Happy Halloween! (S2 E13, “Halloween”)

It's "Halloween in July" ...and 90210MG! we're all dressed up!

Is Halloween the perfect time to dress sexy...now and back then?

 

There is a lot to discuss this Halloween. The episode has it's very serious moments as well as mullets and sideburns galore.

Plus, Ever been egged? Jennie's got an eggcellent story you won't believe.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello everybody, it's
another episode of nine two one. OMG, Hi guys, Hey,
Hi party people. Um. Okay, so this is the Halloween episode.

(00:21):
And Jenna and I dressed up and you didn't dress up?
Well no, no, I did dress up. Let's let's describe
what you guys are wearing. So Tori is a kitty cat.
I know, it's so original. I'm super pround. You got
the cute cat ears. They're very sexy cat eers episode,
and we we forgot to dress up. So this was

(00:42):
very last minute, honestly, and we both turned on our
zoom link and I saw that we were dressed as
the same thing. Basically, you guys did not call each
other no, so you found okay. So then, and Jenny,
you're wearing a mini mouse ears very cute. So you've
got the whiskers as well. You guys both have whiskers on.

(01:02):
Oh that's what mouse says? What as the mouse does it? Like? Okay,
So whipped this up about fifteen minutes ago. I'll bring
my screen down a little bit. It's well, you know what,
let me stand up what it's a it's a barbie

(01:22):
to think outside the box. Think outside. Barbie is on
a ball, dollar flying splits, splits over the bump. Oh no,
but think more Miley Cyrus, Oh wrecking Ball. Hello, you're
dressed like a Miley Cyrus from her Wrecking Ball video.

(01:44):
I love it. That's really good. You're very creative sissy.
For a second, I thought it was Jen's doll. I
thought it was the Kelly Taylor doll. I would never
do that to her doll. Yeah, I get Yeah, that
is very good of you to whip that up in
the last minute. I was a quick Google search. I said, um,

(02:05):
last minute pregnant Halloween costume, and this was one of
them that came up. And I was like, don't you
see that? Take credit for that. That was a really
good one. Okay, well, thank you. So. Um, you know,
people do Christmas and July, so we're doing Halloween and
July Halloween and July. Happy Halloween. Very spooky, that was
my spooky voice. Sorry, yeah, very festive that we we

(02:30):
dressed up because we wanted to have fun today. True,
but if so so, if you guys are listening, we
have whiskers on and noses. But if you're watching this,
you will see that we have matching noses and whiskers,
and we tend to do this without like people think
all the time that we like coordinate our outfits or

(02:52):
were colors that are the same because we've talked about it,
But it just happens. It's like energetically, it's weird. Even
when you think there's no energy there, it happens. Yeah,
so you guys, this is our first Halloween episode of
nine two one? Oh it is? Is it? Is? It
kind of our first like themed episode. Yes? I thought

(03:15):
it was awesome. I love a themed episode. True, it
was so good. What a good episode? Yeah, this one was.
I liked it a lot. We'll just get right into it.
It was season two episode thirteen, entitled Halloween Hello. It
aired on October thirty one. Synopsis. The Halloween party is

(03:38):
highlighted by Kelly's bewitching costume. Meanwhile, other twins give Brandon
Emily a scare, and David and Scott remember the Good
Old Days. Directed by Michael Gatelman and written by Darren
Starr and Jonathan Roberts, the episode is chalked up full
of it. The whole thing, from beginning to end just

(04:00):
feels like a great Halloween Movie, like you're watching Halloween
Movie because it starts like on the eerie you know
montage with the pumpkins, and it just has that vibe throughout.
And Charles Fleischer. Am I saying his name right, it's
the costume salesman in it. And he was Roger Rabbit.

(04:21):
Oh my gosh. You know what when we're in the
in the um the costume shop, when they go to
like Western Costume Warehouse or whatever, the guy holding up
the costumes, I I thought that he sounded like familiar
or something. He does like all those old voices used

(04:43):
to do, like a bunch of crazy voices. I feel
like he did a lot of like crazy things. While
we were filming, they didn't use that many of them.
You know, we went so they helped. The gang goes
to like we're saying, they go to the costume shop, right,
and they're picking out costumes. And I thought it was

(05:03):
really funny and sort of weird that they that Donna
and Kelly were going to dress as Lucy and Ethel
because you and I always talk about you're Lucy and
I Ethel. Okay, wait wait wait, I heard that in
the scene where they're carving Pumpkins, and I thought I
heard it wrong, and I thought, Brenda and Kelly, we're

(05:24):
going to go as Lucy and Ethel And I was
super sad because yeah, we've always were Lucy and Ethol.
But they go to this costume house and they have
these costume houses here in l A which are amazing.
They have just giant warehouses full of every costume ever
worn in any movie or whatever, like just anything you

(05:46):
want to be and they're so beautiful and professional and
they cost a lot to rent. But the gang goes there,
and I have thought it was kind of interesting because, um,
maybe someday or maybe now, people go to that costume
shop and say, I want to dress like Steve Sanders.
Do you think they have like people go in and say,

(06:06):
I want to look like Dylan McKay, I want the
costume of Brenda Walsh. Totally, yeah, for sure. But wait, okay,
so when you were saying it, you said Western Costumes,
which is the iconic one, and that is where we
filmed it, but they call it Hollywood Costumes in the show,
I think, and I have a question, can people can
the general public go to the Western Costumes? Now? Yeah,

(06:30):
I believe so I've gone to them just as like
a human, just gone and chop first. Because I thought
when we like in the in the olden days, but
like in thirty years ago, wasn't it just like movie
people like stylists. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I think there's
still those ones that it's more like clothes that you
can I don't know, but like which was the place

(06:51):
we filmed? Yeah, the costumes as are out there ready
for you to shop at, and they are amazing. Maybe
this year Halloween will be um a little better than
it was last year. We'll get to dress up and
we'll get to go out and have parties and check
her treat hopefully hopefully not get raisins. Okay, yeah, what

(07:12):
in the hell is she thinking? Like, honestly, I'd rather
get like floss than raisins. I would too. Honestly, that
sounds like, you know, Cindy decides she's going to give
out raisins. You don't. You don't move to Beverly Hills
and give out raisins on Halloween. She's gonna get tepeed
or egged or something one thousand percent, and you're not

(07:36):
Nature's candy. Sorry, Honestly, I'd rather get a prune because
I like raisins, I don't. I don't have like a
anti raisin. But for Halloween candy what a bummer? At
least have them be yogurt covering. I don't mind that. Wait,
have you guys ever been or have you ever tpeed

(07:57):
or egged to someone? Or have you been te pete
or have you been egged? That's my question? Oh the above.
I feel like you were the one teping an egging cists.
I'm just saying, yes, what you did in seventh and

(08:17):
eighth grade, you just that's what you did on You'd
have a slumber party and usually your birthday, and then
you'd go toilet paper in that night and your mom
my mom would drive us and we parked down the street.
She would I was the last one, you know. She
kind of was just like, all right, all rules out there, Yeah,
like let's just live it up. So she would drive

(08:39):
us all we get in her fore Runner and put
all the seats down. So with t P, did you
ever egg anyone? I think we probably did. We did
bad things. We got really in trouble one time because
one of the girls that we were we were t
peing um. One of the girls that was that we
were doing it with us. She turned on the hose

(09:00):
to like wet all the toilet papers so that it
would be terrible to get out. So messed up. It's vandalism,
It's what it is. It's truly. What happened was we
left the water running and it and apparently their garage
was cracked and flooded. Part of their garage. It was

(09:21):
so we didn't obviously do that intentionally, well know, but
anyway get in trouble. No, because they didn't press charges
or anything like, it wasn't so crazy. But they did
call the police. And you know, it's it's essentially kind
of a small knit town and where I grew up

(09:41):
in Orange County, within Orange County, and that Monday, we're
all at school, this is eighth grade. We all get
called the principal's office and we go there and there's
a police officer there and they scared us straight. They
were like, this is what you did, this is how
much it will cost, like blah blah blah blah, and
we just like got left off with the a war
her name, thank god. But I don't think we have
a telepapered ever since that was the last time. I

(10:03):
think you wouldn't go back to that. No, You've got
n yes, because when I was young. Okay, so my
mom was best friends with Nolan Miller, who is the
costume like genius behind like Dynasty and everything. So she
would have him make my costumes every year and they
were elaborate and amazing, but like when you're on the

(10:26):
other end, I was like, I just want a plastic
storebot costume because I just wanted to fit in. And
she made this Marie Antoinette costume with this huge, giant
like powdered wig, and I had this giant costume that
I couldn't move in, which now that I'm thinking, maybe
that's why they write Donna into big dresses and costumes
that she can't move in, because my mom would put
me in costumes I couldn't move in and it wasn't fun.

(10:49):
And I remember going down the street and I got
egged and kids were like laughing at me and pointing
at me, and then I was like, can I go
home now? And they let me go home. It's so mean,
like you were directly egged your human body. I wasn't
that mad, though, because I was like, see I told
you this costume is a joke. But now I look
back a pictures, I'm like, that costume is amazing. But

(11:10):
at eight years old, you don't want to be wearing
like a huge eighteenth century costume. Mm hmm, what about you, Jenny. Um,
I don't remember ever teeping or egging anyone. Um. I
loved really far out in the country so that we
didn't really have any neighbors. But um we I did

(11:31):
get egged very recently. Actually, UM, what yeah, this is
a good one. My name my last house. Um. Apparently
the neighbor that lived just below us on the hillside
didn't like my dogs barking and um, so she decided
to come over, a woman that a professional lady walks
over and egged my front entry the gate. She actually

(11:55):
spray paint did it too, with black spray paint, and
also on the like little callbox which had a camera
in it. Hello. So when we got home we saw it.
I rewound the video footage and saw that it was
my neighbor and you can see her clear as day.
You can see her when she's like spray painting, and

(12:16):
then she goes right at the camera and the camera
goes black like, what, she's so dumb. She didn't know
she was being filmed. She thought that maybe she didn't
care if she if I knew it was her, but
I didn't press charges. But that was I was like,
you got to pay to get this cleaned up? Did

(12:36):
did you call her? Did you knock? Her? Husband was mortified.
He was like, I can't believe she did this. I'm
really sorry she got upset and it was because of
the dogs. Because of the dogs barking. That is crazy.
She's certifiable, Like that's been much. You never know about

(12:57):
your neighbors in l A. Apparently is she nice to now? No? No,
I moved. She was probably really glad when I moved before.
What kind of Halloween costumes did your kids ask for?
Growing up? My kids always wait till the last minute,
and then they're like they create something, which I appreciate

(13:18):
they like, and they make, you know, always dress in
the little group with their friends and everybody dresses alike.
I always made d I y costumes and a lot
of times like food related until they were old enough
to look at pictures, and then they were like, we
don't want to do that anymore. And now they all
just they're in the related like what like you dressed
them up like a twinkie or yeah, like your child.

(13:44):
Hattie was her. She was born in October, so she
was only three weeks old for Halloween and I made
her a turkey costume and she was like bundled up inside.
She didn't go out. It was just for like on
a platter, a little j She was a herky and
like Finn was a piece of sushi. So he had

(14:04):
like his little things like swaddled and then I had
like little the balls on top of the balls. Halloween
is so fun. It is. I'm so glad it will
be back this year. You know what wasn't fun was
the music in this episode. Uh it pulls me out

(14:26):
so hard. I don't know if the music that I'm
listening to on when I watch it on Hulu is
the real music that when it was actually on. I'm
a little confused about that. But it's so hokey and
so like like that there will be in the middle
of a scene and because the dialogue will kind of
go in one direction, they'll start creating the music to
go in that direction, Like can't be little doo Doo

(14:47):
doo doo. It's really distracting to me. It was insane.
Something tells me it was original, Like it was like,
no cosume, I mean, no, Finn, exactly what I'm talking about.
The costume shop. I mean they wanted to have a
little fun, I guess, but then they got But to me,
it was a little too much. But I guess some

(15:08):
people liked it. I'm going to guess there were other
things that were distracting to you in this episode as well.
Um well, I only saw. I think we should do
official boom count for every episode. It's a it's an
ongoing thing. This episode I only saw it one time.
One boom was that thing you were thinking was just distracting? No,

(15:28):
because I know these things distract you. The scene in
the Halloween party, they kept cutting to the same group
of people and the same shot, the same shot of
like the establishing shot of the big poofy guy whatever
he was. It was crazy. I was like, wait, you
just used that one of the shots I was including that,

(15:50):
Like they cut to me as the mermaid, like standing
there rolling my eyes and they cut to me again.
It seems like maybe they were really rushed on time
and they didn't get more footage more you know angles
I didn't really I didn't really notice that, but now
I'm going to watch out for that from moving forward.
But the party looked fun. I thought I wanted to

(16:11):
throw a Halloween party. Have thrown some big Halloween parties.
You probably have two tour um, go all out for Halloween.
I used to. I used to live in a neighborhood
where they would like bus in the checker traders from
all over. We would have thousands of people in our
neighborhood and there was like a stunt show on the
corner and they would shut down the streets. This was
into Luca Lake, but I don't live there any more,

(16:33):
thank goodness. But it was so expensive to just buy
enough candy to give out to everyone. It was crazy.
That is crazy. I remember years ago when you live there, um,
seeing a picture of you and the tabloids they've gotten
a picture of you decorating for Halloween. It was the
cutest photo. Do you remember that? I don't remember. I
remember though, when I was that when I lived in

(16:54):
that house. Um My, the girl's dad used to like
to dress up like he was super into dressing up,
and I was never really that into dressing up and um,
he would dress up like like I can just remember
one year he would dress up as Peter Pan and
the girls would be Tinkerbell and Windy, you know, the
fun little things. And he made me be shm what

(17:19):
he made I can't why didn't you say no? Why
didn't you pick a better character? What else was left
at that point? Nana? It would have been why were
you schmi? You know? And it went that way a

(17:41):
few other Halloweens too. I don't remember specifically like that one,
but like if he was like the night in shining armor,
I was like the horse or something, you know, like
or like he was the prince, I was the witch. Whatever.
He could have been Peter Pan and he could have
been kept in hook or something anything. I don't know what. Wait,
when you guys first got to other, before you had kids,

(18:02):
what were you like partner Halloween costume players? Like? Um No,
I never was a dresser upper until I had kids, really,
And I mean when when I was a kid, I did,
but as like a young adult, I didn't really dress up.
And I was got married so early that I went
from being a teenager right to being married. So but yeah,

(18:24):
people do that, though they dress up in like like
Brenda and Dylan, Bonnie and Clyde. So cute. Um, I
love that when the couple dresses like partners in crime. Yeah,
that would be like like if in your family, like
he would have been Dylan and like had all the

(18:45):
girls dresses like Kelly and Brenda and Donna, and then
you would have been nats right what he would have done.
I'm so mad about that we call him up, but
I don't know. Furious really funny though. You know what
I wondered though, was how did you How did Donna?

(19:06):
Like if I if I was watching the show and
I thought it was real, which people do. Um, I
was like, how did Donna even get to the party
in that outfit? Like how did you get to that
spot in front of the food table where we first
see you as a mermaid? How did we how did
you get there? That's a good question. And there wasn't
uber back then, you guys, now, somebody you had to

(19:28):
be there lifted in because you couldn't have walked. I've
I feel like they had to bring me in on
what were those things where they Yeah, they had to
doll you in? You did you look great? That was
a great costume, the mermaid costume. Was it truly that tight?
Mm hmm yeah, I honestly couldn't move, but it kind

(19:50):
of defeats the purpose. Like Kelly tries to get Donna
to dress like something sexy and she's like, no, I
can never pull that off. And then she's like basically
naked in a mermaid's tail. Was She's like, it's girls, Like,
it didn't make sense that part. It was like it's
gonna win funny as costume. I'm like, well, it's not
exactly funny. Yeah, you were a sexy mermaid. I feel

(20:11):
like you all had your entrances coming in, you know,
Bunnie and Clyde and then Donna and then finally Kelly,
and they do like the pan up from your legs
all the way to the top, and they really made
a big deal of how sexy the costume. That was
like a head turner moment. Everybody in the party stopped
breathing for a few minutes. And but I didn't get it.

(20:34):
I didn't I heard. I didn't really think her costume
was that like risque or revealing or anything. It was
black and it was like witchy. I didn't, did you guys?
Think it was super sexual. I mean it was. It
was sexy, and that is probably something like someone could
have worn somewhere else if they were just dressing sexy.

(20:55):
But they could have gone further. It could have gone
further and would have made the story work a little
bit better. But she was. She called herself the Friendly Witch,
and you know, I thought that she the Friendly Witch
had a beautiful French twist to go with her outfit,
with the curls. It was like a lot. There was
a lot of energy put into that hair do I

(21:17):
could tell another episode remember the French twist. Nobody does
that anymore. You got to bring it back. I don't
know about bringing that back. I still do a French
twist sometimes when you like clamp your hair up to
like you know, do the dishes or whatever you like,
twist it up and with the clampy thing, I mean
it is the French. Yeah right. I was annoyed with

(21:39):
Brenda though. She was like so motherly at first, and
I was like, get killing break, she's single, she wants
to skank it up. I mean, what skinking up? And ps,
you're not my mom? Hello? Yeah? It was too much.
It was like appalled and Yeah. Meanwhile, she had a
a you know, a glock or pistol tucked into her pants,

(22:04):
a glock like like like at one of those fanty guns.
She had like a gun tucked into her her poon nanny,
and she pulled it out right in front of her
dad and her brother. Yeah, it was a little like
I was thought, well, if you shouldn't really be talking
to me when you got a gun stuck in your crotch, lady.

(22:25):
But you know what, her afot was probably really hot.
She was just probably a little up tight that night.
She mad. It was like polyester. It was like it
couldn't breathe. Im oh, and then um David was there.
He wasn't supposedly dressed up, but I felt like that
blazer was a costume. He looked like it was like

(22:46):
a magician black though, that's like Halloween colors. It was. Yeah,
it was horrible. Yeah, he didn't stick around for the party.
He went to meet up with Scott Scanlon in the bushes,
which reminded me so much of when I saw that
shot of their two little heads speaking through the bushes
for an uncomfortably long amount of time, by the way,

(23:08):
like they just kept talking and having their moment while
their heads were stuck in the bushes, and um, it
reminded me of Mystery Girls. Do you remember when we
had to do that scene and we were in the
bushes and we had to peek through the bushes. Oh
my gosh, you guys, we had so much fun doing
Mystery Girls. Um. Definitely, I feel like this director never
came back again. I feel like somewhere afterwards they were

(23:30):
all watching and they're like, good episode, but just not
very nine two one. Oh right, I don't know did
he even? I really don't know. If you don't think so,
I don't know. I don't recognize his name. Well, the
episode takes a turn, and I think we should get
into that. We need to take a break. Okay, so

(24:02):
you're saying the episode took a turn. What do you
mean by that? Says like became more of a after
school special kind of thing. It gave an after school
special vibe, and then it was all back to centered
around Kelly's outfit And was it too you know, revealing
or were you giving off a message by wearing that

(24:24):
outfit per se? What do you think about that concept
of like we we as women have to dress a
certain way so that we don't get um sexualized by
you know, or or or worse by men. The bummer
it is, Yeah, do you mean guys come on down

(24:47):
with their shirts off right and women aren't. Like, Oh,
my daughter just told me she was walking with her
friend from her school to the mall the other day,
which I just recently let her start doing. Told he
freaks me out. But it's like a block away. Uh.
She she was like, yeah, we got she said, we
got cat called, and that's a who cat called. Just

(25:11):
some guys driving by, and she said they were like
they looked like they were construction guys, like Olderman. You.
I can't believe that still happens. I can't either. Yeah,
that happened to me one time, like in the last
couple of years. One time, and then one time I
think I might have told you about this. And then um,
the guy was like next to me, kept pulling up,

(25:31):
kept pulling up, and I was like looking down, adjusting.
I was doing my music and I and then I
looked and then he saw he was like old he was.
He was like he saw he was like they think
it's gonna be good. Yeah, And then he's like because
Jenna and I have talked about since this hasn't happened
to you yet. When you turn you pass that point

(25:54):
where you think you're still like oh young and a looker,
and men are like, oh, there's some moms and not melts.
There's like, yeah, you reach the age where you kind
of become invisible to God. But you're saying you weren't
invisible from the back, So there you go. You've got
a compliment. At least that should make you feel better.

(26:14):
Do you want to be visible to men, even though
if you're in a relationship like with a husband or boyfriend. No,
I've never been one that like wants that attention or like, yeah,
that wants to be spotted in a crowd like I don't.
I've never been one to want to stand out. So
I always get really super uncomfortable when that kind of
thing happens. I get a little uncomfortable right now because

(26:36):
I'm like nine months pregnant and I went to Um
Cascades concert at Sofi Stadium this past weekend and I
was like, um, the pregnant girl in the suite right now,
Like I just kind of felt like, you know, everyone's there,
like party, definitely was not partying. No, that's the kind
of thing about pregnant is like you do You're like, Hi,

(26:57):
it's just me over here, make baby. I'll be in
the corner, just making a baby. I feel I think
women can should and where whatever they want. What am
I trying to say here? I I feel like they
should dress however they want, and it doesn't mean that

(27:18):
they're asking for anything. That's if it makes you feel good.
And it used to be the one night of the
year that you're like, Okay, I'm not a slut, I'm
not a whore. If I want to dress a little sexy,
I'm gonna do it, and it's for me. It's not
about men's attention. I mean, it's funny because like teenage

(27:38):
girls take that opportunity to make it a big sexy
situation like where release can be outfits sometimes and and
that's their night to shine, you know. Nice I can
dress sexy because it's a costume and I can get
away with it. Yeah. I don't know, but I feel
like that's changing now because now everything they wear is skimpy.

(27:59):
It so the skirts are so short, like and the
tops are I guess I can't speak like when you
sound like I know they are. I know forget it's true,
though it's true. Music is too loud and the skirts
are too short. Do you have rules with your daughters

(28:23):
of what they can wear and not wear? I just
am like they She'll one of my daughters like wears
little tank tops that kind of show her tummy. Now
m h and yeah, I don't love it, but she
usually covers up with a sweatshirt like halfway on, halfway off,
kind of a look. You know, that's what they're doing
these days, the kids. But I feel like they they

(28:48):
don't want to show their bodies anymore than I want
them to. Really, mine are younger. I'm just getting to
the point where my third year old is trying to
fit in and and dress like that. It's still hard
because she's my baby, so it's hard for me to
see it. And I'm like I just tell her. I'm like,
you have to remember it a cross your legs now,

(29:08):
you can't like just bend you. The other day we're
out and she bent over to pick something up and
I was like, still, I see your butt. I see
your butt. I was like, momm calmed down, but yeah,
and I was like, oh, teen drama. What's happening? Oh
my gosh, Okay, but I thought it was funny. I
mean that that's what the I guess the point of

(29:28):
this whole storyline was was to Kelly felt confident and
she felt beautiful, and I think that's what matters. And
and people like Brenda and Steve were kind of saying
you shouldn't do that, You shouldn't be putting yourself out
there like that is that is that a thing a

(29:49):
friend should or shouldn't do or say? You know, I
think in this case it needed to be said, based
on what ended up happening towards the end of the
episode of Kelly's that there was like both sides of
the story. I think, like so if you had the
rewind button, you could like just rewind it and then

(30:11):
go back because you knew what was going to happen.
I'm just kidding, well, I think that, you know, like
sometimes even with you and me, like you'll be wearing
something and you won't even notice, but it'll be a
little too low and I'll like come over and on
the boobs, like cover those up just a little bit more. So,
I guess it never really ends. It's always in the

(30:32):
best interest, right, So Brenda and Steve had the best
interest of what they said to Kelly and Donna. But yeah,
I didn't think it came across the right way. Like
it wasn't. Obviously we know what ended up happening. But
I thought Kelly looked beautiful and like, I feel like
at seventeen, I would have told you look great, like
I don't think there it wasn't too much. I don't know,

(30:55):
it's hard to say. And then Steve was trying to
tell Donna, like, you look like a trout. It's like, well,
she's can dress. However she went out, I mean a trout.
I don't know. Did Donna's stand there just squirming like that?
The whole party like did how long did you have
to stand there and squirm and look uncomfortable and awkward? Like?
Do that? I feel like, if I think back to

(31:17):
it right now, he made me do one, like one shot,
one or two shots that was, and they just kept
recycling it, kept cutting different places, yeah, and I was like,
is he gonna cut it? Is he gonna cut just
kept doing it. Kelly was turning away the guys. I
thought it was hilarious when she turned away the art vark.
I mean it wouldn't. I can't really blame her. Oh

(31:40):
my gosh. Remember the guy that wanted you to meet
him outside? Yes? Remember that was Remember Click? Was he
dressed for pinder pants? That was Click? Yeah. We used
to be friends with him, but I don't even remember
how we met him originally and friends with him. I
know he was. He was always there. He was always
remembered in the dressing rooms, were like, who is this guy?

(32:01):
What's he doing here? And he acted like he was
so comfortable being there to like all the time, like
other weeks. Yeah, yeah, I think that's why he was
or Shannon. I thought it was Shannon. It was. It
got weird. I saw him years later though, but he didn't.

(32:23):
It was like the party was like, all, there you
are thirty years later. He's a nice guy. He did
a good job, though. Is the slimy Robin hood? Mm hm? Yeah.
What they're telling us that he was on a total
of six episodes, Michael set up be this one being

(32:44):
the first cliff Cliff wise on six episodes. Huh, Well,
he was always there, so I guess they's threw a minute.
I don't know. We didn't hire anybody, I'll bring that
kid in that's hanging out by the lunch line. So
if that happens, are they paid? Yes, of course he
was there. He wasn't stupid. He's the stand around wait
for a big moment. I feel like he was on

(33:07):
other like he was an actor. Wasn't like it was
his only thing. Halloween was the first episode season ten.
He was all the way into season ten. My mind
is blown right now. We got to have him on
the show and talk to him about how this how
did he get these jobs? How did this all start?
Let's get Michael Seta on the show. And I don't

(33:27):
even know if I'm saying his last name, right Setta,
that's the character. I think his name was Cliff Dorfman.
I'll never forget that name, Cliff Dorfman. Let's get Cliff
Dorfman on the show. Oh my god, please, let's book

(33:50):
him next week. Cliff Dorfman. Okay. So, and then all
the time that this is happening, Kelly's almost getting ripe.
I know that anytime anyone asked me like, oh, what
are all the things that happened to Kelly over the
course of the ten years of the show, all the dramas,
you know, I'm like, oh, she did this, she did this,
and she almost got raped. This is all we Oh,

(34:12):
this is almost got raped episode that I'm referring to
because she almost got raped too, and she's talking about
the slumber party thing, right, but this is when we
get to see. Unfortunately, it was very cringe e. I
was super cringe e watching Kelly and um the cowboy flirt.
It has made me so uncomfortable watching it. Did you

(34:35):
watch by herself or did you watch with anybody else?
I watched it by myself. Okay, I thought he was
good though, Yeah, he was great. That The actor that
played the cowboy Anthony Stark. And then you guys on
the the people that weren't at the party were Brandon
and Emily, and Emily has gone taken her the twins

(34:58):
to go trigger treating at Brandon's house and then they
end up going together and then they end up losing
the kids, which was terrifying, but then all ends well,
of course, and they end up at the peach Pit
where they have their first big smooth r rooney. Yeah,

(35:19):
right there in front of Nat and all the customers
to see. I was like, guys, they don't do that
at work something. It was a good kiss though m
we said before we didn't really feel like they had chemistry.
I felt like it was building in this episode and
starting to be a little bit more visible. Definitely. I

(35:41):
felt like Emily was a little off character in this
episode though, but I guess there was an other side
to her. I guess that was good. I don't know.
I thought the storyline was a little bores me more,
but I like that. I like they ended up being
together and kissing. I like that part, but the whole
like losing the kids and like, I don't know, I

(36:01):
just wanted to get back to the Halloween party. Wanted
more of the Halloween party. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah,
Like I just didn't want to leave it. I guess
I would. I wish that all the storylines have been
at the Halloween party. The others felt distracting when they weren't,
Like the David and Scott storyline and egging in the bushes. Yeah,
I feel like the Scott says that he loves the

(36:24):
Wis you say I love drama or I love danger?
Scott Scallen says, I love danger. He never strikes me
as a guy that loves the danger. But I guess
building up building, Yeah, I guess there. They have a
plan in place too. Um write towards what's coming up

(36:44):
as a storyline for his was Andrea in this episode?
She wasn't the beginning she was in the I think
she just worked. She just worked the whole time. She
stayed in the newspaper office and never came out. Yeah,
she didn't go to the party. M do we know why?
I never said M. Never explained what was she Maybe

(37:07):
she was doing something she hit days off. She never
really went to parties though, it's kind of like understood
a weird way. Yeah she did. She would have to
take the bus, and maybe the bus didn't go to
that location. Um, well she could have picked me up,
because I obviously need someone to give me a ride

(37:29):
there and carry me in. But tory, being that you
grew up in Beverly Hills, did you ever uh come
over the hill into the valley and come to house
parties or that was that like a poo pooed on idea?
I did once, Like even though I grew up on
the West Side in l a like, I ended up
being best friends at the end of high school with

(37:51):
valley kids. So I ended up like at the end
of high school, always going to the valley. It's funny
because even like in the movie Clueless, they make a
big deal of like how it's in the valley, like
it's gonna get broken up. Like I just didn't know
if that was a thing in real life. Now it
really helps people suck valley's where it was at. Well,

(38:14):
we have we've talked a lot of fashion, even though
we have that coming up and we haven't talked best lines.
We have a few questions. If you guys are up
for it, I think we should take a break and
come right back. Oh yeah, this episode was all about

(38:39):
the fashion, the costumes, so we talked. We covered you know,
Kelly's costume, Donna's costume. UM. I loved the um Bonnie
and Clyde thing. I thought that was really cool. Although
I was a little like scared of Dylan's machine gun.
I thought, did they do they still give out costumes
with guns these days? I don't think I would want

(39:01):
my kid to have that prop. I did even have
a stigma with like water guns, but that one looked real,
that looked like the real thing. Yeah, yeah, did you
guys have any other fashion um Steve's Zoro outfit, Yeah
he did. He looked very handsome. I feel like his

(39:23):
mullet was even more intense this episode when he wasn't
in costume. You could really was like poofed up in
the back. Yeah, like you could have braided it slightly.
The guys that Jason and Brandon were sporting their sideburns,
so he maybe felt pressure like he had to have
some signature. Look. The mullet was his signature look. Apparently

(39:47):
it was something. And of course there was Cindy's a
little tiny tie that she wore to give out Halloween Candy.
I thought that was really she went to a lot
of effort to put that tie on in it was
like the shortest little tie and had a little pliny
pumpkin on it. At first I thought it was like
a nod to like Brenda's ties that she was wearing
throughout the season. Like I was confused, and I was like, oh,

(40:09):
it's a tiny type for Halloween. Tiny tie, tiny favorite lines.
I like Kelly's line Steve with you and me, it's
all imagination. Oh that's good. Mine was from Steve. It
was come on, don't be a squeef squeef again apparently

(40:32):
a big someone like that line in the night. It
really stood out this time because I had the subtitles on,
Like it was like I could see it spelled out,
and I was like, Uh, why do you have the
subtitles on? I always do. I have on every network
and streaming by choice, English subtitles, like because sometimes my

(40:55):
house is so loud and there's kids screaming or people
run around, or I'm always like, how do I get
this off? I don't know how to turn off the subtitles.
I used to not be a subtitle girl, and somebody
else told me that they always have it on, and
I need it now because there's always some sort of
noise in the background, or my husband's cooking something right
in the kitchen's right off the living room. So I

(41:16):
just it's nice you don't find it distracting that you
just like tend to read instead of like listening. Yeah,
that's what happens to me. And when I'm watching it
and the words are down at the bottom, I find
myself reading it and instead of watching what they're doing
to make sure of both. I don't know. I'm so
used to it now now like, if they're not on,
I can't hear anything. And maybe I'm going deaf because

(41:38):
I have headphones on every day of my life, music
blasting in them. Something I'm looking too. Maybe that's something
I've been putting off. But then am I to do list?
Speaking of to do list, you have questions for us,
let's to do them. Yeah, this is from Alexa. Sorry
if we're setting off your actual Alexa by saying that Alexa,

(41:59):
but she's said is I've been reading these comments on
Instagram and there's so many passionate fans when it comes
to relationships on the show, even thirty plus years later.
What do you guys do when you read negative comments
about your characters? Do you get defensive or do you
just ignore it? I don't think I get defensive when

(42:20):
I read negative comments about my character on nine or
two and oh, like my I think it it crosses
the line when they start talking about personally to me
the person or my kids or my whatever my life.
But if it's just related to like, oh I hate Kelly,
she was such a bitch. I couldn't stand Kelly the
sound of her voice. I mean, I've read them all,

(42:42):
but yeah, you know that it doesn't bother me. Like
to each his zone. Some people like Brenda, some people
like Donna, some people like Kelly. Everybody has a different flavor,
so it doesn't really get to me. It's the personal
ones that are a little bit. They get you. They
get you in the heart a little bit. Do you
go in and you you read all the comments? I can't.

(43:03):
I don't read sometimes, and then it takes me down
a rabbit hole. If you go down that rabbit hole
and all you see is that you can read thirty
forty fifty continents that are are positive and make you
feel so good, but you don't read those. You read
the negative ones. Yep. And but I think that talking

(43:26):
about that, maybe we'll bring awareness to people because we're
not the only people who do that. Everybody does that.
Like you know, your mind goes to to those dark
places so easily. So I think it's a good message
for everybody to ignore the negative and stick with the positive.
Go with the positive, whether it's in a comment on
a post on your Instagram or anywhere, whether it's in

(43:48):
your own head. Don't listen to those negative things. It's
so crazy that people feel like if it's a celebrity
or a character that they can that they're not real
to them, So I guess they feel like it's okay,
But I always think, like, how would they feel if
someone said something horrible to them without even knowing them

(44:09):
at all? Like it's just I don't know. I never
answer those like because like on my Instagram, I have
like an email like and it's my Instagram email, so
people can write things there, and usually it's about business.
I don't get many personal ones. But the other day
I happen to read a personal one. And these things
never bother me. I've really thick skin after this many years,
after thirty years. But she was being so mean and

(44:32):
saying how ugly I was, and just it was so
horrifying that actually wrote her back and we talked about this,
and then she was like, oh, I'm sorry, I love you.
I didn't think you read these, and I just meant
you used to be beautiful and you shouldn't inject your
face with anything like botox or filler, And I you know,

(44:54):
I'm one of the people that care about you. You don't.
Obviously you don't have many people that care about either
would tell you not to do that. So I just thought,
my god, I care about you. I literally and then
I was like, okay, am I going to write it
back again? And I'm like no, And so I didn't
write her back again, but it was it upset me
enough that I almost put her her email her comment

(45:16):
to me on my Instagram and said this isn't nice
to do to somebody, like it really upset me. And
like I said, we have thick skin from everything we've
heard over the years from people talking about everything you know,
you know, and if we since we're in the public eye,
and if we do say something bad or or off

(45:39):
you know, off putting to someone or negative about someone,
it'll be picked up and we'll be canceled. You say
the wrong thing these days and you're out. Why doesn't
that apply to people that send in you know, it
should apply to people that are just trolling and being
hateful like that. Imagine they got to work and everyone's like,
we know what you did, and they're like, what are
you talking about? They're like you're canceled, and it's like, yeah,

(46:02):
like it should apply, Like it's crazy. It's so much
more intensified now because everyone has access to just directly
to you in theory. Back in the day, how were
the comments It wasn't just from media outlets then back
in the night, they were like form boards like the internet.
It just started wait, no prey Internet, like you guys

(46:25):
were I don't know, but I used to read the
comments like room. Where was that? Like l it ruined
my life back then, Like I was like sixteen seventeen,
people being like, you have bug eyes, frog eyes, You're
the ugliest thing. Like people always say, why do you
turn to the side, And it's like because people wrote
things like I had at a nose job and my

(46:45):
nose is slightly crooked, but people wrote such horrible things
that I hated my face, like it's a no thing.
Like people need to watch what they say, like it
can like stay with you forever. That's like, let's just
all let's just all be kind how about that? How
about we all just be kind to one another and
give each other a break because life is hard and

(47:08):
we all make mistakes and you know, everybody has their preferences,
but we should all just practice kindness. Let's do that today.
I'm gonna go and be kind to somebody that I
would normally not be kind too. I've already done it
once that I'm gonna do it again, do it again,

(47:29):
all right. Next question is from Linda. She says you
both have had several hairstyles throughout the course of the show.
Did you get to pick your hairstyles or have to
have them pre approved before each season? Did you have
a favorite? Tori? Was it your decision to go brunette
later in the series? That's questions. Um, I feel like

(47:50):
we had free rain. I think we're probably supposed to
check in, but I don't think we did if we
chose to do like haircuts or things, and then they
would just be like, oh, now we have to deal
with it. Let's write it as long as it didn't
happen within the episode, or if it is it an
episode that was a continuation we were, or if we
came back a new season. Um, my choice to go brunette.

(48:11):
I had a manager at the time, and she told
me she was like, no one's ever going to see
you as anything besides Donna. Um, and you need to
be more like girl next door. But Donna was a
girl next door, so I don't know. So she like
convinced me to die my hair brown. Now, looking back,
I'm really sad that Donna like got married were spoiler sorry, Like,

(48:32):
I'm so bummed that I didn't have like Donna, like
blonde original hair when I got married to David at
the end, like, I don't know, I wouldn't have chosen
dark hair. Yeah, I went dark for a minute to
right after the show um finished, and I because I thought,
I need to I need a departure. I need to
not be associated with Kelly for a minute. I need

(48:53):
to not feel like Kelly for a minute. And I
died my hair brown and my marriage almost killed me.
It was really bad. He's like, well, I guess you
never want to work again in this town. But I
was like, that probably made me keep it brown longer.
Just what about the short hair Kelly has at one
point that was written short hair Kelly. I guess I

(49:16):
just wanted to be like like the people like in
the trends. I wanted to have a pixie haircut, so
I tried to pixie very like Um, what was the
girl that did the pixie Winona writer? I wanted to
be her? Wasn't what I said to you? What did
you say? No, I don't remember exactly what you said
to me, but you were appalled at my hair from

(49:39):
the moment you cast eyes on it, and never ever
let me forget it. Never a day went by that
you didn't make a negative comment and tell me I
was like a soccer mom. It was this was this Kelly,
was this Jenny? Like, what was the reasoning behind the
pixie cut? It was a Jenny decision probably like okay okay,

(50:00):
And I didn't really think it through to like, oh,
I'm I'm a character on a really popular TV show.
I didn't really think that one through. I felt I
can't if I remember. I feel like it worked in
with a storyline. You would probably remember exactly what happened.
I'm gonna refer to you me or Dory oh me

(50:21):
um episode. But it looked I loved your hair short though,
when you had the call in storyline and your hair
was like edgy and spiky, like you know when you
would like put stuff in it. I just didn't love
it when it was like fluffy short, like all curled
poofed out. Yeah. I felt like her intention was like cool,

(50:45):
like when she came up, like when she walked in,
it looked cool and she was dressed cool, and then
they put her in like the Kelly like dresses they
were in then, and they did her hair on set,
and the and the hair stylist didn't know how to
do the hair, and that's when it looked like a
sarcer mom. Well, however, I don't know. I don't. I
do know that if you type in like to Google,
even to this day, if you type in like short haircut,

(51:08):
but there's a picture of me somewhere and that if
you scroll down long enough, you'll see a picture of me.
But that's short haircut. I loved it. People loved it.
I loved it. My husband does not want me to
do it again, so I will leave my hair long,
I guess. But is that even a question You had
a thought about doing it again? No, I don't dare.

(51:29):
It's a lot of work. You're when you have long hair.
You have to wash it, you have to like dry it,
the brushes. Oh my god, I said it years ago
and I'll say it again now. Do not do that. Well,
I have an appointment on Saturday, so we'll do what
I mean. If you super mad, if you cut your
hair short and he doesn't even look like you look

(51:49):
like this is me you with short hair, Let me
see that's like a lob, so that's that's acceptable. This
is like, are we talking like this? You would maybe
do like that, could be chic like not, but there's
extensions now, so it doesn't really matter. You could do it.
Mm hmm. Yeah. See out in person it looked good.
And we had a photo shoot where she had like

(52:09):
this little we all had like skin tight little dresses
on and she had it sleeked and like darker lips
and it looked hot. You have not known. I don't
like that, Okay, you guys. Next week's episode is called
what the next fifty Years? The next fifty years? You're

(52:30):
looking at it here, it is the next fifty years.
I hope you like it, and if you don't, who cares?
Just be nice. We had fun dressing up with you
guys for the Halloween episode Happy Halloween and July. Yes,
Happy Halloween. Wait is Cliff Dwarfman the next episode, Cliffdorfman,

(52:54):
call us up us. I'm gonna slide into his d
M as soon as we're done here. Okay, by everybody,
Bye you guys. Byem hm