
another level. But Bull Sinaro Trump, the fellow in El
Salvador Uh Bookele, who we've talked about several times. These
guys seem like, sure, I could picture this guy running
a car dealership and it just sucking sucks. He makes
everybody feel terrible. He insults you. He bought himself a
(12:53):
helicopter for no reason. They wasted all our money. The
company is going bankrupt, he is laying people off. It
just it sucks. And and once again it's like they
both both Bothsonaro and Trump right now they kind of like,
um have a like flirting relationship with a coup but
not really like putting a cool in place. They don't
(13:15):
have them because that yeah, and they're both like they
both like having the same It was like, you guys,
if you want to do it, just do it for me.
But I'm not going to actively work on this. Just
like if you guys are angry, just go with it,
run with it. Don't call me into his own don't
don't tell me and get me in on the details. Okay,
(13:37):
I'm not part of this. Just do it for me
and call me when he's done. But yeah, I mean,
once again we need all fashion dictators to make a comback. No,
not really, but yeah, I think those guys are unless
have like some horrible mindset very clearly, you know, just
the script a little bit fast. Maybe this is sort
(13:58):
of a positive development, like maybe progress in world history.
Like there used to be the real the crazy Stalin Mow,
the dictator that put up deaths in the millions and
was just an absolute psycho not couldn't be judged on
any human standard, But now we're seeing less and less
of that, and we're seeing more just like, Okay, these
guys they suck, but they suck in a in a
(14:20):
way that you can recognize from your own life. And
maybe we'll eventually get to how about we have people
in tern you don't even suck. Well, let's hope for that.
Maybe the arc of human history is bending towards progress,
which kind of leads us to our next story. Actually,
it's interesting how it all ties together. You've got something
(14:41):
good for us. We saved it for third on our
fourth from the South. Talk to me about the Pandora papers.
So um, this weekend there was a huge leak of
documents and legal paperwork and you know a bunch of
h I mean hard drives that were exposed with information
(15:01):
about what's going on in uh this taxpayer heavens, you know,
all over the world. So we all know that there's
you know, like the Virgin is like British Virgin Island,
and you know a bunch of other places in the
planet where you can do the business and there's no
they're not gonna track you there. You're not gonna pay taxes.
(15:22):
And it's kind of like a part of these for
it's kind of it's not illegal because the rules are
like the standard is very low, so you can do
legal stuff that is actually illegal probably in your own country.
So this huge le happened, and there's like thousands of
people who are part of this, you know, at different levels.
(15:43):
You know, people who have like fake businesses you just
like you know, move money and not pay taxes. Uh.
There's artists like I don't know, there's people like a
Checky Rise part of this. A lot a bunch of
soccer players are part of this um. And yeah, I
feel everyone with I mean Ringo Star, Uh, Yeah, I
(16:06):
saw the King of the King of Jordan's was a
big one, right, and uh Huru Kenyada, the Prime Minister
president of Kenya, he was a big one. And these
guys are just their stashing money away where nobody can
investigate where it came from and nobody can take tax
on it. There's a thousands, thousands of dollars who just
go to these places. But this is the thing in Chile.
(16:28):
The president is involved in this. This guy all right,
it's actually empowered right now. So that's very different to
other cases. Um, because of course you have like the
the from Colombia, Kurchnsky from brew You know, you have
a bunch of sketchy people, but you have one was
in there, right. There was a woman, supposedly a woman
(16:50):
that had Vladimir Prutin's child, got a mansion in Monaco,
or some payment in Monaco or something Monico. If you
hear about Monico, somebody's sneaking money or something, right, it's
not good news. So this is what happened with Chile.
The Chilean president, this guy that everyone hates right now,
way before this this happened, Pinerira, he he is a businessman,
(17:13):
he is It was kind of like the first CEO
president of Latin America. You know, people vote for him
thinking like hey, if it was a good CEO, maybe
it's gonna make money for everyone. And that's not how
it works. Um. But the thing is like, yeah, Sleeper
and Labat that we're like to because there's so many
papers leaked that they give like a bunch of uh
(17:34):
entities to to check them out, you know, like different
journalists groups check different parts of these documents. So for
the Chilean side you have Seper and Labat. They check
this out. And this is the thing. It's been for
like at least ten years, a whole debate about this Mineta.
There's a copper and iron mine called Dominga that they
(17:57):
when you put this in a place in Chile that
have a very um uh weak balance like of nature.
You know, you can fell apart if you put mine,
your mind really next to it, like the cold ecosystem
will fall apart. They're trying to put a copper mine exactly.
(18:18):
So what's the Is it like a forest or like
a desert? No, I think it's it's it well, it's
it's it's right next to the ocean. But it's like
this place where penguins and other animals, penguins, they're gonna
kill okay, and they want to put this this this
horrible industry right there. So well that this is the
(18:39):
thing is that one of the owners is Carlo, one
of the best friends of Pinera, and he makes a
deal with him to sell him part of this uh mine.
And he put like a contract with three stages of payment,
you know, like Okay, the first stage, we're gonna pay
you this millions and millions of dollars. Second stage, you're
(19:00):
gonna pay with this, and then in the third payment
in the contract said if he's approved by the government,
you will get the third payment. Why he's the government
directly pay for pay for pay kind of like if
you just give us this, then you get more money. Wow, okay,
Pania should have resigned yesterday, right, what's going on is
(19:22):
gold today? He yeah, everyone is angry, of course, and
today he said, uh he could give a press conference
for the first time telling that well, you know what,
people already knew about this, and I mean the timing
of this is not how it sounds. You know, I
was not president when we started the deal, and then
I became president, but like I was not connected because
(19:44):
it's my kids, it's not me, and forget it sounds
like a lot of confusing for here wrap it out
of a hat. But and I think it's impossible to
really explain. So let's see what's gonna happen. He's he's
going to be of power in March of next year.
You know the lecturers are in November. So it's also
(20:06):
like he's running his last stretch. Um, but I don't know,
I feel like he should be Yeah, like for the
good of the country, he should be removed of power.
Um if you like, resigning over gets removed. Who takes over?
I think the Congress. I think he's a woman right now,
(20:26):
she's running Congress. He manna, I can't remember lasting, but
he may have something. He may I think her over.
But it's just like it's just it's it's once again.
It's like Latin American never end showing you like these
crazy deals that happened. And I don't know, I feel that,
(20:50):
particularly for Chile, like this guy has been a it's
been a disaster. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a profitable
lesson from this. Actually because I think hearing you tell
the story, I've kind of learned something. If I'm a
politician and I get caught red handed in something like this,
and you're just there's irrefutable evidence, it's just so obvious.
(21:13):
Here's my move exactly what it sounds like Panera did.
Come on, you guys already knew about this. Everybody knew
about this. It's no big deal. And then just keep
just keep moving on. And what are people gonna say
because usually there's a strong suspicion anyway, And and the journalists, like,
the journalists are like, we nailed you, we got proof,
and I just say, yeah, but you come on, you
(21:33):
already knew that I was doing that. Who cares about
the proof? And it's tough for journalists get past that
because they have to say we knew, but now we
now we got you, and you say, yeah, okay, but
you already had me and I'm still here and I'm
still here. Well, probably that works in every way. You know,
(21:54):
It's like someone he's like cheating on his wife or
you know, cheating on his husband, and I don't act
like it's a very surprise because you got the Pandora papers. Okay,
let go. Yeah, that's that is a deeply cynical it
degrades everybody involved and really ruins this system. But it
(22:16):
might save your neck, so I can see why politicians
would go for that. Well, let's end, Let's go to
our fourth story and wrap things up. Hopefully we have
(22:38):
something a little cheerier than the destruction of pigs and
penguins and nuclear weapons for countries that need them. What
do we got for reggaton? Well, what's the different kind
of war? We're moving through the reggaeton war that is
happening right now in the urban music Latino industry. Um, well,
(23:00):
probably you guys are familiar with some of these names,
like Bob Bunny. I think by Bunny is like a
worldwide Can we back up for one second, Just do
your best to give me a the simplest definition of
reggae tong because I think I know it when I
hear it. It's like reggae ish but hip hop club
kind of stuff. Right. I think he's like, uh, um,
(23:23):
height speed reggae. Okay, okay, so reggae but not Bob Marley. No,
it's not slow, it's like high speed. The beat is faster. Um.
They took the beauty music of Bob Barley and the
Jamaican Masters, and we're like, if we could just crank
this up to like a million and then we really
have something, And he worked and worked. Yeah, right now
(23:50):
it's probably the most popular music in the world. So um,
there's artists like by Bunny Jay Baldin they have like
a you know, worldwide stage and this order artist or
not that famous and you know like don't no matter
or well Daddy Yankee was like the father of General.
So well they all this started with the Grammys. Uh,
(24:13):
there was the nomination of the Grammys and Jay Valvin tweeted, um,
there's no Latinos in this this year. They use us,
you know, like they put us in the show. Uh.
We we perform and then we never get nominated, and
we should boycott the Grammys. Every mayor Latino reggaeton artist
(24:35):
shouldn't go to the Grammys, Okay, the way we should
do that. So it was like yeah, I was like, okay, okay,
because the strike me as a bit weird, Like why
is there this like and what's supposed to be an
outsider medium that's purely talent. Why should a bunch of
like weird people be voting on awards? I know, like
I know what song. It's the one I listened to.
(24:58):
Awards are kind of like also a concept that it's
hard to understand. But then you have the You have
this guy a residentiaunt It. He has some reggaeton, but
he's most like a Puerto Rican rap artists. I mean,
he created this band called that became really famous for
(25:21):
the last decade. And he's more of an artist, you know,
because more like a sensitive soul than this these other people.
So he came up with a video and he's great
attacking someone, you know, because like this street creed for real.
You know, he's got He's been in an argument at
(25:43):
the high stakes level before, and he knows how to
do it. I mean he said things that I love,
like he well he started, of course, he starts explaining
like a Jose like bubbling name. It's like we were
we are nominated. It's just you are not dominated. Like
oh slam okay. He's like this guy is nominated, this
(26:06):
artists nominated, Like this other guy for the first time
is nominated. We shouldn't go because you are nominated. And
then it's like this year they're gonna do a whole
thing about ruben blades is a big artist for Latinos
is not reggat in the dog, so I mean it
doesn't matter. I mean he started like destroying this guy. Wow, okay, okay, yeah,
(26:31):
just destroying him. But they take this turn that I love.
He was like, let me explain your high works, Jose.
He's like, there's hot dog stands in the world and
everyone loves them. Everyone go for hot dogs. We all
love a good hot dog with every day. Million of
people love hot dogs. But when people want to eat
(26:52):
something good, they go to a restaurant, and that those
are the one who get the mid chilling stars. So
if you want to get the mitchell In star star making,
stop making hot dogs and get a restaurant. Um wow, okay,
so wait, let me find he's a couple of thoughts.
First thing is, yeah, I absolutely want a list of
(27:14):
residents favorite hot dog stands all over the world and
favorite restaurants. Definitely please if anyone resident, if you're listening,
if we can get that, I'm gonna look at maybe
it's out there somewhere because some journalists will have done this. Okay, cool,
that's amazing. I love this. So he's saying, you're making
hot dogs You're not getting a Michelin star because your
(27:34):
hot dogs are They're fine, people eat them, but you
know they're good. They could even be beloved, but you are.
They're not going to give you a Michelin star for
making a hot dog with a special kind of mustard
on it. My man, that's amazing, Okay cool. And then
hours later Jay Valvins started posting pictures of him as
(27:57):
as the owner of How Dogs Stand, just standing back
next to a hot dog place, and you know, like
the war started hitting up. And then he posted him
like that's that doesn't sound like the war heating up.
It sounds like Jake Alvin admitting defeat, like a yeah,
you're right, I'm a hot dog man here. I am.
Yeah in a way. But then I think he went
for the merch side of this, so he's started seeing
(28:20):
merch of like the hot ja valving hot dogs hot
dogs for the people. You know, he was like, I'm
going to make a business out of it. Okay, okay,
And that got residents even angrier. Wow, because I guess
it was. Gonna say it sounds like a pretty decent
example of like taking the l you got defeated, just
(28:42):
sell some merch on it move on exactly. And I
think that it was a good strategy, you know. I
thought in my mind, like, oh this is interesting, you
know what I think defeed and he started selling shit.
But then, however, it wasn't allowed to take his hell
and retreat. No, so angry not in the second video,
(29:04):
and he's like, you rote me through what'sapp that if
I take down my video, you will take down your
tweets about the voycott and it will be over. But
then you start selling merch using my attack, so you
agree all this business around this conflict that is not
(29:27):
what you told me you will do. And WhatsApp honor.
And then he said like well, trashing him for being
a sellout, that there's more stuff than just selling things,
you know, like there's music and real art and blah blah.
And then he goes for well, during the riots in Columbia,
I think a couple of years ago now, I don't
(29:48):
know if you remember, like there was a whole thing
going on in Colombia. There was a lot of pressure
in javelopment to say something because he's from the Inn
and he he was he was not support wording anyone,
he was any side. He was just not taking sides.
So he he started exposing this, like, remember when the
thing in Columbia happened, you wrote me if you if
(30:11):
you can help me to say something, and I wrote
something for you, and you copy pasted on your tweets.
You copy paste what I told you to say about
what happened in Colombia because you don't have any feelings.
You know, you're not a real artist. And then he
started and I'm gonna give you some help for your
business of hot dogs, giving you some names. And he
(30:34):
started like giving him like names to put this hot
dog stand. And my favorite one was l TV the Median.
That is like them, the warm of Median, you know,
like not not taking sides, the warm of lukewarm. Yeah,
that's brutal, I know. And the artists are taking sides
(30:59):
don't matter, is like with bald them. I mean no,
the nomads with with Residential, all the guys are taking
the side of Bobbin. So yeah, this is the start
of the Reggative Awards that we're gonna follow in during
these episodes, So we will be following This is amazing story.
Fab you truly delivered on the premise of four from
the South because I you know, yesterday I couldn't. Maybe
I would have heard the name Jay Balvin, maybe not.
(31:21):
I'm not sure I could have answered a test about him.
But now he is a villain in a story because
to me, I'm on resident's side. He sounds like absolutely, yeah, yeah.
And I also like the I've noticed this in music
and sort of tabloid culture lately, like the nuclear option
is the Then you I have your d m s
of you being stupid right here, Like when you reveal
(31:42):
those to the public, it's just like, Okay, you just
busted this dude. And that's when you can tell who's
been fronting and who is genuine and who is who
is the true champion so or or or recommendation to
everyone when you really want to need some help, cool,
don't text, don't hold that, and don't put that in
anything they can put in their Instagram story. You start
(32:05):
calling people. I know that we hate colleague people, but
this is the best way to keep his secret is
taking the phone call and call someone. I can't tell
if the story made me want a hot dog or not.
I don't think so. M I'm not sure, but definitely
definitely and all be for a no pig in my
hot dog? Please? H I think I want the foodie Yeah,
(32:28):
the foodie restaurant. The Michelin starts, I think I want
to go with resident to a Michelin starred restaurant. I
think that would be very enjoyable experience, for sure. Yes,
absolutely well, we did it. We did it. That's been
for from the South. Will catch you next week when
it will be our tenth episode and thus will truly
become a podcast. And um, hit us up on Twitter
or Gmail. For from the South is ours our handle
(32:51):
on those two platforms. We would love to hear some
stories from you about what's going on in Latin America,
firsthand reports. If you want to send us a voice
memo of what you're seeing out their stories, we should
look into. Let us know which side you're taking. J
Balvin Defenders way in here. We could use you. Yes,
this has been four from the South. Thanks guys, Thank
(33:12):
you by. Four from the South is hosted by Me,
Steve Healey, and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is our producer.
Original theme song by Amy Stolzenbach. Four from the South
is a production of Exile Content Studio in partnership with
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