September 24, 2025 • 50 mins
Tori’s catching up with longtime friend Heather McDonald and the conversation goes everywhere — from kids who can finally drive you home after sushi, to the infamous night of baked potato gate! They talk Uber rides, TikTok rabbit holes, tattoos gone wrong, and why BravoCon has totally changed the Housewives game. It’s funny, unfiltered, and exactly the kind of chat you want to eavesdrop on.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi my friend. Hello, how are you I am? I'm okay, okay,
you look so pretty.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh thanks, I put makeup on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, I've been in your studio. You do it right,
you have the full setup.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
This is just this is at my house when I
do zooms, and I just have a screen green screen
of the Juicy Scoop on the zoom, so I can
be in any room and have that background.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Like you could be on the toilet right now.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I could be on the toilet. I'm not. I'm just
in a bedroom with some decent natural light coming through.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Because you're so naturally pretty, it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh shush, I miss you. Thanks, I miss you. Try
haven't seen you, it's so, I know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Feel like I haven't seen you since the big d
in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh, I know when we went to all the Josh
Flag parties. I know, I know. I hung out with
them last summer when we were in France, and we'd
like talked and tried to get together. But I just
we haven't like done a dinner or anything in so long.
If so, it'd be fun if we all got together.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It would okay. So wait, going back. So we were
at dinners and your someone can pick you up, and
I used to be so jealous and you'd be like, oh,
years will get there one day. And now my Stella
is seventeen and she drives.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Have you asked her to like do stuff like that
for you?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh? Yes, school pickups, I've asked her. Now it's nice.
We can go out for like sushi and I can
have a sake and yeah, you drive home, babe.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It is so great because it's like, you know, when
you were pregnant, you're the designated driver, and now that
baby that you were carrying around while you drove like
your husband and the friends around, now they can take
you home and you can enjoy yourself and it's it's
it's great. It's that's giving them some responsibility like that.
I know a lot of kids are not feeling the
(02:04):
need to drive, and it's I'm kind of curious what
life will be like in five or ten years. Because
two of our cars do have the self driving capabilities.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That scares me.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's honestly, I don't do it. It's awesome, it's great.
At first, it's so weird, but like now we'll do
it and it gets smarter and smarter, and so it's
like at first, like, oh, that was kind of a
weird wide turn getting into our street. But then it's like, no,
it's it's it's amazing. And the thing is is that
(02:38):
you can't be watching TV, like it's watching your eyes,
so you have to still be alert. But like if
you're doing a long drive to like Sprase or something
that would normally like kind of physically exhaust you. Right,
it's nice that like you could do that once you
feel comfortable with it. But it is weird, and I
don't know when people will totally feel like comfortable with it,
(02:59):
but it'll be a time when you know, everybody will
be doing it and it'll be like, oh my god,
remember when our kids used to have to learn how
to drive?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And I don't know, it's gonna really upset me. Yeah.
I have one that's eighteen that says he's getting his license,
but he's in no hurt. He's an uber guy. See,
I actually like driving, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I liked I like driving too. You know, it's
it's it's fun. I mean for me, it's kind of
fun and I feel but the way mos are the
self driving ubers and they're only in like parts of
like down to La and stuff, and young kids will
do that. They they like it. They like not talking
to an uber driver. They hop in the back. They
(03:40):
have no problem with it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I love a good uber driver. It's where I get
a lot of my stories from.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sure can concur or sometimes I feel like I am
like extra entertaining because I'm like, I just want this
guy to have like a good time. So I'm like
dropping juice and being funny like chalking on the phone,
and I'm like, I don't even care, like if the
story got out, So how are things going. I saw
you did a video where you're like, I'm getting back
into cooking. I did a baked potato night and because
(04:09):
you were saying you were just not into it for
the last two years.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right, So the final fight the Diana and I and
you know, Dean well ish and not that you were surprised.
I think we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, when you came to my show, I was like, Okay,
what is going on? And you're just kind of you
were just like brushing it off, and I was like,
all right, Well, people go through tough times, you know,
so like maybe you just weren't really sure at that
time if it was absolutely doomed or not. Was there
like an aha moment? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean like every dinner party, like we've talked through it,
but yeah, I was there. There was an aha moment. Yeah,
and involved a baked potato, which is why I'm back
into cooking baked potatoes. And I take pride in my
baked potatoes. I load them to perfection, and I'm one
of those like very specific about it. It's like magic.
And I I had just prepared my loaded baked potato
(05:02):
and we started in on a fight and it just
escalated to the point where I was just like fuck it,
and I'd smashed my baked potato and that potato went
flying all over the kitchen like there was like cheese, bacon,
sour cream covering wall to wall, and I was like wow.
And I wasn't even upset at the fight. I was
upset the potato got wasted. So that's how you know
(05:23):
it was done, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So after that, you were triggered by delicious baked potatoes,
and now you're finally like, it's not the potato's fault, Like,
why are you denying yourself a baked potato because of
a horrible fight memory. I'm glad you're over it, but
I couldn't see why it lasted a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Two years two years, actually, I could not cook it
for two years. It was Postmates every single night. But
now we're cooking again, and now I was so exhausted
last night. I feel like I've cooked for like eight
days in a row. And I said to the kids,
I just want to order in all something tonight. And
I asked my youngest who's eight, and he's like, no, Mom, cook,
(06:00):
And I was like, oh, yes, that's so cute, So
cook do you cook? I?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, I have a thing with cooking too, and that
I'm really confident with breakfast and every kind of like
breakfast pancakes, an omelet and exciting whatever scramble, you know,
all the kinds of eggs all that, And then I
could obviously do salads in the sandwich, really good dinners
like I've never like done a big piece of meat
(06:29):
with like the slow roasting things. And I love watching
all the stuff like on TikTok, and I'm always like, oh,
I'm going to get like I'm gonna do this thing.
I'm gonna do this like chicken. Oh this, Oh, marry
me chicken. This looks so easy, And then when it
just comes to the night, I'm like, well, I don't
really have the stuff, and honestly, I have messed up
a lot. And I felt like my husband and my
(06:50):
kids were never like, mom, make that delicious thing. So
since they weren't asking, and for a good portion of
their childhood, I wouldn't really be home for dinner, Like
I'd come home more at like seven thirty eight, right,
So yeah, we were not really that family that like
sat down. We did a lot of things together. That's
why I kind of liked going to eat out because
(07:12):
I'm like, eating out at a restaurant does force us
to like sit and have a meal more than if
we were eating at home, or if someone wants this
and someone wants that. Now, like we're not even really
all sitting at a table. And I know that that's
bad because that's like such a big part of like
what they say American culture is about it, and I
think it is so valuable if your schedule works out
for it. But I don't think you shoud feel guilty
(07:35):
about it either. I mean, there's other things that you
guys can do together then you know, all sit down
and talk about your day and all that. And there's
like a lot of I think a lot of people
that have that would probably look back and go there
was some like we had that at my family of five,
and dinners were like could be like a fucking nightmare,
Like it could be arguments, fight, stress, you know whatever.
(07:59):
So's it's not always like the most perfect memory of
all sitting down every night, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right when I cook, though, I see them they get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I see that's really see to cook with the kids. Yes,
And I think it's less expensive. I think it's better
for you, you know, you you know, and I even
think you eat better, you eat less, you know, because
it's like why did you you know you don't need
that much or whatever. And when you think about like
what sometimes you get like a salad or whatever, and
(08:30):
I'm like, wait a minute, this salad has like some
shaved carrots. This is not even a fourth of a carrot.
You know, if I was to have a carrot, like
that's a whole Like I don't know. There's just sometimes
when you look at these portions now and you're just
like what am I doing? Or you look at like
a chicken salad and you're like, the salad, this is
like a third of a half of a breast, Like
(08:51):
this is barely in a chicken, and it's twenty six dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You're just yeah, yeah, I'm terrible with mouth and money,
so I just eat it. But it's it probably does
not work out in the long run. Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Now I just got to get them off their phone.
So we're together in the kitchen, sitting around the table.
The phones are still an issue. Yes, are you a TikToker?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love TikTok?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Are you a TikTok addict?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah? Yes, both TikTok and reels on Instagram. I love it.
I definitely watch it way more than regular TV or
streaming or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Like if we pulled up your phone and pulled up
your hours on social, like what would it show.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, it's also I don't really use a computer, so
it's also where.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I see I make that excuse to do.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So it's where I do everything, like as far as
I do all my own research and stuff for Juicy
Scoop and now I do Juicy Crimes, which is every Wednesday,
So I am like working on it all the time.
If I wake up at three in the morning, which
you do at this age, if I want to go,
I won't turn on the TV. I'll just go on
that for like a half hour and just like look
(10:02):
at stuff. Do you have tattoos? You have tattoos?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Right, I have tattoos. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
How did she feel about when you started getting tattoos? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, I didn't tell her about my first tattoo. I
was in my first apartment and I had just gotten
my boobs done. She came over to take care of me,
and I was so like, kind of loopy out of
it that I was just in bed and she looked
down and she goes on my ankle. It was a rose.
It was a stupid one that like one of my
first bad boyfriends, Like I was like, we're gonna get tattoos,
(10:39):
and then I'm like I don't want to get a tattoo,
and he's like, oh, of course you're not, and you'd
puss out. I'm like, fucking put that tattoo on. It's
still there. But I was laying in bed and she'd
look down, she goes, what's that? And then you have
to play it off? And I was like my tattoo, mom,
you know what's there? And she was like, oh, we
never spoke about it again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh really, she never said slow it down or stuff
getting tats. Nope. No, it's a really hard thing to say.
I mean I used when my kids were little, I'd
be like, well, I said, remember when you were into
Dora the Explorer. I'm like, well, now, imagine this when
they're like ten. Now, imagine you're at a pool party
after baseball practice and you take off your shirt and
(11:20):
there's a big Dora and you know, boots and the
creepy map and it's all on your back and everyone's like,
why do you have Dora the Explore on your back?
Like you're ten? Weirdo. I go, that's kind of what
it can be like, you know, so you want to
be really careful about it. But you know, then it
became right now it's like such a fashionable thing, and
(11:41):
so I'm kind of like with my stepdaughter, who I'm
very close to, I'm like, you know what I said,
my piece of like, you really want to think about it,
but at the same time, it's your body. You're twenty
you know, you're twenty five and all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But has she gotten ones?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh, yeah, she has, she has some.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Have you gotten ones together?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah? I mean it just kind of it was like
all happened within like a year of getting a lot
of them, and.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, you have tattoos?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, she I don't have any. My stepdaughter does.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Would you get them together? Would you get one?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I thought could get all of them at the same time,
not at like, I don't think the same day.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Let me be clear. Would you get a matching tattoo
with her?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna at this point.
I don't feel there's tattoos that I find. I find
they're like the tattoos that are like cool and attractive
and special, like when people get stuff written like right
here or you know, like there's there's I think it's
sexy on guys. I do like certain guys. I do
think it works. Like I'm not like dead against it.
(12:48):
I just feel like at this point I would I
have no desire to and I don't you know, but
I mean a lot of people get removed and it
is a big, long, expensive process, So I think people
should rethink it, and I think there's going to be
a trend. I like to product trends where it's going
(13:11):
to be and people are going to get mad. I
do think it's going to be like five or ten
years from like no one's going to get them like
it's not it's not going to be in and it's
going to be like like I feel like Sabrina Carpenter
not having any is kind of interesting, and if she
has any, she has very few compared to like a
Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Okay, well, I feel like this is a strange, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Going to get people hating me that I don't like
love tattoos.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You don't love tattoos. Why, I don't know. I think
they hate you for far other reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't know, But I wish I would have said
like my kids, I would I would tell them things
and they seem to accept it, which I was like,
you know, don't have kids, tell you're thirty, don't have kids,
tell you're thirty, just you know, get or close to thirty,
Like just get closer to thirty before you ever have kids.
And right now my kids are twenty five and twenty
(14:08):
twenty one and in nineteen, so thank god no one's
had kids. But I wonder if I should have said
that like, don't get a tattoo till you're over twenty
five or something, because then you're kind of like a
little more mature and you're not doing it because everybody's
like going and you know, you're not like in that
like stage of just like I don't feel like it's
(14:28):
kind of an exciting I feel like it's a conversation
starter too, So I think people kind of like it
for that reason because it's so hard to start talking
to people the same way as you'd go to like
a dog park and what kind of dog you have, Like,
I feel like you can always go up to someone
and say, ooh, I really like that tattoo.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think it's kind of good for like, yeah, I
always say that because I think, yeah, like I try
to fit in though I don't say tattoo, I'm like,
I like your artwork, and then they're like ooh, you know,
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, it's a great conversation. It makes you cool.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And so neither of your boys have tattoos.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, No, My one son has two little earrings that
he got like in London right before freshman year of college,
and you know, I'm hoping he wouldn't. My other one
I don't think would ever. I just don't think it's
like his style. But who knows. I'm sure there'll be
(15:20):
some way. There is a way that you do the
temporary one that like goes away in six months. So
I'm sure there's going to be something also in the
future that is more like that where it lasts like
two years, you know, or something. They're probably perfecting it
now because I do think it's like a cool, fun thing,
and I do think it can like compliment an outfit
or a look or go with style or you know.
(15:42):
I think it's kind of a cool thing.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Like really high end fake ones. Now, yeah, my dad,
My dad had.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
One on no, a real one. After he got out
of the Marines. He had USMC like right here. And
then he said, when he was in the corporate world
being the mad men, you know, it was seen like
the only people that had that were kind of like,
you know, not white collar people like trash whatever. So
(16:09):
he was like, got a barbecue or something, he'd put
a band aid on it. And then he said, and
then one day I said, what the fuck am I doing.
I'm proud to be a marine. I've fought in a
war like I'm never hiding this and then that was it.
We always thought it was kind of cool. I love
that story.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah wait, so okay, so safe to say you're probably
never getting a tattoo. It's a word to get a tattoo.
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I always remember a friend of mine saying, don't
ever put someone's name on your body that isn't already
in heaven, because someone who's passed will never disappoint you
or break up with your whatever. So I think that's
a good rule, like, you know, as far as that,
so you know that would be the only thing. But
(16:59):
I'm and I've had, you know, both my parents passed
and stuff. I just I don't feel like a draw
to it. I just don't feel like I just don't
think that that is what my life at this age
like is going to lead me too. Like I was
just and now they have like a gifting suitets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They were like parties.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Now I have like good tattoo people. So I could
see the temptation if you already had a few, to
get a little hard or to get a significant number
or something at a party, because you're like, who cares
already have seven? So I understand like the appeal for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Now they have the freckle tattoo that everyone's getting.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
What's that? Just a freckle?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Just a dog sometimes the freckles, just a freckle. It's yeah,
it's literally like a brown colored tattoo and makes a
little freckled. You can get like a freckle with your friend. Okay,
I don't know. So my soon to be ex has
my name and face everywhere on him.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now, what did you think when he came home with
the face one? Is that like flattering or is that
kind of weird?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well? There is it? When he got it, it's on
the back of his arm. Okay, what is this called
back of your bicep?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, okay, I was there, and well I had always
been taught never put someone you're dating their name on
you because you'll break up. And a previous boyfriend had
put my nickname on him and we did break up.
So I was like, I'm never doing it. And then
(18:26):
when I got together with Dean, I didn't want him
to do it because I was like, oh my god,
I'm superstitious we're going to break up. So then he
just went straight into my face and I'm like whoof.
So it was a good picture and the tattoo artist
did a phenomenal job. I always felt like I was
looking at myself though, Like it was like I was
always like wink wink, there I am, and like my
(18:48):
I'm in a bra, so it's kind of like my
boobs are there too. So I was like, is it borderline?
Kind of trashy as opposed to like chic. But now
when I look at it, I'm like, God, I was
so young there, Like I want to take him with
me to the dermatologist if I ever get anything done
(19:08):
or a plastic surgeon, if I ever get anything done
in my face, and just take that his arm and
show my face and be like, make me look like
that again, because I was like flawless haut too.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah that's good.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah yeah, but he I was the most surprised though,
when he came home from he was filming in Canada.
He came home and he had my main tattooed above
his privates, like right above yeah, oh it said tories
no arrow down or anything, Just like, how would that
(19:45):
make you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Remember when girls would get this is real trashy, When
girls would get like all on their tramp stamp like
right property of yeah, yeah, especially because he like didn't
ask for it. It's just it's kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Wait, So if Leeter came home You've been working for
like three four months away from you and the kids,
and he came home and getting a little like sexy time,
pops his pants open and says, look and you saw
that he saw it? Stries would you be pissed? And
I'm just going, there's what would what would be the
(20:24):
first thing that would come through to come to your mind?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, first I would think it was fake, you know,
like a joke, and then if it really was, I
would be like, I have to do the story behind it.
A why didn't you film it for like content or something?
I would have died to have gone? How much did
it hurt? And I'm very flattered, But don't get anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I don't scroll TikTok.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well you're missing out, but it is addictive, So if
you're not doing it, it's probably good. You're probably sleeping
better without it now.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I do Instagram. I don't know. I've not gotten into
TikTok because my kids are so into it and I'm
like I have to be the parent, Like it's rotting
your brain. And then I'm like, I don't want to
be like, but I'm doing it. So it's like I.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Phone away and I looked at what he was watching,
like on his for you page, and I was so
pleasantly surprised, like, because that says a lot about somebody
with there if you go to their four you page.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Wait, did you see that Rachel Zoe is going to
be on Real Housewives? Did you already know this?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, I knew it, and I recently on Thursday, I
went to Kathy Hilton's house for a party for Nikki
Hilton's new jewelry line, and they were filing for the show,
so they were all there and they all looked great.
She looked gorgeous. I mean, I like her style. Do
you know Rachel I? I, well, I was obsessed with
(21:44):
the show and with the Rachel Zoe project and loved
back of my Chelsea Lately days. We did a very
funny sketch where I was Rachel Zoe and this other
guy was Brad and then remember Taylor, like Taylor with
her bed with Jen Kirkman, and then Chewie was like
our client, our celebrity client. So then it was a
(22:05):
lot of like me with the glasses being like I'd
die let tree, you know, all that kind of stuff.
So it was cute. So then I think she saw it.
So then like I met her and she's like, oh,
I love it. And then for a minute she had
a podcast with the husband now so e and so
either she was on mine or I was on hers
during like COVID time and we did a zoom and
(22:29):
I got to hear her whole story of like how
they met in college and their like love affair and partnership,
which I thought was really really interesting. So you know,
it's sad that they're broke it up, and I guess
that gets revealed in the show. She kind of shares
about it. Oh okay, And I don't think it's a
secret that there is. I think there was you know,
(22:50):
other women or something or I don't know. So that
was kind of surprising. And then but yeah, we'll see,
like we'll see how it works. I think it's like
interesting with someone like her that had her own reality
show then comes on to a place that's like where
(23:11):
now in this day and age, when you're on it,
you're like really like encouraged to like bring it like
you know, every every instant that you have with someone
that you know they're five minutes late or whatever you're
supposed to be like, And I just think for other
for some women, like they're just not going to play
(23:31):
that game. So I don't know how much action it
they'll be as far as like that kind of stuff.
I feel like I don't need it, Like when it's
Beverly Hills and it's beautiful homes and it's places I like,
and it's women that I like just I mean agree,
just watching them like Erica Jane. I love that she
is like a real girls girl now and gives some
(23:54):
great advice and like I saw her and I said,
I love that you're dating the Shrek guy that goes
by Shruck, who's like this Navy seal. She's dating this
like former Navy seals, like high security, private security guy,
and and I go, you're still dating When she said yes,
and I go, I love that for you, And she's like,
why why do you love it for me? Like she
(24:14):
was like giddy, like it was I don't know, I
just happy for you, Like I'm just happy that like
that's kind of behind you and you're like doing so well.
She looked gorgeous. Ky looked gorgeous. They all look good.
There's two new girls who.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There's two new girls I heard you who.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Though I don't know who they are besides Rachel's. Oh,
there's two girls that were like filming with them that
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Friends you think are like main cast.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think one is a main cast and one's like
a friend.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Of and you didn't recognize them or you just can't say.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, I didn't recognize them at all, So I think
they're not They're not actresses, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So I used to be obsessed with Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills and New York. Those were my two that
I always faithfully I have watched every single season. And
I kind of took a little break from Beverly Hills
like in the last two years, and maybe with what
I was going through, I didn't really have time to
watch and didn't focus on it. But I'm gonna totally
(25:20):
watch the season because, yeah, I've known Rachel though since
since she met Roger, Like I think I've known her
since we were like eighteen, So their like love story
and they were always so great. So I was always
such a champion of them, but I don't know how
(25:40):
she'll fit in because I'm knowing Rachel for so long.
I've never seen her as that girl that engages in
hardcore fights. Not that she plant does it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But does anybody does anybody our age on them? Like
does anybody really need to? Like I mean, if you
if you were like at a party. I've been in
groups where I'm like, I just don't think that chick
like digs me that much. But I don't like go
after her at the next party.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And scream and like, yeah I would, I would never.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I get triggered when like an like a woman that's
even just like a few years older than I am,
like tries to correct me. I feel like, oh, are
you the head of the English department at Louisville High School?
Like leave me the.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Fuck alone, Like I just literally where you went. We
talked about this and I went to westle like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And it's just like triggering, cause it's like that's that
like know it all quote unquote Karen, though I do
think Karen's can you know have gotten about rap? But
I'm like, I just feel like, like recently I was
playing pick a ball and this woman was like talking
to us about something and I'm like, wait, what what's
the rule? And then and then we started like off
(26:50):
still like talking to us, and I finally just said,
can we just have our fun? Like I work, this
is my one hour to do this. We're not doing
anything like it was just something about it like really
like triggered me, like stop being like such a know
it all or like whenever when people do. And I've
always felt like this since I was like twenty five.
If somehow like an older woman. I don't know why
(27:13):
it bothers me more for the woman than a man,
but like correct, like it's like like something about like
me doing something on the road, I'm just like fucking
shut up. I'm old, Like I'm old too, Like why
are you telling me what to do? Like leave me alone?
Like I just don't like anything like that. And I
never you know, being like I always say, sometimes being
(27:35):
a little bit famous prevents you from being the bit
you sometimes deserve to be when you're getting poor service.
I do believe sometimes you can be irritated. You can
say I don't appreciate this, like you know, but I
will never like I literally said, someone could shit in
my Chinese sugar sud. I will still leave twenty five
percent because I'm always like, oh my god, someone's going
(27:57):
to do a TikTok that I didn't leave a good
tip and like I don't need it, and so I
was like, if something sucks, I'm just like, all right,
I won't be back here again. But sometimes I'm like
that's ridiculous, like this wasn't good, or or the fact
that like every security guard is just on their cell phone.
I'm like, you're supposed to be protecting the school. Like
why you don't need to be on your phone while
(28:17):
you're working. You don't need to be on your phone
while you're bagging groceries. Yeah, but when you think about it,
when we were like working, we would go and like
check messages. We weren't constantly like like that's that's pleasure
that shouldn't be during work hours.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Sorry, Oh my god, remember why you had to go
to the payphone to check your pager?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh the voice and tech boy, Yeah that was exciting.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, it was. Yeah, give you a little something to
look forward to. Yeah, well I don't do that in
restaurants only because well, one, yes, I would be fearful
people wouldn't think I was overtly nice. Yeah, sickening sweet,
But also I wouldn't. I feared the like spit in
my food or something. Oh, I can never send it
(29:01):
back ever. No, that's not being nice, that's just being
terrified they'll spit in it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If something really is like beyond bad, I will just say, hey,
this just wasn't I think something whatever, I'm just stop
feeling this, and then they'll be like, do you want
something else? And I'm like no, all the same, no, no,
but like, hey, witig, I would like to take it off.
It sucked like and usually they take it off, but yeah,
(29:29):
usually they'll take it off something is really not good, like,
and it's so rare that it happens. It's so rare
that it's like it's like something's like terribly you know,
undercooked or overcooked or something like that that I'm just like,
this wasn't right edible. Yeah, but it's very rare that
I would ever do that.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
But do you hate when you don't like it? But
they just keep coming back to see how much of
it you're eating and they ask you fifty million times
like is everything okay with it? And you're like, and
I always am just like I'm just a slow eater,
which is probably true to it, Yeah, because I'm talking
and I forget to eat, and then they keep coming back,
keep coming back, sometimes to the point where I'm like,
(30:06):
I don't even want it anymore. But yeah, can I
ask you about your upcoming show in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes? So it is on the Friday Bravo Con weekend.
And I've done this for the last uh two other
Bravo cons. One was in New York and the other
one was Vegas. And so I love doing like a
live juicy scoop, which is I have Brady Julie her
on my show all the time, and we're gonna, you know,
talk about the housewise we have like all I have
(30:41):
all this fun like nostalgia and hilarious, but it's also
gonna be really snarky because I don't get paid by Bravo.
I I you know, so I don't care, and I
feel like I'm the og of talking about housewives. So
it's like I have scoop I'm saving and it'll be
fun and it's it will be most that more than anything.
It'll be hilarious and impressions and stuff like that. And
(31:04):
it was great because it kind of is the start
of Bravo Con and having gone there a few times,
I have told people like, you might want to just
do one day of it. It's a lot to be
like walking around the convention center and stuff. So I'm like,
you want to, like, come on my show Friday night,
you know, have a great show, do like all day Saturday,
(31:27):
and then like chill and do brunch and relax and
maybe do a spot with a girlfriend on Sunday and
then go home like that. I kind of think is
the greatest. But if you have all three days, then
you can do a little every day. But I don't
know how hard it is to get these tickets right now.
I don't know what's going on with them getting the
actual Bravo Cone tickets. But there's so much else going
on too that even if you didn't have tickets to
the convention, you could, you know, enjoy my show and
(31:50):
have like a fun Vegas. We can just get like
great meals and still probably see the housewives walking around.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I've always wanted to go to one, but it seems exhausting.
It really is, but it looks great on my social media.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It really it really want.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
To come to your show, but it is it is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Really it is really fun too, because it's just kind
of like if you're you know, you're up on the
Bravo stuff, it's funny. There's people that like like any
kind of like comic con. There's people that like dress
up and do like funny stuff, and there's so much
content and everything, and you know, uh, the housewives are
great and it's fun to see them and they do
gorgeous things, but not as much juice as like being
(32:29):
dropped right, because I think they're all like now they
know that anything that gets said at Bravocon where they
kind of lead you to a starky place, then their
friend will be mad at them and then that goes
to the whole. So I feel like the last Bravo
Con was like definitely less like juicy shit, but still fun,
(32:50):
still fun.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I still think it's really fun for the audience to
like see them up there, and you know, but like
I remember, like Lisa Renna came out at that time,
she was like the and she was booed and it's
just like I talk about this on my last Juicy
scoop at the where I talk about what's going on
in Real house is both to see. I'm like, it's
just a bummer that, like the talent has to hear
(33:14):
all the hate that happens because of some dumb storyline
that was edited not in their favor.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, and you have to have.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Social media in this world, and it's so it's really impossible.
I don't care how thick your skin is when you're
opening up her phone and after every post you put
is just nasty shit, or the people you follow are
writing nasty stuff about you. I'm like, if I had
a friend that said I want to do Real Housewives,
what do you think, Heather? I would say, if you
(33:45):
have any extra money in your budget, don't be spending
it on hair and makeup, learn to do your own lashes.
Don't don't do that because that's very expensive. Spend it
on someone that will like literally take your phone from
you or limit or somehow conduct your Instagram so that
you don't see all the awful shit. Like, let's go
(34:08):
back to the days of like, you know, when you're
when your dad was running Hollywood and publicists would just
go here, Elizabeth Taylor, here's some beautiful fan letters. Everyone's
loving your new movie. And here's sign this and like
you go on and like maybe Roger and Ebert didn't
like your movie, those two fat like fucks, But like
it's not everybody picking apart every little thing about you.
(34:31):
It's so hard, right, It's really hard. I don't think
people realize, you know, that it is difficult. And as
someone that talks about it, I always try to explain
it and talk about it and like be fun with
it too, but not to make it about somebody's looks
and not to you know, I never say I want
(34:51):
someone fired. I never say that. I'll say this is
what this person needs to do, or this this this
is what would be juicy if they did this, or
this is what I want to see next season. Like
I just try to and I still think you can
be entertaining like that, but I think there's so many
people doing it, and there's so many voices, And then
everybody in the comments is either jealous of the housewife
(35:12):
that they're not a housewife, or they're mad at the
people that are making a livy talking about it because
they're like, I'm a fan, I should be doing this,
you know. And then the rest of the people that
aren't commenting do like the show but though they're not
bothering commenting, so it's only negative stuff really, right, People
that are happy with the show are not like, let
me go on Instagram and write, you know what, girls,
(35:34):
what a great episode. I really loved everything you were wearing.
Really thought this was you know, that's more rare. So
it's like, I don't know. I know that in Australia
they do take social media away from the reality areas.
Why they're like under contract. It's like part of the deal,
which I can see why someone would want that because
(35:56):
it's like you're supposed to be building your authenty. You know,
you need to be authentic, so you need to be
on it. I don't know, there's got to be a
happy medium where you could almost like, like I said,
hire someone that kind of like only shows you the
stuff that's necessary and you still like put out videos
and they maybe post them for them or I don't know.
But also there's not a lot of people that I
think are qualified to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I thought my life was chaotic, but you just blew
my brain.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, I know. They were always like anxiety they talking
to you about Real Housewives in the Oh. People just
wanted it. People thought it or wanted it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It really like riles me up too, Not that I
would do it inevitably, but it riles me up that
year after year there's some like press thing that I'm
going to join the cast, not in a couple of years,
but there was before and then they've never asked me once. Yeah,
I'm like, what the fuck's wrong with me? Like people
(36:55):
were like you were the o G Beverly Hills, and
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But see, the shows are not going to go away,
so you just never know. You never know there might
be a time when your kids are older and something
like that does make sense. Like I always think I
wouldn't want to do it when people have said, oh,
would you ever do it? Just because I was friends
with them and stuff, and I said, I said no,
(37:20):
But now that all my kids are grown, you would
do it. If they asked me, I would be open
to it because I'm just like it would be even
they asked you. I think I'm too inside baseball, like
I know too much about it. I'm too much you
know what I mean. It wouldn't feel at the time
time that I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Why wouldn't they really ask me?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think that they that's what I'm saying. I think
they could, and then you would just have to do
it at a time in your life where you're like,
I don't I would not want to put my kids
on display while they're growing up me personally, now that
they're grown and they don't. They wouldn't care, and they
wouldn't have to be a part of it unless they
want it to be. I think that's where it's like
a challenge, you know, like you know, or when your
(38:00):
kid is two and it's fine, and now they're ten
and you're talking about some weird mental issue they're having
because it is your life and it is stressing you out.
But then are you kind of violating your child's privacy.
I think it's such a hard thing. But now this
has been your livelihood for ten years, so you're not
about to give it up. But they're like, you have
to talk about your life, this is what you're going through,
(38:21):
and you're like, yeah, but it's my ten year old
kid who has an eating disorder. Like Emily's talking about
her kid and a lot of people are criticizing her
for that, and I'm like, but I can imagine the
conversation that she's having with a producer being like, but
look by by shedding light on this, you'll be so
helpful to so many people, and you know, and maybe
(38:42):
your kid will thank you later. Like, I don't know.
It's a tricky thing, but it's it's like you damned
if you do, damned if you don't. If you hide
a part of your life, then everyone's like, you didn't
share about your da da da da. So it's like
and then you share about it, and they're like, what
a thirsty bitch for exposing your child? When I think,
I think a reality show personality that isn't doing it
(39:04):
like you did it, like when you had your own show, Yeah,
Torry and Dean, where you, you know, obviously had some
control over it. Yeah, Like I think when you don't
have any control of how you're going to be edited,
what they're going to say, it's it's nicer because it's
not all on your shoulders the way it was like
for you. You're an ensemble piece and you could have
some fun with it, but you also have no control
(39:26):
and how it could be perceived or what. And you
can do as many podcasts as you want and shot
from the highest mountain that like, I didn't say this.
I didn't lie. I didn't. But at a certain point
then you just are like, well, just let this die down,
like just let it die down until you know I
can come back and reinvent myself. Like I don't know,
it's a lot. I feel bad because I do. You know.
(39:49):
I am friends with some of them throughout the years
that they've been on my show, and I see that, like,
you know, when they're not the favorite, what it can be.
And then it's like the supposed to show up bravokhon
and possibly be booed when they come on stage, like
like already that's so weird. Like I always I kind
of think like Bravocon did sort of change really change
(40:10):
the landscape of Housewives where we were just peeking into
someone's life that was relatable to now they're walking out
and they're like, I'm a rock star, I'm I'm a
movie star.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You're right, and you're like, cause I watched like the
show see from the beginning, and it was like a
peek into a neighborhood and like oh yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean I have to say, and I know someone's
gonna be like you know, but I'm telling you. I
was like the first person to have a live, juicy
scoop and have housewives be guests. When I was doing it,
they were so nervous. They were so scared. They were
not actors, they were not people that have done speeches.
They were like they didn't have podcasts. They didn't And
I was like, no, no, it will be fun, come on,
And they did love it. And when I started to
(40:52):
do it then they were like, oh, we don't want
you know, then they kind of realized, wait, we could
do this ourselves, like we could have a big thing.
And and the Bravo con is a brilliant thing of
just getting a bunch of people together that love that
stuff and like have it be like their Super Bowl
or whatever. But now it's like, yeah, now it's like
(41:13):
there's no way to put the toothpaste back in the bottle.
Like I was watching all these old Real Housewife ones
because of this what's going on in Real Housewife OC
right now with like them going back to like this
naked wasted episode of like seventeen years ago. So then
I started to like watch it and it was just
it was just so different, and it really was entert
(41:35):
haty because you really were just like watching someone's life
that was kind of boring. And actually the women weren't rich.
They weren't like now they're always like no, I know,
oh my god, we want to see real wealth. I'm
like not until how the debro came on, what did
anyone have? Like yeah, oc is an expensive place to live,
but they're living in like stucco track houses, like they
had a tiny backyard. It's like they were not their houses,
(41:58):
you know, were like whatever. For the time, it wasn't
And then they weren't making a lot off the show,
so it wasn't like changing them at all. And they
really and because of there was no internet there was internet,
because there's no social media and podcasters and stuff. They
were like going to the right they were going to stores,
and it wasn't like they were recognizable. They had very
(42:18):
few like star moments, like unless they were like going
to do like a daytime shop show, which was pretty rare.
They would just film and then it would be over
with and then they'd film and like you know, so,
and then it became such a bigger thing that now
when someone gets hired, it's like I've got to have
a team, I've got to have hair and makeup, I've
got to, you know, get a podcast. I've got to
(42:39):
have my Instagram going what are my eight outfits for
Bravo con Like, it's a totally different thing than what
it was of like, oh, you have an interesting life,
you know, would you want the shore?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, well you're good at predicting trends, So what will
the next trend.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Be for reality TV? You know what? I can honestly say,
I don't. I really don't know. I don't. I know,
I don't know where it's gonna go. Maybe Kate Casey
was saying it's a friend of mine. She's like, the
only way I think it could kind of like and
I thought this kind of a brilliant idea is like
(43:18):
if you took the cast that people know and are
familiar with, because everyone's like, what's the storyline? What's the storyline?
That's a bad storyline. You're faking a storyline. You got
a blogger story. Why don't we just fuck the storylines
and like have them have like what this is case
I do you have like little challenges like within the group,
like your friend, Like if we were on it together, Okay,
(43:40):
it would be like Okay, I'm gonna find you three
real men that you're gonna go on a date with.
They're not gonna be from this girl's casting rolodex. I'm
really going to go out and ask a friend of
my husband's, would you just go and let the cameras
go on and just like be a normal dude that
goes on a date, and let's see if any of
these like last and and because we're friends, like we'd
(44:04):
really see that and it would feel less produced and
it would really be like a fun thing. And then
for somebody else, can.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
We do that in real life? Yeah, that would help
me out here.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, So I don't know. I think it could be more.
Let's do something that's like shows your personality, because we
do grow to know these women, and I don't know
about like, you know, always bringing in new people, Like
I think the reboot of New York did not work
having all new people that we didn't know. It just
didn't work. So I think we want the new people,
(44:34):
but we have to have them be doing other things.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And they're so good at the Mormon Housewives.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I do. I did watch them a little. I did
watch them. I didn't really watch the second season as much,
but I think it's brilliant, Like I think it's I think.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
These two of them should be on Dancing with the
Stars this season.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I think that's kind of good because then it's like
it is a huge audience. They're kind of have them
like fighting against each other.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And now they seem to get along, and I'm not
as interested.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You've been on it, right, yes, last season and had
way Where did you come in it? Did you come.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Eliminate a first double elimination any and I yes?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And were you sad about it or were you relieved?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I'm still pissed.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Oh really yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
No, I was really really sad because it took a
lot for me to do that and I was had
terrible performance anxiety and just not physical and five kids
and a lot of injuries and didn't know how to
dance at all. And I finally got my confidence boosted
and I went out there and believed in myself and
(45:44):
then I was gone. And I'm like, wompo, wait have
you been on No? Why do you say it like that?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think something would happen best lens in the business, like.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oho, Nos, I would do it. I would do it.
I have a whole plan of how I would succeed
a secret planned I don't want to tell on the show, okay,
but how I think I could do better at it.
But I know it is physically really hard, and I'm
not you know, I like to dance, but like I
(46:16):
get out of breath from dancing. I'm not an athlete,
so I do think physically, and especially as you get older,
it's a huge challenge. Though everyone's body gets snatched and
looks great, but like, how do you prevent getting like
callouses and stuff and those little character shoes.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
You don't you don't, And it's kind of one of
those things where I guess it could look easier when
you watch it on TV because the pros make it
look they make everyone look great on different levels, but
it's still like everyone looks great. And also when you started,
like you think like, oh, you know, it doesn't have
(46:55):
to be that huge of a time commitment. But for
me personally, like when I went into the studio the
first day to start the rehearsals, I was in well,
I'm also very competitive, so I wasn't gonna let myself down.
I wasn't gonna let my partner down. I wasn't gonna
let the show down, and I yeah, and the training
(47:16):
is in and like, never did anything like that in
my entire life. But it's such like it's hardcore moves
that your body isn't used to, Like I can go
in free form dance anywhere. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Question, So, how does it work? Do you get paid
a flat amount and then you get think you get
to stay on or do you get.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's favorite nations, most favorite nations, so everyone gets the same,
no one gets more, no one gets less, but you
do you get one payment, okay that everyone gets. And
then I believe, don't quote me on this, that each
week you stay on you make more.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yes, that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
But then I think if you make it to the finals,
you make a little even more, right, and then if
you win when I wouldn't know because I got photo
off first.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, everybody, Juicy Scoop is Tuesdays and Thursdays and on Wednesdays.
Now I'm doing juicy crimes, so I'll do a different
crime every Wednesday with different experts. But it's all crimes
that are juicy. So they're like grifter crimes, crimes of passion,
you know, stuff that we like, I can't believe this
person did this kind of a crime. So everything's there,
(48:33):
and have the McDonald dot net for if you want
to buy tickets to the Bravo Kon Show, which is
November fourteenth. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Wait one last question, sorry, are you crime obsessed? Is
that why or it's just not?
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yes, I always have. I always have been, and I
you know, I love all the docks and everything. I'm
bummed that it's rare that I start a doc and
I don't know how it ends because I do know
every crime. But so I have my favorite ones. Betty
Broaderick will always be one of my favorite ones. It
(49:05):
is the mother you know the story of Betty Broderick.
Oh yeah, yeah, She's one of my favorite ones. And
then you know, and then there's new ones. I'm not
really I'm not into like serial killers, Like I'm not
into like gory stuff. I'm into people that have led
somewhat exemplatory normal lives that then go off the deep
(49:25):
end because they fucked their dentists and wanted to be
with the dentist and like, I can't you know, and
now they're like this person that's you know, standing trial
for hiring their boyfriend to kill their husband. Those are
the kinds of things. Those are the kind of crimes
I love, or like something that involves you know, Hollywood
or like something like more like that type of stuff.
(49:47):
So those are the crimes that I get into marriage
and crimes of passion and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Nice, like your TV. If you turn on your TV,
smart TV just knows you. It's all that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yes, they know that. I like that and yeah and
how yeah awesome. Hopefully a housewife murder will never happen,
but like, yeah, I always think that could be, Like
that could be a really great scripted movie that has
a real housewives backdrop that involves a murder.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
The housewife murders. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Well, oh god, I love that. You're an idea person.
You're so sexy.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Okay, okay, I love you. Thank you. It's so fun. Okay,
I'll talk to you soon. Bye,
Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi my friend. Hello, how are you I am? I'm okay, okay,
you look so pretty.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh thanks, I put makeup on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, I've been in your studio. You do it right,
you have the full setup.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
This is just this is at my house when I
do zooms, and I just have a screen green screen
of the Juicy Scoop on the zoom, so I can
be in any room and have that background.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Like you could be on the toilet right now.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I could be on the toilet. I'm not. I'm just
in a bedroom with some decent natural light coming through.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Because you're so naturally pretty, it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh shush, I miss you. Thanks, I miss you. Try
haven't seen you, it's so, I know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Feel like I haven't seen you since the big d
in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh, I know when we went to all the Josh
Flag parties. I know, I know. I hung out with
them last summer when we were in France, and we'd
like talked and tried to get together. But I just
we haven't like done a dinner or anything in so long.
If so, it'd be fun if we all got together.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It would okay. So wait, going back. So we were
at dinners and your someone can pick you up, and
I used to be so jealous and you'd be like, oh,
years will get there one day. And now my Stella
is seventeen and she drives.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Have you asked her to like do stuff like that
for you?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh? Yes, school pickups, I've asked her. Now it's nice.
We can go out for like sushi and I can
have a sake and yeah, you drive home, babe.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It is so great because it's like, you know, when
you were pregnant, you're the designated driver, and now that
baby that you were carrying around while you drove like
your husband and the friends around, now they can take
you home and you can enjoy yourself and it's it's
it's great. It's that's giving them some responsibility like that.
I know a lot of kids are not feeling the
(02:04):
need to drive, and it's I'm kind of curious what
life will be like in five or ten years. Because
two of our cars do have the self driving capabilities.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That scares me.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's honestly, I don't do it. It's awesome, it's great.
At first, it's so weird, but like now we'll do
it and it gets smarter and smarter, and so it's
like at first, like, oh, that was kind of a
weird wide turn getting into our street. But then it's like, no,
it's it's it's amazing. And the thing is is that
(02:38):
you can't be watching TV, like it's watching your eyes,
so you have to still be alert. But like if
you're doing a long drive to like Sprase or something
that would normally like kind of physically exhaust you. Right,
it's nice that like you could do that once you
feel comfortable with it. But it is weird, and I
don't know when people will totally feel like comfortable with it,
(02:59):
but it'll be a time when you know, everybody will
be doing it and it'll be like, oh my god,
remember when our kids used to have to learn how
to drive?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And I don't know, it's gonna really upset me. Yeah.
I have one that's eighteen that says he's getting his license,
but he's in no hurt. He's an uber guy. See,
I actually like driving, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I liked I like driving too. You know, it's
it's it's fun. I mean for me, it's kind of
fun and I feel but the way mos are the
self driving ubers and they're only in like parts of
like down to La and stuff, and young kids will
do that. They they like it. They like not talking
to an uber driver. They hop in the back. They
(03:40):
have no problem with it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I love a good uber driver. It's where I get
a lot of my stories from.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sure can concur or sometimes I feel like I am
like extra entertaining because I'm like, I just want this
guy to have like a good time. So I'm like
dropping juice and being funny like chalking on the phone,
and I'm like, I don't even care, like if the
story got out, So how are things going. I saw
you did a video where you're like, I'm getting back
into cooking. I did a baked potato night and because
(04:09):
you were saying you were just not into it for
the last two years.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right, So the final fight the Diana and I and
you know, Dean well ish and not that you were surprised.
I think we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, when you came to my show, I was like, Okay,
what is going on? And you're just kind of you
were just like brushing it off, and I was like,
all right, Well, people go through tough times, you know,
so like maybe you just weren't really sure at that
time if it was absolutely doomed or not. Was there
like an aha moment? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean like every dinner party, like we've talked through it,
but yeah, I was there. There was an aha moment. Yeah,
and involved a baked potato, which is why I'm back
into cooking baked potatoes. And I take pride in my
baked potatoes. I load them to perfection, and I'm one
of those like very specific about it. It's like magic.
And I I had just prepared my loaded baked potato
(05:02):
and we started in on a fight and it just
escalated to the point where I was just like fuck it,
and I'd smashed my baked potato and that potato went
flying all over the kitchen like there was like cheese, bacon,
sour cream covering wall to wall, and I was like wow.
And I wasn't even upset at the fight. I was
upset the potato got wasted. So that's how you know
(05:23):
it was done, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So after that, you were triggered by delicious baked potatoes,
and now you're finally like, it's not the potato's fault, Like,
why are you denying yourself a baked potato because of
a horrible fight memory. I'm glad you're over it, but
I couldn't see why it lasted a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Two years two years, actually, I could not cook it
for two years. It was Postmates every single night. But
now we're cooking again, and now I was so exhausted
last night. I feel like I've cooked for like eight
days in a row. And I said to the kids,
I just want to order in all something tonight. And
I asked my youngest who's eight, and he's like, no, Mom, cook,
(06:00):
And I was like, oh, yes, that's so cute, So
cook do you cook? I?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, I have a thing with cooking too, and that
I'm really confident with breakfast and every kind of like
breakfast pancakes, an omelet and exciting whatever scramble, you know,
all the kinds of eggs all that, And then I
could obviously do salads in the sandwich, really good dinners
like I've never like done a big piece of meat
(06:29):
with like the slow roasting things. And I love watching
all the stuff like on TikTok, and I'm always like, oh,
I'm going to get like I'm gonna do this thing.
I'm gonna do this like chicken. Oh this, Oh, marry
me chicken. This looks so easy, And then when it
just comes to the night, I'm like, well, I don't
really have the stuff, and honestly, I have messed up
a lot. And I felt like my husband and my
(06:50):
kids were never like, mom, make that delicious thing. So
since they weren't asking, and for a good portion of
their childhood, I wouldn't really be home for dinner, Like
I'd come home more at like seven thirty eight, right,
So yeah, we were not really that family that like
sat down. We did a lot of things together. That's
why I kind of liked going to eat out because
(07:12):
I'm like, eating out at a restaurant does force us
to like sit and have a meal more than if
we were eating at home, or if someone wants this
and someone wants that. Now, like we're not even really
all sitting at a table. And I know that that's
bad because that's like such a big part of like
what they say American culture is about it, and I
think it is so valuable if your schedule works out
for it. But I don't think you shoud feel guilty
(07:35):
about it either. I mean, there's other things that you
guys can do together then you know, all sit down
and talk about your day and all that. And there's
like a lot of I think a lot of people
that have that would probably look back and go there
was some like we had that at my family of five,
and dinners were like could be like a fucking nightmare,
Like it could be arguments, fight, stress, you know whatever.
(07:59):
So's it's not always like the most perfect memory of
all sitting down every night, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right when I cook, though, I see them they get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I see that's really see to cook with the kids. Yes,
And I think it's less expensive. I think it's better
for you, you know, you you know, and I even
think you eat better, you eat less, you know, because
it's like why did you you know you don't need
that much or whatever. And when you think about like
what sometimes you get like a salad or whatever, and
(08:30):
I'm like, wait a minute, this salad has like some
shaved carrots. This is not even a fourth of a carrot.
You know, if I was to have a carrot, like
that's a whole Like I don't know. There's just sometimes
when you look at these portions now and you're just
like what am I doing? Or you look at like
a chicken salad and you're like, the salad, this is
like a third of a half of a breast, Like
(08:51):
this is barely in a chicken, and it's twenty six dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You're just yeah, yeah, I'm terrible with mouth and money,
so I just eat it. But it's it probably does
not work out in the long run. Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Now I just got to get them off their phone.
So we're together in the kitchen, sitting around the table.
The phones are still an issue. Yes, are you a TikToker?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love TikTok?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Are you a TikTok addict?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah? Yes, both TikTok and reels on Instagram. I love it.
I definitely watch it way more than regular TV or
streaming or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Like if we pulled up your phone and pulled up
your hours on social, like what would it show.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, it's also I don't really use a computer, so
it's also where.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I see I make that excuse to do.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So it's where I do everything, like as far as
I do all my own research and stuff for Juicy
Scoop and now I do Juicy Crimes, which is every Wednesday,
So I am like working on it all the time.
If I wake up at three in the morning, which
you do at this age, if I want to go,
I won't turn on the TV. I'll just go on
that for like a half hour and just like look
(10:02):
at stuff. Do you have tattoos? You have tattoos?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Right, I have tattoos. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
How did she feel about when you started getting tattoos? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, I didn't tell her about my first tattoo. I
was in my first apartment and I had just gotten
my boobs done. She came over to take care of me,
and I was so like, kind of loopy out of
it that I was just in bed and she looked
down and she goes on my ankle. It was a rose.
It was a stupid one that like one of my
first bad boyfriends, Like I was like, we're gonna get tattoos,
(10:39):
and then I'm like I don't want to get a tattoo,
and he's like, oh, of course you're not, and you'd
puss out. I'm like, fucking put that tattoo on. It's
still there. But I was laying in bed and she'd
look down, she goes, what's that? And then you have
to play it off? And I was like my tattoo, mom,
you know what's there? And she was like, oh, we
never spoke about it again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh really, she never said slow it down or stuff
getting tats. Nope. No, it's a really hard thing to say.
I mean I used when my kids were little, I'd
be like, well, I said, remember when you were into
Dora the Explorer. I'm like, well, now, imagine this when
they're like ten. Now, imagine you're at a pool party
after baseball practice and you take off your shirt and
(11:20):
there's a big Dora and you know, boots and the
creepy map and it's all on your back and everyone's like,
why do you have Dora the Explore on your back?
Like you're ten? Weirdo. I go, that's kind of what
it can be like, you know, so you want to
be really careful about it. But you know, then it
became right now it's like such a fashionable thing, and
(11:41):
so I'm kind of like with my stepdaughter, who I'm
very close to, I'm like, you know what I said,
my piece of like, you really want to think about it,
but at the same time, it's your body. You're twenty
you know, you're twenty five and all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But has she gotten ones?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh, yeah, she has, she has some.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Have you gotten ones together?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah? I mean it just kind of it was like
all happened within like a year of getting a lot
of them, and.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, you have tattoos?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, she I don't have any. My stepdaughter does.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Would you get them together? Would you get one?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I thought could get all of them at the same time,
not at like, I don't think the same day.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Let me be clear. Would you get a matching tattoo
with her?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna at this point.
I don't feel there's tattoos that I find. I find
they're like the tattoos that are like cool and attractive
and special, like when people get stuff written like right
here or you know, like there's there's I think it's
sexy on guys. I do like certain guys. I do
think it works. Like I'm not like dead against it.
(12:48):
I just feel like at this point I would I
have no desire to and I don't you know, but
I mean a lot of people get removed and it
is a big, long, expensive process, So I think people
should rethink it, and I think there's going to be
a trend. I like to product trends where it's going
(13:11):
to be and people are going to get mad. I
do think it's going to be like five or ten
years from like no one's going to get them like
it's not it's not going to be in and it's
going to be like like I feel like Sabrina Carpenter
not having any is kind of interesting, and if she
has any, she has very few compared to like a
Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Okay, well, I feel like this is a strange, like I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Going to get people hating me that I don't like
love tattoos.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You don't love tattoos. Why, I don't know. I think
they hate you for far other reasons.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't know, But I wish I would have said
like my kids, I would I would tell them things
and they seem to accept it, which I was like,
you know, don't have kids, tell you're thirty, don't have kids,
tell you're thirty, just you know, get or close to thirty,
Like just get closer to thirty before you ever have kids.
And right now my kids are twenty five and twenty
(14:08):
twenty one and in nineteen, so thank god no one's
had kids. But I wonder if I should have said
that like, don't get a tattoo till you're over twenty
five or something, because then you're kind of like a
little more mature and you're not doing it because everybody's
like going and you know, you're not like in that
like stage of just like I don't feel like it's
(14:28):
kind of an exciting I feel like it's a conversation
starter too, So I think people kind of like it
for that reason because it's so hard to start talking
to people the same way as you'd go to like
a dog park and what kind of dog you have, Like,
I feel like you can always go up to someone
and say, ooh, I really like that tattoo.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think it's kind of good for like, yeah, I
always say that because I think, yeah, like I try
to fit in though I don't say tattoo, I'm like,
I like your artwork, and then they're like ooh, you know,
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, it's a great conversation. It makes you cool.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And so neither of your boys have tattoos.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, No, My one son has two little earrings that
he got like in London right before freshman year of college,
and you know, I'm hoping he wouldn't. My other one
I don't think would ever. I just don't think it's
like his style. But who knows. I'm sure there'll be
(15:20):
some way. There is a way that you do the
temporary one that like goes away in six months. So
I'm sure there's going to be something also in the
future that is more like that where it lasts like
two years, you know, or something. They're probably perfecting it
now because I do think it's like a cool, fun thing,
and I do think it can like compliment an outfit
or a look or go with style or you know.
(15:42):
I think it's kind of a cool thing.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Like really high end fake ones. Now, yeah, my dad,
My dad had.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
One on no, a real one. After he got out
of the Marines. He had USMC like right here. And
then he said, when he was in the corporate world
being the mad men, you know, it was seen like
the only people that had that were kind of like,
you know, not white collar people like trash whatever. So
(16:09):
he was like, got a barbecue or something, he'd put
a band aid on it. And then he said, and
then one day I said, what the fuck am I doing.
I'm proud to be a marine. I've fought in a
war like I'm never hiding this and then that was it.
We always thought it was kind of cool. I love
that story.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah wait, so okay, so safe to say you're probably
never getting a tattoo. It's a word to get a tattoo.
What would it be?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I always remember a friend of mine saying, don't
ever put someone's name on your body that isn't already
in heaven, because someone who's passed will never disappoint you
or break up with your whatever. So I think that's
a good rule, like, you know, as far as that,
so you know that would be the only thing. But
(16:59):
I'm and I've had, you know, both my parents passed
and stuff. I just I don't feel like a draw
to it. I just don't feel like I just don't
think that that is what my life at this age
like is going to lead me too. Like I was
just and now they have like a gifting suitets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They were like parties.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Now I have like good tattoo people. So I could
see the temptation if you already had a few, to
get a little hard or to get a significant number
or something at a party, because you're like, who cares
already have seven? So I understand like the appeal for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Now they have the freckle tattoo that everyone's getting.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
What's that? Just a freckle?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Just a dog sometimes the freckles, just a freckle. It's yeah,
it's literally like a brown colored tattoo and makes a
little freckled. You can get like a freckle with your friend. Okay,
I don't know. So my soon to be ex has
my name and face everywhere on him.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now, what did you think when he came home with
the face one? Is that like flattering or is that
kind of weird?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well? There is it? When he got it, it's on
the back of his arm. Okay, what is this called
back of your bicep?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, okay, I was there, and well I had always
been taught never put someone you're dating their name on
you because you'll break up. And a previous boyfriend had
put my nickname on him and we did break up.
So I was like, I'm never doing it. And then
(18:26):
when I got together with Dean, I didn't want him
to do it because I was like, oh my god,
I'm superstitious we're going to break up. So then he
just went straight into my face and I'm like whoof.
So it was a good picture and the tattoo artist
did a phenomenal job. I always felt like I was
looking at myself though, Like it was like I was
always like wink wink, there I am, and like my
(18:48):
I'm in a bra, so it's kind of like my
boobs are there too. So I was like, is it borderline?
Kind of trashy as opposed to like chic. But now
when I look at it, I'm like, God, I was
so young there, Like I want to take him with
me to the dermatologist if I ever get anything done
(19:08):
or a plastic surgeon, if I ever get anything done
in my face, and just take that his arm and
show my face and be like, make me look like
that again, because I was like flawless haut too.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah that's good.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah yeah, but he I was the most surprised though,
when he came home from he was filming in Canada.
He came home and he had my main tattooed above
his privates, like right above yeah, oh it said tories
no arrow down or anything, Just like, how would that
(19:45):
make you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Remember when girls would get this is real trashy, When
girls would get like all on their tramp stamp like
right property of yeah, yeah, especially because he like didn't
ask for it. It's just it's kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Wait, So if Leeter came home You've been working for
like three four months away from you and the kids,
and he came home and getting a little like sexy time,
pops his pants open and says, look and you saw
that he saw it? Stries would you be pissed? And
I'm just going, there's what would what would be the
(20:24):
first thing that would come through to come to your mind?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, first I would think it was fake, you know,
like a joke, and then if it really was, I
would be like, I have to do the story behind it.
A why didn't you film it for like content or something?
I would have died to have gone? How much did
it hurt? And I'm very flattered, But don't get anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I don't scroll TikTok.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well you're missing out, but it is addictive, So if
you're not doing it, it's probably good. You're probably sleeping
better without it now.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I do Instagram. I don't know. I've not gotten into
TikTok because my kids are so into it and I'm
like I have to be the parent, Like it's rotting
your brain. And then I'm like, I don't want to
be like, but I'm doing it. So it's like I.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Phone away and I looked at what he was watching,
like on his for you page, and I was so
pleasantly surprised, like, because that says a lot about somebody
with there if you go to their four you page.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Wait, did you see that Rachel Zoe is going to
be on Real Housewives? Did you already know this?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, I knew it, and I recently on Thursday, I
went to Kathy Hilton's house for a party for Nikki
Hilton's new jewelry line, and they were filing for the show,
so they were all there and they all looked great.
She looked gorgeous. I mean, I like her style. Do
you know Rachel I? I, well, I was obsessed with
(21:44):
the show and with the Rachel Zoe project and loved
back of my Chelsea Lately days. We did a very
funny sketch where I was Rachel Zoe and this other
guy was Brad and then remember Taylor, like Taylor with
her bed with Jen Kirkman, and then Chewie was like
our client, our celebrity client. So then it was a
(22:05):
lot of like me with the glasses being like I'd
die let tree, you know, all that kind of stuff.
So it was cute. So then I think she saw it.
So then like I met her and she's like, oh,
I love it. And then for a minute she had
a podcast with the husband now so e and so
either she was on mine or I was on hers
during like COVID time and we did a zoom and
(22:29):
I got to hear her whole story of like how
they met in college and their like love affair and partnership,
which I thought was really really interesting. So you know,
it's sad that they're broke it up, and I guess
that gets revealed in the show. She kind of shares
about it. Oh okay, And I don't think it's a
secret that there is. I think there was you know,
(22:50):
other women or something or I don't know. So that
was kind of surprising. And then but yeah, we'll see,
like we'll see how it works. I think it's like
interesting with someone like her that had her own reality
show then comes on to a place that's like where
(23:11):
now in this day and age, when you're on it,
you're like really like encouraged to like bring it like
you know, every every instant that you have with someone
that you know they're five minutes late or whatever you're
supposed to be like, And I just think for other
for some women, like they're just not going to play
(23:31):
that game. So I don't know how much action it
they'll be as far as like that kind of stuff.
I feel like I don't need it, Like when it's
Beverly Hills and it's beautiful homes and it's places I like,
and it's women that I like just I mean agree,
just watching them like Erica Jane. I love that she
is like a real girls girl now and gives some
(23:54):
great advice and like I saw her and I said,
I love that you're dating the Shrek guy that goes
by Shruck, who's like this Navy seal. She's dating this
like former Navy seals, like high security, private security guy,
and and I go, you're still dating When she said yes,
and I go, I love that for you, And she's like,
why why do you love it for me? Like she
(24:14):
was like giddy, like it was I don't know, I
just happy for you, Like I'm just happy that like
that's kind of behind you and you're like doing so well.
She looked gorgeous. Ky looked gorgeous. They all look good.
There's two new girls who.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There's two new girls I heard you who.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Though I don't know who they are besides Rachel's. Oh,
there's two girls that were like filming with them that
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Friends you think are like main cast.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think one is a main cast and one's like
a friend.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Of and you didn't recognize them or you just can't say.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, I didn't recognize them at all, So I think
they're not They're not actresses, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
So I used to be obsessed with Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills and New York. Those were my two that
I always faithfully I have watched every single season. And
I kind of took a little break from Beverly Hills
like in the last two years, and maybe with what
I was going through, I didn't really have time to
watch and didn't focus on it. But I'm gonna totally
(25:20):
watch the season because, yeah, I've known Rachel though since
since she met Roger, Like I think I've known her
since we were like eighteen, So their like love story
and they were always so great. So I was always
such a champion of them, but I don't know how
(25:40):
she'll fit in because I'm knowing Rachel for so long.
I've never seen her as that girl that engages in
hardcore fights. Not that she plant does it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But does anybody does anybody our age on them? Like
does anybody really need to? Like I mean, if you
if you were like at a party. I've been in
groups where I'm like, I just don't think that chick
like digs me that much. But I don't like go
after her at the next party.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And scream and like, yeah I would, I would never.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I get triggered when like an like a woman that's
even just like a few years older than I am,
like tries to correct me. I feel like, oh, are
you the head of the English department at Louisville High School?
Like leave me the.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Fuck alone, Like I just literally where you went. We
talked about this and I went to westle like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And it's just like triggering, cause it's like that's that
like know it all quote unquote Karen, though I do
think Karen's can you know have gotten about rap? But
I'm like, I just feel like, like recently I was
playing pick a ball and this woman was like talking
to us about something and I'm like, wait, what what's
the rule? And then and then we started like off
(26:50):
still like talking to us, and I finally just said,
can we just have our fun? Like I work, this
is my one hour to do this. We're not doing
anything like it was just something about it like really
like triggered me, like stop being like such a know
it all or like whenever when people do. And I've
always felt like this since I was like twenty five.
If somehow like an older woman. I don't know why
(27:13):
it bothers me more for the woman than a man,
but like correct, like it's like like something about like
me doing something on the road, I'm just like fucking
shut up. I'm old, Like I'm old too, Like why
are you telling me what to do? Like leave me alone?
Like I just don't like anything like that. And I
never you know, being like I always say, sometimes being
(27:35):
a little bit famous prevents you from being the bit
you sometimes deserve to be when you're getting poor service.
I do believe sometimes you can be irritated. You can
say I don't appreciate this, like you know, but I
will never like I literally said, someone could shit in
my Chinese sugar sud. I will still leave twenty five
percent because I'm always like, oh my god, someone's going
(27:57):
to do a TikTok that I didn't leave a good
tip and like I don't need it, and so I
was like, if something sucks, I'm just like, all right,
I won't be back here again. But sometimes I'm like
that's ridiculous, like this wasn't good, or or the fact
that like every security guard is just on their cell phone.
I'm like, you're supposed to be protecting the school. Like
why you don't need to be on your phone while
(28:17):
you're working. You don't need to be on your phone
while you're bagging groceries. Yeah, but when you think about it,
when we were like working, we would go and like
check messages. We weren't constantly like like that's that's pleasure
that shouldn't be during work hours.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Sorry, Oh my god, remember why you had to go
to the payphone to check your pager?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh the voice and tech boy, Yeah that was exciting.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, it was. Yeah, give you a little something to
look forward to. Yeah, well I don't do that in
restaurants only because well, one, yes, I would be fearful
people wouldn't think I was overtly nice. Yeah, sickening sweet,
But also I wouldn't. I feared the like spit in
my food or something. Oh, I can never send it
(29:01):
back ever. No, that's not being nice, that's just being
terrified they'll spit in it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If something really is like beyond bad, I will just say, hey,
this just wasn't I think something whatever, I'm just stop
feeling this, and then they'll be like, do you want
something else? And I'm like no, all the same, no, no,
but like, hey, witig, I would like to take it off.
It sucked like and usually they take it off, but yeah,
(29:29):
usually they'll take it off something is really not good, like,
and it's so rare that it happens. It's so rare
that it's like it's like something's like terribly you know,
undercooked or overcooked or something like that that I'm just like,
this wasn't right edible. Yeah, but it's very rare that
I would ever do that.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
But do you hate when you don't like it? But
they just keep coming back to see how much of
it you're eating and they ask you fifty million times
like is everything okay with it? And you're like, and
I always am just like I'm just a slow eater,
which is probably true to it, Yeah, because I'm talking
and I forget to eat, and then they keep coming back,
keep coming back, sometimes to the point where I'm like,
(30:06):
I don't even want it anymore. But yeah, can I
ask you about your upcoming show in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes? So it is on the Friday Bravo Con weekend.
And I've done this for the last uh two other
Bravo cons. One was in New York and the other
one was Vegas. And so I love doing like a
live juicy scoop, which is I have Brady Julie her
on my show all the time, and we're gonna, you know,
talk about the housewise we have like all I have
(30:41):
all this fun like nostalgia and hilarious, but it's also
gonna be really snarky because I don't get paid by Bravo.
I I you know, so I don't care, and I
feel like I'm the og of talking about housewives. So
it's like I have scoop I'm saving and it'll be
fun and it's it will be most that more than anything.
It'll be hilarious and impressions and stuff like that. And
(31:04):
it was great because it kind of is the start
of Bravo Con and having gone there a few times,
I have told people like, you might want to just
do one day of it. It's a lot to be
like walking around the convention center and stuff. So I'm like,
you want to, like, come on my show Friday night,
you know, have a great show, do like all day Saturday,
(31:27):
and then like chill and do brunch and relax and
maybe do a spot with a girlfriend on Sunday and
then go home like that. I kind of think is
the greatest. But if you have all three days, then
you can do a little every day. But I don't
know how hard it is to get these tickets right now.
I don't know what's going on with them getting the
actual Bravo Cone tickets. But there's so much else going
on too that even if you didn't have tickets to
the convention, you could, you know, enjoy my show and
(31:50):
have like a fun Vegas. We can just get like
great meals and still probably see the housewives walking around.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I've always wanted to go to one, but it seems exhausting.
It really is, but it looks great on my social media.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It really it really want.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
To come to your show, but it is it is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Really it is really fun too, because it's just kind
of like if you're you know, you're up on the
Bravo stuff, it's funny. There's people that like like any
kind of like comic con. There's people that like dress
up and do like funny stuff, and there's so much
content and everything, and you know, uh, the housewives are
great and it's fun to see them and they do
gorgeous things, but not as much juice as like being
(32:29):
dropped right, because I think they're all like now they
know that anything that gets said at Bravocon where they
kind of lead you to a starky place, then their
friend will be mad at them and then that goes
to the whole. So I feel like the last Bravo
Con was like definitely less like juicy shit, but still fun,
(32:50):
still fun.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I still think it's really fun for the audience to
like see them up there, and you know, but like
I remember, like Lisa Renna came out at that time,
she was like the and she was booed and it's
just like I talk about this on my last Juicy
scoop at the where I talk about what's going on
in Real house is both to see. I'm like, it's
just a bummer that, like the talent has to hear
(33:14):
all the hate that happens because of some dumb storyline
that was edited not in their favor.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, and you have to have.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Social media in this world, and it's so it's really impossible.
I don't care how thick your skin is when you're
opening up her phone and after every post you put
is just nasty shit, or the people you follow are
writing nasty stuff about you. I'm like, if I had
a friend that said I want to do Real Housewives,
what do you think, Heather? I would say, if you
(33:45):
have any extra money in your budget, don't be spending
it on hair and makeup, learn to do your own lashes.
Don't don't do that because that's very expensive. Spend it
on someone that will like literally take your phone from
you or limit or somehow conduct your Instagram so that
you don't see all the awful shit. Like, let's go
(34:08):
back to the days of like, you know, when you're
when your dad was running Hollywood and publicists would just
go here, Elizabeth Taylor, here's some beautiful fan letters. Everyone's
loving your new movie. And here's sign this and like
you go on and like maybe Roger and Ebert didn't
like your movie, those two fat like fucks, But like
it's not everybody picking apart every little thing about you.
(34:31):
It's so hard, right, It's really hard. I don't think
people realize, you know, that it is difficult. And as
someone that talks about it, I always try to explain
it and talk about it and like be fun with
it too, but not to make it about somebody's looks
and not to you know, I never say I want
(34:51):
someone fired. I never say that. I'll say this is
what this person needs to do, or this this this
is what would be juicy if they did this, or
this is what I want to see next season. Like
I just try to and I still think you can
be entertaining like that, but I think there's so many
people doing it, and there's so many voices, And then
everybody in the comments is either jealous of the housewife
(35:12):
that they're not a housewife, or they're mad at the
people that are making a livy talking about it because
they're like, I'm a fan, I should be doing this,
you know. And then the rest of the people that
aren't commenting do like the show but though they're not
bothering commenting, so it's only negative stuff really, right, People
that are happy with the show are not like, let
me go on Instagram and write, you know what, girls,
(35:34):
what a great episode. I really loved everything you were wearing.
Really thought this was you know, that's more rare. So
it's like, I don't know. I know that in Australia
they do take social media away from the reality areas.
Why they're like under contract. It's like part of the deal,
which I can see why someone would want that because
(35:56):
it's like you're supposed to be building your authenty. You know,
you need to be authentic, so you need to be
on it. I don't know, there's got to be a
happy medium where you could almost like, like I said,
hire someone that kind of like only shows you the
stuff that's necessary and you still like put out videos
and they maybe post them for them or I don't know.
But also there's not a lot of people that I
think are qualified to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I thought my life was chaotic, but you just blew
my brain.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, I know. They were always like anxiety they talking
to you about Real Housewives in the Oh. People just
wanted it. People thought it or wanted it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It really like riles me up too, Not that I
would do it inevitably, but it riles me up that
year after year there's some like press thing that I'm
going to join the cast, not in a couple of years,
but there was before and then they've never asked me once. Yeah,
I'm like, what the fuck's wrong with me? Like people
(36:55):
were like you were the o G Beverly Hills, and
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But see, the shows are not going to go away,
so you just never know. You never know there might
be a time when your kids are older and something
like that does make sense. Like I always think I
wouldn't want to do it when people have said, oh,
would you ever do it? Just because I was friends
with them and stuff, and I said, I said no,
(37:20):
But now that all my kids are grown, you would
do it. If they asked me, I would be open
to it because I'm just like it would be even
they asked you. I think I'm too inside baseball, like
I know too much about it. I'm too much you
know what I mean. It wouldn't feel at the time
time that I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Why wouldn't they really ask me?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think that they that's what I'm saying. I think
they could, and then you would just have to do
it at a time in your life where you're like,
I don't I would not want to put my kids
on display while they're growing up me personally, now that
they're grown and they don't. They wouldn't care, and they
wouldn't have to be a part of it unless they
want it to be. I think that's where it's like
a challenge, you know, like you know, or when your
(38:00):
kid is two and it's fine, and now they're ten
and you're talking about some weird mental issue they're having
because it is your life and it is stressing you out.
But then are you kind of violating your child's privacy.
I think it's such a hard thing. But now this
has been your livelihood for ten years, so you're not
about to give it up. But they're like, you have
to talk about your life, this is what you're going through,
(38:21):
and you're like, yeah, but it's my ten year old
kid who has an eating disorder. Like Emily's talking about
her kid and a lot of people are criticizing her
for that, and I'm like, but I can imagine the
conversation that she's having with a producer being like, but
look by by shedding light on this, you'll be so
helpful to so many people, and you know, and maybe
(38:42):
your kid will thank you later. Like, I don't know.
It's a tricky thing, but it's it's like you damned
if you do, damned if you don't. If you hide
a part of your life, then everyone's like, you didn't
share about your da da da da. So it's like
and then you share about it, and they're like, what
a thirsty bitch for exposing your child? When I think,
I think a reality show personality that isn't doing it
(39:04):
like you did it, like when you had your own show, Yeah,
Torry and Dean, where you, you know, obviously had some
control over it. Yeah, Like I think when you don't
have any control of how you're going to be edited,
what they're going to say, it's it's nicer because it's
not all on your shoulders the way it was like
for you. You're an ensemble piece and you could have
some fun with it, but you also have no control
(39:26):
and how it could be perceived or what. And you
can do as many podcasts as you want and shot
from the highest mountain that like, I didn't say this.
I didn't lie. I didn't. But at a certain point
then you just are like, well, just let this die down,
like just let it die down until you know I
can come back and reinvent myself. Like I don't know,
it's a lot. I feel bad because I do. You know.
(39:49):
I am friends with some of them throughout the years
that they've been on my show, and I see that, like,
you know, when they're not the favorite, what it can be.
And then it's like the supposed to show up bravokhon
and possibly be booed when they come on stage, like
like already that's so weird. Like I always I kind
of think like Bravocon did sort of change really change
(40:10):
the landscape of Housewives where we were just peeking into
someone's life that was relatable to now they're walking out
and they're like, I'm a rock star, I'm I'm a
movie star.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
You're right, and you're like, cause I watched like the
show see from the beginning, and it was like a
peek into a neighborhood and like oh yeah, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean I have to say, and I know someone's
gonna be like you know, but I'm telling you. I
was like the first person to have a live, juicy
scoop and have housewives be guests. When I was doing it,
they were so nervous. They were so scared. They were
not actors, they were not people that have done speeches.
They were like they didn't have podcasts. They didn't And
I was like, no, no, it will be fun, come on,
And they did love it. And when I started to
(40:52):
do it then they were like, oh, we don't want
you know, then they kind of realized, wait, we could
do this ourselves, like we could have a big thing.
And and the Bravo con is a brilliant thing of
just getting a bunch of people together that love that
stuff and like have it be like their Super Bowl
or whatever. But now it's like, yeah, now it's like
(41:13):
there's no way to put the toothpaste back in the bottle.
Like I was watching all these old Real Housewife ones
because of this what's going on in Real Housewife OC
right now with like them going back to like this
naked wasted episode of like seventeen years ago. So then
I started to like watch it and it was just
it was just so different, and it really was entert
(41:35):
haty because you really were just like watching someone's life
that was kind of boring. And actually the women weren't rich.
They weren't like now they're always like no, I know,
oh my god, we want to see real wealth. I'm
like not until how the debro came on, what did
anyone have? Like yeah, oc is an expensive place to live,
but they're living in like stucco track houses, like they
had a tiny backyard. It's like they were not their houses,
(41:58):
you know, were like whatever. For the time, it wasn't
And then they weren't making a lot off the show,
so it wasn't like changing them at all. And they
really and because of there was no internet there was internet,
because there's no social media and podcasters and stuff. They
were like going to the right they were going to stores,
and it wasn't like they were recognizable. They had very
(42:18):
few like star moments, like unless they were like going
to do like a daytime shop show, which was pretty rare.
They would just film and then it would be over
with and then they'd film and like you know, so,
and then it became such a bigger thing that now
when someone gets hired, it's like I've got to have
a team, I've got to have hair and makeup, I've
got to, you know, get a podcast. I've got to
(42:39):
have my Instagram going what are my eight outfits for
Bravo con Like, it's a totally different thing than what
it was of like, oh, you have an interesting life,
you know, would you want the shore?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, well you're good at predicting trends, So what will
the next trend.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Be for reality TV? You know what? I can honestly say,
I don't. I really don't know. I don't. I know,
I don't know where it's gonna go. Maybe Kate Casey
was saying it's a friend of mine. She's like, the
only way I think it could kind of like and
I thought this kind of a brilliant idea is like
(43:18):
if you took the cast that people know and are
familiar with, because everyone's like, what's the storyline? What's the storyline?
That's a bad storyline. You're faking a storyline. You got
a blogger story. Why don't we just fuck the storylines
and like have them have like what this is case
I do you have like little challenges like within the group,
like your friend, Like if we were on it together, Okay,
(43:40):
it would be like Okay, I'm gonna find you three
real men that you're gonna go on a date with.
They're not gonna be from this girl's casting rolodex. I'm
really going to go out and ask a friend of
my husband's, would you just go and let the cameras
go on and just like be a normal dude that
goes on a date, and let's see if any of
these like last and and because we're friends, like we'd
(44:04):
really see that and it would feel less produced and
it would really be like a fun thing. And then
for somebody else, can.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
We do that in real life? Yeah, that would help
me out here.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, So I don't know. I think it could be more.
Let's do something that's like shows your personality, because we
do grow to know these women, and I don't know
about like, you know, always bringing in new people, Like
I think the reboot of New York did not work
having all new people that we didn't know. It just
didn't work. So I think we want the new people,
(44:34):
but we have to have them be doing other things.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And they're so good at the Mormon Housewives.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I do. I did watch them a little. I did
watch them. I didn't really watch the second season as much,
but I think it's brilliant, Like I think it's I think.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
These two of them should be on Dancing with the
Stars this season.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I think that's kind of good because then it's like
it is a huge audience. They're kind of have them
like fighting against each other.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
And now they seem to get along, and I'm not
as interested.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You've been on it, right, yes, last season and had
way Where did you come in it? Did you come.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Eliminate a first double elimination any and I yes?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And were you sad about it or were you relieved?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I'm still pissed.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Oh really yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
No, I was really really sad because it took a
lot for me to do that and I was had
terrible performance anxiety and just not physical and five kids
and a lot of injuries and didn't know how to
dance at all. And I finally got my confidence boosted
and I went out there and believed in myself and
(45:44):
then I was gone. And I'm like, wompo, wait have
you been on No? Why do you say it like that?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think something would happen best lens in the business, like.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oho, Nos, I would do it. I would do it.
I have a whole plan of how I would succeed
a secret planned I don't want to tell on the show, okay,
but how I think I could do better at it.
But I know it is physically really hard, and I'm
not you know, I like to dance, but like I
(46:16):
get out of breath from dancing. I'm not an athlete,
so I do think physically, and especially as you get older,
it's a huge challenge. Though everyone's body gets snatched and
looks great, but like, how do you prevent getting like
callouses and stuff and those little character shoes.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
You don't you don't, And it's kind of one of
those things where I guess it could look easier when
you watch it on TV because the pros make it
look they make everyone look great on different levels, but
it's still like everyone looks great. And also when you started,
like you think like, oh, you know, it doesn't have
(46:55):
to be that huge of a time commitment. But for
me personally, like when I went into the studio the
first day to start the rehearsals, I was in well,
I'm also very competitive, so I wasn't gonna let myself down.
I wasn't gonna let my partner down. I wasn't gonna
let the show down, and I yeah, and the training
(47:16):
is in and like, never did anything like that in
my entire life. But it's such like it's hardcore moves
that your body isn't used to, Like I can go
in free form dance anywhere. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Question, So, how does it work? Do you get paid
a flat amount and then you get think you get
to stay on or do you get.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's favorite nations, most favorite nations, so everyone gets the same,
no one gets more, no one gets less, but you
do you get one payment, okay that everyone gets. And
then I believe, don't quote me on this, that each
week you stay on you make more.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yes, that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
But then I think if you make it to the finals,
you make a little even more, right, and then if
you win when I wouldn't know because I got photo
off first.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, everybody, Juicy Scoop is Tuesdays and Thursdays and on Wednesdays.
Now I'm doing juicy crimes, so I'll do a different
crime every Wednesday with different experts. But it's all crimes
that are juicy. So they're like grifter crimes, crimes of passion,
you know, stuff that we like, I can't believe this
person did this kind of a crime. So everything's there,
(48:33):
and have the McDonald dot net for if you want
to buy tickets to the Bravo Kon Show, which is
November fourteenth. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Wait one last question, sorry, are you crime obsessed? Is
that why or it's just not?
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yes, I always have. I always have been, and I
you know, I love all the docks and everything. I'm
bummed that it's rare that I start a doc and
I don't know how it ends because I do know
every crime. But so I have my favorite ones. Betty
Broaderick will always be one of my favorite ones. It
(49:05):
is the mother you know the story of Betty Broderick.
Oh yeah, yeah, She's one of my favorite ones. And
then you know, and then there's new ones. I'm not
really I'm not into like serial killers, Like I'm not
into like gory stuff. I'm into people that have led
somewhat exemplatory normal lives that then go off the deep
(49:25):
end because they fucked their dentists and wanted to be
with the dentist and like, I can't you know, and
now they're like this person that's you know, standing trial
for hiring their boyfriend to kill their husband. Those are
the kinds of things. Those are the kind of crimes
I love, or like something that involves you know, Hollywood
or like something like more like that type of stuff.
(49:47):
So those are the crimes that I get into marriage
and crimes of passion and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Nice, like your TV. If you turn on your TV,
smart TV just knows you. It's all that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yes, they know that. I like that and yeah and
how yeah awesome. Hopefully a housewife murder will never happen,
but like, yeah, I always think that could be, Like
that could be a really great scripted movie that has
a real housewives backdrop that involves a murder.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
The housewife murders. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Well, oh god, I love that. You're an idea person.
You're so sexy.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Okay, okay, I love you. Thank you. It's so fun. Okay,
I'll talk to you soon. Bye,
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