Lady in Red (S1, E10 “Isn’t It Romantic”)

Jennie and Tori discuss the red dress drama during a cast photo shoot. 

Jennie opens up about her relationship with Shannen.

And, it’s time for a little sex education!

Jennie and Tori have a lot to share about this groundbreaking episode 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hey you guys,
here we are on the nine o two one OMG
podcast with my best friend and my new bestie. It
is Jenny Garth and I'm Tori Spelling and Hi, Hi beautiful.

(00:25):
How are you fine? Ladies? How how is everybody? That's
my question? Good? I love on our zoom. I don't
know if your zoom is like this, but mine right
now it's sis. You're just like you're a book ended
by two blondes. Just love it. You know, I have
highlights in my hair but you can't see them. I
want to, but I just love that. I feel like

(00:47):
you could go even more. We'll talk about it for summer.
I have been almost your guys this color. I did
it once and it was crazy, but it was just
so much of an upkeep. But how did you feel?
Do you feel blonds have more fun? I think do?
I think that blondes do have more fun. I know,
I think blonds do have more fun, for sure, but
I think brunettes get taken more seriously. That's interesting. I

(01:09):
believe she's right. I think you stand out of your
blonde you know, it's like brunettes can kind of just
like I can hide in the crowd of people and
like you do not really go notice, but if your
blonde hair, you kind of stand out just staying maybe
so yeah, but I just I colored my hair totally
dark ones and I wasn't a fan. You weren't a fan.

(01:29):
But I was a fan because I could go anywhere
and not be recognized and people actually what I was
saying instead of what looking at me? That's it was crazy,
really weird. Like we can just put a bag over
your head and then you can talk to people. You
have to change your hair. Hey, that wouldn't draw any

(01:50):
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(02:13):
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(02:57):
rewatch with you guys. But we're gonna do it five obviously,
and sadly obviously live right now means over the computer,
but we'll be there in spirit and hopefully one day
we can all do it together in person. We're gonna
be taking virtual pictures with you though. And uh, we
have some special guests who's going to be there? Oh wait,
should we tell them who our special guest is going

(03:19):
to be? Or should we wait? Make them wait? I
think we should tell them, Okay, tell them our special
guests is iron Zer, our boy bestie iron zerring Steve Sanders.
You guys, it's gonna be so fun. You know. If

(03:39):
he is uh in the house, things are going to
get a little crazy. I don't feel like anyone's ever
seen the three of us, just the three of us,
because we like, we have personal nights just the three
of us. And I don't think we ever laugh as
hard as when it's me, Jen and Iron together. Am
I right, there's like tears, they're law La laughing, laughing tears,

(04:02):
like laughing so hard you double over, Like the three
of us makes me miss it. Uh yeah, but you're
gonna get a taste of it. We're going to hang
out with them. Yeah, it's gonna be so come to
come to it and come and hang out with us.
We can make sure you get your ta the other
so we can't we can't announce our musical guests. Yeah,

(04:23):
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(04:46):
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I almost said pumped, and then remembered that that went
out twenty years ago. You can say it. I'm our

(05:34):
Instagram handle has all the links for the merch for
the tickets to the event, all that. So Nana too
and OMG podcast her program. Yeah, okay, we did all
that stuff. Now we got to talk about this week's episode.
You guys, should we just do it? I've been waiting
for this. That's a major episode in the history of
nine o two and now this is it. This is
a big one. I think so too. This is episode ten.

(05:58):
It's called Isn't it mantic and it aired on January.
Tell him what it's about. Well, while Brandon is wary,
Jim is definitely opposed to the growing attraction between Brenda
and Dylan. Now that's a storyline, But the b storyline

(06:18):
is it's sex said people, sex s everybody's favorite subjective
and a really fun Steve Sanders. It's such a Steve Yeah,
with a twist. We see a sweet seat, a sweet

(06:38):
side of Steve in this episode. I love it. I
love it when it gets all sentimental and gooey. Yeah. Yeah.
So the episode opens up with Brandon and Dylan working
on the car and did they have to be that grease?
I was like, why so much grease? What are they doing?

(07:00):
I didn't mind seeing Dylan McKay covered in Greece. I'm
not gonna lie, but it was I felt like Brandon
had like one grease smear on his shoulder, Am I wrong? No?
And then like one space his arms, his shirt, his front,
his back from it was like he was, yeah, drug

(07:21):
behind something compared to Dylan. Well, no matter what, a
man in Greece is hot though, and Dylan has to
shower at the washes. Oh my gosh. It was the
first of many shower scenes. I'm sure. I mean it's
instant flirting between them too. They had been flirting for

(07:44):
so many episodes, have they really? I felt like this
came so far. I felt the same way the last Yeah, really,
I felt like there was some one, but this one
was just like, here's the story. It was kind of
like we've seen it, like the Wall shows, like when
Cindy had her almost a fair like all of a sudden,

(08:04):
it was like we didn't know the back story, but
something major was happening. It felt that way a little
bit with Brendan Dylan, like all of a sudden, it
was like it was on, but we didn't know it
at already been started. Really a gong. It was on
the like Donkey dog well. So we yeah, we flip

(08:25):
floped between the whole Brenda Dylan storyline and the sex
ed storyline. So what should we talk about first? Should
we just stick with the bridge that out or should
we go back and forth? Okay, Brenda and Dylan, Um,
first of all, when they go on their well, first
they have that like three threesome days like her and
her brother and you know, uh Dylan, and then out

(08:49):
and listen to the c ds, you know those like things. Yeah,
that's what we used to do back in the day.
Not a record, but a c D Uh. Yeah, where
did those go? By the way, do you guys still
have CDs? I do you know what? I still have
them in the garage and I don't know what to do.
I just need to throw them away. At this I

(09:10):
went from like having them to having them in like
a binder, taking all the cases out and just keeping
the CD and put him in Like didn't you probably
I's gone. I got right. Found a cassette you guys
of a compilation of all the nine two songs used
WHOA Like? I have it, like the O G songs. Yeah,

(09:33):
it was from I don't know I have I have
the cassette. I don't know where I can play it,
but I have it. I also have a cassette track
of um of you Me, Shannon and Christina Leice doing
I know, yeah, we know, but we can't sing it.

(09:56):
When you guys wore the black dresses breaking up this deleted?
Yeah hard to do. Yeah, we had we had to
reenact that in beach and that. That was a scurry night.
A lot of feelings came back I don't know, but
I was like, god, I don't I don't want to

(10:17):
slick my hair back. That was fine when I was
a teenager, but now I don't want to do No
one wants to see that. But we did it with
the help of wine. You me and Shannon had wine.
That helped. But I, yeah, go back to just me,
to what you're saying. I feel like for me, it
came like who like fast and I all of a sudden,

(10:39):
Brenda and Dylan were holding hands as they leave. They
walk into the to the hotel room where his dad
is and I didn't see that. I didn't see them
getting to that yet. I don't know which. Maybe everything
is just intense, so toxic from the get go. That

(11:01):
but he's such a bad boy, such the boy that
every girl is like I want him. I don't want him, Like, yeah,
he's like bad but exactly emotionally available or a little
bit too available, But that's my kind of guy. He

(11:23):
breaks the pot and she has she's so scared. Oh,
she runs so fast, but he catches her with with
the with like some violent action there. He's like grabs her,
flips a around, and then they make out. Because that's
what you do and that makeout though, did you notice

(11:46):
like he really does like go in at such a
different time, Like he goes in and he has his
hand on her neck and then around her waist and
it's just so like, Yeah, I felt that was a
good chemistry in that kissing scene. Yeah, I felt it,
and I felt it a lot. Is that weird? No?

(12:07):
I think every girl you're getting Are you guys getting
antsy for when we get to your kissing scenes? Probably? Probably? Yeah,
there's in here describing this when he grabs her neck
and he goes in, there's so much chemistry multissect rs
don't worry, like they definitely used tongue right, you guys said,

(12:30):
are you sure? But I just felt like that kiss
wasn't it feel like the characters would have. And I
also felt like after that scene, after Brenda decides that
she's in love, there's just a new pep in her step,
And I like, in love Brenda, she's so happy and

(12:51):
like jubilant, you know, there's like a new energy about her.
And I thought that was really cool to see that.
In other areas, like she was in her sex said
class with Steve, she was just more playful and not
as serious or dramatic for a minute, you know. I
love that. And then Kelly, But Kelly is just all
about like it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

(13:15):
Like I feel like they had what one day, two dates?
I know, okay, that's the thing. Holding hands is one thing, okay,
But then all of a sudden, they're just under the
assumption that they're going to be happened sexy time. Are
they under the assumption or Kelly was just like pushing it.
I don't know, No, in a good way. She was

(13:36):
like to be prepared, which was great. But they had
one date and a threesome date with her brother, Like
that's it stopped going a threesome date with her brother. Yeah,
I felt like it. I don't know. I just as
a mom of teens makes me a little more when
they go so fast, because I'm a little old fashioned

(13:58):
in my thinking, maybe not so much in my actions,
but um like, yeah, I'm a little fashioned, and watching it,
I was like, oh, why so soon? But then Brenda
at the end of episode, she kind of slows things down,
which I really respected. Definitely, the the makeout scene, the

(14:18):
couch in her living room, of her parents house was intense.
I feel like they're going to get way more intense though, right,
Like this is nothing good one for teenager? That was
a lot. Why didn't they go out the front door?
Had they not gone out the back door? He always
comes in the front door. Duh, right out the back door.
I mean it makes sense in my mind, But grab

(14:41):
your jacket one time, like they couldn't. They just sat
there and picked up a book and pretended to pretend
that they were reading. I mean, she didn't cook in
her shirt. That's what drove me mad. Is I quickly
would have tucked in the shirt. Dad giveaway. Brenda never
wears her shirts out with her jean shorts. Have you

(15:02):
guys ever, um you know like been um maybe kissing
a boy or or something, and um, your parents walked
in on you when you were younger or you got
busted like that somehow. I did have a rowdy eight
birthday party that there was some drinking at and my

(15:26):
dad was so against it and he was almost just
like I want nothing to do with this, Like he
basically left it all up to my mom. And he's
like he was just like pissed about the whole thing.
In general, and he went into his office at some
point in the night and one of my friends. He
caught one of my friends with her boyfriend on his
couch in our home his home office, and it was

(15:49):
just so bad. He turns on the light, get downstairs.
I did. I did come home once, and it was
just in the back of a boy's car and there
was just some petting. Petting to people say petting, Oh
my god, I just what does that mean? Like he
put your hair or your head touching. There was some touching.

(16:10):
I don't know the basses, you guys, but it was nothing,
nothing below the base. Let's just put it that way. Okay,
thank you. But I did, I guess take my top
off and put it back on and then ah, wow,
bra state on the way off. I'm not sure. Okay, fine,
now you're embarrassing me. Yes. And I did come home

(16:32):
because I had to be home by curfew. I always
had the earliest curfew, so like eleven PM, you have
to be home. My friends were like, we can say
it later. It's like whatever. So I came home and
my mom was like, your t shirts on inside out?
Oh noticed it. I'd like, you know, a little liked
on and Doc Martin's and my T shirt on inside

(16:52):
out and she noticed it. And I was like, you
were mad at Brenda for not tucking her shirt in? Yeah?
Because PTSD. So I was like, why did Brenda get
on it? Yes? Mm hmm. And no matter what you say, parents, no,
they just know, just like Jim Walsh, like, do you
take me for stupid or what do you say? Like
they know? Yeah, they do, they do. I just assume

(17:13):
every time my daughter comes home and she's been making
out with her boyfriend, Yeah, makes it better in your head?
And I'm not like, you know, I'm not pretending you
just accept it. Does that make it easier for you
or for her? Or for both? Probably both, I would
imagine instead of me, you know, looking at her like
she's an alien and grilling her. But I never got

(17:38):
caught um that I can recall in with a with
a guy that young. No, I know. My my husband
said that he walked in on his sister once and
they were doing it and yeah he saw that scarden.

(17:59):
I think how old was here? He was like twelve,
I like twelve and eleven twelves and like that. Yeah,
that's something you can't remove from your brain. Mm hmmmm.
So when it's your sister. Yeah, I was really uncomfortable
when Brandon was watching then, like be all flirty and

(18:23):
touchy and I totally Brandon. If that's Brandon's buddy, Yeah,
that's a hard one. I would be so awkward. I
got to say, like, up until now, we haven't really
seen that connection as brother and sister. And this is
the episode where he came in and like was all
fired up to Dylan. Then he didn't show up, he

(18:43):
didn't call her. Yeah, he's so he was so pretty
and then and then he went just a little too far.
He just took it a little too far and said
she's a virgin right there in the science room. I
thought that was a little t m. I yeah, well, well,

(19:09):
speaking of virginity, sex ad was another topic. Um, I
think we should take a break and come back and
reveal when you guys had the talk about Hi, you guys,

(19:34):
welcome back before break. We were just about to get
into it. Um, sex ad. This episode B storyline, it's
all about sex ad, the consent forms. Um, you guys, wait,
first of all, did you have this in school? Second
of all, what age did you have the talk? The

(19:54):
talk or did you didn't? Does anyone have the proper
talk anymore? I never got the talk from my mom
mm hmmm, because probably I would shut her down. I'd
be like, I'm good, I we're fine. I know, you
know what's good. I'm I don't need to talk about that.
I don't think, No, I don't. I never got it
from my parents. I did. We did have like, um,

(20:16):
the sex ed talk at school, but it was wait
for years in sixth grade having it now. Oh yeah,
so it was not in high school. Um, but then
I watched a lot of antone. No, so that was
I taught you everything you need to know, Thank you, welcome,
not lying. I was like, yep, at its at its prime.

(20:37):
I was probably twelve thirteen years old, so parents got
me a book. Those are like your college years. Did
you get the American Girl American Girl doll book? I'm
so old. There was not an American No, there's a
book with the American Girl. Thought, oh no, that's about
your body changing. Now. This this was kind of an
all encompassing it was a picture book. I think I

(20:58):
got it when I was like literally like seven, you guys,
and it was just like it showed everything about our body.
But it was like from the seventies, so it was
like there was a lot of big Bush in it.
And I was fascinated by the saggy boobs and big bush,
and I missed the whole point a bit of this
is my body, this is his body, this is what

(21:18):
the female body goes through. And then a man and
a woman, you know, I can do this and with
the boobs, saggy boobs and big big bush. And I
like took the book to school and showed it around,
pulled it out of my locker, and I got in trouble.
You were bringing like pornographic material to school seventh in

(21:42):
the fifth grade? Yeah, not even how the seventh you're
like second grade? No, second grade? Oh my god, I
didn't know. It was a picture books Bad Girl, the boobies.
It's really fun. Oh man, do I have you know?

(22:06):
My kids are older than yours, as we know, and
so I don't know what your kids. You know, you
haven't talked to them, obviously. This is an ebit tore.
You have some pre teeners. Um, I'm the worst at it.
I didn't. I tried to talk about it and they
laugh at me. And then we don't end up getting
really anywhere. And then I'm like, well, but you guys

(22:28):
know that you can always talk to me, right, Like
you can ask me questions because there's stuff out there
that you don't know that I know, and uh, I
could tell you all about it, and they're just they
won't have it talk and because they always say like
you're supposed to talk about it because they might learn

(22:49):
they but they can't learn this. But they think they
know everything from TikTok. So if you even bring it
up there, like we know everything, they don't. He can't
ever know everything their stuff. We still don't know probably
like can they just started, Well, they can just start
to the internet these days, right, like we didn't have
that growing up cyclopedias right mm hmm. I didn't feel

(23:15):
like it was what was the sex Heads teacher Mr
Travis Kravitz. I thought it was Travis, Mr Pravits like
Kravitz nex Door, like Lenny Kravitz, and like Lenny Kravitz.
I felt like Mr Kravitz really didn't do anything. He
didn't teach them anything, and he just was weird, like

(23:35):
kept stroking his beard and that weird. He was creepy, creepy.
He was like do you think when they cast him?
And they were like sex head teachers are out there,
They're a little bizarre. But he was super funny when
he was trying to fix his car when Steve Sanders
walks up and it's like, can I help you? He

(23:57):
was really funny at that scene. I thought, like, in
what world a teacher send a student out to go
pick up the other sex? Said teacher that's flying in
I know, just one of his students. And I did
I miss something? Why did Steve offer to help? Like
what's the problem? Like he was feeling why would why?
And he was like you owe me? But what did
he owe him? Is he going to fail the class

(24:19):
or something like? Why would Steve? In the first season
was all about Steve? So what was the reason he
was going to do that? Did I miss it? There's
no reason. Did he think it was a lady? A lady?
I think he was just hoping to score so he
was just like to get like extra credit? Did he
know it was a female? Are we sure it came

(24:40):
out on that? I think he did. Yeah, I would have.
I would have thought though if it was a female
sex said teacher that it was someone older. I just
would think, yeah, like a doctor Ruth. Yeah exactly, doctor.
I love doctor r exactly. He can't imitate her. But
see her documentary it's really good. Dry. Yeah, she just

(25:03):
came out with the documentary. It's so good, a documentary
about herself, her her life. They show her she's like
nineties something now and she's still working. She's like, it's
like she's still sarcastic version of she's just she is
on it, like just hustling. I wasn't sure. Okay, So

(25:26):
the woman in the the is the guest speaker. She
had she had AIDS. So this was in right freshly. Yeah,
and so that was much more of a topic. I
think that it's talked about, was talked about then then

(25:47):
it feels like it is now maybe, I mean I
think so because AIDS. When did it like all kind
of become really big in the eighties. Probably, Yeah, it
was a huge. There was a lot of confusion. You
didn't know if you could just get it from hugging
somebody or saliva kissing somebody. Yeah, there were so many questions.

(26:10):
But I had a question because when she did her speech,
she said, ah, always use a condom, and foam, and
I was like, okay, I didn't catch that either. Do
you guys know what fomas? It's called spermicide or something.

(26:31):
It's like, I was just going to say that, but
I didn't want to be completely wrong. I think that
exists anymore. So I think maybe and maybe I'm wrong.
And this is just my own brain thinking, but what
if back in the day didn't make the condoms with
the spur you probably and then you have to spray
something foam and vaginal inserts are placed into the vagina.

(26:54):
How do you how do you do that? Someone walked
me through, how do you unhealthy? How do you place
a foam or vaginal insert into your vagina? Well, we'll
get you a book and likely in a moment. In
the moment, I mean, I'm all for everyone using protection,
but you put a condom on and they were like,

(27:15):
and wait, I gotta put this vaginal insert foam, Like
I'm sorry. Between both of those things, it's like, okay,
forget it, which isn't a bad thing for teens. Maybe
it's like a pre phone situation, like your phone before
you go, or I mean you should do You're going
to be the spokesperson, the phone. I'm Jenny Gard and

(27:37):
you should phone before you go. That was a good one.
You never want a phone on it before the date. Yeah,
it's a new product. People are gonna be like, wait,
we didn't see what they talked about it, but we

(27:58):
checked their merch and it wasn't there. Where's the phone?
Enough about the phone? I can't take it anymore? And
I thought that they like, we're talking about the emotional
aspects of what is involved when you do have sex
with someone a lot in this episode, which I thought

(28:18):
was really good because I just really loved you know
who wrote this episode with Karen Rosen and I I
felt like it had a woman's touch when it was
talking about those you know, those moments when when Brenda
was saying, how does it feel in your heart? Though?
And and that scene between her and her mom about

(28:41):
the connection and that the desire to have that kind
of connection, not just a physical connection, but a heart connection,
and I don't know, I thought that was a really
nicely done moment. You're so right between Brenda. I feel
like we predominantly had male writers, so it is nice
that Karen wrote that. Aaron Rosen, who is the wife

(29:01):
of Chuck rosen Our, our executive producer. She was great.
She went on to write a bunch of episodes, so
I can't I look forward to rewatching those because I
liked her writing. I gotta say, even though it was
like the early nineties, the sex talk stuff and how
a girl feels and how everyone feels the first time

(29:21):
or thinking about the first time, it holds up like
I would show that to my kids and be like,
brend is a great example. Yeah, I mean, just showing
this episode that you don't have to have to talk
with them there you go. No, but it always every
episode always goes to some heavy topic, you know. I
feel like every week after week, and so this week
it just kind of like the whole age they just

(29:43):
came out of nowhere, Like it was not expecting her
to say that. Well, Steve was trying to come on
to her for so many times, and so it just
kind of like goes to show that the topics that
I think your show handled. Yeah, for sure, I mean
it laid it on. Think we knew that that was
gonna I don't think we knew that that was going

(30:04):
to become a thing on the show, None of us.
We Yeah, but as it started happening. I feel like
we all took a certain pride in that. Maybe we
laughed a little bit sometimes that like, oh my god,
now what's going to happen to me this week? You know,
important message going to be this week? But the show
had so much other stuff, so many other layers, and

(30:26):
like so much fun with the fashion and the characters
in the all the Beverly Hills of it all. Like
I feel like it was a good balance. Maybe yeah,
definitely glamorized teens and where we lived. But at the
same time, that's the driving thing, is the storylines that
everyone could really do no matter where you lived. Yeah,

(30:52):
and again this was it was a cool thing that
kids started watching this with their parents because then they
kind of opened that door to talk about, you know,
um what what they were scared to talk about. So
I thought that was It's like a good conversation starter
hopefully for some parents. Totally, yeah, I think so. Plus

(31:16):
the fact that the speaker was exposed to aid time
her very first time, and then there's Brenda and the
audiences thinking that could be me, that could happen to me,
and good good that she thought that, oh yeah, because
then she has that conversation with Dylan about getting checked
at the end of the episode. It's such a great

(31:37):
message because I feel like girls to to this day
still think like, oh, what's the worst that could happen,
you know, they think pregnancy, which is a huge life changer,
but they don't realize that there's something that could happen
to you that you can die. So that was so
like WHOA, Like h yeah, and there's so many diseases

(31:58):
and things now, like you have to protect yourself. I
loved it when Kyle Well jumping ahead to the favorite,
my favorite line of the episode, but when Kelly said,
um rule number one, never rely on the guy, And
I think that's that's good, Like girls should take care
of themselves and no always first ladies, safety first. Girls.

(32:20):
Wrong with boys? I feel like that's I want to
like teach my boys to always like step up and
be prepared, like don't be that guy. You know, I
don't think, Yeah, I mean I think just like girls
are more you know, aware and educated and more savvy.
Now of course boys are too, And yeah, I mean

(32:45):
I don't have boys, but I would have to assume
that people that are raising young boys out there are
doing just as much work to protect them and to
teach them, I mean the responsibilities. Well, which goes to
one of the big topics in this episode, double standards,

(33:06):
because sometimes, and it's just part of society, parents treat
boys and girls a little bit differently when it comes
to sex. Yes, and that's what Jim did in and
Brenda called him out on it, which was so cool. Wait,
yeah and brave, but she it's true he was. He

(33:31):
was saying it was okay for Brandon and and like,
you know, you pat your son on the back and
give him a little wink. But but with your daughter,
her losing her virginity is a question of her morals.
Brandon's girlfriend got to sleep in the house, got to
you know, they knew what was happening, Like Jim to

(33:51):
do something about your son, and he's like, like it
was fine, you know with Brenda, like they were just
like no, well not Cindy, but Jim. Yeah, I mean,
daddy's an old girl. It's hard, but there is I
stuck around in high school for that reason. You know,

(34:14):
you never wanted my dad to really know what I
was up to. Oh break his heart, my little sweet Sistan.
He would never do that. Important message you guys when
your teen is of that age and leaving the house,
slip on mcondom and if you got and if you've
got some fun, what do you mean? I feel like

(34:35):
it's better. It's so interesting, Like I would definitely tell
my husband to do it, like with our sons at
that age, but like they're going on a date, I
don't know. Better they have it and are prepared it
then then it's embarrassing. It's like it's not comfortable for anyone,
the teen or the parent. But again, you'd rather them

(34:58):
use it and have it there than being like, oh,
I didn't get it because I was embarrassed to go
somewhere and buy it. So now we're in this position
and it's okay, maybe it'll just be fine. You don't
want that to happen. I guess well, you guys are
closer there than I am. This podcast just got really deep.
It's just a lot to think about going on. Deal

(35:21):
with it now, you know, just like you just do
your best as a parent. You you do your best.
You give them all the things that you learned and
all the things that you wish you had learned, and
you you know, arm them with with all of that
and say a little prayer. You know, you can only

(35:45):
do your best, and then you have to just sort
of let them live their life to a certain extent,
or you tie them up and lock them in the
basement either or in a warehouse and band eyes like
for ten years, right, thank god they locked me up

(36:05):
in that stage for ten years. Think of the trouble
I could have gotten. Imagine I you know what I
do think about that sometimes, Like we were working so
hard from such a young age, Like what if we
had just I don't know. I don't think either of
us are that type of girl, but who knows. You
don't know the trouble like teens came into You're easily
persuaded and talked into things at a young age that

(36:27):
aren't good judgment, Like, thank god we had that structure
of that show when you guys would film scenes that
were not there at that place and they were on location.
Like you're mentioning, um the theater where Brenda's waiting for
it's unvent terrible. But yeah, then when she goes to

(36:50):
go supposedly meet up with Dylan for her date, and
then it's left there for two hours waiting for him,
and he never shows up. Would you wait for twos?
I don't know if I'd wait for two hours, would
never admit pret Dylan McKay exactly, But she waited that
that movie theater is. Yeah, it's on venturable of art.

(37:11):
It's like a it's like a store building and it's
still there. But it's not a movie theater anymore. I
don't think it used to be Barnes and Noble, but
Barnes and Noble. Oh, it's the Barnes and Noble and
no one wait, okay, so it's not the one that
used to be a bookstore. Was a movie theater. Then

(37:32):
it used to be a bookstore and then it closed
down and now it's like a med spa. It's not
that one. No, no, it's not that one. It's the
one that's still a bookstore over by Laurel Canyon. It's
still Barnes and Noble, and I know, which looks exactly
the come on the outside. But when you guys would go,
so let's say that was where you had to go,
would you drive yourself to those locations or would you

(37:53):
like busting or drive? I mean depending. We would sometimes
drive to set In Park on by the they called
like the base camp where they have all the trailers,
the you know, makeup trailer and wardrobe trailer and the
lightning trailer, all the things. They call that area like
the base camp, and so you'd park there. But sometimes
if you if we were like shooting on set, then

(38:15):
they would just put us sticks in a van and
drive us to where we had to be. They stuck
her in a van, tied her up in the warehouse,
and stuck her in a van. There what a fun
gig for you guys to be that age, And explained
a lot like in a fun way, like always going
to new places. Yeah, yeah, but it was there was

(38:40):
so much all the time. Do you ever feel like
to like we were as in this industry? Like you
go from set to set to movie to show, to
job to job, joblin and they're always different. It's always
a different group of people and it's always a different character.
So I feel like so much of my life has

(39:05):
been spent on the move or like jumping from thing
to thing, that it never really settled into anything in particular,
Like there was never a normal like a baseline for
me after a while, because it was just it just
becomes this like whirlwind, and you're always on the move

(39:26):
and always making new friends and meeting new friends and
then leaving those friends and never really seeing those friends
again for the most part. Or you know, it's such
a weird industry. It's like, yeah, it's like it's like
being in the military, like always on the move, military family.
I mean, completely different. And I'm not making fun of that,

(39:49):
Like I'm just saying just the lifestyle is you never
completely let your heart settle in because you know that
you're going to be on But I mean, probably nine
out of all the things you've done, probably natural was
the most. I mean that was pretty consecutive. And I
think like during that time when she's referring to is
like on summer breaks or winter breaks, we would do

(40:10):
like TV movies or movies and do other things that
you know, you you dive in fast. You guys, like
you give your heart and soul and just commit to
everyone there, and all of a sudden, it's like joining
a new school. You go to a new school and
you just like, but everything is really fast, so it
like speeds it up the process of like settling in
and getting to know people and getting accepted. But this

(40:31):
is probably the one, the one that was like the longest,
so there's no breaks for you. When you took a
break from around to know, you jumped right into another project.
We're all busy working every higatus every break. But I
mean that was a conscious choice and we wouldn't see
each other that much because we were given these opportunities
to go do movies of the week and star and
then produced them, and you know, it was such so

(40:53):
many amazing opportunities. Did you ever think that period of time,
like you we were young, did you ever think like, hey,
it's summer, I want to go take a vacation or
I want to There's some people that did do that.
You and I never did that, Like we were just
like great work, let's go continue work, work work. Yeah.
I would always I mean because I had my first kid,

(41:14):
like soon into the sh maybe god soon, I don't
even know how many years it was before I had
a first baby, but once I had a baby, I
would always try to plan like a little family time
and then before you know, before going on to another
show and then you come back and you're right back
into night or two. And I kind of like that.
I like that. I was always busy and me to

(41:36):
have time to but I never thought twice about it,
like we should have been. Like you see people now
on hit shows and when they have breaks, they're taking
these amazing vacations around the world because they're making great
money and they're big celebrities, and like looking back and like,
I don't know, it wasn't ever our mindset, which is great.
We're both very driven. We still are. I think that's

(41:58):
another thing that like binds us to each other. You
know that we have that work ethic. But it would
have been nice to be like, hey, I'm just taking
like going to Europe for twenty days in the middle
of our summer and just like Emily in Paris live
a little. I noticed that with you guys because um,

(42:21):
around the holidays, we didn't really talk about it, but
I'm like, I wonder if we're gonna stop down and
we're just not going to do any shows. Nope, we're
all we almost recorded a podcast on Christmas Eve, Like wow,
we always make time for work somehow, yep. And that's yeah,
that's interesting to know that from a young age though,

(42:43):
But yeah, work ethic. Yeah, the boys took breaks, they
took vacations. I feel like Shannon took vacations. Like I
feel like you and I were the two that really
always did movies of the week. Yeah, because once you
did one and it was like they wanted you to
do another one, and you would just get offered things

(43:04):
and sent scripts and stuff. I think I've seen these
movies of the week that there was. There was a
time when movies of the week were like it was
everybody was doing it, are they Oh yeah, they're on lifetime.
All of ours are in lifetime. Now lifetimes always playing.
But like during the nineties and the time time, like

(43:26):
they would be for like NBC or CBS or ABC
it was or Fox, you know, it would they would
go up against like Monday night football. It would be
like the female alternative, like and we would take viewers
away from football. Like it was a big deal Movies
of the week, And that's why they were titled movies
of the week. Like there would be one night that
networks would air their movies of the week, like Monday Night. Um,

(43:48):
now they're just like TV movies. But also there was
that thing that you know you were going you were
like you had the power that they always wanted you.
You would get these straight offers. He didn't want to
not do it because you didn't want to not be relevant.
Like what would happen if we like went one summer
and didn't do a TV movie. Like it was a

(44:10):
little bit of that, right, We probably felt like that
would be it. Well, we'll never work again in this
town again. Imagine thinking that at like eighteen, at that age,
mm hmm. Yeah, that was It was a lot, definitely,
But I I feel like there was so much that
we learned from doing that too. I mean, we learned
to beat bosses because we had to. We had to

(44:33):
learn to suck it up and do what was expected
of us and you know, call the shots. And I
think that because we started, I mean I started. I know,
you probably did two tours started producing the movies that
I was doing, and uh, you learn what it's like
to have more control over your works. You have a

(44:58):
voice and people listen to you. It was really nice.
It was really productive, But gosh, I don't those hours
that we worked. I mean we worked crazy hours. And
then to think, like on Christmas break you would film
like all night and then like fly to Canada the
next morning and go right into production on a TV movie.

(45:20):
And then come back and go right back to nine
or two now after maybe having like a day off
for Christmas in the day after New Year, like it
was just what. I don't know, but those are the
years you should be hustling in any industry, like whatever
profession you do, whether it's like in your guys case, TV,
but like for me it was radio. I got in
at nineteen and I never took any breaks either. I
didn't go on any vacations. I worked holidays for five years.

(45:42):
You know, it's like, you can't just pay your dues,
and so it's interesting that you guys still paid your
dues even though you're on this hit show. Yeah, it's weird.
I mean, I think every everybody has their own experience
of that. Yeah, for sure. No matter what it is
that you're chosen career path, is you gotta work hard
when you're young, and then you learn to like slow

(46:04):
down and prioritize, and you get a family and you
get other responsibilities of other interests, and you you learn
to like make other things important in your life too,
which kind of creates a nice balance, because I don't
really feel like that's a very balanced way to live
for very long you know it's hard for some Yeah.

(46:27):
I mean during that time I had other friends that
weren't in the business, and they were going to college
and you know, coming home and having like fun and
going out, and that wasn't our life. You know, we
had fun, but it was just a very different life
than other kids our age. Did it feel like you

(46:48):
went to college though, totally played it on TV? What
do you mean I graduated from California University. I've told
you this, it's real to me. I have the diploma.
I have Donna Martin's diploma. By the way, I've in
story and it says Donna Martin graduated California University. It's
had something like a degree in science arts like that
would never be her. I don't know why it says

(47:09):
that on there, like they were making a show. Props
was like, we're gonna make it funny Donna Martin, which
is not that smart, like et real you have that
that Well, we have to take a break. Um, I
do want to come back. We have some questions from
listeners and we haven't touched on fashion or any of

(47:29):
our favorite lines from the show, and there's a few
of them. So we'll be our background Okay, so should
we talk about fashion, guys? We should have fashion? Mm hmm.

(47:52):
What did you think was like the standout fashion of
this episode? I feel like it was a pretty even
keeled episode as far as the fashion. There wasn't anything
to like. Jarring Dylan's jarring. See that was my favorite.
That was very like say anything John Cusack like from
the eighties, right, Yeah, I loved it. Looks so great

(48:14):
and staring out of the room Brenda around her like
that's like I want boys to bring back trench coats now,
why not? What was your favorite? Steve was colorful? I
know your favorite again with the tucked in blouses on
on Steve sands a little and the little pants that

(48:34):
were so snug and a little tushy and he didn't
know where you're going with that. I don't know why
were you looking at his tushy? Well, because when he okay,
when he was in the hotel room with the speaker
friend girl and uh and he just walked turned around

(48:55):
and walked out so confidently, And I really felpposed to
look at his The Steve Sanders strut, which is also
the Irons eerng strut. Yeah, um, the Brenda makeover was
fun with you guys fashion montage. The way they sped
it up super cute. That was really cute like that.

(49:16):
We probably had so much fun filming that, right, I'm
sure like that's that feels like such a YouTube like
TikTok movement now and we did it then like the
speed up, like getting the girl dressed. Um, can we
talk about Brenda's fashion because I feel like you have
an ode to it today? Oh right, I'm today I'm
wearing she inspired me on my shirt choice. Uh that

(49:39):
you guys know what an air tie is, right? Do
you know that air tight? This is an air tie
when you but in your shirt all the way up
to the top and you don't wear a tie. Oh
I didn't know that, but it's it's like an I
don't know. They call it an air tie. All the
hipsters are wearing it these days. But Brenda, Yeah, and
you got bright red lips onto Inda was rock in

(50:01):
the air tie back in the nineties. That must be
where it came from the nineties. Probably everything came from
the nineties. Um, and her jean shorts like the infamous
Jane shorts. She looked great like when Dylan eyed her
up and down those legs, those Jeane shorts, those scrunchy socks.

(50:22):
Like I feel like the whole episode it was all
about that she looked great. She was wearing your socks,
didn't you. Didn't you let her borrow that? You're so mean.
So we were working last week and I wore scrunchy
socks because they're back in everything from the nineties. I
got them with my girls at Journey and I wore
them last week, and she just like I knew she
was gonna hate my off. And I just knew it.

(50:43):
I was like and one, and two and the three,
and she's like, you wore those scrunchy socks just to
piss me off. You thought him a journey, Yeah, the
store journey from still around. Wow, you can go shopping
right now. I didn't even know that you can, but

(51:04):
I should get out. You won't like it, but it's
somewhere deep down. I knew that morning when I got dressed,
I did, I somewhat put those scrunchy socks on because
I knew it would send my best friend over the edge.
And I love that she would notice. And I knew
that she would notice. And that's how tight. We are
you guys? Any favorite lines already said mine about Kelly

(51:28):
Kelly saying rule number one, never rely on the guy.
I like that one. What about you? Um one was
good that Brenda said to her dad. We kind of
talked about it, but the actual line was and if
I'm ready first, then what should I lie and sneak around?
When he was talking to her about the double standard?

(51:49):
Really great thing to say. Good job, Karen Rosen. I felt,
I'm not going to quote this verbatim and I didn't
write it down. But when she's looking at Dylan and talking,
Brenda's looking at Dylan from the balcony and talking to
Kelly and she's like, uh, and Kelly's like you need
to go, like, go have a bubble bath. She's like
I need more than that, and you go, oh, did

(52:12):
I get that right? There was another one in the
hallway when when uh, Brenda and Kelly were walking down
the hall and something about being pinned. Oh she I said,
you're dating now and she was like it was just
one day. I said we're going on another one, so
you're officially dating. And then she goes, what what am I?
What is? What's next season gonna pin me and Kelly

(52:32):
goes hopefully to a mattress. Kelly had some singers. She's so,
we have some questions, but however, we just have time
for one. Do you guys see them or do you
have a one? You have one that you would rather answer.

(52:56):
I feel like, let's talk about Courtney's questions. What's wrong? Okay? Yeah,
I mean you know what. I was gonna let you decide.
So there we go. So Courtney is asking, could you
talk more about friendships with Shannon? Wasn't Tory friends with
her in the beginning and then they went out to
clubs together? Where Jenny and Shannon ever friendly or were

(53:17):
they too different? Did the three of you ever hang out? Yes,
we totally hung out. We were friends. There were really
great moments when it was the three of us. I
have great memories of us all hanging out and laughing
and like doing that scene in this episode. Whenever we
worked together, we had a great time. But we did.

(53:38):
There was plenty of times when the three of us
went out, I like went out to clubs together. Like,
I definitely had very different friendships with each of them.
I had kind of my friendship with Shannon and my
friendship with Jen and then they would merge all of

(53:59):
us because we were together all the time. That's what happens.
But um, yeah I did. I did go to like
the Roxberry and bar One a lot with Shannon. She
was like older than me when I stay older, I
mean only like two years only two years older. But
she was cool and like she'd be like, oh, my
friends and I are going to like the Roxbury, And
I wanted to fit in so bad because I was

(54:21):
like just a little bit too young to be doing
stuff like that. And I'd be like, oh god, she's
taking me the Roxberry. You know, it's just like, oh cool.
But I feel like Jen and I had the relationship.
We like did things like at the same level. Does
that make sense, Like bond at the same time about
things at the same time. Like Shannon was kind of

(54:41):
like an aspiration to me because I was like she
was the older cool kid even though she was only
two years older. Yeah, And Shannon and I we had
great We had great times together, and we also had
times that weren't as great because we were just too
Um we're two aries women, two very I did not

(55:03):
know that we're both very strong minded, and um, I
think that that sometimes it would just make us like
two rams, you know, we would lock horns sometimes and
um and would that be with like things that were
happening on the show or in your personal lives? Not really.

(55:26):
I think it was always like show related, whether it
was on camera, off camera, behind the scenes or whatever
that became personal. It's never about personal life because we
I don't think Shannon and I ever hung out on
a personal level too often, just the two of us
that I recall, but um, yeah, we would work it out.

(55:48):
We would we would somehow work it out, and we
continue that, you know, we're working relationship. I felt like
it went as good as it could go in with
those circumstances. And I it's just like high school, you guys,
this happens, and they're both very strong or like alpha
alpha women, you know, they speak their mind, and I'm

(56:09):
like the tourists, that's just like everyone get along, and
so they were all I would just remember. There would
be times when they would kind of bump heads about things,
and yeah, it was always Stoll related, but it felt
personal when it would go beyond that, and I would
just be in the middle, like, oh my god, it's
my two best friends, like, just get along. I want
you to be happy. I want you to be happy.
I'm stuck in the middle. Would you guys, like um,

(56:32):
between the four of you girls, even Gabrielle, would you
guys ever fight about clothes or was it always specific
like Kelly's alphite or these or Donna's alphite or these,
or like, would you fightly like I was supposed to
wear that top in the scene or whatever? He of course,
really there were wardrobe battles, makeup hair battles, why is

(56:54):
she wearing her hair? Like, Okay, I was gonna wear
my I mean, I don't remember anything specifically, but I
love it. We do remember the Red Dress incident? I do,
but I think I don't really remember acture because everyone
has their perception of how something happens, and then it's
heightened once it starts to become a story and you're like, wait,
how did it actually begin? How did it actually happen?

(57:17):
And we call it the red dress incident because the
boys made it bigger like than it was. But pretty
much it was a photo shoot. It was a photo shoot,
and we we've discussed this. Those were the days we
were all on set together, all working hard, the whole
day and um taking photos, which is a lot of pressure,

(57:37):
especially for girls, like you want to look good? How
do I look? Um? And they didn't want everyone in
the same color, and we don't exactly all see it
the same way, but it was pretty much, you know,
it was one of those days when it was like no,
everyone kind of stood up for themselves and going back
the wardrobe, people shouldn't have given everyone choices if they

(57:59):
didn't want to want to wear the same color. We
each had our section and we each had a red
dress in it, and we each picked the red dress,
and then so we all we've all come out with it.
But it wasn't just you and I are was it
the three of us? I think originally it was Shannon,
wasn't It was involved somehow, and then she chose the

(58:20):
black dress, and then you and I were both you
you were riled up because you were like, I thought
they had asked you to change because she had wanted
to wear a red dress, and you were like, no,
that's not fair, Like I feel good in this dress,
I have it on, it was in my section, I'm
going to wear it. And then she changed, but simultaneously,
because you had it on. They had asked me to

(58:40):
not wear the red dress, and I was like, I
always get along with everyone. I always say yes to everything.
Today I'm wearing the red dress. And it ended up
being a battle between Jen and I which we never fought,
which was so strange. So if you look at that
picture of that photo shoot, which was like our you know,
cast photo for the year, it's her, Tory and I

(59:02):
both in red dresses, and Shannon and the black dress,
and Tory and I are like, like, we're peeved at
each other. You can just tell there's tension. Oh my god,
I can see it right you literally google. And they
separated us in the photo on other ends because they
were like, Okay, let's make this work. They're both in
red dresses and they're upset. But the boys, by the

(59:22):
time we came to set, we were both already fired up.
And it kind of didn't even start with us but
ended with us. Um by the time we got to set,
we were like upset, and then the boys were like,
that's it. And the boys are like, I want to
wear the red dress. No, I'm wearing the red dress.
And they were saying that in this photo while we're
taking photos, they'd be like and cheese photo and they'd

(59:43):
be like, I want to wear the red dress, and
we were both just like, oh, by the way. For
the rest of the season, that was season's until the
end of the show, that was the fight, like the
boys always so much that we brought it back for
the friviation kind of use that as for for a
scene where we are um but that wasn't in the show.

(01:00:06):
Behind the shot, yeah, but we brought it into b
HN tourno that we all three show up in a
red dress. Because to this day, even when we were
starting bhnot Tourno, as soon as we'd get in like
rooms and like all having dinner or like drinks, the
boys would still be like, I'm wearing the red dress.
And it's like WHOA thirty years later, you guys are
still saying that, and it's still got us piste off.
It's riling me up right now, offlustered right now us.

(01:00:30):
I think because of that, I couldn't wear a red
dress out publicly anymore, Like I was just so scarred.
Red dress. Well, you look really beautiful in red, so
you should you should wear red d two and and
we just don't wear it when what do you mean
just stand on the other side of me, like somewhere
else in the picture. I feel like for our I

(01:00:53):
feel like for a Galantine's Day, we should both wear
red and then talking. Oh my god, us, I think
we should end with that. Ladies, there's no question. You
can't ask us. You guys, we will. We will talk
about all your questions. Like I picked that question because
I felt like people wanted to know that, and like

(01:01:13):
maybe we don't want to talk about it, or like,
you know, but let's talk about it. Why not? So
send us questions. I think as a fan, you heard
all these rumors and you just just didn't know what
was true, especially because there was no love that you
can google on the red dress fight and it comes up.
That's crazy. I literally nine O two and oh read

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and address, and then as I was writing dress, it
suggested fight historical wardrobe malfunction. Okay, Episode eleven is the
homework assignment. Yep, you have a whole week to watch
episode eleven and then we will convene and we will
talk about it. Break it down, break it down, and

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don't forget about the new merch and the virtual of
ent and you can get all that info at the
Instagram account which is Nino to a hum and is
there a place they can let's just send pictures of
themselves in our merch. Maybe we can posture or just

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tag us, like put it on your Instagram and then
tag nine O two and OMG podcast on there, and
then that we can repost. Oh my god, we want
to see all of you in our maybe at our
virtual thing, we could like flash pictures of people in it.
Ever be fun. Tickets are on sale now. Come join
us at our virtual event February pm Pacific Standard time,

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by everybody,