October 24, 2025 • 64 mins
In a major OMG moment, David Silver fills in for Donna Martin!!
Spoiler alert: Brian never watched the show back in the day either, but boy does he remember the backstage drama!From his breakup with Tiffani, to bonding with Jennie's ex, to the infamous day they coined 'El Ziño' because a main cast member kicked up a storm!
Plus, the only thing that would make him consider coming back for a reboot!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nine O Gen one O Engine with Jenny Garth
and Tory Spelling. We are here. Oh my gosh, you
guys welcome to another episode of nine oh two one
oh MG. And you guys are gonna omg right about now,
(00:20):
because get ready for it. We have a guest host today.
I'll let you just speak and then they'll know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's it's me, Tory spelling.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I know that was terrible. It's it's fine.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We have Brian Green with this today. This is so exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm in co hosting, filling in for Tory.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You're filling in for Tory, which is so nice of you.
We have never had you on the pod so well.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So what's funny is I was sent an episode to
watch last night.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I did, and I realized as I was watching through it,
I've never watched a full episode of the show before.
Was that a digital remaster of the show? Like I
know that those just released?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, those are from Darren? Is that from Darren Mark? Yes,
he sent the stick and we're able to use it.
It's so much easier because some of the episodes are hidden,
some of them are not on this platform or that
platform for whatever reasons.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was shocked how good it looked. I know, like,
I yeah, it looks like aside from the fact that
it's like square format, which is odd to see, it
looked really good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wait, it's odd to see square format because the TVs
used to be square.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What they did? Yeah, because the TVs were square? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Wait a second, when did they become rectangles?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I know that's what's you You missed that time. Apparently
that was like the end. I think it was the
end of the nineties when it started. Really when a
HD came up. HD is the by ten forty format,
so it's all of a sudden, that's why you have
like the wide screen everything now. So yeah, I used
to be square and our show fit on a square
(02:12):
square screen. Oh mab so any of the old shows
that you watch, not just of nine O, two, one zero,
but of anything, they're all square.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
To look at that little lesson technology lesson.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Thanks. See that's why I'm here. That's that male energy.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, the male energy is in the house today, guys.
But I'm so glad that I I yeah, I was
a little busy at the end of the nineties. I
don't know about you, but I miss that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I was so busy. I literally never watched our show.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think that's great, here's watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And I was going like there were storylines where I
was like, oh my god, get out of here, right,
like Kelly being pregnant and the whole time.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
All the thing about this podcast is that Toy and
I had never watched it back and now we've watched
every single episode and it's been mind blowing and like
so cathartic.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
In good way. Yes, and it really it's been. I
was watching that episode, Oh my god, the choices that
I made and what was I doing with my hair?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Did my shirt fit that way? Like I was picking up.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh, that's what happens. But then you kind of get
sucked in. So the more you watch, I did not
don't even see those.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm way too I'm way too narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
To get something so vain. So I think the song
this show is about you, but it really is. So Okay, Brian,
I was so happy you're here. Today. We are going
to recap the heck out of this show, you and me.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We're talking about season seven, episode twenty nine. Mother's Day
aired Day seventh, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They sent me the right episode that would have sucked.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No you, I heard you say, this is the right one.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead give me that snops.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay. First of all, can I just say how great
it was seeing Joey Tata Kathleen in the opening credits.
I was like, Oh, that's so. It's so cool because
like it automatically brought me back to the time period
when we were doing it, and I remember it was
so exciting when it was like, oh, NAT's going to
be in the opening. Yeah, very it was very joined
(04:22):
the kids and my my buddy Corn was in it.
Ornemic here he was on the show. Quirky.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Quirky, Yeah, quirky. But it's good. I think it's appropriate
that he changed his name to korn. I well, I
mean is just a little yeah, I mean for a
guy his age now is.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It kind of like when people change from like Joe,
Like Joey Lawrence changed to Joe Lawrence. It's like, I
you're known as Joey. I don't know, Like it's weird.
Like I did his podcast and I kept calling him
by his name and I was like, dude, I can't
help it, Like I you're Joe, it happened, and he
was like, of course, no problem.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Do you want to read the synopsis or shall I you? Okay,
it's an oive mother's day. Kelly is positively freaking out
when ant flow doesn't come as planned, but Brandon Walsh
takes the news like a man. Valerie plots a pea
pad scheme that's a real stinker. Of course. Donna and
(05:24):
David fall hook line and sinker. Meanwhile, Steve finds out
that it's going to take a lot more than fresh
air to fix his relationship with Claire. Directed by Chip Chalmers,
written by the beautiful Jessica Klein. This is our producers.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh okay, yeah, that was like on the DVDs in
the box sets.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And no, no, no, no, the producers of this podcast.
Lorraine writes it to be specific.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because she's the producers of our show.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Okay, yeah, no, they have nothing to do with this podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Brian got it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, let's see here. What do we want to talk
about first? Which storyline do you want to jump into?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So well, let's let's let's try and I I don't
have it in front of me. But let's try and
kind of cover it in order, Okay, I think right.
So the first the first thing we see, you see
is Kelly worried because she's six and a half days late, right,
(06:23):
six and a half. Yeah, I watched it this morning.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I'm glad you got the half in there. I forgot
about that. I just thought she was a few days late.
But six and a half days. That's six and a
half day yep.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And you make a point of saying, Okay, well now
I'm six and a half days late. So it's like
that's the only reason that it's stuck out in my
mind because that was a that was a line.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh okay, good, I'm so glad you were listening. So, yeah,
she's late and she's freaking out. You know, this whole episode,
just in general, for me, was a very emotional, emotion full.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Episode for you, for Kelly.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
For me as a view a fan.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
As a viewer, got okay, no, I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That there were so many great moments in this show.
Yeah that you know, sometimes it doesn't all come together
and everybody's kind of doing something else and there's no
like thread through the whole thing. But this with the
mother's day theme of it all and how that affected
the different characters in different ways, and I thought it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Was Yeah, it was. It was interesting for sure. There.
So of course, again as I said before, and watching it,
I was like, I'm watching all the things going wait,
but you know, the characters just came from this scene.
So why like, doesn't the continuity of the you know,
of the tension matched into the So I'm picking apart
all of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, I love that about you because that's what I
do well, because we just know too much.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was a job for us.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, and maybe sometimes we didn't do our job that great.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I would bet that I didn't do my job very
well like ninety eight percent of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, I would say like maybe one of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Good okay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But I did love seeing our characters together in this episode.
And I loved just the vulnerability of not just Kelly
with the pregnancy, but also Donna with her relationship, and
also David. You were very vulnerable with the the you know,
evil twixting of val and that kind of Wait.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Can I ask you a question because I don't remember
and I don't watch any I haven't really seen any
of them as I said before, how did David end
up owning part of the After Dark? How? Like? How
did because you've seen up until this point, so he
how did he come into the money to do that?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
How did that happen? Because I was watching it going wait,
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, I'm just gonna guess because you know me, Brian,
I don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You do this podcast. I know that's what.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I watched the episode and I'm like, wait, what happened
last season? No idea got it? Okay, but I think
you got money from Grandma and Grandpa. You inherited some money,
and then you wanted to invest in the peach Pit
after Dark with Val? Were you guys boyfriend and girlfriend
at that time? I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think we must have been, because she then uses
that as a ploy to get me to buy her
out of.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Let me ask you this question in this one? Were
you Okay? So you guys dated in I r L Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What in? What? In? I r L Yeah? What does
that mean? Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
In real life?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh god, it's one of those new fangled right L
O L I R yes, yes, sure?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So when did you guys date what do you remember
what years? Because I mean, that's a I don't know
what when I dated who?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But so we were actually dated. When when did she
first come on? Season five?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This is the fun part about show. You're going to
ask me all these questions.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And you're not going to know any of the answers. No, Well,
welcome to this very special episode, this very special elderly
like dementia.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Our listeners know that I have a terrible memory. I'm
not lying, and they know that this happens to every people.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
With horrible short term memory, and those and the swabs
at the beginning of COVID, those long ones didn't help.
So I'm just gonna yeah, oops, yeah, those were We'd
get to the end and I'd be like, did I
eat breakfast this morning? I don't remember it all You
you just scrubbed it all the way.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, you guys did when she came on the show.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So you're so we were already dating when she came
on the show.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You were already dating, right.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And then we had broken up by the point when
we were.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Dating on the show.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay, Oh yeah, that's the that's the really fun like
you know that moment. Yeah, it was like Okay, now
we've we've broken up, and now you're playing romantic.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Because in the beginning she was playing love interests with
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh my god, how was that. I talked about it before.
I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Oh my, I can imagine I.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because that was my first relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And you guys, were you like lived together ish shung.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, we did live together. She lived in my house.
And how old were years?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Seventeen?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I was seventeen or eighteen when we started, when we
started actually dating, playing adults. Yeah, it was like it
was a very I remember. It was a big like
decision that I made and it was a big thing
for me. So then when we when we broke up,
then all of a sudden they wrote the characters together,
which is that that was just their classic form of torture.
(11:43):
That's what twelve people don't know that the writers on
nine O two one Oh, I think liked to, like
in the closet torture us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That sounds really inappropriate, but.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They would give us storylines where it was like really
rough for us, and everybody else was like this is
a great storyline. It was like, nah, this is a
little too on the on the head for me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I always knew that there was that you are
uncomfortable with her, with all the other love interests. But
then to be broken was the crazy Did you do
anything crazy ever in like a fit of rage? You know,
like el Zeno, did you ever like lose your ship?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Nobody ever did in el Zeno ever, Like I don't
know if I've ever known anybody in life that pulled
in el Zeno the way iron.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
We talk about that. We laugh about that because guys
that you're listening, maybe you want to explain it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Prime Oh god, el Zeno was to come in that
morning and to see the carnage of the hallway and
the chair sticking out of the wall, and the mailboxes
in the front, like you could tell they were crooked,
so somebody tried ripping them down, Like were you like
window was broken on the front. Yeah. I remember walking
(12:51):
through going what.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Did anybody but tell you what had happened? Or they're like,
uh no.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It wasn't until I walked back in the front I
was like, why is there a chair sticking out of
the all in the ladies room and and they I
remember we had one of the red rolling lights and
that was just completely destroyed on the on the ground,
and they were like, oh yeah, I didn't like. He
watched the episode last night and some stuff was edited
out that he was really proud of. I was like,
(13:17):
oh no.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, a big day.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That was a big day.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But we, of course, because we're family, just liked to
continually give him shit about that for the rest of
his life.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We coined El Zeno because that was during El Nino.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Which is a big like storm, right, Yes, for.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Sure, that was a big That was a big storm.
They came out of out of Mexico, out of the
coast there, so it was everything was like El Nino,
La Nina came in, so El Nino and then El
el Xeno.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I loved it. He probably hates it. He probably hates
it just as much as that picture that we always
loved to show, which she hates.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh my god, the one of him bending over going
Oh it's cool. I okay, you know what I hold on.
You know what I did make a note of I
have I wrote, I've never seen hair move as little
as irons. He was driving a convertible and it never moved.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Wow. Very observant.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He was in the car driving and it's like, well,
he has short hair, even short hair though you're in
a convertible.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
If you were driving in a convertible, if David was
driving in a convertible, your hair wouldn't move either.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I was reminded how much hair spray we used on that,
and how much Jelle I was using. That just wasn't
I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wait a second, you're telling me you can't watch it
and go back and appreciate that guy, that young man
and his charm and his good looks.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
How were you when you first started doing this?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Honestly, I was at a real pivotal place in my
life where going back it was the right moment for
me to go back and embrace that person in such
a loving, gentle way. So normally I don't watch my work.
I don't I don't enjoy watching my anything. I don't
like somebody else do that for me. Yeah, but this
(15:11):
has been a whole different experience because now as a
grown woman and realizing you know what your past, how
it leads your life, and you know what things stick,
what things don't, what things really shaped you. Yeah, and
this show was a massive part of my upbringing and
(15:32):
all of our like you know, total like teenage, purely
like adolescent, all those really important developmental years.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's hard for me to not watch stuff when I
was younger acting in it and not immediately be brought
back to what was going on in my life when
I was doing that. So like nine O two one oh,
for me, when I watch old episodes where I see
little things, it reminds, it takes me right back to
(16:00):
and immediately I'm like, oh my god, I was so
like I had zero self confidence. Like I remember I
remember being in the peach pit after dark set and
it being full of people, and I was so like,
I was so stressed about how everybody perceived me in
(16:21):
what I was doing, and I would be I would
get so like incredibly embarrassed. And you know, normally as
an actor, like you try and get on a set
and you try and put all that away and go
it's a character. But the characters, those were us by
season seven, and.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I don't think we were seasoned enough as actors to
really be able to delienate that, you know, make the difference.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And they we weren't written The characters weren't written differently.
They were written as us yeah, And I always say
the time, people like it was easier for me earlier
on in the show as an actor because they had
very clear like concepts in mind of what David Silvia
(17:08):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I loved David Silver pilot episode, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
My God, much so did I. And I got to say, like,
I had way more self confidence playing an absolutely dopey
dude that every like everybody wanted to push out of
the web. Like I loved it. It was really fun,
Like I would enjoy the reactions that I got from
from people on set in saying things and doing things.
(17:35):
And then as soon as the character started becoming more
and more like me, and I started getting really self
conscious of like, oh my god, now people are viewing
David Silver, but it's such a combination of myself and
this character. Ooh. If they think something's dopey and ridiculous,
they think I'm dopey and ridiculous. So it was it
(17:58):
became harder and harder to separate and differentiate between the two.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, And I think at that time too, as young,
you know, yeah, people, we didn't have that sort of
like sense of confidence.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We were seventeen when we started shooting, So from seventeen
to twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You act like you were so much younger than me.
I was seventeen, wasn't I?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, I was?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Was I old than I am? Well?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
How by how much?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know, And I don't want to call it
out here because.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm fifty three. How old are you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'm fifty two, so you're one year older?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So okay, okay, one year older? Whoop do you do?
I'm one year older? Sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Didn't you feel a difference though, age wise between Tory
and I and you? And no? No?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think because I was kind of in the middle,
so I could go both ways, you know, I didn't feel.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I remember our stuff was always super fun, but like I,
I always felt like you were way older than me
because that's what we played like. That was the relationship
with the characters in the beginning, and again in the beginning,
they were such carved out.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Characters, very specific.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, so it was like, oh, we hated each other,
and Kelly was horrified when David was around, and David
just you know, couldn't look past doubt. Oh my god,
completely obsessed. And it was so much fun. Like I
remember when we were shooting stuff and we would be
laughing at like how ridiculous it was, and we would
be coming up with these ridiculous ways of playing stuff,
(19:38):
and then that just that gave way to sort of
this mundane Oh my god, we're playing versions of ourselves. Yeah,
how do how do you know? It was? It was
really hard differentiating. I remember by the time it ended,
I was I had started coming around and like finding
(20:00):
my self confidence again. But it was really it took
a while.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh I know, I watched the whole thing. I saw
this young not you know boy coming off of a
big show. You had this confidence about you even though
you were the younger guy, and you were so comfortable
in that place. And then I saw as you grew
up and you know, things changed for you personally, and
(20:27):
then work obviously changed because of it. Like I saw
all the growth in that period, and I do. I
do remember like you coming back sort of like owning
your power and your voice and your position there. And
by the end, which was nice, Yeah, yeah, it was.
(20:47):
We were all doing it. We were all trying to
figure it out.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, we all sort of found We went through a lot.
Like I was, I was thinking back to, like I
remember working in my studio at home with Dan and
like work on music and stuff, Like wait.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Really, oh yeah this is Dan. He's talking about my
first husband's husband, not legal, but first husband. I got
married to him.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I crazy. I sat in the studio we were
working on stuff because you had.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Did I ask you? I was like, can you help him?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I feel like you did.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like, were you like, hey, let's jam buddy?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No? No, no no, because we our styles were very different.
He was like alt rock and I was hip hop.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So then you asked like, oh, can you guys work
on on some stuff? And I was like, I guess,
like we can try and combine the two. It never
went anywhere so trying.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, thanks for trying. But it's just I mean, we
could talk a long time I think about because you
and I've never really sat down had a conversation about
the impact that the show had on us in our development, yeah,
and how that ended up for us now here today.
There's a lot to unpack there, which I I love.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That would be a very special episode of.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
All Right. So Kelly might be pregnant, Kelly might be pregnant.
Donna's a very good friend.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Donna's very good friend. I remember that there was the
scene where was it Donna that reached out to Brandon
was like, you need to get over here right now,
and he was like panicked, And.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
No, I think it was Kelly. I mean, Donna said
you should call him, and then Kelly called him, okay,
and because she just was like she needed some support
stuff with you.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And Jason was really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I really believe it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really well, like really connected and it seemed like a
really loving.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, he was a champ, like you know. Of course,
she was nervous to tell him and terrified and completely
just out of her mind, and I think that really translated.
And I think that his reaction was written so beautifully
because that's probably not the typical reaction from a guy
his he's twenty two, maybe sure, but I think that
(23:14):
it was I know I instantly fell back more whatever
in love with Brandon and Jason in that moment because
he was so dear and kind and gentle, yeah, impatient.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, he was great. He was very just very mature
in the way that he handled it like it's It
was funny to watch because like I've always known, like, oh,
Brandon was this character that was sort of the moral
the morality of the show like he you know, Brandon
and Brenda were the two that like brought us back
(23:48):
to what is right? So, like I remember when he
was gone, it was a little kind of like, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Now wait, Dad's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What are we going to know? Who was that? Like? Yeah,
now what are we going to do?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, he handled that really did well though. Like as
an actor, I was, I really enjoyed watching the stuff
with Kelly and Brandon.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So this aired in nineteen ninety seven and we are
openly talking about teenage abortion. What other show was doing
that at this time? I mean maybe by this time
we had had other.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Late nineties, I think there were other.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Shows life and different shows.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Party of five was on. I think it was people
were starting to like really get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I never watched any of those shows. I don't know
if you did. I never had any time to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I did see a couple episodes of Party of Five.
That show was fantastic, Like they had really I remember
Scott Wolf was dealing with alcoholism and drug abuse or
his character was, and it was like they did a
they brought everybody together and they started it was just
(24:59):
really well all handled this though, was really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean I didn't feel like as a viewer,
I wasn't. I didn't know that this was coming. Like
I you know, this whole storyline I never saw coming,
and I was like, whoa, Okay, we're going there. And
I know that I Jenny was pregnant in real.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Life, so I could so I could tell that you
were hiding it in scenes. And when you came out
in the very beginning and you had like a nightgown
like pajamas, I could see the belly underneath, and I
was like, oh, she was already high.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay, yeah, this is the year of Luca's birth, so
that Luca. I think it's interesting that they wrote did
they write this in? I don't know if that came from,
you know, me being really pregnant or just a great story,
like crazy thing for the characters. It couldn't have been
a coincidence. I think, you know, we know what we
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know about how they really tried to use us as
real teenagers and get storylines from our real lives. So
but I she's she's tested pregnant on the drug store test,
and she's going to go to the doctor, So I
do not know if she really is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I do not know what, Yeah, what is the outcome?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm not gonna have to watch more episodes, but I'm
definitely intrigued. I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I think you should join us every week from here
on out watching an episode. O.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Thank thank you for the infante. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Let me tell you ask you why why does it
you just can't watch yourself or is it the show
and as a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's a I don't It's just like there was a
lot going on for me time wise. I so like
I did watch the show and think, oh my god,
Like I really feel like there were some missed opportunities
of like some funny stuff and whatever the reboot that
we did, you know, and I wish we had, like
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just because because the show was incredibly melodramatic. You think
you're watching these storylines and you're going, oh my god,
and then like the sad music plays through and the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Things actor looks away.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
God. Yeah, it was all like you know, in the
camera moves and the things the zooms is, So it
would have been that would have been super funny to
like do more of reboot. I always had a very different,
like meta concept for the reboot of we were already
doing this rebooted show, so it was like this like
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behind the scenes, but then also on set on the characters,
so people got a little more of a book.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
We were trying to get there, but we didn't have
enough ramp onto that freeway.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, that's a that was
a hard show. I think too, like re reboot, because
the audience there are like our diehard audience. They wanted
something that we weren't willing to give. I gave.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I still think we were willing or ready or I
gave ten years. I mean, because I remember having the
initial conversation with you and thinking, I don't know if
he's going to do it. He's really on the fence.
But you did see it as an opportunity to do
something different, in new and refreshing and come at it
from a different angle.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I remember I really championed that idea because it was
like listen, I genuinely felt like, if anything was going
to bring it back together, a concept like that would
be the thing, because if it was just a straight reboot,
Oh we want you to come back, We're going to
see where David Silver is now, and you know, and
you were very against that. I was like, nope, that
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was and that had been brought to us a few
different times.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well let me ask you this then, or do you
still feel the same way. Would you would you never
play David Silver again?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh? Yeah, you would?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Or you would?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You would never say yes to a reboot of that,
like where you're playing a straight character. Never is a
very strong word.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There would have to be something really interesting about it.
I wouldn't want I would not want to come back
and just play continue the show.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Just random storylines, and.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, there would have to be something really interesting about
it where it was like as an actor, oh that's fun,
Like that's a that's an interesting reason for me. Something's
got to motivate me other than just doing the show
and sort of the paycheck of it, Like it's I
love the concept of doing something for the fan base,
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but it would have to be something that fulfills me. Also,
if I'm just on set doing what we did for
ten years, I'd be miserable.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, we probably wouldn't be going for ten years. That
really doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Totally, although you never know. Yeah, who knows? How many
seasons now have you done of this.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well, we're gonna do ten because there's ten seasons in
the show.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right, Yeah, did you think you'd be doing a podcast
and doing ten seasons of it?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No? I really didn't even think that through when we
started this podcast, of course. Not no, but it goes
quicker than the first.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We never did when we were doing the show. No,
we had no call to me. It was like it
was a fun pilot. Okay, cool and nice to meet
you all, and then like.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Oh, we get to go and do this every day. Okay,
that's fun. I like the people we get to. They
have good craft service here, like my clothes.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh my god. It was so crazy to the pickups
we were getting of, like you're picked up for three
more seasons. Remember those calls where it was like you're kid,
like holy.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And thirty three episodes a season?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh my god, god, so many episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, bananas, bananas. We did it though. I'm so proud
of us. We did it. We finished it, and you
know what, there's something like we've talked about it before.
I think like this is the gift that keeps on
giving and not just I'm not talking about money, I'm
not talking about fame. I'm not talking about any of that.
I'm talking about like our relationships and the depth of
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the history we all have together, and the fact that
we're just bound together for eternity, like when you know,
we've seen it, when Luke died, when Shannon died. It's
all of us, and it's going to be that way
when the rest of us go. You know, we're always
going to be associated with.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
One another, whether you like it or not, Like we
are this. I always equate us to like plane crash
survivors that have this shared experience that nobody else understands
except for the people that were in it, and so
our bond through it all. Oh yeah, how can we
not create a bond? How it's we grew.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Up in those hallways in eyes.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We grew up in those hallways and van eyes, and
then we also grew up having the experiences we had
on weekends, like doing these appearances and these things where
it was like, oh my god, what is what's going on? Yeah?
How are this many people showing up to a thing?
Why do they give a shit that I'm there? Like
this is so this is so strange. The whole experience
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was so surreal.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, it's still messed with your head a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Probably. I still tell stories, and I don't I don't
feel like I'm telling stories about myself, like I feel
like I'm sharing other people's stories because I don't, like
I remember the visuals of myself being in it, but
it still seems unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like an out of body thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I in an eye in Spain and like all these
crazy stories where it's like, oh my god, that's right.
Like I go to Spain now to work and there
aren't fifteen thousand people that show up at the airport instead.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's not You're like, wait, where is everybody right?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That whole? I mean, my popularity is really much like
you do an appearance and there's five people and they
like fairly clap.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm curious from a man's perspective, because there was talk
about this between Kelly and Brandon. It's your decision, it's
our decision kind of talk, like, Kelly, you get to
choose what you want to do with this, this is
your He even says it's your decision. But I was like,
(33:45):
and Kelly was very like, it's our decision. But I
do think it's It's just how did you feel about
that as a man, like if you were in that position.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think ultimately it is a the woman's decision because
you have to go through pregnancy and child like it's
it is. It's a life altering thing in very different
ways between a man and a woman. Like I think
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I think a man's job in a lot of ways
starts more toward the end of pregnancy and childbirth. But
it's like you've got to do a woman asked to
do seven eight months on her you know, I wasn't
waking up with like morning sickness and things like that.
Like I wasn't going through those things, So it's easy
(34:40):
for me to be like, oh no, we'll make this work.
It'll be great. It's like it's sure, you know. That's
I don't know if I don't know if a man
can really say that. I think. I think when you
are married, it's a very different joint decision because now
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it's like, how is is our life ready for this?
Whereas when you're not, it's kind of like, you know,
we were dating, we could not be dating.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
In another Yeah, it was interesting, Brandon said, like at
first he was like, we can handle a baby, we
can do this we we we wee wait, and then
it wasn't until Kelly was like, it's not we, it's me.
Is this happened to me? Yes, it's happening to you too,
but it has to end up being my choice. And
I think that scene, did you do you remember the
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scene with Kelly and Jackie in the in the bathroom,
dark bathroom?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah? What?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Mom? Like she fully comes back at her with exactly
what she shouldn't have, like, how could you let this
happen to yourself?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Right? So I had It's it's funny, like I am
watching it. I wish because I know you could have
done it really well. I really wish that they would
have had a little more connection with Kelly being pregnant
and being emotional within all of it, just chemically on
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top of it. So the things you were saying and
the and some of the reactions, people were like, she's
allowed to have these, but it seemed a little more
like you're watching as a rational human being and you're like, God,
she's really overacting, you know, like overreacting to this situation,
Like why is she so so frustrated or annoyed with
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this person? And it's like, Okay, if you put yourself
in her shoes. She's going through all of it right now.
So I wish they would have like did a deeper
dive into that, because I know you could have really
played this out of that, but I think it would
have been really fun for you to do, like to
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be to play the manic side of it all.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
She was very level headed, which I like for Kelly
because she's not always historically been level headed, right And
I think now at this stage as a character, she's
more sort of secure in herself and realizes that she's
on her own ultimately and she needs to take care
of herself, you know. I think she stopped putting that
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on her father and on the guys that she was with,
so now she just feels like more mature, I think
for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well, and there's no more mature of a story, no,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Sure that there were so many girls you know, that
had grown up with us for these seven seasons so far,
and that had experienced this, you know, or you know,
had had to have these talks with their moms or
their boyfriends, and like how much they could. I was
literally glued to the TV set just watching it as
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a pure fan of there.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Because you've watched all the episodes leading up to it. Yeah,
you're completely invested in these characters you've created separation. I
watched this episode and I was like, oh my god,
we were on a show, you know. I see it.
I see the opening credits and I see my name,
and it's like, oh my god, like I remember. So
I'm not invested the same way. I'm way more. I
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was watching it again from a much more like narcissistic
self judging as an actor place.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I just want you to keep watching it so you
can appreciate the show fully, like the way the fans did,
you know. And I didn't realize that what even happened
to me when I started. I would be like rolling
my eyes at stuff in the beginning, but for sure,
I mean now, it's just I'm so into it. I'm
a super fan. I've got the look, I've got the
googly guys.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
This show this like I was. I was watching it
and then Noah came in and I said, oh, you
should watch this show because Noah just turned thirteen. It's
like it's it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Now did he recognize you that you?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I know? I said, I was like, this is my
old show. Oh and Zaan was in here too, the
three year old who he looked at it for a
second and was like, oh that is you know, that's you,
and then he went he flew in the other room
and did what three year olds do. Good.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
But it's but it's funny. Like I in watching it,
I could see the appeal within that age group of
what it is we were making. Because and especially that's
why I asked you in the beginning, like is this
one of the digitally remastered ones? Like what? Because it
looked so good and I was watching it genuinely going,
so it looks like a good show. Yeah, like I
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see what the kids are watching. Oh yeah, I see
all the other stuff and what we were doing like
absolutely not only hell holds up, but was really good.
Like they were. I'd see where our budget was going,
aside from you know, like paychecks to everybody. I was like, oh,
they're really The way it was shot, the way it
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was lit, the way everything it was really it was legit.
It was legit. It was a real show.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
If nothing else, take that away from you having to
watch an episode for our podcast today. It just now
like it's good to hear you like being proud of
it and recognizing.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, I really watched it, and I was like, no,
we were. It was a real It was a real
show because it didn't feel like it to me when
we were making it, because we were shooting it fan eyes.
We had these long days we were shooting the double
up episodes and the things.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We were literally just doing our job, punching our survive.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah. I was like, God, I want to get through
the days so I can get home because I have
all this other stuff going on. And so it was
like you try and get home and you had your
separate life. But then as the storylines started, they started
writing more based on what our actual lives were, it
was harder to go home and separate from the it was.
It became this really like tumultuous time near the end
(40:53):
for me, I know for sure. I was like, I
don't know how to separate the right. I want to
get home and I want to just be home and
focus on my home life. But I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But you can't cause you go home and you're like, wait,
who am I?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Really am I Do I think this way? Or do
I think that way?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I was like I was, and you know, they had
me doing all of this stuff for David. So like
later on in the run of it, like you know,
when David was performing songs on the show, like I
was making those songs in my studio at home. So
it's you just become less and less Like I would
get home and Okay, I've really got to finish this
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thing because Ken Miller needs it by tomorrow night. You know,
it needs to be submitted and go into the edit
and stuff. And we shoot it in two days. So
it was like I just the I can't. I was
coming from a very a place of like, this is
a machine, and I didn't feel the same like appreciation
(41:57):
for it at the time because it was so hard,
don't know, it was so hard making that show. By
the end, we were it was a crazy, greased up
machine that we were just sort of in on. And
I always say, you know, the personal stuff and the
things that we were going through at times, and I
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to me, I'm always curious to have those conversations with
people because it's like, God, I know what I was
going through, Like what were you going through at that point?
Because you hear mixed stories and it's like, Okay, people
aren't you know, we aren't like normally difficult people, but
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we were going. We were there for ten years and
we went through difficult things. So how then did those
come across on set when we were just having those
days where it was like, I can't I.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Think people I felt in general, not even now looking back,
I feel like people the crew, our bubble, they had
such compassion I think for us as just humans and
what was being asked of us and what we were
going through developmentally or in our home lives. And I
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always felt that they had places in their heart to
really give us that allowance to kind of sure not
do great sometimes. So that was a good thing that
we had.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's all about having that support system they were we
through all ten seasons. Even though crew changed and yeah,
people in positions changed, it was still they came into
a machine that was already running a certain way. So
they stepped in and I think quickly found their footing
(43:50):
within it. I remember playing Backammon with Billy Greens like
towards the end, because he just came in and was like,
just got it. Everybody they came in got it. You know,
when we were cycling through makeup and hair and the
trailer and guest stars and things like. We really had
this machine going at that point, and it was a
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real God it shouldn't have worked as well as it did,
but it worked. I mean we were a very complicated bunch,
but also incredibly professional, like incredibly just showing up for your.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Call time at six am every day?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, what for sure?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Sixteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty year old person is
that responsible.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Especially at the height of success.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, we had right when there's tons of stuff going
on at home in your personal.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Life crazily just spun out of control and not been there.
So no, we held it together. Surprisingly wealthy.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I'm proud of us, speaking of the support of environment.
You know, this episode was dedicated to car to my
makeup artist. Do you remember him?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I do, Carlos Yankey, Yeah, yeah, I remember just being
so you know, one day he did my makeup and
the next day he was dead. Like it was so traumatic.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I remember when he didn't show up and everybody was like,
Where's where's Carlo, What's going on? And then that he
passed and was like wait what Yeah, shocking overnight.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I remember just being so thrown again.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
We were young, like I to hear it. Now it's
I I can wrap my head around it a little easier.
But at that point we were young and loss just
was not It wasn't on my radar at all. Like
I still felt like a superhero.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, Carlos, this one was for you, and I'm missed
you ever since. So yeah, let's talk about Donna and
David's storyline. Okay and David, they're starting to get all
like Lucy Goosey, heat it up. They remember that scene
duck duck What was it, Lucy goosey, duck duck goose goosey,
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You remember that. I don't know what. It just popped
into my head was when Jim and Cindy went to
the the jacuzzi with the swingers. You don't remember that, now,
I see, I do remember things.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Because you've watched them. Yeah, you have that like you're
you're so lucky. You could be lucky to Brian mm hmmm, No,
because I would have to watch seven seasons of this
thing to catch up.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I'm telling you, we don't, binge. We watched one at
a week. That's the fun part of it is that
we're watching it like they had to watch it back then.
Back then, yeah, we're not allowed to. Sometimes I believe
the rules, but I.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Mean, you're not allowed the rules against How would anybody
know we can dinge all ten years over a weekend
and then just pretend like you're watching one a week.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I actually would not be able to do that because
I wouldn't have any retention for what episode?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay, So Donna and David they're getting more in love,
and so.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Donna and David had it's I in watching that, it
was a hard one for me to follow because I
was like, wait, okay, where you know, I whenever I
see little flashes of things, I most of the time
judge by hairstyle, where we were in life and what
was going on, It's like, oh okay, David out of
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shaved head. Okay, so that was what like, you know,
I put those things together. So I yeah, they seemed
like romantically like things were great. But I.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
And he says he's finally understands now her desire to
wait until she's married to have sex with him, right,
which is so big. That's like a in that moment
when he's like, I finally get it, it felt do
you he do you think he didn't get it? You
just said that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't know only because just I feel like you
got it storylines and the stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, but he was like, he's been he's he's worked.
You didn't see this part, but he's been frustrated, he's
we've seen all this, like the things that he had
to work through. But now he really loves her and
so this means something to him too, which I think
is in that one line you say, I'm not waiting
for you, I'm waiting for us, and that was Oh
(48:37):
I got the.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Chick, incredibly sweet.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Mm hmmm. And as a viewer, you're like, Donna and
David are so cute together, David and they're young love.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
You want them to.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Succeed, You want her to So it's coming, it's happening soon.
The weight is almost over.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
My friend. But then I know that it goes south
at some point.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I don't. But apparently there are other boyfriends at donna house. Yeah,
and I'm like, wait, what we've worked so hard.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
To get it comes in right? Isn't right? After? No?
Before this?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But there's more to come. There's more boys. Apparently there's
three more three more seasons, two more seasons.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Almost Yeah, it can't just be like other in love
and then we ride that out to the end. That
wasn't the style of our show now and there when.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
You think about it, there is actually so much more
to see before it ends that I don't know how
they're going to cram all of this stuff for each
of these characters in the next two seasons, but they will.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I will see it. So did you feel like as
David though, were you as Brian, were you asking for
them to move the relationship along with Donna? Or because
were you did you want to continue that story Learner?
Were You're like, I gotta go do other things. Do
you remember?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, I really like that David and Donna's storyline historically,
like I thought there was I thought it was really sweet,
and it was really young and genuine, and I love
the fact that our characters kind of went in different
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directions and experienced things, but then we always kind of
found each other at the end of it all, and
the characters came back together. And I know that that happened.
A few times watching this, I was like, oh my god,
they're back together now, and.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
You've had some Yeah, you've done some things, sir.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, we did. We had some obstacles, we had some
people around. It was a it was a really sweet.
It was sweet, but it got like really spicy, like
there was.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
They're making like hardcore making making out in the restaurant,
in the in the peach pit, they're making out at
Mother's Day breakfast or whatever. I was like, oh my god,
get a room, you guys.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Appropriate, super inappropriate, Like why are we standing off at
the you know, yeah, it's a Mother's Day brunch and
they're sitting at the table and they're so calm. They're like, oh, look,
how sweet that is.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
No, I would not my as a mother. I would
not say that. As a mother. I'd be like, oh
my god, can you guys stop?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
What are they doing? You'd be yelling stop it.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
But I did ask myself, why are you Why would
you wear that giant T shirt to the Mother's Day breakfast?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
It's because that's all I wore. It was Giant T shirts, Giant.
That was one of the things in watching the show
is I was watching wardrobe going, oh my god, those
pants were huge. And it wasn't just mine. Jason had
some pants on at one point walking on the beach.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Well, he had his big giant dockers, Like what are
those called big dockers?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
She knows, Yeah, they were massive.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And I remember he didn't want to take his shoes
off on that beach scene. So Kelly is walking, because
you do when you walk on the beach, take your.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
If you do. Except we shot at very questionable beaches.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That's true. We were on like Venice Beach or something,
for sure, dodging needles exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, so I understand not wanting to take your shoes.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
So, yeah, David and Donna went for it. And then
the whole David and Valerie storyline was funny because I
don't I didn't remember that, Like, I didn't remember that
David is the one that bought her or in watching this,
bought Valerie out of the club.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I don't even know if that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I didn't even remember that David owned.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
He's a part owner, and yeah, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
But Steve is the one that started.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
He was like the man, Yeah he was, Like I
thought he was going to be the guy behind it,
but it ended up being you. And now she's conniving
this character. Val has almost no redeeming qualities really other
than she's beautiful, right, and sometimes we see the soft
side of her. Sometimes we do see like the reason
(53:05):
why she is the way she is, but not enough
because she does so many devilish things like right, like
this like purposefully come like you see her wheels turning?
Speaker 2 (53:17):
How does this end up? Does it? Does David buy?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
I hope?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
So I don't know the club? I mean I assume
because David's like, yeah, get the paperwork together.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, he goes, You're out of business.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Ouch. I love, I love like the bad scene ending
lines You're out of business as he storms out, and like,
you know, I thought he was so cool, like such
a dopey line. Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Good, ridiculous. She got exactly what she wanted again, but
it will eventually backfire her on her because she's conniving
with Kelly's dad at this point, she's conniving with with
the the guy that works for Kelly's dad Corn that character.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Right. Wait, so Kelly's dad runs.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
The No, She's pulled him into this web of hers
thinking this is how I'm gonna get back at Kelly. Ultimately,
I'm gonna get her dad.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
To Like I was watching this and I was like, wait,
where does this storyline go? Because corn have the whole
thing of like, oh, your money's going to go into
this and then it's all gonna be great and you're
gonna be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Does she then
lose it all?
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like, I don't know, that's why you watch next week.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, you just have to tell me.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Okay, I'll send you the synopsis.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
I'll see you at the next convention and you'll be like,
so here's the t Valerie lost it all.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, and we see also the breaking down kind of
of Claire and Steve's relationship. It's it's been happening like
it's they're just not good together. I know Amy, who
(55:00):
usually does the show with us, she's super fan Jesus
cannot stand the character of val and oh really, and
she cannot stand the relationship between Steve and Claire really
because she's like, they're always fighting. It's not fun to watch.
It's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Stephen Claire were a fun relationship though, when they like
I So, I don't. And I think it was because
you know we would do these We didn't. We weren't
doing our table reads at this point. It wasn't until
like season eight nine ten, that we were kind of
sitting in the office and doing those, so I had
no idea what the other storylines were.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I know, we were always only doing our storylines.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah. I would just read through the script.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I'd go, okay, but my part, my part, my part.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, because we were getting so many scripts.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, we didn't have time to watch to read the
whole thing, and we never had read through, so we
didn't I didn't know anything that was happening with the
other characters. That's again why it's so fun to watch,
because you're like, oh man, there's so much more to
the show than.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I remember, knew who knew? Yeah, you can watch as
a viewer and it's like you're kind of subjective on
those storylines because you have no idea. So you see
like the cliffhanger element of it and the shock and
the oh my god, what's coming next.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I thought the guys in this episode all really showed
up so great, Like you were great with Donna, patient
kind understanding. Brandon was what he was with Kelly and Steve,
even though he had to get there himself because he's
very short on patients with her, like I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna I don't want to fight with
(56:38):
you anymore. And I can't control you. I can only
control myself. Right, all while his hair wasn't moving at.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
All and did not move all while they were hair
spraying him.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
He's still handling it with love. And he goes and
visits her dad, yeah, and like tries to bridge that.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Gap for her and then has like the photo album
at the end and all.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
I was crying. I was definitely I got emotional.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Of course, I'm the asshole that was looking at that
the shot going. Whose picture was that that was? Had
to have been because normally we would it would be
a crew member that we would those were the pictures.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
No, but if they go you know, when you do
work like shows, movies, whatever, and they need to see
that your character as younger, they'll use your real pictures.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
But you got to think though, like our show was before,
like especially now with AI, it's unbelievable what people can create.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Then it had to be an actual picture.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
You can have an actor you know that plays your
dad in something and just have a headshot of the
woman that played your mom and in AI put them
two together, put the two of them together and say, hey,
create a bridge between these actors and make them look
like family for a photo, and it'll print out and
you're like, oh my god, I can see the resemblance
(57:58):
in a subtle way. We didn't have that, so it
was always like these random crew pictures were like, who
the fuck is that on a wake board?
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Like that does I zeroed? And that had to have
been Kathleen, Like, there's no denying that was her as
a baby, and so I'm assuming that that and the
mom did look just like the baby, So I'm assuming
that was her real mom, which must have been. And
I don't remember if Kathleen still had her mom with
her or just so alive, or if they were close
(58:26):
or not. But I just thought like, as an actress,
that must have been helpful to have that visual of
her real mom, you know, to play that kind of
really emotional moment there that made.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
It was really really great at finding at like truly
connecting with those emotions and those things, like the the
little bits I've seen here and there, And then I
remember working with it, like we worked together a lot
near the end, did you. Yeah, they because they put
(58:59):
David and Claire together.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
No, you've already had your thing? Did we in the
beginning of Claire? No, but now it's come I think
she's leaving the show soon, Lorraine. When does Claire's character
leave the show again?
Speaker 2 (59:13):
No, I feel like she was there.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
I think it's this season, at the end of the season,
then eight.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
The end of seven.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
But she is great.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
To do three seasons without Kathleen Robertson, there's no way,
is there.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah? Maybe end of seven she leaves and the seven Okay,
I mean when for that for that matter, for that point,
like I Shehannon, just being in three seasons of the show,
I know, it blows my mind because I'm like, wait,
what that seemed like a lot longer than three seasons.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Right, yeah, how wait what season was it when Gabrielle left?
Speaker 1 (59:51):
We already saw that. So that was the season five
she had a baby and moved, but then she came back.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
I love having I love the fact that it's two
people with such terrible memories.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, we're just physically right now, we're just.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Like, I don't I literally don't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know, people are listening right now being like, oh,
they don't even know what they're talking about. You have
no idea why do you do your research?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
David was wearing the purple shirt I love, Like Darren
knows all of that stuff. Oh, David was wearing like
a crocodile thing with the thing when he walked into
the so and he and he entered the room, you know,
left foot first, Like he knows the details of stuff,
and I'm like, none of it. No. People ask me
what was your favorite episode, and it's like, I don't.
(01:00:38):
I honestly don't remember an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Do you know what I say to that? Every time?
I always say the pilot because it's the only one
I can truly remember.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Right, And the pilot was and it was special, yeah,
like Tim Hunter directing it, Like I remember, I remember
it all, and I remember us being on set and
being like this is so cool, Like this is really
fun doing something like this because I'd never seen it before,
it had never been done before.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I always wish like that the show could have kept
that that look, the visual even just the visual, how
do you though? Like how because it was so like
real and raw, like like an eighties rom com. We
had no sets and then we just got confined to
those walls on stages and the blocking and you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Know, college I remember walking on the stage and seeing
the college and going, oh my god, they have like
the quad, they have all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
It was massive.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
We don't really need to go to Occidental College to
shoot anything.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh it's not sacked. We loved getting out of that
warehouse so nice.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I loved going to Occidental.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Any other characters we should talk about. We talked about
Val and her crazy scheme to get you to buy
the club.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I'm curious to see if she goes broke.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yes, me too, I don't know what's going to happen.
And then the Clarence Steve line. I think, you know,
I think they're going to be breaking up soon.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
How could they not? They don't like each other.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
They just like to have the makeup sex.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
It was a sweet moment at the end with Steve
and Claire and the photo album.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it was so sweet. But do you love when
you watch Especially when I watch Iron acting, it's just
so much fun, Like I am, I have pure joy
watching him all the time because you never know what
he's going to do or say, like when he was
singing in the shower, it's just the last word.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I'd like. I saw the things like uh, when Brandon
sticks his head into talk and then he did like
the pull himself out of the doorway. And I saw that,
and I was like, oh my god, I remember that.
We would like we would fit those in every scene.
We could like that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I forgot about all the little things, all the little moments. Yeah,
all the little stuff that we did, like good nighty.
Remember that good nighty. I said that to him recently
in Belgium.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Nice nighty.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I reminded him that the other day in when we
were in Belgium, and it made him laugh. He was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Well, I'm just this has been the best having you
on the show, and we.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Have accomplished nothing. This has been, for the most part,
I would say, a really poor job at recapping an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, So if you're looking at hiring us just purely
to recap things, you might want to rethink that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Look, I'm doing my best.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
If you if you are looking to find two people
reminiscing in a fun way, you've come to the right place.
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Well, it's fun because you know, people listening grew up
with us. They feel so connected. Yeah, for sure, which
we know now from you know, being able to meet
our fans at cons.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And I get it. I understand it for sure. Best.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Well, I really appreciate you standing in for Torry today.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Of course, Jen, this is super fun. Thank you for
asking me to come in and do this.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I'm glad that you are available.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I so am my. It was super fun to watch
an episode because I was yay.
Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I'm glad you liked it. Okay, good. I have to
remind everybody that next week we have season seven, episode
thirty coming up Senior week, so be sure to watch
it so we can rip it apart.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
What is so we can tell you everything that we
don't remember about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
What is everybody wearing? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Okay, thanks Brian, I love you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Bye, everyone, I love you too,
It's nine O Gen one O Engine with Jenny Garth
and Tory Spelling. We are here. Oh my gosh, you
guys welcome to another episode of nine oh two one
oh MG. And you guys are gonna omg right about now,
(00:20):
because get ready for it. We have a guest host today.
I'll let you just speak and then they'll know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's it's me, Tory spelling.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I know that was terrible. It's it's fine.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We have Brian Green with this today. This is so exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm in co hosting, filling in for Tory.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You're filling in for Tory, which is so nice of you.
We have never had you on the pod so well.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So what's funny is I was sent an episode to
watch last night.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I did, and I realized as I was watching through it,
I've never watched a full episode of the show before.
Was that a digital remaster of the show? Like I
know that those just released?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, those are from Darren? Is that from Darren Mark? Yes,
he sent the stick and we're able to use it.
It's so much easier because some of the episodes are hidden,
some of them are not on this platform or that
platform for whatever reasons.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was shocked how good it looked. I know, like,
I yeah, it looks like aside from the fact that
it's like square format, which is odd to see, it
looked really good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wait, it's odd to see square format because the TVs
used to be square.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What they did? Yeah, because the TVs were square? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Wait a second, when did they become rectangles?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I know that's what's you You missed that time. Apparently
that was like the end. I think it was the
end of the nineties when it started. Really when a
HD came up. HD is the by ten forty format,
so it's all of a sudden, that's why you have
like the wide screen everything now. So yeah, I used
to be square and our show fit on a square
(02:12):
square screen. Oh mab so any of the old shows
that you watch, not just of nine O, two, one zero,
but of anything, they're all square.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
To look at that little lesson technology lesson.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Thanks. See that's why I'm here. That's that male energy.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, the male energy is in the house today, guys.
But I'm so glad that I I yeah, I was
a little busy at the end of the nineties. I
don't know about you, but I miss that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I was so busy. I literally never watched our show.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think that's great, here's watching it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And I was going like there were storylines where I
was like, oh my god, get out of here, right,
like Kelly being pregnant and the whole time.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
All the thing about this podcast is that Toy and
I had never watched it back and now we've watched
every single episode and it's been mind blowing and like
so cathartic.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
In good way. Yes, and it really it's been. I
was watching that episode, Oh my god, the choices that
I made and what was I doing with my hair?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Did my shirt fit that way? Like I was picking up.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh, that's what happens. But then you kind of get
sucked in. So the more you watch, I did not
don't even see those.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm way too I'm way too narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
To get something so vain. So I think the song
this show is about you, but it really is. So Okay, Brian,
I was so happy you're here. Today. We are going
to recap the heck out of this show, you and me.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We're talking about season seven, episode twenty nine. Mother's Day
aired Day seventh, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They sent me the right episode that would have sucked.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No you, I heard you say, this is the right one.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead give me that snops.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay. First of all, can I just say how great
it was seeing Joey Tata Kathleen in the opening credits.
I was like, Oh, that's so. It's so cool because
like it automatically brought me back to the time period
when we were doing it, and I remember it was
so exciting when it was like, oh, NAT's going to
be in the opening. Yeah, very it was very joined
(04:22):
the kids and my my buddy Corn was in it.
Ornemic here he was on the show. Quirky.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Quirky, Yeah, quirky. But it's good. I think it's appropriate
that he changed his name to korn. I well, I
mean is just a little yeah, I mean for a
guy his age now is.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It kind of like when people change from like Joe,
Like Joey Lawrence changed to Joe Lawrence. It's like, I
you're known as Joey. I don't know, Like it's weird.
Like I did his podcast and I kept calling him
by his name and I was like, dude, I can't
help it, Like I you're Joe, it happened, and he
was like, of course, no problem.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Do you want to read the synopsis or shall I you? Okay,
it's an oive mother's day. Kelly is positively freaking out
when ant flow doesn't come as planned, but Brandon Walsh
takes the news like a man. Valerie plots a pea
pad scheme that's a real stinker. Of course. Donna and
(05:24):
David fall hook line and sinker. Meanwhile, Steve finds out
that it's going to take a lot more than fresh
air to fix his relationship with Claire. Directed by Chip Chalmers,
written by the beautiful Jessica Klein. This is our producers.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh okay, yeah, that was like on the DVDs in
the box sets.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And no, no, no, no, the producers of this podcast.
Lorraine writes it to be specific.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because she's the producers of our show.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Okay, yeah, no, they have nothing to do with this podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Brian got it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, let's see here. What do we want to talk
about first? Which storyline do you want to jump into?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So well, let's let's let's try and I I don't
have it in front of me. But let's try and
kind of cover it in order, Okay, I think right.
So the first the first thing we see, you see
is Kelly worried because she's six and a half days late, right,
(06:23):
six and a half. Yeah, I watched it this morning.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I'm glad you got the half in there. I forgot
about that. I just thought she was a few days late.
But six and a half days. That's six and a
half day yep.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And you make a point of saying, Okay, well now
I'm six and a half days late. So it's like
that's the only reason that it's stuck out in my
mind because that was a that was a line.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh okay, good, I'm so glad you were listening. So, yeah,
she's late and she's freaking out. You know, this whole episode,
just in general, for me, was a very emotional, emotion full.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Episode for you, for Kelly.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
For me as a view a fan.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
As a viewer, got okay, no, I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That there were so many great moments in this show.
Yeah that you know, sometimes it doesn't all come together
and everybody's kind of doing something else and there's no
like thread through the whole thing. But this with the
mother's day theme of it all and how that affected
the different characters in different ways, and I thought it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Was Yeah, it was. It was interesting for sure. There.
So of course, again as I said before, and watching it,
I was like, I'm watching all the things going wait,
but you know, the characters just came from this scene.
So why like, doesn't the continuity of the you know,
of the tension matched into the So I'm picking apart
all of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, I love that about you because that's what I
do well, because we just know too much.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was a job for us.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, and maybe sometimes we didn't do our job that great.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I would bet that I didn't do my job very
well like ninety eight percent of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
No, I would say like maybe one of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Good okay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But I did love seeing our characters together in this episode.
And I loved just the vulnerability of not just Kelly
with the pregnancy, but also Donna with her relationship, and
also David. You were very vulnerable with the the you know,
evil twixting of val and that kind of Wait.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Can I ask you a question because I don't remember
and I don't watch any I haven't really seen any
of them as I said before, how did David end
up owning part of the After Dark? How? Like? How
did because you've seen up until this point, so he
how did he come into the money to do that?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
How did that happen? Because I was watching it going wait,
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, I'm just gonna guess because you know me, Brian,
I don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You do this podcast. I know that's what.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I watched the episode and I'm like, wait, what happened
last season? No idea got it? Okay, but I think
you got money from Grandma and Grandpa. You inherited some money,
and then you wanted to invest in the peach Pit
after Dark with Val? Were you guys boyfriend and girlfriend
at that time? I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think we must have been, because she then uses
that as a ploy to get me to buy her
out of.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Let me ask you this question in this one? Were
you Okay? So you guys dated in I r L Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What in? What? In? I r L Yeah? What does
that mean? Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
In real life?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh god, it's one of those new fangled right L
O L I R yes, yes, sure?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So when did you guys date what do you remember
what years? Because I mean, that's a I don't know
what when I dated who?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But so we were actually dated. When when did she
first come on? Season five?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This is the fun part about show. You're going to
ask me all these questions.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And you're not going to know any of the answers. No, Well,
welcome to this very special episode, this very special elderly
like dementia.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Our listeners know that I have a terrible memory. I'm
not lying, and they know that this happens to every people.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
With horrible short term memory, and those and the swabs
at the beginning of COVID, those long ones didn't help.
So I'm just gonna yeah, oops, yeah, those were We'd
get to the end and I'd be like, did I
eat breakfast this morning? I don't remember it all You
you just scrubbed it all the way.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, you guys did when she came on the show.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So you're so we were already dating when she came
on the show.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You were already dating, right.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And then we had broken up by the point when
we were.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Dating on the show.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay, Oh yeah, that's the that's the really fun like
you know that moment. Yeah, it was like Okay, now
we've we've broken up, and now you're playing romantic.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Because in the beginning she was playing love interests with
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh my god, how was that. I talked about it before.
I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Oh my, I can imagine I.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because that was my first relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And you guys, were you like lived together ish shung.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, we did live together. She lived in my house.
And how old were years?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Seventeen?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I was seventeen or eighteen when we started, when we
started actually dating, playing adults. Yeah, it was like it
was a very I remember. It was a big like
decision that I made and it was a big thing
for me. So then when we when we broke up,
then all of a sudden they wrote the characters together,
which is that that was just their classic form of torture.
(11:43):
That's what twelve people don't know that the writers on
nine O two one Oh, I think liked to, like
in the closet torture us a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That sounds really inappropriate, but.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They would give us storylines where it was like really
rough for us, and everybody else was like this is
a great storyline. It was like, nah, this is a
little too on the on the head for me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, I always knew that there was that you are
uncomfortable with her, with all the other love interests. But
then to be broken was the crazy Did you do
anything crazy ever in like a fit of rage? You know,
like el Zeno, did you ever like lose your ship?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Nobody ever did in el Zeno ever, Like I don't
know if I've ever known anybody in life that pulled
in el Zeno the way iron.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
We talk about that. We laugh about that because guys
that you're listening, maybe you want to explain it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Prime Oh god, el Zeno was to come in that
morning and to see the carnage of the hallway and
the chair sticking out of the wall, and the mailboxes
in the front, like you could tell they were crooked,
so somebody tried ripping them down, Like were you like
window was broken on the front. Yeah. I remember walking
(12:51):
through going what.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Did anybody but tell you what had happened? Or they're like,
uh no.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It wasn't until I walked back in the front I
was like, why is there a chair sticking out of
the all in the ladies room and and they I
remember we had one of the red rolling lights and
that was just completely destroyed on the on the ground,
and they were like, oh yeah, I didn't like. He
watched the episode last night and some stuff was edited
out that he was really proud of. I was like,
(13:17):
oh no.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, a big day.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That was a big day.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But we, of course, because we're family, just liked to
continually give him shit about that for the rest of
his life.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We coined El Zeno because that was during El Nino.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Which is a big like storm, right, Yes, for.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Sure, that was a big That was a big storm.
They came out of out of Mexico, out of the
coast there, so it was everything was like El Nino,
La Nina came in, so El Nino and then El
el Xeno.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I loved it. He probably hates it. He probably hates
it just as much as that picture that we always
loved to show, which she hates.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh my god, the one of him bending over going
Oh it's cool. I okay, you know what I hold on.
You know what I did make a note of I
have I wrote, I've never seen hair move as little
as irons. He was driving a convertible and it never moved.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Wow. Very observant.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He was in the car driving and it's like, well,
he has short hair, even short hair though you're in
a convertible.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
If you were driving in a convertible, if David was
driving in a convertible, your hair wouldn't move either.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I was reminded how much hair spray we used on that,
and how much Jelle I was using. That just wasn't
I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wait a second, you're telling me you can't watch it
and go back and appreciate that guy, that young man
and his charm and his good looks.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
How were you when you first started doing this?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Honestly, I was at a real pivotal place in my
life where going back it was the right moment for
me to go back and embrace that person in such
a loving, gentle way. So normally I don't watch my work.
I don't I don't enjoy watching my anything. I don't
like somebody else do that for me. Yeah, but this
(15:11):
has been a whole different experience because now as a
grown woman and realizing you know what your past, how
it leads your life, and you know what things stick,
what things don't, what things really shaped you. Yeah, and
this show was a massive part of my upbringing and
(15:32):
all of our like you know, total like teenage, purely
like adolescent, all those really important developmental years.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's hard for me to not watch stuff when I
was younger acting in it and not immediately be brought
back to what was going on in my life when
I was doing that. So like nine O two one oh,
for me, when I watch old episodes where I see
little things, it reminds, it takes me right back to
(16:00):
and immediately I'm like, oh my god, I was so
like I had zero self confidence. Like I remember I
remember being in the peach pit after dark set and
it being full of people, and I was so like,
I was so stressed about how everybody perceived me in
(16:21):
what I was doing, and I would be I would
get so like incredibly embarrassed. And you know, normally as
an actor, like you try and get on a set
and you try and put all that away and go
it's a character. But the characters, those were us by
season seven, and.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I don't think we were seasoned enough as actors to
really be able to delienate that, you know, make the difference.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And they we weren't written The characters weren't written differently.
They were written as us yeah, And I always say
the time, people like it was easier for me earlier
on in the show as an actor because they had
very clear like concepts in mind of what David Silvia
(17:08):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I loved David Silver pilot episode, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
My God, much so did I. And I got to say, like,
I had way more self confidence playing an absolutely dopey
dude that every like everybody wanted to push out of
the web. Like I loved it. It was really fun,
Like I would enjoy the reactions that I got from
from people on set in saying things and doing things.
(17:35):
And then as soon as the character started becoming more
and more like me, and I started getting really self
conscious of like, oh my god, now people are viewing
David Silver, but it's such a combination of myself and
this character. Ooh. If they think something's dopey and ridiculous,
they think I'm dopey and ridiculous. So it was it
(17:58):
became harder and harder to separate and differentiate between the two.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, And I think at that time too, as young,
you know, yeah, people, we didn't have that sort of
like sense of confidence.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We were seventeen when we started shooting, So from seventeen
to twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You act like you were so much younger than me.
I was seventeen, wasn't I?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, I was?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Was I old than I am? Well?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
How by how much?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know, And I don't want to call it
out here because.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm fifty three. How old are you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I'm fifty two, so you're one year older?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So okay, okay, one year older? Whoop do you do?
I'm one year older? Sorry.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Didn't you feel a difference though, age wise between Tory
and I and you? And no? No?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think because I was kind of in the middle,
so I could go both ways, you know, I didn't feel.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I remember our stuff was always super fun, but like I,
I always felt like you were way older than me
because that's what we played like. That was the relationship
with the characters in the beginning, and again in the beginning,
they were such carved out.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Characters, very specific.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, so it was like, oh, we hated each other,
and Kelly was horrified when David was around, and David
just you know, couldn't look past doubt. Oh my god,
completely obsessed. And it was so much fun. Like I
remember when we were shooting stuff and we would be
laughing at like how ridiculous it was, and we would
be coming up with these ridiculous ways of playing stuff,
(19:38):
and then that just that gave way to sort of
this mundane Oh my god, we're playing versions of ourselves. Yeah,
how do how do you know? It was? It was
really hard differentiating. I remember by the time it ended,
I was I had started coming around and like finding
(20:00):
my self confidence again. But it was really it took
a while.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh I know, I watched the whole thing. I saw
this young not you know boy coming off of a
big show. You had this confidence about you even though
you were the younger guy, and you were so comfortable
in that place. And then I saw as you grew
up and you know, things changed for you personally, and
(20:27):
then work obviously changed because of it. Like I saw
all the growth in that period, and I do. I
do remember like you coming back sort of like owning
your power and your voice and your position there. And
by the end, which was nice, Yeah, yeah, it was.
(20:47):
We were all doing it. We were all trying to
figure it out.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, we all sort of found We went through a lot.
Like I was, I was thinking back to, like I
remember working in my studio at home with Dan and
like work on music and stuff, Like wait.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Really, oh yeah this is Dan. He's talking about my
first husband's husband, not legal, but first husband. I got
married to him.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I crazy. I sat in the studio we were
working on stuff because you had.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Did I ask you? I was like, can you help him?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I feel like you did.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like, were you like, hey, let's jam buddy?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No? No, no no, because we our styles were very different.
He was like alt rock and I was hip hop.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So then you asked like, oh, can you guys work
on on some stuff? And I was like, I guess,
like we can try and combine the two. It never
went anywhere so trying.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, thanks for trying. But it's just I mean, we
could talk a long time I think about because you
and I've never really sat down had a conversation about
the impact that the show had on us in our development, yeah,
and how that ended up for us now here today.
There's a lot to unpack there, which I I love.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That would be a very special episode of.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
All Right. So Kelly might be pregnant, Kelly might be pregnant.
Donna's a very good friend.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Donna's very good friend. I remember that there was the
scene where was it Donna that reached out to Brandon
was like, you need to get over here right now,
and he was like panicked, And.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
No, I think it was Kelly. I mean, Donna said
you should call him, and then Kelly called him, okay,
and because she just was like she needed some support
stuff with you.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And Jason was really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I really believe it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really well, like really connected and it seemed like a
really loving.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, he was a champ, like you know. Of course,
she was nervous to tell him and terrified and completely
just out of her mind, and I think that really translated.
And I think that his reaction was written so beautifully
because that's probably not the typical reaction from a guy
his he's twenty two, maybe sure, but I think that
(23:14):
it was I know I instantly fell back more whatever
in love with Brandon and Jason in that moment because
he was so dear and kind and gentle, yeah, impatient.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, he was great. He was very just very mature
in the way that he handled it like it's It
was funny to watch because like I've always known, like, oh,
Brandon was this character that was sort of the moral
the morality of the show like he you know, Brandon
and Brenda were the two that like brought us back
(23:48):
to what is right? So, like I remember when he
was gone, it was a little kind of like, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Now wait, Dad's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What are we going to know? Who was that? Like? Yeah,
now what are we going to do?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, he handled that really did well though. Like as
an actor, I was, I really enjoyed watching the stuff
with Kelly and Brandon.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So this aired in nineteen ninety seven and we are
openly talking about teenage abortion. What other show was doing
that at this time? I mean maybe by this time
we had had other.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Late nineties, I think there were other.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Shows life and different shows.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Party of five was on. I think it was people
were starting to like really get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I never watched any of those shows. I don't know
if you did. I never had any time to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I did see a couple episodes of Party of Five.
That show was fantastic, Like they had really I remember
Scott Wolf was dealing with alcoholism and drug abuse or
his character was, and it was like they did a
they brought everybody together and they started it was just
(24:59):
really well all handled this though, was really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean I didn't feel like as a viewer,
I wasn't. I didn't know that this was coming. Like
I you know, this whole storyline I never saw coming,
and I was like, whoa, Okay, we're going there. And
I know that I Jenny was pregnant in real.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Life, so I could so I could tell that you
were hiding it in scenes. And when you came out
in the very beginning and you had like a nightgown
like pajamas, I could see the belly underneath, and I
was like, oh, she was already high.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay, yeah, this is the year of Luca's birth, so
that Luca. I think it's interesting that they wrote did
they write this in? I don't know if that came from,
you know, me being really pregnant or just a great story,
like crazy thing for the characters. It couldn't have been
a coincidence. I think, you know, we know what we
(25:57):
know about how they really tried to use us as
real teenagers and get storylines from our real lives. So
but I she's she's tested pregnant on the drug store test,
and she's going to go to the doctor, So I
do not know if she really is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I do not know what, Yeah, what is the outcome?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm not gonna have to watch more episodes, but I'm
definitely intrigued. I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I think you should join us every week from here
on out watching an episode. O.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Thank thank you for the infante. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Let me tell you ask you why why does it
you just can't watch yourself or is it the show
and as a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's a I don't It's just like there was a
lot going on for me time wise. I so like
I did watch the show and think, oh my god,
Like I really feel like there were some missed opportunities
of like some funny stuff and whatever the reboot that
we did, you know, and I wish we had, like
(27:03):
just because because the show was incredibly melodramatic. You think
you're watching these storylines and you're going, oh my god,
and then like the sad music plays through and the.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Things actor looks away.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
God. Yeah, it was all like you know, in the
camera moves and the things the zooms is, So it
would have been that would have been super funny to
like do more of reboot. I always had a very different,
like meta concept for the reboot of we were already
doing this rebooted show, so it was like this like
(27:38):
behind the scenes, but then also on set on the characters,
so people got a little more of a book.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
We were trying to get there, but we didn't have
enough ramp onto that freeway.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, that's a that was
a hard show. I think too, like re reboot, because
the audience there are like our diehard audience. They wanted
something that we weren't willing to give. I gave.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I still think we were willing or ready or I
gave ten years. I mean, because I remember having the
initial conversation with you and thinking, I don't know if
he's going to do it. He's really on the fence.
But you did see it as an opportunity to do
something different, in new and refreshing and come at it
from a different angle.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I remember I really championed that idea because it was
like listen, I genuinely felt like, if anything was going
to bring it back together, a concept like that would
be the thing, because if it was just a straight reboot,
Oh we want you to come back, We're going to
see where David Silver is now, and you know, and
you were very against that. I was like, nope, that
(28:47):
was and that had been brought to us a few
different times.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well let me ask you this then, or do you
still feel the same way. Would you would you never
play David Silver again?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh? Yeah, you would?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Or you would?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You would never say yes to a reboot of that,
like where you're playing a straight character. Never is a
very strong word.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There would have to be something really interesting about it.
I wouldn't want I would not want to come back
and just play continue the show.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Just random storylines, and.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, there would have to be something really interesting about
it where it was like as an actor, oh that's fun,
Like that's a that's an interesting reason for me. Something's
got to motivate me other than just doing the show
and sort of the paycheck of it, Like it's I
love the concept of doing something for the fan base,
(29:48):
but it would have to be something that fulfills me. Also,
if I'm just on set doing what we did for
ten years, I'd be miserable.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, we probably wouldn't be going for ten years. That
really doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Totally, although you never know. Yeah, who knows? How many
seasons now have you done of this.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well, we're gonna do ten because there's ten seasons in
the show.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right, Yeah, did you think you'd be doing a podcast
and doing ten seasons of it?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No? I really didn't even think that through when we
started this podcast, of course. Not no, but it goes
quicker than the first.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We never did when we were doing the show. No,
we had no call to me. It was like it
was a fun pilot. Okay, cool and nice to meet
you all, and then like.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Oh, we get to go and do this every day. Okay,
that's fun. I like the people we get to. They
have good craft service here, like my clothes.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh my god. It was so crazy to the pickups
we were getting of, like you're picked up for three
more seasons. Remember those calls where it was like you're kid,
like holy.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And thirty three episodes a season?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh my god, god, so many episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, bananas, bananas. We did it though. I'm so proud
of us. We did it. We finished it, and you
know what, there's something like we've talked about it before.
I think like this is the gift that keeps on
giving and not just I'm not talking about money, I'm
not talking about fame. I'm not talking about any of that.
I'm talking about like our relationships and the depth of
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the history we all have together, and the fact that
we're just bound together for eternity, like when you know,
we've seen it, when Luke died, when Shannon died. It's
all of us, and it's going to be that way
when the rest of us go. You know, we're always
going to be associated with.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
One another, whether you like it or not, Like we
are this. I always equate us to like plane crash
survivors that have this shared experience that nobody else understands
except for the people that were in it, and so
our bond through it all. Oh yeah, how can we
not create a bond? How it's we grew.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Up in those hallways in eyes.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We grew up in those hallways and van eyes, and
then we also grew up having the experiences we had
on weekends, like doing these appearances and these things where
it was like, oh my god, what is what's going on? Yeah?
How are this many people showing up to a thing?
Why do they give a shit that I'm there? Like
this is so this is so strange. The whole experience
(32:25):
was so surreal.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, it's still messed with your head a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Probably. I still tell stories, and I don't I don't
feel like I'm telling stories about myself, like I feel
like I'm sharing other people's stories because I don't, like
I remember the visuals of myself being in it, but
it still seems unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like an out of body thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I in an eye in Spain and like all these
crazy stories where it's like, oh my god, that's right.
Like I go to Spain now to work and there
aren't fifteen thousand people that show up at the airport instead.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's not You're like, wait, where is everybody right?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That whole? I mean, my popularity is really much like
you do an appearance and there's five people and they
like fairly clap.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm curious from a man's perspective, because there was talk
about this between Kelly and Brandon. It's your decision, it's
our decision kind of talk, like, Kelly, you get to
choose what you want to do with this, this is
your He even says it's your decision. But I was like,
(33:45):
and Kelly was very like, it's our decision. But I
do think it's It's just how did you feel about
that as a man, like if you were in that position.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think ultimately it is a the woman's decision because
you have to go through pregnancy and child like it's
it is. It's a life altering thing in very different
ways between a man and a woman. Like I think
(34:17):
I think a man's job in a lot of ways
starts more toward the end of pregnancy and childbirth. But
it's like you've got to do a woman asked to
do seven eight months on her you know, I wasn't
waking up with like morning sickness and things like that.
Like I wasn't going through those things, So it's easy
(34:40):
for me to be like, oh no, we'll make this work.
It'll be great. It's like it's sure, you know. That's
I don't know if I don't know if a man
can really say that. I think. I think when you
are married, it's a very different joint decision because now
(35:01):
it's like, how is is our life ready for this?
Whereas when you're not, it's kind of like, you know,
we were dating, we could not be dating.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
In another Yeah, it was interesting, Brandon said, like at
first he was like, we can handle a baby, we
can do this we we we wee wait, and then
it wasn't until Kelly was like, it's not we, it's me.
Is this happened to me? Yes, it's happening to you too,
but it has to end up being my choice. And
I think that scene, did you do you remember the
(35:33):
scene with Kelly and Jackie in the in the bathroom,
dark bathroom?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah? What?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Mom? Like she fully comes back at her with exactly
what she shouldn't have, like, how could you let this
happen to yourself?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Right? So I had It's it's funny, like I am
watching it. I wish because I know you could have
done it really well. I really wish that they would
have had a little more connection with Kelly being pregnant
and being emotional within all of it, just chemically on
(36:10):
top of it. So the things you were saying and
the and some of the reactions, people were like, she's
allowed to have these, but it seemed a little more
like you're watching as a rational human being and you're like, God,
she's really overacting, you know, like overreacting to this situation,
Like why is she so so frustrated or annoyed with
(36:31):
this person? And it's like, Okay, if you put yourself
in her shoes. She's going through all of it right now.
So I wish they would have like did a deeper
dive into that, because I know you could have really
played this out of that, but I think it would
have been really fun for you to do, like to
(36:51):
be to play the manic side of it all.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
She was very level headed, which I like for Kelly
because she's not always historically been level headed, right And
I think now at this stage as a character, she's
more sort of secure in herself and realizes that she's
on her own ultimately and she needs to take care
of herself, you know. I think she stopped putting that
(37:16):
on her father and on the guys that she was with,
so now she just feels like more mature, I think
for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well, and there's no more mature of a story, no,
And I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Sure that there were so many girls you know, that
had grown up with us for these seven seasons so far,
and that had experienced this, you know, or you know,
had had to have these talks with their moms or
their boyfriends, and like how much they could. I was
literally glued to the TV set just watching it as
(37:49):
a pure fan of there.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Because you've watched all the episodes leading up to it. Yeah,
you're completely invested in these characters you've created separation. I
watched this episode and I was like, oh my god,
we were on a show, you know. I see it.
I see the opening credits and I see my name,
and it's like, oh my god, like I remember. So
I'm not invested the same way. I'm way more. I
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was watching it again from a much more like narcissistic
self judging as an actor place.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I just want you to keep watching it so you
can appreciate the show fully, like the way the fans did,
you know. And I didn't realize that what even happened
to me when I started. I would be like rolling
my eyes at stuff in the beginning, but for sure,
I mean now, it's just I'm so into it. I'm
a super fan. I've got the look, I've got the
googly guys.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
This show this like I was. I was watching it
and then Noah came in and I said, oh, you
should watch this show because Noah just turned thirteen. It's
like it's it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Now did he recognize you that you?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I know? I said, I was like, this is my
old show. Oh and Zaan was in here too, the
three year old who he looked at it for a
second and was like, oh that is you know, that's you,
and then he went he flew in the other room
and did what three year olds do. Good.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
But it's but it's funny. Like I in watching it,
I could see the appeal within that age group of
what it is we were making. Because and especially that's
why I asked you in the beginning, like is this
one of the digitally remastered ones? Like what? Because it
looked so good and I was watching it genuinely going,
so it looks like a good show. Yeah, like I
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see what the kids are watching. Oh yeah, I see
all the other stuff and what we were doing like
absolutely not only hell holds up, but was really good.
Like they were. I'd see where our budget was going,
aside from you know, like paychecks to everybody. I was like, oh,
they're really The way it was shot, the way it
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was lit, the way everything it was really it was legit.
It was legit. It was a real show.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
If nothing else, take that away from you having to
watch an episode for our podcast today. It just now
like it's good to hear you like being proud of
it and recognizing.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, I really watched it, and I was like, no,
we were. It was a real It was a real
show because it didn't feel like it to me when
we were making it, because we were shooting it fan eyes.
We had these long days we were shooting the double
up episodes and the things.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We were literally just doing our job, punching our survive.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah. I was like, God, I want to get through
the days so I can get home because I have
all this other stuff going on. And so it was
like you try and get home and you had your
separate life. But then as the storylines started, they started
writing more based on what our actual lives were, it
was harder to go home and separate from the it was.
It became this really like tumultuous time near the end
(40:53):
for me, I know for sure. I was like, I
don't know how to separate the right. I want to
get home and I want to just be home and
focus on my home life. But I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But you can't cause you go home and you're like, wait,
who am I?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Really am I Do I think this way? Or do
I think that way?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I was like I was, and you know, they had
me doing all of this stuff for David. So like
later on in the run of it, like you know,
when David was performing songs on the show, like I
was making those songs in my studio at home. So
it's you just become less and less Like I would
get home and Okay, I've really got to finish this
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thing because Ken Miller needs it by tomorrow night. You know,
it needs to be submitted and go into the edit
and stuff. And we shoot it in two days. So
it was like I just the I can't. I was
coming from a very a place of like, this is
a machine, and I didn't feel the same like appreciation
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for it at the time because it was so hard,
don't know, it was so hard making that show. By
the end, we were it was a crazy, greased up
machine that we were just sort of in on. And
I always say, you know, the personal stuff and the
things that we were going through at times, and I
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to me, I'm always curious to have those conversations with
people because it's like, God, I know what I was
going through, Like what were you going through at that point?
Because you hear mixed stories and it's like, Okay, people
aren't you know, we aren't like normally difficult people, but
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we were going. We were there for ten years and
we went through difficult things. So how then did those
come across on set when we were just having those
days where it was like, I can't I.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Think people I felt in general, not even now looking back,
I feel like people the crew, our bubble, they had
such compassion I think for us as just humans and
what was being asked of us and what we were
going through developmentally or in our home lives. And I
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always felt that they had places in their heart to
really give us that allowance to kind of sure not
do great sometimes. So that was a good thing that
we had.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's all about having that support system they were we
through all ten seasons. Even though crew changed and yeah,
people in positions changed, it was still they came into
a machine that was already running a certain way. So
they stepped in and I think quickly found their footing
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within it. I remember playing Backammon with Billy Greens like
towards the end, because he just came in and was like,
just got it. Everybody they came in got it. You know,
when we were cycling through makeup and hair and the
trailer and guest stars and things like. We really had
this machine going at that point, and it was a
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real God it shouldn't have worked as well as it did,
but it worked. I mean we were a very complicated bunch,
but also incredibly professional, like incredibly just showing up for your.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Call time at six am every day?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, what for sure?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Sixteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty year old person is
that responsible.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Especially at the height of success.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, we had right when there's tons of stuff going
on at home in your personal.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Life crazily just spun out of control and not been there.
So no, we held it together. Surprisingly wealthy.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I'm proud of us, speaking of the support of environment.
You know, this episode was dedicated to car to my
makeup artist. Do you remember him?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I do, Carlos Yankey, Yeah, yeah, I remember just being
so you know, one day he did my makeup and
the next day he was dead. Like it was so traumatic.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I remember when he didn't show up and everybody was like,
Where's where's Carlo, What's going on? And then that he
passed and was like wait what Yeah, shocking overnight.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I remember just being so thrown again.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
We were young, like I to hear it. Now it's
I I can wrap my head around it a little easier.
But at that point we were young and loss just
was not It wasn't on my radar at all. Like
I still felt like a superhero.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, Carlos, this one was for you, and I'm missed
you ever since. So yeah, let's talk about Donna and
David's storyline. Okay and David, they're starting to get all
like Lucy Goosey, heat it up. They remember that scene
duck duck What was it, Lucy goosey, duck duck goose goosey,
(46:11):
You remember that. I don't know what. It just popped
into my head was when Jim and Cindy went to
the the jacuzzi with the swingers. You don't remember that, now,
I see, I do remember things.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Because you've watched them. Yeah, you have that like you're
you're so lucky. You could be lucky to Brian mm hmmm, No,
because I would have to watch seven seasons of this
thing to catch up.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I'm telling you, we don't, binge. We watched one at
a week. That's the fun part of it is that
we're watching it like they had to watch it back then.
Back then, yeah, we're not allowed to. Sometimes I believe
the rules, but I.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Mean, you're not allowed the rules against How would anybody
know we can dinge all ten years over a weekend
and then just pretend like you're watching one a week.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I actually would not be able to do that because
I wouldn't have any retention for what episode?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay, So Donna and David they're getting more in love,
and so.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Donna and David had it's I in watching that, it
was a hard one for me to follow because I
was like, wait, okay, where you know, I whenever I
see little flashes of things, I most of the time
judge by hairstyle, where we were in life and what
was going on, It's like, oh okay, David out of
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shaved head. Okay, so that was what like, you know,
I put those things together. So I yeah, they seemed
like romantically like things were great. But I.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
And he says he's finally understands now her desire to
wait until she's married to have sex with him, right,
which is so big. That's like a in that moment
when he's like, I finally get it, it felt do
you he do you think he didn't get it? You
just said that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't know only because just I feel like you
got it storylines and the stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, but he was like, he's been he's he's worked.
You didn't see this part, but he's been frustrated, he's
we've seen all this, like the things that he had
to work through. But now he really loves her and
so this means something to him too, which I think
is in that one line you say, I'm not waiting
for you, I'm waiting for us, and that was Oh
(48:37):
I got the.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Chick, incredibly sweet.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Mm hmmm. And as a viewer, you're like, Donna and
David are so cute together, David and they're young love.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
You want them to.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Succeed, You want her to So it's coming, it's happening soon.
The weight is almost over.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
My friend. But then I know that it goes south
at some point.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I don't. But apparently there are other boyfriends at donna house. Yeah,
and I'm like, wait, what we've worked so hard.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
To get it comes in right? Isn't right? After? No?
Before this?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But there's more to come. There's more boys. Apparently there's
three more three more seasons, two more seasons.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Almost Yeah, it can't just be like other in love
and then we ride that out to the end. That
wasn't the style of our show now and there when.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
You think about it, there is actually so much more
to see before it ends that I don't know how
they're going to cram all of this stuff for each
of these characters in the next two seasons, but they will.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I will see it. So did you feel like as
David though, were you as Brian, were you asking for
them to move the relationship along with Donna? Or because
were you did you want to continue that story Learner?
Were You're like, I gotta go do other things. Do
you remember?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, I really like that David and Donna's storyline historically,
like I thought there was I thought it was really sweet,
and it was really young and genuine, and I love
the fact that our characters kind of went in different
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directions and experienced things, but then we always kind of
found each other at the end of it all, and
the characters came back together. And I know that that happened.
A few times watching this, I was like, oh my god,
they're back together now, and.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
You've had some Yeah, you've done some things, sir.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, we did. We had some obstacles, we had some
people around. It was a it was a really sweet.
It was sweet, but it got like really spicy, like
there was.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
They're making like hardcore making making out in the restaurant,
in the in the peach pit, they're making out at
Mother's Day breakfast or whatever. I was like, oh my god,
get a room, you guys.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Appropriate, super inappropriate, Like why are we standing off at
the you know, yeah, it's a Mother's Day brunch and
they're sitting at the table and they're so calm. They're like, oh, look,
how sweet that is.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
No, I would not my as a mother. I would
not say that. As a mother. I'd be like, oh
my god, can you guys stop?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
What are they doing? You'd be yelling stop it.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
But I did ask myself, why are you Why would
you wear that giant T shirt to the Mother's Day breakfast?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
It's because that's all I wore. It was Giant T shirts, Giant.
That was one of the things in watching the show
is I was watching wardrobe going, oh my god, those
pants were huge. And it wasn't just mine. Jason had
some pants on at one point walking on the beach.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Well, he had his big giant dockers, Like what are
those called big dockers?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
She knows, Yeah, they were massive.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And I remember he didn't want to take his shoes
off on that beach scene. So Kelly is walking, because
you do when you walk on the beach, take your.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
If you do. Except we shot at very questionable beaches.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That's true. We were on like Venice Beach or something,
for sure, dodging needles exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, so I understand not wanting to take your shoes.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
So, yeah, David and Donna went for it. And then
the whole David and Valerie storyline was funny because I
don't I didn't remember that, Like, I didn't remember that
David is the one that bought her or in watching this,
bought Valerie out of the club.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I don't even know if that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I didn't even remember that David owned.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
He's a part owner, and yeah, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
But Steve is the one that started.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
He was like the man, Yeah he was, Like I
thought he was going to be the guy behind it,
but it ended up being you. And now she's conniving
this character. Val has almost no redeeming qualities really other
than she's beautiful, right, and sometimes we see the soft
side of her. Sometimes we do see like the reason
(53:05):
why she is the way she is, but not enough
because she does so many devilish things like right, like
this like purposefully come like you see her wheels turning?
Speaker 2 (53:17):
How does this end up? Does it? Does David buy?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
I hope?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
So I don't know the club? I mean I assume
because David's like, yeah, get the paperwork together.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, he goes, You're out of business.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Ouch. I love, I love like the bad scene ending
lines You're out of business as he storms out, and like,
you know, I thought he was so cool, like such
a dopey line. Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Good, ridiculous. She got exactly what she wanted again, but
it will eventually backfire her on her because she's conniving
with Kelly's dad at this point, she's conniving with with
the the guy that works for Kelly's dad Corn that character.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Right. Wait, so Kelly's dad runs.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
The No, She's pulled him into this web of hers
thinking this is how I'm gonna get back at Kelly. Ultimately,
I'm gonna get her dad.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
To Like I was watching this and I was like, wait,
where does this storyline go? Because corn have the whole
thing of like, oh, your money's going to go into
this and then it's all gonna be great and you're
gonna be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Does she then
lose it all?
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like, I don't know, that's why you watch next week.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, you just have to tell me.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Okay, I'll send you the synopsis.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
I'll see you at the next convention and you'll be like,
so here's the t Valerie lost it all.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, and we see also the breaking down kind of
of Claire and Steve's relationship. It's it's been happening like
it's they're just not good together. I know Amy, who
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usually does the show with us, she's super fan Jesus
cannot stand the character of val and oh really, and
she cannot stand the relationship between Steve and Claire really
because she's like, they're always fighting. It's not fun to watch.
It's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Stephen Claire were a fun relationship though, when they like
I So, I don't. And I think it was because
you know we would do these We didn't. We weren't
doing our table reads at this point. It wasn't until
like season eight nine ten, that we were kind of
sitting in the office and doing those, so I had
no idea what the other storylines were.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I know, we were always only doing our storylines.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah. I would just read through the script.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I'd go, okay, but my part, my part, my part.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, because we were getting so many scripts.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, we didn't have time to watch to read the
whole thing, and we never had read through, so we
didn't I didn't know anything that was happening with the
other characters. That's again why it's so fun to watch,
because you're like, oh man, there's so much more to
the show than.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I remember, knew who knew? Yeah, you can watch as
a viewer and it's like you're kind of subjective on
those storylines because you have no idea. So you see
like the cliffhanger element of it and the shock and
the oh my god, what's coming next.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I thought the guys in this episode all really showed
up so great, Like you were great with Donna, patient
kind understanding. Brandon was what he was with Kelly and Steve,
even though he had to get there himself because he's
very short on patients with her, like I'm not gonna
do this, I'm gonna I don't want to fight with
(56:38):
you anymore. And I can't control you. I can only
control myself. Right, all while his hair wasn't moving at.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
All and did not move all while they were hair
spraying him.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
He's still handling it with love. And he goes and
visits her dad, yeah, and like tries to bridge that.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Gap for her and then has like the photo album
at the end and all.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
I was crying. I was definitely I got emotional.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Of course, I'm the asshole that was looking at that
the shot going. Whose picture was that that was? Had
to have been because normally we would it would be
a crew member that we would those were the pictures.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
No, but if they go you know, when you do
work like shows, movies, whatever, and they need to see
that your character as younger, they'll use your real pictures.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
But you got to think though, like our show was before,
like especially now with AI, it's unbelievable what people can create.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Then it had to be an actual picture.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
You can have an actor you know that plays your
dad in something and just have a headshot of the
woman that played your mom and in AI put them
two together, put the two of them together and say, hey,
create a bridge between these actors and make them look
like family for a photo, and it'll print out and
you're like, oh my god, I can see the resemblance
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in a subtle way. We didn't have that, so it
was always like these random crew pictures were like, who
the fuck is that on a wake board?
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Like that does I zeroed? And that had to have
been Kathleen, Like, there's no denying that was her as
a baby, and so I'm assuming that that and the
mom did look just like the baby, So I'm assuming
that was her real mom, which must have been. And
I don't remember if Kathleen still had her mom with
her or just so alive, or if they were close
(58:26):
or not. But I just thought like, as an actress,
that must have been helpful to have that visual of
her real mom, you know, to play that kind of
really emotional moment there that made.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
It was really really great at finding at like truly
connecting with those emotions and those things, like the the
little bits I've seen here and there, And then I
remember working with it, like we worked together a lot
near the end, did you. Yeah, they because they put
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David and Claire together.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
No, you've already had your thing? Did we in the
beginning of Claire? No, but now it's come I think
she's leaving the show soon, Lorraine. When does Claire's character
leave the show again?
Speaker 2 (59:13):
No, I feel like she was there.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
I think it's this season, at the end of the season,
then eight.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
The end of seven.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
But she is great.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
To do three seasons without Kathleen Robertson, there's no way,
is there.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah? Maybe end of seven she leaves and the seven Okay,
I mean when for that for that matter, for that point,
like I Shehannon, just being in three seasons of the show,
I know, it blows my mind because I'm like, wait,
what that seemed like a lot longer than three seasons.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Right, yeah, how wait what season was it when Gabrielle left?
Speaker 1 (59:51):
We already saw that. So that was the season five
she had a baby and moved, but then she came back.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
I love having I love the fact that it's two
people with such terrible memories.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, we're just physically right now, we're just.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Like, I don't I literally don't remember anything.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know, people are listening right now being like, oh,
they don't even know what they're talking about. You have
no idea why do you do your research?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
David was wearing the purple shirt I love, Like Darren
knows all of that stuff. Oh, David was wearing like
a crocodile thing with the thing when he walked into
the so and he and he entered the room, you know,
left foot first, Like he knows the details of stuff,
and I'm like, none of it. No. People ask me
what was your favorite episode, and it's like, I don't.
(01:00:38):
I honestly don't remember an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Do you know what I say to that? Every time?
I always say the pilot because it's the only one
I can truly remember.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Right, And the pilot was and it was special, yeah,
like Tim Hunter directing it, Like I remember, I remember
it all, and I remember us being on set and
being like this is so cool, Like this is really
fun doing something like this because I'd never seen it before,
it had never been done before.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I always wish like that the show could have kept
that that look, the visual even just the visual, how
do you though? Like how because it was so like
real and raw, like like an eighties rom com. We
had no sets and then we just got confined to
those walls on stages and the blocking and you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Know, college I remember walking on the stage and seeing
the college and going, oh my god, they have like
the quad, they have all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
It was massive.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
We don't really need to go to Occidental College to
shoot anything.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh it's not sacked. We loved getting out of that
warehouse so nice.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I loved going to Occidental.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Any other characters we should talk about. We talked about
Val and her crazy scheme to get you to buy
the club.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I'm curious to see if she goes broke.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yes, me too, I don't know what's going to happen.
And then the Clarence Steve line. I think, you know,
I think they're going to be breaking up soon.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
How could they not? They don't like each other.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
They just like to have the makeup sex.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
It was a sweet moment at the end with Steve
and Claire and the photo album.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it was so sweet. But do you love when
you watch Especially when I watch Iron acting, it's just
so much fun, Like I am, I have pure joy
watching him all the time because you never know what
he's going to do or say, like when he was
singing in the shower, it's just the last word.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I'd like. I saw the things like uh, when Brandon
sticks his head into talk and then he did like
the pull himself out of the doorway. And I saw that,
and I was like, oh my god, I remember that.
We would like we would fit those in every scene.
We could like that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I forgot about all the little things, all the little moments. Yeah,
all the little stuff that we did, like good nighty.
Remember that good nighty. I said that to him recently
in Belgium.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Nice nighty.
Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I reminded him that the other day in when we
were in Belgium, and it made him laugh. He was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Well, I'm just this has been the best having you
on the show, and we.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Have accomplished nothing. This has been, for the most part,
I would say, a really poor job at recapping an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah, So if you're looking at hiring us just purely
to recap things, you might want to rethink that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Look, I'm doing my best.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
If you if you are looking to find two people
reminiscing in a fun way, you've come to the right place.
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Well, it's fun because you know, people listening grew up
with us. They feel so connected. Yeah, for sure, which
we know now from you know, being able to meet
our fans at cons.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And I get it. I understand it for sure. Best.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Well, I really appreciate you standing in for Torry today.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Of course, Jen, this is super fun. Thank you for
asking me to come in and do this.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I'm glad that you are available.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I so am my. It was super fun to watch
an episode because I was yay.
Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I'm glad you liked it. Okay, good. I have to
remind everybody that next week we have season seven, episode
thirty coming up Senior week, so be sure to watch
it so we can rip it apart.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
What is so we can tell you everything that we
don't remember about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
What is everybody wearing? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Okay, thanks Brian, I love you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Bye, everyone, I love you too,
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