July 25, 2025 • 41 mins
This is NOT a Flashback Friday, this is really happening!After thirty years, Andrea Zuckerman and Jesse Vasquez are back together on the small screen and their chemistry is still off the charts!In this pinch me episode of 9021OMG, Gabrielle Carteris and Mark Damon Espinoza join Tori and Jen for a reunion to remember.
Rewind to the 90s as Mark talks about feeling panic on the set of 90210, while Gabrielle reveals the REAL reason she left after season five.
Plus, hear how their TV love story lives on in the new series "Middlehood" streaming now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nine O Gene one O engine with Jenny Garth
and Tory spelling.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay, they're back. Hoo's back, the ogs Andrea and Jesse.
What Yes, Gabrielle and Mark are back and they're in
a new show. This is so mata. This is like
the nine two O twenty twenty five. Someone did it first.
(00:32):
They're back and screen together and we get to talk
to them. Ready, I'm ready, Yes, how.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Are you good?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You guys look so great. This is so surreal. We've
seen both of you in real life. It's not like
we haven't seen you since the show ended.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But I know we're not together.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You haven't seen no, not together and not like on
a zoom. This is like they're hugging, they're kissing.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh my goodness, yeah, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Charlie says it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What a nice husband.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I know, he said, honey, if it makes you happy, but.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow, you could really go run with that.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By the way, we've been married almost thirty four years.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, my gosh, I was I was just thinking about
your wedding last night.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Wait, what tell me about it?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
In Santa Barbara, I forget Really, Jenny, my niece still
talks about because you guys, you know how everybody was
wearing like them. You guys put like napkins on your
heads or something.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Why would we do this?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know. I have actual pictures of it. But
Jenny was holding Rebecca, my other niece. Sid wasn't born yet,
and Rebecca was so attached to Jenny like Jenny were
when she would like follow her around.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh my god? Was it?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was it the Force Seasons in Santa Barbara? Yeah, I
remember vaguely.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It was. I kind of remember it. You know, I
don't look at the videos. I don't get the videos
from the what not. No, I don't not that I
don't know, but yes, it was there. It was Tori.
That was a long time ago, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But let's talk about your TV hubby.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh my, he's my yeah forever. Wait can you explain
to us why you're together, both of you there in
that in the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Why we're together outside? Yeah, that's just to beat We're
going to promote a little independent series that we worked on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He worked on.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I came on actually to do as a cameo. Mark say, Gabrielle,
do you want to go and do this? You know
this little thing that I'm working on and I independent project,
and I said for you absolutely will go and do it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Have fun.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's turned out to be a really amazing project.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Wait, we're talking about Middlehood, you guys. I want everybody
to know who's listening. We're talking about a show called Middlehood.
It's an eight episode series that is streaming right now
on demand on Amazon Prime Video.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And it is an independent implex complex, but it is
the first independent project that's been nominated for an Emmy.
I'm sorry. I qualified for qualified, qualified real quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
To be available on pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay Amazon.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I binge watched all eight episodes last night. It is
so good.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm reading for it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The last episode. Gab, Oh my god, I want more.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
When you see her on screen, when you see Jesse's
like leaning back and thinking something that you call.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I called her Kelly last week first time ever.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
People still people will still stopping and say, you're that
bartender and you're a cheating bartenders, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Cheating, cheating bartender.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, no, but when when Gab came on screen in Middlehood?
I was like, or when when?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not until the very last moment of the entire show.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And if it's picked up. I'll come back after.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's a great moment.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I got chills, Like I was like, oh, could you
feel the chemistry tour?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Like, were you like they still got it? Oh, the
chemistry is still hot after all these years.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I love that, And we haven't we haven't been out
of touch since we bet.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Our friendship has definitely grown, you know, like when we
talk about the gifts of the show, about our relationships
and stuff. My my love for Mark, for him's friendship
has been the gift of one of the gifts for
me from the show.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Likewise, and people, I think people get sick of hearing it,
Like they want to hear the bad stuff they want
to hear, and I can't. I can'tnot tell the truth
that I'm a terrible liar unless you're pay me.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I want to talk more about I think we should
talk more about the middle the show Middlehood, But first,
can we just talk about nine twenty for a second.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well it's so meta because okay, okay, so you want
to go back I do. First time it all began,
I do, I do.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, okay, just for a little bit, all right, where
do you want to go?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, gab you were on the show. Tell me refresh
my memory please. Tory probably remembers, but you left in
season five.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I left in season five after I had had Kelsey.
I took a year. I did the show for a year,
and then I moved.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
On What tell Us? Why Why did you leave us?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
There are many reasons I left. There's the There are
many reasons. Many. One is that I don't think they
knew how to write for me anymore. I think that
really tough. You know, from when I went to your
dad Tory and said I wanted a baby, and that
he was so shocked that I had gone to him.
He said, he really thought I was going to come
and tell him how I was pregnant. But I actually
(05:56):
asked to have lunch with him to talk to him
about Charlie and I wanted to get pregnant. And he said, wow,
that you're asking me and you're just didn't do it.
He said, yeah, okay, And I said, but I don't
want to hide it, you know, I really I don't
want to hide it behind books or whatever. And that
was not something that was common in those days.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I mean later, were you were you ovulating when
you took that meeting.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know, I don't know if I was ovulating, I
just would be good. I was, so your dad was
cool about it, so I actually but it was later
on that you guys were able to be pregnant on
the show. But it was when I got pregnant, that's
when and your dad was so respectful, he didn't have
me hide it. And that's when Mark came on to
be you know, he was the father of my baby.
(06:41):
And then when Na but so much happened. I mean
New York Times wrote stuff like, how dare you have
a smart person? You know you've done this to Andrea.
She would never smart people, They wouldn't get pregnant. I
wrote back, I did a whole thing saying that's ridiculous.
Intellect has nothing to do with this whatever. And anyway,
they did know how to write for me after that,
(07:01):
and it was just a matter of it was just time.
It was not you know, I was wanting something more,
I think, and they just it wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So I moved on. You didn't ask us, You didn't
ask us. Yeah, you didn't consult with us, So you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Know, I was really shy. We've talked about this before.
I don't. I felt like I didn't know how to
talk about how I felt on the show with you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I felt so you never had that conversation while you're on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
They didn't even know I was right. I think everything
just happened because I was so over. I was so
felt like I didn't belong. That's why, Wow, we.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Lost our dead mom. Who else was going to corral us?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think I was irritating to everybody talks about it
like it's irritating. I like you, but it's irritating.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh I love you, but you're so irritating.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's why you guys had reboot all the time. Oh
my god, we.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
On point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You were so good in BH nine. No, I couldn't
take it right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
She was perfect, crying, you guys are so.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So jen ear muffs, ear muffs? Okay, So Andrea and
Jesse break up. She hasn't know yet. We haven't gotten
to that, does we have?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Didn't she come home and she said they're having problems. Yes,
Like I have my ear muffs on and I can
still her hear word by the way, euffs?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So wait, Gab, was it in season eight or season ten?
When you come back again and again and again. Do
you tell us that you guys are divorcing?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The first time I come back, I think, right, I'm having.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Problems, problems at Steve's party.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yes, I get a call from something happens and I'm
just devastated. Was it Steve's party? I remember what I wore.
Huh yeah, Queen Mary, I remember the Queen Mary?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
What what?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
What happened on the phone on the other end of
the phone, I think.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I don't remember, except that I cried, like I was
crying like that was it?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He was.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We were separated at the time, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Don't know, Yeah, yeah, you did, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
When I left, they I didn't know anything other than what.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
People were so mad that I left the show. They
were mad at me because they were like, you know,
that means that Mark's not going to be able to
be on the show. As your fault. I was like,
I was just making personal choices. I wasn't saying. Don't
like it was terrible. It was hard.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Land. You guys did divorce ultimately, Mark, do you know that.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I didn't realize we divorced.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You divorced, and I believe you were with other people.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, separated. I don't know that we divorced, separate.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Separated, and then had an affair with Juliete Binoche. I
think that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
There, you go wow. Okay, so let's go with this story.
So Jesse and Juliette Binoche. She was a good step
mom to Hannah. You guys are together, Andrea, let's say,
is there was someone else? Where are we today? If
it's nine O two O twenty twenty five? We want
(10:25):
to hope you guys got well. I got choked up there.
We want to hope you guys got back together.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
All do.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We're grandparents? Yeah, we're very good friends and we probably know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Are you friends with benefits?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And me says no, you guys got back together?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Do we get back together?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Okay, we'll just go that way.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yes, yes, Oh I'm so happy.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know what? Too bad? I'm the real mother.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You are, you are the real mother of all. Wait, okay,
did we talk about nine or two and o enough?
Do you think tour well?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Where would they be today? Okay, so but give a
little more, you guys. You can create anything in.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The actually medical program at Yale. Okay, that's research, answer, research, research, okay,
and you.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
A retired lawyer, wealthy? I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Then we're you know, more kids. We have kids. We
have Hannah more can but yeah, babies though, and we adopted.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, are you adopting? Great? Good? Okay, now your grandparents?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, wait, where's Hannah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Oh? Where is Hannah? She's living in She.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Would be the star of a reboot if there was one.
How Hannah would be? How old you guys are?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Bad at bath? She moved to Switzerland?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What she just said? She moved us with her Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Thirty one thirty one thirty one one? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like we would have to go, like come
back in through her eyes because throughout the series she
was the only like of the mean cast, the baby.
There's no one else, no one else had a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
She's going to actually tell the story, our life story.
We saved everything for her and she knows it, and
she's going to actually share that story. She's writing right now.
Actually she's a writer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
She's writing a memoir and then they're going to make
it into a series, an indie series.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But she does she does actually a lot of writing.
She's a recognized writer. There you go, in fact, she's
almost you know, she's on the verge of being kind
of like kind of like what's her name? Who wrote
Harry Potter series, she'd be that famous.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh my god, you know my cap. I'm sitting here
listening to you like you're just improving and making shut up.
But I believe you because you're so good at telling
the story. Like I feel like this really happened.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm so like in, well, it's really exciting. She's lived
a very exciting life, Jenny, and I know that you're
looking forward to seeing you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Guys, let's talk about the show. I love this quote
from the director, the person who spearheaded this whole thing.
(13:32):
She said, we loved bringing Nino too one. Oho co
stars Mark Damon Espinoza and Gabrielle carteris together again on
screen with the promise of more to come. So can
you confirm that there will be more?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Season two is confirmed?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I know Michelle is certainly opened because she wrote, produced,
wrote and directed this. She's so talented and I did
all a lot of the heavy lifting as far as
getting money for this, a good chunk if it came
through fund me, not gonna fund me. Uh, what are
they called the fund raging, yes, Kickstarter, so that to
(14:13):
get to get this done and with the hope that
once it was out there, there would be investors interested
in promoting a second season. Because it's it's it's she
has the crew, she has her cast, it's it is
a packaged deal, hoping to pitch it in that you know,
in that.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Manner, you know what you'd love about her. She's like you, guys,
she is a go getter. Like you guys are such
creators and you like push through and you make sure
things happen. You know how I feel. And she's that person.
She's the kind of person who when you know there's
all it do we really want to hear a story
about a woman of a certain age. Is it sexy enough?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Is it this?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Or that? She was like this is a good story.
This is a good story. We have to do it.
And she's the one who brought it to this point.
I have incredible respect for that because, like you guys,
I look at you and I say, you were the
movers and the shakers. I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We're talking about Michelle Palerma, who was the writer and
the director of the project.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, and Mark, how did you get associated with it.
Were you friends with her?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I've known Michelle for years. We worked on a
web series that she had started gosh ten fifteen years ago,
good time ago, So we say friends since then. And
when this project came up, she had had me read
the script and say, were you interested in any of
these roles? There are two of the brothers and then
the husband. And when I read the husband role, I
(15:36):
thought this was this is perfect, Like, the character's perfect
and the dynamic is perfect. And through through the casting
process because Elena Wall plays lead and she's so good,
so good, he's terrific.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
She's really good.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Once they cast her, I couldn't wait, like there was
no other role for me in that. I just loved it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, she's so great, I think, so real, Like so
talk about being in the moment.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I can't remember what she was on a series in
the ninety early nineties and eighties, late eighties.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Do you guys know, is is it in the FI?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I forget what series it was.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Now and we asked chat, so it's a story told
through the eyes of a fifty something year old woman.
And you're saying that. They were like, oh, I don't
know if this story needs to be told.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
No, people are so happy, no question about a man
of a certainty, right, you know, But the minute women
go by a certain age, it's like, not so interesting.
I want to say that over half the population it
consists of women, and over half of those women are
women who are coming over the age of whatever, forty
to fifty. And we are pertinent, we are relative, we
(16:44):
are interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Come on, that's it, and.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
We're still sexy.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh yeah, even better better?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So do you guys.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Feel like this? I was talking to Lorrain and our
producer before, and we were talking about how this is
core sort of the example of the new indie TV
trend that's happening in Hollywood. Can you tell us.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
We right the other day? This is different when we
did nine O two one zero. Right when we did it,
there were three networks, they and the studios owned the industry. Now,
thirty some odd years later, the studios don't own an
industry anymore. Now it's going to be all creatives. There's
gonna be independent people who are developing. And this is
kind of like that launching pad to go and say,
(17:29):
it's really kind of on the cutting edge. This is
really where it's happening. You're gonna see you're seeing the
emergence of Think about all the films that are being
made now, the indie films and how well they're doing.
Indie TV is also now really big. And the studios. God,
I'm so grateful for the studios, But the studios are
not the center of the universe anymore. People can really
self produce and develop and be very successful.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's amen.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Do you know what she raised for her from Kickstarter? Like,
what was the budget for doing a show like this?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I'm just remember now, to be honest, I can't remember.
It was a couple of hundred thousand. It wasn't. It wasn't.
It wasn't big money at all, but for for that
TV standard.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
But you saw the quality. I mean it was great,
so good it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The lighting is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Right, it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I'm going to ask you there around.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh cool, Where did you guys film it? Nkalena's house
main character.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
That that would have been our apartment was Michelle's apartment
over in the Park of Maria, and then uh we
shot up in Santa Clarita some some they shot some
stuff down in Venice, but all very very much local,
very very close by.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Another notable thing about the show is that it's it's
sort of timely in the fact that it's set within
the dynamics of an immigrant family and with what's going
on in our country right now.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Referring to her, her her parents being yeah and that
day before I forget. It's not just about Elena and
her husband. Possibly. It's very much a family dynamic story,
and there's something in there for everyone. Everyone has that.
Every I don't think anyone has a perfect family, and
there you just people love each other intensely, but combat
(19:25):
each other intensely and very much a family dynamic and uh,
it's driven by that, really.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And it speaks to every age group, like everyone can
watch the show, from teens to grandparents. You know.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Really, I think there are a couple of F bombs
in there, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Welcome to life now, they're every who are I.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Know, the minute I heard Taylor Swift say the F
word in one of our songs, I was like, Okay,
well all my life, this is it now. I was
so disappointed. Whatever, but now I say it all the time. Anyways. Wait,
but oh, I just had to ask a question. It
was so nice to see you on screen Mark in
(20:09):
that capacity, just a leading man running holding the court.
You know, I really enjoyed it. And what you were
saying to her before about like there being something for
everyone is because there's a wide range of characters and
everybody's from the parents of the parents.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And generationally everybody. Mark's work has been great. He did
a series just before that, Tod I mean, it's not happening,
but it was a great role, The.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Endgame in New York, an NBC show that Nick Whoten
had produced, wrote word it produce.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It was a great role.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
He had had time in my life.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What was the role?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He was the head of the FBI.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh my god, that sounds so fit.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You know, they go and they fit you for your clothes.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Made crew uh uh uh. Marna Becker and Ryan Michelle
Bath were the two two main character leads in it.
Just just incredible cast and crew. We had a blast.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Good for you your.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Work in this series though, it was so incredible. And
I got to say this bar tender age like a
fine wine.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Mean, Mark, you look you were so sexy and so like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
They're a houghtie.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I'm going to say thank you because she's gonna
get Yeah. But I god, I look at myself in
the mirror and I go, what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like, no, I feel better now. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
No, no, no, no no. I like his I liked
a little bit of the.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Gray Jenny saw me. Jenny saw me a person. We
ran into each other serving at the Union Rescue mission
his daughters by the way, he saw me like streaming sweat.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And like, but she likes that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I remember seeing you too. I think we talked about this.
I remember seeing you and having no idea who you were.
But that's not your your problem. That the me problem.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
That was years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
This Swiss cheese, I know. But you'd think I've been
like instantly, but it took me a beat.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Out of the context. It's hard seeing a friendly decades later.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh that's why the problem is when I'm losing my memory,
it's because everything's out of context. That's Oh my god,
I feel so much better. I'm so worried.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You can blame context, and you can blame menopause. Now,
so we're good.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's done for I know, well, menopause ends.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What it only last one day?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yet mine lasted for ten years, but definitely left a mark.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Ten years.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
No menopause lasted for ten ten years, no paramount. No
menopause only lasts for one day. It's the one day
when you haven't bled for a year. Sorry, Mark, we're
getting into this.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Oh so when I when I was fifty, you were
parry No fifty, I stopped.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's when you stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I stopped him one day.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Ever since then you've been post no posts.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well then I was you're the post, and now maybe
eleven and now just we talked about this at you're
a thing. Jen so grateful for for if it's sharing
too much, but I am really grateful for ours. It
to help me.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Oh good, yeah, same, same glad you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Wait, so post menopause ends at a point.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Mark a minute after the first day.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I understand, but forever it's forever. Okay, you're going to
be sent out for.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
The rest post forever. But at the symptoms, the symptoms
that like the you know, colts, all that stuff, that's that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
We've lost Mark completely. He is talking to other people
mill Yard, Now that was you know?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That was.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No Missy wait, Missy, come on screen immediately, My god,
this is incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Hold on now, Missy Gordon.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You could never lose me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Miss right, Oh you look so good? Does she look good?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Looking exactly the same, even with the sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Menopause, speaking, menopause, post menopause. Come on, come on, Missy
for post that's always conversation. It's all aged together, all
of you know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
This is now a true nine two o reunion. Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The neighborhood and I came by to say how to
Charlie because you know, and then I said stop and
then you guys whatever anyway, love.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You see always with you you always just like bop
in see hi and then pop out.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She's a bopper, makes clay and she says, my daughter
made this just like like to go pop so I P.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's pretty. She's gonna be selling it. You can get
fottery by Molly Worried by.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Molly, Molly creates the coolest stuff. My daughter's still obsessed with.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I love you, love you always and forever. Why how
is it that she looks exactly the same, you guys,
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She looks exactly the same. That's not fair, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
She's and she's really happy. Really, she just got good
beautiful woman married Nicole.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Oh gosh, they got married. I'm so happy for her.
So interesting that the journeys we go on in this lifetime,
it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You're just like, whoa, I think it's so weird, like
just even talking to you guys, really so happy to
be in each other's lives after all the years and stuff.
But the arc of a life, right when you think
about when we first came together, what we didn't know,
didn't even fathom, Like who would have ever said thirty
whatever years ago? You know, a podcast one day and
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you guys are gonna come on and we're gonna like.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Really really, it's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's great. And you guys have beautiful children, Jess, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, we have a lot of kids. The other two
eight ten children between three ladies here and three and
you've got three thirteen.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's thirteen right now here, people, an easy dozen.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's a colony.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We're a village.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
So excellent.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's really wait, that's a great idea, Jen, what a
nine O two one o village? All she's got PTSD?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
She said, any words, triggering hands up.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't know why I didn't even ask it to
go up, but it went up.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
A red flag to each that's like a song. There's
still wait, guys, wait, wait, how many kids do we
have amongst all of oh god, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That was thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Are you counties two?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't know, parents, nineteen, no, twenty just okay, there's
like thirty thirty five of um.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
We could have a whole village, like like little house
on the prairie.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But there's at least thirty of them. I think so
thirty of them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Them the offspring, the spawn, the.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Spawn of us nine o two zero for our kids.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think they can save the world for us.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
For kids.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But imagine like doing an unscripted show where they all
get together.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh my gosh, that'd be good, Like if they're trapped
in a wait a second, they trapped in a sound stage.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Great in actually, I think the recovery groups.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We go back to that town stage.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Literally, Yes, this would so good.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's good, right, even if it's like bringing up memories
and they're like, oh my gosh, my parent does that
and it's something that's so ingrained because of our formative years.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Or my parent's not like that at all. That's what
it looked like, that she's not like that. She's not
like are you kidding me? Oh my god, no, no,
no oh.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The fans are gonna freak out when they see this
episode seeing you two sit together in your backyard, so
handsome and beautiful, you guys, this is just a moment
in time for us on our OMG for sure, but
also just a moment in time for everyone that you're
back on screen together and it's monumental.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Gosh, and your chemistry is so off the charts, like
I felt watching you guys on screen. Now you had
more chemistry, and back then on screen you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Have to say anything like for the the chemistry was
there and you guys didn't even speak chills.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I just want you to know, I said earlier, it's
really true, and I say it right to you. I
love you.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, I love you and that I know people sometimes
don't want to hear it, but I knew that the
first time we met, and I shared that story with you,
with you and Molly, your daughter.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Can you share it with us and our listeners.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
How much time do you have.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'll try to make an actor.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You can make it short as quick as possible. So
I'm living. Everything I owned was in the back of
a little white toy to pickup Drop. I don't know
if you guys know that, but everything, it's what I
drove the set for the first year. Everything I owned
was in that truck. And I was sleeping on a
on a borrowed mattress next to a friend of mine's piano,
Roy Abramson's piano, and I get this call to go
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audition for the show. And then I got a call
to audition for NYPD Blue for a guy banger, which
is pretty much basically all I ever auditioned for. And
I thought, I got a shot. I have a real
shot at NYPD Blue. I'm never going to get cast
on nine or two one. Oh, that's impossible. You fast
forward a few days. I got the job, but I didn't.
(30:14):
I didn't realize it was a two year I thought
it was a couple of episodes as a boyfriend. That's
what the agent told me. So life life completely changed
over the course of a few days. And I and
the first episode was the Walsh's twentieth ann twenty fifth party,
and so everyone was there with all do you guys
(30:35):
remember that all the season season four, A ton of extras,
a ton of people, and it was it was just
this frenetic dynamic there and.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
We were all together. It was pretty frenetic all together.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And that's also where they launched the idea of the
Melrose spin off, because it was also in Kelly and
Grant Show.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I don't know. I didn't know that. I didn't know anything.
I didn't know anything at that point. All I knew
was I was going to have this scene as a bartender,
and I knew my line. I'm never worried about learning lines.
I'm I'm pretty relaxed about that. The only time I
get nervous is if there's a lot of famous people,
and you guys were the most famous young people on
the planet. I would I lived in Chicago right before that,
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and I would get in line at the grocery store
and your pictures would be on every magazine on the
little stands that are by the checkout counters. And I
know you guys were, but I like that was the
furthest thing from my reality. You know, I was doing theater,
you know, in Chicago, and all of a sudden, I'm
on set with these people and I could feel the panic,
(31:41):
that panic attack of and Jennifer Grant was the first
person that came up and say hi, and she made
me feel very much at home. She's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
She played Celeste, Steve's girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I saw you guys around, but we hadn't been formally
introduced in ADS. I think it was I think it
was Leslie, I can't remember now, said you want to
meet Gab because we didn't have a chemistry. Read I
got the role and that was thrown into it and
I said, uh, yeah, I'm eater. I was so afraid
he was going to be this like tough cookie a
(32:13):
or someone who was not nice. And I'll never sorry
because it could have been a nightmare job and it
wasn't because you guys are so awesome, but I didn't
know that then. And I go through this big crowd
of people to this little waiting area back where Gab
was sitting with some other people talking, and they introduced us.
And the minute Gab got up and shook my hand
(32:35):
and hugged me, I thought, oh my god, it's safe
because I could see it in your eyes. I could
see just I mean, I'm not this isn't bullshit. I
could just see that that how good of a person
you were, And so I could take a real breath
at that point and go, okay, because we hadn't shot
the scene yet, We're going to shoot that the next night,
which we did. And from that point on, I knew
(32:58):
that I was in safe hands on set because you
guys were there. You realized that there were good days
and bad days, and sometimes the tension was very tense.
I knew. I knew I was always going to be safe.
So it gave me the It gave me the opportunity
to be creative. It gave me the opportunity to take
a breath and feel like I fit in. I think, like, yeah,
(33:19):
I was kind of out of my element. This was
not my world.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's also the yea overwhelming is reworked there every day, right,
and then somebody new comes in and it has to
be daunting. I know. It's a couple of the interviews
even that you guys have done and when people had
this perception because it was just so it's just you're
in a certain rhythm and people don't know how to
swing in the rhythm. Necessarily, they're not you know, they're
(33:45):
in and they're out and they're not. They either catch
the wave or they don't, and you can't really help
as much as you want because you're on the wave too.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Like it's hard and you were piping it out. They
were doing twenty six episodes a year, double ups, what
three two or three times.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Year thirty two.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The energy was always blom boom boom boom boom. Yeah
coming in, you don't You don't have a chance to
just sit back and be ready.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, it's like on the job training and Gab did.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know that he was gonna be a right like
stay on the show and be with no what if
you guys didn't have chemistry?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well then they went to kept it. This is the
difference age being this now and then, because I don't
think that I realized that I deserve to be there
like everybody else did, and I think that I'd never
asked the questions. I was just you know, kind of
like going with it. I would have asked questions. I
would have actually asked for things to be a certain
way maybe, and you know, been a part of the
(34:44):
process more. But I was really intimidated by it and
trying and not telling anybody. The worst thing is, you know,
it's one thing everybody can share and have their if
you're not sharing that you're having these experiences. It's such
a good lesson, you know, is that we're never alone
really if we really just tell the truth. But sometimes
(35:07):
it's embarrassing or uncomfortable or frightening to tell. For me,
I don't want to speak to anybody, And now as
I'm older, I don't feel like I have that as much.
Now I feel more like I got to put it
out there.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But then at some point you go, I kind of
don't care what people think of me. We're going to
do a damn job.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Okay for sure. And now I could go and say
these are the things I want. When we did the reboot,
I was like really clear about things I wanted, and
I wasn't clear about I mean, I it was a
different it was I always say with it was livery.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Doing the reboot.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, but do you believe that fans want a straight reboot?
At this point you have.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Asked the fans, They probably love it, They would love it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I don't know. Now that we're rewatching, we're fan girls
now starting over. It's like I want more I'm like, no,
I don't want it to end after ten. I want
seasons like and just seeing the two of you back
on screen in middlehood, I was like, oh my god.
As a fan of nine of two now, I was like,
I want to see where all the characters are. I
(36:14):
want to see them all together again.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You guys probably know better their characters that there are
generations now that weren't even born there that love this show.
This show has a has a lifespan that's just spectacular.
There are kids of kids who grew up watching it
that are in love with this shoe and reruns. I've
been stopped a number of times, like they have to
look at me twice now, but they recognize me from
(36:37):
the show. You're that guy, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
There are people recognize feteen years old people recognize now.
I can tell when the show is really heavy and
reruns where because suddenly it's like, oh my god, like
it comes out of the woodwork right time.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
There's some network that was it all the time, twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Four hours of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Cory. To add to what you were saying, I think
what some semblance of that would have a lot absolutely
because people do want to know where are they what
are they doing the characters?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
What you're saying is we have a chance.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Any saying no, My man came up again.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Just breathe. We're gonna get you through it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I need to like come one of those she got red.
You got literally I feel flush.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
She's like, don't make these promises.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Before we go. I want you guys to plug Middlehood.
Tell everybody where they can see it and everything they
need to know.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Watch Middlehood. Great show.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You can see it on Amazon Prime and Plex TV
and soon to be on YouTube TV.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That's right, it is.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It is delightful. My ninety five year old mother can
barely hear. She wears headsets on to a bluetooth headst
binge the entire thing. She if. She didn't talk about me,
she talked about everyone else.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
If you like it, if you decide to do it
and you like it, please rite in about it. Because
you know, what we know is that social media is
the gift. And I'll tell you that before we leave.
The Queen of Social Media. When we started on nine
oh two, one oh and it started coming out with
Tory spelling, Queen of Social you like you knew stuff
(38:18):
about social media just before we even I did. Oh
my god, Tory, what, Oh, we're doing social media before
the whole craze of social media. You've been in the
universe for.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
A long Are you calling me an og again?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Og? Baby?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It was like chat rooms, right, Yeah, you were doing
all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You knew exactly what was going on. Like people were
saying about the show.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We're saying, yeah, and that started.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wait you said they could people should write in where
how well?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I think that if you watched like on Amazon or
you go go on to.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You can it on Amazon?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, you rate it? That would be the best. When YouTube,
when it goes on YouTube television.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That'd be great.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
No, and then just tell friends to watch it and
you know, really share what you think would be great
because that's how independent productions are going to grow. That's
what we want to support everybody. It's at part time
in the industry.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
So if you like it and it already received an
award Best TV Show at the New York International Film Festival,
that's amazing. He's like, Oh, I forgot about.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
That, So yes, that's exactly. So that's what you can do.
That would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Well I hope everyone does.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, please, because I want to see season two or more. Yeah,
I don't want to see you guys.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But we did we even address the fact that your
name in the show is say tell them your character, Gab.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Don't remember.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's like a version of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Adriana Adrian. Did you guys not feel the did you
that was that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah? It must have been right.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
So we didn't We didn't talk about it, but we.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Didn't talk again. And I didn't talk about They said, Gabrielle, Mark, Gabrielle,
I'm doing this thing. You want to do it. It's
just sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
One day of shooting, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
It was really fun. And but I do have to
say I have uh watched and the acting is really
I think great. Visually it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
The cast is pretty pretty terrific.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Careful.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So happy you guys.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Thank you both for for yeah, tuning into it from
your backyard there.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Thank you so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Mark, hope to see you soon. Gab will see you
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We're going to be We're going to be together in
North North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I'm really excited. So see you there and I'll give
you hugs and love. Okay, all right, I'm going to
bring Mark one of the times we do an appearance,
so I want Mark to come. We need to please,
oh my god, everybody. If you want, you know, you
gotta right into those cons and say we want to
have some of the other cast members join in. Go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead. It's really a fun and beautiful
(41:13):
slugging it in.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
All right, Love you both, Bye you guys, Thank you,
thank you, luck.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Take care by
It's nine O Gene one O engine with Jenny Garth
and Tory spelling.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Okay, they're back. Hoo's back, the ogs Andrea and Jesse.
What Yes, Gabrielle and Mark are back and they're in
a new show. This is so mata. This is like
the nine two O twenty twenty five. Someone did it first.
(00:32):
They're back and screen together and we get to talk
to them. Ready, I'm ready, Yes, how.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Are you good?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You guys look so great. This is so surreal. We've
seen both of you in real life. It's not like
we haven't seen you since the show ended.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But I know we're not together.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You haven't seen no, not together and not like on
a zoom. This is like they're hugging, they're kissing.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh my goodness, yeah, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Charlie says it's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What a nice husband.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I know, he said, honey, if it makes you happy, but.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow, you could really go run with that.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
By the way, we've been married almost thirty four years.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, my gosh, I was I was just thinking about
your wedding last night.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Wait, what tell me about it?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
In Santa Barbara, I forget Really, Jenny, my niece still
talks about because you guys, you know how everybody was
wearing like them. You guys put like napkins on your
heads or something.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Why would we do this?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know. I have actual pictures of it. But
Jenny was holding Rebecca, my other niece. Sid wasn't born yet,
and Rebecca was so attached to Jenny like Jenny were
when she would like follow her around.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh my god? Was it?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was it the Force Seasons in Santa Barbara? Yeah, I
remember vaguely.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It was. I kind of remember it. You know, I
don't look at the videos. I don't get the videos
from the what not. No, I don't not that I
don't know, but yes, it was there. It was Tori.
That was a long time ago, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But let's talk about your TV hubby.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh my, he's my yeah forever. Wait can you explain
to us why you're together, both of you there in
that in the outside.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Why we're together outside? Yeah, that's just to beat We're
going to promote a little independent series that we worked on.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
He worked on.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I came on actually to do as a cameo. Mark say, Gabrielle,
do you want to go and do this? You know
this little thing that I'm working on and I independent project,
and I said for you absolutely will go and do it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Have fun.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's turned out to be a really amazing project.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Wait, we're talking about Middlehood, you guys. I want everybody
to know who's listening. We're talking about a show called Middlehood.
It's an eight episode series that is streaming right now
on demand on Amazon Prime Video.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And it is an independent implex complex, but it is
the first independent project that's been nominated for an Emmy.
I'm sorry. I qualified for qualified, qualified real quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
To be available on pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay Amazon.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I binge watched all eight episodes last night. It is
so good.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm reading for it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The last episode. Gab, Oh my god, I want more.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
When you see her on screen, when you see Jesse's
like leaning back and thinking something that you call.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I called her Kelly last week first time ever.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
People still people will still stopping and say, you're that
bartender and you're a cheating bartenders, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Cheating, cheating bartender.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, no, but when when Gab came on screen in Middlehood?
I was like, or when when?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not until the very last moment of the entire show.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And if it's picked up. I'll come back after.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's a great moment.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I got chills, Like I was like, oh, could you
feel the chemistry tour?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Like, were you like they still got it? Oh, the
chemistry is still hot after all these years.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I love that, And we haven't we haven't been out
of touch since we bet.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Our friendship has definitely grown, you know, like when we
talk about the gifts of the show, about our relationships
and stuff. My my love for Mark, for him's friendship
has been the gift of one of the gifts for
me from the show.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Likewise, and people, I think people get sick of hearing it,
Like they want to hear the bad stuff they want
to hear, and I can't. I can'tnot tell the truth
that I'm a terrible liar unless you're pay me.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I want to talk more about I think we should
talk more about the middle the show Middlehood, But first,
can we just talk about nine twenty for a second.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well it's so meta because okay, okay, so you want
to go back I do. First time it all began,
I do, I do.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, okay, just for a little bit, all right, where
do you want to go?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, gab you were on the show. Tell me refresh
my memory please. Tory probably remembers, but you left in
season five.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I left in season five after I had had Kelsey.
I took a year. I did the show for a year,
and then I moved.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
On What tell Us? Why Why did you leave us?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
There are many reasons I left. There's the There are
many reasons. Many. One is that I don't think they
knew how to write for me anymore. I think that
really tough. You know, from when I went to your
dad Tory and said I wanted a baby, and that
he was so shocked that I had gone to him.
He said, he really thought I was going to come
and tell him how I was pregnant. But I actually
(05:56):
asked to have lunch with him to talk to him
about Charlie and I wanted to get pregnant. And he said, wow,
that you're asking me and you're just didn't do it.
He said, yeah, okay, And I said, but I don't
want to hide it, you know, I really I don't
want to hide it behind books or whatever. And that
was not something that was common in those days.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I mean later, were you were you ovulating when
you took that meeting.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know, I don't know if I was ovulating, I
just would be good. I was, so your dad was
cool about it, so I actually but it was later
on that you guys were able to be pregnant on
the show. But it was when I got pregnant, that's
when and your dad was so respectful, he didn't have
me hide it. And that's when Mark came on to
be you know, he was the father of my baby.
(06:41):
And then when Na but so much happened. I mean
New York Times wrote stuff like, how dare you have
a smart person? You know you've done this to Andrea.
She would never smart people, They wouldn't get pregnant. I
wrote back, I did a whole thing saying that's ridiculous.
Intellect has nothing to do with this whatever. And anyway,
they did know how to write for me after that,
(07:01):
and it was just a matter of it was just time.
It was not you know, I was wanting something more,
I think, and they just it wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So I moved on. You didn't ask us, You didn't
ask us. Yeah, you didn't consult with us, So you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Know, I was really shy. We've talked about this before.
I don't. I felt like I didn't know how to
talk about how I felt on the show with you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I felt so you never had that conversation while you're on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
They didn't even know I was right. I think everything
just happened because I was so over. I was so
felt like I didn't belong. That's why, Wow, we.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Lost our dead mom. Who else was going to corral us?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think I was irritating to everybody talks about it
like it's irritating. I like you, but it's irritating.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh I love you, but you're so irritating.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That's why you guys had reboot all the time. Oh
my god, we.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
On point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You were so good in BH nine. No, I couldn't
take it right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
She was perfect, crying, you guys are so.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So jen ear muffs, ear muffs? Okay, So Andrea and
Jesse break up. She hasn't know yet. We haven't gotten
to that, does we have?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Didn't she come home and she said they're having problems. Yes,
Like I have my ear muffs on and I can
still her hear word by the way, euffs?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
So wait, Gab, was it in season eight or season ten?
When you come back again and again and again. Do
you tell us that you guys are divorcing?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
The first time I come back, I think, right, I'm having.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Problems, problems at Steve's party.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yes, I get a call from something happens and I'm
just devastated. Was it Steve's party? I remember what I wore.
Huh yeah, Queen Mary, I remember the Queen Mary?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
What what?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
What happened on the phone on the other end of
the phone, I think.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I don't remember, except that I cried, like I was
crying like that was it?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He was.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We were separated at the time, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Don't know, Yeah, yeah, you did, Jesse.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
When I left, they I didn't know anything other than what.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
People were so mad that I left the show. They
were mad at me because they were like, you know,
that means that Mark's not going to be able to
be on the show. As your fault. I was like,
I was just making personal choices. I wasn't saying. Don't
like it was terrible. It was hard.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Land. You guys did divorce ultimately, Mark, do you know that.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I didn't realize we divorced.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You divorced, and I believe you were with other people.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, separated. I don't know that we divorced, separate.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Separated, and then had an affair with Juliete Binoche. I
think that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
There, you go wow. Okay, so let's go with this story.
So Jesse and Juliette Binoche. She was a good step
mom to Hannah. You guys are together, Andrea, let's say,
is there was someone else? Where are we today? If
it's nine O two O twenty twenty five? We want
(10:25):
to hope you guys got well. I got choked up there.
We want to hope you guys got back together.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
All do.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
We're grandparents? Yeah, we're very good friends and we probably know.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Are you friends with benefits?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And me says no, you guys got back together?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Do we get back together?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Okay, we'll just go that way.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yes, yes, Oh I'm so happy.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know what? Too bad? I'm the real mother.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You are, you are the real mother of all. Wait, okay,
did we talk about nine or two and o enough?
Do you think tour well?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Where would they be today? Okay, so but give a
little more, you guys. You can create anything in.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The actually medical program at Yale. Okay, that's research, answer, research, research, okay,
and you.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
A retired lawyer, wealthy? I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Then we're you know, more kids. We have kids. We
have Hannah more can but yeah, babies though, and we adopted.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All right, are you adopting? Great? Good? Okay, now your grandparents?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay, wait, where's Hannah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Oh? Where is Hannah? She's living in She.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Would be the star of a reboot if there was one.
How Hannah would be? How old you guys are?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Bad at bath? She moved to Switzerland?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What she just said? She moved us with her Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Thirty one thirty one thirty one one? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like we would have to go, like come
back in through her eyes because throughout the series she
was the only like of the mean cast, the baby.
There's no one else, no one else had a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
She's going to actually tell the story, our life story.
We saved everything for her and she knows it, and
she's going to actually share that story. She's writing right now.
Actually she's a writer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
She's writing a memoir and then they're going to make
it into a series, an indie series.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But she does she does actually a lot of writing.
She's a recognized writer. There you go, in fact, she's
almost you know, she's on the verge of being kind
of like kind of like what's her name? Who wrote
Harry Potter series, she'd be that famous.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Oh my god, you know my cap. I'm sitting here
listening to you like you're just improving and making shut up.
But I believe you because you're so good at telling
the story. Like I feel like this really happened.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm so like in, well, it's really exciting. She's lived
a very exciting life, Jenny, and I know that you're
looking forward to seeing you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Guys, let's talk about the show. I love this quote
from the director, the person who spearheaded this whole thing.
(13:32):
She said, we loved bringing Nino too one. Oho co
stars Mark Damon Espinoza and Gabrielle carteris together again on
screen with the promise of more to come. So can
you confirm that there will be more?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Season two is confirmed?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I know Michelle is certainly opened because she wrote, produced,
wrote and directed this. She's so talented and I did
all a lot of the heavy lifting as far as
getting money for this, a good chunk if it came
through fund me, not gonna fund me. Uh, what are
they called the fund raging, yes, Kickstarter, so that to
(14:13):
get to get this done and with the hope that
once it was out there, there would be investors interested
in promoting a second season. Because it's it's it's she
has the crew, she has her cast, it's it is
a packaged deal, hoping to pitch it in that you know,
in that.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Manner, you know what you'd love about her. She's like you, guys,
she is a go getter. Like you guys are such
creators and you like push through and you make sure
things happen. You know how I feel. And she's that person.
She's the kind of person who when you know there's
all it do we really want to hear a story
about a woman of a certain age. Is it sexy enough?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Is it this?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Or that? She was like this is a good story.
This is a good story. We have to do it.
And she's the one who brought it to this point.
I have incredible respect for that because, like you guys,
I look at you and I say, you were the
movers and the shakers. I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We're talking about Michelle Palerma, who was the writer and
the director of the project.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, and Mark, how did you get associated with it.
Were you friends with her?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I've known Michelle for years. We worked on a
web series that she had started gosh ten fifteen years ago,
good time ago, So we say friends since then. And
when this project came up, she had had me read
the script and say, were you interested in any of
these roles? There are two of the brothers and then
the husband. And when I read the husband role, I
(15:36):
thought this was this is perfect, Like, the character's perfect
and the dynamic is perfect. And through through the casting
process because Elena Wall plays lead and she's so good,
so good, he's terrific.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
She's really good.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Once they cast her, I couldn't wait, like there was
no other role for me in that. I just loved it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, she's so great, I think, so real, Like so
talk about being in the moment.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I can't remember what she was on a series in
the ninety early nineties and eighties, late eighties.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Do you guys know, is is it in the FI?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I forget what series it was.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Now and we asked chat, so it's a story told
through the eyes of a fifty something year old woman.
And you're saying that. They were like, oh, I don't
know if this story needs to be told.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
No, people are so happy, no question about a man
of a certainty, right, you know, But the minute women
go by a certain age, it's like, not so interesting.
I want to say that over half the population it
consists of women, and over half of those women are
women who are coming over the age of whatever, forty
to fifty. And we are pertinent, we are relative, we
(16:44):
are interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Come on, that's it, and.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
We're still sexy.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh yeah, even better better?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So do you guys.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Feel like this? I was talking to Lorrain and our
producer before, and we were talking about how this is
core sort of the example of the new indie TV
trend that's happening in Hollywood. Can you tell us.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
We right the other day? This is different when we
did nine O two one zero. Right when we did it,
there were three networks, they and the studios owned the industry. Now,
thirty some odd years later, the studios don't own an
industry anymore. Now it's going to be all creatives. There's
gonna be independent people who are developing. And this is
kind of like that launching pad to go and say,
(17:29):
it's really kind of on the cutting edge. This is
really where it's happening. You're gonna see you're seeing the
emergence of Think about all the films that are being
made now, the indie films and how well they're doing.
Indie TV is also now really big. And the studios. God,
I'm so grateful for the studios, But the studios are
not the center of the universe anymore. People can really
self produce and develop and be very successful.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's amen.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Do you know what she raised for her from Kickstarter? Like,
what was the budget for doing a show like this?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I'm just remember now, to be honest, I can't remember.
It was a couple of hundred thousand. It wasn't. It wasn't.
It wasn't big money at all, but for for that
TV standard.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
But you saw the quality. I mean it was great,
so good it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The lighting is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Right, it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I'm going to ask you there around.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh cool, Where did you guys film it? Nkalena's house
main character.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
That that would have been our apartment was Michelle's apartment
over in the Park of Maria, and then uh we
shot up in Santa Clarita some some they shot some
stuff down in Venice, but all very very much local,
very very close by.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Another notable thing about the show is that it's it's
sort of timely in the fact that it's set within
the dynamics of an immigrant family and with what's going
on in our country right now.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Referring to her, her her parents being yeah and that
day before I forget. It's not just about Elena and
her husband. Possibly. It's very much a family dynamic story,
and there's something in there for everyone. Everyone has that.
Every I don't think anyone has a perfect family, and
there you just people love each other intensely, but combat
(19:25):
each other intensely and very much a family dynamic and uh,
it's driven by that, really.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And it speaks to every age group, like everyone can
watch the show, from teens to grandparents. You know.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Really, I think there are a couple of F bombs
in there, but that's about it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Welcome to life now, they're every who are I.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Know, the minute I heard Taylor Swift say the F
word in one of our songs, I was like, Okay,
well all my life, this is it now. I was
so disappointed. Whatever, but now I say it all the time. Anyways. Wait,
but oh, I just had to ask a question. It
was so nice to see you on screen Mark in
(20:09):
that capacity, just a leading man running holding the court.
You know, I really enjoyed it. And what you were
saying to her before about like there being something for
everyone is because there's a wide range of characters and
everybody's from the parents of the parents.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And generationally everybody. Mark's work has been great. He did
a series just before that, Tod I mean, it's not happening,
but it was a great role, The.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Endgame in New York, an NBC show that Nick Whoten
had produced, wrote word it produce.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It was a great role.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
He had had time in my life.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What was the role?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He was the head of the FBI.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh my god, that sounds so fit.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You know, they go and they fit you for your clothes.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Made crew uh uh uh. Marna Becker and Ryan Michelle
Bath were the two two main character leads in it.
Just just incredible cast and crew. We had a blast.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Good for you your.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Work in this series though, it was so incredible. And
I got to say this bar tender age like a
fine wine.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Mean, Mark, you look you were so sexy and so like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
They're a houghtie.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I'm going to say thank you because she's gonna
get Yeah. But I god, I look at myself in
the mirror and I go, what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Like, no, I feel better now. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
No, no, no, no no. I like his I liked
a little bit of the.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Gray Jenny saw me. Jenny saw me a person. We
ran into each other serving at the Union Rescue mission
his daughters by the way, he saw me like streaming sweat.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And like, but she likes that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I remember seeing you too. I think we talked about this.
I remember seeing you and having no idea who you were.
But that's not your your problem. That the me problem.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
That was years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
This Swiss cheese, I know. But you'd think I've been
like instantly, but it took me a beat.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Out of the context. It's hard seeing a friendly decades later.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh that's why the problem is when I'm losing my memory,
it's because everything's out of context. That's Oh my god,
I feel so much better. I'm so worried.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You can blame context, and you can blame menopause. Now,
so we're good.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's done for I know, well, menopause ends.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What it only last one day?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yet mine lasted for ten years, but definitely left a mark.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Ten years.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
No menopause lasted for ten ten years, no paramount. No
menopause only lasts for one day. It's the one day
when you haven't bled for a year. Sorry, Mark, we're
getting into this.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Oh so when I when I was fifty, you were
parry No fifty, I stopped.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's when you stopped.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I stopped him one day.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Ever since then you've been post no posts.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well then I was you're the post, and now maybe
eleven and now just we talked about this at you're
a thing. Jen so grateful for for if it's sharing
too much, but I am really grateful for ours. It
to help me.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Oh good, yeah, same, same glad you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Wait, so post menopause ends at a point.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Mark a minute after the first day.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I understand, but forever it's forever. Okay, you're going to
be sent out for.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
The rest post forever. But at the symptoms, the symptoms
that like the you know, colts, all that stuff, that's that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
We've lost Mark completely. He is talking to other people
mill Yard, Now that was you know?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That was.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No Missy wait, Missy, come on screen immediately, My god,
this is incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Hold on now, Missy Gordon.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You could never lose me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Miss right, Oh you look so good? Does she look good?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Looking exactly the same, even with the sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Menopause, speaking, menopause, post menopause. Come on, come on, Missy
for post that's always conversation. It's all aged together, all
of you know.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
This is now a true nine two o reunion. Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The neighborhood and I came by to say how to
Charlie because you know, and then I said stop and
then you guys whatever anyway, love.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You see always with you you always just like bop
in see hi and then pop out.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She's a bopper, makes clay and she says, my daughter
made this just like like to go pop so I P.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's pretty. She's gonna be selling it. You can get
fottery by Molly Worried by.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Molly, Molly creates the coolest stuff. My daughter's still obsessed with.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I love you, love you always and forever. Why how
is it that she looks exactly the same, you guys,
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She looks exactly the same. That's not fair, that's weird.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
She's and she's really happy. Really, she just got good
beautiful woman married Nicole.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Oh gosh, they got married. I'm so happy for her.
So interesting that the journeys we go on in this lifetime,
it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You're just like, whoa, I think it's so weird, like
just even talking to you guys, really so happy to
be in each other's lives after all the years and stuff.
But the arc of a life, right when you think
about when we first came together, what we didn't know,
didn't even fathom, Like who would have ever said thirty
whatever years ago? You know, a podcast one day and
(25:53):
you guys are gonna come on and we're gonna like.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Really really, it's wild.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's great. And you guys have beautiful children, Jess, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, we have a lot of kids. The other two
eight ten children between three ladies here and three and
you've got three thirteen.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's thirteen right now here, people, an easy dozen.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It's a colony.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We're a village.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
So excellent.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's really wait, that's a great idea, Jen, what a
nine O two one o village? All she's got PTSD?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
She said, any words, triggering hands up.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I don't know why I didn't even ask it to
go up, but it went up.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
A red flag to each that's like a song. There's
still wait, guys, wait, wait, how many kids do we
have amongst all of oh god, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That was thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Are you counties two?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't know, parents, nineteen, no, twenty just okay, there's
like thirty thirty five of um.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
We could have a whole village, like like little house
on the prairie.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But there's at least thirty of them. I think so
thirty of them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Them the offspring, the spawn, the.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Spawn of us nine o two zero for our kids.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think they can save the world for us.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
For kids.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But imagine like doing an unscripted show where they all
get together.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh my gosh, that'd be good, Like if they're trapped
in a wait a second, they trapped in a sound stage.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Great in actually, I think the recovery groups.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We go back to that town stage.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Literally, Yes, this would so good.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's good, right, even if it's like bringing up memories
and they're like, oh my gosh, my parent does that
and it's something that's so ingrained because of our formative years.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Or my parent's not like that at all. That's what
it looked like, that she's not like that. She's not
like are you kidding me? Oh my god, no, no,
no oh.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The fans are gonna freak out when they see this
episode seeing you two sit together in your backyard, so
handsome and beautiful, you guys, this is just a moment
in time for us on our OMG for sure, but
also just a moment in time for everyone that you're
back on screen together and it's monumental.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Gosh, and your chemistry is so off the charts, like
I felt watching you guys on screen. Now you had
more chemistry, and back then on screen you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Have to say anything like for the the chemistry was
there and you guys didn't even speak chills.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I just want you to know, I said earlier, it's
really true, and I say it right to you. I
love you.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Well, I love you and that I know people sometimes
don't want to hear it, but I knew that the
first time we met, and I shared that story with you,
with you and Molly, your daughter.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Can you share it with us and our listeners.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
How much time do you have.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'll try to make an actor.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You can make it short as quick as possible. So
I'm living. Everything I owned was in the back of
a little white toy to pickup Drop. I don't know
if you guys know that, but everything, it's what I
drove the set for the first year. Everything I owned
was in that truck. And I was sleeping on a
on a borrowed mattress next to a friend of mine's piano,
Roy Abramson's piano, and I get this call to go
(29:53):
audition for the show. And then I got a call
to audition for NYPD Blue for a guy banger, which
is pretty much basically all I ever auditioned for. And
I thought, I got a shot. I have a real
shot at NYPD Blue. I'm never going to get cast
on nine or two one. Oh, that's impossible. You fast
forward a few days. I got the job, but I didn't.
(30:14):
I didn't realize it was a two year I thought
it was a couple of episodes as a boyfriend. That's
what the agent told me. So life life completely changed
over the course of a few days. And I and
the first episode was the Walsh's twentieth ann twenty fifth party,
and so everyone was there with all do you guys
(30:35):
remember that all the season season four, A ton of extras,
a ton of people, and it was it was just
this frenetic dynamic there and.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
We were all together. It was pretty frenetic all together.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And that's also where they launched the idea of the
Melrose spin off, because it was also in Kelly and
Grant Show.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I don't know. I didn't know that. I didn't know anything.
I didn't know anything at that point. All I knew
was I was going to have this scene as a bartender,
and I knew my line. I'm never worried about learning lines.
I'm I'm pretty relaxed about that. The only time I
get nervous is if there's a lot of famous people,
and you guys were the most famous young people on
the planet. I would I lived in Chicago right before that,
(31:21):
and I would get in line at the grocery store
and your pictures would be on every magazine on the
little stands that are by the checkout counters. And I
know you guys were, but I like that was the
furthest thing from my reality. You know, I was doing theater,
you know, in Chicago, and all of a sudden, I'm
on set with these people and I could feel the panic,
(31:41):
that panic attack of and Jennifer Grant was the first
person that came up and say hi, and she made
me feel very much at home. She's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
She played Celeste, Steve's girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I saw you guys around, but we hadn't been formally
introduced in ADS. I think it was I think it
was Leslie, I can't remember now, said you want to
meet Gab because we didn't have a chemistry. Read I
got the role and that was thrown into it and
I said, uh, yeah, I'm eater. I was so afraid
he was going to be this like tough cookie a
(32:13):
or someone who was not nice. And I'll never sorry
because it could have been a nightmare job and it
wasn't because you guys are so awesome, but I didn't
know that then. And I go through this big crowd
of people to this little waiting area back where Gab
was sitting with some other people talking, and they introduced us.
And the minute Gab got up and shook my hand
(32:35):
and hugged me, I thought, oh my god, it's safe
because I could see it in your eyes. I could
see just I mean, I'm not this isn't bullshit. I
could just see that that how good of a person
you were, And so I could take a real breath
at that point and go, okay, because we hadn't shot
the scene yet, We're going to shoot that the next night,
which we did. And from that point on, I knew
(32:58):
that I was in safe hands on set because you
guys were there. You realized that there were good days
and bad days, and sometimes the tension was very tense.
I knew. I knew I was always going to be safe.
So it gave me the It gave me the opportunity
to be creative. It gave me the opportunity to take
a breath and feel like I fit in. I think, like, yeah,
(33:19):
I was kind of out of my element. This was
not my world.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's also the yea overwhelming is reworked there every day, right,
and then somebody new comes in and it has to
be daunting. I know. It's a couple of the interviews
even that you guys have done and when people had
this perception because it was just so it's just you're
in a certain rhythm and people don't know how to
swing in the rhythm. Necessarily, they're not you know, they're
(33:45):
in and they're out and they're not. They either catch
the wave or they don't, and you can't really help
as much as you want because you're on the wave too.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Like it's hard and you were piping it out. They
were doing twenty six episodes a year, double ups, what
three two or three times.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Year thirty two.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The energy was always blom boom boom boom boom. Yeah
coming in, you don't You don't have a chance to
just sit back and be ready.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, it's like on the job training and Gab did.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know that he was gonna be a right like
stay on the show and be with no what if
you guys didn't have chemistry?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well then they went to kept it. This is the
difference age being this now and then, because I don't
think that I realized that I deserve to be there
like everybody else did, and I think that I'd never
asked the questions. I was just you know, kind of
like going with it. I would have asked questions. I
would have actually asked for things to be a certain
way maybe, and you know, been a part of the
(34:44):
process more. But I was really intimidated by it and
trying and not telling anybody. The worst thing is, you know,
it's one thing everybody can share and have their if
you're not sharing that you're having these experiences. It's such
a good lesson, you know, is that we're never alone
really if we really just tell the truth. But sometimes
(35:07):
it's embarrassing or uncomfortable or frightening to tell. For me,
I don't want to speak to anybody, And now as
I'm older, I don't feel like I have that as much.
Now I feel more like I got to put it
out there.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But then at some point you go, I kind of
don't care what people think of me. We're going to
do a damn job.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Okay for sure. And now I could go and say
these are the things I want. When we did the reboot,
I was like really clear about things I wanted, and
I wasn't clear about I mean, I it was a
different it was I always say with it was livery.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Doing the reboot.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, but do you believe that fans want a straight reboot?
At this point you have.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Asked the fans, They probably love it, They would love it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I don't know. Now that we're rewatching, we're fan girls
now starting over. It's like I want more I'm like, no,
I don't want it to end after ten. I want
seasons like and just seeing the two of you back
on screen in middlehood, I was like, oh my god.
As a fan of nine of two now, I was like,
I want to see where all the characters are. I
(36:14):
want to see them all together again.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You guys probably know better their characters that there are
generations now that weren't even born there that love this show.
This show has a has a lifespan that's just spectacular.
There are kids of kids who grew up watching it
that are in love with this shoe and reruns. I've
been stopped a number of times, like they have to
look at me twice now, but they recognize me from
(36:37):
the show. You're that guy, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
There are people recognize feteen years old people recognize now.
I can tell when the show is really heavy and
reruns where because suddenly it's like, oh my god, like
it comes out of the woodwork right time.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
There's some network that was it all the time, twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Four hours of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Cory. To add to what you were saying, I think
what some semblance of that would have a lot absolutely
because people do want to know where are they what
are they doing the characters?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
What you're saying is we have a chance.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Any saying no, My man came up again.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Just breathe. We're gonna get you through it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I need to like come one of those she got red.
You got literally I feel flush.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
She's like, don't make these promises.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Before we go. I want you guys to plug Middlehood.
Tell everybody where they can see it and everything they
need to know.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Watch Middlehood. Great show.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You can see it on Amazon Prime and Plex TV
and soon to be on YouTube TV.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
That's right, it is.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It is delightful. My ninety five year old mother can
barely hear. She wears headsets on to a bluetooth headst
binge the entire thing. She if. She didn't talk about me,
she talked about everyone else.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
If you like it, if you decide to do it
and you like it, please rite in about it. Because
you know, what we know is that social media is
the gift. And I'll tell you that before we leave.
The Queen of Social Media. When we started on nine
oh two, one oh and it started coming out with
Tory spelling, Queen of Social you like you knew stuff
(38:18):
about social media just before we even I did. Oh
my god, Tory, what, Oh, we're doing social media before
the whole craze of social media. You've been in the
universe for.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
A long Are you calling me an og again?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Og? Baby?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It was like chat rooms, right, Yeah, you were doing
all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You knew exactly what was going on. Like people were
saying about the show.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We're saying, yeah, and that started.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wait you said they could people should write in where
how well?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I think that if you watched like on Amazon or
you go go on to.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
You can it on Amazon?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, you rate it? That would be the best. When YouTube,
when it goes on YouTube television.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That'd be great.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
No, and then just tell friends to watch it and
you know, really share what you think would be great
because that's how independent productions are going to grow. That's
what we want to support everybody. It's at part time
in the industry.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
So if you like it and it already received an
award Best TV Show at the New York International Film Festival,
that's amazing. He's like, Oh, I forgot about.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
That, So yes, that's exactly. So that's what you can do.
That would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Well I hope everyone does.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, please, because I want to see season two or more. Yeah,
I don't want to see you guys.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
But we did we even address the fact that your
name in the show is say tell them your character, Gab.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Don't remember.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's like a version of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Adriana Adrian. Did you guys not feel the did you
that was that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah? It must have been right.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
So we didn't We didn't talk about it, but we.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Didn't talk again. And I didn't talk about They said, Gabrielle, Mark, Gabrielle,
I'm doing this thing. You want to do it. It's
just sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
One day of shooting, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
It was really fun. And but I do have to
say I have uh watched and the acting is really
I think great. Visually it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
The cast is pretty pretty terrific.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Careful.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So happy you guys.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Thank you both for for yeah, tuning into it from
your backyard there.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Thank you so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Mark, hope to see you soon. Gab will see you
this weekend.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
We're going to be We're going to be together in
North North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I'm really excited. So see you there and I'll give
you hugs and love. Okay, all right, I'm going to
bring Mark one of the times we do an appearance,
so I want Mark to come. We need to please,
oh my god, everybody. If you want, you know, you
gotta right into those cons and say we want to
have some of the other cast members join in. Go ahead,
go ahead, go ahead. It's really a fun and beautiful
(41:13):
slugging it in.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
All right, Love you both, Bye you guys, Thank you,
thank you, luck.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Take care by
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