December 13, 2021 • 57 mins
Tori and Jennie have fallen in love with Melrose Place as they recap the third episode with Jennie's final appearance that includes her heart-wrenching breakup with Jake. (90210mg! Season 3 returns in 2022 )
Jennie helps keep Tori calm as Tori's Melrose Crush, the PHENOMENAL Andrew Shue (Billy), joins them! He shares an incredible story about how Tori's Dad completely changed his life. He talks about becoming Billy and never wearing a shirt.
Plus, how his marriage to Good Morning America's Amy Robach was the inspiration for his new Children's Book!
Tori admits something to Andrew she hasn't told anyone and does an impression of her dad for the first time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy,
you guys, or should I say oh mg, we have
a very very exciting show for you today. Well, it's
not just exciting for all those listening, it's pretty exciting
(00:20):
for one of the hosts. Oh my gosh. Okay, So
her guest, our guest start today is Andrew Shoe. You guys,
I'm dying. She's so excited. Okay, is so excited because
you you know, this is our third and final, well
(00:43):
supposed final melrose Place recap show. We're talking about the
third episode, and we've heard in the first episode you
straight out of the gate were like, I love Andrew Shoe.
I have a crush on him. I had a crush
on Billy, I have a crush on Andrew. It's happening.
I'm like, yeah, like I'm having like flashback like Brian
(01:05):
Austin Green vibes right now, Like I'm getting who Yeah,
that's right. I don't bag. That's been bagged and done.
And you know how how how excited Amy Sugarman is
to be with it with us again today today to
talk about a little bit sad you guys, Like I'm
(01:28):
sad well, can we go back to Andrew Shoe for
just one second? Because okay, so we have this private
uh nine O two one OMG chat that we had,
and Amy just like she didn't like prep us or
call us and be like, hey, you guys, you know
we could get this or reaching out to Andrew Shoe.
She was just like, by the way our guest start
this episode, she put a picture of him, and I
(01:49):
was like, I dropped my phone, you guys. I got
so nervous. And yeah, so even right now I'm having
flash I'm really nervous to talk to because I feel
I feel okay, you know that feeling. I got filming
with Brian again on pH and W and I felt
like I was sixteen and you had to talk me
through and you were like, you're gonna be okay. You're
a grown woman, you have five kids, You're you're good
(02:12):
to talk with you right now. Yeah, because I feel
here's what's going through my head. Oh my gosh, Jen
has to do all the talking. Amy'll ask great questions.
I need to just shut up because I feel like
I'm not gonna be smart enough and I'm not going
to say the right things, and it's taking me back
to meeting him at that party, the premier party that
we were at, where I was like, my dad was like, oh,
(02:33):
you know, Andrew Shoe is casting, maybe he would be good.
And I was like, oh my gosh, am I gonna
get fixed up with Andrew Shoe? And I met him
and I was so nervous and nothing. I felt like
he was like, we talked, he was super nice, but
he was probably like, nah, is that the only time
you ever met him? No? I mean we would do
Fox events over the years, but I don't think, you
know what, We never had like a yeah, I'm scared.
(03:00):
My dad was like, oh, my dad, hey, babe, my
daughter would be great for you. She's single, she's blonde,
she has a big crush on you big And I
probably didn't even know him, but he probably said that
might be the first time I've ever heard you imitate
your dad. You're really good at his voice, by the way,
that which makes sense because that was the first time
(03:21):
I've ever done it. That's really really good, Really it did.
Thank god I took a chance and it came out.
I just totally had a vision of you dressed as
him and us doing some sort of like weird parody
about I don't know, but you're gonna play your father.
I feel it. Um, you just gave me chills because
she is a little intuitive with stuff. So we gotta
(03:42):
do this wool brainstorm. Okay, okay, really fast. I will
say this, and I don't want to make you more nervous.
But Andrew Shoe is aging like fine fine wine, which
I think you say that about all men, amy, you
say that every freaking man rancho. Yeah, I went down
the rabbit hole that is I just said, ho, rabbit hole.
(04:05):
I'm thinking myself right now. I just I went down
the rabbit hole that is Andrew Shoe after you sent
that picture, and I was like, I mean, we we
have been, you know, we have worked with his wife.
We've been Oh my god, I can't I'm so flustered.
I don't know. And she's so she interviewed us and
she's great, um and no disrespect, but her husband is Wow,
(04:26):
did you admit to his wife your crushed? She didn't you, kid?
I didn't even know that was her husband when we
were interfewing with which makes sense for me, But uh wait,
didn't you went down a rabbit hole? You went down
a rabbit hole. Where you mean on Instagram? Now, I
(04:49):
just said Instagram. I don't know what. Oh, no, you
know what I did Google because in my mind, Andrew
Shoe doesn't do social media. I don't think he does now.
I didn't even check it. Instagram looked always for his
like whatever pages. Remember, he's like a billionaire. I don't
want to overstate it because I'm sure the Internet is wrong.
But it was like basically like he's a billionaire. What
(05:12):
they said his net worth? Yeah, they also say mine,
and that's whoa. Wait, that's good to know. So sometimes
that stuff is wrong. That stuff is always wrong. Always
the Internet's wrong. We could look up your net worth
right now and you'd be like, what look up Amy
Sugarman's net worth? The only thing it ever got right
(05:33):
that I'm privy too, is it? They they mentioned the
five hundred thousand, wait, five hundred million dollar estate that
my dad left that I did not inherit. So whoa
that was right? Fair? Jen, Yeah, I wonder if Andrew's
Shoes gonna buy it with his billions. I don't Oh
(05:53):
my gosh, Oprah, I always google Oprah's net worth because
can we ask him if um, well, let's see how
this goes. If he if he like, if I don't
screw this up, maybe he would be interested in financing
m Jen and I want to do a remake of
Death Becomes Sor. That's been our dream forever. Maybe he'd
like to finance it. He might. Why don't we start
(06:16):
with let's ask him was net worth is? First? Are
you a billionaire? Butter him up? We should ask him
about his book because you had me as that kids.
But yeah, we had to talk all of the things.
Andrew Shoe. I can't wait where I mean functions for
him because did you guys notice he can't type? Oh,
(06:36):
you want to talk about the episode before Andrew comes?
Should we just get into it because you clear a
little bit? A little bit? Okay, we're gonna talk to
you guys about episode three, Lost and Found, aired July. Synopsis.
Jane faces near disaster when she goes out on the town.
Jake prepares to break up with Kelly, and Billy finishes
(06:57):
his first Directed by Charles Braverman, written by Frederick Rappaport
and Darren Starr. Yeah, okay, so this episode starts on
I didn't know what was happening. That's what it started.
I was like, Hey, who the heck is that? And
be what show am I watching the same thing? I
was like, let's go with your hair? Wait, can you
(07:18):
confirm it was Allison? Right? No, that wasn't Allison, you guys,
I like trying to go like this, but it was.
It didn't. It was just some other blonde. Some other
blonde could have been you could have been me. It
was not Allison, though. He was so creepy and murdery
and that was his like bad novel or something. Yeah,
(07:39):
he was like the the gangster was creepy. His hairs
looked back fine, he was so I thought I was
watching like a vodka commercial or something. Yes, Oh my god,
like yeah, absolute model, say what w t Yeah right? Literally,
(08:02):
who the heck is that? That's what my notes say?
Is that? But then and then he comes back from
the dream and he's typing like this hunting pack. I
think they used to call that hunting pack. Yeah, huck,
he went to Dartmouth typing at Dartmouth. Amy, he's a genius.
Didn't you take typing in high school? Computer? Can you? Can?
(08:25):
You guys type like you use your hunting Nope? By
hunting pack a D F g U huh and then
period semi crillon l K you remember how do you
remember that? I'm looking at it? And then you like
go up and down from those, but you always stay
on your home roabe. So like if you were typing Jenny,
(08:46):
can you like look at me while you're typing? Yeah,
f no, no, I'm a hunting pecker. I do one
at a time, never gonna change. Billy was doing and
I know if Andrew Shoe couldn't. It was super distracting.
Why did they tell him to do that? I want
(09:07):
to be honest. At first, when they when you saw
him at the computer and his hands were like under
the computer, under the desk, I was like, what is
happening right now? What is what? What is happening? Did
they have porn back then? This was I don't know.
I thought he was really getting excited about also wrote
because it was like two that's like apple to e
(09:29):
you guys. It was like humongous and it had like
um floppy disk. I'm gonna go back to the girl
that I thought was um Courtney Thorne Smith Allison Um.
So I did do a double take, but the hair
was different. It was a little off. But this is
like an Amy thing. I feel like they cast her
because it was foreshadowing that that's his type. I think so.
(09:51):
I mean, if you think about it, his current wife,
Andrew Shoe's current wife fits the mold totally Amy Robock.
She really doesn't. She's beautiful, but she is blonde, beautiful
yep like Allison, like the girl in the dated Allison
a real life Yes, we have to ask you know,
(10:11):
we're not asking him about that. It was huge. It
was we were a couple, Yeah, we can huge huge
like off camera, they fell in love during me the
they met there started filming. Wait, did you just will
it for me? Because Billie and Allison are become a couple,
a real couple. Oh my god, obvious I even seen it.
(10:34):
Nothing's ever been so obvious. I don't want to be,
you know, speculate or assume. I'm googling this right now.
How long were they together for? Alison looked Courtney Thorne.
Smith looked particularly pretty in this episode. Her clothes, but
I have such a problem with her clothes that I
can't even can invest in the character. I'm sorry. With
(10:56):
the Giant Blazers. How long did they date for doesn't
say that yet, but there's it's very confusing because there's
pictures of them from Melrose Place, but then there's definitely
pictures of them like where you're like, are you dating?
What do you mean? Are it was fact? Right? Like
(11:18):
I didn't just say okay, I feel like we're very
like Howard Sternish today? What's your net worth? Did you
date him? What her? We talked about a little. Uh,
I'm not gonna before I know because Andrews is gonna
be on for a second, So you little questions. Yeah,
put yourselves in Allison's position, so we're skipping ahead, but
(11:39):
she reads his crappy novel. Put myself in her position. No,
I would not make tunic cast role. No, I wouldn't
wear that outfit and done. But I want to ask
you about the Tunic Castle. But would you tell Billy
the truth? Have you ever been in that position in
real life where someone handed you some script? Because you
guys are like big famous actresses, like inducers, what would
(12:01):
you do? Would you tell the truth or would you lie?
I don't think I would tell him. It was trash
like like she was pretty harsh, like straight. She didn't
even offer up some positive She said, like, first you
kind of like you gotta roll into that. I hate it.
You gotta be like, well, it was really structured, really well,
and I really felt there was the beginning and an ending.
(12:22):
I saw it super clearly. Love the character of Da
Da Da, But you know, I don't know that's the
trains she's You've been trained so well, Okay, So this
comes from years and years from Jen and I producing
stuff and being in writer's rooms, and we used to
not know, so we would just be like, honest, you know,
like what is this? Oh sorry, not like Alice, and
(12:45):
we'd be like, we don't like this and this, you
know what if this? And then we were schooled that
in a writer's room you have to like you go
into it easy and you say the things you did like,
and then you get to the things you didn't like.
A giant waste of it is Holly, I'm not good
at it, not good at it. Torry was the one
that always has to do it because I'm like just
(13:08):
telling the truth, right, But I don't. I don't think
I could have done it if I was Allison. That
was my roommate giving me a script. Probably happen a
little softer. I wouldn't have said hate. I just would
have been like, um, I didn't connect or I didn't
feel like I feel good, just used feeling there. I
didn't feel And it's just like your person. Do you
guys ever do a photo shoot where they then tell
(13:29):
you like, we're just gonna get a couple of safeties,
which really means like we didn't nail it yet, so
we're getting a couple of safeties. But we used to
have to say that all the time, like let us
just get a couple of safety takes, which means no,
definitely three were pretty shy. But when you just say
we just need to get guess you guys about when
(13:50):
Billy and Alison getting the fight and he goes you
have no taste, just like your lousy castlerole favorite line?
You don it cast role? Do people still eat to
a cast role? I think so, like Grandma's I'm all
for bringing it back and modernizing like old fashioned recipes,
(14:14):
but tuna cast role, I don't think it's ever coming back.
And in the nineties it was not back. Like a
writer must have thought that was funny, but it's his favorite.
It's not even something she makes. She wears her grandma's
clothes and she makes her grandma's cast roles. There you go,
she needs an update already. Yeah, I mean, sidebar off topic,
(14:36):
but how classic was it when so after that first
scene and Alison, I think, walks out and the man
sins are by the plate. That's not how you clean
a pool. I've cleaned pools before, never been like that.
I got no idea. But there's a pool cleaner that's there.
Remember Jen, you were like every scene yeah, well they're
(14:59):
apparently he didn't show up because he's like caressing the
metal stick that thing. It was so weird in the
in front of everyone, like for all see and she's
in a bikini and he has this giant pager. His
giant by the way, that's what they look like. So
(15:21):
I do love this about melrose Place. The references to
l A things like Pink's Hot Dogs, Laurel Canyon. They're
always like referencing actual And then they're going to watch
the video of Ghost, which is in l A but
still is a good reference. She has the same hair
do she does. She has the Demi Moore the video
(15:43):
of Ghost stop in stop it. Wait you guys, you
guys guys need to pull it together. Amy, your bluff,
my camera, you're perfecting me. We are no longer friends.
What's happening right now? I've lost them? People, Jennifer Eve,
(16:06):
don't say anything to embarrass me. I'm I'm I'm not
gonna do anything. But I actually I don't even have
a question. But it's just so like I'm living my
childhood fantasies. I think I've met him before too, and
I feel like I feel at nauseous. Oh my god,
your cheeks, she's blushing. Please bring Andrew in. I can't
(16:26):
take it anymore. Hey, guys, Hi, Andrew, how are you?
We got so excited? Amy is Amy is usually not
(16:46):
this shade of red. Just so you know, she's excited,
totally gonna be normal. And then I just got weird
right before, and like I got clammy. Way to make
a guest feel comfortable. We've been watching your show and
we're big tree. We have Wait you you didn't hear
anything before this? Right? Oh? He heard it? I can
talk you. He's lying right now. He heard it. No,
I didn't. I just saw miss Sugarman smiling there. Wait,
(17:11):
so you guys have all met right? I want to
hear like, just you all talk about when you met
back in the day and what that was like. Well,
first of all, let's introduce you Andrew. This is Amy Sugarman,
our producer. I think they know each other, he said, Sugarman,
it's on the screen too, but we have met back
in the day. Oh my god, you said it like
(17:32):
you guys are like old friends. I'm Ryan Seacrest producer. Also,
and Ryan Seacrest was on an episode of mel Melrose Place.
I can't even talk. He was finally, were you in
the finale? Still not the finale finale? Now? So Ryan
was a guest at the wedding or a funeral. It
(17:56):
was something one of those. I just saw Ryan this
past weekend there Georgia game. Yeah, did Georgia lose? Yeah.
He was sitting right behind us and uh we were
high fiving. They were up ten zero and then then
they got crushed. I can't wait to talk to hibout
because he would be excited to see you too, because
we all I've been his producer for twenty five years.
(18:18):
So we loved nine two one on Melrose Place, like
we this was our time? How was your time? That
was our time? Okay, you guys. You we know you
from obviously from like you know, Fox things. We were
all in the same kind of in the same boat. Yeah,
we went to a bunch of events and we went
to Uh. I think I ran into you over in
(18:40):
Europe too, you were doing the whole tour over there.
I remember we went out to dinner. That's right, that's right.
Was it Israel Isel? She never told me about that. Look,
they're mad at me now. I didn't tell them. Um
and and uh and we we were on nine or
(19:03):
two or no, and you were on Mills Place. So
it's like kind of like you know, we're brothers and sisters, cousin.
It's like part of the Spelling family to story into it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it is true. I have to say, and
I've never said this publicly, not I guess this is
public um, But your dad, Tory, he had had a huge,
(19:27):
huge impact on my life obviously because it really he
was really the one who kind of plucked me out
of nowhere and stuck me into that show. How did
that happen? Like, how did he plucked you out of nowhere?
Where were you and how did it happened? Very well,
so I had just started auditioning for things, and I
got in a small part in the Wonder Years. I
(19:49):
had three lines, and I had moved out to l A.
I had spent a year in New York where I
auditioned about a hundred and twenty two times. I had
a little black book and I got zero callbacks. After
then I came out to l A. And I was
only there for about three months, and I got a
pilot which was a spelling pilot, and it was really
(20:10):
because Aaron had had produced Soap Dish, which is the
movie my sister was in where he was kind of
familiar with Oliz the Shoe. Oh she's great, and then oh,
this is her brother, and so he I think he
got intrigued. And so there was a pilot called Gulf
City which had these two is kind of a star
skin Hutch type deal, and we did a five day
shoot down in Florida, and which was a miracle when
(20:32):
I got that part of just like, oh my gosh,
I'm gonna be on a TV show. And of course
we know how many pilots don't get picked up. And
it turned out that they had hired somebody else for
Billy on Melrose Place and they didn't love him after
the first day back. So he was let go after
the first day because he was he was the way
(20:54):
he was playing the relationship with Alison was not the
right way, and there was a bunch of other things.
I think they just decided. And so Aaron calls me
at my dollar a month apartment, uh right off of
Hollywood Boulevard where somebody was murdered outside um and says, hey, babe,
I need you to come over to my house tomorrow
(21:16):
for kind of an emergency audition. You're not really auditioning,
You're just gonna be reading with people. I just need
to do this favor. So he basically downplayed the whole
thing like this is not a big deal. And there
were thirty people there. I drove in with my little
eighty two Mazda and and parked in the park that
I was valet. And then after three hours of going
into that office, you know, wall to wall bound leather
(21:40):
copies of every show he had ever produced, and Peter
Chernin's in there, and every person from boxes there and
we're all reading with Courtney, and thirty people read with Courtney,
and people thirty people read, and about ten people read
a second time, and two of us were about to
read a third time when I heard Aaron talking to
(22:00):
Peter Chernon and then seeing that last guy walk out
the door. And then Aaron comes over to me and
he says, you got the part, babe, and what I
was like, what, what do you mean? I wanted to
do a Gulf City. That's such a cool show, he said,
Gulf City got canceled two days ago. Look at that.
(22:22):
And then then you didn't tell me. I came over
there and basically just flirted my butt off with Courtney
and uh, and then I was shooting on Monday. That's what.
Did you know who Corney was? Because she had I
didn't really know much about anything, and now I didn't.
I did not know. No, I was just I was
(22:42):
kind of the whole thing. But he totally obviously took
a risk, you know, put me in there, and uh,
yeah it was. It was awesome. So there's very few
things I don't remember. I remember a lot. I did
not remember that story until you started telling it, and
then it all came back. It all came back being
(23:03):
being at the house watching Gulf City, remembering that he
was like, this is the guy. And then after that.
So my dad, I think there's only two times that
he's actually said to a network no, no, no no, this
is who I want and this is who we're casting.
And it was Luke Berry and Andrew's shoe. So now
I remember the whole thing. Yes, yeah, it's true, and
(23:25):
the network was like okay. And then the other great
moment I have with your dad was after we were
getting towards the fifth year and we were going to
have to renegotiate a contract, he called me and just said, hey,
you know, we gotta figure out you know, you're six.
Why don't you just come into the office. And so
I just negotiated the contract with him directly what he
(23:47):
and he literally took out a laminated card that had
everybody's salary on it and talked me through it. And
I was like, well, you know, here's Heather and and
what do you think is fair? And I basically, you know,
gave him my number and which wasn't as high as
Heather's and he's like and he's like, okay, done. Jenny
(24:08):
liked him better. Yeah, I never got I never got negotiating,
no meetings. That's amazing. Was your intention always to become
an actor? Because I remember at the time, everyone always
used to talk about like Andrew Shoe went to Dartmouth,
he's so smart, blah blah blah, like when you were
in a soccer place, all those things. So did you
(24:28):
intend to become an actor or was your sister inspiring you?
Like how did that happen? Yeah, that was another kind
of crazy story. I did not intend to be an actor.
I was thinking about being a lawyer, and unfortunately I
had my older brother died in an accident, which was
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going into my senior year in college, and so after
that I was just kind of a kind of search
for the meaning of life. And I went over and
spend a year in Africa teaching and playing soccer over there.
And during that year, kind of another random thing happened
where um, I had gone to the soap dish premiere
with my sister and a picture of the two of
us came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and the head
(25:11):
of casting Universal Pictures called my sister's agent after seeing
the picture. I don't see why she would do this
just after seeing a picture, but she said, is is Elizabeth.
She's brother and actor, And so the agent then thought
that was so kind of crazy that the agent called
my sister and said, you're not gonna believe this, but
this person wanted to know if your brothers and actor,
what should I tell her? And then my sister says, yeah,
(25:33):
tell him, tell her that he is. I was living
in Africa at the time, had no interest in being
an actor. So then she called me. And back then,
you know, now you can like call on your cell phone,
it's unbelievable, or even FaceTime. Back then, like it was
like the phone would ring like and it was as
if the moon was calling while I was over there.
Because it cost ten dollars a minute, and and it
was very exciting. I would only talk for five minutes
(25:54):
when you know, once a month. So my sister calls
and she's like, you're never gonna believe what happened and
if and I never I always told the story that
it was her excitement and enthusiasm that made me think
it was a big deal. And then when she said,
and I told him you are an actor, I'm not
sure why, but I just figured I might as well
create an option for you. So then I had a
fully I had a whole weird to think about this
(26:15):
for a year I'm thinking, all right, you're in Africa
thinking wait, I could be an actor an actor, or
I could you know, be an FBI agent because I
just read Silence of the lamp Um and uh so
when I came back and I was thinking, you know what,
this might I should try it. So then I had
I went at a meeting with her acting coach and
that was another faithful moment where she said, you're it
(26:38):
seems like you're just as talent as she is. Why not?
So yeah, that was like a crazy twist. So I
did feel like the role he is weird. And of course,
then after getting off the show and thinking through whether
I wanted to be you do this rest of my life,
I kind of decided to go into business and and
uh and and yeah, I felt like, I mean, you
(27:00):
guys have seen it's it's a very topsy turvy career
and and you don't really have a lot of control
over it. And I wanted to raise my kids back
East And so is that where you are now? Back East? Yeah? Yeah,
I live live in Manhattan. Is there anything you can't do?
I feel like everything you touch turns to gold and
(27:21):
that says you're a billionaire. But we're just going to
throw that out to you. But yeah, that's that's actually
not totally true, and it's definitely definitely not true the
way he said totally definitely. We don't usually look at
le's net worth before they come on the show, just say,
you know, but this just happens doing I was doing
my research and it just comes up, like what am
I supposed to do? I couldn't like not like guys,
(27:43):
he's looking away. It's never true, but they're never they're
never true, and mind them whatever that it's way off
and not true. Okay, Jen and I played detectives on
TV for one season, and we know that when you
look away and you don't look right into camera into
our eyes, you're not completely telling the truth. Mr Shoe
(28:05):
was going like that, did you learn that from our
stint on Mystery Girls? Well, Cagney and Lacy way back
when I thought i'd give our show credits. So you
were on Melrose Place for I thinks six seasons? Is that? Ita?
And you left early? I left a year early, probably,
(28:29):
you know what. I actually was contemplating thinking like, all right,
this is one of those things if you're stay on
the show too long. But it's hard to make a
leap to anything else. Didn't hurt our careers. I'm just going.
And so I tried to have have it both ways.
I said, well, what if I do half the episodes?
And they were like, no, you can't either kind of
(28:50):
got to do it all and I thought, all right,
I'll let it go. Um. So it was only one
year and uh, and then actually the six years unbelievable
because I don't know you guys were doing this sudden
I think you were. We were shooting double episodes. We
had we had two crews and we were doing thirty
five episodes for the year, and uh, and you know
(29:13):
it was. It was amazing. So there will be times
where we would be shooting a scene and then right
afterwards shooting another scene that could have been like two
episodes ago. But it got confused. Did you all keep
that straight? You couldn't keep trying. We just had to
go Yeah, you had to have somebody explain on kids,
Who am I what? Yeah? What have I been through?
(29:34):
The killer already? Did she already hit her hand in
the pool? Did she rip off her wig? And there
was a giant scar? So Jenny has not seen there's
a Scar. Oh my gosh, it's Jenny has seen three
episodes now, that's it before. She never watched it before.
(29:56):
The good news is she's watching it for the first
time and she loves it, like obsessed with it. Yeah,
Amy and I were huge fans, like not just because
it was my dad show, like I watched Miller's Place.
I didn't even watch my own show sometimes, but always
watch Mallrow's Place. Did you watch nine O two one, oh, Andrew, Like,
did you know that this was a spinoff of that?
And who these guys were? What did you say about
(30:18):
looking away from the he's a fan of our show? Okay, Yeah,
I would not have been your typical kind of nighttime
soap fan. I would never watch Moor's Place. You were
in the sorority with me and thirty friends watching they
started back to back. I know, I know I was.
(30:39):
I was a sports guy and a documentary guy and
I didn't really even watch TV like at night at
that time. Do you still play soccer? I do still
play soccer, and my kids play soccer and it's awesome.
But what's your position? I was a midfielder. I am
a midfielder. Yeah, actually had a goal in a game
(31:01):
two weeks ago. Nice, you still got it? People. Wait,
do you do you coach the kids? My kids are
really old now? I have well Amy, you know, I remarried.
Amy has two girls, and I have three boys. But
all three mine are now, two are out of college,
ones in college. Wow, I guess because you have a
blended family. Yeah, year old. But I can't imagine showing
(31:26):
up and like my soccer coach where my kids Andrew shoo, yes, yes,
like crazy, But I guess they wouldn't know. Were the
mom's like yeah at that time. Again, we're a lot
younger back then, so the closer to the time when
the show had just come off the air, because when
I was I only coached my kids up until they
were probably nine, and then I let you know some
(31:48):
of their little um So that was down in Princeton,
New Jersey, and uh yeah it was. It was fun.
Everybody was sweet. Yeah, those those shows are Everybody just
had a kind of warm feeling about them. I always
(32:12):
had such mad respect for you because you I felt
like you were doing more, like you started up your
own organization, right, what was it? Do something right? I
remember that vividly, and I remember thinking, Wow, this guy
is doing something better than the rest, like it just
you know, I don't know. I just feel like you
were making a difference, Like what was your inspiration and
(32:33):
like how did that start for you? Well, you're sweet
and I remember you guys coming to a few events
to support do something which was great. And it does
go back to my brother and and kind of searching
for more meaning. I think I felt like a lot
of that had in a way giving me a different
kind of confidence to try things because I didn't I
(32:56):
didn't I wasn't bound by the same rules of like, oh,
that will never happen and why would you do that?
I just say, like I don't, I don't know, why not,
you know, just just try it. And so then I
think once I I found myself on a Tonight show
or doing things like this, I thought, this is just
so weird promoting yourself and uh so then it kind
of just went back to my childhood where my dad
(33:18):
had inspired me to to do projects. My two both
of my brothers, were Eagle Scouts, and so they had
done big service projects and I felt guilty when I
quit Boy Scouts, and so I had done a project
when I was in high school, uh called Students Serving
Seniors because my dad said, you know, just because you
didn't do boy Scouts doesn't mean you don't have you
(33:40):
wouldn't you know, you you would get a lot out
of doing a service project. So I created this group
with with a bunch of my friends called Students Serving Seniors.
And that experience to me was transformative because it it
just showed me how valuable it is to connect with
others to do something that's beyond yourself. Uh. And so
(34:01):
then when I got on the show, I thought, Wow,
what an opportunity to do something like that. So you
do something still running full steam right now, years later,
and feel very fortunate for you. Yeah. But so again
it was about having other mentors and other teachers nudging
me and pushing me and saying, hey, you know what
(34:22):
life life is. I mean people talked about this life
life is meaningful when shared life is rich, When when
you're sharing with others and giving back to others, it's
it's kind of an empty world when you're just looking
to take for yourself. That's very true. And you also
started up like you cod is this with your wife
(34:44):
that you started another organization? Um, so right now that
we we just wrote up a children's book, children's We've
had a children's book that actually we didn't we weren't
thinking about it when we first talked about it. It's
called Better Together. It's about a blended fanly of squirrels
and nick monks who find themselves after a storm kind
(35:05):
of stuck together in this in this hollow of a log,
and they and then they realize that they do everything differently,
so they have so much fun. And then they're like, yeah,
but you do things differently, so let's go back. And
then as soon as they go apart, they miss each
other so much that they all come back together and
they end up creating a family called the mc Squirrelies.
And so we wrote this book and when when it
(35:27):
was coming together, just realized what was going on in
the country and just thought, wow, it's it's really is
a time where we all just have to take a
deep breath and and think about how uh, how much
we would gain by trying to understand each other and
trying to share more together. And I really do think
(35:49):
that we're at a place now, We're in such an
insecure place as a country that the people you know
in sadly and it's really in a weakness. We all
kind of go to our owners and go to our
tribes and and and get combative. So I think it's
it's time if we're going to see our strength. Our
strength is to go towards each other. Strength is to
(36:09):
listen with curiosity and trying to understand each other. The
book sounds so timely, first of all, but also you
wait until your kids were grown up to write a
children's book. I find that really interesting. Yeah, well we could.
We joked that we wanted to make sure that the
story ended. Well, it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows for
(36:32):
you guys at first, right, Like, it was actually really
difficult when families are no joke, it's hard. It just
is because there's there's all these layers of of fear
and mistrust really because you're like, do you really love me?
And you really you know? Would you know when your
(36:53):
blood for some reason, even though you might not really
get along, you'll still go to the end of the
yourthe But when you know, when you choose a family
like this, uh, it's just so much harder. And we
had very different parenting styles which also made it very difficult. Yeah,
how did you know you had different parents. Yeah, well,
(37:13):
I just my my parents got the worst. Early. We
were really on our own most of the time. We
were kind of in the we figured out for themselves
type type upbringing. And Amy has had a very strict
Catholic upbringing. Uh, and she felt like my boys needed
some serious discipline and structure. And I kind of agreed
(37:35):
with her. I didn't. I didn't kind of agree with her.
I definitely agree with her, but at the same time,
I couldn't go all the way that she wanted to go.
It's like, this is gonna be too hard, and then
they're gonna think it's you know, they're gonna resent you.
And so we were just constantly in this push pull.
It's like, yeah, but you're giving them, you know. We
all of our arguments became about the kids, just about
(37:55):
I mean, I have a married to a man who
doesn't have children, but he's up dad to my three girls,
and all of a lot of our arguments are about
different my my parenting techniques and his thoughts on them
or how oh he thinks I should do it. Yeah,
And you know what I would just say, and I'll
(38:16):
say this everybody out there, you have to just constantly
being in communication with each other each other. This is
the hardest thing that we're doing. We love each other
and we trust each other's intentions. Now let's talk through
the logistics of what we're actually trying to accomplish, and
not not assume right away that you're trying to do
(38:36):
this because you want power. You're trying to do this
because you want me to feel diminished, Like that isn't
what it's about. And unfortunately, you know, you get very
territorial about it, and you're like, and it's just so hard.
Most most I think it's all second marriages with kids
don't don't succeed. But it's also there's also that part
(38:56):
that's like I find relief in having somebody see it
from a different perspective and give me their two cents about,
like what it looks like from from over there, you know,
because I'm so in it so so often with my
kids that I don't see really making me think of
Billy and Allison, because are you going to say that, No,
(39:20):
I don't want my steps and listen to this. I
don't want him to be like, why didn't you mention me?
So I'm sorry he listened to our podcast every week
episode You Billy that writes this, Jackie, I love you.
I'm sorry. Oh sorry, No, don't worry. Write the scrappy
novel and Allison tells him the truth that it sucks.
So it's like it's bringing all around. If you were
(39:41):
in that position and Amy wrote something, would you tell
her it sucks? Or would you go? I probably wouldn't
tell her that it sucked. Alison said, I hate it. Yeah,
did you watch this episode? Didn't? You didn't watch episode three?
Just to come talk to us, right, you have no
idea what we're talking about. I have a vague me.
(40:07):
I can mention one of your best lines. You have
no taste, just like your lousy castrole. Oh, I kind
of vaguely. Do you remember that another you were in
a fan of Our Castle on a great line. I
remember the number of times I've trying to change the
lines and they like, Andrew, we're gonna have to call
I'm like, all right, let's call what do they call? Really?
(40:28):
Literally called Darren or Yeah? I was wondering it was
Billy Campbell. It felt like there were like little slivers
of Darren Starr in the character of Billy Campbell. Well,
definitely in the pilot he wrote. He wrote the pilot
for sure, but then he wasn't as involved going forward
after that. Like even in this episode, like the third episode,
(40:49):
which Darren did co write, um, just you, Billy talks
about his like upbringing and wanting to be a writer
and his dad not supporting him. And yeah, I'm sure
that that not supporting and all that stuff, but that yeah,
And I've never had a conversation with him about the
kind of the origin of Billy, but it did assume
(41:09):
that it was linked to Darren, like that that character.
If there was a character that was linked to Darren personally,
that it would have been Billy May. Is it okay
to ask about your off screen relationship with Courtney Thorne Smith? Sure,
I mean it was public, like I miss, always fascinating,
like the relationship now or back then? Back then? Back
(41:32):
then we live in the past. Yes, we do. Sorry, Uh, yeah,
I mean we had a we had a great relationship.
We I would say that I had never been on
a TV show before, and I had never been in
a you know, working in a kind of a It's
intimate in the sense that you're every day you're hanging
(41:52):
out and and and of course the two characters were
having a flirtation during that whole first the first a
couple of seasons really, but so yeah, sparks. Sparks flew
pretty quickly, and and then we started dating and it
was it was great. It was one of the great
(42:14):
relationships of my life. You can tell immediately from the
first episode that you guys have great chemistry. Yeah, she's
she's an awesome person. Uh, funny and smart and h
and professional. That was one thing. All all the people
on the show were so professional and so great. Could
(42:34):
you ever product you Matt would marry Sidney? Sorry Tory
that Matt married Sydney for like they've been like a
hundred years. Laurel lat Man, that's like she did. She
did a grand show first, I know, I know. And
everybody's friends, like we all we all got together recently
for a reunion and everybody was just so genuinely happy
(42:55):
to see each other. And everybody's been so supportive just
to each other's causes. I recently, uh, working on a
on a on a big project trying to figure out
how to heal the wounds in our in our country,
and and and I got Heather involved. She called me
back right away and it was awesome. She's great and
doing great. Um, and so yeah, I feel just a
(43:20):
great warmth about all the relationships with with everybody, and
very and and so fortunate to have, like I said,
just landed into this show and never done anything before
and have such great people. I love it. Well. We
um were interviewed by your wife a couple of years ago.
She's so, she's awesome. She is awesome. Uh, she's a force.
(43:45):
I just talked to her twenty minutes ago and she's
she's set down in Texas. I guess Michael Strahan's going
to going up with just Jeff Bezos is. Oh, that's right.
Uh so there, I guess he's lasting off. Amy's downs
covering it, She's covering it. And and yeah, we Amy's
(44:09):
gotten me running marathons, hiking mountains. Uh. Yeah, we have
We live a very full life. We we uh, we
burn it on all ends, and you know, we just
we don't assume we have more time. We have what
we have right now, and and so we try and
try and just do the things that do the things
and be with the people that brings us the most joy.
(44:32):
We feel very lucky obviously to have uh, you know,
just just have freedom to do these kinds of things.
I think right now, obviously with the pandemic and everything
people are people are still in the world is who
knows how things are going to go here in the
next few months. But we move back into kind of
a a defensive posture. Hopefully not hopefully we're getting to
(44:52):
a place where we can just live with this thing.
But yeah, Amy, Amy is awesome. I I I met
her at a book party and uh what it's been
a whirlwind, whirlwind for thirteen years. What book I want
to know? It was a book party. Uh that was
(45:13):
about he was about moms, and I had started a
company called Cafe Mom, and uh so they wanted me
to come to help promote their When you wrote your
children's book with Amy, could you type or did you
like Billy? That's how funny say that. The reason really
(45:33):
type like that is because Andrew type like that. Really
and Andrews still types like that. So so Sugar Sugarman
as you call her. Yeah, she she claims you went.
She says you went to Dartmouths. You couldn't possibly type
like that, So she thought that They asked you to
do it that way. I like that. How in the
world did you not know how to type? And let's see,
(45:56):
I did take a typing class in high school. Said, oh,
thank goodness. He really didn't hear anything before the Center
for Perfect dormouth with this. The funny thing is my
business partner, my business partner who I went to Columbia
High School with. Uh. He he said, the one. And
he's brilliant. And he literally is brilliant. He was a
(46:19):
chess prodigy. Uh. And he said, the one thing he
learned in high school was how to type, and we
all did. So he's done all the typing forms all
these years. He didn't have to wait before before you go,
I'm Tory and Jenny, I'm sure we'll wrap it up.
But when you showed up at Melrose Place and you
went to the wardrobe department and they told you they
were out of shirt because no one wears a shirt.
(46:45):
You don't wear a shirt Grand Show doesn't wear a
shirt like there are so few shirts. I don't know
if that was there, and but maybe it was just
it was written there in the script must have been Darren,
then nothing. It must have been a darn thing. We
weren't less be wearing shirts. I also didn't wear a belt, uh, surprisingly,
and that became part of Billy's wardrobe that might have
(47:07):
been me too, or I didn't really want to put
on the belt because we were constantly changing our clothes
all the time. And I'm like, you know what, Billy
doesn't wear a belt. It just took too long. You
didn't have the time to buckle the belt. I'd have
to change the well to Max chose and just thought
you did wear the legit Converse sneaks and the green bomber.
So did you have any say in your wardrobe the
(47:29):
first few I did start to change it after a
little bit. I was like, I don't love this. But
in the beginning, I just they had me in some
stuff I would never have normally worn. But I felt
like I had to do whatever they said. I was
so happy to be there. So there was definitely what
I would call some Yeah, did you not wear converse
in real life because it's not a typical athlete attire? Okay, fair? Yeah, yeah, No,
(47:55):
I definitely move in the soccer stuff and I started
getting all that kind of in there to make Bill
a little bit more of a dude, I think your
book is the perfect holiday gift. I saw you guys
on Good Morning America, So that's how shocking. What were you?
How did you get on? That's how I knew about
the book? I know, I know. We stuck on there. Yeah. Yeah,
(48:17):
better together. It's it's out there and the people people
can get it on Amazon. It's that easy. Get it
on Amazon together. You're gonna get it, sugarman, obviously, Oh
my gosh, but we all need to get it. Well.
Since you've been doing the show, ye third season coming up,
(48:38):
it's like one year, but it feels like it's so funny.
You say that though, because we've done it for two seasons.
But it's been like si episodes because there's so many
episodes of nine O two and oh, it's not like
these days. Ten episodes is a season for for Torri
and Jenny, it's like you actually episodes. You watch it
and talk about it as it's happening. Yeah, we watched
(48:58):
yours for a minute. We finished season two of nine
or two one oh, and we wanted to spin over
to watch Kelly and Donna and David and Steve go
to Miller's place. So we did the first three episodes
of Miller's Place, and now we've all fallen in love
with Miller's Place and we're really torn. Do we go
back to Beverly Hills two on? Oh? Where don't we
stick with Miller's Place? Out of podcast? We don't know
(49:20):
what to do. We really are loving Melrose Place, like
I was always a fan, but like I'm like, wait,
I want to go back to nine O two and oh,
but it's just different because we feel like it's good
to have the outside perspective like Meller's Place. We could
do that nine two O. We're so involved in it
sometimes it's hard to like really critique it. Well we do,
you know? Um, Okay, before we go, Um, I have
(49:43):
to admit something to you. I don't know where this
is going, Andrew, I don't know when I'll ever see
you again. Uh, And we're going back to the good
old days. So I told the ladies here that when
we started Melrose, we when my dad started Melro's Place,
but our family started our family. Yes, Um, he was
(50:03):
always he really wanted me to marry an actor, and like,
which not a good idea. Like I don't know why
he was always trying to set me up with actors,
but he was like he was a big fan of yours,
and he was like, oh babe, He's like, you gotta
meet the san Andrew Shoe. So I did a better
impression earlier than in front of you. So I remember
(50:24):
at the premier party and Jen was there too. He
wanted me to meet you, and I think he introduced
us and I was just like so nervous. I was
like hi, and you were like hey, you were really cool,
and then walked away and that was it. That was
the extent of our Remember that I have a vague
memory of kind of a meeting like this. Okay, at
(50:49):
this point, just turned around and look up because you're
not even looking closely to us. I just remember. I
mean you were correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't you
fairly young at that point? Were you you didn't want
to get involved? You were like a yeah, yeah, alright,
(51:10):
so you were like as an adult, now, oh my gosh,
that was the wrong move. He always wanted me to
meet his actors. Why would any of his actors ever
date me? Can you imagine you land a huge job
and then you're going to date the boss's daughter. Bad news?
I do. I do recall meeting you and thinking you
(51:32):
were very sweet, and also thinking, yeah, that would not
be a good idea. Yeah, see, it just confirms all
that that's how you felt like it always went and
there you go. Yes, but you were incredibly sweet. Thank you,
Yeah you got This is great, This is cool and
and fun that you're doing this. Thanks for being here.
You have so much fun. And we've had so much
(51:53):
fun watching your show and watching how it all began.
And you were a superstar from the moment you stepped
on the screen. Well I was lucky, lucky, lucky to
be on that screen. I don't know how it happened,
but you were both meant to be exactly And I
know that we will see each other again. Yeah, I hope, so,
(52:15):
I hope. So, Yes, call us when you need us.
We'll be there. We will. Good luck with the book.
See later, byee you. We didn't do kiss, marry or
kick guys. He lives up to every single he's killing,
(52:38):
and he would have. He's a very good guy. He
can't be that perfect. I was smiling the entire time.
My jaw hurts from smiling. And finally, I didn't want
to be too outwardly like what a great human. He
just seems like a really good guy, right, like a
nice husband, nice, you know, ow nice. He's a good dad.
(53:02):
He's always been like that. That guy is awesome. Oh
my god, he's what we all aspire to be. But
see that goes like he's living proof that if you
want to do something, you just jump in and do it.
So much time saying why it couldn't work, why no
one would want it, why you know, and it's like, wait,
(53:24):
the time we take to tell us ourselves the excuses
we could just be like trying so grateful and appreciative, Tory,
what is that like? These the admiration people have for
your dad. It's like, I know I've asked you about
that before, but it's like, what is that like for you?
Because these people he changed their wives, he gave them
their lives. Basically, it makes me feel really good. Um,
(53:47):
the ones that are grateful and are like, you know,
like it doesn't that doesn't always isn't always the way,
And it's so nice like to hear genuinely his fond
memories because he and I have never talked about it.
You know, I've heard from like Luke and Jason, and
I like, like, you know, I've heard that from the boys,
but to hear from Andrew like that made me really happy.
(54:09):
When he believed in someone, he went all the way
with it. My dad was like that, there was no
stopping him. That he believed in you, and he was
often really obviously right. He was right about because chills,
he just nailed it time after time. We take a break.
I'm I need water. Yeahs I might. I sort of
(54:29):
have tears, but I'm trying to like, I don't know why. Okay,
let's take a break. You girls can't compose yourselves, and
we'll come back. You were smiling pretty big too. Okay,
(54:51):
so we've been talking you guys, Amy, why don't you
tell our listeners we ran out of time because we
so enamored and we could listen to Andrew Shoe all day, Like,
I'm sad he's gone. Like, so we're going to do
a extra episode to talk more about Mellor's place, because yeah,
(55:13):
we didn't really get into the nitty gritty of the
whole episode, and we can't just not a lot to say.
It's Kelly's last episode, the last crossover episode, and we
want to we want to talk about it. Yeah, we're excited,
but it would be great if you guys have any
questions or anything you want to talk about about the
last the third episode of Mellor's Place, or Andrew shoe
(55:35):
or men not wearing shirts, whatever you want to talk about.
Just send us your questions, you guys. He said, I
was sweet. Oh it was crushy too, the whole thing
that was amazing. Oh my gosh, you know what. I
gotta admit that was cathartic for me to talk to him,
and I wasn't going to and generally shocked I brought
it up. No, no, oh my god, I was dying
(55:57):
inside and it took everything in my power to ring
it up because I was super nervous and I just
wanted to say it. And it's cathartic because I never
I've always thought like, oh, was something wrong with me?
But I mean a little bit. Probably met a lot
of men and guys. Did you think that every time
one of them didn't like you know, yeah, in hindsight,
(56:20):
like my dad shouldn't have set me up with his
actors because I didn't get it back then. I was
a young girl, so I just thought, oh am, I
not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough, Like, why don't
they like me? Like he did it with the guy
from Models Inc. The lead there. He set me up
with him, like he just kept doing it and of
course they're not going to go out. What was that
babe's name? Um? Oh my god, who was that guy?
(56:43):
He would he took me, He took me, so I
was We have to talk about this another day. It's
like a whole story, a Jamie Walter story too, so
he's involved. It wasn't that Eric Hexson. Wasn't no making
him a male model that shot himself find mistake on set?
No making of a Male Model a TV movie my
(57:04):
dad did in the eighties. Oh so I sort of
was right, but yet totally wrong. Okay, So there you
have it, people. We will come back next week with
another episode where we actually really do talk about episode
three of the Place, and we will try to get
it all out there. I love you guys. By
It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy,
you guys, or should I say oh mg, we have
a very very exciting show for you today. Well, it's
not just exciting for all those listening, it's pretty exciting
(00:20):
for one of the hosts. Oh my gosh. Okay, So
her guest, our guest start today is Andrew Shoe. You guys,
I'm dying. She's so excited. Okay, is so excited because
you you know, this is our third and final, well
(00:43):
supposed final melrose Place recap show. We're talking about the
third episode, and we've heard in the first episode you
straight out of the gate were like, I love Andrew Shoe.
I have a crush on him. I had a crush
on Billy, I have a crush on Andrew. It's happening.
I'm like, yeah, like I'm having like flashback like Brian
(01:05):
Austin Green vibes right now, Like I'm getting who Yeah,
that's right. I don't bag. That's been bagged and done.
And you know how how how excited Amy Sugarman is
to be with it with us again today today to
talk about a little bit sad you guys, Like I'm
(01:28):
sad well, can we go back to Andrew Shoe for
just one second? Because okay, so we have this private
uh nine O two one OMG chat that we had,
and Amy just like she didn't like prep us or
call us and be like, hey, you guys, you know
we could get this or reaching out to Andrew Shoe.
She was just like, by the way our guest start
this episode, she put a picture of him, and I
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was like, I dropped my phone, you guys. I got
so nervous. And yeah, so even right now I'm having
flash I'm really nervous to talk to because I feel
I feel okay, you know that feeling. I got filming
with Brian again on pH and W and I felt
like I was sixteen and you had to talk me
through and you were like, you're gonna be okay. You're
a grown woman, you have five kids, You're you're good
(02:12):
to talk with you right now. Yeah, because I feel
here's what's going through my head. Oh my gosh, Jen
has to do all the talking. Amy'll ask great questions.
I need to just shut up because I feel like
I'm not gonna be smart enough and I'm not going
to say the right things, and it's taking me back
to meeting him at that party, the premier party that
we were at, where I was like, my dad was like, oh,
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you know, Andrew Shoe is casting, maybe he would be good.
And I was like, oh my gosh, am I gonna
get fixed up with Andrew Shoe? And I met him
and I was so nervous and nothing. I felt like
he was like, we talked, he was super nice, but
he was probably like, nah, is that the only time
you ever met him? No? I mean we would do
Fox events over the years, but I don't think, you
know what, We never had like a yeah, I'm scared.
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My dad was like, oh, my dad, hey, babe, my
daughter would be great for you. She's single, she's blonde,
she has a big crush on you big And I
probably didn't even know him, but he probably said that
might be the first time I've ever heard you imitate
your dad. You're really good at his voice, by the way,
that which makes sense because that was the first time
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I've ever done it. That's really really good, Really it did.
Thank god I took a chance and it came out.
I just totally had a vision of you dressed as
him and us doing some sort of like weird parody
about I don't know, but you're gonna play your father.
I feel it. Um, you just gave me chills because
she is a little intuitive with stuff. So we gotta
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do this wool brainstorm. Okay, okay, really fast. I will
say this, and I don't want to make you more nervous.
But Andrew Shoe is aging like fine fine wine, which
I think you say that about all men, amy, you
say that every freaking man rancho. Yeah, I went down
the rabbit hole that is I just said, ho, rabbit hole.
(04:05):
I'm thinking myself right now. I just I went down
the rabbit hole that is Andrew Shoe after you sent
that picture, and I was like, I mean, we we
have been, you know, we have worked with his wife.
We've been Oh my god, I can't I'm so flustered.
I don't know. And she's so she interviewed us and
she's great, um and no disrespect, but her husband is Wow,
(04:26):
did you admit to his wife your crushed? She didn't you, kid?
I didn't even know that was her husband when we
were interfewing with which makes sense for me, But uh wait,
didn't you went down a rabbit hole? You went down
a rabbit hole. Where you mean on Instagram? Now, I
(04:49):
just said Instagram. I don't know what. Oh, no, you
know what I did Google because in my mind, Andrew
Shoe doesn't do social media. I don't think he does now.
I didn't even check it. Instagram looked always for his
like whatever pages. Remember, he's like a billionaire. I don't
want to overstate it because I'm sure the Internet is wrong.
But it was like basically like he's a billionaire. What
(05:12):
they said his net worth? Yeah, they also say mine,
and that's whoa. Wait, that's good to know. So sometimes
that stuff is wrong. That stuff is always wrong. Always
the Internet's wrong. We could look up your net worth
right now and you'd be like, what look up Amy
Sugarman's net worth? The only thing it ever got right
(05:33):
that I'm privy too, is it? They they mentioned the
five hundred thousand, wait, five hundred million dollar estate that
my dad left that I did not inherit. So whoa
that was right? Fair? Jen, Yeah, I wonder if Andrew's
Shoes gonna buy it with his billions. I don't Oh
(05:53):
my gosh, Oprah, I always google Oprah's net worth because
can we ask him if um, well, let's see how
this goes. If he if he like, if I don't
screw this up, maybe he would be interested in financing
m Jen and I want to do a remake of
Death Becomes Sor. That's been our dream forever. Maybe he'd
like to finance it. He might. Why don't we start
(06:16):
with let's ask him was net worth is? First? Are
you a billionaire? Butter him up? We should ask him
about his book because you had me as that kids.
But yeah, we had to talk all of the things.
Andrew Shoe. I can't wait where I mean functions for
him because did you guys notice he can't type? Oh,
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you want to talk about the episode before Andrew comes?
Should we just get into it because you clear a
little bit? A little bit? Okay, we're gonna talk to
you guys about episode three, Lost and Found, aired July. Synopsis.
Jane faces near disaster when she goes out on the town.
Jake prepares to break up with Kelly, and Billy finishes
(06:57):
his first Directed by Charles Braverman, written by Frederick Rappaport
and Darren Starr. Yeah, okay, so this episode starts on
I didn't know what was happening. That's what it started.
I was like, Hey, who the heck is that? And
be what show am I watching the same thing? I
was like, let's go with your hair? Wait, can you
(07:18):
confirm it was Allison? Right? No, that wasn't Allison, you guys,
I like trying to go like this, but it was.
It didn't. It was just some other blonde. Some other
blonde could have been you could have been me. It
was not Allison, though. He was so creepy and murdery
and that was his like bad novel or something. Yeah,
(07:39):
he was like the the gangster was creepy. His hairs
looked back fine, he was so I thought I was
watching like a vodka commercial or something. Yes, Oh my god,
like yeah, absolute model, say what w t Yeah right? Literally,
(08:02):
who the heck is that? That's what my notes say?
Is that? But then and then he comes back from
the dream and he's typing like this hunting pack. I
think they used to call that hunting pack. Yeah, huck,
he went to Dartmouth typing at Dartmouth. Amy, he's a genius.
Didn't you take typing in high school? Computer? Can you? Can?
(08:25):
You guys type like you use your hunting Nope? By
hunting pack a D F g U huh and then
period semi crillon l K you remember how do you
remember that? I'm looking at it? And then you like
go up and down from those, but you always stay
on your home roabe. So like if you were typing Jenny,
(08:46):
can you like look at me while you're typing? Yeah,
f no, no, I'm a hunting pecker. I do one
at a time, never gonna change. Billy was doing and
I know if Andrew Shoe couldn't. It was super distracting.
Why did they tell him to do that? I want
(09:07):
to be honest. At first, when they when you saw
him at the computer and his hands were like under
the computer, under the desk, I was like, what is
happening right now? What is what? What is happening? Did
they have porn back then? This was I don't know.
I thought he was really getting excited about also wrote
because it was like two that's like apple to e
(09:29):
you guys. It was like humongous and it had like
um floppy disk. I'm gonna go back to the girl
that I thought was um Courtney Thorne Smith Allison Um.
So I did do a double take, but the hair
was different. It was a little off. But this is
like an Amy thing. I feel like they cast her
because it was foreshadowing that that's his type. I think so.
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I mean, if you think about it, his current wife,
Andrew Shoe's current wife fits the mold totally Amy Robock.
She really doesn't. She's beautiful, but she is blonde, beautiful
yep like Allison, like the girl in the dated Allison
a real life Yes, we have to ask you know,
(10:11):
we're not asking him about that. It was huge. It
was we were a couple, Yeah, we can huge huge
like off camera, they fell in love during me the
they met there started filming. Wait, did you just will
it for me? Because Billie and Allison are become a couple,
a real couple. Oh my god, obvious I even seen it.
(10:34):
Nothing's ever been so obvious. I don't want to be,
you know, speculate or assume. I'm googling this right now.
How long were they together for? Alison looked Courtney Thorne.
Smith looked particularly pretty in this episode. Her clothes, but
I have such a problem with her clothes that I
can't even can invest in the character. I'm sorry. With
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the Giant Blazers. How long did they date for doesn't
say that yet, but there's it's very confusing because there's
pictures of them from Melrose Place, but then there's definitely
pictures of them like where you're like, are you dating?
What do you mean? Are it was fact? Right? Like
(11:18):
I didn't just say okay, I feel like we're very
like Howard Sternish today? What's your net worth? Did you
date him? What her? We talked about a little. Uh,
I'm not gonna before I know because Andrews is gonna
be on for a second, So you little questions. Yeah,
put yourselves in Allison's position, so we're skipping ahead, but
(11:39):
she reads his crappy novel. Put myself in her position. No,
I would not make tunic cast role. No, I wouldn't
wear that outfit and done. But I want to ask
you about the Tunic Castle. But would you tell Billy
the truth? Have you ever been in that position in
real life where someone handed you some script? Because you
guys are like big famous actresses, like inducers, what would
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you do? Would you tell the truth or would you lie?
I don't think I would tell him. It was trash
like like she was pretty harsh, like straight. She didn't
even offer up some positive She said, like, first you
kind of like you gotta roll into that. I hate it.
You gotta be like, well, it was really structured, really well,
and I really felt there was the beginning and an ending.
(12:22):
I saw it super clearly. Love the character of Da
Da Da, But you know, I don't know that's the
trains she's You've been trained so well, Okay, So this
comes from years and years from Jen and I producing
stuff and being in writer's rooms, and we used to
not know, so we would just be like, honest, you know,
like what is this? Oh sorry, not like Alice, and
(12:45):
we'd be like, we don't like this and this, you
know what if this? And then we were schooled that
in a writer's room you have to like you go
into it easy and you say the things you did like,
and then you get to the things you didn't like.
A giant waste of it is Holly, I'm not good
at it, not good at it. Torry was the one
that always has to do it because I'm like just
(13:08):
telling the truth, right, But I don't. I don't think
I could have done it if I was Allison. That
was my roommate giving me a script. Probably happen a
little softer. I wouldn't have said hate. I just would
have been like, um, I didn't connect or I didn't
feel like I feel good, just used feeling there. I
didn't feel And it's just like your person. Do you
guys ever do a photo shoot where they then tell
(13:29):
you like, we're just gonna get a couple of safeties,
which really means like we didn't nail it yet, so
we're getting a couple of safeties. But we used to
have to say that all the time, like let us
just get a couple of safety takes, which means no,
definitely three were pretty shy. But when you just say
we just need to get guess you guys about when
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Billy and Alison getting the fight and he goes you
have no taste, just like your lousy castlerole favorite line?
You don it cast role? Do people still eat to
a cast role? I think so, like Grandma's I'm all
for bringing it back and modernizing like old fashioned recipes,
(14:14):
but tuna cast role, I don't think it's ever coming back.
And in the nineties it was not back. Like a
writer must have thought that was funny, but it's his favorite.
It's not even something she makes. She wears her grandma's
clothes and she makes her grandma's cast roles. There you go,
she needs an update already. Yeah, I mean, sidebar off topic,
(14:36):
but how classic was it when so after that first
scene and Alison, I think, walks out and the man
sins are by the plate. That's not how you clean
a pool. I've cleaned pools before, never been like that.
I got no idea. But there's a pool cleaner that's there.
Remember Jen, you were like every scene yeah, well they're
(14:59):
apparently he didn't show up because he's like caressing the
metal stick that thing. It was so weird in the
in front of everyone, like for all see and she's
in a bikini and he has this giant pager. His
giant by the way, that's what they look like. So
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I do love this about melrose Place. The references to
l A things like Pink's Hot Dogs, Laurel Canyon. They're
always like referencing actual And then they're going to watch
the video of Ghost, which is in l A but
still is a good reference. She has the same hair
do she does. She has the Demi Moore the video
(15:43):
of Ghost stop in stop it. Wait you guys, you
guys guys need to pull it together. Amy, your bluff,
my camera, you're perfecting me. We are no longer friends.
What's happening right now? I've lost them? People, Jennifer Eve,
(16:06):
don't say anything to embarrass me. I'm I'm I'm not
gonna do anything. But I actually I don't even have
a question. But it's just so like I'm living my
childhood fantasies. I think I've met him before too, and
I feel like I feel at nauseous. Oh my god,
your cheeks, she's blushing. Please bring Andrew in. I can't
(16:26):
take it anymore. Hey, guys, Hi, Andrew, how are you?
We got so excited? Amy is Amy is usually not
(16:46):
this shade of red. Just so you know, she's excited,
totally gonna be normal. And then I just got weird
right before, and like I got clammy. Way to make
a guest feel comfortable. We've been watching your show and
we're big tree. We have Wait you you didn't hear
anything before this? Right? Oh? He heard it? I can
talk you. He's lying right now. He heard it. No,
I didn't. I just saw miss Sugarman smiling there. Wait,
(17:11):
so you guys have all met right? I want to
hear like, just you all talk about when you met
back in the day and what that was like. Well,
first of all, let's introduce you Andrew. This is Amy Sugarman,
our producer. I think they know each other, he said, Sugarman,
it's on the screen too, but we have met back
in the day. Oh my god, you said it like
(17:32):
you guys are like old friends. I'm Ryan Seacrest producer. Also,
and Ryan Seacrest was on an episode of mel Melrose Place.
I can't even talk. He was finally, were you in
the finale? Still not the finale finale? Now? So Ryan
was a guest at the wedding or a funeral. It
(17:56):
was something one of those. I just saw Ryan this
past weekend there Georgia game. Yeah, did Georgia lose? Yeah.
He was sitting right behind us and uh we were
high fiving. They were up ten zero and then then
they got crushed. I can't wait to talk to hibout
because he would be excited to see you too, because
we all I've been his producer for twenty five years.
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So we loved nine two one on Melrose Place, like
we this was our time? How was your time? That
was our time? Okay, you guys. You we know you
from obviously from like you know, Fox things. We were
all in the same kind of in the same boat. Yeah,
we went to a bunch of events and we went
to Uh. I think I ran into you over in
(18:40):
Europe too, you were doing the whole tour over there.
I remember we went out to dinner. That's right, that's right.
Was it Israel Isel? She never told me about that. Look,
they're mad at me now. I didn't tell them. Um
and and uh and we we were on nine or
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two or no, and you were on Mills Place. So
it's like kind of like you know, we're brothers and sisters, cousin.
It's like part of the Spelling family to story into it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it is true. I have to say, and
I've never said this publicly, not I guess this is
public um, But your dad, Tory, he had had a huge,
(19:27):
huge impact on my life obviously because it really he
was really the one who kind of plucked me out
of nowhere and stuck me into that show. How did
that happen? Like, how did he plucked you out of nowhere?
Where were you and how did it happened? Very well,
so I had just started auditioning for things, and I
got in a small part in the Wonder Years. I
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had three lines, and I had moved out to l A.
I had spent a year in New York where I
auditioned about a hundred and twenty two times. I had
a little black book and I got zero callbacks. After
then I came out to l A. And I was
only there for about three months, and I got a
pilot which was a spelling pilot, and it was really
(20:10):
because Aaron had had produced Soap Dish, which is the
movie my sister was in where he was kind of
familiar with Oliz the Shoe. Oh she's great, and then oh,
this is her brother, and so he I think he
got intrigued. And so there was a pilot called Gulf
City which had these two is kind of a star
skin Hutch type deal, and we did a five day
shoot down in Florida, and which was a miracle when
(20:32):
I got that part of just like, oh my gosh,
I'm gonna be on a TV show. And of course
we know how many pilots don't get picked up. And
it turned out that they had hired somebody else for
Billy on Melrose Place and they didn't love him after
the first day back. So he was let go after
the first day because he was he was the way
(20:54):
he was playing the relationship with Alison was not the
right way, and there was a bunch of other things.
I think they just decided. And so Aaron calls me
at my dollar a month apartment, uh right off of
Hollywood Boulevard where somebody was murdered outside um and says, hey, babe,
I need you to come over to my house tomorrow
(21:16):
for kind of an emergency audition. You're not really auditioning,
You're just gonna be reading with people. I just need
to do this favor. So he basically downplayed the whole
thing like this is not a big deal. And there
were thirty people there. I drove in with my little
eighty two Mazda and and parked in the park that
I was valet. And then after three hours of going
into that office, you know, wall to wall bound leather
(21:40):
copies of every show he had ever produced, and Peter
Chernin's in there, and every person from boxes there and
we're all reading with Courtney, and thirty people read with Courtney,
and people thirty people read, and about ten people read
a second time, and two of us were about to
read a third time when I heard Aaron talking to
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Peter Chernon and then seeing that last guy walk out
the door. And then Aaron comes over to me and
he says, you got the part, babe, and what I
was like, what, what do you mean? I wanted to
do a Gulf City. That's such a cool show, he said,
Gulf City got canceled two days ago. Look at that.
(22:22):
And then then you didn't tell me. I came over
there and basically just flirted my butt off with Courtney
and uh, and then I was shooting on Monday. That's what.
Did you know who Corney was? Because she had I
didn't really know much about anything, and now I didn't.
I did not know. No, I was just I was
(22:42):
kind of the whole thing. But he totally obviously took
a risk, you know, put me in there, and uh,
yeah it was. It was awesome. So there's very few
things I don't remember. I remember a lot. I did
not remember that story until you started telling it, and
then it all came back. It all came back being
(23:03):
being at the house watching Gulf City, remembering that he
was like, this is the guy. And then after that.
So my dad, I think there's only two times that
he's actually said to a network no, no, no no, this
is who I want and this is who we're casting.
And it was Luke Berry and Andrew's shoe. So now
I remember the whole thing. Yes, yeah, it's true, and
(23:25):
the network was like okay. And then the other great
moment I have with your dad was after we were
getting towards the fifth year and we were going to
have to renegotiate a contract, he called me and just said, hey,
you know, we gotta figure out you know, you're six.
Why don't you just come into the office. And so
I just negotiated the contract with him directly what he
(23:47):
and he literally took out a laminated card that had
everybody's salary on it and talked me through it. And
I was like, well, you know, here's Heather and and
what do you think is fair? And I basically, you know,
gave him my number and which wasn't as high as
Heather's and he's like and he's like, okay, done. Jenny
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liked him better. Yeah, I never got I never got negotiating,
no meetings. That's amazing. Was your intention always to become
an actor? Because I remember at the time, everyone always
used to talk about like Andrew Shoe went to Dartmouth,
he's so smart, blah blah blah, like when you were
in a soccer place, all those things. So did you
(24:28):
intend to become an actor or was your sister inspiring you?
Like how did that happen? Yeah, that was another kind
of crazy story. I did not intend to be an actor.
I was thinking about being a lawyer, and unfortunately I
had my older brother died in an accident, which was
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going into my senior year in college, and so after
that I was just kind of a kind of search
for the meaning of life. And I went over and
spend a year in Africa teaching and playing soccer over there.
And during that year, kind of another random thing happened
where um, I had gone to the soap dish premiere
with my sister and a picture of the two of
us came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and the head
(25:11):
of casting Universal Pictures called my sister's agent after seeing
the picture. I don't see why she would do this
just after seeing a picture, but she said, is is Elizabeth.
She's brother and actor, And so the agent then thought
that was so kind of crazy that the agent called
my sister and said, you're not gonna believe this, but
this person wanted to know if your brothers and actor,
what should I tell her? And then my sister says, yeah,
(25:33):
tell him, tell her that he is. I was living
in Africa at the time, had no interest in being
an actor. So then she called me. And back then,
you know, now you can like call on your cell phone,
it's unbelievable, or even FaceTime. Back then, like it was
like the phone would ring like and it was as
if the moon was calling while I was over there.
Because it cost ten dollars a minute, and and it
was very exciting. I would only talk for five minutes
(25:54):
when you know, once a month. So my sister calls
and she's like, you're never gonna believe what happened and
if and I never I always told the story that
it was her excitement and enthusiasm that made me think
it was a big deal. And then when she said,
and I told him you are an actor, I'm not
sure why, but I just figured I might as well
create an option for you. So then I had a
fully I had a whole weird to think about this
(26:15):
for a year I'm thinking, all right, you're in Africa
thinking wait, I could be an actor an actor, or
I could you know, be an FBI agent because I
just read Silence of the lamp Um and uh so
when I came back and I was thinking, you know what,
this might I should try it. So then I had
I went at a meeting with her acting coach and
that was another faithful moment where she said, you're it
(26:38):
seems like you're just as talent as she is. Why not?
So yeah, that was like a crazy twist. So I
did feel like the role he is weird. And of course,
then after getting off the show and thinking through whether
I wanted to be you do this rest of my life,
I kind of decided to go into business and and
uh and and yeah, I felt like, I mean, you
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guys have seen it's it's a very topsy turvy career
and and you don't really have a lot of control
over it. And I wanted to raise my kids back
East And so is that where you are now? Back East? Yeah? Yeah,
I live live in Manhattan. Is there anything you can't do?
I feel like everything you touch turns to gold and
(27:21):
that says you're a billionaire. But we're just going to
throw that out to you. But yeah, that's that's actually
not totally true, and it's definitely definitely not true the
way he said totally definitely. We don't usually look at
le's net worth before they come on the show, just say,
you know, but this just happens doing I was doing
my research and it just comes up, like what am
I supposed to do? I couldn't like not like guys,
(27:43):
he's looking away. It's never true, but they're never they're
never true, and mind them whatever that it's way off
and not true. Okay, Jen and I played detectives on
TV for one season, and we know that when you
look away and you don't look right into camera into
our eyes, you're not completely telling the truth. Mr Shoe
(28:05):
was going like that, did you learn that from our
stint on Mystery Girls? Well, Cagney and Lacy way back
when I thought i'd give our show credits. So you
were on Melrose Place for I thinks six seasons? Is that? Ita?
And you left early? I left a year early, probably,
(28:29):
you know what. I actually was contemplating thinking like, all right,
this is one of those things if you're stay on
the show too long. But it's hard to make a
leap to anything else. Didn't hurt our careers. I'm just going.
And so I tried to have have it both ways.
I said, well, what if I do half the episodes?
And they were like, no, you can't either kind of
(28:50):
got to do it all and I thought, all right,
I'll let it go. Um. So it was only one
year and uh, and then actually the six years unbelievable
because I don't know you guys were doing this sudden
I think you were. We were shooting double episodes. We
had we had two crews and we were doing thirty
five episodes for the year, and uh, and you know
(29:13):
it was. It was amazing. So there will be times
where we would be shooting a scene and then right
afterwards shooting another scene that could have been like two
episodes ago. But it got confused. Did you all keep
that straight? You couldn't keep trying. We just had to
go Yeah, you had to have somebody explain on kids,
Who am I what? Yeah? What have I been through?
(29:34):
The killer already? Did she already hit her hand in
the pool? Did she rip off her wig? And there
was a giant scar? So Jenny has not seen there's
a Scar. Oh my gosh, it's Jenny has seen three
episodes now, that's it before. She never watched it before.
(29:56):
The good news is she's watching it for the first
time and she loves it, like obsessed with it. Yeah,
Amy and I were huge fans, like not just because
it was my dad show, like I watched Miller's Place.
I didn't even watch my own show sometimes, but always
watch Mallrow's Place. Did you watch nine O two one, oh, Andrew, Like,
did you know that this was a spinoff of that?
And who these guys were? What did you say about
(30:18):
looking away from the he's a fan of our show? Okay, Yeah,
I would not have been your typical kind of nighttime
soap fan. I would never watch Moor's Place. You were
in the sorority with me and thirty friends watching they
started back to back. I know, I know I was.
(30:39):
I was a sports guy and a documentary guy and
I didn't really even watch TV like at night at
that time. Do you still play soccer? I do still
play soccer, and my kids play soccer and it's awesome.
But what's your position? I was a midfielder. I am
a midfielder. Yeah, actually had a goal in a game
(31:01):
two weeks ago. Nice, you still got it? People. Wait,
do you do you coach the kids? My kids are
really old now? I have well Amy, you know, I remarried.
Amy has two girls, and I have three boys. But
all three mine are now, two are out of college,
ones in college. Wow, I guess because you have a
blended family. Yeah, year old. But I can't imagine showing
(31:26):
up and like my soccer coach where my kids Andrew shoo, yes, yes,
like crazy, But I guess they wouldn't know. Were the
mom's like yeah at that time. Again, we're a lot
younger back then, so the closer to the time when
the show had just come off the air, because when
I was I only coached my kids up until they
were probably nine, and then I let you know some
(31:48):
of their little um So that was down in Princeton,
New Jersey, and uh yeah it was. It was fun.
Everybody was sweet. Yeah, those those shows are Everybody just
had a kind of warm feeling about them. I always
(32:12):
had such mad respect for you because you I felt
like you were doing more, like you started up your
own organization, right, what was it? Do something right? I
remember that vividly, and I remember thinking, Wow, this guy
is doing something better than the rest, like it just
you know, I don't know. I just feel like you
were making a difference, Like what was your inspiration and
(32:33):
like how did that start for you? Well, you're sweet
and I remember you guys coming to a few events
to support do something which was great. And it does
go back to my brother and and kind of searching
for more meaning. I think I felt like a lot
of that had in a way giving me a different
kind of confidence to try things because I didn't I
(32:56):
didn't I wasn't bound by the same rules of like, oh,
that will never happen and why would you do that?
I just say, like I don't, I don't know, why not,
you know, just just try it. And so then I
think once I I found myself on a Tonight show
or doing things like this, I thought, this is just
so weird promoting yourself and uh so then it kind
of just went back to my childhood where my dad
(33:18):
had inspired me to to do projects. My two both
of my brothers, were Eagle Scouts, and so they had
done big service projects and I felt guilty when I
quit Boy Scouts, and so I had done a project
when I was in high school, uh called Students Serving
Seniors because my dad said, you know, just because you
didn't do boy Scouts doesn't mean you don't have you
(33:40):
wouldn't you know, you you would get a lot out
of doing a service project. So I created this group
with with a bunch of my friends called Students Serving Seniors.
And that experience to me was transformative because it it
just showed me how valuable it is to connect with
others to do something that's beyond yourself. Uh. And so
(34:01):
then when I got on the show, I thought, Wow,
what an opportunity to do something like that. So you
do something still running full steam right now, years later,
and feel very fortunate for you. Yeah. But so again
it was about having other mentors and other teachers nudging
me and pushing me and saying, hey, you know what
(34:22):
life life is. I mean people talked about this life
life is meaningful when shared life is rich, When when
you're sharing with others and giving back to others, it's
it's kind of an empty world when you're just looking
to take for yourself. That's very true. And you also
started up like you cod is this with your wife
(34:44):
that you started another organization? Um, so right now that
we we just wrote up a children's book, children's We've
had a children's book that actually we didn't we weren't
thinking about it when we first talked about it. It's
called Better Together. It's about a blended fanly of squirrels
and nick monks who find themselves after a storm kind
(35:05):
of stuck together in this in this hollow of a log,
and they and then they realize that they do everything differently,
so they have so much fun. And then they're like, yeah,
but you do things differently, so let's go back. And
then as soon as they go apart, they miss each
other so much that they all come back together and
they end up creating a family called the mc Squirrelies.
And so we wrote this book and when when it
(35:27):
was coming together, just realized what was going on in
the country and just thought, wow, it's it's really is
a time where we all just have to take a
deep breath and and think about how uh, how much
we would gain by trying to understand each other and
trying to share more together. And I really do think
(35:49):
that we're at a place now, We're in such an
insecure place as a country that the people you know
in sadly and it's really in a weakness. We all
kind of go to our owners and go to our
tribes and and and get combative. So I think it's
it's time if we're going to see our strength. Our
strength is to go towards each other. Strength is to
(36:09):
listen with curiosity and trying to understand each other. The
book sounds so timely, first of all, but also you
wait until your kids were grown up to write a
children's book. I find that really interesting. Yeah, well we could.
We joked that we wanted to make sure that the
story ended. Well, it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows for
(36:32):
you guys at first, right, Like, it was actually really
difficult when families are no joke, it's hard. It just
is because there's there's all these layers of of fear
and mistrust really because you're like, do you really love me?
And you really you know? Would you know when your
(36:53):
blood for some reason, even though you might not really
get along, you'll still go to the end of the
yourthe But when you know, when you choose a family
like this, uh, it's just so much harder. And we
had very different parenting styles which also made it very difficult. Yeah,
how did you know you had different parents. Yeah, well,
(37:13):
I just my my parents got the worst. Early. We
were really on our own most of the time. We
were kind of in the we figured out for themselves
type type upbringing. And Amy has had a very strict
Catholic upbringing. Uh, and she felt like my boys needed
some serious discipline and structure. And I kind of agreed
(37:35):
with her. I didn't. I didn't kind of agree with her.
I definitely agree with her, but at the same time,
I couldn't go all the way that she wanted to go.
It's like, this is gonna be too hard, and then
they're gonna think it's you know, they're gonna resent you.
And so we were just constantly in this push pull.
It's like, yeah, but you're giving them, you know. We
all of our arguments became about the kids, just about
(37:55):
I mean, I have a married to a man who
doesn't have children, but he's up dad to my three girls,
and all of a lot of our arguments are about
different my my parenting techniques and his thoughts on them
or how oh he thinks I should do it. Yeah,
And you know what I would just say, and I'll
(38:16):
say this everybody out there, you have to just constantly
being in communication with each other each other. This is
the hardest thing that we're doing. We love each other
and we trust each other's intentions. Now let's talk through
the logistics of what we're actually trying to accomplish, and
not not assume right away that you're trying to do
(38:36):
this because you want power. You're trying to do this
because you want me to feel diminished, Like that isn't
what it's about. And unfortunately, you know, you get very
territorial about it, and you're like, and it's just so hard.
Most most I think it's all second marriages with kids
don't don't succeed. But it's also there's also that part
(38:56):
that's like I find relief in having somebody see it
from a different perspective and give me their two cents about,
like what it looks like from from over there, you know,
because I'm so in it so so often with my
kids that I don't see really making me think of
Billy and Allison, because are you going to say that, No,
(39:20):
I don't want my steps and listen to this. I
don't want him to be like, why didn't you mention me?
So I'm sorry he listened to our podcast every week
episode You Billy that writes this, Jackie, I love you.
I'm sorry. Oh sorry, No, don't worry. Write the scrappy
novel and Allison tells him the truth that it sucks.
So it's like it's bringing all around. If you were
(39:41):
in that position and Amy wrote something, would you tell
her it sucks? Or would you go? I probably wouldn't
tell her that it sucked. Alison said, I hate it. Yeah,
did you watch this episode? Didn't? You didn't watch episode three?
Just to come talk to us, right, you have no
idea what we're talking about. I have a vague me.
(40:07):
I can mention one of your best lines. You have
no taste, just like your lousy castrole. Oh, I kind
of vaguely. Do you remember that another you were in
a fan of Our Castle on a great line. I
remember the number of times I've trying to change the
lines and they like, Andrew, we're gonna have to call
I'm like, all right, let's call what do they call? Really?
(40:28):
Literally called Darren or Yeah? I was wondering it was
Billy Campbell. It felt like there were like little slivers
of Darren Starr in the character of Billy Campbell. Well,
definitely in the pilot he wrote. He wrote the pilot
for sure, but then he wasn't as involved going forward
after that. Like even in this episode, like the third episode,
(40:49):
which Darren did co write, um, just you, Billy talks
about his like upbringing and wanting to be a writer
and his dad not supporting him. And yeah, I'm sure
that that not supporting and all that stuff, but that yeah,
And I've never had a conversation with him about the
kind of the origin of Billy, but it did assume
(41:09):
that it was linked to Darren, like that that character.
If there was a character that was linked to Darren personally,
that it would have been Billy May. Is it okay
to ask about your off screen relationship with Courtney Thorne Smith? Sure,
I mean it was public, like I miss, always fascinating,
like the relationship now or back then? Back then? Back
(41:32):
then we live in the past. Yes, we do. Sorry, Uh, yeah,
I mean we had a we had a great relationship.
We I would say that I had never been on
a TV show before, and I had never been in
a you know, working in a kind of a It's
intimate in the sense that you're every day you're hanging
(41:52):
out and and and of course the two characters were
having a flirtation during that whole first the first a
couple of seasons really, but so yeah, sparks. Sparks flew
pretty quickly, and and then we started dating and it
was it was great. It was one of the great
(42:14):
relationships of my life. You can tell immediately from the
first episode that you guys have great chemistry. Yeah, she's
she's an awesome person. Uh, funny and smart and h
and professional. That was one thing. All all the people
on the show were so professional and so great. Could
(42:34):
you ever product you Matt would marry Sidney? Sorry Tory
that Matt married Sydney for like they've been like a
hundred years. Laurel lat Man, that's like she did. She
did a grand show first, I know, I know. And
everybody's friends, like we all we all got together recently
for a reunion and everybody was just so genuinely happy
(42:55):
to see each other. And everybody's been so supportive just
to each other's causes. I recently, uh, working on a
on a on a big project trying to figure out
how to heal the wounds in our in our country,
and and and I got Heather involved. She called me
back right away and it was awesome. She's great and
doing great. Um, and so yeah, I feel just a
(43:20):
great warmth about all the relationships with with everybody, and
very and and so fortunate to have, like I said,
just landed into this show and never done anything before
and have such great people. I love it. Well. We
um were interviewed by your wife a couple of years ago.
She's so, she's awesome. She is awesome. Uh, she's a force.
(43:45):
I just talked to her twenty minutes ago and she's
she's set down in Texas. I guess Michael Strahan's going
to going up with just Jeff Bezos is. Oh, that's right.
Uh so there, I guess he's lasting off. Amy's downs
covering it, She's covering it. And and yeah, we Amy's
(44:09):
gotten me running marathons, hiking mountains. Uh. Yeah, we have
We live a very full life. We we uh, we
burn it on all ends, and you know, we just
we don't assume we have more time. We have what
we have right now, and and so we try and
try and just do the things that do the things
and be with the people that brings us the most joy.
(44:32):
We feel very lucky obviously to have uh, you know,
just just have freedom to do these kinds of things.
I think right now, obviously with the pandemic and everything
people are people are still in the world is who
knows how things are going to go here in the
next few months. But we move back into kind of
a a defensive posture. Hopefully not hopefully we're getting to
(44:52):
a place where we can just live with this thing.
But yeah, Amy, Amy is awesome. I I I met
her at a book party and uh what it's been
a whirlwind, whirlwind for thirteen years. What book I want
to know? It was a book party. Uh that was
(45:13):
about he was about moms, and I had started a
company called Cafe Mom, and uh so they wanted me
to come to help promote their When you wrote your
children's book with Amy, could you type or did you
like Billy? That's how funny say that. The reason really
(45:33):
type like that is because Andrew type like that. Really
and Andrews still types like that. So so Sugar Sugarman
as you call her. Yeah, she she claims you went.
She says you went to Dartmouths. You couldn't possibly type
like that, So she thought that They asked you to
do it that way. I like that. How in the
world did you not know how to type? And let's see,
(45:56):
I did take a typing class in high school. Said, oh,
thank goodness. He really didn't hear anything before the Center
for Perfect dormouth with this. The funny thing is my
business partner, my business partner who I went to Columbia
High School with. Uh. He he said, the one. And
he's brilliant. And he literally is brilliant. He was a
(46:19):
chess prodigy. Uh. And he said, the one thing he
learned in high school was how to type, and we
all did. So he's done all the typing forms all
these years. He didn't have to wait before before you go,
I'm Tory and Jenny, I'm sure we'll wrap it up.
But when you showed up at Melrose Place and you
went to the wardrobe department and they told you they
were out of shirt because no one wears a shirt.
(46:45):
You don't wear a shirt Grand Show doesn't wear a
shirt like there are so few shirts. I don't know
if that was there, and but maybe it was just
it was written there in the script must have been Darren,
then nothing. It must have been a darn thing. We
weren't less be wearing shirts. I also didn't wear a belt, uh, surprisingly,
and that became part of Billy's wardrobe that might have
(47:07):
been me too, or I didn't really want to put
on the belt because we were constantly changing our clothes
all the time. And I'm like, you know what, Billy
doesn't wear a belt. It just took too long. You
didn't have the time to buckle the belt. I'd have
to change the well to Max chose and just thought
you did wear the legit Converse sneaks and the green bomber.
So did you have any say in your wardrobe the
(47:29):
first few I did start to change it after a
little bit. I was like, I don't love this. But
in the beginning, I just they had me in some
stuff I would never have normally worn. But I felt
like I had to do whatever they said. I was
so happy to be there. So there was definitely what
I would call some Yeah, did you not wear converse
in real life because it's not a typical athlete attire? Okay, fair? Yeah, yeah, No,
(47:55):
I definitely move in the soccer stuff and I started
getting all that kind of in there to make Bill
a little bit more of a dude, I think your
book is the perfect holiday gift. I saw you guys
on Good Morning America, So that's how shocking. What were you?
How did you get on? That's how I knew about
the book? I know, I know. We stuck on there. Yeah. Yeah,
(48:17):
better together. It's it's out there and the people people
can get it on Amazon. It's that easy. Get it
on Amazon together. You're gonna get it, sugarman, obviously, Oh
my gosh, but we all need to get it. Well.
Since you've been doing the show, ye third season coming up,
(48:38):
it's like one year, but it feels like it's so funny.
You say that though, because we've done it for two seasons.
But it's been like si episodes because there's so many
episodes of nine O two and oh, it's not like
these days. Ten episodes is a season for for Torri
and Jenny, it's like you actually episodes. You watch it
and talk about it as it's happening. Yeah, we watched
(48:58):
yours for a minute. We finished season two of nine
or two one oh, and we wanted to spin over
to watch Kelly and Donna and David and Steve go
to Miller's place. So we did the first three episodes
of Miller's Place, and now we've all fallen in love
with Miller's Place and we're really torn. Do we go
back to Beverly Hills two on? Oh? Where don't we
stick with Miller's Place? Out of podcast? We don't know
(49:20):
what to do. We really are loving Melrose Place, like
I was always a fan, but like I'm like, wait,
I want to go back to nine O two and oh,
but it's just different because we feel like it's good
to have the outside perspective like Meller's Place. We could
do that nine two O. We're so involved in it
sometimes it's hard to like really critique it. Well we do,
you know? Um, Okay, before we go, Um, I have
(49:43):
to admit something to you. I don't know where this
is going, Andrew, I don't know when I'll ever see
you again. Uh, And we're going back to the good
old days. So I told the ladies here that when
we started Melrose, we when my dad started Melro's Place,
but our family started our family. Yes, Um, he was
(50:03):
always he really wanted me to marry an actor, and like,
which not a good idea. Like I don't know why
he was always trying to set me up with actors,
but he was like he was a big fan of yours,
and he was like, oh babe, He's like, you gotta
meet the san Andrew Shoe. So I did a better
impression earlier than in front of you. So I remember
(50:24):
at the premier party and Jen was there too. He
wanted me to meet you, and I think he introduced
us and I was just like so nervous. I was
like hi, and you were like hey, you were really cool,
and then walked away and that was it. That was
the extent of our Remember that I have a vague
memory of kind of a meeting like this. Okay, at
(50:49):
this point, just turned around and look up because you're
not even looking closely to us. I just remember. I
mean you were correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't you
fairly young at that point? Were you you didn't want
to get involved? You were like a yeah, yeah, alright,
(51:10):
so you were like as an adult, now, oh my gosh,
that was the wrong move. He always wanted me to
meet his actors. Why would any of his actors ever
date me? Can you imagine you land a huge job
and then you're going to date the boss's daughter. Bad news?
I do. I do recall meeting you and thinking you
(51:32):
were very sweet, and also thinking, yeah, that would not
be a good idea. Yeah, see, it just confirms all
that that's how you felt like it always went and
there you go. Yes, but you were incredibly sweet. Thank you,
Yeah you got This is great, This is cool and
and fun that you're doing this. Thanks for being here.
You have so much fun. And we've had so much
(51:53):
fun watching your show and watching how it all began.
And you were a superstar from the moment you stepped
on the screen. Well I was lucky, lucky, lucky to
be on that screen. I don't know how it happened,
but you were both meant to be exactly And I
know that we will see each other again. Yeah, I hope, so,
(52:15):
I hope. So, Yes, call us when you need us.
We'll be there. We will. Good luck with the book.
See later, byee you. We didn't do kiss, marry or
kick guys. He lives up to every single he's killing,
(52:38):
and he would have. He's a very good guy. He
can't be that perfect. I was smiling the entire time.
My jaw hurts from smiling. And finally, I didn't want
to be too outwardly like what a great human. He
just seems like a really good guy, right, like a
nice husband, nice, you know, ow nice. He's a good dad.
(53:02):
He's always been like that. That guy is awesome. Oh
my god, he's what we all aspire to be. But
see that goes like he's living proof that if you
want to do something, you just jump in and do it.
So much time saying why it couldn't work, why no
one would want it, why you know, and it's like, wait,
(53:24):
the time we take to tell us ourselves the excuses
we could just be like trying so grateful and appreciative, Tory,
what is that like? These the admiration people have for
your dad. It's like, I know I've asked you about
that before, but it's like, what is that like for you?
Because these people he changed their wives, he gave them
their lives. Basically, it makes me feel really good. Um,
(53:47):
the ones that are grateful and are like, you know,
like it doesn't that doesn't always isn't always the way,
And it's so nice like to hear genuinely his fond
memories because he and I have never talked about it.
You know, I've heard from like Luke and Jason, and
I like, like, you know, I've heard that from the boys,
but to hear from Andrew like that made me really happy.
(54:09):
When he believed in someone, he went all the way
with it. My dad was like that, there was no
stopping him. That he believed in you, and he was
often really obviously right. He was right about because chills,
he just nailed it time after time. We take a break.
I'm I need water. Yeahs I might. I sort of
(54:29):
have tears, but I'm trying to like, I don't know why. Okay,
let's take a break. You girls can't compose yourselves, and
we'll come back. You were smiling pretty big too. Okay,
(54:51):
so we've been talking you guys, Amy, why don't you
tell our listeners we ran out of time because we
so enamored and we could listen to Andrew Shoe all day, Like,
I'm sad he's gone. Like, so we're going to do
a extra episode to talk more about Mellor's place, because yeah,
(55:13):
we didn't really get into the nitty gritty of the
whole episode, and we can't just not a lot to say.
It's Kelly's last episode, the last crossover episode, and we
want to we want to talk about it. Yeah, we're excited,
but it would be great if you guys have any
questions or anything you want to talk about about the
last the third episode of Mellor's Place, or Andrew shoe
(55:35):
or men not wearing shirts, whatever you want to talk about.
Just send us your questions, you guys. He said, I
was sweet. Oh it was crushy too, the whole thing
that was amazing. Oh my gosh, you know what. I
gotta admit that was cathartic for me to talk to him,
and I wasn't going to and generally shocked I brought
it up. No, no, oh my god, I was dying
(55:57):
inside and it took everything in my power to ring
it up because I was super nervous and I just
wanted to say it. And it's cathartic because I never
I've always thought like, oh, was something wrong with me?
But I mean a little bit. Probably met a lot
of men and guys. Did you think that every time
one of them didn't like you know, yeah, in hindsight,
(56:20):
like my dad shouldn't have set me up with his
actors because I didn't get it back then. I was
a young girl, so I just thought, oh am, I
not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough, Like, why don't
they like me? Like he did it with the guy
from Models Inc. The lead there. He set me up
with him, like he just kept doing it and of
course they're not going to go out. What was that
babe's name? Um? Oh my god, who was that guy?
(56:43):
He would he took me, He took me, so I
was We have to talk about this another day. It's
like a whole story, a Jamie Walter story too, so
he's involved. It wasn't that Eric Hexson. Wasn't no making
him a male model that shot himself find mistake on set?
No making of a Male Model a TV movie my
(57:04):
dad did in the eighties. Oh so I sort of
was right, but yet totally wrong. Okay, So there you
have it, people. We will come back next week with
another episode where we actually really do talk about episode
three of the Place, and we will try to get
it all out there. I love you guys. By
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Tori Spelling
Jennie Garth
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