January 25, 2018 • 39 mins
This week we got a radio fairytale for you! Matty talks to Carla Marie and Anthony, from Seattle's POWER 93.9 and their podcast My Day Friday! They talk about how they got their start in radio with Elvis Duran, following their dreams to Seattle to host their own morning show, and find out who they would want to hear a podcast from living or dead in our 3 Killer Questions round!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hazy. Hi, Maddie, we are about to hear a radio
fairy tale. Carla Marine and Anthony started with a podcast
and now they have a morning show in Seattle, Washington
and are on an upward trend. They're superstars. They're amazing.
They were fun to talk to you. They're fun to
talk to you and good looking kids. Check out their podcast.
(00:25):
Right here, we were talking about Cardi B and how um,
why can't think your name of the song for us? No? Oh,
make money moves? Did you want me just to do that? No? Well,
you were complaining that the DJ on New Year's Eve
played it like four times in a row, six times
(00:47):
in a row, and you were saying you were kind
of you didn't think that it should have been played
that many times. No, no, no song. My argument though,
is when we let's fast forward like fifteen years. Okay,
I'm gonna be when when you're forty five, Carl Marie Bodak,
(01:10):
Yellow will be treated the same way that like a
Juicy by Biggie is treated now. So a couple of
weeks ago, I was a guest on Paul mccuri's podcast,
and the whole time I felt super naked because I'm
used to being the one asking the questions. So my
first question to you, Carl Marine and Anthony's do you
feel naked? Yeah, a little bit. We actually are naked.
(01:33):
I'll don't be that radio guy. Come on now, No,
it's you know, it's actually a little bit of a relief. Yeah,
it's true because we don't have to worry about what
we have to say next. You have to worry about
that part. Yeah, you don't have to do the prep
and and and all that stuff. No, we literally just
sat down and said, okay, we'll talk to her. So
I want to talk about your your career. You're you're, you're,
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you're living the dream in the radio world. A lot
of us had to start in shitty, small market radio
and do years of that and then maybe make it.
It took me like ten years to go from West
Virginia to New York City in mornings. Um, you guys
got your start in New York City doing warnings. But
I want to talk about first what led you to radio?
Why why radio? In this this this crazy young world video,
(02:20):
Why why radio was something that you're interested in? Well,
for me, it started really young, like driving to elementary school.
I would listen to Elvis Duran in the morning show
on Z one, and as a kid I wanted to
do radio is the only thing Radio and TV really
were the only things that interested me. So by the
time I got to college, that's the path I followed.
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Worked at the radio station at Rutgers University and then
started interning four Elvis Duran in the morning show and
everyone at one hundred. So it was kind of wild
for me going from there the reason I got into this,
to working with them to then being hired by them.
So if I hadn't listened to them every morning, I
don't know that I would have even been interested in
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radio at all, because they have this crazy way of
making you fall in love with them. How about you, Anthony.
So I actually was originally going to college to be
an athletic training. A trainer came and talk right now,
and I kind of hated all the classes I was in.
But at the same time I was doing this like
commercial modeling acting thing that was kind of cool. By
the way, both of you are way too good looking
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to be in radio. Thank you, Thank you very much. Proceed.
So I was doing that and decided to switch to
my major to TV. And radio broadcasting because luckily in
my school had both programs there and you went to
Seaton Hall. Correct. Oh, you guys weren't like the other
Jersey kids that came down to West Virginia with me. No,
my niece is there now. Actually though, is she drunk yet?
(03:47):
She's been drunk for the last three years, so yeah,
she will be. Yeah. We we get everybody from New
Jersey down at West Virginia. Anyway, I did grasp go ahead, sir. No.
So so I switched to Majors. And originally I switched
because I thought I was into the whole TV thing.
And then my first professor was Bartell, who's on at KTU,
and um, I kind of just fell in love with radio.
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I went to the studio one day just to kind
of observe. I love the connection that everyone had with
their teams and then the connection with the audience and stuff.
So I just got into promotions and kept kind of
bouncing around until I found my group. You know, I
teach at university and and if one thing I've seen
with a lot of my students, they don't know they
want to do radio until they get that little first
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taste of it. No, It's true, it really is. It's
you have no idea that it's an actual real life job.
Like no one really thinks about it like that, especially anymore.
And now when we have well sometimes we have college
kids come in here and or high school kids and
they'll say, well, I want to do this now, It's like, well, yeah,
you've been listening to it every day for how long
you haven't made that connection. So you're part of a
(04:53):
generation that you know didn't spend all of its time
with radio. You you have many other dis fractions. What
do you think makes radio stand out to somebody who
who doesn't thinking about it? So who doesn't think about ready,
why do those students say that? Do you think? You know?
I think and maybe I'm maybe I'm drinking the cool
a little bit um. But we always have these uh
(05:14):
calls with Bob Pittman, who is our CEO obviously, and
he always brings up the difference between being part of
the community and then just listening to your music library.
And I think the reason people still gravitate to morning
radio specifically is you're part of something. You know, You're
on your crappy community to work wherever you're going. Probably
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stuck in traffic, but you know that you're doing it
with a bunch of other people, and you're having conversations.
Even if you're not calling in or texting in, you're
still probably responding to the people talking on the air.
And I think that connection is what still brings people in. Yeah,
I I agree with that. But also you have these
kids come in who from their mind they've heard of
jobs and careers and all kinds of things like that,
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and then they sit in a radio studio and they
see us interact and laugh and to callers and have fun,
and they realized, Wow, this is a fun job. I
can literally do what I'm doing with my friends every
day and get paid for it. Now, obviously we all
know there's way more to it than that, but seeing that,
seeing how fun it is, I think it's kind of
cool knowing that you can grow up and have a
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job where you can actually have fun and not have
to crunch numbers all day. I want to talk about
podcasting and radio because you guys, you know your story
is you work together behind the scenes for Elvis Durant.
At one point, did you two meet and did you decide, hey,
let's try to put together a podcast. Well, there are
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two different stages. The first, I mean, Carl Marie, you
started with Elvis went well, I got hired into I
started being paid for my work in two thousand and ten.
So we met. We met really in early two thousand
and ten, and then we became friends. All of there
was a group of us that were all around the
same age, so we all would hang out together. I mean,
Anthony lived with two of the people that we worked with.
(07:00):
It was. It was a really cool little behind the
scenes community we had where yeah, we called ourselves the
B team. Our best friends were our coworkers. And then
in two thousand four teen, Oh my god, two thousand
and fourteen. Yeah, we were heading out on a ski
trip and just talking one day and the story is
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pretty crazy. We're listening to another morning show and realized
him we could be better than this actual morning show.
We we have pretty entertaining conversations, and Anthony said, let's
start a podcast, and we looked at it like it
was a real morning show. We sat down and made
a timeline for ourselves. We said, okay, we want to
have a meeting this day, Let's launch our podcast by
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x date, and let's get an email address, a website,
a logo, all of that. We didn't just sit down
one day and just start doing a podcast. We actually
planned it as if it was a real business, almost
like it was our business model. Are many little startup
and it happened within three months. Four months we started
our podcast and haven't stopped. You guys are making me
smile so much. I teach podcasting and their midterm is
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a power point presentation on their podcast before they even
get to do it. Because I teach everybody, and I
say this all the time. A podcast is a startup.
It is a startup and and you need to treat
it with with the same respect. And I think one
of the problems with radio has been in the past
is that radio folks don't treat podcasting like they would
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any other show. They don't put the time, effort and
money into it like you would a morning show. And
it's a goddamn talk show. It is a talk show
when it's done right right. Even when we're taking the
stuff that we do on air and putting it in
podcast form is like an on demand show. Um, we're
in the process of creating all new imaging for that,
so it sounds good as a standalone podcast, not just
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chopped up parts of a morning show. Um, and I
think it is really important to treat it as such
because you know, you know, you never know when people
are going to get your content, when people are gonna
hear your voices, so you want to make sure it's
presented the right way every single time. You're so right.
And and this is the one of the things that
I left radio ten years ago to help start Stitcher.
(09:08):
And the reason I came back to radio was that
I do see that this is the time for for
radio to get serious about podcasting. And and you know,
and that's the thing treating these on demand segments instead
of them being you know, these little thorough ways that
it's its own podcast, you can have these smaller mini podcasts.
And I just love to hear that that's how you
guys are thinking about things. Oh wow, I'm so happy
for you guys, And jump in real quick, because one
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of the reasons we also started it was, oh yeah,
we definitely wanted to have a show at some point,
and we knew that, you know, working with Elvis was
the biggest blessing we could have had to start our
on air radio careers. But at the same time, there
are fifteen other people on that show, so trying to
get any sort of extended amount of air time is
a little difficult, especially when you're the low guys on
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the totem pole. So that was our way to just
practice talking for an extended period of time, rather than
just coming in saying three words and of as a
show and then walking out of the studio like, we
will adjust this as this could be our big break,
so we need to put as much work into it
as possible. And nothing drives the two of us more
crazy than when we see people younger than us be like, oh,
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they got a morning from their podcast, let's just do
a podcast, and then you throw it together and it's crap,
and then everyone's mad, why don't they have a morning show?
They have no idea the amount of work and hours
extra on top of our regular job that we put
into that many little podcast we did once a week.
You know the thing that one of the things about
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radio that that's that's gone away is the farm system.
You know, I started when I was sixteen, and you
can't do that now. You can't be a sixteen year
only get a job at a radio station. It's just
not gonna happen. There's just not that many jobs out there.
And I think the podcasting is exactly what you guys
made it. It's the farm system. This is a great
way to hone your talent. But you learned you were
taking all the things that you learned from this morning
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show and then putting them into the podcast, and I
think that that's that's also very what a couple of
things that you learned from watching Elvis and his production
team that you know, we're like as soon as when
you start your podcast is like, yes, we gotta do this,
we gotta do that, we gotta do this. We tried.
I mean, Elvis the show by no means is um
scripted or really has any formula that it ever follows.
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But we knew prep went into it and there was
some sort of a log that they would have, an
idea that they would follow every day, and there were
reoccurring bits. So we said, okay, what prep do we
need to do? Like we did actual prep. We would
find stories and then the bits started to come. We
would do little things and repeat them every week, and
we engaged with people, and that was the biggest thing.
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I think for us. As the person who answered the
phones for Elvis and that was his lifeline. I knew
that the calls that went through every day were important
for him and that's what my job was. So when
it came to the podcast, we couldn't do calls, so
we did our best to really hit social media and
um email as much as possible, so every week. Really
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now our podcast is evolved too. We're just almost taking
topics straight from email and straight from what people are
telling us about their lives and asking us and kind
of just talking about it on the air. So we
took the listener engagement and the somewhat of a formula
structure of a morning show and tried to put that
on a podcast. How long was it that you were
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doing the podcast before it started to really catch on?
Because I think a lot of another reason folks don't
do podcasting as they get discouraged it first and and
and I think it takes time. But did you guys
do it right away or was there you know this
building process? Um? No, there's there was definitely a building process.
Obviously through social media. We had Elvis's audience like the
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p ones if you will, that we're really supportive originally UM,
and then I want to say it was about eight
months into the podcast, someone emailed Elvis's show about our podcast,
basically telling like almost thinking that Elvis didn't know we
were doing a podcast, but he turned that into a
topic and when he brought it on the air, that
helped out a lot. And then we just um, a
lot of people will tag their friends and tell them
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to listen stuff like that. So it definitely built organically
with a good kickstart from Elvis's social following. Yeah, we
had Elvis, but there are so many podcasts out there
that don't have a national morning show that kick ass
and take off. So it does take time, just as
any radio station or any radio morning show or any
show really takes time. It's the same thing with podcasting.
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So at what point did this podcast become reality? As
far as your dream is doing a morning show? Because
Seattle is a big market and to have that be
where you're getting your first morning show, that's a big deal.
So there was somebody solid the talent and decided to
put you on there. How did that happen? So, because
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we have the whole iHeart family kind of that was
based in New York, people knew we were doing the podcast,
and almost really at this time, podcasting wasn't everywhere. Not
every one their mother at least had a podcast. Podcasts
weren't even really on our iHeart Radio app at the time.
Ten months into our podcast, we got our own channel,
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like we were just posting the audio to Elvis's website. Yeah,
but then, um, I guess what happened was really a
couple of people on the executive level had been um
emailed to listen to the podcast, and at the same
time they were looking at getting a new young morning
show in Seattle, and their theory was, let's get people
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had to actually know each other instead of, you know,
trying the whole arranged marriage, saying that most morning shows
go through. Let's get people who at least have chemistry,
because you can build on chemistry, you can't fake it.
And that's why they listen to the podcast, heard the chemistry,
and gave us an opportunity. It was about two and
a half years into it. I would say, yeah, that
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two years into it that happened and then to us,
one of the questions we first had when we talked
to them about moving to Seattle and accepting this job
was are we still allowed to do our podcasts because
we knew where we came from. We wanted this to
still be a part of our lives and still every
week we do it. So I made the move from
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I moved from Hoboken to San Francisco about fifteen years ago.
A lot of things are different on the West Coast.
What was your first first of all, the food. I
had to take a lot of adjustments because I got
you know, Jersey. I'm sorry, Jersey's got great food. What
when you first got to Seattle? Like, what was a
couple of the first things that that you guys noticed
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that We're like, oh my god, we are not in
Jersey anymore. You know. For me, it was for me
it was the time that people leave work. I feel
like when you're in a New York office people, I mean,
you have people that are just crazy about the work
schedule and maybe sacrifice a little bit of their home
time for that. Where I think the work life balance
out here um is a little more even on the
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West Coast. People actually people actually spend time to go
home and be with their families and not just lock
themselves in their office for hours day, which is great.
And all. But for two people who were used to
that drive, we're just like, where is everybody? We're the
morning Joe and we're here later than everyone else? What
is going on? That was a little frustrating at first,
I mean, and now it's frustrating, and it'll stay frustrating.
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Trust me, I'm I'm with you. But you know, I
never took a vacation til I moved to California because
I was like that radio nerd kid that lived at
the radio station, and that's that was. You know, come on, man, um, um,
how about just uh, you know, as far as you know,
like you know, living in Seattle, Um, what are some
things that you guys? You know, it took a little
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adjustment to get used to. Yeah, well, we have no
Italian food. So coming from an Italian family in New Jersey,
as you know, there's Italian restaurants everywhere and out here,
there really isn't any Italian food. So that was kind
of weird. And then when my parents visited, it was
stuff that take them places because that's all they eat.
But yeah, but food, I think I love the food
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out year, it's just there's definitely different cuisine. I think
I thought I should say that when I was in
New York, New Jersey, I thought that I was like
an outdoorsy type person, and I moved out here and
realized how really outdoorsy people could be. Um, and I
love it. I love like I've never really went on
hikes before, but I go on hikes now and stuff
like that, and just kind of that that culture that
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I was never really into because it doesn't really exist
in Manhattan or Hoboken, New Jersey City. There's no mountains there.
How was the adjustment for the audience when you got
to Seattle? You know, I've I've done my share of
moving to new markets and and you know, dealing with
being the new person in the market and people don't
love you right away. Um, how was that adjustment? And
and you know what's it discouraging at times when when
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you got to the got to Seattle. No, we were,
we were really looking. I think the only discouraging part
was being used to an audience like Elvis's national audience,
where you have eight million people listening every morning. Um,
so you never have to worry about the phones lighting
up or people texting or tweeting or whatever. Um. But
I think we were really lucky as well because when
they launched Power Here, they still had the old morning
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show host from Cube. They just moved Cube to a
different frequency. So when there were a few angry callers
that wanted to hear their their cubee, we just directed
them over to our sister station and they were like,
oh cool, thanks, yes, So we didn't get the really
bad backlash that some morning shows get. But with that said,
it is so tough to do a show when you
know there's cooks in the kitchen, you've got all kinds
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of people listening and telling you what you're doing within
the company, what you're doing wrong, and then knowing that actually,
no one really is listening to you right now, so
that it was kind of tough. That's what we felt
like that there was you know, we weren't getting that
feedback from listeners at the time, so we're like, who's
even listening? What, no one's there, it doesn't matter, it's
fine whatever. And then obviously about a year later, I
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think it started to really pick up. Was there one
or two things that you said on the air and
then we're later informed were like just completely wrong about
about Seattle area or you know, street names or things
like that. Well, I think what we were told originally
was the Seattle market doesn't interact as much as other
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markets with their morning shows. They just kind of sit
back and listen, which was true originally. And I think
there was an adjustment period and almost I like to
call it almost like a training period and like letting
people know how to use our morning show every morning.
That makes any sense, No, that makes perfect sense. And
I think I I understand that I had the same
kind of adjustment coming because New York is just everybody
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wants to be on radio New York. Everybody wants to
call you, everybody, everybody thinks they're great, and there are
a lot of great personalities in New York. That's why
callers are so great in New York. Um, And it
is different when you move out here. And I think
what I always told people originally, like in New York,
you don't have to ask people for their opinion. They're
going to tell you their opinion, whereas here there were
times where we would give out the number like four
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times in a break to like really enforced to the
fact that you can call in and be part of
this show. And then as people started hearing they're fellow
Seattle lites on the air, and then it started snowballing
a little bit, and now we haven't had I mean,
we haven't had an issue getting callers in a year
and a half. Almost. Yeah. It's funny because now we
almost take it for granted. We get all these calls
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and we kind of forget that there was a time
where we would solicit for a topic and then be like, so,
now what do we do. Let's call some friends. Yeah,
so that was kind of top in the beginning. But
as far as like saying roads and stuff like that,
I think we really both did our research and talents
because Seattle in the Washington area these names of names.
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I would put on the news every day and just
listen to the news anchors talk because I was like,
well they got to be saying all right, And that's
how I found out how to say everything. Dwin mornings
with anybody, um you really know all their idiosyncrasies and
things that uh can annoy you. In fact, you know,
my wife would get upset because I would come home
and call her by the name of Sarah, who was
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the show I worked worked on with. Do you guys
have little things that right now, I'm going to give
you the opportunity to tell the other one that they
do early in the morning that really bother you phil phrases.
This is a safe place, A safe place, okay, I'm thinking.
I mean, we definitely got into art like full arguments
at times, screaming matches. It's great, it feels good. But
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we also know how to because we've done it for
so long. We really know how to work with each other.
Um So it's tough, but we don't. I don't really
think that's something that I kept telling us. You have
to stop saying that or doing that. I don't know,
but that's the thing we'll tell each other, like, you
need to stop there was and there was something I
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was doing you yelled at me for two. We're pretty
direct with each other too, so we don't really let
things like boil over, which also scares the crap out
of everybody here. Um well, I think it's really important.
I've worked with morning shows that didn't talk to each other.
I worked at the morning show where the two hosts
would come in and not talk until they got on
the air. I mean, it's I think that that communication
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is super important. I think that because you said it
earlier that chemistry is what people are listening for, and
and and if you had that chemistry off the air,
then it then it shines on the air. Do you
spend time a lot of time together off the air still, Yeah,
for sure. I mean we definitely need our get the
Halloway from Me time, but yeah, absolutely we do. And
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we when we moved here together, we kind of developed
a lot of the same friends. So that's kind of
made it like now we have the same group of friends,
but we also both you know, I have my girlfriends
and he's got his jim Buddies or whatever. I don't
know what, but we do have our separate lives, which
is great. But we still and we have to still
spend that time together off the air because that is
what created this whole thing in the first place. So
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it's cool to have that and it come we come
in with stories and different things, but it's also good
to have stuff that the other person doesn't know about.
You have that real initial reaction on the air. If
you're going to give a tip for somebody who's working
behind the scene, consider radio show or just wants to
get into the business about starting uh their show, off
or how how to do it? What are a couple
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of things you would tell them plan it out, spend
some time listening to other podcasts things, and spend time
listening to podcasts that you don't like so that you
don't do those things. Um find out yet find out
as much as the things you want to do, the
things you'll never do, or the things that hate you hate,
or the things that sound awful, as much as the
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things you look and that you do. Another podcast as well,
work out Wednesday. How do you translate working out into
podcast form? Like? How how do you? How do you
do it? So that's something that I originally started as
a video series that I did on Elvis's show. That
was like the first time I really had a consistent
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thing on Elvis's show because I was like the youngest
one there, I was the most active one there. So
I did this bit where I would figure out a
different type of workout. So I mean I did everything
from spin classes, the boot camp classes too, then like
stripper pole dancing classes. There my whole theory there was
there's something out there for everyone to do, and that
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kind of became my brand. So what I did recently
when I kicked this off at the beginning of the year. Um,
it's not necessarily about specific workouts. It's more about like
tip fitness tips, diet tips, overall health and wellness tips
from different experts, um in different fields. So the first time,
the first episode was this woman, Autumn Calvaries, who's got
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hundreds of thousands of followers on Instagram. She's a beach
body coach and she just launched a new workout program.
So she kind of broke that down and told people
what it's about. And then it's just her tricks and
stuff that she does to day in shape. And then
I had someone who works for Dr Raz's show that
just helped develop a brand new diet, so I talked
to that person about food trends and diet tips and
stuff like that. So it's really more it's not just
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working out, it's a health and wellness thing. But the
name just stuck with workout Wednesday, so we're not doing
squats with just be grunting for like thirty five minutes. Well,
I think you both have really cool things you do
outside of radio and Carl Marie, you know, you write
articles and by the way, your Instagram following me a stupid,
um annoying right as we say, that's a mix of
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Elvis's help and having boobs. So you know, I'm really
glad that here here you say that the having boobs part,
because I'll have students to come in and you know,
I teach a lot of classes. One of classes I teaches,
you know, we talked a lot about social media, and
they're like, oh, I have like this many followers and
I look at their instagrams like every one of them
is just tits. It's like, okay, yeah, yeah, I love you,
but you don't really understand social media just because you
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And by the way, your Instagram is not that at all,
like like that is not you. You are. You have
a great Instagram with a variety of good pictures. But
you know what I'm saying, right, no, absolutely listen, trust me.
I'll know like this one's gonna get a lot of
likes because there's some cleave in the paint. Trust me,
I get it. We understand. But for me, I think
it's whatever I put out on the air real so
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why would I change that on Instagram? So my Instagram
is just honestly everyday things that happened, and yeah, once
in a while. You've got those those glamour shots or whatever.
But I just try to keep it as real as possible.
And that's what And that's the feedback I've gotten from
people too. It's like, you're so real, You're so normal.
I'm like, I mean good, because this is all you're getting.
There's nothing else. I think I'm gonna try and move
(26:25):
shot today. I got the man boobs. I might as
well use them for something. Alright, kiddos before we go
out of here. Um, I've got you know, you can't
take the radio out of the guy. I've got the
three killer questions. It's how we end every podcast. First
question for you guys. If you could listen to anybody
do a podcast living your dad? Whose podcast would you
(26:47):
want to listen to? God? God, that would be a
good podcast. It would be like, Hey, everybody, I know everything.
Actually I know. I I want to say this one,
but it's such a cliche girl things to say. Let's
say Marilyn Monroe, that girl's got stories. That's not I've
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never had anybody give that answer before, because you know,
I mean, I like, but she better keep it real
because I want to know all about JFK and Joe
DiMaggio and all those guys my producer and see a
shaking head. She would listen to that podcast. Good to know.
I think I just watched the Ric Flair documentary. The third,
I'm sorry, I can't not do that to um you.
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I feel like an old school wrestler would be cool
because they were always on the road, They're always doing
crazy things. I think that'd be a cool podcast to
listen to, especially if it was done like in the eighties,
like with those guys or The Rock, because I can
listen to anything The Rock does. The second question is
I'm gonna ask the I'm gonna ask that. I'm gonna
ask this question. I get yelled at for this question,
but I like this question. If you were a sandwich personified,
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what kind of sandwich would you be? Tailor him and
cheese because we don't have that here and I've really
want Tailler him and cheese. But how does that exemplify
your personality? Because you know what, Tiller Him is very rare.
There's not fun Teller him in the world. Not many
people know about Tiller Him, but when they meet Taylor Him,
they really like Taylor Him. That's me with cheese yeah,
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but you don't do it with egg. No, I don't
need egg. I'm great without egg. Raging psychopaths, are you? Yeah, exactly,
I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I don't need I
don't know eggs coming in here blowing up my spot.
I'm just Taylor Ham with cheese. How about you, Anthony, Um,
I would be you're a meatsuper I honestly, dude, just
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from our conversation and seeing and checking out, I would
I would probably say that's something very Jersey like that,
but go with the b lt Why because I think
it's it's got your bacon, so it has its little
bit of like manliness in there, but it's also got
listen tomato and I have some very feminine choices as well. Okay,
can I just say my my producers, her face is
(28:56):
in her hands looking down right now, laughing. I've never
heard and describe himself any better. Actually write a little
bit of bacan, a lot of lettuce. Uh. And finally, guys,
what's the last podcast that you binged? Um? I do
a lot. I do listen to a lot of morning
shows on demand. Um, but I think the last one
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I've binged actual podcast probably ump last actual pod. Crap,
what was it? It It was a history one? Oh is
it micro? I'll look it up. As So the last
podcast I actual actually binge from beginning to end was
s Town and that is just that's a whole another
(29:39):
world Thursdays where I'm just like the amount of research
and effort he puts into that is just mind blowing
to me. That's a whole another world of podcasting, which
is the whole. Cool part about podcasting is there's so
many but day to day, I just listened to other
I heart morning shows. I've listened to Anthony's podcast and
I think it was it the micro one. I really
like that. We just talked about that podcast last week
(30:02):
because well, Mike's I've known Mike a long time. He
used to be in San Francisco, and he's so good.
He's and he's that guy all the time. Yeah, And
I love I love his boys, and I love listening
to talk and the way he takes you through the
podcast and tells you a story about something you already
know but you don't realize that that's what that story
is about. It's incredible. The stuff you missed in history
(30:23):
class is one of them. And then radio Labs has
some good stuff too. Love Radio Lab. Love Radio Lab
so good with headphones on or in a long car trip. Yeah, exactly.
You guys are great, and I'm looking forward to uh
working and talking to you guys more in the future.
And I'm just you know, I'm just I'm impressed. I'm
so impressed by you guys and what you've done, um
so far in your career and and where you guys
(30:46):
will be going. And uh, one of these days people
will go back and say, oh, man, remember they were
just doing a podcast and radio show. You guys are great,
big future ahead of you. Well, thank you. I love
the I love the idea behind this podcast too. Yeah.
It's podcast about podcast basically, but it's I can talk
about this stuff all day, so I love it. Thank
you very much. Yeah, I we really appreciate it. It's
cool to be able to tell our story. And and
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you said you have a lot of students, hopefully that
they can learn that working your ass off pays off
eventually or at least a little bit eventually. But yeah,
it's been this has been a lot of fun. So
thank you very much. And I'm saying this with all sincerity.
This semester in the podcast production class. I will be
talking about you guys for sure, because it is no
this is the this is It's exactly what I preach.
(31:28):
You guys are doing it. So I'm proud of you.
I'm proud. Well, thank you. Let us know if you
need anything from us at all, and we hope to
me too soon. Okay, Hazy, Hi Maddie. So it's at
time of the show where we give you some podcast suggestions.
(31:48):
Z looks around, finds a few and we talked about them.
That was a fun interview. Yeah, they were. It was
also cool to have people like around my age on
the podcast. I really related to that. No, they're great
and and and I'll be honest with you when when
you booked it, I was like I didn't know who
I honestly, I didn't know them very well. I knew
that they had a morning show, and I was like, oh,
(32:09):
a couple of morning show people. Nothing against morning show people.
And then it was like, the more I learned about them,
I'm like, oh my god, this is such a great story.
And then I fell in love with them doing that interview. Yeah,
and it was they were so passionate about everything. They
talked about and it was really inspiring and like motivating
to think. Anybody, whatever age you listen to, it'll motivate you,
kick start your dream whatever it is. Yeah, they're great.
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I hope, I hope I stay friends with them. I
don't know if I'm cool enough, but you know, I
think you're there, guys, if you're listening, I do, I do,
heart you hear you. All Right, let's talk about some
podcasts that folks can check out on the I Heart
Radio app. All right, so the theme of this one
is radio people that have podcast Yeah, radio people people. Yeah,
(32:52):
radio people come down at you. All right, do you
want to raw? Um? So the first one is where Carla,
Marie and Anthony got their start. And so it's a
little shout out to Elvis Duran and his fifteen minute
morning show. And I like this because it's quick, it's fun.
They're super uncensored and unscripted and it's fun to listen
to and getting ready or whatever. Yeah, Elvis during his demand,
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let's check it out. And of course justin Timberlake, who
was was blond and very young at the time, and
the girls were going crazy and we had we had
waffles and French toast and pancakes and all breakfast for them.
And so at one point I said, uh, to Elvis,
I said, these girls are crazy. We could probably sell
the French toast that Justin had partially eaten on his
(33:34):
plate because they were going to go out and perform.
We could probably sell his French toast. And I was like, yeah,
we should. How can we do that? And Scotty said, well,
I have an eBay account, so I know there's a
slight chance that Elvis might be listening to this podcast
since his since his folks are on it. Carla Marine, Anthony,
if you are listening and you ever wanted to tweet
out about my podcast, that would be great. I appreciate
(33:55):
it to be a solid. Mr Dran, Mr Duran, Yeah,
we to I need to get him on. We need
to have Elvis on. Bobby came on, Elvis be in
the building. The come on that was terrible. That's radio
stuff for you right there. Yeah, it's a magic Monday,
come on at you god. Oh. I when I started
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in radio, I was sixteen years old and I was
a kid, and I worked at a classic rock station.
So I would literally like pretend to be older and
have a bigger voice, so I'd be on there. It's
about M ninety four classic rock voice. That's exactly how
I talked when I started off on the radio. It's
cute four, a little lead for the head. When people
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met you, did you have to put on that voice?
I didn't mean. It's not like you know, the radio
was different then, you know, you literally would go in
and do your show and not people had no idea
who you worked. There were no pictures, they didn't know.
And I had several DJs, you know, And then I
didn't do that for a long time. I started just
being like, screw it. I'm just that's not me. I'm
not going to do that. And I had a small
market programmer, our assistant program director. He listening to the
(35:01):
program director tell me, it's like your your voice isn't
big enough for the big markets. But you know you can.
You'll make it a radio as a programmer, but I
don't think you'll make it anywhere as a big, big voice.
So that's how it. That's how it used to be.
Not that way anymore at all. Yeah, not at all. Anyway.
Back to the show, all right, next one is someone
you mentioned it's Bobby Bones, the Body Bobby Man and
(35:25):
he Um. I love listen because he's so knowledgeable about
the artist that he talks to and really gets in there.
Especially my favorite one is his interview with John Mayer
and John Mayor was like blown away by him, just like,
oh wow, you asked these questions that I've never been
asked before. And that's the kind of interview here he is.
It's like not the most generic stuff. The best compliment
I've gotten about this show so far was from a
(35:47):
Bobby Bones fan who said that they thought our interview
styles were similar. Yeah, that's great, thank you so much
for that. I wish our numbers were similar. Hey remember fifty,
we're going for fifty. All right, Hey, let's pick it out.
Do you still practice at all? Like? Do you practice?
Very good question? Um, I think that I'm about to
practice and then I plug in and I'm like, no,
(36:10):
I'm so good. Bobby Man crush hashtag man crush every day.
Al Right. Next one, I am bringing it local to
San Francisco with Sana Ca my Girl Sana G d
c Lex Jones g BIZ. Right after their Sana G
(36:32):
Morning Live show, they get on the podcast and they're
super uncensored, super talk about anything, anything your heart can
think of. They talk about it and it's wonderful and
I feel like, absolutely, it's the first black superhero movie
of this magnitude ever really to be made. Were excited.
It's important to be excited and support it. And we
(36:54):
don't you know what I'm saying. Oh no, Chris Brown
over there talking about don't bootleg it. I know y'll
still are probably gonna do it because you gotta get
your dollars together and Disney getting all that money anyway,
So I mean, what are you worried about? Take care
of home. When I got to San Francisco got to
I hurt San Francisco. I was looking for, like, who's
going to be the first podcast? And Sanna was like
(37:16):
Sauna and she was the first podcast and now we
have twenty six. So she started the trend and she's
doing great. She is doing fantastic. It's a great show
even if you don't And we get a lot of
listeners who don't listen to them on the morning show
but just listen to the Sonic Cast. So and that's
the goal is to have these podcasts that live outside
of the radio stations. And maybe we'll inspire people to go, hey,
(37:37):
check out the radio stations and get some ratings for
for the for the regular program directors. I need my
digital numbers. But all right, that was great ze. All Right.
See that's the end of another fantastic show. If you
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you Tunday next week for another great episode of Access Podcast.
I'm Mighty stout out m
Hazy. Hi, Maddie, we are about to hear a radio
fairy tale. Carla Marine and Anthony started with a podcast
and now they have a morning show in Seattle, Washington
and are on an upward trend. They're superstars. They're amazing.
They were fun to talk to you. They're fun to
talk to you and good looking kids. Check out their podcast.
(00:25):
Right here, we were talking about Cardi B and how um,
why can't think your name of the song for us? No? Oh,
make money moves? Did you want me just to do that? No? Well,
you were complaining that the DJ on New Year's Eve
played it like four times in a row, six times
(00:47):
in a row, and you were saying you were kind
of you didn't think that it should have been played
that many times. No, no, no song. My argument though,
is when we let's fast forward like fifteen years. Okay,
I'm gonna be when when you're forty five, Carl Marie Bodak,
(01:10):
Yellow will be treated the same way that like a
Juicy by Biggie is treated now. So a couple of
weeks ago, I was a guest on Paul mccuri's podcast,
and the whole time I felt super naked because I'm
used to being the one asking the questions. So my
first question to you, Carl Marine and Anthony's do you
feel naked? Yeah, a little bit. We actually are naked.
(01:33):
I'll don't be that radio guy. Come on now, No,
it's you know, it's actually a little bit of a relief. Yeah,
it's true because we don't have to worry about what
we have to say next. You have to worry about
that part. Yeah, you don't have to do the prep
and and and all that stuff. No, we literally just
sat down and said, okay, we'll talk to her. So
I want to talk about your your career. You're you're, you're,
(01:56):
you're living the dream in the radio world. A lot
of us had to start in shitty, small market radio
and do years of that and then maybe make it.
It took me like ten years to go from West
Virginia to New York City in mornings. Um, you guys
got your start in New York City doing warnings. But
I want to talk about first what led you to radio?
Why why radio? In this this this crazy young world video,
(02:20):
Why why radio was something that you're interested in? Well,
for me, it started really young, like driving to elementary school.
I would listen to Elvis Duran in the morning show
on Z one, and as a kid I wanted to
do radio is the only thing Radio and TV really
were the only things that interested me. So by the
time I got to college, that's the path I followed.
(02:41):
Worked at the radio station at Rutgers University and then
started interning four Elvis Duran in the morning show and
everyone at one hundred. So it was kind of wild
for me going from there the reason I got into this,
to working with them to then being hired by them.
So if I hadn't listened to them every morning, I
don't know that I would have even been interested in
(03:03):
radio at all, because they have this crazy way of
making you fall in love with them. How about you, Anthony.
So I actually was originally going to college to be
an athletic training. A trainer came and talk right now,
and I kind of hated all the classes I was in.
But at the same time I was doing this like
commercial modeling acting thing that was kind of cool. By
the way, both of you are way too good looking
(03:24):
to be in radio. Thank you, Thank you very much. Proceed.
So I was doing that and decided to switch to
my major to TV. And radio broadcasting because luckily in
my school had both programs there and you went to
Seaton Hall. Correct. Oh, you guys weren't like the other
Jersey kids that came down to West Virginia with me. No,
my niece is there now. Actually though, is she drunk yet?
(03:47):
She's been drunk for the last three years, so yeah,
she will be. Yeah. We we get everybody from New
Jersey down at West Virginia. Anyway, I did grasp go ahead, sir. No.
So so I switched to Majors. And originally I switched
because I thought I was into the whole TV thing.
And then my first professor was Bartell, who's on at KTU,
and um, I kind of just fell in love with radio.
(04:08):
I went to the studio one day just to kind
of observe. I love the connection that everyone had with
their teams and then the connection with the audience and stuff.
So I just got into promotions and kept kind of
bouncing around until I found my group. You know, I
teach at university and and if one thing I've seen
with a lot of my students, they don't know they
want to do radio until they get that little first
(04:30):
taste of it. No, It's true, it really is. It's
you have no idea that it's an actual real life job.
Like no one really thinks about it like that, especially anymore.
And now when we have well sometimes we have college
kids come in here and or high school kids and
they'll say, well, I want to do this now, It's like, well, yeah,
you've been listening to it every day for how long
you haven't made that connection. So you're part of a
(04:53):
generation that you know didn't spend all of its time
with radio. You you have many other dis fractions. What
do you think makes radio stand out to somebody who
who doesn't thinking about it? So who doesn't think about ready,
why do those students say that? Do you think? You know?
I think and maybe I'm maybe I'm drinking the cool
a little bit um. But we always have these uh
(05:14):
calls with Bob Pittman, who is our CEO obviously, and
he always brings up the difference between being part of
the community and then just listening to your music library.
And I think the reason people still gravitate to morning
radio specifically is you're part of something. You know, You're
on your crappy community to work wherever you're going. Probably
(05:35):
stuck in traffic, but you know that you're doing it
with a bunch of other people, and you're having conversations.
Even if you're not calling in or texting in, you're
still probably responding to the people talking on the air.
And I think that connection is what still brings people in. Yeah,
I I agree with that. But also you have these
kids come in who from their mind they've heard of
jobs and careers and all kinds of things like that,
(05:55):
and then they sit in a radio studio and they
see us interact and laugh and to callers and have fun,
and they realized, Wow, this is a fun job. I
can literally do what I'm doing with my friends every
day and get paid for it. Now, obviously we all
know there's way more to it than that, but seeing that,
seeing how fun it is, I think it's kind of
cool knowing that you can grow up and have a
(06:17):
job where you can actually have fun and not have
to crunch numbers all day. I want to talk about
podcasting and radio because you guys, you know your story
is you work together behind the scenes for Elvis Durant.
At one point, did you two meet and did you decide, hey,
let's try to put together a podcast. Well, there are
(06:39):
two different stages. The first, I mean, Carl Marie, you
started with Elvis went well, I got hired into I
started being paid for my work in two thousand and ten.
So we met. We met really in early two thousand
and ten, and then we became friends. All of there
was a group of us that were all around the
same age, so we all would hang out together. I mean,
Anthony lived with two of the people that we worked with.
(07:00):
It was. It was a really cool little behind the
scenes community we had where yeah, we called ourselves the
B team. Our best friends were our coworkers. And then
in two thousand four teen, Oh my god, two thousand
and fourteen. Yeah, we were heading out on a ski
trip and just talking one day and the story is
(07:21):
pretty crazy. We're listening to another morning show and realized
him we could be better than this actual morning show.
We we have pretty entertaining conversations, and Anthony said, let's
start a podcast, and we looked at it like it
was a real morning show. We sat down and made
a timeline for ourselves. We said, okay, we want to
have a meeting this day, Let's launch our podcast by
(07:42):
x date, and let's get an email address, a website,
a logo, all of that. We didn't just sit down
one day and just start doing a podcast. We actually
planned it as if it was a real business, almost
like it was our business model. Are many little startup
and it happened within three months. Four months we started
our podcast and haven't stopped. You guys are making me
smile so much. I teach podcasting and their midterm is
(08:04):
a power point presentation on their podcast before they even
get to do it. Because I teach everybody, and I
say this all the time. A podcast is a startup.
It is a startup and and you need to treat
it with with the same respect. And I think one
of the problems with radio has been in the past
is that radio folks don't treat podcasting like they would
(08:25):
any other show. They don't put the time, effort and
money into it like you would a morning show. And
it's a goddamn talk show. It is a talk show
when it's done right right. Even when we're taking the
stuff that we do on air and putting it in
podcast form is like an on demand show. Um, we're
in the process of creating all new imaging for that,
so it sounds good as a standalone podcast, not just
(08:47):
chopped up parts of a morning show. Um, and I
think it is really important to treat it as such
because you know, you know, you never know when people
are going to get your content, when people are gonna
hear your voices, so you want to make sure it's
presented the right way every single time. You're so right.
And and this is the one of the things that
I left radio ten years ago to help start Stitcher.
(09:08):
And the reason I came back to radio was that
I do see that this is the time for for
radio to get serious about podcasting. And and you know,
and that's the thing treating these on demand segments instead
of them being you know, these little thorough ways that
it's its own podcast, you can have these smaller mini podcasts.
And I just love to hear that that's how you
guys are thinking about things. Oh wow, I'm so happy
for you guys, And jump in real quick, because one
(09:30):
of the reasons we also started it was, oh yeah,
we definitely wanted to have a show at some point,
and we knew that, you know, working with Elvis was
the biggest blessing we could have had to start our
on air radio careers. But at the same time, there
are fifteen other people on that show, so trying to
get any sort of extended amount of air time is
a little difficult, especially when you're the low guys on
(09:52):
the totem pole. So that was our way to just
practice talking for an extended period of time, rather than
just coming in saying three words and of as a
show and then walking out of the studio like, we
will adjust this as this could be our big break,
so we need to put as much work into it
as possible. And nothing drives the two of us more
crazy than when we see people younger than us be like, oh,
(10:13):
they got a morning from their podcast, let's just do
a podcast, and then you throw it together and it's crap,
and then everyone's mad, why don't they have a morning show?
They have no idea the amount of work and hours
extra on top of our regular job that we put
into that many little podcast we did once a week.
You know the thing that one of the things about
(10:34):
radio that that's that's gone away is the farm system.
You know, I started when I was sixteen, and you
can't do that now. You can't be a sixteen year
only get a job at a radio station. It's just
not gonna happen. There's just not that many jobs out there.
And I think the podcasting is exactly what you guys
made it. It's the farm system. This is a great
way to hone your talent. But you learned you were
taking all the things that you learned from this morning
(10:55):
show and then putting them into the podcast, and I
think that that's that's also very what a couple of
things that you learned from watching Elvis and his production
team that you know, we're like as soon as when
you start your podcast is like, yes, we gotta do this,
we gotta do that, we gotta do this. We tried.
I mean, Elvis the show by no means is um
scripted or really has any formula that it ever follows.
(11:18):
But we knew prep went into it and there was
some sort of a log that they would have, an
idea that they would follow every day, and there were
reoccurring bits. So we said, okay, what prep do we
need to do? Like we did actual prep. We would
find stories and then the bits started to come. We
would do little things and repeat them every week, and
we engaged with people, and that was the biggest thing.
(11:40):
I think for us. As the person who answered the
phones for Elvis and that was his lifeline. I knew
that the calls that went through every day were important
for him and that's what my job was. So when
it came to the podcast, we couldn't do calls, so
we did our best to really hit social media and
um email as much as possible, so every week. Really
(12:00):
now our podcast is evolved too. We're just almost taking
topics straight from email and straight from what people are
telling us about their lives and asking us and kind
of just talking about it on the air. So we
took the listener engagement and the somewhat of a formula
structure of a morning show and tried to put that
on a podcast. How long was it that you were
(12:22):
doing the podcast before it started to really catch on?
Because I think a lot of another reason folks don't
do podcasting as they get discouraged it first and and
and I think it takes time. But did you guys
do it right away or was there you know this
building process? Um? No, there's there was definitely a building process.
Obviously through social media. We had Elvis's audience like the
(12:44):
p ones if you will, that we're really supportive originally UM,
and then I want to say it was about eight
months into the podcast, someone emailed Elvis's show about our podcast,
basically telling like almost thinking that Elvis didn't know we
were doing a podcast, but he turned that into a
topic and when he brought it on the air, that
helped out a lot. And then we just um, a
lot of people will tag their friends and tell them
(13:05):
to listen stuff like that. So it definitely built organically
with a good kickstart from Elvis's social following. Yeah, we
had Elvis, but there are so many podcasts out there
that don't have a national morning show that kick ass
and take off. So it does take time, just as
any radio station or any radio morning show or any
show really takes time. It's the same thing with podcasting.
(13:27):
So at what point did this podcast become reality? As
far as your dream is doing a morning show? Because
Seattle is a big market and to have that be
where you're getting your first morning show, that's a big deal.
So there was somebody solid the talent and decided to
put you on there. How did that happen? So, because
(13:48):
we have the whole iHeart family kind of that was
based in New York, people knew we were doing the podcast,
and almost really at this time, podcasting wasn't everywhere. Not
every one their mother at least had a podcast. Podcasts
weren't even really on our iHeart Radio app at the time.
Ten months into our podcast, we got our own channel,
(14:09):
like we were just posting the audio to Elvis's website. Yeah,
but then, um, I guess what happened was really a
couple of people on the executive level had been um
emailed to listen to the podcast, and at the same
time they were looking at getting a new young morning
show in Seattle, and their theory was, let's get people
(14:30):
had to actually know each other instead of, you know,
trying the whole arranged marriage, saying that most morning shows
go through. Let's get people who at least have chemistry,
because you can build on chemistry, you can't fake it.
And that's why they listen to the podcast, heard the chemistry,
and gave us an opportunity. It was about two and
a half years into it. I would say, yeah, that
(14:50):
two years into it that happened and then to us,
one of the questions we first had when we talked
to them about moving to Seattle and accepting this job
was are we still allowed to do our podcasts because
we knew where we came from. We wanted this to
still be a part of our lives and still every
week we do it. So I made the move from
(15:12):
I moved from Hoboken to San Francisco about fifteen years ago.
A lot of things are different on the West Coast.
What was your first first of all, the food. I
had to take a lot of adjustments because I got
you know, Jersey. I'm sorry, Jersey's got great food. What
when you first got to Seattle? Like, what was a
couple of the first things that that you guys noticed
(15:33):
that We're like, oh my god, we are not in
Jersey anymore. You know. For me, it was for me
it was the time that people leave work. I feel
like when you're in a New York office people, I mean,
you have people that are just crazy about the work
schedule and maybe sacrifice a little bit of their home
time for that. Where I think the work life balance
out here um is a little more even on the
(15:53):
West Coast. People actually people actually spend time to go
home and be with their families and not just lock
themselves in their office for hours day, which is great.
And all. But for two people who were used to
that drive, we're just like, where is everybody? We're the
morning Joe and we're here later than everyone else? What
is going on? That was a little frustrating at first,
I mean, and now it's frustrating, and it'll stay frustrating.
(16:15):
Trust me, I'm I'm with you. But you know, I
never took a vacation til I moved to California because
I was like that radio nerd kid that lived at
the radio station, and that's that was. You know, come on, man, um, um,
how about just uh, you know, as far as you know,
like you know, living in Seattle, Um, what are some
things that you guys? You know, it took a little
(16:37):
adjustment to get used to. Yeah, well, we have no
Italian food. So coming from an Italian family in New Jersey,
as you know, there's Italian restaurants everywhere and out here,
there really isn't any Italian food. So that was kind
of weird. And then when my parents visited, it was
stuff that take them places because that's all they eat.
But yeah, but food, I think I love the food
(16:59):
out year, it's just there's definitely different cuisine. I think
I thought I should say that when I was in
New York, New Jersey, I thought that I was like
an outdoorsy type person, and I moved out here and
realized how really outdoorsy people could be. Um, and I
love it. I love like I've never really went on
hikes before, but I go on hikes now and stuff
like that, and just kind of that that culture that
(17:21):
I was never really into because it doesn't really exist
in Manhattan or Hoboken, New Jersey City. There's no mountains there.
How was the adjustment for the audience when you got
to Seattle? You know, I've I've done my share of
moving to new markets and and you know, dealing with
being the new person in the market and people don't
love you right away. Um, how was that adjustment? And
and you know what's it discouraging at times when when
(17:43):
you got to the got to Seattle. No, we were,
we were really looking. I think the only discouraging part
was being used to an audience like Elvis's national audience,
where you have eight million people listening every morning. Um,
so you never have to worry about the phones lighting
up or people texting or tweeting or whatever. Um. But
I think we were really lucky as well because when
they launched Power Here, they still had the old morning
(18:07):
show host from Cube. They just moved Cube to a
different frequency. So when there were a few angry callers
that wanted to hear their their cubee, we just directed
them over to our sister station and they were like,
oh cool, thanks, yes, So we didn't get the really
bad backlash that some morning shows get. But with that said,
it is so tough to do a show when you
know there's cooks in the kitchen, you've got all kinds
(18:31):
of people listening and telling you what you're doing within
the company, what you're doing wrong, and then knowing that actually,
no one really is listening to you right now, so
that it was kind of tough. That's what we felt
like that there was you know, we weren't getting that
feedback from listeners at the time, so we're like, who's
even listening? What, no one's there, it doesn't matter, it's
fine whatever. And then obviously about a year later, I
(18:53):
think it started to really pick up. Was there one
or two things that you said on the air and
then we're later informed were like just completely wrong about
about Seattle area or you know, street names or things
like that. Well, I think what we were told originally
was the Seattle market doesn't interact as much as other
(19:13):
markets with their morning shows. They just kind of sit
back and listen, which was true originally. And I think
there was an adjustment period and almost I like to
call it almost like a training period and like letting
people know how to use our morning show every morning.
That makes any sense, No, that makes perfect sense. And
I think I I understand that I had the same
kind of adjustment coming because New York is just everybody
(19:34):
wants to be on radio New York. Everybody wants to
call you, everybody, everybody thinks they're great, and there are
a lot of great personalities in New York. That's why
callers are so great in New York. Um, And it
is different when you move out here. And I think
what I always told people originally, like in New York,
you don't have to ask people for their opinion. They're
going to tell you their opinion, whereas here there were
times where we would give out the number like four
(19:55):
times in a break to like really enforced to the
fact that you can call in and be part of
this show. And then as people started hearing they're fellow
Seattle lites on the air, and then it started snowballing
a little bit, and now we haven't had I mean,
we haven't had an issue getting callers in a year
and a half. Almost. Yeah. It's funny because now we
almost take it for granted. We get all these calls
(20:15):
and we kind of forget that there was a time
where we would solicit for a topic and then be like, so,
now what do we do. Let's call some friends. Yeah,
so that was kind of top in the beginning. But
as far as like saying roads and stuff like that,
I think we really both did our research and talents
because Seattle in the Washington area these names of names.
(20:35):
I would put on the news every day and just
listen to the news anchors talk because I was like,
well they got to be saying all right, And that's
how I found out how to say everything. Dwin mornings
with anybody, um you really know all their idiosyncrasies and
things that uh can annoy you. In fact, you know,
my wife would get upset because I would come home
and call her by the name of Sarah, who was
(20:58):
the show I worked worked on with. Do you guys
have little things that right now, I'm going to give
you the opportunity to tell the other one that they
do early in the morning that really bother you phil phrases.
This is a safe place, A safe place, okay, I'm thinking.
I mean, we definitely got into art like full arguments
at times, screaming matches. It's great, it feels good. But
(21:21):
we also know how to because we've done it for
so long. We really know how to work with each other.
Um So it's tough, but we don't. I don't really
think that's something that I kept telling us. You have
to stop saying that or doing that. I don't know,
but that's the thing we'll tell each other, like, you
need to stop there was and there was something I
(21:41):
was doing you yelled at me for two. We're pretty
direct with each other too, so we don't really let
things like boil over, which also scares the crap out
of everybody here. Um well, I think it's really important.
I've worked with morning shows that didn't talk to each other.
I worked at the morning show where the two hosts
would come in and not talk until they got on
the air. I mean, it's I think that that communication
(22:01):
is super important. I think that because you said it
earlier that chemistry is what people are listening for, and
and and if you had that chemistry off the air,
then it then it shines on the air. Do you
spend time a lot of time together off the air still, Yeah,
for sure. I mean we definitely need our get the
Halloway from Me time, but yeah, absolutely we do. And
(22:21):
we when we moved here together, we kind of developed
a lot of the same friends. So that's kind of
made it like now we have the same group of friends,
but we also both you know, I have my girlfriends
and he's got his jim Buddies or whatever. I don't
know what, but we do have our separate lives, which
is great. But we still and we have to still
spend that time together off the air because that is
what created this whole thing in the first place. So
(22:45):
it's cool to have that and it come we come
in with stories and different things, but it's also good
to have stuff that the other person doesn't know about.
You have that real initial reaction on the air. If
you're going to give a tip for somebody who's working
behind the scene, consider radio show or just wants to
get into the business about starting uh their show, off
or how how to do it? What are a couple
(23:07):
of things you would tell them plan it out, spend
some time listening to other podcasts things, and spend time
listening to podcasts that you don't like so that you
don't do those things. Um find out yet find out
as much as the things you want to do, the
things you'll never do, or the things that hate you hate,
or the things that sound awful, as much as the
(23:28):
things you look and that you do. Another podcast as well,
work out Wednesday. How do you translate working out into
podcast form? Like? How how do you? How do you
do it? So that's something that I originally started as
a video series that I did on Elvis's show. That
was like the first time I really had a consistent
(23:48):
thing on Elvis's show because I was like the youngest
one there, I was the most active one there. So
I did this bit where I would figure out a
different type of workout. So I mean I did everything
from spin classes, the boot camp classes too, then like
stripper pole dancing classes. There my whole theory there was
there's something out there for everyone to do, and that
(24:09):
kind of became my brand. So what I did recently
when I kicked this off at the beginning of the year. Um,
it's not necessarily about specific workouts. It's more about like
tip fitness tips, diet tips, overall health and wellness tips
from different experts, um in different fields. So the first time,
the first episode was this woman, Autumn Calvaries, who's got
(24:31):
hundreds of thousands of followers on Instagram. She's a beach
body coach and she just launched a new workout program.
So she kind of broke that down and told people
what it's about. And then it's just her tricks and
stuff that she does to day in shape. And then
I had someone who works for Dr Raz's show that
just helped develop a brand new diet, so I talked
to that person about food trends and diet tips and
stuff like that. So it's really more it's not just
(24:53):
working out, it's a health and wellness thing. But the
name just stuck with workout Wednesday, so we're not doing
squats with just be grunting for like thirty five minutes. Well,
I think you both have really cool things you do
outside of radio and Carl Marie, you know, you write
articles and by the way, your Instagram following me a stupid,
um annoying right as we say, that's a mix of
(25:16):
Elvis's help and having boobs. So you know, I'm really
glad that here here you say that the having boobs part,
because I'll have students to come in and you know,
I teach a lot of classes. One of classes I teaches,
you know, we talked a lot about social media, and
they're like, oh, I have like this many followers and
I look at their instagrams like every one of them
is just tits. It's like, okay, yeah, yeah, I love you,
but you don't really understand social media just because you
(25:39):
And by the way, your Instagram is not that at all,
like like that is not you. You are. You have
a great Instagram with a variety of good pictures. But
you know what I'm saying, right, no, absolutely listen, trust me.
I'll know like this one's gonna get a lot of
likes because there's some cleave in the paint. Trust me,
I get it. We understand. But for me, I think
it's whatever I put out on the air real so
(26:02):
why would I change that on Instagram? So my Instagram
is just honestly everyday things that happened, and yeah, once
in a while. You've got those those glamour shots or whatever.
But I just try to keep it as real as possible.
And that's what And that's the feedback I've gotten from
people too. It's like, you're so real, You're so normal.
I'm like, I mean good, because this is all you're getting.
There's nothing else. I think I'm gonna try and move
(26:25):
shot today. I got the man boobs. I might as
well use them for something. Alright, kiddos before we go
out of here. Um, I've got you know, you can't
take the radio out of the guy. I've got the
three killer questions. It's how we end every podcast. First
question for you guys. If you could listen to anybody
do a podcast living your dad? Whose podcast would you
(26:47):
want to listen to? God? God, that would be a
good podcast. It would be like, Hey, everybody, I know everything.
Actually I know. I I want to say this one,
but it's such a cliche girl things to say. Let's
say Marilyn Monroe, that girl's got stories. That's not I've
(27:09):
never had anybody give that answer before, because you know,
I mean, I like, but she better keep it real
because I want to know all about JFK and Joe
DiMaggio and all those guys my producer and see a
shaking head. She would listen to that podcast. Good to know.
I think I just watched the Ric Flair documentary. The third,
I'm sorry, I can't not do that to um you.
(27:32):
I feel like an old school wrestler would be cool
because they were always on the road, They're always doing
crazy things. I think that'd be a cool podcast to
listen to, especially if it was done like in the eighties,
like with those guys or The Rock, because I can
listen to anything The Rock does. The second question is
I'm gonna ask the I'm gonna ask that. I'm gonna
ask this question. I get yelled at for this question,
but I like this question. If you were a sandwich personified,
(27:54):
what kind of sandwich would you be? Tailor him and
cheese because we don't have that here and I've really
want Tailler him and cheese. But how does that exemplify
your personality? Because you know what, Tiller Him is very rare.
There's not fun Teller him in the world. Not many
people know about Tiller Him, but when they meet Taylor Him,
they really like Taylor Him. That's me with cheese yeah,
(28:15):
but you don't do it with egg. No, I don't
need egg. I'm great without egg. Raging psychopaths, are you? Yeah, exactly,
I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I don't need I
don't know eggs coming in here blowing up my spot.
I'm just Taylor Ham with cheese. How about you, Anthony, Um,
I would be you're a meatsuper I honestly, dude, just
(28:36):
from our conversation and seeing and checking out, I would
I would probably say that's something very Jersey like that,
but go with the b lt Why because I think
it's it's got your bacon, so it has its little
bit of like manliness in there, but it's also got
listen tomato and I have some very feminine choices as well. Okay,
can I just say my my producers, her face is
(28:56):
in her hands looking down right now, laughing. I've never
heard and describe himself any better. Actually write a little
bit of bacan, a lot of lettuce. Uh. And finally, guys,
what's the last podcast that you binged? Um? I do
a lot. I do listen to a lot of morning
shows on demand. Um, but I think the last one
(29:19):
I've binged actual podcast probably ump last actual pod. Crap,
what was it? It It was a history one? Oh is
it micro? I'll look it up. As So the last
podcast I actual actually binge from beginning to end was
s Town and that is just that's a whole another
(29:39):
world Thursdays where I'm just like the amount of research
and effort he puts into that is just mind blowing
to me. That's a whole another world of podcasting, which
is the whole. Cool part about podcasting is there's so
many but day to day, I just listened to other
I heart morning shows. I've listened to Anthony's podcast and
I think it was it the micro one. I really
like that. We just talked about that podcast last week
(30:02):
because well, Mike's I've known Mike a long time. He
used to be in San Francisco, and he's so good.
He's and he's that guy all the time. Yeah, And
I love I love his boys, and I love listening
to talk and the way he takes you through the
podcast and tells you a story about something you already
know but you don't realize that that's what that story
is about. It's incredible. The stuff you missed in history
(30:23):
class is one of them. And then radio Labs has
some good stuff too. Love Radio Lab. Love Radio Lab
so good with headphones on or in a long car trip. Yeah, exactly.
You guys are great, and I'm looking forward to uh
working and talking to you guys more in the future.
And I'm just you know, I'm just I'm impressed. I'm
so impressed by you guys and what you've done, um
so far in your career and and where you guys
(30:46):
will be going. And uh, one of these days people
will go back and say, oh, man, remember they were
just doing a podcast and radio show. You guys are great,
big future ahead of you. Well, thank you. I love
the I love the idea behind this podcast too. Yeah.
It's podcast about podcast basically, but it's I can talk
about this stuff all day, so I love it. Thank
you very much. Yeah, I we really appreciate it. It's
cool to be able to tell our story. And and
(31:07):
you said you have a lot of students, hopefully that
they can learn that working your ass off pays off
eventually or at least a little bit eventually. But yeah,
it's been this has been a lot of fun. So
thank you very much. And I'm saying this with all sincerity.
This semester in the podcast production class. I will be
talking about you guys for sure, because it is no
this is the this is It's exactly what I preach.
(31:28):
You guys are doing it. So I'm proud of you.
I'm proud. Well, thank you. Let us know if you
need anything from us at all, and we hope to
me too soon. Okay, Hazy, Hi Maddie. So it's at
time of the show where we give you some podcast suggestions.
(31:48):
Z looks around, finds a few and we talked about them.
That was a fun interview. Yeah, they were. It was
also cool to have people like around my age on
the podcast. I really related to that. No, they're great
and and and I'll be honest with you when when
you booked it, I was like I didn't know who
I honestly, I didn't know them very well. I knew
that they had a morning show, and I was like, oh,
(32:09):
a couple of morning show people. Nothing against morning show people.
And then it was like, the more I learned about them,
I'm like, oh my god, this is such a great story.
And then I fell in love with them doing that interview. Yeah,
and it was they were so passionate about everything. They
talked about and it was really inspiring and like motivating
to think. Anybody, whatever age you listen to, it'll motivate you,
kick start your dream whatever it is. Yeah, they're great.
(32:32):
I hope, I hope I stay friends with them. I
don't know if I'm cool enough, but you know, I
think you're there, guys, if you're listening, I do, I do,
heart you hear you. All Right, let's talk about some
podcasts that folks can check out on the I Heart
Radio app. All right, so the theme of this one
is radio people that have podcast Yeah, radio people people. Yeah,
(32:52):
radio people come down at you. All right, do you
want to raw? Um? So the first one is where Carla,
Marie and Anthony got their start. And so it's a
little shout out to Elvis Duran and his fifteen minute
morning show. And I like this because it's quick, it's fun.
They're super uncensored and unscripted and it's fun to listen
to and getting ready or whatever. Yeah, Elvis during his demand,
(33:14):
let's check it out. And of course justin Timberlake, who
was was blond and very young at the time, and
the girls were going crazy and we had we had
waffles and French toast and pancakes and all breakfast for them.
And so at one point I said, uh, to Elvis,
I said, these girls are crazy. We could probably sell
the French toast that Justin had partially eaten on his
(33:34):
plate because they were going to go out and perform.
We could probably sell his French toast. And I was like, yeah,
we should. How can we do that? And Scotty said, well,
I have an eBay account, so I know there's a
slight chance that Elvis might be listening to this podcast
since his since his folks are on it. Carla Marine, Anthony,
if you are listening and you ever wanted to tweet
out about my podcast, that would be great. I appreciate
(33:55):
it to be a solid. Mr Dran, Mr Duran, Yeah,
we to I need to get him on. We need
to have Elvis on. Bobby came on, Elvis be in
the building. The come on that was terrible. That's radio
stuff for you right there. Yeah, it's a magic Monday,
come on at you god. Oh. I when I started
(34:16):
in radio, I was sixteen years old and I was
a kid, and I worked at a classic rock station.
So I would literally like pretend to be older and
have a bigger voice, so I'd be on there. It's
about M ninety four classic rock voice. That's exactly how
I talked when I started off on the radio. It's
cute four, a little lead for the head. When people
(34:38):
met you, did you have to put on that voice?
I didn't mean. It's not like you know, the radio
was different then, you know, you literally would go in
and do your show and not people had no idea
who you worked. There were no pictures, they didn't know.
And I had several DJs, you know, And then I
didn't do that for a long time. I started just
being like, screw it. I'm just that's not me. I'm
not going to do that. And I had a small
market programmer, our assistant program director. He listening to the
(35:01):
program director tell me, it's like your your voice isn't
big enough for the big markets. But you know you can.
You'll make it a radio as a programmer, but I
don't think you'll make it anywhere as a big, big voice.
So that's how it. That's how it used to be.
Not that way anymore at all. Yeah, not at all. Anyway.
Back to the show, all right, next one is someone
you mentioned it's Bobby Bones, the Body Bobby Man and
(35:25):
he Um. I love listen because he's so knowledgeable about
the artist that he talks to and really gets in there.
Especially my favorite one is his interview with John Mayer
and John Mayor was like blown away by him, just like,
oh wow, you asked these questions that I've never been
asked before. And that's the kind of interview here he is.
It's like not the most generic stuff. The best compliment
I've gotten about this show so far was from a
(35:47):
Bobby Bones fan who said that they thought our interview
styles were similar. Yeah, that's great, thank you so much
for that. I wish our numbers were similar. Hey remember fifty,
we're going for fifty. All right, Hey, let's pick it out.
Do you still practice at all? Like? Do you practice?
Very good question? Um, I think that I'm about to
practice and then I plug in and I'm like, no,
(36:10):
I'm so good. Bobby Man crush hashtag man crush every day.
Al Right. Next one, I am bringing it local to
San Francisco with Sana Ca my Girl Sana G d
c Lex Jones g BIZ. Right after their Sana G
(36:32):
Morning Live show, they get on the podcast and they're
super uncensored, super talk about anything, anything your heart can
think of. They talk about it and it's wonderful and
I feel like, absolutely, it's the first black superhero movie
of this magnitude ever really to be made. Were excited.
It's important to be excited and support it. And we
(36:54):
don't you know what I'm saying. Oh no, Chris Brown
over there talking about don't bootleg it. I know y'll
still are probably gonna do it because you gotta get
your dollars together and Disney getting all that money anyway,
So I mean, what are you worried about? Take care
of home. When I got to San Francisco got to
I hurt San Francisco. I was looking for, like, who's
going to be the first podcast? And Sanna was like
(37:16):
Sauna and she was the first podcast and now we
have twenty six. So she started the trend and she's
doing great. She is doing fantastic. It's a great show
even if you don't And we get a lot of
listeners who don't listen to them on the morning show
but just listen to the Sonic Cast. So and that's
the goal is to have these podcasts that live outside
of the radio stations. And maybe we'll inspire people to go, hey,
(37:37):
check out the radio stations and get some ratings for
for the for the regular program directors. I need my
digital numbers. But all right, that was great ze. All Right.
See that's the end of another fantastic show. If you
want to follow the show, go to the Facebook page
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(38:00):
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But so if you're on Twitter, please like us, uh
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The other thing that I want you to do is
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(38:21):
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You can also connect with me on LinkedIn. I put
up a lot of podcast articles, so if you are
interested in podcasting, you when we know more, maybe you
could follow that. I want to thank everybody here at
I Heart Radio San Francisco, Don Parker, Katie Wilcox, also
the podcast God Overlord of I Heart Radio Chris Peterson
special thanks to our music conductor who is one Casey Franco.
(38:45):
Dalton Drumberg does the graphics and I want to shout
out to Ricardo Are because he does. If you follow
us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. We do these cool
um like little animated things for the show and he
puts those together, so great team, great job z. Thank
you Tunday next week for another great episode of Access Podcast.
I'm Mighty stout out m
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Join me on this podcast as I navigate the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people—all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, I offer a unique interview style and a low tolerance for bullshit, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. I honor the seriousness while also appreciating wit. I’m your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.