January 18, 2018 • 36 mins
This week is all about the history geeks in the crowd. Matty talks to Lindsay Graham, no not that one, about his new podcast “American History Tellers”. They talk about the importance of understanding history in our daily lives, how podcast have become a new teaching source, and what historical figures would have done a great podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, it's Maddie, host of Access Podcast. Welcome to the show,
and I like to just congratulate new producer, see because
you've booked probably the biggest guests in the history of
our show, Senator Lindsey Graham's kind all right now, it's
Lindsay grahams different. Lindsay Graham's with an a the host
of American Tellers. I love history. If you like history
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and what a geek out with another person that likes history,
then check this show out today. During the Second World War,
the United States, the UK, and the so Union came
together in a grand alliance to defeat Germany and Japan.
But within two years of that piece, the West would
be locked in a conflict with the Soviet Union that
threatened to destroy the entire world. This was the Cold War. Now, Lindsey,
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can I just say that I take a lot of
pride and show prep. I was an executive producer for
a lot of talk shows um across the country. It's
something I pride myself in. Do you know how hard
it is to prep for a guest whose name is
the same as a famous senator and is so like
it's not a common name as well? You're you're like
impossible to find information on sir. Yes, a Google and
(01:13):
I have an arrangement that that secures my privacy. Uh yeah,
it's it's it's horrible. Uh the my s c O
options are really low. Have you ever thought of just
saying I'm going to change my name to Larry. No,
because Larry is a horrible name. I agree with you
on that. Sorry, Larry's out there. I love you as listeners,
(01:33):
but your name is not you don't hear. It's like
one of those names like you just don't hear anymore.
Or Barry. Nobody's saying Barry anymore either, or Harold or
or Franklin or all these great old timey names names. Yeah, yeah,
like Maud. I love Maud anyway, Mr Graham, Uh so
I'm interested to learn about you because I mean I
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literally went LinkedIn. I mean I found Lindsay Graham's, but
I don't think any of them were you. I tried Twitter, Facebook. Uh,
my producer. I yelled at her this morning because it
was like, you can't find anything. Meanwhile, I didn't find
anything either, so I didn't I didn't really yell at her.
She's back there, but but tell me about you, because
you know this podcast is for me. I'm a history
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like fanatic. I spend at least an hour a day
reading something historical. I watched the History Channel. I studied
it in college. So what is your background and you
know that you know to get into this hosting this
wonderful historical podcast. Um, well, my background is largely an
audio that's you know how I got here. So I've
owned a little recording studio. I've produced music and composed
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music for years and uns years, but then we got
into audiobooks and and then podcasts. Uh. And that's how
I met her Non from the Wondering Network. Um. They
put out are my first podcast, which is a fictional
show called Terms, and Terms kind of gets more to
the center of this question because I have always been
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a historical and political creature. Those are my interests and uh,
and so we created a podcast that kind of features
that as a central theme. Um. I've also taught history.
I was a history major before, as I was a
psychology major before I was a business major. Um and um, yeah,
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it's just always been a passion. And so to be
able to combine my love of being a studio rat
and also teaching and learning about history. It's fantastic. This podcast,
like most of the podcast that I'd say, all the
podcasts that Wandering puts out, it's just it's produced so well,
and you know, I feel that it's part of this
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new wave of podcasting that is, you know, it's where
podcasting is going, you know, really well produced and really informative.
And you know, I'm a firm believer that podcasts, you know,
when they're done right, they create empathy and then they
they take you to a place the same place that
you go when you read a book. You know that
that little person the spot between you and the in
the content. And and I feel like there's might be
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hope for the new generation because I teach it. I
teach at a university, and I feel like their knowledge
of history is really bad. And do you look at it,
so do you look at this podcast is as a
way of of of making history more accessible to uh
some folks and maybe maybe a book isn't their friend. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean I think it's just a fact of the
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universe that that we have are a screen culture now
and um that takes up time and and just also
develops a different taste for for media podcasts, I think
are are as you indicate a kind of a bridge
to a previous more um solitary, but still very connected
method of consuming information and um and developing empathy. I
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think it would be our number one goal you have
if to understand and appreciate history. And it's certainly not
dates and facts, it's it's people. You know. The enterprise
here is just trying to investigate what it was like
to live in this time and what it means for
for you to be living in the time we're in.
Uh So, if we if we can communicate empathy, I
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would say that that that we've done our job really well.
And I would say this it also your podcast help
me tap into memories. Uh I. Well, while I'm teaching,
I will often make references to my college students and
realize they don't know what that means. They don't know
what it is to call someone and get a busy signal.
They don't know what it's like to wait at home
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for the phone to ring, and they don't know what
it was like two be deathly afraid that the Soviet
Union was going to nuke our asses, and and as
a kid, that was my biggest fear. I mean, it
was a huge fear. And I and and it's just
even today, like when we talk about the nuclear threat
coming from from North Korea, I kind of forget, and
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I think a lot of people forget, like that was
a real fear that we all had for a long time. Yeah,
absolutely real. Um, you know one of the reasons why
I wanted to do the Cold War first as our
first little series. Um, these are these feelings, these fears,
these aspirations. Uh, they're they're largely forgotten. Um. We lived
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in a time that was strange and and violent and um,
just on the precipice of destruction for decades and UM
that's gone away, thankfully. But today's headlines you cannot you
can't draw, you know, not draw a parallel between what's
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going on today and then and um, you know, it's
it's almost the worst sort of nostalgia for us forty
five year olds who grew up uh in the eighties.
I just wonder, you know, what if what if Kennedy
tweeted some of the stuff that our president tweets during
the Cuban missile crisis. You know, just there's all these
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like Wow, I look at history. But and I think, well,
nobody in the past would have done these kind of things.
But I don't know that. I don't know if they
would have if they had access to Twitter. If if
they would have, you know, made been more provocative, then
then they seemed to me looking at them in history books. No, well, yeah,
I think you're right. I don't know if Kennedy would
have uh, you know, tweeted. I mean I think I
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think he was a statesman and and and um uh
and careful and certainly media savvy. So um yeah, No,
well I was thinking, you know, even there's certainly some firebrands,
uh you know that that probably would have left on
the Twitter. I mean, can you imagine the segregation now
segregation forever tweet it would have happened, um, you know,
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and and and periscoping or or or live coverage of
of the Little Rock nine. Um, yeah, it would have
been a completely different time. But your question brings up
a central issue of the study of history. I think
it's that, um, that these are people, and as as thinking, feeling,
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consuming living things, they haven't really changed much in the
fifty years. Certainly the dressing and the circumstances and the
filigree about us. But that's just history is just a
bunch of people making a bunch of decisions in order.
Do you feel that into in today's climate, there is
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enough focus on what happened in the past. And I
don't like to. I think that this comparison is made
way too much. And I'm not making this this this
is a comparison, but when we look at you know,
when we look at a president or somebody who was
trying to have people dismiss the media, you know, and
then you look um, you know, and I and I
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hate to, I hate the comparison, but I'm a big,
big study or of of early you know, German history,
early before you know, the thirties, before World War Two,
and you do see a lot of these kind the
parallels as far as what a despot does. Yeah, I
I would say that one of the most disappointing aspects
of our modern age for me is the the way
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that we have turned people doing jobs into these monolithic
ideas of conspiracy and um and opponents. You know, it's
no longer that you're a person who voted for Obama.
You're a you're a libtard, right, or it's not you
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didn't vote for for Bush. I mean or or or Trump.
You're you're someone here horrible if you voted for Trump. Yeah, yeah,
that polarization. Um. Yes, I think the rise of conspiracy theory.
I think the rise of our the rancor in our
our discourse. It can can all be boiled down to, well,
a lack of empathy for the other person. And his
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historical study is one way of breaking through that to
to realize that, you know, I put on my pants
one leg at a time, just if I'm a Republican
or a Democrat, that they might be different colors. Um.
But you know, um, I haven't really watched it, but
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I've seen previews of Sarah Silverman's show, and you know,
here's a Hollywood liberal comedian and she's doing a really
good job of just showing up in places where she
should not be showing up and having conversations. Um. And
I think we should all do more of that. Uh.
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If if there's a if there's a more climate, a
portion of our political climate, it's just that that we're
not listening to each other. I grew up in West
Virginia and I go back to visit and you know,
and and you know, living in California, you know immediately
you know, their rancor goes up as far as like,
oh you turned into this and this and this and
mine best two. When I go home, I think, well, well,
(11:01):
what are your people doing here? What are you doing
to my country? And that fades away after about ten minutes,
you know, because when we start talking and it's like now,
I'm still Maddie from from Romney. I'm just the same kid.
Might have different political views than I used to, but
you know, things are things are are the same, and
I think that that dialogue is super important. There's a
show that I really enjoy on on Comedy Central called
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Drunk History. I don't know if you're familiar with it.
I do love this show because I love history and
listening to drunk people tell it is really good. But
one of the things that I always take away from
it is, you know, here's another way of making this
history accessible to folks in a different way. And and
it brought up when you were talking about conspiracies. One
of the episodes was about Roswell and that if you
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study history, you know that it was a satellite. You
know it was whether you know that was you know
the government admitted, Hey, yeah, we didn't want telling anybody,
and we thought it would be easier. Uh. And I'm thinking, gosh,
you're not. People who don't realize that, you know, who
don't even know that that was you know, they never
get past the conspiracy theory. It and it's so much
more fun to believe a conspiracy theory than to to
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actually like do the homework and find out what really happened. Well,
it's also psychologically more fulfilling. You know, there's there's all
sorts of studies of of hy conspiracy theories and and
this sort of crooked thinking exists. And I think it's
just a shame because one, it's misinformation you're living. I mean,
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people are dedicating their lives to chasing down just an
absolute fantasy when there's real, simple explanations that that you
can just say, oh, okay and then and then go
on with your life. Um. But to it it blocks
you from from participating in any sort of further investigation
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of the world of facts. You lose the vocabulary of
thinking that you know, um, there are basic facts of
the universe that you need to discover and accept and
their extrapolations. But you're not certain about those and and
that's okay. You know, this this idea of of of
certainty both in history and politics and and rhetoric, I
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think it's dangerous and um, anyways, I'm I'm I'm a
big fan of stopping and thinking about the basic principles
of things like would this really happen? You know, what,
is it possible that forty government employees could be in
on a secret? Um? No, it's it's unlikely. I was
on vacation recently and I was sitting at a sushi bar.
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The group of people next to me were talking about
how they all agreed that there was a conspiracy theory
behind nine eleven. Now I was in New York on
nine eleven. I lived in New York City. So my
my back, I mean just I my rankled up, and
I so badly wanted to just like just just educate
them on how stupid they were and how dumb that was.
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I didn't. My wife was like, just let it go,
let it go, let it go. But but it is,
but it was just but it was the thing that
bothered me the most was just the level of like, well, sure,
of course, you know, and then they started quoting things
they've seen on Twitter, and I'm like, this is real,
this is a really you're really sitting here having this conversation.
I was, actually I was in Sydney, Australia on that day.
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We woke up to a phone call, you know, told
us to get up and turn on the TV, and
pretty much the entire day had happened while we were asleep.
And Um, I was actually flying out from Melbourne to Sydney,
so it was very, very strange to be milling about
as a as a an American traveling alone in Australia.
The Australians were amazing, but that it happened immediately. Um,
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of course everyone was talking about that event, but you
you could not run into people who had already developed
the theory of everything on this that it was, and
they were talking out loud and so assuredly about their
theories on what happened. Uh me hours after you know,
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the towers fell. Um, and I felt the same sort
of rage. I was, you know, an American abroad and
uh and and deeply homesick that day. Um. But yeah,
you just I don't know how to confront that. Yeah,
I don't know. You know, one of my favorite things
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about history is and this is a podcast I've always
wanted to do, is the what Ifs of history because
as as someone you know who reads, I read a
lot of books and and and you know, there are
so many things that could have changed based on a
couple of things, like you know, and I mean from
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big things like what if Hitler had not gone into
Russian what if Hitler had pressed on Dunkirk? And what
if what if the British had not come up with radar? Uh,
you know, all these like little things that especially like
technology wise, that that changed like World War Two. I mean,
I'm think people realize how many things that technology wise
change the course of that war more than anything else.
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Do you have these what ifs that that you like
to think about? And is that something that that you
also you know, spend your time with it at all? Well,
you know, I don't think about the what ifs, um
mainly because there's just so damn many of them. Uh,
you know, like we we can we can butterfly theory
ourselves into an fantastic fictional world. Um, but it's it's
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the case that one single person uttering one sentence differently
in one moment, and the entire world as we know
it would have changed. Um, I don't. Yeah, I think
who it's fun to speculate, but um, but I don't
spend a lot of time doing it because, um, I
don't know where to start and and there's so much
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they're already to to learn from. Um So, but yeah,
I think speculative fiction is is just entertain hating to
think about the mechanics of of these small changes at
snowball into uh, you know, an avalanche of history. What
is your favorite genre of history to to study and
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to read up? I mean, I I kind of change
around a lot. I've been I've recently got into the
Hundred Years War and I'm like really into that right now.
But what is your I bounced around two? I've you know,
I've had a deep fondness for for European history when
I was younger, and uh, and then Russian history and
in college. Um. I got to tell you though, um,
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and and this is really because of the recency effect.
I've I just finished another podcast project that I hope
to release in the spring. But uh, the the reconstruction
period in America and the immediate aftermath of Abraham Lincoln's
death is fascinating. It put every American value to the test.
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You know, this country was just wrung out, and um,
I'm I'm astounded that we recovered. I'm saddened that that
many things took as long as they did. But wow,
what a what a fascinating period of history. UM. I
don't really give much care to to study the Civil
War itself, you know, this battle and that battle and um,
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you know, but but the politics and the humanity that
happened because of it. Uh, it's just just fascinating me.
You know, as somebody who's forty four, I am just
now coming to grips with I was given an education
in the Civil War that Uh, that's stuck with me
until recently, you know, because I grew up in my
hometown switched hands fifty six times during the war, and
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we had the first Civil War monument was in my hometown, uh,
and it aunted it. It says the War for States Rights,
and I remember hearing that, and the War of Northern
Aggression and all kinds of things growing up, Like I mean,
slavery was never part of the education that I got
about the war. It was always about Southern independence. And
then the same thing with the Civil War monuments. What
made me think of that was a Civil War monument
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issue because you know, I just grew up, you know,
feeling like, of course, we have to idolize these guys,
you know, they were great generals. And then and then
when I found out more about like why they were
put up and when they were put up these monuments,
and then I, you know, I start to question back, like, oh,
you know what, I've got things ingrained from in me,
from from childhood. And I think it's probably the same way,
you know, to kind of til back towards you know,
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the topic of of the Cold War that you know,
I think as middle aged adults now coping with growing
up in that time, you know, we have maybe some
ideals and beliefs that were so ingrained in us that
that we're just maybe haven't figured out yet. Well. I
think that's the case for every generation. I mean, why
why does every generation, as as it ages, bemoan the
next one? Oh these youngsters? You know, It's because there's
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a set of values that you've grown up with and
you carry with you and they change. Um, you know.
I I think the debate of Civil War monuments, uh
is a real interesting one because if you unpacket, there's
there's there's questions of free speech, there's questions of history.
There's questions of heritage that that I don't think shouldn't
be cast aside, uh lightly. There's also questions of of
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of what it means to be insulted or or patronized
as a as an individual or or even a social group.
Um and in in order to come to to a conclusion,
I think any any person who who says, you know,
I have a feeling about this hasn't done enough thinking,
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because it's a deep and complicated issue, just like the
Civil War itself, uh and it was rooted in times
well before us, and we're just you know, swimming downstream
of history. What were three a couple of things that
really struck in you that you didn't know before you
did this series on the Cold War? Because it's fascinating,
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and I think the thing I like the most about
the podcast is what you kind of said earlier is
that you put people into the life of someone you know.
Imagine that you're, uh, you know, a professor, and you
know you've signed this one petition and I was listening,
I was I was driving into work, I was listening
uh to the podcast and and and it is it's
just like, oh gosh, I never thought of that. You know,
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like you sign one petition, you could be you know,
you've got you got ostracized. I mean it's very interesting.
I mean, what are some typic waits you had in
doing the research for it? Well, you know this the
newest episode is is about um literally the fallout of
nuclear weapons testing. And it was largely instructive to me.
I don't think I knew much about the science and
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the politics, uh and the messaging behind America's nuclear efforts
after you know, during the Cold War, you know, I
knew about nuclear weapons and the the arms limitation treaties, etcetera.
And you know, certainly all the summits that that our
leaders went to. But UM, I had no idea the
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the the health and environmental damage we were inflicting on
ourselves and others, and how potent these weapons are in
terms of their fallout. You know, I remember being frightened
of radiation, but I never knew what it could do,
um until until you know that this this series, and
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and you know, it was so concerning for Americans of
of a certain stripe that that housewives and pediatricians got
together and started asking for volunteers to donate their children's
baby teeth so that those teeth could be ground up
and searched for radioisotopes. And and they found out it's
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like yep, uh, there's a there's a lot of radiation
in America. UM. And you know, of course, the the
the government agencies at the time have have their own
arching orders to not only compete with the Soviets and
in a nasty geopolitical war, but um, but to address
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this new technology and get a handle on it. And
the different factions are very similar to today. Uh. You
can have you had big, big atom, and we might
have big oil today. You know, the people have been
fighting for for what they feel is right for forever
and uh. But I had no idea that that radiation
was was such a thing. Um. And I honestly I
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would have been scared to death if I put my
daughter's baby tooth in an envelope to ship off to
to some testing laboratory. Um. It would I'd be very
frightened of the world if if I was living in
that time, I have a silver cup that my my
dad is an air Force was an Air Force pilot
and tow in the fifties, and he has a silver
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cup with a nuclear um you know, mushroom cloud on it,
with his name on it and the date in an
island because he was working on it, I guess you
know he was. He was, he was helicopter pilot and
running support for this and just and just I always
looked at that and go look at the pride that
they had in this explosion. You know, this is this
thing that they put it on a silver cup and
gave it to him as a memento. Yeah. Another thing,
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another thing I learned was, you know, within just less
than six months of of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you know,
in the American marketing uh, non American government but American
private marketing firms, just Win Adam mad you could find
you know, the symbol of the atom or a mushroom
cloud on anything you wanted, you know, get get your
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wife a nice crystal mushroom cloud brooch. Um. It was.
It was fantastic. Um. You know, the you would think
that such horror would uh give us more than a
few months pause. This is fast. I think we could
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do an hour talking about the history with you. For
for a long time, but I do want to. You know,
we as we wrap up, we do a little segment
on the show called three Killer Questions. So I have
three questions for you. Lindsey Graham, not that Lindsey Graham. No,
Lindsey impossible to find online Graham. We'll talk about it.
(25:20):
Oh so that's the difference. Yeah, that's the only difference
between he and and it still wants to auto correct
it on Google. Um so here here's the question. So
the first the first question I have for you is
if you could listen to a podcast featuring anyone from history,
whose podcast would you want to listen to? What a
good question? Um My, my first immediate thought would be
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Mark Twain, how entertaining? I mean he he has to have, uh,
just a hell of a show and would know how
to use the medium. Yeah that's great. Yeah, that's a good,
good answer for that. This question. I'm asking this because
I asked this question to my staff one day and
the answer that they gave me surprise me. But I'll
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ask you right now, do you know what Dolly Madison's
favorite ice cream was? No? I do not. I would
be guessing what is Dolly Madison's favorite ice cream. It's oyster.
It was oyster ice cream. That's well, here's the thing.
I found that out. And I came into work one
day and I have a staff of twenty year olds
and a lot of them were my students, and when
they graduated, hire them to come over to iHeart and
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I'm like, yeah, do you guys know? And here's the
answer I got. Who's Dolly Madison or do you mean
Dolly Madison the porn star? Not one of them knew
Dolly Madison was. And I'm just I'm looking at my
producer right now. I'm you did not know whatever my
producers claiming she knew, now you did? None of them knew? Anyway,
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there you go. Um. And then the last question, real simple, Lindsey,
was the last podcast that that you binged? That I binged? Well,
you know, I I probably was Steal the Stars. I
I an audio drama and uh, really well done by
I was about to say a close friend I've Twitter
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friend of mine, Mac Rogers, he wrote it, Yeah, it
was it was good. I you know, I like seeing
where the state of the art is in terms of
podcast audio dramas because I think there's a you know,
very broad horizon for for that medium. I tell people
all the time, we're we we haven't even scratched the
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surface of the kinds of podcasts that will be coming
out in the future. You know that, you know, there
are so many different ways we can go with this,
and it's so exciting. Yeah, I I agree. I think
we probably have enough two dudes talking podcasts, So I'm
glad this one's coming to an end. But uh, but yeah,
I'm excited that that that that this this is a
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such a vibrant medium. Can I tell you the term
I use in my class when I when I teach,
I tell the days of two guys sitting around telling
dick jokes is over, because that was the podcasting for
a long time. It sure was. Well, I'm I'm I'm
glad that you came and did this two guys talking podcast, lindsay.
It's great and I don't want to overstress this. I
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feel like these are important podcasts, these podcasts that that
teach as well as entertain and and again tap into
that that that psyche, that that's you know that reading
the book Psyche is super important and you do a
wonderful job. I I can't tell you how how great
I think the podcast is produced and sounds in the
(28:34):
info is just it's solid, dude. Good job. Well, thank
you very much, and big props to my team at
Wondering Who who really make this possible. Uh, I'm just
tickled to be doing this. Thanks Lindsey, thank you. All Right, see,
I think he I think that you will soon hear
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a podcast featuring Lindsey Graham and myself talking about historical
moments that could have an almost happen. I think that's
in the works. I think it could happen. I think
it's a great idea. I thought his enthusiasm for it
was a little low though, but I think he's on board.
I hope so, because I I have tons of time
to do like another podcast, because I'm not doing fifty already.
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But there you go. That was fun and I love history.
I love history podcast. There are a lot of great
history podcasts out there, and I'm anxious to see which
ones you producer Ze have picked out for us to
talk about. All right, Well, the first is from a
network we really love. It's from how Stuff Works and
their show is stuff you missed in History class. I
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love this podcast. Um, I have not always loved the hosts.
They've switched host a couple of times, and I like
the current batch of hosts very much. Um, but this
is this is definitely for the folks that like that
slice of history that is not common knowledge exactly. It's
just a little out of the blue, something you never expected.
(29:58):
It's nice, all right, let's check it out. The reason
that I have always wanted to cover the Lumier brothers
is that they were really prolific inventors, and we're going
to talk about the innovations in developing motion pictures, for
which they are most well known. I think if you
ask most people, they can tell you that they were
involved in early motion pictures. That is definitely in my
queue already. So what's another one we got? This is
(30:20):
from the BBC Across and it is called Witness and
the description of it is history as told by the
people who were there, which I think is super interesting.
To find people from the places that they're talking about,
so it's like the first iPhone, Eisenhower's Farewell Address, stuff
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like that. So they find people that were living in
those moments and get them on the podcast. I'm anxious
to hear it. Let's check it out. We were taking
over men's jobs for them to be released for the army.
The women were on everything. The men all went show
that around the railways and your nationals and land um
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and post. So we knew that we had to do
those jobs. Once the men went, nobody else to do them.
Everything sounds better with a British acts absolutely. By the way,
I'm watching Victoria on Public on PBS. Very good. Really,
I like it. Yeah, if you liked Um down Abbey,
it's it's kind of it kind of feels that void
(31:24):
a bit. Is it fictional, No, it's it's historical, but
I mean there's fictional characters added to it. But it's
it's pretty interesting. Plus, I just I just love hearing anybody.
I don't know if any British person, I don't know.
That's my that's that's like my wife's thing. She'll just
walk around hour to go like a Mary Poppins thing.
I think we got it from the good place. I
(31:45):
think that was a yeah, I think that was an impression. Anyway,
too much TV talk, All right, one more? What do
you got? So this is the way I heard it
with Micro my friend really yeah, Mike and I have
known each other for many years. When I moved to
San Francisco. This is a funny story. When I moved
to San Francisco, I took over a morning show that
(32:05):
needed another co host, and and he's from here. He
was here, and they were actually just trying to They
were pitching Mike to come on our show just just
to plug something. And I was like, I'm only having
people on the show right now to try out his
co host and if he's not interested in that, then
I'm not gonna booking. Well, uh, you know. A few
(32:26):
weeks later, Mike, Mike and I I don't know, we
meet somewhere. We end up becoming buddies, and we we
go out and have beers after work because he worked
at CBS and worked in the same thing. But his
producer kept telling the story of how I refused to
book Mike Rowe on on the and like like got
like like this whole thing about this new guy from
New York's a real asshole. I won't book anybody, and
he doesn't want to have microw on. And meanwhile I
(32:46):
was like Mike and her like, yeah, Mike can come
on any time, it's just not not during that time period.
But he's he is. Everything you see Mike Row on
TV is Mike Row in person. I feel so attracted
to the work that he does because I feel like
he's so genuine about everything that he puts out. He is.
I cannot stress that enough to anybody, that that Micro
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is Micro. That's the guy you see all the time.
Of course, now that he's all big and famous, I
don't seem very often. Uh and I don't. I don't.
I don't drink anymore, so I don't go to the
same He's still he'll still like pop up at the
pub that we used to go to. But um, but
I know, like if I need something, I can hit
him up. He's a great guy and he's very smart,
and his podcast is really great. It ranges from a
lot of things, by history is one of the main things.
(33:29):
And he also has a great voice, and he's he's
wicked smart with a great voice. God damn it, Micro,
I want to be you. Let's check it out. A
tradition that began with a missprint in a Sears advertisement
over sixty years ago. An advertisement that invited children to
call Santa Claus on a number that rang a red
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telephone on the desk of a colonel named Harry Shoup,
a colonel who back in spent much of his time.
I'm at work staring at the map on a large
plexiglass panel, specifically at the North Pole, where the nuclear
warheads from Russia would first appear on their way towards America. God,
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he's good. He's so good. And I remember when I started,
when we started Stitcher, I remember trying to talk to
Mike about a podcast because I just thought he was
perfect for a podcast. And that's right, good, of course,
that was right, dude. I'm right about everything podcast related, basically. Folks.
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We're gonna have a couple of radio folks on we are.
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Hi, it's Maddie, host of Access Podcast. Welcome to the show,
and I like to just congratulate new producer, see because
you've booked probably the biggest guests in the history of
our show, Senator Lindsey Graham's kind all right now, it's
Lindsay grahams different. Lindsay Graham's with an a the host
of American Tellers. I love history. If you like history
(00:26):
and what a geek out with another person that likes history,
then check this show out today. During the Second World War,
the United States, the UK, and the so Union came
together in a grand alliance to defeat Germany and Japan.
But within two years of that piece, the West would
be locked in a conflict with the Soviet Union that
threatened to destroy the entire world. This was the Cold War. Now, Lindsey,
(00:50):
can I just say that I take a lot of
pride and show prep. I was an executive producer for
a lot of talk shows um across the country. It's
something I pride myself in. Do you know how hard
it is to prep for a guest whose name is
the same as a famous senator and is so like
it's not a common name as well? You're you're like
impossible to find information on sir. Yes, a Google and
(01:13):
I have an arrangement that that secures my privacy. Uh yeah,
it's it's it's horrible. Uh the my s c O
options are really low. Have you ever thought of just
saying I'm going to change my name to Larry. No,
because Larry is a horrible name. I agree with you
on that. Sorry, Larry's out there. I love you as listeners,
(01:33):
but your name is not you don't hear. It's like
one of those names like you just don't hear anymore.
Or Barry. Nobody's saying Barry anymore either, or Harold or
or Franklin or all these great old timey names names. Yeah, yeah,
like Maud. I love Maud anyway, Mr Graham, Uh so
I'm interested to learn about you because I mean I
(01:54):
literally went LinkedIn. I mean I found Lindsay Graham's, but
I don't think any of them were you. I tried Twitter, Facebook. Uh,
my producer. I yelled at her this morning because it
was like, you can't find anything. Meanwhile, I didn't find
anything either, so I didn't I didn't really yell at her.
She's back there, but but tell me about you, because
you know this podcast is for me. I'm a history
(02:14):
like fanatic. I spend at least an hour a day
reading something historical. I watched the History Channel. I studied
it in college. So what is your background and you
know that you know to get into this hosting this
wonderful historical podcast. Um, well, my background is largely an
audio that's you know how I got here. So I've
owned a little recording studio. I've produced music and composed
(02:38):
music for years and uns years, but then we got
into audiobooks and and then podcasts. Uh. And that's how
I met her Non from the Wondering Network. Um. They
put out are my first podcast, which is a fictional
show called Terms, and Terms kind of gets more to
the center of this question because I have always been
(03:00):
a historical and political creature. Those are my interests and uh,
and so we created a podcast that kind of features
that as a central theme. Um. I've also taught history.
I was a history major before, as I was a
psychology major before I was a business major. Um and um, yeah,
(03:20):
it's just always been a passion. And so to be
able to combine my love of being a studio rat
and also teaching and learning about history. It's fantastic. This podcast,
like most of the podcast that I'd say, all the
podcasts that Wandering puts out, it's just it's produced so well,
and you know, I feel that it's part of this
(03:43):
new wave of podcasting that is, you know, it's where
podcasting is going, you know, really well produced and really informative.
And you know, I'm a firm believer that podcasts, you know,
when they're done right, they create empathy and then they
they take you to a place the same place that
you go when you read a book. You know that
that little person the spot between you and the in
the content. And and I feel like there's might be
(04:04):
hope for the new generation because I teach it. I
teach at a university, and I feel like their knowledge
of history is really bad. And do you look at it,
so do you look at this podcast is as a
way of of of making history more accessible to uh
some folks and maybe maybe a book isn't their friend. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean I think it's just a fact of the
(04:24):
universe that that we have are a screen culture now
and um that takes up time and and just also
develops a different taste for for media podcasts, I think
are are as you indicate a kind of a bridge
to a previous more um solitary, but still very connected
method of consuming information and um and developing empathy. I
(04:50):
think it would be our number one goal you have
if to understand and appreciate history. And it's certainly not
dates and facts, it's it's people. You know. The enterprise
here is just trying to investigate what it was like
to live in this time and what it means for
for you to be living in the time we're in.
Uh So, if we if we can communicate empathy, I
(05:13):
would say that that that we've done our job really well.
And I would say this it also your podcast help
me tap into memories. Uh I. Well, while I'm teaching,
I will often make references to my college students and
realize they don't know what that means. They don't know
what it is to call someone and get a busy signal.
They don't know what it's like to wait at home
(05:33):
for the phone to ring, and they don't know what
it was like two be deathly afraid that the Soviet
Union was going to nuke our asses, and and as
a kid, that was my biggest fear. I mean, it
was a huge fear. And I and and it's just
even today, like when we talk about the nuclear threat
coming from from North Korea, I kind of forget, and
(05:54):
I think a lot of people forget, like that was
a real fear that we all had for a long time. Yeah,
absolutely real. Um, you know one of the reasons why
I wanted to do the Cold War first as our
first little series. Um, these are these feelings, these fears,
these aspirations. Uh, they're they're largely forgotten. Um. We lived
(06:16):
in a time that was strange and and violent and um,
just on the precipice of destruction for decades and UM
that's gone away, thankfully. But today's headlines you cannot you
can't draw, you know, not draw a parallel between what's
(06:38):
going on today and then and um, you know, it's
it's almost the worst sort of nostalgia for us forty
five year olds who grew up uh in the eighties.
I just wonder, you know, what if what if Kennedy
tweeted some of the stuff that our president tweets during
the Cuban missile crisis. You know, just there's all these
(07:00):
like Wow, I look at history. But and I think, well,
nobody in the past would have done these kind of things.
But I don't know that. I don't know if they
would have if they had access to Twitter. If if
they would have, you know, made been more provocative, then
then they seemed to me looking at them in history books. No, well, yeah,
I think you're right. I don't know if Kennedy would
have uh, you know, tweeted. I mean I think I
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think he was a statesman and and and um uh
and careful and certainly media savvy. So um yeah, No,
well I was thinking, you know, even there's certainly some firebrands,
uh you know that that probably would have left on
the Twitter. I mean, can you imagine the segregation now
segregation forever tweet it would have happened, um, you know,
(07:44):
and and and periscoping or or or live coverage of
of the Little Rock nine. Um, yeah, it would have
been a completely different time. But your question brings up
a central issue of the study of history. I think
it's that, um, that these are people, and as as thinking, feeling,
(08:06):
consuming living things, they haven't really changed much in the
fifty years. Certainly the dressing and the circumstances and the
filigree about us. But that's just history is just a
bunch of people making a bunch of decisions in order.
Do you feel that into in today's climate, there is
(08:29):
enough focus on what happened in the past. And I
don't like to. I think that this comparison is made
way too much. And I'm not making this this this
is a comparison, but when we look at you know,
when we look at a president or somebody who was
trying to have people dismiss the media, you know, and
then you look um, you know, and I and I
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hate to, I hate the comparison, but I'm a big,
big study or of of early you know, German history,
early before you know, the thirties, before World War Two,
and you do see a lot of these kind the
parallels as far as what a despot does. Yeah, I
I would say that one of the most disappointing aspects
of our modern age for me is the the way
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that we have turned people doing jobs into these monolithic
ideas of conspiracy and um and opponents. You know, it's
no longer that you're a person who voted for Obama.
You're a you're a libtard, right, or it's not you
(09:37):
didn't vote for for Bush. I mean or or or Trump.
You're you're someone here horrible if you voted for Trump. Yeah, yeah,
that polarization. Um. Yes, I think the rise of conspiracy theory.
I think the rise of our the rancor in our
our discourse. It can can all be boiled down to, well,
a lack of empathy for the other person. And his
(10:00):
historical study is one way of breaking through that to
to realize that, you know, I put on my pants
one leg at a time, just if I'm a Republican
or a Democrat, that they might be different colors. Um.
But you know, um, I haven't really watched it, but
(10:20):
I've seen previews of Sarah Silverman's show, and you know,
here's a Hollywood liberal comedian and she's doing a really
good job of just showing up in places where she
should not be showing up and having conversations. Um. And
I think we should all do more of that. Uh.
(10:41):
If if there's a if there's a more climate, a
portion of our political climate, it's just that that we're
not listening to each other. I grew up in West
Virginia and I go back to visit and you know,
and and you know, living in California, you know immediately
you know, their rancor goes up as far as like,
oh you turned into this and this and this and
mine best two. When I go home, I think, well, well,
(11:01):
what are your people doing here? What are you doing
to my country? And that fades away after about ten minutes,
you know, because when we start talking and it's like now,
I'm still Maddie from from Romney. I'm just the same kid.
Might have different political views than I used to, but
you know, things are things are are the same, and
I think that that dialogue is super important. There's a
show that I really enjoy on on Comedy Central called
(11:23):
Drunk History. I don't know if you're familiar with it.
I do love this show because I love history and
listening to drunk people tell it is really good. But
one of the things that I always take away from
it is, you know, here's another way of making this
history accessible to folks in a different way. And and
it brought up when you were talking about conspiracies. One
of the episodes was about Roswell and that if you
(11:44):
study history, you know that it was a satellite. You
know it was whether you know that was you know
the government admitted, Hey, yeah, we didn't want telling anybody,
and we thought it would be easier. Uh. And I'm thinking, gosh,
you're not. People who don't realize that, you know, who
don't even know that that was you know, they never
get past the conspiracy theory. It and it's so much
more fun to believe a conspiracy theory than to to
(12:05):
actually like do the homework and find out what really happened. Well,
it's also psychologically more fulfilling. You know, there's there's all
sorts of studies of of hy conspiracy theories and and
this sort of crooked thinking exists. And I think it's
just a shame because one, it's misinformation you're living. I mean,
(12:27):
people are dedicating their lives to chasing down just an
absolute fantasy when there's real, simple explanations that that you
can just say, oh, okay and then and then go
on with your life. Um. But to it it blocks
you from from participating in any sort of further investigation
(12:49):
of the world of facts. You lose the vocabulary of
thinking that you know, um, there are basic facts of
the universe that you need to discover and accept and
their extrapolations. But you're not certain about those and and
that's okay. You know, this this idea of of of
certainty both in history and politics and and rhetoric, I
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think it's dangerous and um, anyways, I'm I'm I'm a
big fan of stopping and thinking about the basic principles
of things like would this really happen? You know, what,
is it possible that forty government employees could be in
on a secret? Um? No, it's it's unlikely. I was
on vacation recently and I was sitting at a sushi bar.
(13:32):
The group of people next to me were talking about
how they all agreed that there was a conspiracy theory
behind nine eleven. Now I was in New York on
nine eleven. I lived in New York City. So my
my back, I mean just I my rankled up, and
I so badly wanted to just like just just educate
them on how stupid they were and how dumb that was.
(13:53):
I didn't. My wife was like, just let it go,
let it go, let it go. But but it is,
but it was just but it was the thing that
bothered me the most was just the level of like, well, sure,
of course, you know, and then they started quoting things
they've seen on Twitter, and I'm like, this is real,
this is a really you're really sitting here having this conversation.
I was, actually I was in Sydney, Australia on that day.
(14:16):
We woke up to a phone call, you know, told
us to get up and turn on the TV, and
pretty much the entire day had happened while we were asleep.
And Um, I was actually flying out from Melbourne to Sydney,
so it was very, very strange to be milling about
as a as a an American traveling alone in Australia.
The Australians were amazing, but that it happened immediately. Um,
(14:41):
of course everyone was talking about that event, but you
you could not run into people who had already developed
the theory of everything on this that it was, and
they were talking out loud and so assuredly about their
theories on what happened. Uh me hours after you know,
(15:02):
the towers fell. Um, and I felt the same sort
of rage. I was, you know, an American abroad and
uh and and deeply homesick that day. Um. But yeah,
you just I don't know how to confront that. Yeah,
I don't know. You know, one of my favorite things
(15:22):
about history is and this is a podcast I've always
wanted to do, is the what Ifs of history because
as as someone you know who reads, I read a
lot of books and and and you know, there are
so many things that could have changed based on a
couple of things, like you know, and I mean from
(15:44):
big things like what if Hitler had not gone into
Russian what if Hitler had pressed on Dunkirk? And what
if what if the British had not come up with radar? Uh,
you know, all these like little things that especially like
technology wise, that that changed like World War Two. I mean,
I'm think people realize how many things that technology wise
change the course of that war more than anything else.
(16:06):
Do you have these what ifs that that you like
to think about? And is that something that that you
also you know, spend your time with it at all? Well,
you know, I don't think about the what ifs, um
mainly because there's just so damn many of them. Uh,
you know, like we we can we can butterfly theory
ourselves into an fantastic fictional world. Um, but it's it's
(16:27):
the case that one single person uttering one sentence differently
in one moment, and the entire world as we know
it would have changed. Um, I don't. Yeah, I think
who it's fun to speculate, but um, but I don't
spend a lot of time doing it because, um, I
don't know where to start and and there's so much
(16:49):
they're already to to learn from. Um So, but yeah,
I think speculative fiction is is just entertain hating to
think about the mechanics of of these small changes at
snowball into uh, you know, an avalanche of history. What
is your favorite genre of history to to study and
(17:11):
to read up? I mean, I I kind of change
around a lot. I've been I've recently got into the
Hundred Years War and I'm like really into that right now.
But what is your I bounced around two? I've you know,
I've had a deep fondness for for European history when
I was younger, and uh, and then Russian history and
in college. Um. I got to tell you though, um,
(17:33):
and and this is really because of the recency effect.
I've I just finished another podcast project that I hope
to release in the spring. But uh, the the reconstruction
period in America and the immediate aftermath of Abraham Lincoln's
death is fascinating. It put every American value to the test.
(17:56):
You know, this country was just wrung out, and um,
I'm I'm astounded that we recovered. I'm saddened that that
many things took as long as they did. But wow,
what a what a fascinating period of history. UM. I
don't really give much care to to study the Civil
War itself, you know, this battle and that battle and um,
(18:19):
you know, but but the politics and the humanity that
happened because of it. Uh, it's just just fascinating me.
You know, as somebody who's forty four, I am just
now coming to grips with I was given an education
in the Civil War that Uh, that's stuck with me
until recently, you know, because I grew up in my
hometown switched hands fifty six times during the war, and
(18:42):
we had the first Civil War monument was in my hometown, uh,
and it aunted it. It says the War for States Rights,
and I remember hearing that, and the War of Northern
Aggression and all kinds of things growing up, Like I mean,
slavery was never part of the education that I got
about the war. It was always about Southern independence. And
then the same thing with the Civil War monuments. What
made me think of that was a Civil War monument
(19:02):
issue because you know, I just grew up, you know,
feeling like, of course, we have to idolize these guys,
you know, they were great generals. And then and then
when I found out more about like why they were
put up and when they were put up these monuments,
and then I, you know, I start to question back, like, oh,
you know what, I've got things ingrained from in me,
from from childhood. And I think it's probably the same way,
you know, to kind of til back towards you know,
(19:25):
the topic of of the Cold War that you know,
I think as middle aged adults now coping with growing
up in that time, you know, we have maybe some
ideals and beliefs that were so ingrained in us that
that we're just maybe haven't figured out yet. Well. I
think that's the case for every generation. I mean, why
why does every generation, as as it ages, bemoan the
next one? Oh these youngsters? You know, It's because there's
(19:48):
a set of values that you've grown up with and
you carry with you and they change. Um, you know.
I I think the debate of Civil War monuments, uh
is a real interesting one because if you unpacket, there's
there's there's questions of free speech, there's questions of history.
There's questions of heritage that that I don't think shouldn't
be cast aside, uh lightly. There's also questions of of
(20:13):
of what it means to be insulted or or patronized
as a as an individual or or even a social group.
Um and in in order to come to to a conclusion,
I think any any person who who says, you know,
I have a feeling about this hasn't done enough thinking,
(20:35):
because it's a deep and complicated issue, just like the
Civil War itself, uh and it was rooted in times
well before us, and we're just you know, swimming downstream
of history. What were three a couple of things that
really struck in you that you didn't know before you
did this series on the Cold War? Because it's fascinating,
(20:57):
and I think the thing I like the most about
the podcast is what you kind of said earlier is
that you put people into the life of someone you know.
Imagine that you're, uh, you know, a professor, and you
know you've signed this one petition and I was listening,
I was I was driving into work, I was listening
uh to the podcast and and and it is it's
just like, oh gosh, I never thought of that. You know,
(21:18):
like you sign one petition, you could be you know,
you've got you got ostracized. I mean it's very interesting.
I mean, what are some typic waits you had in
doing the research for it? Well, you know this the
newest episode is is about um literally the fallout of
nuclear weapons testing. And it was largely instructive to me.
I don't think I knew much about the science and
(21:42):
the politics, uh and the messaging behind America's nuclear efforts
after you know, during the Cold War, you know, I
knew about nuclear weapons and the the arms limitation treaties, etcetera.
And you know, certainly all the summits that that our
leaders went to. But UM, I had no idea the
(22:05):
the the health and environmental damage we were inflicting on
ourselves and others, and how potent these weapons are in
terms of their fallout. You know, I remember being frightened
of radiation, but I never knew what it could do,
um until until you know that this this series, and
(22:26):
and you know, it was so concerning for Americans of
of a certain stripe that that housewives and pediatricians got
together and started asking for volunteers to donate their children's
baby teeth so that those teeth could be ground up
and searched for radioisotopes. And and they found out it's
(22:47):
like yep, uh, there's a there's a lot of radiation
in America. UM. And you know, of course, the the
the government agencies at the time have have their own
arching orders to not only compete with the Soviets and
in a nasty geopolitical war, but um, but to address
(23:09):
this new technology and get a handle on it. And
the different factions are very similar to today. Uh. You
can have you had big, big atom, and we might
have big oil today. You know, the people have been
fighting for for what they feel is right for forever
and uh. But I had no idea that that radiation
was was such a thing. Um. And I honestly I
(23:33):
would have been scared to death if I put my
daughter's baby tooth in an envelope to ship off to
to some testing laboratory. Um. It would I'd be very
frightened of the world if if I was living in
that time, I have a silver cup that my my
dad is an air Force was an Air Force pilot
and tow in the fifties, and he has a silver
(23:55):
cup with a nuclear um you know, mushroom cloud on it,
with his name on it and the date in an
island because he was working on it, I guess you
know he was. He was, he was helicopter pilot and
running support for this and just and just I always
looked at that and go look at the pride that
they had in this explosion. You know, this is this
thing that they put it on a silver cup and
gave it to him as a memento. Yeah. Another thing,
(24:16):
another thing I learned was, you know, within just less
than six months of of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you know,
in the American marketing uh, non American government but American
private marketing firms, just Win Adam mad you could find
you know, the symbol of the atom or a mushroom
cloud on anything you wanted, you know, get get your
(24:37):
wife a nice crystal mushroom cloud brooch. Um. It was.
It was fantastic. Um. You know, the you would think
that such horror would uh give us more than a
few months pause. This is fast. I think we could
(24:59):
do an hour talking about the history with you. For
for a long time, but I do want to. You know,
we as we wrap up, we do a little segment
on the show called three Killer Questions. So I have
three questions for you. Lindsey Graham, not that Lindsey Graham. No,
Lindsey impossible to find online Graham. We'll talk about it.
(25:20):
Oh so that's the difference. Yeah, that's the only difference
between he and and it still wants to auto correct
it on Google. Um so here here's the question. So
the first the first question I have for you is
if you could listen to a podcast featuring anyone from history,
whose podcast would you want to listen to? What a
good question? Um My, my first immediate thought would be
(25:42):
Mark Twain, how entertaining? I mean he he has to have, uh,
just a hell of a show and would know how
to use the medium. Yeah that's great. Yeah, that's a good,
good answer for that. This question. I'm asking this because
I asked this question to my staff one day and
the answer that they gave me surprise me. But I'll
(26:04):
ask you right now, do you know what Dolly Madison's
favorite ice cream was? No? I do not. I would
be guessing what is Dolly Madison's favorite ice cream. It's oyster.
It was oyster ice cream. That's well, here's the thing.
I found that out. And I came into work one
day and I have a staff of twenty year olds
and a lot of them were my students, and when
they graduated, hire them to come over to iHeart and
(26:26):
I'm like, yeah, do you guys know? And here's the
answer I got. Who's Dolly Madison or do you mean
Dolly Madison the porn star? Not one of them knew
Dolly Madison was. And I'm just I'm looking at my
producer right now. I'm you did not know whatever my
producers claiming she knew, now you did? None of them knew? Anyway,
(26:47):
there you go. Um. And then the last question, real simple, Lindsey,
was the last podcast that that you binged? That I binged? Well,
you know, I I probably was Steal the Stars. I
I an audio drama and uh, really well done by
I was about to say a close friend I've Twitter
(27:09):
friend of mine, Mac Rogers, he wrote it, Yeah, it
was it was good. I you know, I like seeing
where the state of the art is in terms of
podcast audio dramas because I think there's a you know,
very broad horizon for for that medium. I tell people
all the time, we're we we haven't even scratched the
(27:30):
surface of the kinds of podcasts that will be coming
out in the future. You know that, you know, there
are so many different ways we can go with this,
and it's so exciting. Yeah, I I agree. I think
we probably have enough two dudes talking podcasts, So I'm
glad this one's coming to an end. But uh, but yeah,
I'm excited that that that that this this is a
(27:50):
such a vibrant medium. Can I tell you the term
I use in my class when I when I teach,
I tell the days of two guys sitting around telling
dick jokes is over, because that was the podcasting for
a long time. It sure was. Well, I'm I'm I'm
glad that you came and did this two guys talking podcast, lindsay.
It's great and I don't want to overstress this. I
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feel like these are important podcasts, these podcasts that that
teach as well as entertain and and again tap into
that that that psyche, that that's you know that reading
the book Psyche is super important and you do a
wonderful job. I I can't tell you how how great
I think the podcast is produced and sounds in the
(28:34):
info is just it's solid, dude. Good job. Well, thank
you very much, and big props to my team at
Wondering Who who really make this possible. Uh, I'm just
tickled to be doing this. Thanks Lindsey, thank you. All Right, see,
I think he I think that you will soon hear
(28:54):
a podcast featuring Lindsey Graham and myself talking about historical
moments that could have an almost happen. I think that's
in the works. I think it could happen. I think
it's a great idea. I thought his enthusiasm for it
was a little low though, but I think he's on board.
I hope so, because I I have tons of time
to do like another podcast, because I'm not doing fifty already.
(29:15):
But there you go. That was fun and I love history.
I love history podcast. There are a lot of great
history podcasts out there, and I'm anxious to see which
ones you producer Ze have picked out for us to
talk about. All right, Well, the first is from a
network we really love. It's from how Stuff Works and
their show is stuff you missed in History class. I
(29:37):
love this podcast. Um, I have not always loved the hosts.
They've switched host a couple of times, and I like
the current batch of hosts very much. Um, but this
is this is definitely for the folks that like that
slice of history that is not common knowledge exactly. It's
just a little out of the blue, something you never expected.
(29:58):
It's nice, all right, let's check it out. The reason
that I have always wanted to cover the Lumier brothers
is that they were really prolific inventors, and we're going
to talk about the innovations in developing motion pictures, for
which they are most well known. I think if you
ask most people, they can tell you that they were
involved in early motion pictures. That is definitely in my
queue already. So what's another one we got? This is
(30:20):
from the BBC Across and it is called Witness and
the description of it is history as told by the
people who were there, which I think is super interesting.
To find people from the places that they're talking about,
so it's like the first iPhone, Eisenhower's Farewell Address, stuff
(30:41):
like that. So they find people that were living in
those moments and get them on the podcast. I'm anxious
to hear it. Let's check it out. We were taking
over men's jobs for them to be released for the army.
The women were on everything. The men all went show
that around the railways and your nationals and land um
(31:03):
and post. So we knew that we had to do
those jobs. Once the men went, nobody else to do them.
Everything sounds better with a British acts absolutely. By the way,
I'm watching Victoria on Public on PBS. Very good. Really,
I like it. Yeah, if you liked Um down Abbey,
it's it's kind of it kind of feels that void
(31:24):
a bit. Is it fictional, No, it's it's historical, but
I mean there's fictional characters added to it. But it's
it's pretty interesting. Plus, I just I just love hearing anybody.
I don't know if any British person, I don't know.
That's my that's that's like my wife's thing. She'll just
walk around hour to go like a Mary Poppins thing.
I think we got it from the good place. I
(31:45):
think that was a yeah, I think that was an impression. Anyway,
too much TV talk, All right, one more? What do
you got? So this is the way I heard it
with Micro my friend really yeah, Mike and I have
known each other for many years. When I moved to
San Francisco. This is a funny story. When I moved
to San Francisco, I took over a morning show that
(32:05):
needed another co host, and and he's from here. He
was here, and they were actually just trying to They
were pitching Mike to come on our show just just
to plug something. And I was like, I'm only having
people on the show right now to try out his
co host and if he's not interested in that, then
I'm not gonna booking. Well, uh, you know. A few
(32:26):
weeks later, Mike, Mike and I I don't know, we
meet somewhere. We end up becoming buddies, and we we
go out and have beers after work because he worked
at CBS and worked in the same thing. But his
producer kept telling the story of how I refused to
book Mike Rowe on on the and like like got
like like this whole thing about this new guy from
New York's a real asshole. I won't book anybody, and
he doesn't want to have microw on. And meanwhile I
(32:46):
was like Mike and her like, yeah, Mike can come
on any time, it's just not not during that time period.
But he's he is. Everything you see Mike Row on
TV is Mike Row in person. I feel so attracted
to the work that he does because I feel like
he's so genuine about everything that he puts out. He is.
I cannot stress that enough to anybody, that that Micro
(33:08):
is Micro. That's the guy you see all the time.
Of course, now that he's all big and famous, I
don't seem very often. Uh and I don't. I don't.
I don't drink anymore, so I don't go to the
same He's still he'll still like pop up at the
pub that we used to go to. But um, but
I know, like if I need something, I can hit
him up. He's a great guy and he's very smart,
and his podcast is really great. It ranges from a
lot of things, by history is one of the main things.
(33:29):
And he also has a great voice, and he's he's
wicked smart with a great voice. God damn it, Micro,
I want to be you. Let's check it out. A
tradition that began with a missprint in a Sears advertisement
over sixty years ago. An advertisement that invited children to
call Santa Claus on a number that rang a red
(33:50):
telephone on the desk of a colonel named Harry Shoup,
a colonel who back in spent much of his time.
I'm at work staring at the map on a large
plexiglass panel, specifically at the North Pole, where the nuclear
warheads from Russia would first appear on their way towards America. God,
(34:14):
he's good. He's so good. And I remember when I started,
when we started Stitcher, I remember trying to talk to
Mike about a podcast because I just thought he was
perfect for a podcast. And that's right, good, of course,
that was right, dude. I'm right about everything podcast related, basically. Folks.
If you want to know everything about everything, follow me
(34:36):
on LinkedIn and follow me on Facebook and Twitter at
Maddie Stout m A T T Y s T A
U d T. That's that's how you do it, and
that's how you get smart. Okay, alright, you're lucky to
work with me. You you're so lucky. Give me my headphoons. Anyway, Hey,
(35:04):
thanks for listening to access podcast. Did I get it right?
I did? I think the British accent. I can only
do it when I'm doing old timey woman British accent.
Engineer David Williams and Horsewong. Art work by Dalton Runberg.
Music composed by Casey Franco. Special thanks to the podcast
(35:26):
godfather of I Heart Radio, Chris Peterson, Don Parker my
friend and Katie Willcox my friend and bosses at I
Heeart Radio. Thank you. Follow us on Facebook access podcast,
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and download the I Heart Radio app everybody so you
can check out all of the podcast. Everything we talk
(35:47):
about is available on the iHeart Radio Appen and let
me just do a little plug for I Heart not
that I do don't do them anyway, but if you
want to want one app that you can make music playlists,
listen to your live radio stations, and your podcasts all
in one place so you don't have to flip around
from from it's to do you don't have to do that.
(36:09):
There's no flippity doo with I Heart. You can just
put it in there. And I got Apple play in
my car, so I just like the Apple things really good.
There you go, folks, check it out. Ze You're the best.
Thank you, Thank you, appreciate it all Right Next week
We're gonna have a couple of radio folks on we are.
They're exciting, they're fun, Carla, Marie and Anthony. They're young,
they're pretty. They're way too pretty for radio. But we'll
talk to him next week. See you
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