September 16, 2021 • 26 mins
This week on 4 from the South: The importance of the Latino population in Canadian elections, the wacky politics of a libertarian in Argentina, capybaras still on our agenda, and Mel Gibson's fear of the Pachamama.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, when it is dis when's no chase, if it's
nighttime where you are. This is Steve Healey and I'm
here with my good friend Fabritio Capano on our wonderful
show for From the South. Hello everyone, Thank you for
the people who are listening and tweeting back at us.
That feels nice. We're starting to get a little audience community,
and that's what we really want to build, a community
(00:38):
across the America's and beyond movement. It's from the South
is not just a podcast, it's a movement. So hit
us up. You can find us for From the South
on Twitter, four from the South at gmail, um so
fab Today we've got, as usual, at least four stories
from big Latin America. I wanted to start with a
story though that's from a place we may not think
(01:01):
of as part of Latin America, but it might be,
and that is the nation of Canada. I was watching
the US go ahead, they yeah, they don't want to
be I think they don't really don't want to be. Yeah.
I was watching the US Women's Open final yesterday and
there was a Canadian latina in the event. Her name
(01:22):
is Layla Fernandez. She lost unfortunately to a British born
woman of Romanian and Chinese. I think ancestry uh named
rod Emma Rodokadu. But Layla Fernandez is the daughter of
an Ecuadorian soccer player. His name is Jorge and she
was born in Montreal. I think, and so did Does
(01:44):
she count as Latina? Do you think? I think she counts.
And I think we we as Latina's. We should celebrate
everyone that even let have one per cent of Latina blood,
like we should celebrate I remember when the nineties when
there was like not a level of Latinos in the media.
Every time there was someone with like a little bit
(02:06):
of Latino Is in their blood, we were like, yeah,
that's one of us is making it. We should just
all be behind that person. So I approved this person
me as the guy who decide who is Latino or not.
We are claiming Fernandez of Canada as a Latina and
good on her. She didn't win the US Open, but
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she did give a very stirring speech after coming in second,
and I think she has the heart of a champion
for sure, and we'll be expecting great things from her.
I was looking into it, and Canada is about two
percent Latino according to the stats. But you fab one
of the first people include me into the idea that
the number of Latinos can be pretty flexible. I know. Yeah,
(02:48):
we we always I mean something that Latino's hate our
order Latinos, so we do all that was this thing
of like, oh, no, no, no, I'm I'm not Latino,
I've been here forever. Just yeah with me as carcussion
or like just a white dude. And even like I mean,
Latinos kind of disappear in every census because they decided
to stop calling themselve Latinas. So we don't really know
(03:11):
how many are they in Canada? Gotcha? Yeah, Well, in Canada,
according to um Wikipedia, which is where I get most
of my data, about two percent of Canadians are Latinos.
Here in the United States, it's about eighteen percent. And
here this data is from the cents, so it might change.
And here in California, my home state and your homestatety
eight percent of the people are Latino, which is got
(03:32):
to be the bigger numbers. Yeah here Texas. But as
any conversation about a category like that is a little strange. UM,
it's hard to fit people in and how people define
themselves on the census can change how people think about
themselves their cultural identity. Part of the theme of this podcast,
I think is that the Latino world includes all of us,
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even if we wouldn't necessarily check that box on the
sense it's it's not it's not ethnicity. It's just like
a way of leaving your life. It's a way of being,
a way of chilling. Well, I was interested in it.
I'll make our second story another story from Canada. They're
having an election up there in Canada. They have a
pretty boy Prime minister, Justin Trudeau, whose father was himself
(04:16):
Prime Minister of Pierre Trudeau. And you may recall Justin Trudeau.
He got in trouble for wearing black face to Halloween costume.
He did some Indian dancing when he was in India.
He's he's been made a clown more than once, and
it appears that he may have the clowned himself in
a super way. He was on a winning streak. Things
(04:37):
were going pretty well. His party had done a good
job of fighting the pandemic. And however, his party doesn't
have a majority in parliament. So he thought, okay, things
are going really great. People are psyched about us. They're
happy with the way we handled the pandemic. I'm gonna
call an election now and we'll get a majority, and
that'll be good because I'll be more powerful. People of
Canada didn't respond to this. They didn't like this. I
(04:58):
didn't sound like a good idea. No, they were like,
you ruin a good moment, Yes, he reached for one more?
Is not like the same concept is like someone like, hey,
you know what, that's where in a good moment, we're chilling.
Let's just decide if you want to be or not
part of the let's union. Yea. So now they've got
(05:22):
a fellow in the Conservative Party. His name is Erin O'Toole.
When I heard that name, Erin o'tool I pictured every
girl I grew up with in Boston was named Erin O'Toole,
and that was sort of what I pictured. But this
is actually like a bald, kind of boring looking guy,
and he's boring and modest and just sensible and common
sense and that's what they like up there in Canada.
And so it looks like he might prevail the election.
(05:44):
We'll see. It's coming up in a couple of days.
I think it's so interesting with countries have that thing
of like boring is appealing, you know, boring is like wow,
even more boring. You know, I need more of that
in institutions, and those are like the countries. That really works, yeah,
is when they're like, oh, boring people should be in charge,
not the fun people. It's not sexy, no, non sexy.
(06:10):
It's an asset in politics and it should be that way.
But not anymore. Actually, we need to talk about another
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election that happened this weekend. Happen in Argentina. Uh. They're
called pasto that it means. Uh, it's called primaries. It's
a weird thing because they're called primaries. Uh. Like I
mean like everyone, like every part of the spectrum is
part of these primaries. H And they're obligatory. You have
to you have to vote, and every party is like
(06:55):
at the same time throwing all these candidates and you know,
everyone votes, and then you get like who is like
the new distribution of power for Congress, you know. So
that's the way it works. And so that's one of
the reasons why we talked about like remember like a
couple of weeks ago with the Cappy Barras, they were
like invading this rich gated community in Argentina, and there
(07:18):
was like this whole fight about like cappy baras are
like the socialist animals taking their land back. And so
during that past the election, a guy decided to go
dress as a cappy bara as a political expression of freedom.
I mean, you can't be opposed to the capy beara, right,
he's on your side. I mean you mentioned the word invade,
(07:39):
but from what I heard of that story is actually
like rich people had invaded the copy beara landscape and
the cappy bearers right stuck around. Maybe look sounds like
I'm on the side of the rich people on this
on their side, cappy bars are invading. Now the two things, like, um,
there was a lot of tension because this is the
first election to really check on what happened with Fernandez
(08:03):
the president right now, with the two Fernandez you know,
like the the vice president Christina Fernandez and and the
actual president. And we I mean everyone was like, people
are happy, you're angry with the government because, I mean,
inflation is really bad. It's fift it's really really and
everyone said like, of course when you have like that,
(08:26):
like that amount of inflation, everyone hated the government. But
energergy is different, you know true, you know, passion and
good speeches and like putting your enemy and the father side.
You can make it work, you know so. But this
time it didn't work. This time it didn't work, and
people vote for the other side. People vote for like
the center right, if we can call it. And then
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this is the what was impressive is the third force
to emerge is this weirro called Javier Malay And let
me read like, let me write to you the Wikipedia
of this guy. Just like to understand the mind of
this dude. So first of all, he's a libertarian economist,
public speaker, sympathetic of the Austrian school of economics. Okay, yeah,
(09:16):
these guys are having a moment. The Austrian school. Guys.
They say that the Austrian School just they believe you
can just print as much money as you want. Nothing
bad's gonna happen. It's fine, that's my crude under They
don't believe in taxes. Yeah, they hate taxes. Well, he's
famous for he said, before rising Texas or creating attacks,
I'll amputate my arm. Okay, cool, so let me let
(09:40):
me let me read like a little bit of this guy.
So you understand we I mean, if you if you
check a picture of him, if you google have Vimlee,
you will see like a weirdo with this crazy eyes
and something I look like fake hair. Um, so they
are actually people like his friends called him the Wig.
(10:00):
That's how they call him. My first impression. Here, I'm
looking at a picture of him. He looks kind of
like that he should be in the British office. Yeah,
he sort of looks like him or something. Yeah, or
like you see him with Jeremy Clarkson, like hosting a
car show in the UK. Yeah, his hair is not right.
It's something like the beat. It's like nineties, eighties and
sixties all at once. All the ones is a mess.
(10:24):
And well, this is like a little bit of his biography.
He was a goalkeeper for cha like a soccer team.
Then he was he had a band called Everest, which
played mostly rolling stone covers. And then he declared on
TV a couple of weeks ago that he never had
visited his parents and he and both of them are
(10:47):
dead to him. Uh so he called his parents monsters.
That's terrible. I don't want any politician that's not friends
with their parents. That seems like a basic I mean,
once again, it's like this car. There are all over
the world right now, like these weirdos that come from nowhere.
They just like use the internet to grow. Uh. They
(11:08):
have a little bit of a little bit of Trump
in in them, but at the same time they mix
it up with the local culture. And Argentina is a
crazy mix. You know. Argentina is like a really powerful, weird,
extreme way of living. So this this is a character
to patient. I mean, I really really recommend he gives speeches,
(11:29):
and he's he started like a speech. I think he's
changed to sing a song from Larenga that is like
a heavy metal band from Argentina in the middle of
the speech. Uh so, yeah, we're talking about that kind
of person. I see that he's been calling and has
a friendly relationship with Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of the
Peruvian Bolsonaro, that is exactly like Trump Jr. It's a
(11:54):
very weird kind of song just on social media, talking
about driving these crazy and that kind of stuff. There's
a little too much of like politics is about driving.
The other crier tears lefties, and this attitude seems to
be spreading all over the world where it's it's like
the real point is just to drive the other side bananas,
(12:17):
and that's just not a healthy listen. I think Latin
America it's the place for this because we grew up
with soccer as a way to express or angry to
the other you know. It was like, Okay, we hate
the people of the other team, and we're just gonna
drive them crazy, and we're gonna make fun of them
in school, We're gonna make fun of them when we
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go we would see each other on the streets, we're
gonna like scream to each other. That's that's the way
to do it. And now politics is the news teams,
you know, So it's it's the same expressions in the
same way of like played a game. It's like the
gamification of yeah, politics, Yes, we're seeing a lot of costumes,
(12:58):
a lot of games, a lot of weird attitudes. I'm
not sure how I feel about it. It seems like
a dangerous way to go, but who knows. It doesn't
seem like it's going to be good for like keeping
the currency stable. No, it's not helping the currencies. Um
by the way, well, we were we were checking what
was happening in Salvador. Remember, like with the I don't
(13:19):
know if we talk about this last episode, like go ahead,
it happened. Now Bitcoin's official currency in a Salvador. People
were not happy. Do you see the videos on the street.
People were destroying stuff. People were not Yeah, they were
not exciting about this. I tried to follow it in
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the world was happy. I tried to follow. Like if
you any store, any place in al Salvadore now has
to take bitcoins and then you convert them into something
called like a stable coin, which represents dollars, but you
don't necessarily get the how to get your bitcoins into dollars.
Seems like it's going to be an enduring problem. Mm hmmm.
(14:01):
And I just preferred dollars. Dollars are pieces of paper,
They have a nice picture on them. They tell a
little story. I don't know about the bitcoin. We have
(14:23):
another story. Uh you told me about mel Gibson going
crazy again? Oh yeah, this is great. Okay. So I
saw a video. It was on it's been apparently released
by Mel Gibson himself, and it's mel Gibson talking about
he's talking. Mel Gibson, as you may know, is a
fairly passionate Catholic despite his um life of sexual debauchery
and mayhem Um. But he has strong opinions about sort
(14:46):
of the Catholic Church staying really traditional. And in the
video he talks about how the bishops he's worried, he
doesn't know who's hiring these bishops, these Catholic bishops that
you have these days, they didn't help him on the
Passion of the car Ice. They're not sticking up for
the traditional Mass. And mel Gibson speculates who's hiring these
bishops and he says, is it Francis, the current Pope?
(15:07):
Is it Francis? Is it pacha mama? And this really
caught my attention, Yeah, this caught my attention. Pacha mama
a word for this sort of mother goddess that we
see in the indigenous culture of Yeh Bolivia, Peru, the
deep regions of South America. We have this pacha mama.
(15:28):
I don't know how much there's a specific real concept
of pacha mama in many UM churches and places in
Um Latin America. You'll find a sort of blending of
the Virgin Mary and traditional sort of mother goddess figure
on the on the cathedral in La Pause. In fact,
you can even see a carving that looks like it's
(15:49):
sort of a big woman giving birth, and people are like, yeah,
that's Patre Mama. They just called carved you into the
Catholic Church. But this idea of pat Mama has become
a real sort of paranoia among your traditionalist Catholic kind
of people. They're terrified that Patre Mama is on the
move and the Patre Mama cult is going to replace
um Catholicism, and they're nervous about it. Now. To me,
(16:12):
I think they're gonna will it into existence by their
very fear of it. You know, like you can't have
Mel Gibson talking about it without people saying, okay, yeah
you need more. Yeah. I feel that everything right now
I have to be mixed. I mean it's like every
company right now, it's like we're going green. We we were,
(16:33):
you know, like we were non GMO or I mean
like everything now. So this is like Catholics being like, hey,
we also love the earth. You know, right, God is
the Earth. Earth is God. You know makes sense. You know,
when you're saving the planet, you're you're you're part of God.
On God's side. So I think it's a great rebranding.
(16:53):
I mean, I think like if the Catholicisms go green, yeah,
we great news, right. I think the current the current
Pope Francis who is Argentinian, and he has been He's
issued many papal declarations and papers and things about how
we're turning the earth into a gigantic garbage dump and
(17:15):
we need to do a better job of taking care
of the earth. It's a theme of his and the
mel Gibson kind of faction is not into that. That
sounds too much like Pacha Mama worship to them, and
they're afraid of it. Is like Jesus is into factories
and yeah, carbon. If you read the Bible, you'll find
him everywhere burning carbon and fossil fuels. What about the
(17:38):
part of the Bible when Jesus is fragging, There's no
there's no fragging in the Bible. Jesus visits many natural
gas and oil wells and proves of them. You'll find
that everywhere. He spits on a solar farm. I'm pretty
sure that's in Matthew. You'll see that wherever you turn
in the Bible. Yeah, I I think that Um, the
(17:59):
idea of being afraid of Pa pa Mama cult is interesting.
I like that these guys have latched onto this specific
dark vision of like a demonic indigenous did you and
growing up until what with patre Mama anything anybody talked about?
Is that a Chilean concept? Talk to me when you
when you talk about someone that is like, I mean,
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this is not now, this is when I was growing up.
But when you talk about someone was like annoying and
always talking about like his connection with the land and
probably smoking weed and being like these people who talk
too much about weed, you know, um and even a
little bit like we does not for talking about Yeah,
it's just like you smoke it. Shut up, golfe. I'm
(18:44):
not talking about coffee. Uh So I we call those
people like, oh, there's another guy who's like talking about
them all the time and no annoying. It was like
something annoying at the time, And I think now it's
(19:04):
different because now loving the earth is kind of cool,
it's kind of sexy. People want to be that person.
Uh but yeah, I remember like I was mourning the
mel Gibson side when I was growing up, just hating
patomic dudes. Right, But you just hated sort of tvous donors. Yeah,
tedious downers that also I have all the girls. It
(19:27):
was it was very you were very successful guy. If
you when you were seventeen or eighteen, you didn't take
showers and you are like loving the ground and the
animals and playing guitar. You know. Yeah, it's it's it's
it's those kind of guys really get laid and that
(19:48):
was why I hate him. Pastre Mama digs it. Well, Yeah,
we're definitely gonna be keeping an eye on the the
Patre Mama cult that is giving Mel Gibson the willies
and uh, he's on the move. The battle of God
versus Pacha Mama. Now, to me, I don't see why
they can't co exist and be friendly. But my beliefs
are maybe not deep about it. Like the I mean,
(20:12):
Jesus was carbon neutral, there was zero he walked everywhere
or organic. Yeah, so think about that now. Mel Gibson
he made Apocalypto, which I thought it was a very
cool movie. It had my attention, But what what was
(20:32):
the response? Yeah, tell me how that played. Were you
living in South America when um Apocalypto came out? How
did that go? Over. Was there anybody who's like, this
is screwed up? I mean, basically the movie. I don't
want to spoil it for you. There's a lot of
twists and turns in the movie, but we see h
a dude who's in danger of getting sacrificed. And then
the end, the very end of the movie, we see
(20:53):
some spoiler alert. If you want to don't want Apocalypto
ruin for you, here's your warning. Then we see at
the end the Spanish ships have arrived, and that's it's
sort of implied that this is a happy ending for
these people. Yeah, it's like, guys survive. I think they're
going to kill everyone, even like it was about to
be sacrificed. So, um, yeah, I I remember like this.
(21:17):
There was a follow up movie after um, Jesus The
Passion of Christ, Yes he made the Passion, Yeah, which
I remember seeing and that was also pretty wild. I mean, um,
really wild movie. I remember that. That's the movie that
everyone was like, what what, what, what's going on here?
That was that was that knocked up my socks off
(21:38):
in many ways. First of all, as a monster hit right,
it was in an ancient language that they had to
find some scholars to teach people, and then the really
leaned into the violence and the suffering. And it's a movie.
It's it's a lot of blood, it's a guy being
(21:58):
tourcher by for to hours. You know, it's just it's
just watching Jesus being torture. And I remember like there
were some sequences with like the Devil, wasn't it. Yeah,
there's a sort of people snary devil creature that comes by, Yeah,
and it's it's pretty nasty stuff. Well, in Chile was
like the most watched movie of the year. Everybody was
(22:18):
talking about this and it was like you have to
see it. And I remember like I went to see it.
I was like in shock because I was like sixteen
or seventeen, and I remember like rook around me in
the movie theater and everyone was crying watching this. So
make a big impact in Latin America with that movie.
And then when he made apocalyp Tope, I think it
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was like, no, well, I mean you were just like
making me cry with Jesus, give me more of that,
and now you're giving me like this adventure with the natives.
So yeah, people kind of like just skip it. I
don't think there was like a lot of angry towards it,
but like people didn't didn't connect with it because they
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just came out from like Jesus being being torcher for
three hours, right, they wanted more Jesus torture. That that
really hits hits a sweet spot with the film goer.
I thought, Latin America, it's like, exactly the kind of
movie people will watch is a drama, hardcore drama with Jesus,
isn't it. Yeah, I mean people are down for that. Yeah.
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I mean part of the story that movie was that,
you know, Hollywood would never think to make a movie
like this, and this kind of eccentric guy without a
ton of sort of institutional support, knew what people wanted,
which was Jesus getting tortured and delivered and people went
crazy for it, and he wanted money and then he
was pulled over and saying anti Semitic remarks to a
(23:44):
police officer and various other incidents that have marked a
tumultuous life. But as a filmmaker, there's a body of
work there that is hard to argue with the I
remember watching the movie by accident, like on cable, and
there's there's such a thing I'm watching a movie by accident.
I don't know, maybe not, but I watched a movie
called The Beaver. Okay, yeah, tell me about this who
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was like a guy who couldn't speak and then he
found the puppet and this puppet like make him talk again.
And the guy was mel Gibson rightly directed? Was she involved?
I think Jody Foster directed it. After all this graziness,
it's like, which movie you're gonna how's going to be
(24:31):
your compact as a guy who speaked through a puppet.
I got a puppet movie and I'm back. I don't know.
I I think mel Gibson is. It's like those kind
of characters. It was like it's addictive to watch what
they're doing and where which decisions are taking, but at
the same time they're hurting the humanity doing all of
(24:53):
what they do. Yeah, I mean watching the video of
mel Gibson talking about Patre Mama and his fears about it.
He there's an energy there of a guy who's intense
beyond the normal settings for humans. It would be a lot,
I think to be in his presence or hang out
with but in this podcast we are on Mama's side. Yeah,
(25:16):
I think we're probe I I don't think. I don't
know that there have to be two sides here. I
think Pacha Mama is a concept, is very cool and winning,
and Mother Earth is how can you not? How can
you be against Mother Earth? I don't consider the enemy.
I'm down with it. So we went through Latina's in Canada,
Javier Malay down in Argentina, the Copy Barrick Costume Man,
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and Mel Gibson's um Fear of the South American Mother Goddess.
I think that's a pretty good episode of Four from
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Well, when it is dis when's no chase, if it's
nighttime where you are. This is Steve Healey and I'm
here with my good friend Fabritio Capano on our wonderful
show for From the South. Hello everyone, Thank you for
the people who are listening and tweeting back at us.
That feels nice. We're starting to get a little audience community,
and that's what we really want to build, a community
(00:38):
across the America's and beyond movement. It's from the South
is not just a podcast, it's a movement. So hit
us up. You can find us for From the South
on Twitter, four from the South at gmail, um so
fab Today we've got, as usual, at least four stories
from big Latin America. I wanted to start with a
story though that's from a place we may not think
(01:01):
of as part of Latin America, but it might be,
and that is the nation of Canada. I was watching
the US go ahead, they yeah, they don't want to
be I think they don't really don't want to be. Yeah.
I was watching the US Women's Open final yesterday and
there was a Canadian latina in the event. Her name
(01:22):
is Layla Fernandez. She lost unfortunately to a British born
woman of Romanian and Chinese. I think ancestry uh named
rod Emma Rodokadu. But Layla Fernandez is the daughter of
an Ecuadorian soccer player. His name is Jorge and she
was born in Montreal. I think, and so did Does
(01:44):
she count as Latina? Do you think? I think she counts.
And I think we we as Latina's. We should celebrate
everyone that even let have one per cent of Latina blood,
like we should celebrate I remember when the nineties when
there was like not a level of Latinos in the media.
Every time there was someone with like a little bit
(02:06):
of Latino Is in their blood, we were like, yeah,
that's one of us is making it. We should just
all be behind that person. So I approved this person
me as the guy who decide who is Latino or not.
We are claiming Fernandez of Canada as a Latina and
good on her. She didn't win the US Open, but
(02:27):
she did give a very stirring speech after coming in second,
and I think she has the heart of a champion
for sure, and we'll be expecting great things from her.
I was looking into it, and Canada is about two
percent Latino according to the stats. But you fab one
of the first people include me into the idea that
the number of Latinos can be pretty flexible. I know. Yeah,
(02:48):
we we always I mean something that Latino's hate our
order Latinos, so we do all that was this thing
of like, oh, no, no, no, I'm I'm not Latino,
I've been here forever. Just yeah with me as carcussion
or like just a white dude. And even like I mean,
Latinos kind of disappear in every census because they decided
to stop calling themselve Latinas. So we don't really know
(03:11):
how many are they in Canada? Gotcha? Yeah, Well, in Canada,
according to um Wikipedia, which is where I get most
of my data, about two percent of Canadians are Latinos.
Here in the United States, it's about eighteen percent. And
here this data is from the cents, so it might change.
And here in California, my home state and your homestatety
eight percent of the people are Latino, which is got
(03:32):
to be the bigger numbers. Yeah here Texas. But as
any conversation about a category like that is a little strange. UM,
it's hard to fit people in and how people define
themselves on the census can change how people think about
themselves their cultural identity. Part of the theme of this podcast,
I think is that the Latino world includes all of us,
(03:53):
even if we wouldn't necessarily check that box on the
sense it's it's not it's not ethnicity. It's just like
a way of leaving your life. It's a way of being,
a way of chilling. Well, I was interested in it.
I'll make our second story another story from Canada. They're
having an election up there in Canada. They have a
pretty boy Prime minister, Justin Trudeau, whose father was himself
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Prime Minister of Pierre Trudeau. And you may recall Justin Trudeau.
He got in trouble for wearing black face to Halloween costume.
He did some Indian dancing when he was in India.
He's he's been made a clown more than once, and
it appears that he may have the clowned himself in
a super way. He was on a winning streak. Things
(04:37):
were going pretty well. His party had done a good
job of fighting the pandemic. And however, his party doesn't
have a majority in parliament. So he thought, okay, things
are going really great. People are psyched about us. They're
happy with the way we handled the pandemic. I'm gonna
call an election now and we'll get a majority, and
that'll be good because I'll be more powerful. People of
Canada didn't respond to this. They didn't like this. I
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didn't sound like a good idea. No, they were like,
you ruin a good moment, Yes, he reached for one more?
Is not like the same concept is like someone like, hey,
you know what, that's where in a good moment, we're chilling.
Let's just decide if you want to be or not
part of the let's union. Yea. So now they've got
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a fellow in the Conservative Party. His name is Erin O'Toole.
When I heard that name, Erin o'tool I pictured every
girl I grew up with in Boston was named Erin O'Toole,
and that was sort of what I pictured. But this
is actually like a bald, kind of boring looking guy,
and he's boring and modest and just sensible and common
sense and that's what they like up there in Canada.
And so it looks like he might prevail the election.
(05:44):
We'll see. It's coming up in a couple of days.
I think it's so interesting with countries have that thing
of like boring is appealing, you know, boring is like wow,
even more boring. You know, I need more of that
in institutions, and those are like the countries. That really works, yeah,
is when they're like, oh, boring people should be in charge,
not the fun people. It's not sexy, no, non sexy.
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It's an asset in politics and it should be that way.
But not anymore. Actually, we need to talk about another
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election that happened this weekend. Happen in Argentina. Uh. They're
called pasto that it means. Uh, it's called primaries. It's
a weird thing because they're called primaries. Uh. Like I
mean like everyone, like every part of the spectrum is
part of these primaries. H And they're obligatory. You have
to you have to vote, and every party is like
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at the same time throwing all these candidates and you know,
everyone votes, and then you get like who is like
the new distribution of power for Congress, you know. So
that's the way it works. And so that's one of
the reasons why we talked about like remember like a
couple of weeks ago with the Cappy Barras, they were
like invading this rich gated community in Argentina, and there
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was like this whole fight about like cappy baras are
like the socialist animals taking their land back. And so
during that past the election, a guy decided to go
dress as a cappy bara as a political expression of freedom.
I mean, you can't be opposed to the capy beara, right,
he's on your side. I mean you mentioned the word invade,
(07:39):
but from what I heard of that story is actually
like rich people had invaded the copy beara landscape and
the cappy bearers right stuck around. Maybe look sounds like
I'm on the side of the rich people on this
on their side, cappy bars are invading. Now the two things, like, um,
there was a lot of tension because this is the
first election to really check on what happened with Fernandez
(08:03):
the president right now, with the two Fernandez you know,
like the the vice president Christina Fernandez and and the
actual president. And we I mean everyone was like, people
are happy, you're angry with the government because, I mean,
inflation is really bad. It's fift it's really really and
everyone said like, of course when you have like that,
(08:26):
like that amount of inflation, everyone hated the government. But
energergy is different, you know true, you know, passion and
good speeches and like putting your enemy and the father side.
You can make it work, you know so. But this
time it didn't work. This time it didn't work, and
people vote for the other side. People vote for like
the center right, if we can call it. And then
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this is the what was impressive is the third force
to emerge is this weirro called Javier Malay And let
me read like, let me write to you the Wikipedia
of this guy. Just like to understand the mind of
this dude. So first of all, he's a libertarian economist,
public speaker, sympathetic of the Austrian school of economics. Okay, yeah,
(09:16):
these guys are having a moment. The Austrian school. Guys.
They say that the Austrian School just they believe you
can just print as much money as you want. Nothing
bad's gonna happen. It's fine, that's my crude under They
don't believe in taxes. Yeah, they hate taxes. Well, he's
famous for he said, before rising Texas or creating attacks,
I'll amputate my arm. Okay, cool, so let me let
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me let me read like a little bit of this guy.
So you understand we I mean, if you if you
check a picture of him, if you google have Vimlee,
you will see like a weirdo with this crazy eyes
and something I look like fake hair. Um, so they
are actually people like his friends called him the Wig.
(10:00):
That's how they call him. My first impression. Here, I'm
looking at a picture of him. He looks kind of
like that he should be in the British office. Yeah,
he sort of looks like him or something. Yeah, or
like you see him with Jeremy Clarkson, like hosting a
car show in the UK. Yeah, his hair is not right.
It's something like the beat. It's like nineties, eighties and
sixties all at once. All the ones is a mess.
(10:24):
And well, this is like a little bit of his biography.
He was a goalkeeper for cha like a soccer team.
Then he was he had a band called Everest, which
played mostly rolling stone covers. And then he declared on
TV a couple of weeks ago that he never had
visited his parents and he and both of them are
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dead to him. Uh so he called his parents monsters.
That's terrible. I don't want any politician that's not friends
with their parents. That seems like a basic I mean,
once again, it's like this car. There are all over
the world right now, like these weirdos that come from nowhere.
They just like use the internet to grow. Uh. They
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have a little bit of a little bit of Trump
in in them, but at the same time they mix
it up with the local culture. And Argentina is a
crazy mix. You know. Argentina is like a really powerful, weird,
extreme way of living. So this this is a character
to patient. I mean, I really really recommend he gives speeches,
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and he's he started like a speech. I think he's
changed to sing a song from Larenga that is like
a heavy metal band from Argentina in the middle of
the speech. Uh so, yeah, we're talking about that kind
of person. I see that he's been calling and has
a friendly relationship with Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of the
Peruvian Bolsonaro, that is exactly like Trump Jr. It's a
(11:54):
very weird kind of song just on social media, talking
about driving these crazy and that kind of stuff. There's
a little too much of like politics is about driving.
The other crier tears lefties, and this attitude seems to
be spreading all over the world where it's it's like
the real point is just to drive the other side bananas,
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and that's just not a healthy listen. I think Latin
America it's the place for this because we grew up
with soccer as a way to express or angry to
the other you know. It was like, Okay, we hate
the people of the other team, and we're just gonna
drive them crazy, and we're gonna make fun of them
in school, We're gonna make fun of them when we
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go we would see each other on the streets, we're
gonna like scream to each other. That's that's the way
to do it. And now politics is the news teams,
you know, So it's it's the same expressions in the
same way of like played a game. It's like the
gamification of yeah, politics, Yes, we're seeing a lot of costumes,
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a lot of games, a lot of weird attitudes. I'm
not sure how I feel about it. It seems like
a dangerous way to go, but who knows. It doesn't
seem like it's going to be good for like keeping
the currency stable. No, it's not helping the currencies. Um
by the way, well, we were we were checking what
was happening in Salvador. Remember, like with the I don't
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know if we talk about this last episode, like go ahead,
it happened. Now Bitcoin's official currency in a Salvador. People
were not happy. Do you see the videos on the street.
People were destroying stuff. People were not Yeah, they were
not exciting about this. I tried to follow it in
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the world was happy. I tried to follow. Like if
you any store, any place in al Salvadore now has
to take bitcoins and then you convert them into something
called like a stable coin, which represents dollars, but you
don't necessarily get the how to get your bitcoins into dollars.
Seems like it's going to be an enduring problem. Mm hmmm.
(14:01):
And I just preferred dollars. Dollars are pieces of paper,
They have a nice picture on them. They tell a
little story. I don't know about the bitcoin. We have
(14:23):
another story. Uh you told me about mel Gibson going
crazy again? Oh yeah, this is great. Okay. So I
saw a video. It was on it's been apparently released
by Mel Gibson himself, and it's mel Gibson talking about
he's talking. Mel Gibson, as you may know, is a
fairly passionate Catholic despite his um life of sexual debauchery
and mayhem Um. But he has strong opinions about sort
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of the Catholic Church staying really traditional. And in the
video he talks about how the bishops he's worried, he
doesn't know who's hiring these bishops, these Catholic bishops that
you have these days, they didn't help him on the
Passion of the car Ice. They're not sticking up for
the traditional Mass. And mel Gibson speculates who's hiring these
bishops and he says, is it Francis, the current Pope?
(15:07):
Is it Francis? Is it pacha mama? And this really
caught my attention, Yeah, this caught my attention. Pacha mama
a word for this sort of mother goddess that we
see in the indigenous culture of Yeh Bolivia, Peru, the
deep regions of South America. We have this pacha mama.
(15:28):
I don't know how much there's a specific real concept
of pacha mama in many UM churches and places in
Um Latin America. You'll find a sort of blending of
the Virgin Mary and traditional sort of mother goddess figure
on the on the cathedral in La Pause. In fact,
you can even see a carving that looks like it's
(15:49):
sort of a big woman giving birth, and people are like, yeah,
that's Patre Mama. They just called carved you into the
Catholic Church. But this idea of pat Mama has become
a real sort of paranoia among your traditionalist Catholic kind
of people. They're terrified that Patre Mama is on the
move and the Patre Mama cult is going to replace
um Catholicism, and they're nervous about it. Now. To me,
(16:12):
I think they're gonna will it into existence by their
very fear of it. You know, like you can't have
Mel Gibson talking about it without people saying, okay, yeah
you need more. Yeah. I feel that everything right now
I have to be mixed. I mean it's like every
company right now, it's like we're going green. We we were,
(16:33):
you know, like we were non GMO or I mean
like everything now. So this is like Catholics being like, hey,
we also love the earth. You know, right, God is
the Earth. Earth is God. You know makes sense. You know,
when you're saving the planet, you're you're you're part of God.
On God's side. So I think it's a great rebranding.
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I mean, I think like if the Catholicisms go green, yeah,
we great news, right. I think the current the current
Pope Francis who is Argentinian, and he has been He's
issued many papal declarations and papers and things about how
we're turning the earth into a gigantic garbage dump and
(17:15):
we need to do a better job of taking care
of the earth. It's a theme of his and the
mel Gibson kind of faction is not into that. That
sounds too much like Pacha Mama worship to them, and
they're afraid of it. Is like Jesus is into factories
and yeah, carbon. If you read the Bible, you'll find
him everywhere burning carbon and fossil fuels. What about the
(17:38):
part of the Bible when Jesus is fragging, There's no
there's no fragging in the Bible. Jesus visits many natural
gas and oil wells and proves of them. You'll find
that everywhere. He spits on a solar farm. I'm pretty
sure that's in Matthew. You'll see that wherever you turn
in the Bible. Yeah, I I think that Um, the
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idea of being afraid of Pa pa Mama cult is interesting.
I like that these guys have latched onto this specific
dark vision of like a demonic indigenous did you and
growing up until what with patre Mama anything anybody talked about?
Is that a Chilean concept? Talk to me when you
when you talk about someone that is like, I mean,
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this is not now, this is when I was growing up.
But when you talk about someone was like annoying and
always talking about like his connection with the land and
probably smoking weed and being like these people who talk
too much about weed, you know, um and even a
little bit like we does not for talking about Yeah,
it's just like you smoke it. Shut up, golfe. I'm
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not talking about coffee. Uh So I we call those
people like, oh, there's another guy who's like talking about
them all the time and no annoying. It was like
something annoying at the time, And I think now it's
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different because now loving the earth is kind of cool,
it's kind of sexy. People want to be that person.
Uh but yeah, I remember like I was mourning the
mel Gibson side when I was growing up, just hating
patomic dudes. Right, But you just hated sort of tvous donors. Yeah,
tedious downers that also I have all the girls. It
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was it was very you were very successful guy. If
you when you were seventeen or eighteen, you didn't take
showers and you are like loving the ground and the
animals and playing guitar. You know. Yeah, it's it's it's
it's those kind of guys really get laid and that
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was why I hate him. Pastre Mama digs it. Well, Yeah,
we're definitely gonna be keeping an eye on the the
Patre Mama cult that is giving Mel Gibson the willies
and uh, he's on the move. The battle of God
versus Pacha Mama. Now, to me, I don't see why
they can't co exist and be friendly. But my beliefs
are maybe not deep about it. Like the I mean,
(20:12):
Jesus was carbon neutral, there was zero he walked everywhere
or organic. Yeah, so think about that now. Mel Gibson
he made Apocalypto, which I thought it was a very
cool movie. It had my attention, But what what was
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the response? Yeah, tell me how that played. Were you
living in South America when um Apocalypto came out? How
did that go? Over. Was there anybody who's like, this
is screwed up? I mean, basically the movie. I don't
want to spoil it for you. There's a lot of
twists and turns in the movie, but we see h
a dude who's in danger of getting sacrificed. And then
the end, the very end of the movie, we see
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some spoiler alert. If you want to don't want Apocalypto
ruin for you, here's your warning. Then we see at
the end the Spanish ships have arrived, and that's it's
sort of implied that this is a happy ending for
these people. Yeah, it's like, guys survive. I think they're
going to kill everyone, even like it was about to
be sacrificed. So, um, yeah, I I remember like this.
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There was a follow up movie after um, Jesus The
Passion of Christ, Yes he made the Passion, Yeah, which
I remember seeing and that was also pretty wild. I mean, um,
really wild movie. I remember that. That's the movie that
everyone was like, what what, what, what's going on here?
That was that was that knocked up my socks off
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in many ways. First of all, as a monster hit right,
it was in an ancient language that they had to
find some scholars to teach people, and then the really
leaned into the violence and the suffering. And it's a movie.
It's it's a lot of blood, it's a guy being
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tourcher by for to hours. You know, it's just it's
just watching Jesus being torture. And I remember like there
were some sequences with like the Devil, wasn't it. Yeah,
there's a sort of people snary devil creature that comes by, Yeah,
and it's it's pretty nasty stuff. Well, in Chile was
like the most watched movie of the year. Everybody was
(22:18):
talking about this and it was like you have to
see it. And I remember like I went to see it.
I was like in shock because I was like sixteen
or seventeen, and I remember like rook around me in
the movie theater and everyone was crying watching this. So
make a big impact in Latin America with that movie.
And then when he made apocalyp Tope, I think it
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was like, no, well, I mean you were just like
making me cry with Jesus, give me more of that,
and now you're giving me like this adventure with the natives.
So yeah, people kind of like just skip it. I
don't think there was like a lot of angry towards it,
but like people didn't didn't connect with it because they
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just came out from like Jesus being being torcher for
three hours, right, they wanted more Jesus torture. That that
really hits hits a sweet spot with the film goer.
I thought, Latin America, it's like, exactly the kind of
movie people will watch is a drama, hardcore drama with Jesus,
isn't it. Yeah, I mean people are down for that. Yeah.
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I mean part of the story that movie was that,
you know, Hollywood would never think to make a movie
like this, and this kind of eccentric guy without a
ton of sort of institutional support, knew what people wanted,
which was Jesus getting tortured and delivered and people went
crazy for it, and he wanted money and then he
was pulled over and saying anti Semitic remarks to a
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police officer and various other incidents that have marked a
tumultuous life. But as a filmmaker, there's a body of
work there that is hard to argue with the I
remember watching the movie by accident, like on cable, and
there's there's such a thing I'm watching a movie by accident.
I don't know, maybe not, but I watched a movie
called The Beaver. Okay, yeah, tell me about this who
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was like a guy who couldn't speak and then he
found the puppet and this puppet like make him talk again.
And the guy was mel Gibson rightly directed? Was she involved?
I think Jody Foster directed it. After all this graziness,
it's like, which movie you're gonna how's going to be
(24:31):
your compact as a guy who speaked through a puppet.
I got a puppet movie and I'm back. I don't know.
I I think mel Gibson is. It's like those kind
of characters. It was like it's addictive to watch what
they're doing and where which decisions are taking, but at
the same time they're hurting the humanity doing all of
(24:53):
what they do. Yeah, I mean watching the video of
mel Gibson talking about Patre Mama and his fears about it.
He there's an energy there of a guy who's intense
beyond the normal settings for humans. It would be a lot,
I think to be in his presence or hang out
with but in this podcast we are on Mama's side. Yeah,
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I think we're probe I I don't think. I don't
know that there have to be two sides here. I
think Pacha Mama is a concept, is very cool and winning,
and Mother Earth is how can you not? How can
you be against Mother Earth? I don't consider the enemy.
I'm down with it. So we went through Latina's in Canada,
Javier Malay down in Argentina, the Copy Barrick Costume Man,
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and Mel Gibson's um Fear of the South American Mother Goddess.
I think that's a pretty good episode of Four from
the South. Thank you so much for joining us. Please
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if you have some stories we need to be following.
We're trying to do our best to help you get
a little bit of information and entertainment about the big
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Latino world that we're all becoming a part of. Thank
you everyone, Bye bye. Four from the South is hosted
by Me, Steve Healey, and Fabrizio Capano. Robert O'Shaughnessy is
our producer. Original theme song by Amy Stolsenbach. Four from
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