March 15, 2021 • 49 mins
Tori actually doesn't love this particular episode of the tv show...find out why. What do you think?
Then, Tori and Jennie have received some criticism from you...and they are talking about it. Can they take a little construction criticism...find out!
Tori and Jennie also address recent comments Vanessa Marcil made in the news.
Plus, Tori and Jennie reveal what they think Donna and Kelly are up to today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello, everybody,
welcome to another episode of nine. O two one O
m G. I'm here with my friend Tory and sistening.
How how are you? You don't look like you feel
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so good today? Oh yeah, I'm still having some sinus trouble.
So sorry if I sound nasally. Do I sound sexy though?
You sound like you don't feel great? Yeah, damn it, sexy,
I'm in sexy. Sexy. Um So, so let's jump right
into this recap because that's what everyone wants. We've we've
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gotten a lot of flak. People don't like it when
we talk, So let's talk about the show. That's all
we're look I can't talk, We can't have a funch, Sorry,
we can't have fun. This isn't our time as well,
We'll do it this way and see if you really
like it this way, because you know what, I thought,
maybe it would be nice to have a little it
chet before the episode, but apparently we'll save it for later.
Maybe right, and so, Episode seventeen, stand Up and Deliver It,
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aired on March seventh, directed by Brinkerhoff, written by Darren
Starr and Amy Spies, synopsis. Brenda, tired of being treated
like a teen, moves out on her own into a
shabby apartment owned by a hippie stand up comedian. Meanwhile,
Brandon runs for junior class president against the fellow candidate
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and has to deal with Kelly and Andrea vuying to
manage his campaign. What we do? Wow, I love of
two women. Okay, what do you think about this episode? Well,
go ahead, tour tell him how you fek about. So
here's how I feel about this episode. You guys watching
just as a fan, I'm going to tell you I
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wanted to uh literally rip each and every one of
my eyelashes out and stab my eyeballs with them. Really,
not a not a fan, not a fan. So you're
saying you didn't like this episode. I'm saying I did
not like this episode. I'm sorry. I love watching The Gang,
but it just was born it was boring to me.
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Maybe yeah, a little too much class president stuff for me.
Oh so that's stuff I didn't that. I didn't mind that.
It was the coffeehouse that was the boring part for me. Yeah.
It just was really weirdly divided and it felt like
a different show this week. It felt off point right. Yeah,
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well the stuff at school honestly didn't bother me either,
since like the president, Brandon running for president and I
don't know, I did not like Kelly in this episode
at all. I felt like, who is this character that
I'm playing? Who are the words are saying? She was
just like conniving and manipulative, and yeah, she was the
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first lady she was she was she should be the president.
I guess she should have run for president herself. I
liked it though. We got a first taste of what
you and Brandon would be like as a team. I
like that as an alady, Like, yeah, this was the
first episode that Brenda, No, Kelly and Brandon worked together
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more closely. Brenda was off on her own. I don't
even know what the heck where did she go? What? What?
What got into her? She got like a bee in
her bonnet or something. Isn't that the expert to be
in her? But I don't know. She just didn't want
to be a part of the group anymore. She didn't
want to live at home anymore. She didn't want to
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do anything but hang out with the coffeehouse people. Oh man,
but Kelly and Donna did did your this is true, Brandon. Yeah,
well that happened to but I forgot about that, right.
So they were supposed to go out to the club,
and but they did. They went with her to the
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comedy club the first time, and Kelly was a bitch
or rooney. She was like, it's not funny and the
coffee is toxic. She was so rude. I hated her.
I hated myself. Yeah, Brenda, Brenda, she found a new family.
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Think like stand up comedy, why why that? And on
a couch and no offense, no offense to the writers whatsoever.
We're just you know, talking here as viewers and fans
of the show. Um. But I didn't think any of
the comedy was funny either. Like I didn't have a
chuckle at all. Wasn't that the whole point of going
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to a comedy club is to have a laugh, And
I didn't have any. Yes, maybe it was funny back then.
Maybe that was like the thing like to be cool
and artsy. And I think coffee house and deliver comedy
that's not really comedy, but like it's more like yeah, yeah,
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the guy that the well First of all, the Sky
was the first comedian that you kind of get to
see she's laying on the couch, which was kind of
weird that, you know, I've never seen a comedian lay
on the couch and do a set. But okay, um,
but she was great. I felt like, you know, that
was Carrie Hamilton's played that role. And you guys know
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who Carrie Hamilton's was. She was the daughter of Carol
Burnett m hm, who's just like a comedy you know icon.
And I thought she was great. I thought she did
a really good job and she just didn't have enough
to do. Yeah. I felt like she remember watching that
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when we filmed it, me too and being kind of like,
oh my gosh, she's so lover and she looks a
lot like her mom, and it just what there was
like a whole vibe about her that was really cool.
Was that a set or was that actually a club?
You guys want to I feel like, do you feel
like that was the peach Pit after Dark? Before the
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peach Pit after Dark existed? I totally feel you're right,
yes it was. I feel like that was like the
warehouse sext door to the jail sales where we lived.
And the at first they made it be uh, this weird.
They had They probably used it for a bunch of
different sets, but just felt like that same space layout
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kind of as the peach after Dark there you go
unt like that recap fans, there's a little easter egg, huh.
And maybe the coffeehouse comedy situation was intended to be
our new hangout or something. Maybe it was gonna be
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more so because they went to great you know, trouble
and expense to build that set out. But it was
pretty you know, there was a lot there and then
it didn't work, so they moved on to something else. Well,
it could have been our central perk. Who knew? It
could have been our peach pit after dark. Good thing
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it wasn't, but then it was. But I did feel
bad a little bit for Brenda, like she just felt
sort of ostracized and not really in the groove with everybody,
and to have her friends flat lever like that for
her brother was kind of like a minute Brandon was
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going to be running for class president. It instantly made
him hotter in a weird way, especially Kelly to me
and yeah, but it's just like like in one scene,
I think Donna's like kissing him in the kitchen and
You're like rubbing up on him. Tory. Yeah, you walk
right up to branded and plant your lips. They're big,
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juicy lips right on his cheek, and then like kind
of like in slow mode too. Yeah. Wow. I mean
his little suit jackets looked good in this episode. The
whole thing going on, he did. He looked good. He
came out hot though. He came out of the gate
hot with with Andrea at school, even discussing running for president.
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And he was like, you know this, poor Andre. He's
up and down with her, back and forth, like I'm
into you, I'm flirting with you know, we're just friends.
Like every episode, I feel like they have a different
thing going, and this one he was really flirty with
her in the very beginning. But then she was not
happy that Kelly was going to be part of the campaign.
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That that burst her bubble just a dad a little
bit little l Yeah, and you came with your clipper clipboard,
and I was I was prepared. I had my lookboard,
my vision board prepared. I don't know what was written
on that clipboard when I was carrying around, but it
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must have been really good stuff. He just probably had
a bunch of like curly cues and hearts and yeah,
rainbows and unicorns probably, but Kelly's. Kelly's whole vision was
for Brandon to just be hot and look hot and
then people would vote for him. I mean it kind
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of makes sense. It was the nineties, like not a
bad tactile move. Then Andre is like, Crill, what do
you know about politics? What do you even know? I
was thinking, she don't know nothing. She knows about fashion politics,
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pulling up old people that were running for politics, and
like she knew how to create the image the man.
She's the word behind the man. That there's always the
woman behind the man, right that That's what they say,
at least behind every good man is a great woman.
But I think we could flip that and say behind
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every good woman is a another great woman, or maybe
another great woman, but it could be a great man.
You know, did you guys see how do you feel
about Brandon's video campaign? Like his I guess David cut
that together sexy. I just it was just odd how
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what we saw the video content was actually clips from
the beginning of the show. So I was just curious
how David Silver get his hands in Aaron Spelling's vault
of video footage how do you have access to that
stuff to make that David Silver, he can get in
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touch with anyone. Happened Debbie Gibson. But it was a
little weird his video that it was like the opening
credits of the show. Well, I had to work with
what we had. Brenda seemed like, you know, I don't know.
I don't want to say gullible. I guess that's not
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the right word. Maybe the word is um impressionable. She's
very impressionable, and and that's okay. Like she's young, she's
trying to figure herself out, and she's trying to decide
what fits for her, and I guess this was just
another thing she was sort of checking out to see
if this made her feel complete somehow. I like these
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she tries people. Yeah, I mean right, yeah, this is
the time in your life, formative years. Figure it out.
And even that first day at the club, when the
comedian was picking on Kelly, she stepped in and stuck
up for her right away. I thought that was pretty
badass for being like sixteen. I would never do that.
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Her hair looked really pretty too. I was gonna say
that about your hair. I was actually gonna ask you,
that's your real hair. If there was extensions in this episode,
it looked so full. No, that was my hair. We
didn't we didn't wear extensions back then. That wasn't the thing. No,
it wasn't. Never, nobody ever had had extensions. I don't know,
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would you ever do stand up? Oh wait, wait, sorry,
we can't talk about ourselves. We have to just talk
about Okay, come on, you totally can. Let's just address that. Okay.
So a lot of yours are saying how they feel
about the show, which is what we asked for. We
asked for you guys to listen and to comment and
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to give us your you know, opinion and your advice.
And we love that and we're so grateful. And I
read it and and I do take the constructive criticism,
and we do try to make adjustments to things that work,
you know. But there was a whole argument, I guess,
I'm not sure where it ended up on what platform,
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But some people are saying how they love when we
chit chat and banter and like go off topic, and
some people really don't like it. M h m hmm.
I think it was more specific to when we start
the podcast. Some were arguing that they would like it
if we just jumped into the episode right away versus
having our chit chat at the top of the show.
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I mean, my thing about that is this is our
lives too. Like we're seeing each other for we're on Zoom.
We're not together, and fortunately we're all friends. So when
we see each other, we want to say hi and
like see how everyone's week is. Like it's kind of
that I don't know. And also like our listeners, they
feel like our friends, Like you know, I feel like
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we can talk about anything with with our listeners, the
people that love us, and you know, I want to
hang out with us for an hour, like I feel,
I feel like we're talking to girlfriends. I just want
to give you a little appetizer before the entree, exactly
right right into the entree. It's not done. So today
we did and unnatural, Yeah it did. It felt weird.
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I wanted to say hi to you guys, and I couldn't.
I was like, okay, here we go on task. This
is how I look at it. There are thousands of
people that listen to this podcast, okay, and it's growing
every single week, and there's just a very very small
handful that decided to write a comment on Instagram of
those thousands of people that are probably just enjoying it
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as is, So I would say take it with a
grain of salt, but always open. I agree with you.
I just I'm just messing with you, guys, like it
doesn't really bother me, and I don't because you know what,
everybody has an opinion. Obviously everybody can voice their opinion.
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So you know how scared I was to do this
podcast with you guys, because yeah, because I was just
like I felt all this pressure of like being a
fan of the show and trying to like ask the
right questions and then of course, like first two or
three episodes and people are attacking me like you're not
a real super fan, Like like whoa, Okay, I'm there.
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There are so many different levels of fans out there,
and you're right, maybe I'm not as much of a
super fan that you are, but I'm a fan and
we it's also been many years and I forget things.
Yeah right, well we do. We have some super loyal,
very impic fans. You can see it in their eyes,
just a super fan. Yeah, I love them. And they
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they're so helpful informative because they know way more than
we do. Yeah, and they never want to be in
that category. Don't put me in that category. You guys
are on a whole other level. You are blue Ribbons.
I'm just SUPERSI supersis that likes the show, fan of
the show, super sis. I love that. But well, whatever,
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if you like it, listen if you don't, you know,
there's another bit of drama if you guys want to
address it. Wait, where are we not talking about the
show anymore? Is that? Just? Thank god we can it's
the campaign, it's the coffee house. I'm I'm over it.
Let's go to spoiler spoiler alert. Brandon doesn't end up
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winning president. That's the right thing. He's a good We
could come back to the episode after any but I
did want to bring up something that was, um, I
guess in the news about Vanessa Marceill. I just saw
that article. Okay, I only saw the article because you
guys sent it to me, because how would I have
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ever seen it. I don't know where was it published,
what where did it? Was it an interview or was
it an Instagram live? I'm very confused. It was a
video interview published to Instagram on February a video interview
by who published to Instagram. But she even she posted
it that I don't know. Interesting, Um, so she's saying
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she's so she's opening up about the show and why
she had to leave, saying I was I didn't know
she had to leave, Like I didn't know she left
the show. No, she's not on it anymore. The show
is not on it. I'm aware that she stopped being
on the show. I was not aware that she left
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the show. What are you trying to say? Misspelling? I
just don't remember that character going on. I think it was,
but you know what, maybe I remember wrong. Rarely, I'm
not even sure what season it was. That it's all
a blur, all the all the season's blend together. So
we haven't gotten to those episodes yet. The character we're
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talking about is Gina. She played my my cousin, Donna's cousin. Okay, see,
I don't know because I haven't watched it. So well,
apparently you gave her some really great advice. This is
what's crazy is that she really vividly recalls something I
said to her, which is interesting because what you she
claims you say said, what she claims that you said,
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I can't picture you ever saying that that doesn't sound
like something you would even say. That seems like me now,
something I would say now because it's a very evolved well,
I can't imagine young Jenny, you know, off that being
so presumptive or bold to say like, I know what's
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what you should do? Do you want to do? You
want to say? What it? What she said? You said,
I gotta find it. I gotta find it while you're
finding it. I'm I'm gonna go on record. I hung
out with Vanessa a lot. She was she was always
great to me, always very nice, very professional. I don't
remember her having a bad time or a hard go
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at it or even presenting problems like. She was very
well liked. She's the type of girl that has no
problem fitting in anywhere she's she's very confidentality. But this,
this article or whatever video whatever it was, made, it
seemed like she really had a bad experience on the
show and that everyone was super catty, and that she
said that the cattiness side swiped her, which I didn't
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really know what that meant, Like who was being catty?
I wasn't clear on That doesn't really matter, but just
like maybe it was just the energy or the there
was a lot of female cast members. I don't know. Well,
at that point there were only three other female cast
members left. It was you, me and Lindsay. Hmm, okay,
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well that downtown. Well maybe the boys were Caddie. You
don't know. And was she wait? Was she in her? Okay?
Was was Vanessa at that time in a relationship with
Brian Green? Or was was that before after her relationship
with Brian happened right after after she was on the show. Yes,
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they met on the show, and remember he liked her,
but she didn't like him back. And then after the
show ended they started going out. Well that's nice. I'm
glad that there was a love match there and they
made She's a Beautiful Baby together. She's saying that Jenny
Garth took her aside on set one day to make
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a suggestion. She said, maybe it would help if you
didn't walk around like somebody who isn't liked me. Here's
the thing that I could say that two ways. Here's
here's one way. Okay, maybe I was gonna act it
out for you. Here's what Maybe it would help if
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you didn't walk around like somebody isn't liked. Okay, young
Jenny maybe said it that way, or maybe young Jenny
was wise beyond her years and said, maybe it would
help if you didn't walk around like somebody isn't liked
you know what. Neither of those sound good, and neither
of those sound like you. Now, I'm gonna go on
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record that you didn't say that, because I know you
weren't there. I was there apparently, but I don't know
the whole thing. Here's the thing, no matter how she
phrases it, it has a negative connotation to it. Someone
who's not like. It sounds like you're saying someone who's
not liked like. It's already negative from start to finish.
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Anyway you say that, and I I just don't that
was never First of all, you and Vanessa weren't that close, Like,
we didn't really work together that much. Did my cousin.
I worked a lot with her. I don't remember you
guys having that many interactions. So I don't believe that
you would take it upon yourself to be like, here's
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why you're acting like someone who's not like. So that's
why you're going to be not liked, like, I don't
know whatever, However, it was meant, and however it was taken.
It is good advice. It is sound advice if you
think about it, because we do walk around sometimes thinking
everything is about us, and we do walk around taking
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everything everyone says personally. And that for me as a
grown woman, has been a huge thing to learn and
a huge thing to start practicing, because especially in our
business and and in our what we do and what
we've done since we were so young, it's always about
are we good enough? Do people like us? Am I
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what they want right in this moment? And and there's
always been this energy of a creative I mean not
a creative, but a competitive environment amongst especially women, and
that has shifted now in a beautiful way. Um and
now you know, the messaging is much different and women
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are allowed, somehow in a different way to support each
other and be each other's cheerleaders. And I just feel
like that's why I said it sounds like something I
would say now rather than as a young person, because I,
I mean, it's a good message. I don't know. I
just wish we could have an opportunity to go back
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and talk to I mean, let's get in our time.
I said something now, Vanessa Marcela is saying something. I
would love the opportunity to go back and be like,
how did you it, Here's how we saw it, and
then talk it out, because the truth is somewhere in
the middle, like we were all young finding our ways.
Who knows what truly transpired or what each of us
were feeling. From my perception, Vanessa was a kick ass girl,
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like she came in, competent, beautiful, good actress, professional, always
showed up. Um. I don't remember her having a bad time,
but I don't know what was going on inside. Maybe
she didn't divulge that. Yeah, And like I mean, I
think to her point from what I sort of gleamed
from the article, she was saying that she was in
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a bad place in her personal life, in her development,
Like she was in that place where she took everything
too personally and she was too affected by all the
things around her, not just this situation, but many many things.
Like you know, on any given day, our brains are
like and our minds just go in a million different directions.
And if we let our minds sort of like rule
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the roost and and and lead us down, every path
that wants to lead is down. It's exhausting and it's
it's an emotional roller coaster. So I think that she
was kind of talking about how now she's learned that
not everything needs to be taken personally. I mean, it's
one of the four agreements. If you guys have read
that book, which is a right book, you should read it.
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I need to reread it. Yeah, it's like one of
the four agreements. Don't take anything personally because it's not
about you. I have a I have a friend, and
um a doctor, a friend of mine, doctor Amon, who
he has this theory and I'm gonna get the numbers wrong,
but it's like eighteen forty sixty or something like that.
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When you're eighteen, you think about you, think everything is
about you. You think everybody's talking about you. When you're forty,
you don't care if anybody's talking about you, and when
you're sixty you realize nobody was ever talking about you.
It's really really good. It's good, right, it is on
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that note, let's take a break and come back, And
it looked like Tor was about to say something, so
hold that, thought, Tor, we'll come back and retrial the episode.
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Hey guys, we're back. So I'm still feeling a wettle
fired up about this Vanessa situation because we were friends.
I felt like I felt like we all got along well.
So I think we should have her on the show
and kind of talk her through her experience. I want
to hear honestly what her experience was like me too, Yeah,
I would love that opportunity to to see what what
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she meant by her comment. And you know, I remember
Vanessa was always very spiritual and very enlightened, very cool
like girl. So I wanted to love growth. Let's all
let's all grow if the Yeah, let's if let's all
grow through something. I don't know, it would be fun.
Let's do it. Praise Vanessa, come on the show. Any who?
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Should we talk more about the episode? Yeah, I love
it that you hated this. A few more eyelashes out
and stabbed my eyeballs, Okay, go on. I know it
wasn't my favorite episode either. You know what takeaway that
I got from this episode was the way that Brenda
and Kelly fight or are you? It was like a
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very it was almost a very like classy way of
just like bickering at each other throughout the episode until
you finally have your blowout. Your you blow up at
the very end. I know, when did they start fighting?
When did that happens? Like you almost don't notice it,
but it was just like yeah, then all of a sudden,
like you guys were at the lockers and like it
was going going back and forth, and then Kelly made
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a comment about her costume that she was weary friend
to take off that costume. Yeah, I mean see, I
said Kelly is a bitch. In this episode, Kelly had
her moments of bitchiness, but yeah, throughout the season. I
mean that's what you hired me to do. I was
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just doing my job. I don't know why you're surprised
when you see yourself up in a bitchy episode. It's
like that was kind of your character. I know, I know,
I know my fittest people. Um hold on, But you're right.
I did notice like Brendan Kelly were a little caddy
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to each other and like right, like I didn't know why. Oh, now,
all of a sudden, she needed an antagonist, and I
guess that they decided it would be Kelly in this
episode with the bill write it in, Well, I think
that's also because you did she just keep saying you
like I get it. It was a character. It's very confusing,
I know, but I think it's because I'm sorry because
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Kelly digits are for her brother, her twin brother, Brandon,
and I feel like there's some hurt there. Then let's
talk about that. Yeah, but they're not gonna talk about it.
How about when Brenda just moves out mom and there's
no there's no discussion with mom and dad. Just all
of a sudden, Brandon's using her room as his campaign
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headquarters and mom and dad are and they're making buttons
or whatever they're doing. I actually rewound it because I
thought I missed something. I was like, why was that allowed? Yeah,
in what world do you just let your sixteen year
old daughter kind of move out? But then they explain
it was just supposed to be for three days. It
was like a trial thing. But even still, that's weird.
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I don't know. Jim and Cindy, I questioned that that
it's a very convenient Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And then she
goes to watch Sky's apartment and feed her fish, and
then we never see Sky again, but we see Jack
again the comedy, the super super funny not guy comedian,
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And then I thought, oh, No, is there going to
be like a love thing with him because he's an
older man? And then and then up randomly. Maybe he's
gonna keep being the Maybe there's gonna be a love thing.
I don't know. They're gonna make spaghetti out of a can.
It would be with no and not even warm it up.
You know, I have politics and stand up comedy. Oh
(30:33):
my gosh, you guys getting into the next episode. I
can't what a combo? Right? You know the icon for
Amazon Prime when I watched it was YouTube in your
matching campaign outfits. That was the icon for this episode. What, Yeah,
that's funny. The thumbnail whatever you call it, I call
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it a thumbnail, Like is that just when it's like
the little picture. It's a weird word expression. I don't know.
I wasn't even into the fashion. This episode was weird,
Like it's just like everything just like I don't know
what was happening. I liked Brenda's costume. I like that
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she was wearing. Maybe not the hat, but I love
the dress. Yeah, Donna and Kelly were sporting the blazers
a lot. They were trying to look real professional, not
even like colorful. You had a long red coat, but
I don't know. You had a daisy on your butt
of your shorts. I noticed, Yeah, with that white crop top.
(31:41):
That was fun. Yeah, it was just h It's a
real bumber. You guys weren't able to keep the clothes
from every episode. It makes no sense to me. Where
did you go? They auctioned it off. There was a
big auction. I think after the show they the wardrobe off.
(32:02):
I feel like, yes, oh, I wish I would have
gone to the auction. I know I would have put
one of my own pieces, and now I have nothing. Great. Thanks,
that's so crazy. You would think you you would have
first DIBs. I know, were why when we can at
least you know a flyer about the auction flyer. I'm
(32:25):
telling you Iron has pieces, like he kept certain words.
He has pieces because remember when we when we did
B eight nine or two and O, like afterwards they
were like selling off like you could buy like a
discounted a discount of price from the wardrobe, and it
was like, guys, be smart about this. We need to
(32:45):
buy these pieces because you want to have this in
your arsenal for yours. I don't have I don't have
an arsenal we'd love to meet him too, and I
maybe have him on this show hasn't worked out. I
feel like everyone, you guys bring him up the most
iron because you love him. I know where the hell
(33:07):
is iron searing. He's like the big brother you always wanted.
Pretty much, we all love him, love him, he's loved.
Why do you say that? Why do we say we
love him? Why do you say he's like the big
brother you always wanted because you could go to him
for advice or he made you laugh or he always
made us laugh first of all, Like, yeah, he's foremost hysterical,
(33:32):
but he's also just a good guy. And like he's
he's accessible, he's available, Like when you talk to him,
you feel like he's listening. And yeah, you know you
feel as you feel like you're connected with him. When
you're with him, it's nice, kind and loving, nurturing. Yeah,
and such a great dad. Now, Like, oh my god,
(33:53):
when I see the pictures of his little girls in
their cute little family, like his girl time with his kid,
it's like it makes me so happy because I know
those girls are laughing their asses off all the time,
Like I know that they love their dad. They're like
dad is so much fun. And that makes me really
(34:13):
happy for not just those kids, but for him because
I know it makes him happy to make them happy.
So yeah, come on the show. Jeez, another invitation? Is
that not a good invitation? Send him that clip and
(34:33):
this is how much we talk about you on the
podcast all the time. Please come on. Maybe if we
stopped talking about him, then he would get mad and
then he would come Onlogy, I like that. I like that.
Oh boy, oh boy, we had um. Yeah, it wasn't
(34:55):
a good fashion episode, but there was some good one
liners m sprinkled throughout, some really great lines. What was
your your feve? I really liked Have you ever felt
like a phone call that's been disconnected? Brenda wash all
(35:17):
the time? Would you guys like my line? Uh? My
line was from um Andrea Zuckerman. She said it's perfect.
No one knows you well enough to hate you, and
I thought, Wow, she's right. That's a good place to sit.
(35:38):
No one knows you well enough to hate you. We're
screwed because people know us too well. They get to
love us or hate us. What about you? Sis? Um,
I have to So this one's from Brenda and it
was to your parents, says you raised me so well,
I'm ahead of myself. That's confusing, I know, but it's
(36:02):
such a teenage thing to say to your parents. Yeah.
And then this one is funny. Um it's from Kelly
and she says the photo places closed soon when you
were taking pictures of Brandon for the campaign. She mentions
that she has to take it to the photo place
(36:23):
to have the pictures developed. And it was just more
like remember those whipper snappers out there probably don't remember
when you had to actually rewind your camera, the film,
actual film in your camera and take it, put it
in a little envelope, remember, and fill out the form.
Now we get the best though, because sometimes like it
(36:45):
wasn't instant gratification, you had to wait a week and
like if you had gone to a party or been
doing something you would get the phos photos back. Did
you ever get photos back? You're like, WHOA, I didn't
remember that happening. Ye show your Night on Old You're like,
oh my gosh. And then one hour photo came out
and the world changed for an instant. In an instant,
(37:08):
we could get our pictures in one hour. I guess
you didn't really take as many like lame photos. Then
you you were more specific about what you were taking
pictures of. You didn't take a picture of your salad
Y had for lunch, or like right now, or the
same photo fifty of the same photo exactly. Oh my gosh.
(37:30):
I try to do that sometimes, to go back to
that mentality of just taking like the one photo, and
it's it's impossible, because why yeah, And sometimes if I
have like extra time on my hands, I'll go through
my camera roll and take all the bad ones and
delete them and just try to narrow it down to
the like winner. It's endless though, it's impossible. Um. We
(37:52):
have a few emails from some listeners. Um, I think
we should take a break, okay and come back with
those Let's do it all right, ladies. A couple of questions. Um.
(38:17):
This one is from Pomona Underscore Mama. She says, I
recently came across the pod loving it. We have a
fan that's happy. Guys. I watched Nino two religiously for
the first few years and then off and on towards
the end, after the college years. Where would each character
(38:38):
be ine? Oh wow, that's a good question. You have
to really like give that some thought though, Yeah, take
your time, heavy one, Okay, I'll just I'll go first
with let's pick a character. I'm gonna go easy, and
I'm gonna say Steve Sanders is now all grows up
(39:04):
and he owns uh a like a customizing shop for
um fancy corvettes. He owns like he owns like a
chain of like Sanders sand I don't know, Sanders Automotives
or something like where he would be so mad at
(39:26):
you wait, I can step in here on that one.
So years ago, Ian and I were at a fan
convention and they asked him that, and he said that
I'm not going to quote it verbat him that Steve
Sanders owned was a very huge, like big international, like
entrepreneur speaker. He owned his own island, kind of like
(39:50):
um Jo Brand Sampson Richard Brampson. That's where Iron said
Steve was, and that he was single. That sounds fun,
Yeah right, good for have much better than an automotive dealer.
I'm surprised. I thought, when you said you're gonna go
with easy, we're gonna go with your own character. Yeah,
I know that's hard. That one's harder for me to
(40:11):
pin her down. I mean another easy one would be Andrea.
I think Andrea has gone on to become the first
female president of sag Aftra and she plans to run
for president of the United States. In's I like that one.
It's actually real life. Only she would run for president.
(40:34):
Would be so amazing. I could see it happening. Will
Smith just announced he wants to run for office. It's
like jump on the free for all. Yeah, it's a
free for all. M hmm. What about Donna? I feel
you know me, I'm gonna be sappy and be like
David and Donna are still married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
(40:54):
like that storyline in Love and a Ton of Kids.
I do hope that Donna is still like isn't a
fashion though, because that was really important to her. So
I hope she has a fashion line or does something
styling or something that would make her happy in the
fashion world. I feel like Donna still keeps it very
interesting in the bedroom for David as well what I
(41:17):
think she does and all the marriage she works at it. Yeah,
America's most famous virgin is now into B D s M.
Probably not that extreme, but yeah, I kind of want
Kelly and Donna to have gone off to New York
City and be living together still like sex in the city,
(41:41):
like parallel universe. Damn it, we should have done that. Yeah,
I like that idea. Kelly and Donna take Manhattan? Is
it still? Is it too late? No? I'm pretty sure
Manhattan's already been taken. M hmm. Okay, who else is there? Brekendon?
Where's Brandon Walsh? Oh my gosh, this is hard, This
(42:03):
is too hard. Brandon Brandon? Well, maybe he moved back
to Minnesota and he runs a cattle farm. I don't know. Maybe,
I don't know. He's a farmer now, who knows. He
wanted to be a politician. He wanted to be in politics.
(42:25):
Right later in the series, I think he ends up
branding for president too against Andrea. I could see Brandon
after all coming back to his like stomping ground and
being a school teacher. Oh really, he'd be a favorite
(42:46):
school teacher. Kids would like him. And where's Brenda? Where's Brenda? Now?
She's still in London. Yeah, she's in Europe somewhere where
she's married and has kids and runs like a theater. Cool.
I like it. Yeah, good one, because everyone well, yeah,
(43:11):
that's everyone. Well, David we didn't go. He's just still
married to Donna. What is he doing still? Is he's
producing some some beats? What's he doing? Yeah, that's not
too far off. Yeah, he's producing for like jay Z
and uh Brianna. Now go oh they all came out
(43:33):
on top. I love it. Look at that. He still
didn't do Kelly. Yeah, Kelly definitely moved to New York
and um, she's it's in some high powered position as
a running a women's equality empire or something. I don't know,
something about women's rights or women being strong. I think
that she would really be a voice for women. I
(43:56):
like that me too. Al Right, next question, and Jordan's
is asking. Through ten seasons of the show, we saw
a lot of cast come and go, including main characters,
but Jenny and Torrey stayed the whole time. Was there
ever a time during the show where you wanted to
call it quits or at least take a break for
(44:18):
a season or two? On my part, no, because I
remember people saying you would hear about Remember Luke was
all up in arms that time. That was who was
it the quit the guy on n Why Pete Blue? No,
the redhead the guy? Remember David Cruso. Luke was so
(44:39):
up in arms. He's like, this guy has a great career,
he's doing this and then he just quit and he's
like he doesn't know how lucky he is. Remember that,
and he reached out to him. He did. He did
did chastise him for making his own choices. I think so,
or maybe he was happy you made I don't know,
(45:01):
but I remember it. The message got across from to
me that was like when you have a gift handed
to you, you don't on it. Basically like we had
a gift and it was a great show and it
made us want to stay. I mean, there wasn't a time,
you know, ten years is a long time. I don't
think there was ever a time where I hate it
(45:22):
going to work like I loved. There were you know,
there's often on days with everyone in every field you're in,
but there was never a day where I was like, oh,
I don't want to do this anymore. Like I really
loved being with my family every day. Yeah, I can
second that. Actually I I loved that job and I
(45:42):
knew I don't think I ever felt like I ever
took it for granted because I knew that I was
really lucky to be there, and I knew that I
was being given an opportunity that a lot of people
hadn't been given, and I didn't take that for granted.
And also like we got to grow up there in
(46:03):
a kind of a bubble, which was really cool and
in some ways. And then you know, I got to
have a baby on that show and be pregnant and
have a child and bring my child to work every day.
So I was never like chomping to leave. No, was
(46:25):
there ever a time, like maybe season six or seven
that like, were the ratings ever bad or were they
always solid and always good and you guys felt secure
in that sense? I think they were always good. I
don't I think, you know, with any show, there is
a decline as it goes on. It's just the inevitable
(46:46):
evolution of it. But um, I don't think the ratings
were ever bad. I know we all talked periodically about
we wanted to end before quote unquote jumps the Shark.
Will have a different perception when each show jumps shark.
Mm hmm. It's just saying like, when it's like, but
what was that was that season ten then? Or do
(47:08):
you think it could have gone on to maybe up
to fifteen seasons. I think we wanted it to end
before it jumped the shark, and we felt like it
was appropriate. But looking back now, that was a damn
good job. We should have stayed for fifteen seasons. I'm
just saying, I know, Yeah, I feel like it was
a decision that I don't know who made the decision exactly,
(47:28):
but it was a little hasty. Yeah. So you guys
went into season ten knowing that was last season or
you were told within that season, right, I don't remember.
I don't remember, Yeah, but I know we were. It
was like devastating, even though we knew about it and
(47:50):
we were prepared for it and we were working towards
it to like have this completion the tenth episode, but
the season I feel like it was still really hard
for us to all wrap our heads around. Mhm. Imagine
And what about like the next day when you just
didn't have to come to work. It was weird. It
was fun because it felt like summer break for a moment,
(48:11):
and then all of a sudden it just wasn't. And
then it was like a whole chapter of your life
which is done. That was the most startling part, Like
when it was all over, Like after you sat in
that for like a month, you're like whoa. But the
the lucky part for us is like now I realize
it more than ever, Like now we can we can
go back and watch a decade of our lives on
(48:35):
camera and fill in all the blanks and fill in
all the spaces and remember so much of it and
see it all so vividly because of the show, And
it's like forever, you know, in history. I like that.
Not many people can say they have that, and we do.
And luckily with this podcast, we're just in the first season,
(48:57):
so there's so much we need to do it all
over again. And uh huh um. The next episode is
episode eighteen and it's called It's only a Test. There's
no politics in it, right, I don't know if there
might be a test. She's not gonna like that either. Alright, guys,
(49:21):
have a great week. We love you, I love you.
Wh
It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello, everybody,
welcome to another episode of nine. O two one O
m G. I'm here with my friend Tory and sistening.
How how are you? You don't look like you feel
(00:21):
so good today? Oh yeah, I'm still having some sinus trouble.
So sorry if I sound nasally. Do I sound sexy though?
You sound like you don't feel great? Yeah, damn it, sexy,
I'm in sexy. Sexy. Um So, so let's jump right
into this recap because that's what everyone wants. We've we've
(00:44):
gotten a lot of flak. People don't like it when
we talk, So let's talk about the show. That's all
we're look I can't talk, We can't have a funch, Sorry,
we can't have fun. This isn't our time as well,
We'll do it this way and see if you really
like it this way, because you know what, I thought,
maybe it would be nice to have a little it
chet before the episode, but apparently we'll save it for later.
Maybe right, and so, Episode seventeen, stand Up and Deliver It,
(01:09):
aired on March seventh, directed by Brinkerhoff, written by Darren
Starr and Amy Spies, synopsis. Brenda, tired of being treated
like a teen, moves out on her own into a
shabby apartment owned by a hippie stand up comedian. Meanwhile,
Brandon runs for junior class president against the fellow candidate
(01:30):
and has to deal with Kelly and Andrea vuying to
manage his campaign. What we do? Wow, I love of
two women. Okay, what do you think about this episode? Well,
go ahead, tour tell him how you fek about. So
here's how I feel about this episode. You guys watching
just as a fan, I'm going to tell you I
(01:51):
wanted to uh literally rip each and every one of
my eyelashes out and stab my eyeballs with them. Really,
not a not a fan, not a fan. So you're
saying you didn't like this episode. I'm saying I did
not like this episode. I'm sorry. I love watching The Gang,
but it just was born it was boring to me.
(02:14):
Maybe yeah, a little too much class president stuff for me.
Oh so that's stuff I didn't that. I didn't mind that.
It was the coffeehouse that was the boring part for me. Yeah.
It just was really weirdly divided and it felt like
a different show this week. It felt off point right. Yeah,
(02:35):
well the stuff at school honestly didn't bother me either,
since like the president, Brandon running for president and I
don't know, I did not like Kelly in this episode
at all. I felt like, who is this character that
I'm playing? Who are the words are saying? She was
just like conniving and manipulative, and yeah, she was the
(02:59):
first lady she was she was she should be the president.
I guess she should have run for president herself. I
liked it though. We got a first taste of what
you and Brandon would be like as a team. I
like that as an alady, Like, yeah, this was the
first episode that Brenda, No, Kelly and Brandon worked together
(03:20):
more closely. Brenda was off on her own. I don't
even know what the heck where did she go? What? What?
What got into her? She got like a bee in
her bonnet or something. Isn't that the expert to be
in her? But I don't know. She just didn't want
to be a part of the group anymore. She didn't
want to live at home anymore. She didn't want to
(03:43):
do anything but hang out with the coffeehouse people. Oh man,
but Kelly and Donna did did your this is true, Brandon. Yeah,
well that happened to but I forgot about that, right.
So they were supposed to go out to the club,
and but they did. They went with her to the
(04:06):
comedy club the first time, and Kelly was a bitch
or rooney. She was like, it's not funny and the
coffee is toxic. She was so rude. I hated her.
I hated myself. Yeah, Brenda, Brenda, she found a new family.
(04:28):
Think like stand up comedy, why why that? And on
a couch and no offense, no offense to the writers whatsoever.
We're just you know, talking here as viewers and fans
of the show. Um. But I didn't think any of
the comedy was funny either. Like I didn't have a
chuckle at all. Wasn't that the whole point of going
(04:50):
to a comedy club is to have a laugh, And
I didn't have any. Yes, maybe it was funny back then.
Maybe that was like the thing like to be cool
and artsy. And I think coffee house and deliver comedy
that's not really comedy, but like it's more like yeah, yeah,
(05:11):
the guy that the well First of all, the Sky
was the first comedian that you kind of get to
see she's laying on the couch, which was kind of
weird that, you know, I've never seen a comedian lay
on the couch and do a set. But okay, um,
but she was great. I felt like, you know, that
was Carrie Hamilton's played that role. And you guys know
(05:35):
who Carrie Hamilton's was. She was the daughter of Carol
Burnett m hm, who's just like a comedy you know icon.
And I thought she was great. I thought she did
a really good job and she just didn't have enough
to do. Yeah. I felt like she remember watching that
(05:56):
when we filmed it, me too and being kind of like,
oh my gosh, she's so lover and she looks a
lot like her mom, and it just what there was
like a whole vibe about her that was really cool.
Was that a set or was that actually a club?
You guys want to I feel like, do you feel
like that was the peach Pit after Dark? Before the
(06:17):
peach Pit after Dark existed? I totally feel you're right,
yes it was. I feel like that was like the
warehouse sext door to the jail sales where we lived.
And the at first they made it be uh, this weird.
They had They probably used it for a bunch of
different sets, but just felt like that same space layout
(06:41):
kind of as the peach after Dark there you go
unt like that recap fans, there's a little easter egg, huh.
And maybe the coffeehouse comedy situation was intended to be
our new hangout or something. Maybe it was gonna be
(07:02):
more so because they went to great you know, trouble
and expense to build that set out. But it was
pretty you know, there was a lot there and then
it didn't work, so they moved on to something else. Well,
it could have been our central perk. Who knew? It
could have been our peach pit after dark. Good thing
(07:22):
it wasn't, but then it was. But I did feel
bad a little bit for Brenda, like she just felt
sort of ostracized and not really in the groove with everybody,
and to have her friends flat lever like that for
her brother was kind of like a minute Brandon was
(07:44):
going to be running for class president. It instantly made
him hotter in a weird way, especially Kelly to me
and yeah, but it's just like like in one scene,
I think Donna's like kissing him in the kitchen and
You're like rubbing up on him. Tory. Yeah, you walk
right up to branded and plant your lips. They're big,
(08:07):
juicy lips right on his cheek, and then like kind
of like in slow mode too. Yeah. Wow. I mean
his little suit jackets looked good in this episode. The
whole thing going on, he did. He looked good. He
came out hot though. He came out of the gate
hot with with Andrea at school, even discussing running for president.
(08:30):
And he was like, you know this, poor Andre. He's
up and down with her, back and forth, like I'm
into you, I'm flirting with you know, we're just friends.
Like every episode, I feel like they have a different
thing going, and this one he was really flirty with
her in the very beginning. But then she was not
happy that Kelly was going to be part of the campaign.
(08:52):
That that burst her bubble just a dad a little
bit little l Yeah, and you came with your clipper clipboard,
and I was I was prepared. I had my lookboard,
my vision board prepared. I don't know what was written
on that clipboard when I was carrying around, but it
(09:14):
must have been really good stuff. He just probably had
a bunch of like curly cues and hearts and yeah,
rainbows and unicorns probably, but Kelly's. Kelly's whole vision was
for Brandon to just be hot and look hot and
then people would vote for him. I mean it kind
(09:35):
of makes sense. It was the nineties, like not a
bad tactile move. Then Andre is like, Crill, what do
you know about politics? What do you even know? I
was thinking, she don't know nothing. She knows about fashion politics,
(09:58):
pulling up old people that were running for politics, and
like she knew how to create the image the man.
She's the word behind the man. That there's always the
woman behind the man, right that That's what they say,
at least behind every good man is a great woman.
But I think we could flip that and say behind
(10:20):
every good woman is a another great woman, or maybe
another great woman, but it could be a great man.
You know, did you guys see how do you feel
about Brandon's video campaign? Like his I guess David cut
that together sexy. I just it was just odd how
(10:50):
what we saw the video content was actually clips from
the beginning of the show. So I was just curious
how David Silver get his hands in Aaron Spelling's vault
of video footage how do you have access to that
stuff to make that David Silver, he can get in
(11:11):
touch with anyone. Happened Debbie Gibson. But it was a
little weird his video that it was like the opening
credits of the show. Well, I had to work with
what we had. Brenda seemed like, you know, I don't know.
I don't want to say gullible. I guess that's not
(11:36):
the right word. Maybe the word is um impressionable. She's
very impressionable, and and that's okay. Like she's young, she's
trying to figure herself out, and she's trying to decide
what fits for her, and I guess this was just
another thing she was sort of checking out to see
if this made her feel complete somehow. I like these
(12:00):
she tries people. Yeah, I mean right, yeah, this is
the time in your life, formative years. Figure it out.
And even that first day at the club, when the
comedian was picking on Kelly, she stepped in and stuck
up for her right away. I thought that was pretty
badass for being like sixteen. I would never do that.
(12:25):
Her hair looked really pretty too. I was gonna say
that about your hair. I was actually gonna ask you,
that's your real hair. If there was extensions in this episode,
it looked so full. No, that was my hair. We
didn't we didn't wear extensions back then. That wasn't the thing. No,
it wasn't. Never, nobody ever had had extensions. I don't know,
(12:46):
would you ever do stand up? Oh wait, wait, sorry,
we can't talk about ourselves. We have to just talk
about Okay, come on, you totally can. Let's just address that. Okay.
So a lot of yours are saying how they feel
about the show, which is what we asked for. We
asked for you guys to listen and to comment and
(13:08):
to give us your you know, opinion and your advice.
And we love that and we're so grateful. And I
read it and and I do take the constructive criticism,
and we do try to make adjustments to things that work,
you know. But there was a whole argument, I guess,
I'm not sure where it ended up on what platform,
(13:28):
But some people are saying how they love when we
chit chat and banter and like go off topic, and
some people really don't like it. M h m hmm.
I think it was more specific to when we start
the podcast. Some were arguing that they would like it
if we just jumped into the episode right away versus
having our chit chat at the top of the show.
(13:52):
I mean, my thing about that is this is our
lives too. Like we're seeing each other for we're on Zoom.
We're not together, and fortunately we're all friends. So when
we see each other, we want to say hi and
like see how everyone's week is. Like it's kind of
that I don't know. And also like our listeners, they
feel like our friends, Like you know, I feel like
(14:14):
we can talk about anything with with our listeners, the
people that love us, and you know, I want to
hang out with us for an hour, like I feel,
I feel like we're talking to girlfriends. I just want
to give you a little appetizer before the entree, exactly
right right into the entree. It's not done. So today
we did and unnatural, Yeah it did. It felt weird.
(14:38):
I wanted to say hi to you guys, and I couldn't.
I was like, okay, here we go on task. This
is how I look at it. There are thousands of
people that listen to this podcast, okay, and it's growing
every single week, and there's just a very very small
handful that decided to write a comment on Instagram of
those thousands of people that are probably just enjoying it
(15:00):
as is, So I would say take it with a
grain of salt, but always open. I agree with you.
I just I'm just messing with you, guys, like it
doesn't really bother me, and I don't because you know what,
everybody has an opinion. Obviously everybody can voice their opinion.
(15:22):
So you know how scared I was to do this
podcast with you guys, because yeah, because I was just
like I felt all this pressure of like being a
fan of the show and trying to like ask the
right questions and then of course, like first two or
three episodes and people are attacking me like you're not
a real super fan, Like like whoa, Okay, I'm there.
(15:44):
There are so many different levels of fans out there,
and you're right, maybe I'm not as much of a
super fan that you are, but I'm a fan and
we it's also been many years and I forget things.
Yeah right, well we do. We have some super loyal,
very impic fans. You can see it in their eyes,
just a super fan. Yeah, I love them. And they
(16:07):
they're so helpful informative because they know way more than
we do. Yeah, and they never want to be in
that category. Don't put me in that category. You guys
are on a whole other level. You are blue Ribbons.
I'm just SUPERSI supersis that likes the show, fan of
the show, super sis. I love that. But well, whatever,
(16:31):
if you like it, listen if you don't, you know,
there's another bit of drama if you guys want to
address it. Wait, where are we not talking about the
show anymore? Is that? Just? Thank god we can it's
the campaign, it's the coffee house. I'm I'm over it.
Let's go to spoiler spoiler alert. Brandon doesn't end up
(16:51):
winning president. That's the right thing. He's a good We
could come back to the episode after any but I
did want to bring up something that was, um, I
guess in the news about Vanessa Marceill. I just saw
that article. Okay, I only saw the article because you
guys sent it to me, because how would I have
(17:14):
ever seen it. I don't know where was it published,
what where did it? Was it an interview or was
it an Instagram live? I'm very confused. It was a
video interview published to Instagram on February a video interview
by who published to Instagram. But she even she posted
it that I don't know. Interesting, Um, so she's saying
(17:40):
she's so she's opening up about the show and why
she had to leave, saying I was I didn't know
she had to leave, Like I didn't know she left
the show. No, she's not on it anymore. The show
is not on it. I'm aware that she stopped being
on the show. I was not aware that she left
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the show. What are you trying to say? Misspelling? I
just don't remember that character going on. I think it was,
but you know what, maybe I remember wrong. Rarely, I'm
not even sure what season it was. That it's all
a blur, all the all the season's blend together. So
we haven't gotten to those episodes yet. The character we're
(18:22):
talking about is Gina. She played my my cousin, Donna's cousin. Okay, see,
I don't know because I haven't watched it. So well,
apparently you gave her some really great advice. This is
what's crazy is that she really vividly recalls something I
said to her, which is interesting because what you she
claims you say said, what she claims that you said,
(18:44):
I can't picture you ever saying that that doesn't sound
like something you would even say. That seems like me now,
something I would say now because it's a very evolved well,
I can't imagine young Jenny, you know, off that being
so presumptive or bold to say like, I know what's
(19:06):
what you should do? Do you want to do? You
want to say? What it? What she said? You said,
I gotta find it. I gotta find it while you're
finding it. I'm I'm gonna go on record. I hung
out with Vanessa a lot. She was she was always
great to me, always very nice, very professional. I don't
remember her having a bad time or a hard go
(19:26):
at it or even presenting problems like. She was very
well liked. She's the type of girl that has no
problem fitting in anywhere she's she's very confidentality. But this,
this article or whatever video whatever it was, made, it
seemed like she really had a bad experience on the
show and that everyone was super catty, and that she
said that the cattiness side swiped her, which I didn't
(19:50):
really know what that meant, Like who was being catty?
I wasn't clear on That doesn't really matter, but just
like maybe it was just the energy or the there
was a lot of female cast members. I don't know. Well,
at that point there were only three other female cast
members left. It was you, me and Lindsay. Hmm, okay,
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well that downtown. Well maybe the boys were Caddie. You
don't know. And was she wait? Was she in her? Okay?
Was was Vanessa at that time in a relationship with
Brian Green? Or was was that before after her relationship
with Brian happened right after after she was on the show. Yes,
(20:33):
they met on the show, and remember he liked her,
but she didn't like him back. And then after the
show ended they started going out. Well that's nice. I'm
glad that there was a love match there and they
made She's a Beautiful Baby together. She's saying that Jenny
Garth took her aside on set one day to make
(20:53):
a suggestion. She said, maybe it would help if you
didn't walk around like somebody who isn't liked me. Here's
the thing that I could say that two ways. Here's
here's one way. Okay, maybe I was gonna act it
out for you. Here's what Maybe it would help if
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you didn't walk around like somebody isn't liked. Okay, young
Jenny maybe said it that way, or maybe young Jenny
was wise beyond her years and said, maybe it would
help if you didn't walk around like somebody isn't liked
you know what. Neither of those sound good, and neither
of those sound like you. Now, I'm gonna go on
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record that you didn't say that, because I know you
weren't there. I was there apparently, but I don't know
the whole thing. Here's the thing, no matter how she
phrases it, it has a negative connotation to it. Someone
who's not like. It sounds like you're saying someone who's
not liked like. It's already negative from start to finish.
(21:57):
Anyway you say that, and I I just don't that
was never First of all, you and Vanessa weren't that close, Like,
we didn't really work together that much. Did my cousin.
I worked a lot with her. I don't remember you
guys having that many interactions. So I don't believe that
you would take it upon yourself to be like, here's
(22:21):
why you're acting like someone who's not like. So that's
why you're going to be not liked, like, I don't
know whatever, However, it was meant, and however it was taken.
It is good advice. It is sound advice if you
think about it, because we do walk around sometimes thinking
everything is about us, and we do walk around taking
(22:43):
everything everyone says personally. And that for me as a
grown woman, has been a huge thing to learn and
a huge thing to start practicing, because especially in our
business and and in our what we do and what
we've done since we were so young, it's always about
are we good enough? Do people like us? Am I
(23:05):
what they want right in this moment? And and there's
always been this energy of a creative I mean not
a creative, but a competitive environment amongst especially women, and
that has shifted now in a beautiful way. Um and
now you know, the messaging is much different and women
(23:28):
are allowed, somehow in a different way to support each
other and be each other's cheerleaders. And I just feel
like that's why I said it sounds like something I
would say now rather than as a young person, because I,
I mean, it's a good message. I don't know. I
just wish we could have an opportunity to go back
(23:50):
and talk to I mean, let's get in our time.
I said something now, Vanessa Marcela is saying something. I
would love the opportunity to go back and be like,
how did you it, Here's how we saw it, and
then talk it out, because the truth is somewhere in
the middle, like we were all young finding our ways.
Who knows what truly transpired or what each of us
were feeling. From my perception, Vanessa was a kick ass girl,
(24:13):
like she came in, competent, beautiful, good actress, professional, always
showed up. Um. I don't remember her having a bad time,
but I don't know what was going on inside. Maybe
she didn't divulge that. Yeah, And like I mean, I
think to her point from what I sort of gleamed
from the article, she was saying that she was in
(24:34):
a bad place in her personal life, in her development,
Like she was in that place where she took everything
too personally and she was too affected by all the
things around her, not just this situation, but many many things.
Like you know, on any given day, our brains are
like and our minds just go in a million different directions.
And if we let our minds sort of like rule
(24:55):
the roost and and and lead us down, every path
that wants to lead is down. It's exhausting and it's
it's an emotional roller coaster. So I think that she
was kind of talking about how now she's learned that
not everything needs to be taken personally. I mean, it's
one of the four agreements. If you guys have read
that book, which is a right book, you should read it.
(25:17):
I need to reread it. Yeah, it's like one of
the four agreements. Don't take anything personally because it's not
about you. I have a I have a friend, and
um a doctor, a friend of mine, doctor Amon, who
he has this theory and I'm gonna get the numbers wrong,
but it's like eighteen forty sixty or something like that.
(25:41):
When you're eighteen, you think about you, think everything is
about you. You think everybody's talking about you. When you're forty,
you don't care if anybody's talking about you, and when
you're sixty you realize nobody was ever talking about you.
It's really really good. It's good, right, it is on
(26:03):
that note, let's take a break and come back, And
it looked like Tor was about to say something, so
hold that, thought, Tor, we'll come back and retrial the episode.
(26:25):
Hey guys, we're back. So I'm still feeling a wettle
fired up about this Vanessa situation because we were friends.
I felt like I felt like we all got along well.
So I think we should have her on the show
and kind of talk her through her experience. I want
to hear honestly what her experience was like me too, Yeah,
I would love that opportunity to to see what what
(26:47):
she meant by her comment. And you know, I remember
Vanessa was always very spiritual and very enlightened, very cool
like girl. So I wanted to love growth. Let's all
let's all grow if the Yeah, let's if let's all
grow through something. I don't know, it would be fun.
Let's do it. Praise Vanessa, come on the show. Any who?
(27:09):
Should we talk more about the episode? Yeah, I love
it that you hated this. A few more eyelashes out
and stabbed my eyeballs, Okay, go on. I know it
wasn't my favorite episode either. You know what takeaway that
I got from this episode was the way that Brenda
and Kelly fight or are you? It was like a
(27:34):
very it was almost a very like classy way of
just like bickering at each other throughout the episode until
you finally have your blowout. Your you blow up at
the very end. I know, when did they start fighting?
When did that happens? Like you almost don't notice it,
but it was just like yeah, then all of a sudden,
like you guys were at the lockers and like it
was going going back and forth, and then Kelly made
(27:55):
a comment about her costume that she was weary friend
to take off that costume. Yeah, I mean see, I
said Kelly is a bitch. In this episode, Kelly had
her moments of bitchiness, but yeah, throughout the season. I
mean that's what you hired me to do. I was
(28:17):
just doing my job. I don't know why you're surprised
when you see yourself up in a bitchy episode. It's
like that was kind of your character. I know, I know,
I know my fittest people. Um hold on, But you're right.
I did notice like Brendan Kelly were a little caddy
(28:39):
to each other and like right, like I didn't know why. Oh, now,
all of a sudden, she needed an antagonist, and I
guess that they decided it would be Kelly in this
episode with the bill write it in, Well, I think
that's also because you did she just keep saying you
like I get it. It was a character. It's very confusing,
I know, but I think it's because I'm sorry because
(29:02):
Kelly digits are for her brother, her twin brother, Brandon,
and I feel like there's some hurt there. Then let's
talk about that. Yeah, but they're not gonna talk about it.
How about when Brenda just moves out mom and there's
no there's no discussion with mom and dad. Just all
of a sudden, Brandon's using her room as his campaign
(29:23):
headquarters and mom and dad are and they're making buttons
or whatever they're doing. I actually rewound it because I
thought I missed something. I was like, why was that allowed? Yeah,
in what world do you just let your sixteen year
old daughter kind of move out? But then they explain
it was just supposed to be for three days. It
was like a trial thing. But even still, that's weird.
(29:46):
I don't know. Jim and Cindy, I questioned that that
it's a very convenient Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And then she
goes to watch Sky's apartment and feed her fish, and
then we never see Sky again, but we see Jack
again the comedy, the super super funny not guy comedian,
(30:10):
And then I thought, oh, No, is there going to
be like a love thing with him because he's an
older man? And then and then up randomly. Maybe he's
gonna keep being the Maybe there's gonna be a love thing.
I don't know. They're gonna make spaghetti out of a can.
It would be with no and not even warm it up.
You know, I have politics and stand up comedy. Oh
(30:33):
my gosh, you guys getting into the next episode. I
can't what a combo? Right? You know the icon for
Amazon Prime when I watched it was YouTube in your
matching campaign outfits. That was the icon for this episode. What, Yeah,
that's funny. The thumbnail whatever you call it, I call
(30:54):
it a thumbnail, Like is that just when it's like
the little picture. It's a weird word expression. I don't know.
I wasn't even into the fashion. This episode was weird,
Like it's just like everything just like I don't know
what was happening. I liked Brenda's costume. I like that
(31:18):
she was wearing. Maybe not the hat, but I love
the dress. Yeah, Donna and Kelly were sporting the blazers
a lot. They were trying to look real professional, not
even like colorful. You had a long red coat, but
I don't know. You had a daisy on your butt
of your shorts. I noticed, Yeah, with that white crop top.
(31:41):
That was fun. Yeah, it was just h It's a
real bumber. You guys weren't able to keep the clothes
from every episode. It makes no sense to me. Where
did you go? They auctioned it off. There was a
big auction. I think after the show they the wardrobe off.
(32:02):
I feel like, yes, oh, I wish I would have
gone to the auction. I know I would have put
one of my own pieces, and now I have nothing. Great. Thanks,
that's so crazy. You would think you you would have
first DIBs. I know, were why when we can at
least you know a flyer about the auction flyer. I'm
(32:25):
telling you Iron has pieces, like he kept certain words.
He has pieces because remember when we when we did
B eight nine or two and O, like afterwards they
were like selling off like you could buy like a
discounted a discount of price from the wardrobe, and it
was like, guys, be smart about this. We need to
(32:45):
buy these pieces because you want to have this in
your arsenal for yours. I don't have I don't have
an arsenal we'd love to meet him too, and I
maybe have him on this show hasn't worked out. I
feel like everyone, you guys bring him up the most
iron because you love him. I know where the hell
(33:07):
is iron searing. He's like the big brother you always wanted.
Pretty much, we all love him, love him, he's loved.
Why do you say that? Why do we say we
love him? Why do you say he's like the big
brother you always wanted because you could go to him
for advice or he made you laugh or he always
made us laugh first of all, Like, yeah, he's foremost hysterical,
(33:32):
but he's also just a good guy. And like he's
he's accessible, he's available, Like when you talk to him,
you feel like he's listening. And yeah, you know you
feel as you feel like you're connected with him. When
you're with him, it's nice, kind and loving, nurturing. Yeah,
and such a great dad. Now, Like, oh my god,
(33:53):
when I see the pictures of his little girls in
their cute little family, like his girl time with his kid,
it's like it makes me so happy because I know
those girls are laughing their asses off all the time,
Like I know that they love their dad. They're like
dad is so much fun. And that makes me really
(34:13):
happy for not just those kids, but for him because
I know it makes him happy to make them happy.
So yeah, come on the show. Jeez, another invitation? Is
that not a good invitation? Send him that clip and
(34:33):
this is how much we talk about you on the
podcast all the time. Please come on. Maybe if we
stopped talking about him, then he would get mad and
then he would come Onlogy, I like that. I like that.
Oh boy, oh boy, we had um. Yeah, it wasn't
(34:55):
a good fashion episode, but there was some good one
liners m sprinkled throughout, some really great lines. What was
your your feve? I really liked Have you ever felt
like a phone call that's been disconnected? Brenda wash all
(35:17):
the time? Would you guys like my line? Uh? My
line was from um Andrea Zuckerman. She said it's perfect.
No one knows you well enough to hate you, and
I thought, Wow, she's right. That's a good place to sit.
(35:38):
No one knows you well enough to hate you. We're
screwed because people know us too well. They get to
love us or hate us. What about you? Sis? Um,
I have to So this one's from Brenda and it
was to your parents, says you raised me so well,
I'm ahead of myself. That's confusing, I know, but it's
(36:02):
such a teenage thing to say to your parents. Yeah.
And then this one is funny. Um it's from Kelly
and she says the photo places closed soon when you
were taking pictures of Brandon for the campaign. She mentions
that she has to take it to the photo place
(36:23):
to have the pictures developed. And it was just more
like remember those whipper snappers out there probably don't remember
when you had to actually rewind your camera, the film,
actual film in your camera and take it, put it
in a little envelope, remember, and fill out the form.
Now we get the best though, because sometimes like it
(36:45):
wasn't instant gratification, you had to wait a week and
like if you had gone to a party or been
doing something you would get the phos photos back. Did
you ever get photos back? You're like, WHOA, I didn't
remember that happening. Ye show your Night on Old You're like,
oh my gosh. And then one hour photo came out
and the world changed for an instant. In an instant,
(37:08):
we could get our pictures in one hour. I guess
you didn't really take as many like lame photos. Then
you you were more specific about what you were taking
pictures of. You didn't take a picture of your salad
Y had for lunch, or like right now, or the
same photo fifty of the same photo exactly. Oh my gosh.
(37:30):
I try to do that sometimes, to go back to
that mentality of just taking like the one photo, and
it's it's impossible, because why yeah, And sometimes if I
have like extra time on my hands, I'll go through
my camera roll and take all the bad ones and
delete them and just try to narrow it down to
the like winner. It's endless though, it's impossible. Um. We
(37:52):
have a few emails from some listeners. Um, I think
we should take a break, okay and come back with
those Let's do it all right, ladies. A couple of questions. Um.
(38:17):
This one is from Pomona Underscore Mama. She says, I
recently came across the pod loving it. We have a
fan that's happy. Guys. I watched Nino two religiously for
the first few years and then off and on towards
the end, after the college years. Where would each character
(38:38):
be ine? Oh wow, that's a good question. You have
to really like give that some thought though, Yeah, take
your time, heavy one, Okay, I'll just I'll go first
with let's pick a character. I'm gonna go easy, and
I'm gonna say Steve Sanders is now all grows up
(39:04):
and he owns uh a like a customizing shop for
um fancy corvettes. He owns like he owns like a
chain of like Sanders sand I don't know, Sanders Automotives
or something like where he would be so mad at
(39:26):
you wait, I can step in here on that one.
So years ago, Ian and I were at a fan
convention and they asked him that, and he said that
I'm not going to quote it verbat him that Steve
Sanders owned was a very huge, like big international, like
entrepreneur speaker. He owned his own island, kind of like
(39:50):
um Jo Brand Sampson Richard Brampson. That's where Iron said
Steve was, and that he was single. That sounds fun,
Yeah right, good for have much better than an automotive dealer.
I'm surprised. I thought, when you said you're gonna go
with easy, we're gonna go with your own character. Yeah,
I know that's hard. That one's harder for me to
(40:11):
pin her down. I mean another easy one would be Andrea.
I think Andrea has gone on to become the first
female president of sag Aftra and she plans to run
for president of the United States. In's I like that one.
It's actually real life. Only she would run for president.
(40:34):
Would be so amazing. I could see it happening. Will
Smith just announced he wants to run for office. It's
like jump on the free for all. Yeah, it's a
free for all. M hmm. What about Donna? I feel
you know me, I'm gonna be sappy and be like
David and Donna are still married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
(40:54):
like that storyline in Love and a Ton of Kids.
I do hope that Donna is still like isn't a
fashion though, because that was really important to her. So
I hope she has a fashion line or does something
styling or something that would make her happy in the
fashion world. I feel like Donna still keeps it very
interesting in the bedroom for David as well what I
(41:17):
think she does and all the marriage she works at it. Yeah,
America's most famous virgin is now into B D s M.
Probably not that extreme, but yeah, I kind of want
Kelly and Donna to have gone off to New York
City and be living together still like sex in the city,
(41:41):
like parallel universe. Damn it, we should have done that. Yeah,
I like that idea. Kelly and Donna take Manhattan? Is
it still? Is it too late? No? I'm pretty sure
Manhattan's already been taken. M hmm. Okay, who else is there? Brekendon?
Where's Brandon Walsh? Oh my gosh, this is hard, This
(42:03):
is too hard. Brandon Brandon? Well, maybe he moved back
to Minnesota and he runs a cattle farm. I don't know. Maybe,
I don't know. He's a farmer now, who knows. He
wanted to be a politician. He wanted to be in politics.
(42:25):
Right later in the series, I think he ends up
branding for president too against Andrea. I could see Brandon
after all coming back to his like stomping ground and
being a school teacher. Oh really, he'd be a favorite
(42:46):
school teacher. Kids would like him. And where's Brenda? Where's Brenda? Now?
She's still in London. Yeah, she's in Europe somewhere where
she's married and has kids and runs like a theater. Cool.
I like it. Yeah, good one, because everyone well, yeah,
(43:11):
that's everyone. Well, David we didn't go. He's just still
married to Donna. What is he doing still? Is he's
producing some some beats? What's he doing? Yeah, that's not
too far off. Yeah, he's producing for like jay Z
and uh Brianna. Now go oh they all came out
(43:33):
on top. I love it. Look at that. He still
didn't do Kelly. Yeah, Kelly definitely moved to New York
and um, she's it's in some high powered position as
a running a women's equality empire or something. I don't know,
something about women's rights or women being strong. I think
that she would really be a voice for women. I
(43:56):
like that me too. Al Right, next question, and Jordan's
is asking. Through ten seasons of the show, we saw
a lot of cast come and go, including main characters,
but Jenny and Torrey stayed the whole time. Was there
ever a time during the show where you wanted to
call it quits or at least take a break for
(44:18):
a season or two? On my part, no, because I
remember people saying you would hear about Remember Luke was
all up in arms that time. That was who was
it the quit the guy on n Why Pete Blue? No,
the redhead the guy? Remember David Cruso. Luke was so
(44:39):
up in arms. He's like, this guy has a great career,
he's doing this and then he just quit and he's
like he doesn't know how lucky he is. Remember that,
and he reached out to him. He did. He did
did chastise him for making his own choices. I think so,
or maybe he was happy you made I don't know,
(45:01):
but I remember it. The message got across from to
me that was like when you have a gift handed
to you, you don't on it. Basically like we had
a gift and it was a great show and it
made us want to stay. I mean, there wasn't a time,
you know, ten years is a long time. I don't
think there was ever a time where I hate it
(45:22):
going to work like I loved. There were you know,
there's often on days with everyone in every field you're in,
but there was never a day where I was like, oh,
I don't want to do this anymore. Like I really
loved being with my family every day. Yeah, I can
second that. Actually I I loved that job and I
(45:42):
knew I don't think I ever felt like I ever
took it for granted because I knew that I was
really lucky to be there, and I knew that I
was being given an opportunity that a lot of people
hadn't been given, and I didn't take that for granted.
And also like we got to grow up there in
(46:03):
a kind of a bubble, which was really cool and
in some ways. And then you know, I got to
have a baby on that show and be pregnant and
have a child and bring my child to work every day.
So I was never like chomping to leave. No, was
(46:25):
there ever a time, like maybe season six or seven
that like, were the ratings ever bad or were they
always solid and always good and you guys felt secure
in that sense? I think they were always good. I
don't I think, you know, with any show, there is
a decline as it goes on. It's just the inevitable
(46:46):
evolution of it. But um, I don't think the ratings
were ever bad. I know we all talked periodically about
we wanted to end before quote unquote jumps the Shark.
Will have a different perception when each show jumps shark.
Mm hmm. It's just saying like, when it's like, but
what was that was that season ten then? Or do
(47:08):
you think it could have gone on to maybe up
to fifteen seasons. I think we wanted it to end
before it jumped the shark, and we felt like it
was appropriate. But looking back now, that was a damn
good job. We should have stayed for fifteen seasons. I'm
just saying, I know, Yeah, I feel like it was
a decision that I don't know who made the decision exactly,
(47:28):
but it was a little hasty. Yeah. So you guys
went into season ten knowing that was last season or
you were told within that season, right, I don't remember.
I don't remember, Yeah, but I know we were. It
was like devastating, even though we knew about it and
(47:50):
we were prepared for it and we were working towards
it to like have this completion the tenth episode, but
the season I feel like it was still really hard
for us to all wrap our heads around. Mhm. Imagine
And what about like the next day when you just
didn't have to come to work. It was weird. It
was fun because it felt like summer break for a moment,
(48:11):
and then all of a sudden it just wasn't. And
then it was like a whole chapter of your life
which is done. That was the most startling part, Like
when it was all over, Like after you sat in
that for like a month, you're like whoa. But the
the lucky part for us is like now I realize
it more than ever, Like now we can we can
go back and watch a decade of our lives on
(48:35):
camera and fill in all the blanks and fill in
all the spaces and remember so much of it and
see it all so vividly because of the show, And
it's like forever, you know, in history. I like that.
Not many people can say they have that, and we do.
And luckily with this podcast, we're just in the first season,
(48:57):
so there's so much we need to do it all
over again. And uh huh um. The next episode is
episode eighteen and it's called It's only a Test. There's
no politics in it, right, I don't know if there
might be a test. She's not gonna like that either. Alright, guys,
(49:21):
have a great week. We love you, I love you.
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