September 2, 2025 • 39 mins
Jennie meets Northern Exposure star, podcaster and RANCHER (jealous!) Janine Turner for a candid conversation about faith, resilience and living life on your own terms. Together, they reflect on navigating life’s challenges with purpose and a strong sense of self. Janine talks about her relationships with Alec Baldwin, Northern Exposure co-star, Rob Morrow and her favorite long-horned cow, Tiger Bud!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all
about the choices we make for ourselves, and today I
am joined by someone who's made some pretty bold ones.
Janine Turner went from starring in huge shows like Northern
Exposure and Friday Night Lights to life on a Texas ranch.
(00:29):
From Emmy nominated actress to podcast host and US Constitution advocate.
Our conversation covers career pivots, spiritual grounding, motherhood, and what
it means to choose yourself even when, especially when the
world is watching. What a pleasure it is to speak
(00:49):
with Janine Turner. Hi, thank you so much for being
on our podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This is such a treat. Oh, it's a treat for me.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And you know I was doing my research. You and
I both moved. I guess you moved to Hollywood at seventeen,
and when Youth and Film Awards and that interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten about that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah look, yeah, it said you won this teen Award.
I'm like, oh, I wanted Youth in Film Award. But
it's interesting that we both were sort of discovered. I
was in New York at fifteen. But did I read
it correctly that at seventeen you moved to Hollywood like
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's wild, with no experience, no idea what I was
getting into. Brave. You're a brave girl.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I look at everything that you have accomplished in your life,
and you're a mover and a shaker.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know. I'm a lady. I gotta keep it moving,
gotta keep it fresha create create exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We both had successful TV shows and now we're both
doing rewatch podcasts where all a Sudden podcast hosts, which
is so exciting. How's it going, how's the new podcast going?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I have many I have a Oh I thought you do? Yeah?
I do? I do well.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I started podcasting before podcasting was even podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's funny because I think it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Was back in twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen around that I
had a radio show with actual call letters in Dallas
and Houston, two different places. And then during the weekdays
I would interview in this sort of like dark room
that I was renting for one hundred bucks one block
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from my daughter's school, and I was interviewing these I
was doing these forty five minute interviews and putting them
up on whatever it was back then, and it was
sort of podcasting before podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, but it was fun. I always loved.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The format where you could interview somebody for forty minutes
forty five minutes, and traditional radio it was every five minutes,
every ten minutes. And I still love the format of
being able to really get into the psyche of a
person or down into some depth of soul. And anyway,
now I have Northern Disclosure because more of the exposure
(03:02):
is streaming on Amazon Prime, which I worked for three
years with Universal Studios to get them to do that.
I said, look, rising generations don't have DVD players, and
rob and are a Northern Disclosure and that's been a
lot of fun. And then I have a God on
the Go podcast as well. So I love podcasting. I'm
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a curious person, obviously, I think you are too. I
member my father said I beg to go to college,
but I was working in New York at fifteen and
I was working in la at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
He goes, why would you go to college. You're already
making money.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But he goes, I'm not going to pay money for
you just to have an intellectual conversation with somebody.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But that's actually what I love to do. So here
we are. Yeah, you're a pro, you are seasoned at this.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I know with my rewatch podcast, it's really been eye
opening for me. You know, rewatching the show from beginning
to end, you know, every week like a fan would
have back in the day, has been in just so cool,
Like I am now a super fan of my own show,
which I didn't think that would happen, but I'm really
(04:09):
into it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Is that are you feeling that way?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I think that the Northern exposure was such a special
time in all of our lives, and we lived in
Seattle together. We were sort of an acting troop removed
from Hollywood, and we bonded. And the show was so
intellectually stimulating, quirky, sexy in a way flashbacks. They quoted
Young and Freud and Walt Whitman, and the music was
(04:34):
opera whatever it may be, and the writing was incredibly
intriguing and challenging. And so we to be able to
revisit it thirty five thirty years later and to bring
on the cast, I echo what you're saying. It's a
real treasure. It's just a treasure and it's great that
we can sort of log this for posterity, for a legacy.
(04:58):
And of course I'm thinking, well, probably in about ten years,
this won't even be anything anybody does.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, they won't even know how to listen to a podcast.
I know it'll be on their wrist or in their chips.
I don't know, yeah, chip in the head. Maybe we will.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Survive in the record up there in the heaven, so
let's hope.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, it must be so fun reconnecting with Rob and
getting to just sort of dive deep with the all
the co stars and crew members everything.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Is that what y'all are doing too? Are you having
crew members, producers, things of that nature? Guess yeah, we have.
For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
We go into the guest stars and we really want
to know what their experience was like on the show,
because it's usually so different than our experience, and also
just checking in with them and seeing like where they
are now and what their life has been like. You know,
it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It is so long, and you're not as quite as
judgmental of the show. Right during the day, it was like,
oh they cut out of that close up. Yeah, I
wish this I wish that, but now we're just ah, look, I.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Know, like I am usually not want to watch myself
watch my work. It gets I don't know, I just
don't enjoy it. But there's something about sitting down and
cozying up to an episode of the OG Show that
is just comforting. And I'm continually like, wow, look at her,
Like I think that that was such an amazing time
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in my life. And I was so busy working all
the time that it was really hard to like get it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Then, m true because we were in the midst of it,
and now we can look. I always knew the show
was special, and I was very blessed because I had
eight dollars left before Northern Exposure, and I was holding
out for something besides a bikini roll.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh you know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, so once it's a long, long story, I won't
go into it. But once I book Northern Exposure, it
was funny because I was willing at that point because
I had eight dollars left. I said, Okay, God, whatever
you want. I was trying to hold out for something
of integrity. But if that's not what you want, and
do I go back to college? Do I do go
back to a soap opera. I'd started in a soap
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opera general Hospital in nineteen eighty one, What.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Do I do?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I kept and then I still didn't get a
couple of projects. But then I booked Northern and Exposure.
And God is good because it was everything for which
I had been waiting, and I never I mean, I
just couldn't see it. So it's really interesting to think
about that. We see the myopic sort of threads, but
God sees the whole tapestry.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, it's so interesting that story because you just gave it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Up well my will, you know, it's like letting go
of your will a little bit. I mean, it's that
fine line between I was thinking about your show, about
all the times of my life where I've stood up
for myself, whether it's in work or private life, or
with my daughter or whatever it might have been for
standing up for her as well, but then also in
the workplace standing up for myself, and then it all
(08:00):
I just got to the point where I thought I
was on the right track.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But then I had eight dollars left, so I wasn't
sure anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But God proved to me I was on the right track,
and booking Northern exp But she was one of those
first characters that chopped her own wood, flew her own plane.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And oh my god, she was loving a heroine.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, your haircut alone in that show was inspiring.
My dad used to say to me, I know it short,
but does it have to be that short?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh, Dad's They always liked the longer hair. They wanted
us to look like children forever. Yes, yes, yeah, what
an impact.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The show had. It was just such a huge hit.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But you decided, I'm just really curious, like, what was
your choice? What helped you make the choice to check
out of Hollywood and go to Texas and raise your
daughter on a farm.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, I had checked out of Hollywood twice in my life.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The first time I had been engaged to Alec Bald
when I was twenty years old and I was watching
and we were just off our soap operas.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I forget he was on Young Doctor.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What was he on Doctor? I don't know what he
was on, but I was on General Hospital. And my
first big show though, was from Dallas. I got my
start on Dallas and the producer David Jacobs had a
thirteen episode series I look back now and I say
that was really pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I got a job pretty quick out of the But
I the first time that I checked out of Hollywood
was when I was twenty three and I thought, I
can't do any more bikini roles. I'm watching Alec get
all these fabulous male roles and I'm just being sort
of objectified. So my agents fired me and said, if
you moved to Hollywood, we don't want to represent you know.
(09:38):
I said, well, okay, I got to follow my truth.
I found the method acting coach, cut my hair, cut
my you know, no fingernaut polish things that nature, and
really studied. So I checked out of Hollywood that at
that point and booked Northern Exposure out of New York.
And the second time was yes, I kind of walked
away from my daughter and I was offered you know, CBS.
(09:59):
They used to call me all the time, begged me
to do a series and to move back to Los Angeles.
But I'm like, well, I have my daughter now, and
I was a single mom because I'd sort of stood
up for myself in that and for her in that regard.
But then and then I was offered Chicago, you know,
on Broadway and well, I was to go meet Anne Riiking.
I passed the singing part, and I'm like, well, who's
(10:20):
going to take care of my daughter?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So I did. I made a lot of sacrifices for
my daughter. I didn't. That's so special, though.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you think that that big choice to move changed
your perspective on things?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's interesting how at that point, I want, Well, when
Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty episodes, which you
and I both know never happens, right, it's a big order,
this clock shifted in me, and all of a sudden,
these bells rang, and I never knew that I wanted
to go back to Texas.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I was like, because I couldn't. I mean, in those days,
you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Put yourself on tape, which I don't even like today, because.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But you had to be here. Yeah, yeah, you had
to be there.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I still think it should be that way quite frankly,
but I mean you had to be in New York
or LA. But when Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty,
all of a sudden, I wanted to pick up truck,
a horse, a ranch, and I want to move back home.
And I never knew that that was even lurking within me.
But once I had sort of hit that pinnacle, it
was what I wanted. And so I'm thrilled I raise
my daughter here in Texas. And it's just interesting though,
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now that I'm sixty two and my daughter's off living
her own life. It's funny how life gives us a
kind of checkpoints of to reevaluate our lives and to think,
what would I have done a little bit differently?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Would you have made a different choice? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I don't know if people ask that, like what would
you do differently? And I when my daughter was born,
I said, well nothing because everything led to her, right,
you know, Now that she's grown and sort of things
are challenging, I look back.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
On hmm, you know, hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe I should have in Chicago. Maybe I should have
stayed in La a little bit, and things that nature.
So it is.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It is interesting, especially.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
As a mother and you have three children, and I
didn't have a Her father wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He just walked, and so it was.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It became sort of an all encompassing aspect for me.
It was really all about her. And look, she's a
wonderful young woman. She has a not that I cared
what she did. But she's graduate from law school, she's independent,
she's doing her things. She's married to a wonderful man.
So you know, but you sit back now, it's kind
of twiddling your thumbs saying.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Did I sacrifice too much? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I know it's hard because our instinct is to sacrifice
everything like you did. I did the same thing. I
moved out of LA for a couple of years. I
think it was at the end of a you know,
my relationship with their dad, and I just kind of
needed to check out and get away and I kind
of retired. I told my manager, hey, I'm retiring, and
(13:00):
I just focused on them for solid two years. And
at that point I was, you know, I needed to
go back to work for all kinds of reasons, but
that two years was heaven for me, just being able
to focus on my daughters and their well being and them,
you know, especially at a very transitional time in all
(13:21):
their lives. I think it was the best thing I
could have done. And you know, you moving to Texas
and having a horse trailer dreams for me, that's where
I come from. So I feel like I'm going to
go back to that too, and I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Wait I've got horses and longhorn cattle out there. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I will echo what you're saying though, in that when
my daughter was a baby, she was the most important
thing in the world to me, and I believe in
those first three to five years and how important it is.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And I still did you know doctor t and the women.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I did the serious strong medicine, But I left Strong
Medicine after a couple of years because I could see
that I wanted to say those precious times with my
daughter and I didn't want her to be raised even
though she was on set with me. You know, I
was running around six am to six pm, and it's
distract or distracted. Yeah, And I thought, I'll never get
these years back. And I think those begin those formative
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years of a child are so incredibly important. And she
was my joy and my gift and so I lovered
more than anything in the world. So I wouldn't I
wouldn't want to change especially those formative years at all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
Now our methods are a little bit different, but we
have a shared spirituality. You and I. I love to
meditate and garden, and you've talked about doing yoga and
journaling and following twelve steps. How do you think those
rituals that you've put in place in your life have
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kept you grounded over the years.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh, you know, I've thought about that as well as
you know. I choose me as the topic, and I
couldn't do it without my faith. I mean everyone, we're
a nation of freedom of religion, so everybody has their
own religion. And I'm completely you know if I'm not
trying to convert anybody, but I've always been a Christian
and my faith, especially as a single mom, and I
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found that I was going to be a single mom,
it became pivotal in me because just the strength that
I could garner, the higher realm, the higher sense of consciousness,
the higher purpose. And I taught my daughter that and
I think I think we're missing it in our society today.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I think we're with.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Social media and culture, you know, the cultural impact and
the news and all these things, and it's not hip
to love God. It's it's not cool to have faith.
It's sort of especially in our business right. I mean,
we may hear people in the Christian the the the
music business, thank God, but it's sort of anti cool
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to have faith.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And that's unfortunate because.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I mean, I think we're all going to find out
one day, you know what I mean, that there's a
higher power. And I love metaphysics, I love science. I
love the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel
about this potential you know, bubble that they have found
that no one can penetrate and it's invisible to us.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I believe in the other dimension.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So I'm not limited in my thinking, but I don't
I don't think that I think without my faith. I've
really chosen myself. And if it wasn't hip, the cool,
if if people didn't like it, and it's interesting. I
I had my gott on the Go podcast and I
just did an interview and I posted it and I thought, well,
let's see how many viewers I lose, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It's like, how many viewers am I going to offend here?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I thought, well, okay, I just have to be
true to who I am, and if they want to
walk away, they can, but most don't. But because my
message is really just finding a way to survive the
day and dealing with our own sense of humanity. And
I couldn't do without my faith without saying God helped
me through this, God get me through the day, God
give me a higher purpose, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's interesting because I lived most of my life without
a faith. I was raised Christian and not super We
didn't go to church regularly, just occasionally. But I loved
like going to Bible study on my own, and I
love being a part of the little community of our
town's church. And then I grew up and life happened,
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and the world got so big and busy that I
kind of love touch with any religion, any faith. And
it wasn't until like later in my life, I mean
in my forties that I was really struggling and I
just knew that I had to have I had to
find faith somewhere to support me and doing that and
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you know, my faith may be different than your faith
or and the other person's faith, but just faith in general,
in something higher power or guardian.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Angels or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's comforting and it's reassuring, and it makes you feel
like you're not alone.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, and I have felt alone many times in my life,
like devastatingly alone, whether it's circumstantial or literal, you know,
But to gosh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Just I wish more of our rising youth had that thought.
It's one thing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I know we kind of have to take it out
of our schools because you can't force a faith on anybody,
and I wouldn't want that. But I think I've had
this sort of idea that kids take fifteen twenty minutes
to go to sort of the room of their choice.
I mean, like I don't want to go to any god,
or I want to go play in the playground, or
I want to go this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I don't want to go there, I want to go
to this.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's just because so that students could be in school
ingrained with the thought that there's a higher purpose, because
I think when we're so involved in ourselves, it never
ends up well, at least in my book. I've got
to think, Okay, I'm here for a reason. What's my
purpose and guide me to try to do it to
a higher level.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I fail at that all the time too.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I have a prayer group and it's so sweet, and
then thirty minutes later I'm having a meltdown. Oh my god,
everything in the world back into my own hands, and
I am such I fail at it all the time,
But you can only come back.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To it, which isn't the best part. Like, we make mistakes,
we go off our paths, but there's some basis there
to always come back to return to.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, thank goodness, I have a forgiving god, you know. Yeah,
that humanity. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So what are some of your favorite ways to stay grounded?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, I think it's nature.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, first of all, I think we've talked about my faith,
So that's first and foremost nature.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I love nature. A bird to bird fanatic. Wait wait, wait,
were you always.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
A bird person or did this happen at a certain age,
because all of a sudden, I'm a bird person?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
No, are you really?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Like deep, there's an app. I have an app that
tells me who's talking to me when.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh yeah, I need to get that app. It's it's
called Merlin or something.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yes, yes, I just heard about it, and I haven't
had time to download it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
No, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You just like record wherever you are and it tells
you what birds are around you.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Because this morning I heard a little bird outside my window,
and I'm like, oh, I want to know what kind
of bird that is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
But I my mother's living with me now.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I've taken and my eighty eight year old mom and
I live in a little cottage. I live in sort
of what was always supposed to be the guest house,
but I've never gotten around a big to building, the
bigger house, you know. And so my mom's right downstairs
and she gets to see the squirrels and the birds
and flying around in nature. And I have morning glories
and this wild sort of indigenous garden and I have
to get out there and mow at myself and weed
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eat it myself.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh my god, I'm in love with you right now.
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's just like it's so much work. But I have
horses and cattle and birds and nature. So I think
I think it's it's God and then it's nature. Are
the are the two things that really center me? And
and reading? I think that when I turn on the
TV I'm curious and there are all these cool shows
I want to read and podcasts, but reading really sort
of anything that's whether it's writing, reading, coloring. My mom said,
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don't tell anybody you call her.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like mom, it's hip now.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
They sell and barn Barnes and Noble, but just anything
that's sort of monassory, you know, Montessori school, you put
your finger in the sand, an.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Those type of things. It was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I was in an apple store recently and I said,
does anybody have a pen? And they were all like, ah,
what's a pin? No, I had one, But it's like,
I still think your kids should learn cursive. And there's
something organically about just tactile sort of organic things. So
anything like that brings me back to some sort of peace.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And you know, we just spend our lives rushing and
doing so much that we forget about. You don't notice
the birds. And it's not until you sit and get
quiet and are comfortable sitting with yourself out in nature
that you're like, Wow, there's a whole world happening right
here in my backyard, and it's like you can watch
it forever.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, and the stars and I look at birds and
like a painted bunting. I have painted bendings, and I think,
of God, I'm like, who they're painting all these birds created,
all these little birds and all their little colors.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But I just think the stars nature.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's another thing I'm really worried about Texas quite frankly,
because it's just become overrun with warehouses and people moving
here and the land is not being preserved. So I'm
going to dedicate my land to being a nature preserve.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh I love that. You know. Wait, painted butting. Oh wait,
you see I'm a bird person, and you said, okay,
painted bun It's a little bitty bird.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's not really big, and it has sort of red
or green and yellow and red.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's an indigo bunting.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
There's an indigo bunting and a painted bunting, and they
they're just sort of they're just colored everywhere. They have
like a splotch of color on their back, and they're beautiful.
I don't know what kind of sound they make, but
I'll walk out in the morning and there'll be this
bird that's sort of been like like do you remember
the Call and Dances with Wolves? At the very end,
he was on the cliff and he was making this call,
you know, the Native American was, and it's like every
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I go out there and there's this call, this bird
that calls to me in the morning, and oh, they're
just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I love it. I just noticed a butterfly.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
A monarch, a beautiful monarch that is always in my backyard.
I kind of rearranged my furniture on my back porch
so that I was looking out instead of looking at
the other people. And so now I'm just sit there
and I work from my I call it my new office.
I work from that couch and I just see nature
all day, and it's so distracting. I hardly get any
(24:22):
work done.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Sometimes well, the cows come up, and oh my god,
I know cows.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Angus cattle.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think I have Guinness Book of World Records Angus cattle.
There's big as elephants. I have four because I bought
one when my father died, because I thought in honor
of him. And then I have long horns with the big,
huge long horns, and they and I remember when I
was shopping for property, there was this little house and
the cows were roaming all around the house.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And I love that that's what I want. That's what
I want. So my cows just roam right around the house.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You look out the window, there's this ginormous cow and they,
you know, I feed them and fill up their water.
Trouss And I don't look anything like this. I'm just saying, yeah,
now you're like, you're like bear faced. I got a visual.
I love the faces up frizzy night count. My mom's like,
I can't believe you're wearing your nightgown to the to
(25:17):
take out the trash at the you know this, I'm like,
why not a nightgown?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It looks like a dress. And I'm comfortable. So there
and I.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Come back in a full sweat, just like a full sweat.
But it's it's fun to be out there.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I love that so much.
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Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm curious though, but the horns on the longhorns, what
happens do they like?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Are you scared of those horns or did they poke
things well in the house?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, pophorns keep their horns forever, and like dear, I think,
dear shit their horns. But longhorns, they grow and they
grow and they grow and they just keep growing. And
I find that the longhorn breed is incredibly gentle, just
incredibly gentle. They'll walk up to the barn, and they
know not to cross the threshold.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Most of the time, they're well mannered. The angles will
go in there and knock everything down. Yeah, but they're
very sweet the angus.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
But and I don't eat my own beef, and I
don't sell them for beef, you know, I can't possibly.
I watched, sort of like gorillas in the mist, the
different generations of my longhorns. About four generations down. There
was this baby that another cow a longhorn, was trying
to capture, like I'm gonna take you from mine, And
out of the woods came the great great grandmother like
(27:36):
and she came running and she got that baby back
to her daughter. And it's been fascinating to watch the
generations and how they hang together. The daughters will stay
with the mothers and things of that nature. So it's
and then you can I mean, I sell them for ornaments,
you know, for people who just want to have them
in their backyard.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That would be my favorite thing to do. Just pet
them and look at them and talk to them.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And tiger Bud's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And I literally go talk to him and feed him,
and I can hand feed him and touch his horns
and all that not. Some of them a little more skittish.
But yeah, it's a full time job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, but gosh, sounds great.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's a good escape because every day I have to
go deal with him. So if I'm sitting inside and
I'm working from my computer, you know, and you don't
want to get it. You can do everything inside your house,
you don't have it forces me. I have to take
that walk, I have to go down to the barn.
I have to take care of a body. And it's
a good thing. Yeah, I want to ride more. I
have horses that I can't really ride there. One's thirty
(28:36):
and the other one's too wild. So wouldn't it be
nice to have a horse? You know, when I used
to have horses that I rode, But then when Juliette
was born, I was a single mother. I was too
afraid of something happening to me on a horse. And
now that I'm sixty two, she's on her own, her
own thing, and I'm sort of non existent. I'm like, well, hey,
I want to get a horse, but they're so expensive.
To get a horse that you can actually ride.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, if it's a trained horse, forget it. Yeah, just
get one and train it yourself. What a bond you
would have with that hours would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Get a baby. I love this farm life. You started
on a farm, you raised on a farm where Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I am.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I have a place up in Santynez. I had to
sell it, but I have my horses boarded somewhere else.
And my beautiful Blondie, my best friend that I basically birthed,
like with I was in the folding stall with her.
Oh when she came out and she just passed away,
(29:37):
And gosh, is that hard?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's like, who like your best friend? Same with my dog.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Though I'm I connect with animals deeply, and then when
they die, it's just rips your heart out.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I have four pets up here in the bedroom with
me because my mother's allergic. So I have three dogs
and a kitty cat that I rescued one of the
movies that I did. So my animals are everything to me.
And then when you have them, as you know, we're
older now, right, So I've had a lot of pets
that have lived in fourteen fifteen years of age and
to watch them go is And when my horse passed,
(30:11):
my horse that I rode all through northern exposure. When
I went to buy her, her name was Maggie, like oh, and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
She put her note.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We were so bonded. And when she passed, I was
filming Friday Night Lights and Julie. It was about eight
or nine or ten, I guess, and I was crying
on the way down to go film.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No one really relates when you say my horse side,
you know. But I've had her for about eighteen years.
But I believe she's still with me in spirit. I
really do. I choose to believe that too, about anyone
who's passed.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, true, especially family, but our pets too, for sure,
our pets.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I had a good cry yesterday about my Pearl, my
beautiful dog that passed away this year. And I have
this little like a little statue of a dog that
looks like her. It's not really her, but I have
it from my mirror in the car. And I never
go anywhere. I never drive. So I happened to be
driving yesterday and there she was, and she was just
like twirling around in the sun on that little dangly thing,
(31:13):
and I just burst into tears.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And I was kind of dog. She was a big
golden doodle, black golden doodle, old doodle.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I have a labrador right here and she's shedding
all over.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh I can't handle that, but they're you know, I
love that.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I love the doodles look fantastic because I've had I
was raised with poodles and German shepherds and now labadors.
But oh my gosh, she's she's so smart and so sweet.
And my mother's living with me now, and she will
go over to my mother, lean into her and put
her paw on her knee, you know, like as an
emotion port, and she'll look at me like, see what
I'm doing. I'm like, that's a good.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Animals are so I know.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I want to circle back on the on the dating
and rewind back to when you were dating famous men.
You know, you were with Alec Baldwin, like you said,
Sylvester Stallone and I know what a whirlwind and that
is it just in general, but talk about doing it
(32:13):
in Hollywood on top of that, and these are very
famous men. So what was that like for you? Let's
you know, like, what did you learn about relationships from that?
Now that we're older.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And we have this hindsight.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Well, I think I learned how to take care of myself,
you know, because I Alec and I met at an
audition for Cutter to Houston, and he looked at me
across the crowded room, and I looked at him, and
then we walked into her room and I didn't get
the job. And later my age was like, why didn't
you get the job? And they said, because Alec was
(32:50):
so flustered, you know what I mean around you that
and Alec tracked me down somehow, and then you didn't
show up for three dates.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He stood me up for three days. I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And my mother was again living with me because she
was going through a divorce and my mother married and divorced.
My mother and my father were married three times.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Wow to each other.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That's interesting, and in between they married somebody else. So
who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
The way we were kind of explains my childhood. But
so Alec and I fell in love and then we
were engaged and to be married, and I have I
found it and I'm thinking about posting on social media,
but I don't know, it might be too weird.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But I found the invitation to our wed deep.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You had invitations made up, We had invitations, the dress,
the dresses, everything was planned, and it was about three
weeks to a month out. And you know, I was
raised by beloved, beautiful, deep, rich, good, loving parents, but
(33:55):
it was very volatile and traumatic. And when I saw
that Alec and I were repeating those patterns and I
was only twenty one, but talking about choosing yourself, I
remember we were walking along the street in Westwoods I
lived in Westwick, California, and I looked at him and
we were hugging on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I said, we can't. I can't do it. We can't
do it, we just can't.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I knew I was repeating cycles if I did that,
And he said, well, what will people think?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And I said, it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And I was twenty one, right, I was twenty one,
so to be able to make that kind of decision,
to say no, this isn't going to work. And you know,
we sort of continue to see each other like you do,
for two or three years afterwards, and we're still we're
still close, you know, every now and then he'll well,
we'll send a text or chat or something. And I
loved Alek. He was my first love. I was a Baptist,
(34:50):
you know what I mean. You had to get married,
you know. But it's like, I still love Alec, but
it was it was a choice I made that it
didn't seem like it was going to be healthy for
either of us. Really, we both had a lot of
things we both needed to learn. So that was the
first Sylvester was was really more of an acquaintance, you know.
People like to say that, but Sylvester and I had
(35:12):
a few dates, but he was much more Hollywood than
I was.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And once again I was like, I'm not going to
get that plastic surgery and I'm not going to work
out the way you know, I'm going to be me.
And but but we filmed The Cliffhanger together and it
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
But I'd watch him.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Get off the you know, the the helicopter with two women,
you know, one on each arm, and oh my god,
I just like, well.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm not going to do that, you know. But I
still love Sylvester.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I think Sylvester is a brilliant man, a good person.
Cared for him deeply, and when we were filming a
Cliffhanger together. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So I think that, you know, if people ask why
did you date?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
In a weird sort of way, they were the ones
that asked, you know, it was kind of like I
was in their circle. I remember when s Vester I
was at this restaurant called Columbus's, which is also where
I met Mikel Berrishakov.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It was it was the place do you remember it
in New York? Were you over there?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No, it was on the Columbus in New York in
seventy second and you would walk in there and it
was the hangout. And I lived at sixty sixth and Columbus.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was very close. You'd see anybody there any night.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And that's where I met Mikel Bershakov and Warren Beatty
at the same table.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
And those were the days, right, those were the days
where they were like icons. I remember reading in the
paper about Michail Berishakov, you know, escaping Communism in the
newspaper when I was fifteen, sixteen years of age, and
I was a ballerina, so it was all it was
very all inspiring for me. But that place was something else,
(36:44):
you know, and I met Sylvester there and he walked,
he got up and he walked over to my table,
and the whole restaurant went silent.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Oh my god, oh restaurant. My friends said, do you
hear how silent?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
This restaurant is like yeah, He's like, ht hi, he goes,
wh did to come see my painting sometime? And I'm like, oh,
oh nice, what a line?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I know whatever, It's so good.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But in each one of those relationships, I really learned
how to choose myself, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I mean that's great, and you ultimately do from relationships
good or bad. I think that's the ultimate takeaway.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'd like to have one where I can actually get married.
I'm like, dear God, am sixty. You want to get married?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I think about that. I'm like, what would marriage look like?
You know, I'm so used to my labbador shedding all
over my bed? Right?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Your life is that?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Like you have a life? Like how do I bring
a man into this? But it would be nice. I
think my daughter's grown now and my mother's eighty eight.
I'm taking care of her. I think it would be nice.
And I think that's one of those things you can't
quite picture until it happens, and so I'm going to
put that in God's hands. But I would love you know,
and at my wedding, if I ever get married again,
I'm I'm gonna have this song at Last by Edie
(37:59):
j Son.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You got that song out last?
Speaker 8 (38:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Perfect? Oh my gosh. I'm I'm gonna put it out
there for you too. I want you to have a wedding.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, well you come, you'll have to come. Oh come,
I'll be right there crying. I'll get my own wedding finally.
So great.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm so inspired by Janni Turner. I just know she'll
have the wedding of her dreams and anything.
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You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all
about the choices we make for ourselves, and today I
am joined by someone who's made some pretty bold ones.
Janine Turner went from starring in huge shows like Northern
Exposure and Friday Night Lights to life on a Texas ranch.
(00:29):
From Emmy nominated actress to podcast host and US Constitution advocate.
Our conversation covers career pivots, spiritual grounding, motherhood, and what
it means to choose yourself even when, especially when the
world is watching. What a pleasure it is to speak
(00:49):
with Janine Turner. Hi, thank you so much for being
on our podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This is such a treat. Oh, it's a treat for me.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And you know I was doing my research. You and
I both moved. I guess you moved to Hollywood at seventeen,
and when Youth and Film Awards and that interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten about that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah look, yeah, it said you won this teen Award.
I'm like, oh, I wanted Youth in Film Award. But
it's interesting that we both were sort of discovered. I
was in New York at fifteen. But did I read
it correctly that at seventeen you moved to Hollywood like
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's wild, with no experience, no idea what I was
getting into. Brave. You're a brave girl.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I look at everything that you have accomplished in your life,
and you're a mover and a shaker.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know. I'm a lady. I gotta keep it moving,
gotta keep it fresha create create exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We both had successful TV shows and now we're both
doing rewatch podcasts where all a Sudden podcast hosts, which
is so exciting. How's it going, how's the new podcast going?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I have many I have a Oh I thought you do? Yeah?
I do? I do well.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I started podcasting before podcasting was even podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's funny because I think it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Was back in twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen around that I
had a radio show with actual call letters in Dallas
and Houston, two different places. And then during the weekdays
I would interview in this sort of like dark room
that I was renting for one hundred bucks one block
(02:27):
from my daughter's school, and I was interviewing these I
was doing these forty five minute interviews and putting them
up on whatever it was back then, and it was
sort of podcasting before podcasting.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, but it was fun. I always loved.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The format where you could interview somebody for forty minutes
forty five minutes, and traditional radio it was every five minutes,
every ten minutes. And I still love the format of
being able to really get into the psyche of a
person or down into some depth of soul. And anyway,
now I have Northern Disclosure because more of the exposure
(03:02):
is streaming on Amazon Prime, which I worked for three
years with Universal Studios to get them to do that.
I said, look, rising generations don't have DVD players, and
rob and are a Northern Disclosure and that's been a
lot of fun. And then I have a God on
the Go podcast as well. So I love podcasting. I'm
(03:22):
a curious person, obviously, I think you are too. I
member my father said I beg to go to college,
but I was working in New York at fifteen and
I was working in la at seventeen.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
He goes, why would you go to college. You're already
making money.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
But he goes, I'm not going to pay money for
you just to have an intellectual conversation with somebody.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But that's actually what I love to do. So here
we are. Yeah, you're a pro, you are seasoned at this.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I know with my rewatch podcast, it's really been eye
opening for me. You know, rewatching the show from beginning
to end, you know, every week like a fan would
have back in the day, has been in just so cool,
Like I am now a super fan of my own show,
which I didn't think that would happen, but I'm really
(04:09):
into it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Is that are you feeling that way?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I think that the Northern exposure was such a special
time in all of our lives, and we lived in
Seattle together. We were sort of an acting troop removed
from Hollywood, and we bonded. And the show was so
intellectually stimulating, quirky, sexy in a way flashbacks. They quoted
Young and Freud and Walt Whitman, and the music was
(04:34):
opera whatever it may be, and the writing was incredibly
intriguing and challenging. And so we to be able to
revisit it thirty five thirty years later and to bring
on the cast, I echo what you're saying. It's a
real treasure. It's just a treasure and it's great that
we can sort of log this for posterity, for a legacy.
(04:58):
And of course I'm thinking, well, probably in about ten years,
this won't even be anything anybody does.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, they won't even know how to listen to a podcast.
I know it'll be on their wrist or in their chips.
I don't know, yeah, chip in the head. Maybe we will.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Survive in the record up there in the heaven, so
let's hope.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, it must be so fun reconnecting with Rob and
getting to just sort of dive deep with the all
the co stars and crew members everything.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Is that what y'all are doing too? Are you having
crew members, producers, things of that nature? Guess yeah, we have.
For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
We go into the guest stars and we really want
to know what their experience was like on the show,
because it's usually so different than our experience, and also
just checking in with them and seeing like where they
are now and what their life has been like. You know,
it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It is so long, and you're not as quite as
judgmental of the show. Right during the day, it was like,
oh they cut out of that close up. Yeah, I
wish this I wish that, but now we're just ah, look, I.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Know, like I am usually not want to watch myself
watch my work. It gets I don't know, I just
don't enjoy it. But there's something about sitting down and
cozying up to an episode of the OG Show that
is just comforting. And I'm continually like, wow, look at her,
Like I think that that was such an amazing time
(06:29):
in my life. And I was so busy working all
the time that it was really hard to like get it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Then, m true because we were in the midst of it,
and now we can look. I always knew the show
was special, and I was very blessed because I had
eight dollars left before Northern Exposure, and I was holding
out for something besides a bikini roll.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh you know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, so once it's a long, long story, I won't
go into it. But once I book Northern Exposure, it
was funny because I was willing at that point because
I had eight dollars left. I said, Okay, God, whatever
you want. I was trying to hold out for something
of integrity. But if that's not what you want, and
do I go back to college? Do I do go
back to a soap opera. I'd started in a soap
(07:08):
opera general Hospital in nineteen eighty one, What.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Do I do?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I kept and then I still didn't get a
couple of projects. But then I booked Northern and Exposure.
And God is good because it was everything for which
I had been waiting, and I never I mean, I
just couldn't see it. So it's really interesting to think
about that. We see the myopic sort of threads, but
God sees the whole tapestry.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, it's so interesting that story because you just gave it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Up well my will, you know, it's like letting go
of your will a little bit. I mean, it's that
fine line between I was thinking about your show, about
all the times of my life where I've stood up
for myself, whether it's in work or private life, or
with my daughter or whatever it might have been for
standing up for her as well, but then also in
the workplace standing up for myself, and then it all
(08:00):
I just got to the point where I thought I
was on the right track.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But then I had eight dollars left, so I wasn't
sure anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But God proved to me I was on the right track,
and booking Northern exp But she was one of those
first characters that chopped her own wood, flew her own plane.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And oh my god, she was loving a heroine.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I mean, your haircut alone in that show was inspiring.
My dad used to say to me, I know it short,
but does it have to be that short?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh, Dad's They always liked the longer hair. They wanted
us to look like children forever. Yes, yes, yeah, what
an impact.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The show had. It was just such a huge hit.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
But you decided, I'm just really curious, like, what was
your choice? What helped you make the choice to check
out of Hollywood and go to Texas and raise your
daughter on a farm.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, I had checked out of Hollywood twice in my life.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
The first time I had been engaged to Alec Bald
when I was twenty years old and I was watching
and we were just off our soap operas.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I forget he was on Young Doctor.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What was he on Doctor? I don't know what he
was on, but I was on General Hospital. And my
first big show though, was from Dallas. I got my
start on Dallas and the producer David Jacobs had a
thirteen episode series I look back now and I say
that was really pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I got a job pretty quick out of the But
I the first time that I checked out of Hollywood
was when I was twenty three and I thought, I
can't do any more bikini roles. I'm watching Alec get
all these fabulous male roles and I'm just being sort
of objectified. So my agents fired me and said, if
you moved to Hollywood, we don't want to represent you know.
(09:38):
I said, well, okay, I got to follow my truth.
I found the method acting coach, cut my hair, cut
my you know, no fingernaut polish things that nature, and
really studied. So I checked out of Hollywood that at
that point and booked Northern Exposure out of New York.
And the second time was yes, I kind of walked
away from my daughter and I was offered you know, CBS.
(09:59):
They used to call me all the time, begged me
to do a series and to move back to Los Angeles.
But I'm like, well, I have my daughter now, and
I was a single mom because I'd sort of stood
up for myself in that and for her in that regard.
But then and then I was offered Chicago, you know,
on Broadway and well, I was to go meet Anne Riiking.
I passed the singing part, and I'm like, well, who's
(10:20):
going to take care of my daughter?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So I did. I made a lot of sacrifices for
my daughter. I didn't. That's so special, though.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you think that that big choice to move changed
your perspective on things?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's interesting how at that point, I want, Well, when
Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty episodes, which you
and I both know never happens, right, it's a big order,
this clock shifted in me, and all of a sudden,
these bells rang, and I never knew that I wanted
to go back to Texas.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I was like, because I couldn't. I mean, in those days,
you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Put yourself on tape, which I don't even like today, because.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But you had to be here. Yeah, yeah, you had
to be there.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I still think it should be that way quite frankly,
but I mean you had to be in New York
or LA. But when Northern Exposure was picked up for fifty,
all of a sudden, I wanted to pick up truck,
a horse, a ranch, and I want to move back home.
And I never knew that that was even lurking within me.
But once I had sort of hit that pinnacle, it
was what I wanted. And so I'm thrilled I raise
my daughter here in Texas. And it's just interesting though,
(11:22):
now that I'm sixty two and my daughter's off living
her own life. It's funny how life gives us a
kind of checkpoints of to reevaluate our lives and to think,
what would I have done a little bit differently?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Would you have made a different choice? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I don't know if people ask that, like what would
you do differently? And I when my daughter was born,
I said, well nothing because everything led to her, right,
you know, Now that she's grown and sort of things
are challenging, I look back.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
On hmm, you know, hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe I should have in Chicago. Maybe I should have
stayed in La a little bit, and things that nature.
So it is.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It is interesting, especially.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
As a mother and you have three children, and I
didn't have a Her father wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He just walked, and so it was.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It became sort of an all encompassing aspect for me.
It was really all about her. And look, she's a
wonderful young woman. She has a not that I cared
what she did. But she's graduate from law school, she's independent,
she's doing her things. She's married to a wonderful man.
So you know, but you sit back now, it's kind
of twiddling your thumbs saying.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Did I sacrifice too much? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I know it's hard because our instinct is to sacrifice
everything like you did. I did the same thing. I
moved out of LA for a couple of years. I
think it was at the end of a you know,
my relationship with their dad, and I just kind of
needed to check out and get away and I kind
of retired. I told my manager, hey, I'm retiring, and
(13:00):
I just focused on them for solid two years. And
at that point I was, you know, I needed to
go back to work for all kinds of reasons, but
that two years was heaven for me, just being able
to focus on my daughters and their well being and them,
you know, especially at a very transitional time in all
(13:21):
their lives. I think it was the best thing I
could have done. And you know, you moving to Texas
and having a horse trailer dreams for me, that's where
I come from. So I feel like I'm going to
go back to that too, and I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Wait I've got horses and longhorn cattle out there. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I will echo what you're saying though, in that when
my daughter was a baby, she was the most important
thing in the world to me, and I believe in
those first three to five years and how important it is.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And I still did you know doctor t and the women.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I did the serious strong medicine, But I left Strong
Medicine after a couple of years because I could see
that I wanted to say those precious times with my
daughter and I didn't want her to be raised even
though she was on set with me. You know, I
was running around six am to six pm, and it's
distract or distracted. Yeah, And I thought, I'll never get
these years back. And I think those begin those formative
(14:16):
years of a child are so incredibly important. And she
was my joy and my gift and so I lovered
more than anything in the world. So I wouldn't I
wouldn't want to change especially those formative years at all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (14:58):
Now our methods are a little bit different, but we
have a shared spirituality. You and I. I love to
meditate and garden, and you've talked about doing yoga and
journaling and following twelve steps. How do you think those
rituals that you've put in place in your life have
(15:20):
kept you grounded over the years.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh, you know, I've thought about that as well as
you know. I choose me as the topic, and I
couldn't do it without my faith. I mean everyone, we're
a nation of freedom of religion, so everybody has their
own religion. And I'm completely you know if I'm not
trying to convert anybody, but I've always been a Christian
and my faith, especially as a single mom, and I
(15:45):
found that I was going to be a single mom,
it became pivotal in me because just the strength that
I could garner, the higher realm, the higher sense of consciousness,
the higher purpose. And I taught my daughter that and
I think I think we're missing it in our society today.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I think we're with.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Social media and culture, you know, the cultural impact and
the news and all these things, and it's not hip
to love God. It's it's not cool to have faith.
It's sort of especially in our business right. I mean,
we may hear people in the Christian the the the
music business, thank God, but it's sort of anti cool
(16:25):
to have faith.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And that's unfortunate because.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I mean, I think we're all going to find out
one day, you know what I mean, that there's a
higher power. And I love metaphysics, I love science. I
love the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel
about this potential you know, bubble that they have found
that no one can penetrate and it's invisible to us.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I believe in the other dimension.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So I'm not limited in my thinking, but I don't
I don't think that I think without my faith. I've
really chosen myself. And if it wasn't hip, the cool,
if if people didn't like it, and it's interesting. I
I had my gott on the Go podcast and I
just did an interview and I posted it and I thought, well,
let's see how many viewers I lose, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It's like, how many viewers am I going to offend here?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I thought, well, okay, I just have to be
true to who I am, and if they want to
walk away, they can, but most don't. But because my
message is really just finding a way to survive the
day and dealing with our own sense of humanity. And
I couldn't do without my faith without saying God helped
me through this, God get me through the day, God
give me a higher purpose, things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's interesting because I lived most of my life without
a faith. I was raised Christian and not super We
didn't go to church regularly, just occasionally. But I loved
like going to Bible study on my own, and I
love being a part of the little community of our
town's church. And then I grew up and life happened,
(17:56):
and the world got so big and busy that I
kind of love touch with any religion, any faith. And
it wasn't until like later in my life, I mean
in my forties that I was really struggling and I
just knew that I had to have I had to
find faith somewhere to support me and doing that and
(18:21):
you know, my faith may be different than your faith
or and the other person's faith, but just faith in general,
in something higher power or guardian.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Angels or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's comforting and it's reassuring, and it makes you feel
like you're not alone.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, and I have felt alone many times in my life,
like devastatingly alone, whether it's circumstantial or literal, you know,
But to gosh, I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Just I wish more of our rising youth had that thought.
It's one thing.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I know we kind of have to take it out
of our schools because you can't force a faith on anybody,
and I wouldn't want that. But I think I've had
this sort of idea that kids take fifteen twenty minutes
to go to sort of the room of their choice.
I mean, like I don't want to go to any god,
or I want to go play in the playground, or
I want to go this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I don't want to go there, I want to go
to this.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's just because so that students could be in school
ingrained with the thought that there's a higher purpose, because
I think when we're so involved in ourselves, it never
ends up well, at least in my book. I've got
to think, Okay, I'm here for a reason. What's my
purpose and guide me to try to do it to
a higher level.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I fail at that all the time too.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I have a prayer group and it's so sweet, and
then thirty minutes later I'm having a meltdown. Oh my god,
everything in the world back into my own hands, and
I am such I fail at it all the time,
But you can only come back.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To it, which isn't the best part. Like, we make mistakes,
we go off our paths, but there's some basis there
to always come back to return to.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, thank goodness, I have a forgiving god, you know. Yeah,
that humanity. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So what are some of your favorite ways to stay grounded?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Well, I think it's nature.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, first of all, I think we've talked about my faith,
So that's first and foremost nature.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I love nature. A bird to bird fanatic. Wait wait, wait,
were you always.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
A bird person or did this happen at a certain age,
because all of a sudden, I'm a bird person?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
No, are you really?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Like deep, there's an app. I have an app that
tells me who's talking to me when.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh yeah, I need to get that app. It's it's
called Merlin or something.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yes, yes, I just heard about it, and I haven't
had time to download it.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
No, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You just like record wherever you are and it tells
you what birds are around you.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Because this morning I heard a little bird outside my window,
and I'm like, oh, I want to know what kind
of bird that is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
But I my mother's living with me now.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I've taken and my eighty eight year old mom and
I live in a little cottage. I live in sort
of what was always supposed to be the guest house,
but I've never gotten around a big to building, the
bigger house, you know. And so my mom's right downstairs
and she gets to see the squirrels and the birds
and flying around in nature. And I have morning glories
and this wild sort of indigenous garden and I have
to get out there and mow at myself and weed
(21:20):
eat it myself.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh my god, I'm in love with you right now.
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's just like it's so much work. But I have
horses and cattle and birds and nature. So I think
I think it's it's God and then it's nature. Are
the are the two things that really center me? And
and reading? I think that when I turn on the
TV I'm curious and there are all these cool shows
I want to read and podcasts, but reading really sort
of anything that's whether it's writing, reading, coloring. My mom said,
(21:48):
don't tell anybody you call her.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Like mom, it's hip now.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
They sell and barn Barnes and Noble, but just anything
that's sort of monassory, you know, Montessori school, you put
your finger in the sand, an.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Those type of things. It was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I was in an apple store recently and I said,
does anybody have a pen? And they were all like, ah,
what's a pin? No, I had one, But it's like,
I still think your kids should learn cursive. And there's
something organically about just tactile sort of organic things. So
anything like that brings me back to some sort of peace.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And you know, we just spend our lives rushing and
doing so much that we forget about. You don't notice
the birds. And it's not until you sit and get
quiet and are comfortable sitting with yourself out in nature
that you're like, Wow, there's a whole world happening right
here in my backyard, and it's like you can watch
it forever.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, and the stars and I look at birds and
like a painted bunting. I have painted bendings, and I think,
of God, I'm like, who they're painting all these birds created,
all these little birds and all their little colors.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But I just think the stars nature.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's another thing I'm really worried about Texas quite frankly,
because it's just become overrun with warehouses and people moving
here and the land is not being preserved. So I'm
going to dedicate my land to being a nature preserve.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh I love that. You know. Wait, painted butting. Oh wait,
you see I'm a bird person, and you said, okay,
painted bun It's a little bitty bird.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's not really big, and it has sort of red
or green and yellow and red.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's an indigo bunting.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
There's an indigo bunting and a painted bunting, and they
they're just sort of they're just colored everywhere. They have
like a splotch of color on their back, and they're beautiful.
I don't know what kind of sound they make, but
I'll walk out in the morning and there'll be this
bird that's sort of been like like do you remember
the Call and Dances with Wolves? At the very end,
he was on the cliff and he was making this call,
you know, the Native American was, and it's like every
(23:52):
I go out there and there's this call, this bird
that calls to me in the morning, and oh, they're
just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I love it. I just noticed a butterfly.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
A monarch, a beautiful monarch that is always in my backyard.
I kind of rearranged my furniture on my back porch
so that I was looking out instead of looking at
the other people. And so now I'm just sit there
and I work from my I call it my new office.
I work from that couch and I just see nature
all day, and it's so distracting. I hardly get any
(24:22):
work done.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Sometimes well, the cows come up, and oh my god,
I know cows.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Angus cattle.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think I have Guinness Book of World Records Angus cattle.
There's big as elephants. I have four because I bought
one when my father died, because I thought in honor
of him. And then I have long horns with the big,
huge long horns, and they and I remember when I
was shopping for property, there was this little house and
the cows were roaming all around the house.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And I love that that's what I want. That's what
I want. So my cows just roam right around the house.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You look out the window, there's this ginormous cow and they,
you know, I feed them and fill up their water.
Trouss And I don't look anything like this. I'm just saying, yeah,
now you're like, you're like bear faced. I got a visual.
I love the faces up frizzy night count. My mom's like,
I can't believe you're wearing your nightgown to the to
(25:17):
take out the trash at the you know this, I'm like,
why not a nightgown?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It looks like a dress. And I'm comfortable. So there
and I.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Come back in a full sweat, just like a full sweat.
But it's it's fun to be out there.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I love that so much.
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Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm curious though, but the horns on the longhorns, what
happens do they like?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Are you scared of those horns or did they poke
things well in the house?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, pophorns keep their horns forever, and like dear, I think,
dear shit their horns. But longhorns, they grow and they
grow and they grow and they just keep growing. And
I find that the longhorn breed is incredibly gentle, just
incredibly gentle. They'll walk up to the barn, and they
know not to cross the threshold.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Most of the time, they're well mannered. The angles will
go in there and knock everything down. Yeah, but they're
very sweet the angus.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
But and I don't eat my own beef, and I
don't sell them for beef, you know, I can't possibly.
I watched, sort of like gorillas in the mist, the
different generations of my longhorns. About four generations down. There
was this baby that another cow a longhorn, was trying
to capture, like I'm gonna take you from mine, And
out of the woods came the great great grandmother like
(27:36):
and she came running and she got that baby back
to her daughter. And it's been fascinating to watch the
generations and how they hang together. The daughters will stay
with the mothers and things of that nature. So it's
and then you can I mean, I sell them for ornaments,
you know, for people who just want to have them
in their backyard.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
That would be my favorite thing to do. Just pet
them and look at them and talk to them.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And tiger Bud's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And I literally go talk to him and feed him,
and I can hand feed him and touch his horns
and all that not. Some of them a little more skittish.
But yeah, it's a full time job.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, but gosh, sounds great.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's a good escape because every day I have to
go deal with him. So if I'm sitting inside and
I'm working from my computer, you know, and you don't
want to get it. You can do everything inside your house,
you don't have it forces me. I have to take
that walk, I have to go down to the barn.
I have to take care of a body. And it's
a good thing. Yeah, I want to ride more. I
have horses that I can't really ride there. One's thirty
(28:36):
and the other one's too wild. So wouldn't it be
nice to have a horse? You know, when I used
to have horses that I rode, But then when Juliette
was born, I was a single mother. I was too
afraid of something happening to me on a horse. And
now that I'm sixty two, she's on her own, her
own thing, and I'm sort of non existent. I'm like, well, hey,
I want to get a horse, but they're so expensive.
To get a horse that you can actually ride.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, if it's a trained horse, forget it. Yeah, just
get one and train it yourself. What a bond you
would have with that hours would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Get a baby. I love this farm life. You started
on a farm, you raised on a farm where Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I am.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I have a place up in Santynez. I had to
sell it, but I have my horses boarded somewhere else.
And my beautiful Blondie, my best friend that I basically birthed,
like with I was in the folding stall with her.
Oh when she came out and she just passed away,
(29:37):
And gosh, is that hard?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's like, who like your best friend? Same with my dog.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Though I'm I connect with animals deeply, and then when
they die, it's just rips your heart out.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I have four pets up here in the bedroom with
me because my mother's allergic. So I have three dogs
and a kitty cat that I rescued one of the
movies that I did. So my animals are everything to me.
And then when you have them, as you know, we're
older now, right, So I've had a lot of pets
that have lived in fourteen fifteen years of age and
to watch them go is And when my horse passed,
(30:11):
my horse that I rode all through northern exposure. When
I went to buy her, her name was Maggie, like oh, and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
She put her note.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We were so bonded. And when she passed, I was
filming Friday Night Lights and Julie. It was about eight
or nine or ten, I guess, and I was crying
on the way down to go film.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No one really relates when you say my horse side,
you know. But I've had her for about eighteen years.
But I believe she's still with me in spirit. I
really do. I choose to believe that too, about anyone
who's passed.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, true, especially family, but our pets too, for sure,
our pets.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I had a good cry yesterday about my Pearl, my
beautiful dog that passed away this year. And I have
this little like a little statue of a dog that
looks like her. It's not really her, but I have
it from my mirror in the car. And I never
go anywhere. I never drive. So I happened to be
driving yesterday and there she was, and she was just
like twirling around in the sun on that little dangly thing,
(31:13):
and I just burst into tears.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And I was kind of dog. She was a big
golden doodle, black golden doodle, old doodle.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I have a labrador right here and she's shedding
all over.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh I can't handle that, but they're you know, I
love that.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I love the doodles look fantastic because I've had I
was raised with poodles and German shepherds and now labadors.
But oh my gosh, she's she's so smart and so sweet.
And my mother's living with me now, and she will
go over to my mother, lean into her and put
her paw on her knee, you know, like as an
emotion port, and she'll look at me like, see what
I'm doing. I'm like, that's a good.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Animals are so I know.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I want to circle back on the on the dating
and rewind back to when you were dating famous men.
You know, you were with Alec Baldwin, like you said,
Sylvester Stallone and I know what a whirlwind and that
is it just in general, but talk about doing it
(32:13):
in Hollywood on top of that, and these are very
famous men. So what was that like for you? Let's
you know, like, what did you learn about relationships from that?
Now that we're older.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And we have this hindsight.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Well, I think I learned how to take care of myself,
you know, because I Alec and I met at an
audition for Cutter to Houston, and he looked at me
across the crowded room, and I looked at him, and
then we walked into her room and I didn't get
the job. And later my age was like, why didn't
you get the job? And they said, because Alec was
(32:50):
so flustered, you know what I mean around you that
and Alec tracked me down somehow, and then you didn't
show up for three dates.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He stood me up for three days. I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And my mother was again living with me because she
was going through a divorce and my mother married and divorced.
My mother and my father were married three times.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Wow to each other.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That's interesting, and in between they married somebody else. So
who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
The way we were kind of explains my childhood. But
so Alec and I fell in love and then we
were engaged and to be married, and I have I
found it and I'm thinking about posting on social media,
but I don't know, it might be too weird.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But I found the invitation to our wed deep.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You had invitations made up, We had invitations, the dress,
the dresses, everything was planned, and it was about three
weeks to a month out. And you know, I was
raised by beloved, beautiful, deep, rich, good, loving parents, but
(33:55):
it was very volatile and traumatic. And when I saw
that Alec and I were repeating those patterns and I
was only twenty one, but talking about choosing yourself, I
remember we were walking along the street in Westwoods I
lived in Westwick, California, and I looked at him and
we were hugging on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I said, we can't. I can't do it. We can't
do it, we just can't.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I knew I was repeating cycles if I did that,
And he said, well, what will people think?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And I said, it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And I was twenty one, right, I was twenty one,
so to be able to make that kind of decision,
to say no, this isn't going to work. And you know,
we sort of continue to see each other like you do,
for two or three years afterwards, and we're still we're
still close, you know, every now and then he'll well,
we'll send a text or chat or something. And I
loved Alek. He was my first love. I was a Baptist,
(34:50):
you know what I mean. You had to get married,
you know. But it's like, I still love Alec, but
it was it was a choice I made that it
didn't seem like it was going to be healthy for
either of us. Really, we both had a lot of
things we both needed to learn. So that was the
first Sylvester was was really more of an acquaintance, you know.
People like to say that, but Sylvester and I had
(35:12):
a few dates, but he was much more Hollywood than
I was.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
And once again I was like, I'm not going to
get that plastic surgery and I'm not going to work
out the way you know, I'm going to be me.
And but but we filmed The Cliffhanger together and it
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
But I'd watch him.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Get off the you know, the the helicopter with two women,
you know, one on each arm, and oh my god,
I just like, well.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm not going to do that, you know. But I
still love Sylvester.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I think Sylvester is a brilliant man, a good person.
Cared for him deeply, and when we were filming a
Cliffhanger together. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So I think that, you know, if people ask why
did you date?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
In a weird sort of way, they were the ones
that asked, you know, it was kind of like I
was in their circle. I remember when s Vester I
was at this restaurant called Columbus's, which is also where
I met Mikel Berrishakov.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It was it was the place do you remember it
in New York? Were you over there?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
No, it was on the Columbus in New York in
seventy second and you would walk in there and it
was the hangout. And I lived at sixty sixth and Columbus.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was very close. You'd see anybody there any night.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And that's where I met Mikel Bershakov and Warren Beatty
at the same table.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
And those were the days, right, those were the days
where they were like icons. I remember reading in the
paper about Michail Berishakov, you know, escaping Communism in the
newspaper when I was fifteen, sixteen years of age, and
I was a ballerina, so it was all it was
very all inspiring for me. But that place was something else,
(36:44):
you know, and I met Sylvester there and he walked,
he got up and he walked over to my table,
and the whole restaurant went silent.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Oh my god, oh restaurant. My friends said, do you
hear how silent?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
This restaurant is like yeah, He's like, ht hi, he goes,
wh did to come see my painting sometime? And I'm like, oh,
oh nice, what a line?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I know whatever, It's so good.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But in each one of those relationships, I really learned
how to choose myself, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I mean that's great, and you ultimately do from relationships
good or bad. I think that's the ultimate takeaway.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'd like to have one where I can actually get married.
I'm like, dear God, am sixty. You want to get married?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I think about that. I'm like, what would marriage look like?
You know, I'm so used to my labbador shedding all
over my bed? Right?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Your life is that?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Like you have a life? Like how do I bring
a man into this? But it would be nice. I
think my daughter's grown now and my mother's eighty eight.
I'm taking care of her. I think it would be nice.
And I think that's one of those things you can't
quite picture until it happens, and so I'm going to
put that in God's hands. But I would love you know,
and at my wedding, if I ever get married again,
I'm I'm gonna have this song at Last by Edie
(37:59):
j Son.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You got that song out last?
Speaker 8 (38:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Perfect? Oh my gosh. I'm I'm gonna put it out
there for you too. I want you to have a wedding.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, well you come, you'll have to come. Oh come,
I'll be right there crying. I'll get my own wedding finally.
So great.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm so inspired by Janni Turner. I just know she'll
have the wedding of her dreams and anything.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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Speaker 8 (38:36):
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Podmeats World and we're bringing you Viva Last content.
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full week of y two k content.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Wait, we're back in Vegas. Tell me why? Well for
the Backstreet Boys residency. It's sphere.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
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just minutes before they took the stage, and our very
own Wilfredell basically became the newest member of the band
boy Band Please.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
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on the strip joins us and gets his props.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
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Speaker 8 (39:21):
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