July 18, 2023 • 34 mins
As Jennie and Tori began discussing the season 4 finale, it took them back in time to 1994.
During the taping of this podcast episode, Jennie and Tori found themselves stunned as they realized this was Shannen Doherty’s final appearance ever as Brenda Walsh.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nine O gen one Elegien with Jenny Garth and
Tory Spelling. We're talking about season four, episode thirty one,
mission Mister Wall Goes to Washington, Part one, aired May
twenty fifth, nineteen ninty four, May twenty fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
So okay, so this is the two part finale and
this is part one, part.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
One, so when it aired, it aired all in one night, obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Synopsis. Brenda gets an offer she can't refuse. Kelly comes
to terms with her feelings for Brandon, Steve sees Celeste
with her Steve. Steve sees Celeste with his art enemy
Dylan Here's wedding bells, while Kevin sees dollar signs and
Donna sees there's something going on between David and Ariel.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, I wanted to go to them to break this
down because there's so many different avenues. Which avenue SHO
would go down first?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Because the path of Last Resistance?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How much I wanted to go to that carnival thing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh I remember where that was? Should I start that?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That was the longest carnival ever of carnivals.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, so somebody needs to check me when this filmed.
But here's what I remember I saw, I didn't remember,
and then the scene with me and Shannon and Celeste,
I was like, it took me right back there. And
I believe, unless I'm totally wrong, it was the Malibu
Chili Cookoff, which is Labor Day weekend, and I believe
(01:37):
they let us come in early, so I think we
possibly filmed that Friday when it starts, and we filmed
early in the day and it was so hot and
then it got night.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But then here's my question, how would you have shot
that in September for May?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm not sure, so somebody checked me because I'm probably wrong,
but I feel like that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Like that it was pretty cool though, what a great
carnival looked fun, It looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It reminded me of Greece, you know at the end
of Greece when they're.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Like the.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I did it in the same space and they just
recreated it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Could I love the opening of the way they showed
the two worlds of the kids at the carnival and
then they would cut to the seriousness of Andrea being
in the hospital. Ever, yeah, I love that. I thought
it was cool. Can you believe the baby was only
two pounds? Eight ounces. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like what you're saying, Jenny, how we've got like
frivolity at the fair and everyone's having a good time,
and then we're going back to like probably one of
the most serious things that's happened in the series. Like
that's not that's very serious.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What ee yeah, maybe somehow feel like suspenseful.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It makes me feel like bad for like being like, oh,
super excited by the carnival like teens, and then like oh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the Carnival's so colorful and the hospital's so gray
that you're like.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, it's interesting. It was an interesting juxta position. Yes
about that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, it was my friend and nineteen ninety four. It
was pretty clever for back then. We were pretty straightforward
back then. Nowadays you would be like, oh, the color schemes,
the shifts and mood, like you would acpect it.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It was good. I don't know, but I liked it
when Kelly bread Carnival in the beginning able to say,
remember when Kelly said Dylan and he says, you got
a problem kill and she said not anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Ooh, I love burn You're delivery. It was just so
good because that's like one of those lines that just
like burn burn line.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
How many to one again?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, we're jump we're jumping out of order, but we
get the big review that Kelly has feelings for Brandon.
It comes too fast, like I didn't see get a
way for you to say it. Sorry, I'm ready for
I'm like, I love it, but I can't do fast
for me. Oh that's interesting. So you think in this
(04:17):
episode or like in her life, I.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Think just in a story to telling, I just got
that story. Sorry, whoa delay? I think in the storytelling
it has to be, isn't it. You know, we didn't
see the character get there, so I didn't feel like
it was just off, like they woke up in bed together.
I was like, wait, what did I miss?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That? Actually was a huge disappointment for me. I just
didn't want to see I want to see that, but
as a fangirl, I just want to see every second
that you can show me on screen of the to
building and falling in love and.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Getting together like young love.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, because they're so cute together, like she makes him
a little more mature, He makes her a little more vulnerable,
like he's stepping up becoming a man, and she can
like open her heart again. And be young and free,
and I love them together so much that it felt
like sex was just it felt like sex, and I
(05:24):
didn't want it to feel like sex.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So that's interesting what you're all talking about. Now, technically
we're only we haven't gotten there in this. If people
only watch the first half, they haven't seen it what
you know what talking about. But that's okay, that's okay.
People know that's okay. So I'm processing that what you're
saying in that you would have liked more build up
(05:47):
for this couple. And I actually think you're right, Like,
I guess you're right. Even when she reveals it to Andrea,
and I understood why she revealed and she's trying to like,
you know, not distract the strong word, but like just
help her get help ANDREI get through this. Yeah, it's
(06:09):
almost like she's she's been feeling it, but she didn't
let us in.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
On it, right, right, I feel like that was just
kind of a miss for the like the just the
defining of these two characters moving forward, Like you know,
it was the star of the show. Jason Brandon Walsh,
Like it's a big deal for him to go into
Now what's gonna I think become like a committed relationship
for a while until the point I can remember for
(06:33):
a little parts like the you know, the big thing
at the end, but.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like his first big relationship honestly.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, with like a legitimate term.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, And it's an aggressive betrayal to your best friend, meaning.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I know I wanted a little more, like I want to,
but I can't. I can't. We can't, we shan't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Because there is bro code, right, So I'm not like
one of those people that's like, does this used to
happen to us in college? Like if someone in the
sorority dated a certain boy in the fraternity, that boy
was off limits to one hundred girls, Like that's crazy, right,
But this is like way closer than that, right. It's
the same thing essentially that Kelly did to Brenda. Yeah,
(07:19):
it's like, is this appropriate to start dating your best
friend's very recent ex girlfriend, like by one very recent?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I just feel like between Dylan and Kelly, the thing
that really held their relationship together was like intense passion.
There was that fire we loved when they had that together.
And with Brandon it's a little more not sweet, I
don't want to say sweet, but there's longevity there, Like Brandon,
you almost immediately see these two together and you're like,
(07:52):
I think I want you guys to get married one day,
So I just would love them to a waited. That's all.
You could have done that scene and shock people without
them having had sex.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Right, Yeah, I think it was a miss.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But again, I mean I could have had a cliffhanger
of her just getting to the plane and then we
wait till season five to.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Just start showing up and him being like, yes, all
of that, but also one of our lead females like
we're not gonna we need like something bigger, explosive.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But well, they were worried about other things. I feel
like they were really in the throes of figuring out,
you know, how did what This is Brenda's last episode,
you guys, right, right, I should have left that, we
should have led with that. This is like I think
this is the last time. This is these two episodes
(08:51):
last time we ever see Brenda Walsh.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know, right, it's I hate it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't want it to have and especially you know,
seeing that she and Dylan and Brenda steps up, She's
that's aggressive for Brenda like to be like, give me
something to come home to her. Whatever she says, I
don't have it verbatim, but like, give me a reason
to come back, like I'm going to be back one.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Day and she never comes back.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Do you think they left it up in the air
that she would come back and hopefully they would resolve things,
and they wanted her to come back. I mean the
audience sure wanted it. We wanted it so it would
be weird.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I can only imagine that they were still hopeful at
this point that they might have been able to work
it out. I don't know that the line was drawn
in the sand.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I loved them together. See it again, Jen, I love
I love Brenda and Dylan together.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, I want more. I feel like we never got
enough of them, like they were the couple and now
watching back as fans for the first time for us,
I'm like, I thought it was a bigger thing, and
it really wasn't, so I would have loved to have
seen a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I feel that same way about Kelly and Dylan. I
don't think they ever got same enough.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I should have had two more.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Years time machine.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, well that's what I'm thinking about. It's like kind
of interesting is that because of the way we're binging
it essentially, I mean, I we're still watching it week
by week, so yeah, because in my mind, Brenda and
Dylan were much longer, and Kelly and Dylan were way
longer in my mind. Yeah, So I don't know if
(10:39):
it's because I had summers and years, you know what
I'm saying, Like it was longer in time.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy to think, like because we
are watching it week by week, like you said the
first time, Yeah, I care so much about these characters,
like that's how the fans felt, you know, and like you, guys,
I watched the two episodes of the other show something
(11:06):
about I'm Pretty now or oh the summary pretty the summary?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Love that show.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Everybody's loving it. Of course it's really good. I auditioned
for a Pardon It. I didn't get it, but anyway,
same you audition for Wild Dead mom Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I auditioned for the ant Susie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No way, you guys, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Why it's really good. Anyways, the fans I care about
Conrad and Jeremiah, Like, I've only watched one season.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So that makes me think about nine O two one
oh people, I don't remember, but people must have been
devastated that Shannon Do already left.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, that was That's a big blow.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like I feel like there were tears amongst fans for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think they yeah, and no wonder Tiffany. Like as fans,
I think you'd be a little bitter, like who is
this chick? I mean, I know we're not there yet,
but we will be in a week or two. When
Tiffany joins, it's like it's very hard to sort of replace.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean, like I can't imagine the show without her,
but we.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Were in the throes of it, so we didn't even
think of it that way. But like that is daunting,
Like as a young actress to come in, like I
would have been terrified. I wonder if she got backlash.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
She just she talked. There's I see a clip on
TikTok a lot of her talking about it with Howard
Stern and it's from years ago. But she's really just
tried to come and do her job. That's what she
said that she really just came and tried to do
her job. She talks about like, look, it would be hard.
You've got this close knit group of people and you're
like this new person. I was trying to think of
(13:09):
another show where they had to flip out a lead
and it worked. What other show like Spin City Michael J.
Fox left because of Parkinson's and Charlie Sheen came in,
like it was ever white the same And there are
other shows where like it happens on Law and Order
all the time, except you always have Mriushka. But like
(13:29):
when Chris Maloney left, that was like, I'm not sure
I fully.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Recovered what's the show with another Charlie Sheen?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Two and a half Men?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Two and a half men? When as.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah did work?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It always kind of works.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
That's never the same, right action, it's never the og.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean, I to one on we know goes six
more years, right, so she was gone longer. She was
gone on longer than she was on for the run
of the show, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Which is wild? The show went on longer than the
years she was on, right, But I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Think of a show where it really was better after
the replacement, like they go on and like nine O
two and oh did and we all debate like when
did it jump the shark? Which I don't think it
does for a few more years. But it's like, is
there ever been a show that improved when they lost
their lead?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm more like I definitely it worries me when we lose.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Dylan. I mean, yeah, tell me about it. That whole
thing you said about she was gone longer than she
was there made me really think, like so because anywhere
Shanon Doherty goes now she's you see her and you
think of Brenda Walsh, like world famous, these characters and
(15:01):
the actors have played them, meeting one of them. But
she made such an impression on so many people in
only four seasons of a show.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great point too, right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, Like that's something that she should just be so
proud of.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I think it's because the show became so big
in a sense, the show became bigger than the show,
you know what I mean, Like, yes, you all and
the characters became so big, even more than just like
one particular episode. It's why it's so interesting to me
(15:39):
that like whenever anyone thinks of nine O two and oh,
they only think of you all, even though there is
all these characters. I mean, I don't even think of Tiffany.
When I think of nine o two and oh, I
barely think of Kathleen and she was on for many years.
I never think of Lindsay. And I'm not digging on them, no,
but it's that.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like, it's that image that you have stuck in your
head that associates directly with that first season of the show,
and like the summer with the bathing suits that those people. Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That's a nice feeling though, that's home.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah. Do you guys remember how you were feeling or
was there so much sort of angst that it was
sort of like it wasn't as sad as much as
and I don't mean this in a mean way, where
it was sort of like a you could take a
sigh and go at least this will be easier for work.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I just remember moving at such lightning speed. Think of
how young we were, and.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It was like a whirlwind all the time.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We didn't even know the show was big and massive.
You know, we weren't technically, we weren't adults yet. We
you know, were navigating this adult world as best we
could off camera. And I think, looking back now, is
it's really impactful. I think I don't know about you, Jen,
But for me, I didn't know the mats like how
(16:57):
massive the show was until two thousand, when the show
ended after ten years and I was able to have
a life. And you know, we've talked many times like
baby birds being pushed out of your nest and then
we were like what are we doing this world? But
it wasn't until then I was able to take a
breath and look back and go, oh my god, look
what just happened the last ten years?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Did you guys have to have therapy in two thousand?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Like Jen and I talk all the time, that we needed.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's the best question I've ever been asked, by the
way and the way you asked it. Did you guys
have to have therapy after that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
We should have. We've had therapy for many other things,
not specifically.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That I've had therapy for. I mean because therapy, you
whatever therapy you're having, is directly related to the impact
that being that famous at that age in your life's circumstances.
So you are having therapy for that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I mean, I guess. Look, we're getting off tangent,
but we are going to do a part two, so
we will get into all the time Okay, this is
the stuff they liked. Yeah, I'm serious because we are
coming to the end of season four and it's such
a monumental thing with Shannon leaving the show. Like when
you look back on the ten years, like Jenny, you're
talking about therapy, you know, to sort of deal with
(18:14):
this ten years of your life, Like, what were the
sort of ramifications of all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm still paying for them.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, but I know you're kind of being funny toy,
but like I think you might be right, Like, don't
you think that this all of it you're still dealing
with today.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's interesting. It's set up a dynamic in my brain
to repress stuff going on that I sadly have carried
as a through line because we were going and so
many things that we weren't equipped to handle as young people,
and you just had to push it down and do
the work and keep going and represent yourself. But even
(18:57):
having that immense pressure at such a young age as
a team to be known that you're a role model
for millions of people that we were for women everywhere
and men, it was it was hard, and I think
just you just kept going and repressed it and repressed
it which set it up for a dynamic for other
(19:18):
things in your life and relationships to repress your feelings
and keep going.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
God, you're making me all teary eyed?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Do you disagree?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
No, I don't disagree. It's hard to agree with that,
but I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And it's just, you know, a lot of stuff. Life
is crazy, and I'm dealing with a lot of stuff.
You're dealing with a lot of stuff, and you're dealing
with a lot of stuff. Just like see how the
patterns play out over and over. You know that learned behavior?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, exactly, learned behavior atting on age And you know,
Jen and I are talking about it right now, but
you have to understand there were eight of us total
that went through it at the same time. We couldn't
have been the only ones, you know. I feel like
Gabrielle kind of got through it because she came into it,
I don't want to say older, but wiser, more mature,
(20:20):
more experience.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Maybe wasn't she married.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To or she got married while she was on the show.
But I think the rest of us, you know, for sure,
you know, anyone around our age, Brian Shannon, Jason Luke
like it set us up Ian.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, so okay, this is maybe an impossible question
to answer, But do you wish that if you're looking
back now, do you wish there was something you all
could have done to sort out the issue so that
Shannon stayed And would that have created a totally different
six more years and could you have done anything?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I wish that she Branda had stayed on the show, definitely,
But I don't know where they were going to go
with their character because I don't know what they were starting.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's a tough one. If yeah, I agree with Jen
if I'm going to answer as a fan, which is
how we go into this show right now rewatching, Yes,
I would have liked it have worked out, so Brenda
could have stayed being a part of seeing kind of
on the being in it and on the outside of
what was going on at the time. There probably needed
(21:33):
to be a break because there was just the energy.
You know, she wasn't happy. They weren't happy with everything,
like a lot of people weren't happy. I think it
affected everyone and therefore the energy became toxic onset. I'm
not saying she made it toxic, just from everything going on,
(21:55):
so it did need a break, But yes, if we
had taken a breather and every wanted calm down and
sorted out, it would have been really nice to have
friend to come back.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Do you ever wish that you could have done like
what the Friends cast did where it was like you
all were a group that negotiated everything together as a group,
and it was you all stayed and you're all in
it for the ten years, because they went ten years too.
If I believe all in it together and you would
have been one group negotiating, you probably could have made
(22:39):
more money negotiating as one group too. But also maybe
that support system where you weren't competing with each other
but you felt like you all had each other's backs. Now,
I don't know what would have happened, you know, because look,
obviously Jason leaves at one point two, and Luke leaves
and comes back, and gabrielle leaves, so people did leave.
(23:00):
I wonder if you all could have had it been
different where you could have done all ten together.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, I think that would have been amazing. I think
that would have been like that's how it should have happened,
because you're right, it just the dynamics were always askew
because of the way it was structured, and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It could have changed the quality of the show. You
know how we always talk about it jumping the shark.
Friends didn't. It didn't And I think maybe it's because
they all were in it completely together.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, I know we're totally getting sidetracked.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I could say Friends jump the shark. Every show, in
one's opinion, jumps the shark.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can't think of an episode in season the ending
that season ten, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It was, made you just laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That was true bad compared to the seasonone too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I just mean storylines, like I don't know. I guess
being the age I was at the time, I didn't
want any of them to get married. I didn't wanted
them to have babies, like I just wanted them to
be like single friends.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Like yeah, I guess that people do say when Joey
and Rachel got together, But anyway, I think so can
you guys remember when you knew she wasn't coming back?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Nope, I cannot remember.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And we've tried to talk about it, and because remember
we weren't sure if we knew before or we were
told after. And I mean, we didn't just show up
season five and they're like, hey, Tiffany Eberthieson's here, and
we're like, what, Like we knew, But.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Do you guys think if you had it to do
over again, that maybe you would have gone to the
executives or Shannon and said, like almost like having therapy,
like let's work this out so that we don't sacrifice
this magical show we have built.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We didn't have the wherewithal or that, you know, the bandwidth.
We didn't know enough about life to ask a question
like that. Now looking back, yes, we wish we could
have done that. I mean I do, but I do
too well. I wouldn't have. I didn't think that far.
I didn't think that big picture yet, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I mean yeah, well, and I guess the way you negotiating,
that's a very adult thing to be able to in
the moment when it's happening to all of you. You're
all just thrown into it, to be able to very
clearly see both sides and be fair.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's well, and the way you're negotiating, you had to
worry about paying your own bills right and taking care.
I don't know who had kids at this point or
paying your mortgage. So it is scary if you suddenly
are putting everything on the line to defend or help
Shannon to stay, because what if they said, we'll find
then both of you go.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I never really thought about it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Like my dad fired me. I think I was safe.
I was safe. I was safe.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Oh my god, I really I didn't even think about that.
I didn't think about the bills that I had to say,
Like I'm one minute I was I think all of
us were sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, and the next
minute we were full blown adults with mortgages and car
payments and insurance and employees.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Can you guys remember when you found out Tiffany was coming.
I'm a little like, look, I like Tiffany's character, but
why did they even need her? There's enough of you
that they could have just kept going with guest stars
and arcs, Like did you all feel they needed to
have someone come in?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I remember this conversation that my dad had with them
that they felt like they needed a bad girl, that
there were good girls on the show, and just like
when they felt like they brought Dylan in because last minute,
because they needed a bad boy, because Brandon wasn't that,
So that's why Tiffany came in. And unfortunately it was
(26:58):
never set up that way for Brenda to be that,
but she kind of did become that kind of love
to hate character, I think in nine on two and zero.
So once that was missing, they felt like they needed
to go even.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Further interesting, I mean, did they just learn a brunette.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And maybe that too?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And how did you do you guys remember when you
found out it was it was Tiffany, because we obviously
learned from Chuck that Alyssa Milano was in the running.
Obviously there was many people, So when did you find
out that it was Tiffany? Quote replacing because everybody can
use whatever words they want, but that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No one told us that she was going to be
coming on. It was just like, oh, okay, that's happening.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And keep in mind, we knew her already.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I knew her from Saved by the Bell when I
was on, but we knew her predominantly because Brian and
Tiffany were dating in real life, so she was always
on the set, so we knew Tiffany well, like she
was there every day anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So awkward.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But then one day she was cast and just are
on screen co star and yeah, I don't remember that either.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, obviously, look, this was gonna have its challenges
no matter what for Tiffany, like it didn't matter who
she was because she's coming into this thing replacing an
iconic character. You guys are probably like all having many emotions,
like it's gonna be really interesting to watch season five,
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because I get it. If I were you all, i'd
be like, we don't want this new person coming in
here and kind of like stealing the thunder and coming
in as this bad girl.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's like I never thought that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I don't know, I would have been a little bitter.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think at are, but you don't understand, like our
lives were just not normal. We could barely keep up.
It was like it was like constantly like.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right ten, Yeah, I was just like that, and you
know what, like here we go again. It's like I
like Tiffany. I watch her cooking videos, but it doesn't
mean I have to like this character that's coming like
I want to be like because that always happens too
with these the fans. These everyone's such a big fan,
and I get it because I was in it myself.
(29:14):
But it's okay to not like change or like this
character without It doesn't always have to be about Tiffany
or Shannon or Kathleen or whoever the passenger, right right, yeah,
because Valerie. I mean, we'll get there soon. It was
a little over the top, but we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So anyway, well, I mean it's circling back. Yeah, that
this is Brenda Walsh's last episode. It's something I didn't
even think about until it was over, and then I
was like, huh, so was there?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
There was no hugs, there was no cake, there was it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was not good.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't wonder her because here I was. I tried
to look back, like, you know, I guess you have nothing.
But since then, if you don't recall, you have nothing
but the press to jog your memory. And that's not
always true, right, It's not always the way it went down,
but we do feed into it. We're humans. So you
read press in your mind you think, oh, maybe it
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was worse than we even thought it was. We don't know.
And so I was even looking in this episode, like,
you know, Shannon and I had been friends in real life,
so I was like, is there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, weren't you guys really good friends, like.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Really good friends. We became less good friends near the
end with the relationship she was in, and I think
it was because of that a lot. But I looked
back in this episode to see like where we separated
and we were like holding hands and LinkedIn arms, and
I was like, oh, we were in a good spot
during this one, And then I remembered filming that carnival
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scene and things were good between us. So I don't know.
I feel like Jen, we weren't completely told until it
was over in There's no way kind of they had
that moment to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So again I wish someone would remember. But I feel
like this this shit the bucket over the summer, because otherwise,
how could you even do the episode the way the
episode is.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I don't know, Yeah, you wouldn't have made it that way.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, so they could have. It could have been like
things before and you come back season five and she's like,
I couldn't do it. I just couldn't go to London.
I want to stay because of Dylan. Now right, technically,
of course, right.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Is amazing cliffhanger to think she's leaving, and fans are
pressed all summer and then she comes back.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So what happens? Who do we ask?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Nobody remembers or they won't claim it to. Nobody wants to,
nobody wants to like own it.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm glad that, I swear to God, I'm glad that
I'm not the only one who doesn't remember. Oh that does.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And I think I don't remember that because it was
an unbelo believably hard time because it was not working
on set between everyone. But on the other hand, I
felt bad because I was friends with her, and so
I think I blocked it out. Like so I can't
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remember how it ends. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, and I wonder if it was so tumultuous that
at the end of taping this finale, you guys were like, oh,
thank god it's summer, Like I need a break from
all this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't remember either. That's weird, Like why don't we remember?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Maybe there's a technical term trauma trauma block it out.
You block it if stuff is bad, you're literally block
it out.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But on the other hand, there are horrible things in
my mind that I can never stop seeing. Why can't
I block that?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Trauma? Blocking is a real term. It's an effort to
block out and overwhelmed residual painful feelings due to trauma.
And painful feelings doesn't have to be when you think
of trauma something major. It could be like I'm torn,
or I feel bad or I have loved but there's
this But what's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It called.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Trauma blocking?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Okay, I'm trauma blocking. Sorry, sorry, I don't remember. I'm
trauma blocked.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Maybe we should have a hypnotist on and get it
out of you, guys. It's kind of cool, all right,
I've seen him do it on Criminal Minds. Next week
we'll watch it with fun. Well, well, we've got this
part done and next week we can watch the full
finale and talk about it with all the.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Good of what. Okay, sorry, everybody, we really did. We
jumped the shark right there, that's what we did. I
love you guys. Yeah. By
It's nine O gen one Elegien with Jenny Garth and
Tory Spelling. We're talking about season four, episode thirty one,
mission Mister Wall Goes to Washington, Part one, aired May
twenty fifth, nineteen ninty four, May twenty fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
So okay, so this is the two part finale and
this is part one, part.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
One, so when it aired, it aired all in one night, obviously.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Synopsis. Brenda gets an offer she can't refuse. Kelly comes
to terms with her feelings for Brandon, Steve sees Celeste
with her Steve. Steve sees Celeste with his art enemy
Dylan Here's wedding bells, while Kevin sees dollar signs and
Donna sees there's something going on between David and Ariel.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, I wanted to go to them to break this
down because there's so many different avenues. Which avenue SHO
would go down first?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Because the path of Last Resistance?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How much I wanted to go to that carnival thing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh I remember where that was? Should I start that?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That was the longest carnival ever of carnivals.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Okay, so somebody needs to check me when this filmed.
But here's what I remember I saw, I didn't remember,
and then the scene with me and Shannon and Celeste,
I was like, it took me right back there. And
I believe, unless I'm totally wrong, it was the Malibu
Chili Cookoff, which is Labor Day weekend, and I believe
(01:37):
they let us come in early, so I think we
possibly filmed that Friday when it starts, and we filmed
early in the day and it was so hot and
then it got night.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But then here's my question, how would you have shot
that in September for May?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm not sure, so somebody checked me because I'm probably wrong,
but I feel like that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Like that it was pretty cool though, what a great
carnival looked fun, It looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It reminded me of Greece, you know at the end
of Greece when they're.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Like the.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I did it in the same space and they just
recreated it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Could I love the opening of the way they showed
the two worlds of the kids at the carnival and
then they would cut to the seriousness of Andrea being
in the hospital. Ever, yeah, I love that. I thought
it was cool. Can you believe the baby was only
two pounds? Eight ounces. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like what you're saying, Jenny, how we've got like
frivolity at the fair and everyone's having a good time,
and then we're going back to like probably one of
the most serious things that's happened in the series. Like
that's not that's very serious.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What ee yeah, maybe somehow feel like suspenseful.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It makes me feel like bad for like being like, oh,
super excited by the carnival like teens, and then like oh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And the Carnival's so colorful and the hospital's so gray
that you're like.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, it's interesting. It was an interesting juxta position. Yes
about that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, it was my friend and nineteen ninety four. It
was pretty clever for back then. We were pretty straightforward
back then. Nowadays you would be like, oh, the color schemes,
the shifts and mood, like you would acpect it.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It was good. I don't know, but I liked it
when Kelly bread Carnival in the beginning able to say,
remember when Kelly said Dylan and he says, you got
a problem kill and she said not anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Ooh, I love burn You're delivery. It was just so
good because that's like one of those lines that just
like burn burn line.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
How many to one again?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, we're jump we're jumping out of order, but we
get the big review that Kelly has feelings for Brandon.
It comes too fast, like I didn't see get a
way for you to say it. Sorry, I'm ready for
I'm like, I love it, but I can't do fast
for me. Oh that's interesting. So you think in this
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episode or like in her life, I.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Think just in a story to telling, I just got
that story. Sorry, whoa delay? I think in the storytelling
it has to be, isn't it. You know, we didn't
see the character get there, so I didn't feel like
it was just off, like they woke up in bed together.
I was like, wait, what did I miss?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
That? Actually was a huge disappointment for me. I just
didn't want to see I want to see that, but
as a fangirl, I just want to see every second
that you can show me on screen of the to
building and falling in love and.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Getting together like young love.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, because they're so cute together, like she makes him
a little more mature, He makes her a little more vulnerable,
like he's stepping up becoming a man, and she can
like open her heart again. And be young and free,
and I love them together so much that it felt
like sex was just it felt like sex, and I
(05:24):
didn't want it to feel like sex.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So that's interesting what you're all talking about. Now, technically
we're only we haven't gotten there in this. If people
only watch the first half, they haven't seen it what
you know what talking about. But that's okay, that's okay.
People know that's okay. So I'm processing that what you're
saying in that you would have liked more build up
(05:47):
for this couple. And I actually think you're right, Like,
I guess you're right. Even when she reveals it to Andrea,
and I understood why she revealed and she's trying to like,
you know, not distract the strong word, but like just
help her get help ANDREI get through this. Yeah, it's
(06:09):
almost like she's she's been feeling it, but she didn't
let us in.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
On it, right, right, I feel like that was just
kind of a miss for the like the just the
defining of these two characters moving forward, Like you know,
it was the star of the show. Jason Brandon Walsh,
Like it's a big deal for him to go into
Now what's gonna I think become like a committed relationship
for a while until the point I can remember for
(06:33):
a little parts like the you know, the big thing
at the end, but.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Like his first big relationship honestly.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, with like a legitimate term.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, And it's an aggressive betrayal to your best friend, meaning.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I know I wanted a little more, like I want to,
but I can't. I can't. We can't, we shan't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Because there is bro code, right, So I'm not like
one of those people that's like, does this used to
happen to us in college? Like if someone in the
sorority dated a certain boy in the fraternity, that boy
was off limits to one hundred girls, Like that's crazy, right,
But this is like way closer than that, right. It's
the same thing essentially that Kelly did to Brenda. Yeah,
(07:19):
it's like, is this appropriate to start dating your best
friend's very recent ex girlfriend, like by one very recent?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I just feel like between Dylan and Kelly, the thing
that really held their relationship together was like intense passion.
There was that fire we loved when they had that together.
And with Brandon it's a little more not sweet, I
don't want to say sweet, but there's longevity there, Like Brandon,
you almost immediately see these two together and you're like,
(07:52):
I think I want you guys to get married one day,
So I just would love them to a waited. That's all.
You could have done that scene and shock people without
them having had sex.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Right, Yeah, I think it was a miss.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But again, I mean I could have had a cliffhanger
of her just getting to the plane and then we
wait till season five to.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Just start showing up and him being like, yes, all
of that, but also one of our lead females like
we're not gonna we need like something bigger, explosive.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But well, they were worried about other things. I feel
like they were really in the throes of figuring out,
you know, how did what This is Brenda's last episode,
you guys, right, right, I should have left that, we
should have led with that. This is like I think
this is the last time. This is these two episodes
(08:51):
last time we ever see Brenda Walsh.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know, right, it's I hate it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't want it to have and especially you know,
seeing that she and Dylan and Brenda steps up, She's
that's aggressive for Brenda like to be like, give me
something to come home to her. Whatever she says, I
don't have it verbatim, but like, give me a reason
to come back, like I'm going to be back one.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Day and she never comes back.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Do you think they left it up in the air
that she would come back and hopefully they would resolve things,
and they wanted her to come back. I mean the
audience sure wanted it. We wanted it so it would
be weird.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I can only imagine that they were still hopeful at
this point that they might have been able to work
it out. I don't know that the line was drawn
in the sand.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I loved them together. See it again, Jen, I love
I love Brenda and Dylan together.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, I want more. I feel like we never got
enough of them, like they were the couple and now
watching back as fans for the first time for us,
I'm like, I thought it was a bigger thing, and
it really wasn't, so I would have loved to have
seen a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I feel that same way about Kelly and Dylan. I
don't think they ever got same enough.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I should have had two more.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Years time machine.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, well that's what I'm thinking about. It's like kind
of interesting is that because of the way we're binging
it essentially, I mean, I we're still watching it week
by week, so yeah, because in my mind, Brenda and
Dylan were much longer, and Kelly and Dylan were way
longer in my mind. Yeah, So I don't know if
(10:39):
it's because I had summers and years, you know what
I'm saying, Like it was longer in time.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy to think, like because we
are watching it week by week, like you said the
first time, Yeah, I care so much about these characters,
like that's how the fans felt, you know, and like you, guys,
I watched the two episodes of the other show something
(11:06):
about I'm Pretty now or oh the summary pretty the summary?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Love that show.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Everybody's loving it. Of course it's really good. I auditioned
for a Pardon It. I didn't get it, but anyway,
same you audition for Wild Dead mom Oh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I auditioned for the ant Susie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No way, you guys, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Why it's really good. Anyways, the fans I care about
Conrad and Jeremiah, Like, I've only watched one season.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So that makes me think about nine O two one
oh people, I don't remember, but people must have been
devastated that Shannon Do already left.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, that was That's a big blow.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like I feel like there were tears amongst fans for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think they yeah, and no wonder Tiffany. Like as fans,
I think you'd be a little bitter, like who is
this chick? I mean, I know we're not there yet,
but we will be in a week or two. When
Tiffany joins, it's like it's very hard to sort of replace.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean, like I can't imagine the show without her,
but we.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Were in the throes of it, so we didn't even
think of it that way. But like that is daunting,
Like as a young actress to come in, like I
would have been terrified. I wonder if she got backlash.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
She just she talked. There's I see a clip on
TikTok a lot of her talking about it with Howard
Stern and it's from years ago. But she's really just
tried to come and do her job. That's what she
said that she really just came and tried to do
her job. She talks about like, look, it would be hard.
You've got this close knit group of people and you're
like this new person. I was trying to think of
(13:09):
another show where they had to flip out a lead
and it worked. What other show like Spin City Michael J.
Fox left because of Parkinson's and Charlie Sheen came in,
like it was ever white the same And there are
other shows where like it happens on Law and Order
all the time, except you always have Mriushka. But like
(13:29):
when Chris Maloney left, that was like, I'm not sure
I fully.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Recovered what's the show with another Charlie Sheen?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Two and a half Men?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Two and a half men? When as.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah did work?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
It always kind of works.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
That's never the same, right action, it's never the og.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean, I to one on we know goes six
more years, right, so she was gone longer. She was
gone on longer than she was on for the run
of the show, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Which is wild? The show went on longer than the
years she was on, right, But I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Think of a show where it really was better after
the replacement, like they go on and like nine O
two and oh did and we all debate like when
did it jump the shark? Which I don't think it
does for a few more years. But it's like, is
there ever been a show that improved when they lost
their lead?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm more like I definitely it worries me when we lose.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Dylan. I mean, yeah, tell me about it. That whole
thing you said about she was gone longer than she
was there made me really think, like so because anywhere
Shanon Doherty goes now she's you see her and you
think of Brenda Walsh, like world famous, these characters and
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the actors have played them, meeting one of them. But
she made such an impression on so many people in
only four seasons of a show.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great point too, right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, Like that's something that she should just be so
proud of.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I think it's because the show became so big
in a sense, the show became bigger than the show,
you know what I mean, Like, yes, you all and
the characters became so big, even more than just like
one particular episode. It's why it's so interesting to me
(15:39):
that like whenever anyone thinks of nine O two and oh,
they only think of you all, even though there is
all these characters. I mean, I don't even think of Tiffany.
When I think of nine o two and oh, I
barely think of Kathleen and she was on for many years.
I never think of Lindsay. And I'm not digging on them, no,
but it's that.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like, it's that image that you have stuck in your
head that associates directly with that first season of the show,
and like the summer with the bathing suits that those people. Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That's a nice feeling though, that's home.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah. Do you guys remember how you were feeling or
was there so much sort of angst that it was
sort of like it wasn't as sad as much as
and I don't mean this in a mean way, where
it was sort of like a you could take a
sigh and go at least this will be easier for work.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I just remember moving at such lightning speed. Think of
how young we were, and.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It was like a whirlwind all the time.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We didn't even know the show was big and massive.
You know, we weren't technically, we weren't adults yet. We
you know, were navigating this adult world as best we
could off camera. And I think, looking back now, is
it's really impactful. I think I don't know about you, Jen,
But for me, I didn't know the mats like how
(16:57):
massive the show was until two thousand, when the show
ended after ten years and I was able to have
a life. And you know, we've talked many times like
baby birds being pushed out of your nest and then
we were like what are we doing this world? But
it wasn't until then I was able to take a
breath and look back and go, oh my god, look
what just happened the last ten years?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Did you guys have to have therapy in two thousand?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Like Jen and I talk all the time, that we needed.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's the best question I've ever been asked, by the
way and the way you asked it. Did you guys
have to have therapy after that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
We should have. We've had therapy for many other things,
not specifically.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That I've had therapy for. I mean because therapy, you
whatever therapy you're having, is directly related to the impact
that being that famous at that age in your life's circumstances.
So you are having therapy for that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I mean, I guess. Look, we're getting off tangent,
but we are going to do a part two, so
we will get into all the time Okay, this is
the stuff they liked. Yeah, I'm serious because we are
coming to the end of season four and it's such
a monumental thing with Shannon leaving the show. Like when
you look back on the ten years, like Jenny, you're
talking about therapy, you know, to sort of deal with
(18:14):
this ten years of your life, Like, what were the
sort of ramifications of all of this.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm still paying for them.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, but I know you're kind of being funny toy,
but like I think you might be right, Like, don't
you think that this all of it you're still dealing
with today.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's interesting. It's set up a dynamic in my brain
to repress stuff going on that I sadly have carried
as a through line because we were going and so
many things that we weren't equipped to handle as young people,
and you just had to push it down and do
the work and keep going and represent yourself. But even
(18:57):
having that immense pressure at such a young age as
a team to be known that you're a role model
for millions of people that we were for women everywhere
and men, it was it was hard, and I think
just you just kept going and repressed it and repressed
it which set it up for a dynamic for other
(19:18):
things in your life and relationships to repress your feelings
and keep going.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
God, you're making me all teary eyed?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Do you disagree?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
No, I don't disagree. It's hard to agree with that,
but I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And it's just, you know, a lot of stuff. Life
is crazy, and I'm dealing with a lot of stuff.
You're dealing with a lot of stuff, and you're dealing
with a lot of stuff. Just like see how the
patterns play out over and over. You know that learned behavior?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, exactly, learned behavior atting on age And you know,
Jen and I are talking about it right now, but
you have to understand there were eight of us total
that went through it at the same time. We couldn't
have been the only ones, you know. I feel like
Gabrielle kind of got through it because she came into it,
I don't want to say older, but wiser, more mature,
(20:20):
more experience.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Maybe wasn't she married.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To or she got married while she was on the show.
But I think the rest of us, you know, for sure,
you know, anyone around our age, Brian Shannon, Jason Luke
like it set us up Ian.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, so okay, this is maybe an impossible question
to answer, But do you wish that if you're looking
back now, do you wish there was something you all
could have done to sort out the issue so that
Shannon stayed And would that have created a totally different
six more years and could you have done anything?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I wish that she Branda had stayed on the show, definitely,
But I don't know where they were going to go
with their character because I don't know what they were starting.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's a tough one. If yeah, I agree with Jen
if I'm going to answer as a fan, which is
how we go into this show right now rewatching, Yes,
I would have liked it have worked out, so Brenda
could have stayed being a part of seeing kind of
on the being in it and on the outside of
what was going on at the time. There probably needed
(21:33):
to be a break because there was just the energy.
You know, she wasn't happy. They weren't happy with everything,
like a lot of people weren't happy. I think it
affected everyone and therefore the energy became toxic onset. I'm
not saying she made it toxic, just from everything going on,
(21:55):
so it did need a break, But yes, if we
had taken a breather and every wanted calm down and
sorted out, it would have been really nice to have
friend to come back.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Do you ever wish that you could have done like
what the Friends cast did where it was like you
all were a group that negotiated everything together as a group,
and it was you all stayed and you're all in
it for the ten years, because they went ten years too.
If I believe all in it together and you would
have been one group negotiating, you probably could have made
(22:39):
more money negotiating as one group too. But also maybe
that support system where you weren't competing with each other
but you felt like you all had each other's backs. Now,
I don't know what would have happened, you know, because look,
obviously Jason leaves at one point two, and Luke leaves
and comes back, and gabrielle leaves, so people did leave.
(23:00):
I wonder if you all could have had it been
different where you could have done all ten together.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, I think that would have been amazing. I think
that would have been like that's how it should have happened,
because you're right, it just the dynamics were always askew
because of the way it was structured, and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It could have changed the quality of the show. You
know how we always talk about it jumping the shark.
Friends didn't. It didn't And I think maybe it's because
they all were in it completely together.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, I know we're totally getting sidetracked.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I could say Friends jump the shark. Every show, in
one's opinion, jumps the shark.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can't think of an episode in season the ending
that season ten, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It was, made you just laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That was true bad compared to the seasonone too.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I just mean storylines, like I don't know. I guess
being the age I was at the time, I didn't
want any of them to get married. I didn't wanted
them to have babies, like I just wanted them to
be like single friends.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Like yeah, I guess that people do say when Joey
and Rachel got together, But anyway, I think so can
you guys remember when you knew she wasn't coming back?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Nope, I cannot remember.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And we've tried to talk about it, and because remember
we weren't sure if we knew before or we were
told after. And I mean, we didn't just show up
season five and they're like, hey, Tiffany Eberthieson's here, and
we're like, what, Like we knew, But.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Do you guys think if you had it to do
over again, that maybe you would have gone to the
executives or Shannon and said, like almost like having therapy,
like let's work this out so that we don't sacrifice
this magical show we have built.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We didn't have the wherewithal or that, you know, the bandwidth.
We didn't know enough about life to ask a question
like that. Now looking back, yes, we wish we could
have done that. I mean I do, but I do
too well. I wouldn't have. I didn't think that far.
I didn't think that big picture yet, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I mean yeah, well, and I guess the way you negotiating,
that's a very adult thing to be able to in
the moment when it's happening to all of you. You're
all just thrown into it, to be able to very
clearly see both sides and be fair.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's well, and the way you're negotiating, you had to
worry about paying your own bills right and taking care.
I don't know who had kids at this point or
paying your mortgage. So it is scary if you suddenly
are putting everything on the line to defend or help
Shannon to stay, because what if they said, we'll find
then both of you go.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I never really thought about it.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Like my dad fired me. I think I was safe.
I was safe. I was safe.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Oh my god, I really I didn't even think about that.
I didn't think about the bills that I had to say,
Like I'm one minute I was I think all of
us were sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, and the next
minute we were full blown adults with mortgages and car
payments and insurance and employees.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Can you guys remember when you found out Tiffany was coming.
I'm a little like, look, I like Tiffany's character, but
why did they even need her? There's enough of you
that they could have just kept going with guest stars
and arcs, Like did you all feel they needed to
have someone come in?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I remember this conversation that my dad had with them
that they felt like they needed a bad girl, that
there were good girls on the show, and just like
when they felt like they brought Dylan in because last minute,
because they needed a bad boy, because Brandon wasn't that,
So that's why Tiffany came in. And unfortunately it was
(26:58):
never set up that way for Brenda to be that,
but she kind of did become that kind of love
to hate character, I think in nine on two and zero.
So once that was missing, they felt like they needed
to go even.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Further interesting, I mean, did they just learn a brunette.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And maybe that too?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And how did you do you guys remember when you
found out it was it was Tiffany, because we obviously
learned from Chuck that Alyssa Milano was in the running.
Obviously there was many people, So when did you find
out that it was Tiffany? Quote replacing because everybody can
use whatever words they want, but that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No one told us that she was going to be
coming on. It was just like, oh, okay, that's happening.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And keep in mind, we knew her already.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I knew her from Saved by the Bell when I
was on, but we knew her predominantly because Brian and
Tiffany were dating in real life, so she was always
on the set, so we knew Tiffany well, like she
was there every day anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So awkward.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But then one day she was cast and just are
on screen co star and yeah, I don't remember that either.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, obviously, look, this was gonna have its challenges
no matter what for Tiffany, like it didn't matter who
she was because she's coming into this thing replacing an
iconic character. You guys are probably like all having many emotions,
like it's gonna be really interesting to watch season five,
(28:23):
because I get it. If I were you all, i'd
be like, we don't want this new person coming in
here and kind of like stealing the thunder and coming
in as this bad girl.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's like I never thought that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I don't know, I would have been a little bitter.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think at are, but you don't understand, like our
lives were just not normal. We could barely keep up.
It was like it was like constantly like.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Right ten, Yeah, I was just like that, and you
know what, like here we go again. It's like I
like Tiffany. I watch her cooking videos, but it doesn't
mean I have to like this character that's coming like
I want to be like because that always happens too
with these the fans. These everyone's such a big fan,
and I get it because I was in it myself.
(29:14):
But it's okay to not like change or like this
character without It doesn't always have to be about Tiffany
or Shannon or Kathleen or whoever the passenger, right right, yeah,
because Valerie. I mean, we'll get there soon. It was
a little over the top, but we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So anyway, well, I mean it's circling back. Yeah, that
this is Brenda Walsh's last episode. It's something I didn't
even think about until it was over, and then I
was like, huh, so was there?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
There was no hugs, there was no cake, there was it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was not good.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't wonder her because here I was. I tried
to look back, like, you know, I guess you have nothing.
But since then, if you don't recall, you have nothing
but the press to jog your memory. And that's not
always true, right, It's not always the way it went down,
but we do feed into it. We're humans. So you
read press in your mind you think, oh, maybe it
(30:13):
was worse than we even thought it was. We don't know.
And so I was even looking in this episode, like,
you know, Shannon and I had been friends in real life,
so I was like, is there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, weren't you guys really good friends, like.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Really good friends. We became less good friends near the
end with the relationship she was in, and I think
it was because of that a lot. But I looked
back in this episode to see like where we separated
and we were like holding hands and LinkedIn arms, and
I was like, oh, we were in a good spot
during this one, And then I remembered filming that carnival
(30:49):
scene and things were good between us. So I don't know.
I feel like Jen, we weren't completely told until it
was over in There's no way kind of they had
that moment to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So again I wish someone would remember. But I feel
like this this shit the bucket over the summer, because otherwise,
how could you even do the episode the way the
episode is.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I don't know, Yeah, you wouldn't have made it that way.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, so they could have. It could have been like
things before and you come back season five and she's like,
I couldn't do it. I just couldn't go to London.
I want to stay because of Dylan. Now right, technically,
of course, right.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Is amazing cliffhanger to think she's leaving, and fans are
pressed all summer and then she comes back.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So what happens? Who do we ask?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Nobody remembers or they won't claim it to. Nobody wants to,
nobody wants to like own it.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm glad that, I swear to God, I'm glad that
I'm not the only one who doesn't remember. Oh that does.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And I think I don't remember that because it was
an unbelo believably hard time because it was not working
on set between everyone. But on the other hand, I
felt bad because I was friends with her, and so
I think I blocked it out. Like so I can't
(32:16):
remember how it ends. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, and I wonder if it was so tumultuous that
at the end of taping this finale, you guys were like, oh,
thank god it's summer, Like I need a break from
all this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't remember either. That's weird, Like why don't we remember?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Maybe there's a technical term trauma trauma block it out.
You block it if stuff is bad, you're literally block
it out.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But on the other hand, there are horrible things in
my mind that I can never stop seeing. Why can't
I block that?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Trauma? Blocking is a real term. It's an effort to
block out and overwhelmed residual painful feelings due to trauma.
And painful feelings doesn't have to be when you think
of trauma something major. It could be like I'm torn,
or I feel bad or I have loved but there's
this But what's.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It called.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Trauma blocking?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Okay, I'm trauma blocking. Sorry, sorry, I don't remember. I'm
trauma blocked.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Maybe we should have a hypnotist on and get it
out of you, guys. It's kind of cool, all right,
I've seen him do it on Criminal Minds. Next week
we'll watch it with fun. Well, well, we've got this
part done and next week we can watch the full
finale and talk about it with all the.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Good of what. Okay, sorry, everybody, we really did. We
jumped the shark right there, that's what we did. I
love you guys. Yeah. By
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