December 14, 2017 • 44 mins
This week Matty talks to radio's Bobby Bones. Bobby opens up about how radio has hurt his relationships, his love of Howard Stern as an interviewer, the struggles he had when he arrived in Nashville, and how important podcasting is for the future of radio. Plus find out why he would love to hear a podcast done by Andy Kaufman in the 3 Killer Questions segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi everybody, and welcome to Access podcast, the podcast about podcast.
And this week I talked to somebody I have a
bit of a man crush on. He's naturally syndicated radio host, author, comedian,
and host of The Bobby Cast Bobby Bones. Which song
are you just tired of playing? Um? I'm tired of
playing Waiting on the world changed? What did I said, hey,
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why that I would have one? Would be one? Yeah?
You know, I gotta say I I've been doing. I've
been I started in radio just like you. I grew
up in a little town in West Virginia and all
I ever wanted to do was radio. And uh, I
still get nervous before I do an interview with somebody
that I really respect. Do you do you get that
way too. I get nervous when it's people that I
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looked up to as a kid. So if it's someone
that maybe isn't even that famous, but if I looked
up to them as a kid, I'm always like, Wow,
this is really cool because I'm able to be the
fan again. But I can tell you now, I just
feel like everybody's got their own crap and I get
to be friends with some of these people that are
you know, big stars and they have their own crap too,
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and so yeah, they're a little richer than we are.
But I just do feel like everybody's humans, So it
makes my interviewing approached that much easier. I will say
this though, that I had Chris Stapleton over the house,
and so christ Apleton doesn't do a lot of interviews,
like he's silent, and so with Chris, it was a
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little pressure because he was gonna do an hour sit
down with me, and if I screwed that up? How
often does someone give talked to Chris Stapleton for an hour.
So I did feel a little pressure with Chris. But
other than that, I just try to see everybody is
like the humans that have their own crap at the
house that they've gotta deal with just a little more money.
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Oh my god, I've had so much therapy and I
still can't get to that point. But I I wish
I really respected you could do that. I know we
both have an affinity for Howard Stern's interviews as well.
What what do you like about Stern and what he
does with an interview? I think Howard turns the greatest
radio interviewer that I've ever heard, because One, he makes
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people feel so comfortable that they'll say things they won't
say in other places. And I think he has the
benefit of a couple of things. One space, he has
a lot of spences to to sit someone down, which
is why I like doing the podcast, because I can
sit someone down and I put them in a really
comfortable chair and we just talk and I can see
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them relax and I can see them kind of go okay, okay.
And with radio just in general, it's a little harder
to do that because you have maybe eleven minutes, you know,
and so there are a few things you want to hit.
But with with Stern, he puts someone in a place
where they almost forget they're being interviewed, and they also
see Stern as a peer, which is a really cool thing,
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and so they go in wanting to do a good
interview for Stern. And that's always been my goal too,
is to have artists coming to go I really want
to do a good interview, and this isn't just one
of the radio tour, like one of the press tours,
and so that's been one of the things. And I
listened to all Sterns interview I just listened to a
two thousand thirteen interview that Howard started with with Mark Tuban,
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and I listened to it like it was brand new today.
It was that good and that refreshing to hear. And
you know, Letterman and Stern are my two biggest influences
from growing up and doing broadcasting, So yeah, he's the greatest.
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I think. One of the things that I think that
makes you successful that I loved about doing radio, and
one of the reasons I left morning radio and went
into podcast was that the whole idea of like living
your life on the air, and it's not always easy
to do that, but I know there's a lot of
that with you and your show and your philosophy on radio.
Can you talk about that a little bit and like,
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what's you know there? There's some there's some downsides of
that as well, I'm sure right. I mean, I haven't
had one single relationship work because I am determined to
keep my life as real as possible, and you know,
I think with success, which has been odd to say,
but I'm at the point now where I had to
kind of embrace the fact that I've been somewhat successful
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and I can't get on the year and act like
I haven't been. And so with that, I feel the
need to be even more personal about my personal life.
And so it's almost this. I walk myself into a
trap every single time with relationships because I get into
them and I go, wow, I don't want to be
I don't unrelatable to my audience because they can look
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on the internet and see the different you know, success stories,
radio show, TV, whatever it is. So I need to
be extra personal. And when I do that, it's killed
every I guess, every single relationship. So uh, it's just
something I commit to and so far, you know, it
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has penalized me personally. But also I guess I wouldn't
have met a lot of these great people in my
life if it hadn't been for radio. So I guess
I can look at it that way too. You know.
You know, my my my wife now, I met her,
she was a listener. She had sent me an email
when I was on the air, and we'd been dating
for about two months, and I said something very indiscreet
on the air, and she got upset and and I
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my response to her was sorry, this is my this
is what I do. I'm married to Radio first da
da da Da Da da da. And then a female
colleague sat me down and said, hey, buddy, you really
want this thing to work out. That's probably not the
best response that you should have when she gets upset
about something. I'm sure you've had that similar conversation with
with girlfriends over the years. Yeah, and then I get
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into the habit of first in my earlier Mornings show days,
and when I was twenty three, that was it. I
was like, I'm committed to being on the air for
because I just didn't plan on getting married. But then later,
you know, as I became yeah it's the show would
get bigger, and I was doing a lot of other
things and I really didn't have time to do anything
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but work. The only people I wouldn't meet would be
people in the industry or artists or and so that
put another stress on the relationship. And you know, my
last couple of relationships, especially the last one was hurt
because she was an artist and other companies were penalizing
her for dating me, and that one really wasn't even
my fault. So that that what kind of stuck because
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it was a good relationship, Like I finally had one,
and then you saw a lot of other places penalizing
her because she was dating me. So finally I figured
it out, and you know, as usual, it all comes
crumbling down. I read about that and and and I
read some transcripts from how you handled it on the air,
which I thought was just an amazing job. But man,
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radio is a lot more cutthroat than I think people realize,
and in and I think even country radio people don't
realize how cutthroat that can be. I mean, were you
are you still surprised by that? Sometimes I'm not surprised
because like a bunch of twelve year olds in Nashville,
like the country format and the labels and radio it's
like a bunch of kids fighting into sand box. So
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you know, it doesn't surprise me because it's so stupid.
So as you can see, I'm pretty bitter at the
whole thing. But I don't even me. I don't see
country radio as just being on a radio going transmitter
at to car. Like everything I do I do for
the phone, I do for digital. I'm glad it's on
the radio, I'm glad it's live. But I do every
single thing for digital, And if it's the podcast, if
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it's the radio, show, like, I'm just a content provider,
and so that's my goal every morning is just provide
content that people can download and stream and hopefully listen live.
But if we don't look ahead and start building our
end of the world shelters, we're gonna get left behind.
I tell people Radio all this all the time, Like,
if you're just doing a rad deo show and you're
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the only thing is transmitted a car, you can go
ahead and put the little live clock on because if
you're still alive anyway, you don't have much time left
and you have to start building because you know everybody.
It seemed like people in the podcasting room that everyone
has a podcast because we're already deep inside of it,
but they don't. They don't yet really going to mainstream
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itself in the next three to five years. So I
left radio eight nine years ago. I left the morning show,
went and helped start this startup Stitcher, and got into podcasting.
And I just came back eight months ago and to
take over digital here and I heart in San Francisco
and help with the podcasting strategy. But when I got here,
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the name I kept hearing was Bobby Bones, And I
mean I got sick of hearing about you because it
was like, well, Bobby and Bobby Cat do that, but
but you know, hearing your talk, I realized, well, this
is why, because you're willing to be honest about Hey,
there's a future in this business and it might not
be the way it's it's been in the past the future,
and people aren't ready to embrace it because one it's
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more work, or two it's unfamiliar. And those are the
two things. People are lazy and scared. I'm both of them,
but I know on both of them. So I go
ahead and say, all right, so I don't I'd rather
not work. But if I don't work and I don't,
go ahead and build this platform, just the Bobby Cast
for example, if I don't build it now, then when
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everyone is launching a new podcast, I'm just gonna become
another one of the new launches. So I want to
build and have my base there. I want to start
forming it right now, like as early as possible, they
always did. The best time to plan the tree was
twenty years ago. The second best time is right now.
So I started the podcast. I used my own money.
You have the crappiest equipment still it's in my house.
I mean, it's a terrible room and how it just
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sounds ter everything about its channel. But that's what made
it actually seem real and cool, and the fact and
I started with a couple of songwriter friends that and
then the Bobby Cast is as a podcast, it's like
the second layer of Nashville. It's basically songwriters, mostly producers
and sometimes behind the scenes of the radio show. But
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what happened was I really it was just a passion project.
And for me, even with radio, it was find something
you love because if you do, you're gonna work harder
at it. And if you work harder at it, the
odds are you'll be more successful at it. I don't
think it would listen to this thing, not in mass quantities. Instead,
the fact that it's you know, it has followers and
the seven figures now is shocking to me this early
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because it's a pot it's a podcast with writers and producers,
and who wants to listen to that? Apparently a lot
of people do well. I think it speaks back to
what being real content. And I always say that a
good podcast creates empathy and also it kind of stimulates
the same part of the brain is reading a book,
and if it's a good story and it's told, well,
you want to sit down and and and be involved
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in And I think that's the key to what you
do and and and your approach to artists. And just
like you said, when they come in, they feel comfortable,
they're having a good time. They want to to be honest,
and honesty is the key to good podcast. I think
I love the fact that you say, like reading a book,
because you know what else podcast allow. The listening live
on the radio doesn't, and that's pausing it and coming
back whenever you want. Just like a book, I don't
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read a whole book in a single I don't sit
down and read a whole book. But if I want
to read a book for as long as I want,
I can't. With the podcast. You did the same thing.
You know how many I have so many podcasts soup
and stopped at certain points that I just go back to,
just like I do a book. So I love that analogy.
I've never thought of it quite like that. But the
same way, like I had on Barry Dean, who's a
writer who wrote with Ingram Michaelson and did all these
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big country songs and we talked for an hour and
fifteen minutes. And if it's probably a bit too long
for one setting, but if someone listened to twenty minutes
of it and came back later, that's cool by me.
I'm just putting everything out there, and if you want
to hear it, great, and if you want to hear
some others, great, or you want all of it, that's awesome.
But I think my goal is just to get out
as much content as closet wall I. I've launched twenty
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six podcasts since I got here in San Francisco on
this market, and all of all of my jocks, I
tell them the same thing. You want to do it
because this is a muscle that you should be stretching.
You don't get to stretch on the air anymore. And
that in this format on the radio, they want you
to stay, stay on the center lane, don't take the offshoots,
you know, stick to the stick to the program. And
with with podcasting, you know, it's the opposite. I'm always
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encouraging my talent, get off, get off on the exit,
take the next exit, you know, you know, to get
back on. And I think that the time helps out
without a lot. Do you find that a lot of
your best material comes from those exits that you didn't
plan to take on during an interview? Yeah, I think
a couple of things. And you brought up another great
point to in that with a podcast, there isn't a
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formula that you have to follow. Like in radio, I
or whomever is doing some big show, we get credited
with being so crazy and out of the we're still
following a formula. On the radio. We're still following a formula.
We get out at certain times to go to break.
We have this much time to talk. We have to
get our You know, if people were starting podcast today
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and I have a whole network with a lot to
a bunch of shows, I actually like it if they
don't listen to a lot of podcasts, because I don't
want them to have a formula of what things should
sound like, you know, much like my radio show when
I started it and still to this day, like nobody
on my show ever worked in radio, so they didn't
have radio brain, So they didn't come in already thinking
they well, radio should be done this way. And that's
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why I hired the people that I hired. They were
my friends already and they didn't have radio brain, and
you're starting to see some people now to have podcast brain,
and I tell them, well, well, well you have all
of this space to do whatever you want, trying not
to make your podcast sound like anything else. And so
when I work with like a Christian Bush who from
sugar Land who's doing a podcast on my network, or
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a Jake go On who's an artist, or I have
a girl who's doing uh, you know, fashion stuff, I
don't want them to sound like other podcasts. Or if
they say what podcast did I listen to? You know,
you almost don't want to have them listen to podcasts
that are similar material because you don't want them following
that same kind of step. So yes, for me, it's
a different muscle completely, and I love it because of that.
But it also what people start saying, I want to
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sound like this podcast like you don't have to. There
are no rules. It's not like radio in that way
when you talk about building you know, the team around,
you're not not coming from radio and and not having
folks listen to podcasts. It's just it makes me think
about how this is still the wild West, and and
there's and I tell people all the time that we've
only scratched maybe the not even the surface of like
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what kind of podcasts that people can do now with
the Natural Podcast Network, I know a lot of the
plan is to is to bring podcasts to to to
the people, you know, to make it you know, not
this you know ethereal world of NPR guys, uh, you
know doing podcasts. How how important do you think that
is as far as reaching new audiences And do you
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think radio has an opportunity to really do that. I
think I'm lucky because I have a huge platform to
promote a different platform, and I've been able to do
that with you know, my stand up or with music
or or whatever else. And now I've found that I
can use it to promote podcasting, which is similar well
so but you know, so a stand up comedy, so
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it is a similar thing. But most people, most people
aren't habitually podcasting, and so especially that listened to my format,
and so I can say, hey, listen, is that easy?
Like it's for free. All you have to do is subscribe,
and I have a whole new audience. And that's why
we developed a Nashville podcast network is because I saw
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just kind of a need for content and people being
hungry for this content that I didn't think we're going
to reach a wide audience and it did, and I
started to go, Wow, people will listen to songwriters. What
about if a songwriter did a podcast? Well, what if
you know, Uh, it just feels like, like you said,
a very stuffy room right now where everyone is too
cool for school that's doing one because all the big
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ones are you know, the the cool. You know, they're
very gonna be hi to even understand the technology, which
really isn't the case. So we know that it's more
inside of it. But it's teaching the audience that it's
just one too. And you have all this content on
your phone. You're probably listening to the radio show on
your phone anyway, so it's just as easy, and it's
on demand. I want to go back to you know,
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you've launched it that where you do a lot of stuff.
You're an author. I just watched your Ted Talk and
I just want to tell you how much I appreciated
that because I always tell the story I teach your
university and I tell students this story that the first
time I was on the air, and and the and
the Ted Talk is is all about winning by losing
and if you haven't, please go watch it. My first
day on the air, I was sixteen years old at
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a small AM station in West Virginia and I had
to put a needle on an album that played the
sounds of Snatra at six am on on Sunday mornings,
and I had to do the weather. And the first
day I was on the air, the guy that owned
the station was in the studio with me, and or
he was in the other room. And I put the
needle on. It's scratched, and I yelled, shipped into the
mike three times, and he comes in and he turns
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the mic off and he picks up the need only
puts it on the thing and he just looked at
me and he said, you're never going to do that again,
are you? I said nope, and he walked out. And
that was that man. And it was just that idea
of like, hey, you're gonna you're gonna screw up, You're
gonna yell shoot into the mike three times. So, you know,
I think that a lot of people don't realize that
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when they hear somebody and they see you, you know,
look at Bobby's doing all these things that that didn't
just happen overnight. You know that that that takes a
lot of mistakes to get to the point where you're at.
That's funny, man. First of all, that's the hilarious story,
and I can relate like so hard. Yeah, you know
for me, there was a guy wrote an article like
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three months ago. It was like, yeah, boyebones, he doesn't
know the difference being born on third base and hitting
a triple. He was born on third base. And I
was like, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I had. Let's yeah, I was seventeen, I had no
connections with radio. I begged for a job in Hot Springs,
freaking Arkansas, and I was hired to clean the lobby,
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clean the lobby. That turned into people getting fired. I
got to do weekend nights as I was going to
school full time. I started doing nights as I'm working
two jobs and going to school. Moved towards every single job,
but had has been a small move to the other.
I started my syndication company with my own money, and
I was making fifty grand a year and was probably
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putting twenty two of it back into using this technology
at the time that wasn't being used in that capacity,
which was comrades, and someone had the balls and the
nerve to tell me I was born on third base.
But then, as usual, I try to always look at
it from a different like Charletmagne, the guys are my
best friends, and he's always like, hey, before you get
angry at somebody's perspective, try to put yourself in their shoes.
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And so I did that, and I started to see
that when someone assigns you some sort of success that
was given to you, it means one you're actually successful,
because I think our natural instinct is to be a
hater on anybody. I mean, we just want to hate
on people that we think don't deserve to be there,
regardless if they've done the work or not. So natural
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human instinct. On the same way, you're the same way,
regardless if it actually comes to fruition. We all have
hater and instinct in this and we're like, oh, I
should be there or not down. So, first of all,
after realize that that's coming from that direction, and then
second of all, I can see very much so how
it looks like I was just planted in Nashville and
I have a hundred affiliates. That's not the case. But
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we've been very vocal about the successes of the show.
I mean I started. I think I had thirty affiliates
when we started, and that was pretty much what I
had a pop whenever I switched over. But again, all
the failures, we didn't ye all the failures. We didn't scream, hey,
look at all these stations that dropped the show, or
the places that we've had ratings trouble or look at
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We said, hey, look at all the successes. And that
wasn't my Ted talks about too, is like everybody that's
sup we're successful has felt so many more times than
you would ever know, because the successes are what everyone sees.
There are the one there's the things that have screamed.
So you know, he said that, and I was very
irritated about the article until I took my friends advice.
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It was like, look at it from his perspective, and
so I do that now. In that one instance, I
remember it like vividly of being so irritated by it.
But I've also grown as a person because of it,
and I failed a lot. I gotta find a million
dollars by the sec so, and the company kept me,
you know, and that wasn't mentioned There's It was the
most difficult eighteen months when I moved to Nashville. We sucked.
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The show did not fit, the format, did not embrace us.
The artists were scared of us, the listeners didn't want
any part of it because we were replacing local morning
shows in twenty five cities like it was miserable for
eighteen months, and for us to shift an audience even
give us a chance, I don't know many people that
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could have taken that beating unless they were You used
to take a beating, and I'm used to take a beating, well,
you know, to to like circle back around. One of
this is why I was so nervous to interview you,
was because we have very similar backgrounds. I started same thing,
small market. I walked in and said, hey, I'll clean
the floors. Whatever you want, I'll do that, and then
they ended up letting me run aboard, and then somebody
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got sick, and then I became a DJ. Same thing,
put my way through college working on the air. Except
for your first contract was a little more than mine.
I was making fourteen grand a year when I started
doing some time. To be fair, I was, I didn't
have a contract until I was in my until I
was like twenty two. So I think we both worked
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in my way for a long time before we got
any sort of documentation that we just did on the radio.
That's right, And you know, just that whole idea of
working from market to market to market. And one thing
I read about you that I didn't know other people
did was I used to pay all my bills way
ahead of time because I was I'm still like this.
I still think this is my last job and I'm
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not gonna have any money and I'm gonna be poor again.
Does that still run through your head at all? I
know I've read in Forbes that that you did that
you paid all your bills ahead of time too. Oh yeah,
I just don't expect this to last much longer ever,
And so I know, well, listen, you can't. It's like
there's a difference in a poor person with money and
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a rich person. And I feel like, regardless of if
I have no money or have money, I'll be a
poor person either with money or without. And it's just
how we're wired. Like I grew up and you know,
I'm pretty good at being poor because that's what I
had to do forever. I'm I'm a good survivor, and
I I've survived everywhere I've been. I haven't. I don't
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thrive till way later. I've survived everywhere I've been. I
wish that it was just easy, just one thing. I
wish one would be easy, but I take on tasks
that are often bigger than me. So I survived through
the early part, and then right about the time when
it starts to get good, I go, h what if
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I can try this? And so I kind of set
myself up for all this punishment. But you know that's
how we're wired. The we're the same. You grow up away,
you can change. You can take me out of Arkansas,
but you can't take the Arkansas to me. So you
know that that's just how it is, you know. I
you said that, you know you wish that, you know
you could have things easier, But I don't think so.
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And my wife pointed that out to me the other
day because I was I was just I was sitting
I was just saying how I wish I could enjoy downtime,
and I'm really just not good with it. I I
always feel like I'm not doing enough, that there's something
I should be doing instead of watching gold Rush on
on Discovery Channel. So I mean, do you think you
really would like it if it was easier? Do you
you thrive off of this? Well? I would at this point,
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I would like for something to be easy. I would
like to get So do you how many freaking TV
pilots that have been green lit that haven't picked up
that I've done? I mean on a major level, four
or five for studios and major money on a pilot
and either it hasn't been picked up, or it gets
picked up and something falls through, or the leadership changers
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at the network like at this especially with TV like
that has been the the biggest thing to conquer for
me is because I've had networks to commit for a
year at a time and on big projects, and something
has happened every single time. I think I'm over five
on pilots. I've done one for three of the major
four networks and then one for c MT, two for CMT,
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and something has happened every time. So especially I have
to look at, well, what's the common denominator? It's me?
So how can I change what is sucking? In all
of these. So uh, I would like for something. But again,
I guess I'm the one that's affecting at all because
I can't get it to work. I like for one
of those to work. At my point, it's one of them,
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I say, just one of them to work. So I
I guess if it came too easy, I would probably go, well,
is this is really even worth it? There's probably that
backhand mentality of if it came easy. It's like Gratcha
Warks used to say, I don't want to be a
member of any club that would have me. So I
wonder if it came easy, if I would go like,
wait that was too easy? Is this even worth being here?
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Or is this for real? So maybe it's some sick, twisted,
you know we need to be punished mentality that we
must have. But I would like to get one of
these stupid TV shows to work, and mark my word,
I got two right now. They're in the work too.
If they both fail, I'm done, I'm out no more TV.
I quit. Well, So I feel about about about this
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podcast right now. Or we're about six seven episodes in
and I'm just sitting here going God, when is this
going to catch on, you know what, never forever. And
it took me fifty five episodes of the Bobby Cast.
I mean, for I don't even gets sider a podcast
real in my mind less has a hundred episodes. Now,
what sucks about my podcast is during hour long, So
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that's a lot of material. Because a podcast, to me,
it's about commitment to consistency. But it's not just about
doing dynamic shows every single time, like you needed to
tell people what they're gonna get and when they're gonna
get it, and then do it. And that's been my
story for every single thing I've ever done, but especially
in podcasting. Everybody does three podcasts of four podcasts and
players out that's every That's pretty much everyone. Everybody had one.
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We've done one here, very inconsistent. But to do something
consistent is the hardest thing. To show up on time
all the time is the one thing that successful people
always have in common. So I treat my podcast the
same way. It's be consistent. And so we'd around a
hundred right now, we're we're getting close to a hundred,
and so we're about to be a real thing. In
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my mind, when we hit a hundred, that's a real podcast.
But until podcast fifty five and fifty seven and we're
just talking about over fifty hours of content, din't nobody
really listen. Nobody cared that much. But once they did
and it started organically being shared, it was like boom.
But it took a long time, a lot of patients
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and just showing up doing it over and over again.
I think that anybody that's gonna be on your podcast
network should listen to that and know that they've got
somebody supporting them, because in our business it feels like
hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up with a
lot of stuff. So I think, you know, that's good
and refreshing to hear, because it doesn't work like that
in podcasting, just like you said, it doesn't work like
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that really in anything. And then when you do see it,
you go, oh, well, they had it easy. But then
you realize there were about seven other layers before that.
I mean, it's just all smoke in mirrors. Even with again,
someone looking at my radio shows going wow, I look
at this guy, he was good. I was giving anything. Man.
I had to build my own syndication company with my
own money and then go I would like to sell
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all of it and risk everything to change format. And
if you just look at it from afar ago, this
guy was given everything. You weren't give anything. I wasn't
given anything. But again then I have to go and
look at myself and go, who do I do that too?
Because I know for sure if people are doing that
to me, I'm looking at somebody else going now, they
were just given that. So it makes me look at
myself in the mirror and go, stop doing that, you
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big douche And so it's been a big reflector for
me to be able to go, don't be a douchebag,
and people like there being a douchebag to you, and
so it's it's it's troubling, it's awesome, it's I tell
the people that are coming on the network, do not
expect for ten thousand, seventy thousand, or one million people
to hear this for the first twenty hours that you're
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putting into it, because this is a land of foundation
right now, and you're not gonna be good at it
first either. You're actually gonna be quite bad. And if
you can't do ten shows and go back and listen
to a show ten shows ago and go man, I
wasn't good, then you're not getting better fast enough. You
should be able to be embarrassed of what you did
ten shows ago because you've moved so far ahead. Well,
I'm gonna play this for all my talent here who
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I'm I'm starting a podcast with because they're we're getting
a lot of that. Uh, I've done twenty I'm not.
You know they either it stops being every week and
then you know, it's it's just a keeping people consistent.
It's it's really hard. It's it's a lot of people
don't want to do it. They don't want to do it,
and they won't do it eventually. But again, I have
a show that five million people listened to a week
and I did I didn't done over fifty and nobody
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was listening. So that's the nature of the podcast, Like
you're you're growing them one at a time. You're growing
these people that listen one at a time. And but
that the awesome this is if they're listening to your podcast,
they are passionate about what they're listening to. So if
you can get them, you have them, just continue to
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feed them. It's like a straight puppy. People are like
I'm a straight puppy. I wander around looking for food
tobody to feed me. And when I find that door
that's open or they're giving me food, I go back
to that door because they just fed me. And we're
all straight puppies looking for something to entertain us in
this content driven world where they're a thousand different things
coming at us in all different directions. We're all straight puppies.
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Just see the stilly puppy, because they're not. They're walking around.
You gotta find them and keep feeding them, all right,
straight poppy. Before we get out of here, I wanted
to I do a very radio a segment at the
end here called three Killer Questions. I'm gonna ask your
three questions and I want to see what your sponsees
in the first one, Bobby Bones, is if there's anyone
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in history living dead that you can hear do a podcast?
Who would you like to hear anyone in history do
a podcast? And I get to pick the subject. Yeah, yeah,
this is all you. You're the producer. Whatever you want,
more more difficult than than it probably should be. I
could just give an answer. I guess um, you know, man,
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when I look at like I would love to hear
Andy Kaufman really talk as a human being and not
as one of the characters that he may or may
not have been playing. Like I would love to hear
a Andy Kaufman talks as Andy Kaufman podcast. And he
told me about all of the everything behind all of
(31:04):
the bits that he did, all of these ideas and
the stunt, and that's what I was. Andy kaufment to
me is one of the more revolutionary comedic figures, because man,
he would take a joke and just beat it to
death where it wasn't funny, and then keep beating it
till it became funny again. And they'll be able to
sit in that spot right where it's like, oh, people
don't like it, and just sit and know that they're
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gonna come back around or they're not. That to me
is vulnerable and brilliant, and that's what I would want.
Did you watch the Jim Carey documentaries on Netflix right
now about the win Man on the Moon? Yes? I
watched it. Loved it. I mean, I I just feel
like those are kindred spirits man for me, Like I'm
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nuts too. I just watched it Saturday, and I meant
to watch like I was gonna watch a little bit
of it and then go to bed, and I stayed
up till one in the morning. It was so fascinating,
such a such a good watch. It's called Jim and
Andy and I'm gonna tell you if I worked in
that Man on the Moon set with Jim, say, is
all that crap? I don't want nuts to like I've
been so pissed at him, but I mean, like I
get I I don't understand why he's like he is,
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but I get feeling different than everybody. And that's when
I watched that. The document is fascinating anyway, because I
love any comman. I love Man on the Moon, and
I like Jim Carrey because of he just lowers his
head and goes into things, and so I admire anyone
that can do that. But the documentary is fantastic, and
I'll watched another one on Hulu. It was called Too
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Funny to Fail with Danna Carvey and uh where it was.
It's about that show and how Steve Carrell was on
it and Stephen Colbert was on it, and you know,
this show had everybody that ended up being fantastic, but
it bombed and it's a it's a really great documentary too.
If we love comedy, man, we're we are in the
glory days of of of network content as far as
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with Netflix and Hulu. But I just real quick on
the sign up with that Jim Carrey you know he
did that, you know working in radio. We all got
that clip when he was being uh at fashion can
and he was saying, oh, none of this is real
and and people were like, oh, Jim Carrey has gone crazy. Well,
I haven't watched that documentary. I'm like, no, now, he's right,
none of this is real. And I really I feel
like I understand Jim Carrey a lot more from watching
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that documentary. Yeah. Is he's so right that he's crazy?
That's the question. Like it because we found that the
craziest people throughout history were the ones that we're We're
right a lot of times. I mean, just think about
I mean Galileo. I mean we can go to someone
who's just we go, oh, yes, of course, great astronomer
who the dude was told he was absolutely nuts, And
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so throughout times it's taken to people with the really
crazy ideas. Two, what was the Bill Gates do with
Steve Jobs? Let's say it takes someone just crazy and
so crazy to think they can change the world to
actually change the world, and so Jim Carrey is nuts,
but those are the people that actually had at making
things happen, and people who are so nuts that they
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believe in themselves. So yeah, now we're on a whole
different thing where we could spend an hour on it.
But yes, question number two, what was the one piece
of technology you know in your life that you you
got and realized this is going to change my life?
I mean the easy answers radio, But I'm gonna not
say radio. I'm gonna say, ah, probably whenever, my whenever
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I could take my radio show and put it over
the internet. And so I guess it would be whenever,
because we started streaming our show and making it a
priority before it was fashionable only because not because I
was some suits there, but only because I was young
and in radio, and that gave me a huge advantage
because I was actually living the life of other twenty
three year olds and I wasn't fifty having to adapt,
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which I always hope that i'm not, because I mean
now in my thirties, and I'm hoping I'm not having
to adapt to something and it's not quite fitting, and
you know, you don't want to lose your your feet
into the ground. But I would say the media Player
was a huge deal to me because people could hear
my show on the internet and we made it a
huge priority. And like two thousand and four, whenever, in
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two thousand and five, whenever, it really wasn't shows weren't
doing that. So I'm gonna say the media player and
what was the last podcast you binged? Um that I so,
I don't I won't beinge a podcast. I will listen
to them episode only that's even a word, because I
have something I like. Um, I like the the the
(35:28):
NPR where they tell you how things came about. I
just listen to the one one with Southwest Carolines or
they tell you how how things are created. I listen
to the one UM where they talked about al Alba
and the chipmunks. But that's a good I know MPR
is like a big rival of ours, I guess, but whatever, um.
But yeah, so that's probably the one that when people
would go, hey, what podcast should I listen to? That's
(35:49):
when I send them to because you don't have to
listen to all of them. You can scroll them and
you don't have to feel like you have to binge.
You can find something to interest you, just like my
Bobby cast. Like you can find a writer and artist
and interests you and listen to it and you don't
have to listen to the next episode or one seven away.
You can find someone else that interests you. And so, um,
how that that's probably the one that I listened to latest, Um,
(36:13):
I listen. I listened to Ricky Gervais. His um, Ricky
gervaisis uh deadly serious or everyone on serious? Because I
love Ricky Gervais, like Ricky Gerbay's, Adam Krola and Chris
Rock can me the funniest living individuals. And so I
listened to that one. And again I have all the
technology and sometimes the company gets mad at me if
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you're talking about other things, but then I'm just ignorant
if I'm not talking about other things like I those
are the probably too I listened to last. And this
is a bonus question that I asked. That is a
stupid question. But if you were a sandwich personified, not
not your favorite sandwich, but if there was a Bobby
Bones sandwich that the encompassed you, what would it be?
It would probably a freeing white bread bologney sandwich was
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just mustard because there's not a lot to it, but
they are very effective, and I think that there's not
a lot to me. I'm not the smartest, I'm not
the funniest, I'm not to anything nest, but just give
me a bed of time and I'll make it work.
And so I'm a freaking bologna sandwich, hard working, I'll
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fail you up. Not a lot of fanishiness to it,
and I'm gonna show up every day. So probably a
blondie sandwich. That's great, Bobby, Uh, this is great. I
really appreciate you spending some time with me. Hey, thanks
for thanks for having me and uh, good luck with everyone.
And you know you're you're doing You're doing God's work,
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my friend. All right. For those of you who are
listening to the podcast for the first time, this is
the part of the show where my producer Z comes
in and we talked about some podcasts that you should
be listening to and and Z goes out and finds
him and and and tells me about them. But first
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I have to add aske, do you think Uh, you know,
I listened back to the interview. I'll just put the
cards on the table. We listened to, you know, we
do the we do the interview, and then we do
this part a little bit later on. I loved that
interview with Bobby. Yeah, I feel like he just had
so much good advice and he's such an open book
and so willing to say anything or everything. He doesn't
feel like he needs to hold back, and I thought
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that makes for a good interview. I'm always nervous when
there's somebody I want to tell, like like, I feel
like I'm just like you and I have so much
in common, and I just it's just like and I
listened back and I'm like, oh god, I'm kind of
gushy and stuff. But I didn't touch it people from you,
So I hope you all liked it. Today we're gonna
talk about some podcasts based on radio shows. So Bobby
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was saying that, you know, and this is a big
thing that I believe that if you're doing a radio
show and you're just doing your radio show, you're doing
yourself a disservice. You should be doing a podcast as well.
And these are podcast that come out of radio shows.
So who do you have for us? Well, the first
one is out of the Nashville Podcast Network, which is
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Bobby's Network, and it is Whiskey Riff Raff and it's
just two guys named Stephen West and they just are
super unfiltered, uncensored about different topics about country music and
what it's like living in Nashville. And it's not something
I can necessarily relate to because I don't live there,
but just listening to them is and the topics they
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range cover everything else and they're just funny guys. All
right's check it out. There's a kid in Ohio at
Ohio State that's using my photos to act like me
under under the name Jack I'm Bumble. And then and
this girl was like, hey, that's whiskey riff type of
stuff and he's like, oh, I'm not sure what it is.
It's just my brother's hat I borrowed. And she's like, no,
(39:46):
that's not you. And she sent me like the conversation
and reported him and I was like, tell her, tell me,
I got the FBI on it. It's a freak amount post.
It just really it's really bizarre. Whiskey Riff Raff. I
like the name too. It could be the name of
my family reunions in West Virginia. Actually, we prefer blue
stuff and Hillbillies. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm that's my people. Yeah,
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I don't know anything about You don't want to know anything. Yeah,
holler folks. All right, So I know the next two.
If you're a Bobby fan, you probably don't know about
these shows, and these might not even be something that
you would listen to, but I think it's I listened
to everything, so I like to hear about shows from
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all kinds of genres. So let's start with the first one.
So the first one is Elvis Durant presents the Fifteen
Minute Morning Show. And Elvis Durant is obviously a legend
and I love listening to his on demand podcast after
on his show, but this was one that I found
and it's everything they don't get to on the radio
show that they put into a podcast. And the team
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is just so funny, like you know that they get
along and they all have good banter, and they're really
witty and quick, and I just like listen to them
and short, so it's just like a quick fifteen minutes.
It's always fifteen minutes and it's easy. All right, let's
check it out. But it's true. I thought I thought
I had expensive stools. I guess I didn't. I don't
want to hear about your stools. But are they made
(41:13):
by Nerve? Oh my god, Okay, get this. The chair
is made of the Nerve material. Elvis Duran, I wish that.
I I wish I had about a hundreds of the
cloud he has in in this company of My Heart Radio. Yeah,
he's here. Everybody loves him. Oh my god, Elvis, Elvis, Elvis, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.
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You just wanted to be Maddie, Mattie, Maddie. I don't
even want that. I would just like it to be
like like that. I whisper, beay soon, soon, it'll happen.
And our last one is actually from my Heart Media,
San Francisco, and it is with Big Vaughan from Camel.
He has a podcast called The v Entourage and he
(41:56):
describes it as your daily dose of dumb ship. Yeah,
it's just I wish people could be in the studio
when he's recording it, because I've been in there a
few times and we'll just be talking about something. He'll
be like, hey, let's put it on the podcast and
the topics, I mean, they can get Yeah, this is
not for the faint of heart. If it is not,
(42:20):
it's not safe for work. The intro says it don't
say work or anywhere somebody else might listen. Um, so
hopefully you picked out a clip that's not so so bad. Yeah,
I mean I tried my best company that you have
(42:40):
it a world fromier. You only get right here in
the venturage, the brand new det hose, but it cast
me on side girl trash. But nowadays I can't just
really say that because next thing, you know, your mother
would be so stupid that people just start singing it
and next thing you know, yad and made her a millionaire.
Now full disclosure. When I got to my Heart Radio
San Francisco, I met Big Vaughan and I immediately said,
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you have to do a podcast. And he was the
first podcast I launched when I got here. He's a
walking podcast. Yeah, he always has something interesting to say.
I mean he is. Yeah, he is just a podcast.
I hope, I hope people check that out. It's it's
definitely one of my favorite podcasts. All right, good job
and welcome if you're a new listener, we really appreciate
you coming in and checking out the show. Go back
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judge on from Criminal which is she That's one of
my favorites. Um the first episode with Seth Lynn from
This American Life, the folks from Mission to Zix. Now,
that's a good one. There's all kinds of footballers, all magical.
Coming up in the new year, we'll have a new
season featuring comedian Felipe. I didn't interview with him, and
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we went on for an hour and then we we
stopped and then we started talking again and we got
another twenty minutes. So I might have split that one up.
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Hi everybody, and welcome to Access podcast, the podcast about podcast.
And this week I talked to somebody I have a
bit of a man crush on. He's naturally syndicated radio host, author, comedian,
and host of The Bobby Cast Bobby Bones. Which song
are you just tired of playing? Um? I'm tired of
playing Waiting on the world changed? What did I said, hey,
(00:27):
why that I would have one? Would be one? Yeah?
You know, I gotta say I I've been doing. I've
been I started in radio just like you. I grew
up in a little town in West Virginia and all
I ever wanted to do was radio. And uh, I
still get nervous before I do an interview with somebody
that I really respect. Do you do you get that
way too. I get nervous when it's people that I
(00:49):
looked up to as a kid. So if it's someone
that maybe isn't even that famous, but if I looked
up to them as a kid, I'm always like, Wow,
this is really cool because I'm able to be the
fan again. But I can tell you now, I just
feel like everybody's got their own crap and I get
to be friends with some of these people that are
you know, big stars and they have their own crap too,
(01:10):
and so yeah, they're a little richer than we are.
But I just do feel like everybody's humans, So it
makes my interviewing approached that much easier. I will say
this though, that I had Chris Stapleton over the house,
and so christ Apleton doesn't do a lot of interviews,
like he's silent, and so with Chris, it was a
(01:31):
little pressure because he was gonna do an hour sit
down with me, and if I screwed that up? How
often does someone give talked to Chris Stapleton for an hour.
So I did feel a little pressure with Chris. But
other than that, I just try to see everybody is
like the humans that have their own crap at the
house that they've gotta deal with just a little more money.
(01:51):
Oh my god, I've had so much therapy and I
still can't get to that point. But I I wish
I really respected you could do that. I know we
both have an affinity for Howard Stern's interviews as well.
What what do you like about Stern and what he
does with an interview? I think Howard turns the greatest
radio interviewer that I've ever heard, because One, he makes
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people feel so comfortable that they'll say things they won't
say in other places. And I think he has the
benefit of a couple of things. One space, he has
a lot of spences to to sit someone down, which
is why I like doing the podcast, because I can
sit someone down and I put them in a really
comfortable chair and we just talk and I can see
(02:36):
them relax and I can see them kind of go okay, okay.
And with radio just in general, it's a little harder
to do that because you have maybe eleven minutes, you know,
and so there are a few things you want to hit.
But with with Stern, he puts someone in a place
where they almost forget they're being interviewed, and they also
see Stern as a peer, which is a really cool thing,
(02:59):
and so they go in wanting to do a good
interview for Stern. And that's always been my goal too,
is to have artists coming to go I really want
to do a good interview, and this isn't just one
of the radio tour, like one of the press tours,
and so that's been one of the things. And I
listened to all Sterns interview I just listened to a
two thousand thirteen interview that Howard started with with Mark Tuban,
(03:20):
and I listened to it like it was brand new today.
It was that good and that refreshing to hear. And
you know, Letterman and Stern are my two biggest influences
from growing up and doing broadcasting, So yeah, he's the greatest.
(03:40):
I think. One of the things that I think that
makes you successful that I loved about doing radio, and
one of the reasons I left morning radio and went
into podcast was that the whole idea of like living
your life on the air, and it's not always easy
to do that, but I know there's a lot of
that with you and your show and your philosophy on radio.
Can you talk about that a little bit and like,
(04:00):
what's you know there? There's some there's some downsides of
that as well, I'm sure right. I mean, I haven't
had one single relationship work because I am determined to
keep my life as real as possible, and you know,
I think with success, which has been odd to say,
but I'm at the point now where I had to
kind of embrace the fact that I've been somewhat successful
(04:20):
and I can't get on the year and act like
I haven't been. And so with that, I feel the
need to be even more personal about my personal life.
And so it's almost this. I walk myself into a
trap every single time with relationships because I get into
them and I go, wow, I don't want to be
I don't unrelatable to my audience because they can look
(04:43):
on the internet and see the different you know, success stories,
radio show, TV, whatever it is. So I need to
be extra personal. And when I do that, it's killed
every I guess, every single relationship. So uh, it's just
something I commit to and so far, you know, it
(05:04):
has penalized me personally. But also I guess I wouldn't
have met a lot of these great people in my
life if it hadn't been for radio. So I guess
I can look at it that way too. You know.
You know, my my my wife now, I met her,
she was a listener. She had sent me an email
when I was on the air, and we'd been dating
for about two months, and I said something very indiscreet
on the air, and she got upset and and I
(05:27):
my response to her was sorry, this is my this
is what I do. I'm married to Radio first da
da da Da Da da da. And then a female
colleague sat me down and said, hey, buddy, you really
want this thing to work out. That's probably not the
best response that you should have when she gets upset
about something. I'm sure you've had that similar conversation with
with girlfriends over the years. Yeah, and then I get
(05:50):
into the habit of first in my earlier Mornings show days,
and when I was twenty three, that was it. I
was like, I'm committed to being on the air for
because I just didn't plan on getting married. But then later,
you know, as I became yeah it's the show would
get bigger, and I was doing a lot of other
things and I really didn't have time to do anything
(06:10):
but work. The only people I wouldn't meet would be
people in the industry or artists or and so that
put another stress on the relationship. And you know, my
last couple of relationships, especially the last one was hurt
because she was an artist and other companies were penalizing
her for dating me, and that one really wasn't even
my fault. So that that what kind of stuck because
(06:31):
it was a good relationship, Like I finally had one,
and then you saw a lot of other places penalizing
her because she was dating me. So finally I figured
it out, and you know, as usual, it all comes
crumbling down. I read about that and and and I
read some transcripts from how you handled it on the air,
which I thought was just an amazing job. But man,
(06:53):
radio is a lot more cutthroat than I think people realize,
and in and I think even country radio people don't
realize how cutthroat that can be. I mean, were you
are you still surprised by that? Sometimes I'm not surprised
because like a bunch of twelve year olds in Nashville,
like the country format and the labels and radio it's
like a bunch of kids fighting into sand box. So
(07:15):
you know, it doesn't surprise me because it's so stupid.
So as you can see, I'm pretty bitter at the
whole thing. But I don't even me. I don't see
country radio as just being on a radio going transmitter
at to car. Like everything I do I do for
the phone, I do for digital. I'm glad it's on
the radio, I'm glad it's live. But I do every
single thing for digital, And if it's the podcast, if
(07:39):
it's the radio, show, like, I'm just a content provider,
and so that's my goal every morning is just provide
content that people can download and stream and hopefully listen live.
But if we don't look ahead and start building our
end of the world shelters, we're gonna get left behind.
I tell people Radio all this all the time, Like,
if you're just doing a rad deo show and you're
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the only thing is transmitted a car, you can go
ahead and put the little live clock on because if
you're still alive anyway, you don't have much time left
and you have to start building because you know everybody.
It seemed like people in the podcasting room that everyone
has a podcast because we're already deep inside of it,
but they don't. They don't yet really going to mainstream
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itself in the next three to five years. So I
left radio eight nine years ago. I left the morning show,
went and helped start this startup Stitcher, and got into podcasting.
And I just came back eight months ago and to
take over digital here and I heart in San Francisco
and help with the podcasting strategy. But when I got here,
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the name I kept hearing was Bobby Bones, And I
mean I got sick of hearing about you because it
was like, well, Bobby and Bobby Cat do that, but
but you know, hearing your talk, I realized, well, this
is why, because you're willing to be honest about Hey,
there's a future in this business and it might not
be the way it's it's been in the past the future,
and people aren't ready to embrace it because one it's
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more work, or two it's unfamiliar. And those are the
two things. People are lazy and scared. I'm both of them,
but I know on both of them. So I go
ahead and say, all right, so I don't I'd rather
not work. But if I don't work and I don't,
go ahead and build this platform, just the Bobby Cast
for example, if I don't build it now, then when
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everyone is launching a new podcast, I'm just gonna become
another one of the new launches. So I want to
build and have my base there. I want to start
forming it right now, like as early as possible, they
always did. The best time to plan the tree was
twenty years ago. The second best time is right now.
So I started the podcast. I used my own money.
You have the crappiest equipment still it's in my house.
I mean, it's a terrible room and how it just
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sounds ter everything about its channel. But that's what made
it actually seem real and cool, and the fact and
I started with a couple of songwriter friends that and
then the Bobby Cast is as a podcast, it's like
the second layer of Nashville. It's basically songwriters, mostly producers
and sometimes behind the scenes of the radio show. But
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what happened was I really it was just a passion project.
And for me, even with radio, it was find something
you love because if you do, you're gonna work harder
at it. And if you work harder at it, the
odds are you'll be more successful at it. I don't
think it would listen to this thing, not in mass quantities. Instead,
the fact that it's you know, it has followers and
the seven figures now is shocking to me this early
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because it's a pot it's a podcast with writers and producers,
and who wants to listen to that? Apparently a lot
of people do well. I think it speaks back to
what being real content. And I always say that a
good podcast creates empathy and also it kind of stimulates
the same part of the brain is reading a book,
and if it's a good story and it's told, well,
you want to sit down and and and be involved
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in And I think that's the key to what you
do and and and your approach to artists. And just
like you said, when they come in, they feel comfortable,
they're having a good time. They want to to be honest,
and honesty is the key to good podcast. I think
I love the fact that you say, like reading a book,
because you know what else podcast allow. The listening live
on the radio doesn't, and that's pausing it and coming
back whenever you want. Just like a book, I don't
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read a whole book in a single I don't sit
down and read a whole book. But if I want
to read a book for as long as I want,
I can't. With the podcast. You did the same thing.
You know how many I have so many podcasts soup
and stopped at certain points that I just go back to,
just like I do a book. So I love that analogy.
I've never thought of it quite like that. But the
same way, like I had on Barry Dean, who's a
writer who wrote with Ingram Michaelson and did all these
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big country songs and we talked for an hour and
fifteen minutes. And if it's probably a bit too long
for one setting, but if someone listened to twenty minutes
of it and came back later, that's cool by me.
I'm just putting everything out there, and if you want
to hear it, great, and if you want to hear
some others, great, or you want all of it, that's awesome.
But I think my goal is just to get out
as much content as closet wall I. I've launched twenty
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six podcasts since I got here in San Francisco on
this market, and all of all of my jocks, I
tell them the same thing. You want to do it
because this is a muscle that you should be stretching.
You don't get to stretch on the air anymore. And
that in this format on the radio, they want you
to stay, stay on the center lane, don't take the offshoots,
you know, stick to the stick to the program. And
with with podcasting, you know, it's the opposite. I'm always
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encouraging my talent, get off, get off on the exit,
take the next exit, you know, you know, to get
back on. And I think that the time helps out
without a lot. Do you find that a lot of
your best material comes from those exits that you didn't
plan to take on during an interview? Yeah, I think
a couple of things. And you brought up another great
point to in that with a podcast, there isn't a
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formula that you have to follow. Like in radio, I
or whomever is doing some big show, we get credited
with being so crazy and out of the we're still
following a formula. On the radio. We're still following a formula.
We get out at certain times to go to break.
We have this much time to talk. We have to
get our You know, if people were starting podcast today
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and I have a whole network with a lot to
a bunch of shows, I actually like it if they
don't listen to a lot of podcasts, because I don't
want them to have a formula of what things should
sound like, you know, much like my radio show when
I started it and still to this day, like nobody
on my show ever worked in radio, so they didn't
have radio brain, So they didn't come in already thinking
they well, radio should be done this way. And that's
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why I hired the people that I hired. They were
my friends already and they didn't have radio brain, and
you're starting to see some people now to have podcast brain,
and I tell them, well, well, well you have all
of this space to do whatever you want, trying not
to make your podcast sound like anything else. And so
when I work with like a Christian Bush who from
sugar Land who's doing a podcast on my network, or
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a Jake go On who's an artist, or I have
a girl who's doing uh, you know, fashion stuff, I
don't want them to sound like other podcasts. Or if
they say what podcast did I listen to? You know,
you almost don't want to have them listen to podcasts
that are similar material because you don't want them following
that same kind of step. So yes, for me, it's
a different muscle completely, and I love it because of that.
But it also what people start saying, I want to
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sound like this podcast like you don't have to. There
are no rules. It's not like radio in that way
when you talk about building you know, the team around,
you're not not coming from radio and and not having
folks listen to podcasts. It's just it makes me think
about how this is still the wild West, and and
there's and I tell people all the time that we've
only scratched maybe the not even the surface of like
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what kind of podcasts that people can do now with
the Natural Podcast Network, I know a lot of the
plan is to is to bring podcasts to to to
the people, you know, to make it you know, not
this you know ethereal world of NPR guys, uh, you
know doing podcasts. How how important do you think that
is as far as reaching new audiences And do you
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think radio has an opportunity to really do that. I
think I'm lucky because I have a huge platform to
promote a different platform, and I've been able to do
that with you know, my stand up or with music
or or whatever else. And now I've found that I
can use it to promote podcasting, which is similar well
so but you know, so a stand up comedy, so
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it is a similar thing. But most people, most people
aren't habitually podcasting, and so especially that listened to my format,
and so I can say, hey, listen, is that easy?
Like it's for free. All you have to do is subscribe,
and I have a whole new audience. And that's why
we developed a Nashville podcast network is because I saw
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just kind of a need for content and people being
hungry for this content that I didn't think we're going
to reach a wide audience and it did, and I
started to go, Wow, people will listen to songwriters. What
about if a songwriter did a podcast? Well, what if
you know, Uh, it just feels like, like you said,
a very stuffy room right now where everyone is too
cool for school that's doing one because all the big
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ones are you know, the the cool. You know, they're
very gonna be hi to even understand the technology, which
really isn't the case. So we know that it's more
inside of it. But it's teaching the audience that it's
just one too. And you have all this content on
your phone. You're probably listening to the radio show on
your phone anyway, so it's just as easy, and it's
on demand. I want to go back to you know,
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you've launched it that where you do a lot of stuff.
You're an author. I just watched your Ted Talk and
I just want to tell you how much I appreciated
that because I always tell the story I teach your
university and I tell students this story that the first
time I was on the air, and and the and
the Ted Talk is is all about winning by losing
and if you haven't, please go watch it. My first
day on the air, I was sixteen years old at
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a small AM station in West Virginia and I had
to put a needle on an album that played the
sounds of Snatra at six am on on Sunday mornings,
and I had to do the weather. And the first
day I was on the air, the guy that owned
the station was in the studio with me, and or
he was in the other room. And I put the
needle on. It's scratched, and I yelled, shipped into the
mike three times, and he comes in and he turns
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the mic off and he picks up the need only
puts it on the thing and he just looked at
me and he said, you're never going to do that again,
are you? I said nope, and he walked out. And
that was that man. And it was just that idea
of like, hey, you're gonna you're gonna screw up, You're
gonna yell shoot into the mike three times. So, you know,
I think that a lot of people don't realize that
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when they hear somebody and they see you, you know,
look at Bobby's doing all these things that that didn't
just happen overnight. You know that that that takes a
lot of mistakes to get to the point where you're at.
That's funny, man. First of all, that's the hilarious story,
and I can relate like so hard. Yeah, you know
for me, there was a guy wrote an article like
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three months ago. It was like, yeah, boyebones, he doesn't
know the difference being born on third base and hitting
a triple. He was born on third base. And I
was like, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I had. Let's yeah, I was seventeen, I had no
connections with radio. I begged for a job in Hot Springs,
freaking Arkansas, and I was hired to clean the lobby,
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clean the lobby. That turned into people getting fired. I
got to do weekend nights as I was going to
school full time. I started doing nights as I'm working
two jobs and going to school. Moved towards every single job,
but had has been a small move to the other.
I started my syndication company with my own money, and
I was making fifty grand a year and was probably
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putting twenty two of it back into using this technology
at the time that wasn't being used in that capacity,
which was comrades, and someone had the balls and the
nerve to tell me I was born on third base.
But then, as usual, I try to always look at
it from a different like Charletmagne, the guys are my
best friends, and he's always like, hey, before you get
angry at somebody's perspective, try to put yourself in their shoes.
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And so I did that, and I started to see
that when someone assigns you some sort of success that
was given to you, it means one you're actually successful,
because I think our natural instinct is to be a
hater on anybody. I mean, we just want to hate
on people that we think don't deserve to be there,
regardless if they've done the work or not. So natural
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human instinct. On the same way, you're the same way,
regardless if it actually comes to fruition. We all have
hater and instinct in this and we're like, oh, I
should be there or not down. So, first of all,
after realize that that's coming from that direction, and then
second of all, I can see very much so how
it looks like I was just planted in Nashville and
I have a hundred affiliates. That's not the case. But
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we've been very vocal about the successes of the show.
I mean I started. I think I had thirty affiliates
when we started, and that was pretty much what I
had a pop whenever I switched over. But again, all
the failures, we didn't ye all the failures. We didn't scream, hey,
look at all these stations that dropped the show, or
the places that we've had ratings trouble or look at
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We said, hey, look at all the successes. And that
wasn't my Ted talks about too, is like everybody that's
sup we're successful has felt so many more times than
you would ever know, because the successes are what everyone sees.
There are the one there's the things that have screamed.
So you know, he said that, and I was very
irritated about the article until I took my friends advice.
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It was like, look at it from his perspective, and
so I do that now. In that one instance, I
remember it like vividly of being so irritated by it.
But I've also grown as a person because of it,
and I failed a lot. I gotta find a million
dollars by the sec so, and the company kept me,
you know, and that wasn't mentioned There's It was the
most difficult eighteen months when I moved to Nashville. We sucked.
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The show did not fit, the format, did not embrace us.
The artists were scared of us, the listeners didn't want
any part of it because we were replacing local morning
shows in twenty five cities like it was miserable for
eighteen months, and for us to shift an audience even
give us a chance, I don't know many people that
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could have taken that beating unless they were You used
to take a beating, and I'm used to take a beating, well,
you know, to to like circle back around. One of
this is why I was so nervous to interview you,
was because we have very similar backgrounds. I started same thing,
small market. I walked in and said, hey, I'll clean
the floors. Whatever you want, I'll do that, and then
they ended up letting me run aboard, and then somebody
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got sick, and then I became a DJ. Same thing,
put my way through college working on the air. Except
for your first contract was a little more than mine.
I was making fourteen grand a year when I started
doing some time. To be fair, I was, I didn't
have a contract until I was in my until I
was like twenty two. So I think we both worked
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in my way for a long time before we got
any sort of documentation that we just did on the radio.
That's right, And you know, just that whole idea of
working from market to market to market. And one thing
I read about you that I didn't know other people
did was I used to pay all my bills way
ahead of time because I was I'm still like this.
I still think this is my last job and I'm
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not gonna have any money and I'm gonna be poor again.
Does that still run through your head at all? I
know I've read in Forbes that that you did that
you paid all your bills ahead of time too. Oh yeah,
I just don't expect this to last much longer ever,
And so I know, well, listen, you can't. It's like
there's a difference in a poor person with money and
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a rich person. And I feel like, regardless of if
I have no money or have money, I'll be a
poor person either with money or without. And it's just
how we're wired. Like I grew up and you know,
I'm pretty good at being poor because that's what I
had to do forever. I'm I'm a good survivor, and
I I've survived everywhere I've been. I haven't. I don't
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thrive till way later. I've survived everywhere I've been. I
wish that it was just easy, just one thing. I
wish one would be easy, but I take on tasks
that are often bigger than me. So I survived through
the early part, and then right about the time when
it starts to get good, I go, h what if
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I can try this? And so I kind of set
myself up for all this punishment. But you know that's
how we're wired. The we're the same. You grow up away,
you can change. You can take me out of Arkansas,
but you can't take the Arkansas to me. So you
know that that's just how it is, you know. I
you said that, you know you wish that, you know
you could have things easier, But I don't think so.
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And my wife pointed that out to me the other
day because I was I was just I was sitting
I was just saying how I wish I could enjoy downtime,
and I'm really just not good with it. I I
always feel like I'm not doing enough, that there's something
I should be doing instead of watching gold Rush on
on Discovery Channel. So I mean, do you think you
really would like it if it was easier? Do you
you thrive off of this? Well? I would at this point,
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I would like for something to be easy. I would
like to get So do you how many freaking TV
pilots that have been green lit that haven't picked up
that I've done? I mean on a major level, four
or five for studios and major money on a pilot
and either it hasn't been picked up, or it gets
picked up and something falls through, or the leadership changers
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at the network like at this especially with TV like
that has been the the biggest thing to conquer for
me is because I've had networks to commit for a
year at a time and on big projects, and something
has happened every single time. I think I'm over five
on pilots. I've done one for three of the major
four networks and then one for c MT, two for CMT,
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and something has happened every time. So especially I have
to look at, well, what's the common denominator? It's me?
So how can I change what is sucking? In all
of these. So uh, I would like for something. But again,
I guess I'm the one that's affecting at all because
I can't get it to work. I like for one
of those to work. At my point, it's one of them,
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I say, just one of them to work. So I
I guess if it came too easy, I would probably go, well,
is this is really even worth it? There's probably that
backhand mentality of if it came easy. It's like Gratcha
Warks used to say, I don't want to be a
member of any club that would have me. So I
wonder if it came easy, if I would go like,
wait that was too easy? Is this even worth being here?
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Or is this for real? So maybe it's some sick, twisted,
you know we need to be punished mentality that we
must have. But I would like to get one of
these stupid TV shows to work, and mark my word,
I got two right now. They're in the work too.
If they both fail, I'm done, I'm out no more TV.
I quit. Well, So I feel about about about this
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podcast right now. Or we're about six seven episodes in
and I'm just sitting here going God, when is this
going to catch on, you know what, never forever. And
it took me fifty five episodes of the Bobby Cast.
I mean, for I don't even gets sider a podcast
real in my mind less has a hundred episodes. Now,
what sucks about my podcast is during hour long, So
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that's a lot of material. Because a podcast, to me,
it's about commitment to consistency. But it's not just about
doing dynamic shows every single time, like you needed to
tell people what they're gonna get and when they're gonna
get it, and then do it. And that's been my
story for every single thing I've ever done, but especially
in podcasting. Everybody does three podcasts of four podcasts and
players out that's every That's pretty much everyone. Everybody had one.
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We've done one here, very inconsistent. But to do something
consistent is the hardest thing. To show up on time
all the time is the one thing that successful people
always have in common. So I treat my podcast the
same way. It's be consistent. And so we'd around a
hundred right now, we're we're getting close to a hundred,
and so we're about to be a real thing. In
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my mind, when we hit a hundred, that's a real podcast.
But until podcast fifty five and fifty seven and we're
just talking about over fifty hours of content, din't nobody
really listen. Nobody cared that much. But once they did
and it started organically being shared, it was like boom.
But it took a long time, a lot of patients
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and just showing up doing it over and over again.
I think that anybody that's gonna be on your podcast
network should listen to that and know that they've got
somebody supporting them, because in our business it feels like
hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up with a
lot of stuff. So I think, you know, that's good
and refreshing to hear, because it doesn't work like that
in podcasting, just like you said, it doesn't work like
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that really in anything. And then when you do see it,
you go, oh, well, they had it easy. But then
you realize there were about seven other layers before that.
I mean, it's just all smoke in mirrors. Even with again,
someone looking at my radio shows going wow, I look
at this guy, he was good. I was giving anything. Man.
I had to build my own syndication company with my
own money and then go I would like to sell
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all of it and risk everything to change format. And
if you just look at it from afar ago, this
guy was given everything. You weren't give anything. I wasn't
given anything. But again then I have to go and
look at myself and go, who do I do that too?
Because I know for sure if people are doing that
to me, I'm looking at somebody else going now, they
were just given that. So it makes me look at
myself in the mirror and go, stop doing that, you
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big douche And so it's been a big reflector for
me to be able to go, don't be a douchebag,
and people like there being a douchebag to you, and
so it's it's it's troubling, it's awesome, it's I tell
the people that are coming on the network, do not
expect for ten thousand, seventy thousand, or one million people
to hear this for the first twenty hours that you're
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putting into it, because this is a land of foundation
right now, and you're not gonna be good at it
first either. You're actually gonna be quite bad. And if
you can't do ten shows and go back and listen
to a show ten shows ago and go man, I
wasn't good, then you're not getting better fast enough. You
should be able to be embarrassed of what you did
ten shows ago because you've moved so far ahead. Well,
I'm gonna play this for all my talent here who
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I'm I'm starting a podcast with because they're we're getting
a lot of that. Uh, I've done twenty I'm not.
You know they either it stops being every week and
then you know, it's it's just a keeping people consistent.
It's it's really hard. It's it's a lot of people
don't want to do it. They don't want to do it,
and they won't do it eventually. But again, I have
a show that five million people listened to a week
and I did I didn't done over fifty and nobody
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was listening. So that's the nature of the podcast, Like
you're you're growing them one at a time. You're growing
these people that listen one at a time. And but
that the awesome this is if they're listening to your podcast,
they are passionate about what they're listening to. So if
you can get them, you have them, just continue to
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feed them. It's like a straight puppy. People are like
I'm a straight puppy. I wander around looking for food
tobody to feed me. And when I find that door
that's open or they're giving me food, I go back
to that door because they just fed me. And we're
all straight puppies looking for something to entertain us in
this content driven world where they're a thousand different things
coming at us in all different directions. We're all straight puppies.
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Just see the stilly puppy, because they're not. They're walking around.
You gotta find them and keep feeding them, all right,
straight poppy. Before we get out of here, I wanted
to I do a very radio a segment at the
end here called three Killer Questions. I'm gonna ask your
three questions and I want to see what your sponsees
in the first one, Bobby Bones, is if there's anyone
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in history living dead that you can hear do a podcast?
Who would you like to hear anyone in history do
a podcast? And I get to pick the subject. Yeah, yeah,
this is all you. You're the producer. Whatever you want,
more more difficult than than it probably should be. I
could just give an answer. I guess um, you know, man,
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when I look at like I would love to hear
Andy Kaufman really talk as a human being and not
as one of the characters that he may or may
not have been playing. Like I would love to hear
a Andy Kaufman talks as Andy Kaufman podcast. And he
told me about all of the everything behind all of
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the bits that he did, all of these ideas and
the stunt, and that's what I was. Andy kaufment to
me is one of the more revolutionary comedic figures, because man,
he would take a joke and just beat it to
death where it wasn't funny, and then keep beating it
till it became funny again. And they'll be able to
sit in that spot right where it's like, oh, people
don't like it, and just sit and know that they're
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gonna come back around or they're not. That to me
is vulnerable and brilliant, and that's what I would want.
Did you watch the Jim Carey documentaries on Netflix right
now about the win Man on the Moon? Yes? I
watched it. Loved it. I mean, I I just feel
like those are kindred spirits man for me, Like I'm
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nuts too. I just watched it Saturday, and I meant
to watch like I was gonna watch a little bit
of it and then go to bed, and I stayed
up till one in the morning. It was so fascinating,
such a such a good watch. It's called Jim and
Andy and I'm gonna tell you if I worked in
that Man on the Moon set with Jim, say, is
all that crap? I don't want nuts to like I've
been so pissed at him, but I mean, like I
get I I don't understand why he's like he is,
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but I get feeling different than everybody. And that's when
I watched that. The document is fascinating anyway, because I
love any comman. I love Man on the Moon, and
I like Jim Carrey because of he just lowers his
head and goes into things, and so I admire anyone
that can do that. But the documentary is fantastic, and
I'll watched another one on Hulu. It was called Too
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Funny to Fail with Danna Carvey and uh where it was.
It's about that show and how Steve Carrell was on
it and Stephen Colbert was on it, and you know,
this show had everybody that ended up being fantastic, but
it bombed and it's a it's a really great documentary too.
If we love comedy, man, we're we are in the
glory days of of of network content as far as
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with Netflix and Hulu. But I just real quick on
the sign up with that Jim Carrey you know he
did that, you know working in radio. We all got
that clip when he was being uh at fashion can
and he was saying, oh, none of this is real
and and people were like, oh, Jim Carrey has gone crazy. Well,
I haven't watched that documentary. I'm like, no, now, he's right,
none of this is real. And I really I feel
like I understand Jim Carrey a lot more from watching
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that documentary. Yeah. Is he's so right that he's crazy?
That's the question. Like it because we found that the
craziest people throughout history were the ones that we're We're
right a lot of times. I mean, just think about
I mean Galileo. I mean we can go to someone
who's just we go, oh, yes, of course, great astronomer
who the dude was told he was absolutely nuts, And
(33:35):
so throughout times it's taken to people with the really
crazy ideas. Two, what was the Bill Gates do with
Steve Jobs? Let's say it takes someone just crazy and
so crazy to think they can change the world to
actually change the world, and so Jim Carrey is nuts,
but those are the people that actually had at making
things happen, and people who are so nuts that they
(33:57):
believe in themselves. So yeah, now we're on a whole
different thing where we could spend an hour on it.
But yes, question number two, what was the one piece
of technology you know in your life that you you
got and realized this is going to change my life?
I mean the easy answers radio, But I'm gonna not
say radio. I'm gonna say, ah, probably whenever, my whenever
(34:22):
I could take my radio show and put it over
the internet. And so I guess it would be whenever,
because we started streaming our show and making it a
priority before it was fashionable only because not because I
was some suits there, but only because I was young
and in radio, and that gave me a huge advantage
because I was actually living the life of other twenty
three year olds and I wasn't fifty having to adapt,
(34:44):
which I always hope that i'm not, because I mean
now in my thirties, and I'm hoping I'm not having
to adapt to something and it's not quite fitting, and
you know, you don't want to lose your your feet
into the ground. But I would say the media Player
was a huge deal to me because people could hear
my show on the internet and we made it a
huge priority. And like two thousand and four, whenever, in
(35:07):
two thousand and five, whenever, it really wasn't shows weren't
doing that. So I'm gonna say the media player and
what was the last podcast you binged? Um that I so,
I don't I won't beinge a podcast. I will listen
to them episode only that's even a word, because I
have something I like. Um, I like the the the
(35:28):
NPR where they tell you how things came about. I
just listen to the one one with Southwest Carolines or
they tell you how how things are created. I listen
to the one UM where they talked about al Alba
and the chipmunks. But that's a good I know MPR
is like a big rival of ours, I guess, but whatever, um.
But yeah, so that's probably the one that when people
would go, hey, what podcast should I listen to? That's
(35:49):
when I send them to because you don't have to
listen to all of them. You can scroll them and
you don't have to feel like you have to binge.
You can find something to interest you, just like my
Bobby cast. Like you can find a writer and artist
and interests you and listen to it and you don't
have to listen to the next episode or one seven away.
You can find someone else that interests you. And so, um,
how that that's probably the one that I listened to latest, Um,
(36:13):
I listen. I listened to Ricky Gervais. His um, Ricky
gervaisis uh deadly serious or everyone on serious? Because I
love Ricky Gervais, like Ricky Gerbay's, Adam Krola and Chris
Rock can me the funniest living individuals. And so I
listened to that one. And again I have all the
technology and sometimes the company gets mad at me if
(36:34):
you're talking about other things, but then I'm just ignorant
if I'm not talking about other things like I those
are the probably too I listened to last. And this
is a bonus question that I asked. That is a
stupid question. But if you were a sandwich personified, not
not your favorite sandwich, but if there was a Bobby
Bones sandwich that the encompassed you, what would it be?
It would probably a freeing white bread bologney sandwich was
(36:55):
just mustard because there's not a lot to it, but
they are very effective, and I think that there's not
a lot to me. I'm not the smartest, I'm not
the funniest, I'm not to anything nest, but just give
me a bed of time and I'll make it work.
And so I'm a freaking bologna sandwich, hard working, I'll
(37:17):
fail you up. Not a lot of fanishiness to it,
and I'm gonna show up every day. So probably a
blondie sandwich. That's great, Bobby, Uh, this is great. I
really appreciate you spending some time with me. Hey, thanks
for thanks for having me and uh, good luck with everyone.
And you know you're you're doing You're doing God's work,
(37:38):
my friend. All right. For those of you who are
listening to the podcast for the first time, this is
the part of the show where my producer Z comes
in and we talked about some podcasts that you should
be listening to and and Z goes out and finds
him and and and tells me about them. But first
(37:59):
I have to add aske, do you think Uh, you know,
I listened back to the interview. I'll just put the
cards on the table. We listened to, you know, we
do the we do the interview, and then we do
this part a little bit later on. I loved that
interview with Bobby. Yeah, I feel like he just had
so much good advice and he's such an open book
and so willing to say anything or everything. He doesn't
feel like he needs to hold back, and I thought
(38:21):
that makes for a good interview. I'm always nervous when
there's somebody I want to tell, like like, I feel
like I'm just like you and I have so much
in common, and I just it's just like and I
listened back and I'm like, oh god, I'm kind of
gushy and stuff. But I didn't touch it people from you,
So I hope you all liked it. Today we're gonna
talk about some podcasts based on radio shows. So Bobby
(38:41):
was saying that, you know, and this is a big
thing that I believe that if you're doing a radio
show and you're just doing your radio show, you're doing
yourself a disservice. You should be doing a podcast as well.
And these are podcast that come out of radio shows.
So who do you have for us? Well, the first
one is out of the Nashville Podcast Network, which is
(39:03):
Bobby's Network, and it is Whiskey Riff Raff and it's
just two guys named Stephen West and they just are
super unfiltered, uncensored about different topics about country music and
what it's like living in Nashville. And it's not something
I can necessarily relate to because I don't live there,
but just listening to them is and the topics they
(39:24):
range cover everything else and they're just funny guys. All
right's check it out. There's a kid in Ohio at
Ohio State that's using my photos to act like me
under under the name Jack I'm Bumble. And then and
this girl was like, hey, that's whiskey riff type of
stuff and he's like, oh, I'm not sure what it is.
It's just my brother's hat I borrowed. And she's like, no,
(39:46):
that's not you. And she sent me like the conversation
and reported him and I was like, tell her, tell me,
I got the FBI on it. It's a freak amount post.
It just really it's really bizarre. Whiskey Riff Raff. I
like the name too. It could be the name of
my family reunions in West Virginia. Actually, we prefer blue
stuff and Hillbillies. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm that's my people. Yeah,
(40:10):
I don't know anything about You don't want to know anything. Yeah,
holler folks. All right, So I know the next two.
If you're a Bobby fan, you probably don't know about
these shows, and these might not even be something that
you would listen to, but I think it's I listened
to everything, so I like to hear about shows from
(40:31):
all kinds of genres. So let's start with the first one.
So the first one is Elvis Durant presents the Fifteen
Minute Morning Show. And Elvis Durant is obviously a legend
and I love listening to his on demand podcast after
on his show, but this was one that I found
and it's everything they don't get to on the radio
show that they put into a podcast. And the team
(40:52):
is just so funny, like you know that they get
along and they all have good banter, and they're really
witty and quick, and I just like listen to them
and short, so it's just like a quick fifteen minutes.
It's always fifteen minutes and it's easy. All right, let's
check it out. But it's true. I thought I thought
I had expensive stools. I guess I didn't. I don't
want to hear about your stools. But are they made
(41:13):
by Nerve? Oh my god, Okay, get this. The chair
is made of the Nerve material. Elvis Duran, I wish that.
I I wish I had about a hundreds of the
cloud he has in in this company of My Heart Radio. Yeah,
he's here. Everybody loves him. Oh my god, Elvis, Elvis, Elvis, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.
(41:34):
You just wanted to be Maddie, Mattie, Maddie. I don't
even want that. I would just like it to be
like like that. I whisper, beay soon, soon, it'll happen.
And our last one is actually from my Heart Media,
San Francisco, and it is with Big Vaughan from Camel.
He has a podcast called The v Entourage and he
(41:56):
describes it as your daily dose of dumb ship. Yeah,
it's just I wish people could be in the studio
when he's recording it, because I've been in there a
few times and we'll just be talking about something. He'll
be like, hey, let's put it on the podcast and
the topics, I mean, they can get Yeah, this is
not for the faint of heart. If it is not,
(42:20):
it's not safe for work. The intro says it don't
say work or anywhere somebody else might listen. Um, so
hopefully you picked out a clip that's not so so bad. Yeah,
I mean I tried my best company that you have
(42:40):
it a world fromier. You only get right here in
the venturage, the brand new det hose, but it cast
me on side girl trash. But nowadays I can't just
really say that because next thing, you know, your mother
would be so stupid that people just start singing it
and next thing you know, yad and made her a millionaire.
Now full disclosure. When I got to my Heart Radio
San Francisco, I met Big Vaughan and I immediately said,
(43:05):
you have to do a podcast. And he was the
first podcast I launched when I got here. He's a
walking podcast. Yeah, he always has something interesting to say.
I mean he is. Yeah, he is just a podcast.
I hope, I hope people check that out. It's it's
definitely one of my favorite podcasts. All right, good job
and welcome if you're a new listener, we really appreciate
you coming in and checking out the show. Go back
(43:26):
and listen to some past episodes. We had uh Phoebe
judge on from Criminal which is she That's one of
my favorites. Um the first episode with Seth Lynn from
This American Life, the folks from Mission to Zix. Now,
that's a good one. There's all kinds of footballers, all magical.
Coming up in the new year, we'll have a new
season featuring comedian Felipe. I didn't interview with him, and
(43:50):
we went on for an hour and then we we
stopped and then we started talking again and we got
another twenty minutes. So I might have split that one up.
But I had a great time with him. But if
you like more about the show, you can check us
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Access podcast one. We need some followers, get on there
and follow us. Also, if you're listening to us on iTunes,
(44:12):
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