August 29, 2023 • 43 mins
Welcome to Ace of Hearts, a dating podcast from every perspective! This week we'll talk with a good friend of mine, Dale Kennard and his experiences of 70 years of dating. Dale only speaks for his perspective and experiences, and we have no intent of generalizing any lifestyle, age, etc. Every person is unique and so is their story.
Topics: Marriage, Affairs, Unexpected Pregnancy, Dating, Love, Relationships, Divorce, Age Differences Social Links through my (Maddy Goshorn) Production Company Determinal Velocity Facebook: Determinal Velocity Twitter: @DTerminalVeloCT Instagram: determinalvelocity TikTok: determinalvelocity Website: determinalvelocity.com Thank you to The Jellyrox for letting us use their song "Glued" If you think you have a unique perspective that affects your dating life, and would like to talk about it on the show, send us your story at aceofheartspodcast@gmail.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Topics: Marriage, Affairs, Unexpected Pregnancy, Dating, Love, Relationships, Divorce, Age Differences Social Links through my (Maddy Goshorn) Production Company Determinal Velocity Facebook: Determinal Velocity Twitter: @DTerminalVeloCT Instagram: determinalvelocity TikTok: determinalvelocity Website: determinalvelocity.com Thank you to The Jellyrox for letting us use their song "Glued" If you think you have a unique perspective that affects your dating life, and would like to talk about it on the show, send us your story at aceofheartspodcast@gmail.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, my King's Queens and in Betweens. My name is
Maddie and I am your host of Ace of Hearts,
a dating podcast from every perspective for any first time listeners. Here.
Ace of Hearts is a dating podcast where I, the
inexperienced and naive asexual that I am, talk to people
(00:20):
with an assortment of different backgrounds and we just talk
about their dating life. And before we get too far
into this, I just want to state that we at
Ace of Hearts have no intention of generalizing any lifestyle, race, gender, disability,
et cetera. Our desire is to hear love stories and
(00:43):
sometimes horror stories, but always from people who don't always
get the spotlight. Every person is unique and so is
their story. And today I have a very good friend
of mine that i'm I have for a guest today.
His name is Dale Cannard. Dale would like to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm Dale and I'm Maddie's friend. I'm looking forward to
talking about dating.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Dale. I wanted to bring you onto this podcast just
because you are remind me again of your age.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm sixty nine. I'll be seventy January the eighth coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Rec kensel Mind size way, but you've had a lot
of dating experience and you're still and you're currently single,
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not still single, you've obviously dated in the past, not right,
So I just wanted to bring you on today just
talk about like what's the dating scene like now today
and what you're speriences have been in the past and
how they currently affect you today. So Dale, now, obviously
I know you, so I'm able to ask some of
these questions. But I believe you've been married once or
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twice before, no once, you've been married once before, and
you have a couple of kids, even grandkids right exactly now,
I'm I think a lot of people in the dating
scene generalizing are in their twenties or even thirties, maybe
with kids, maybe without some divorce. But you obviously have
like this culmination of experience, and I'd love to hear
(02:34):
you some some fun stories of all the of all
the years in which you've been dating and what it's
like now. So if you don't mind, like why don't
we just do like some bullet points of like your
life and your dating experiences. So I'll admit I'm kind
of cheating the questions a little bit because I know
you but I believe you. When did you first have
your first kid?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh? Very young. I started when I was seventeen years old.
I had a son, so he's in his fifty now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That relationship was very informative, you know, saying, shit.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You're seventeen, absolutely right, that you're you're still practically a kid, kay, exactly,
and now you have a kid.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I was raised a kid, raising a kid, yeah exactly.
But I took care of him, and even though I
didn't marry his mother, I went to court to legalize
him as my son, and so I wanted to always
be in his life, which I am. And he has
two grand two of my grandchildren. And then later on
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I married and have my daughter, and she has two grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you married someone different than the person you had your.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
First person, yeah exactly, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, Well, i'd love to talk about So when you're
seventeen and you said you took care of your son,
but you didn't marry this woman you had your son with.
Were you still dating around? How long are you with
this person?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Not long? Because I knew it wasn't gonna work. I
would have married her, except there were some family issues
on her side and I didn't think it was gonna work,
but she ended up becoming a Jovah witnesses jove A
witness and wanted more kids. And I couldn't see having
more kids when I was, you know, less than twenty
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years old.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, no, that's smart. I would argue that the smart
decision of like, bro, I'm a child, this kid, which
you know, not like throwing any shade at your son.
But is it fair to say that your first son
was an accident?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, a mixed blessing, nicoll it, I call it blessing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That is so sweet. Yeah, that's a much better way
to say it. Yeah, exactly, But that's very smart. I
would say, if you're under twenty having multiple kids, especially
if you're not like super financially stable, is it's a
smart decision to hold off on more kids, I would argue, Obviously,
everyone has.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Their own Yeah, I just waited too long. I think
I waited fourteen years to have kids.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You were four.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wait, no, no, no, I said, I waited fourteen more
years to have another.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh okay, sorry, so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, I didn't go backwards.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, but Benjamin button in over years.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So then you were with this woman for a couple
of years, but then you continue to date afterwards, and
when did you separate from this first first partner?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Probably three years later, so you were like twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
One, Yeah, no, no, twenty, you were twenty, that's right,
you said seventeen, I could do math. Math is old.
So you're twenty with the sun and then you're dating, right,
So how was that? Like, I mean, obviously this was
I can do math forty fifty years ago. Fifty years ago, yes, yeah, sorry,
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almost almost fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Half a century maddie.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, so that would be the seventy yes.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, fast rowing seventies.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yes, yeah, exactly. So then you're what was what was
it like at that point, being a being a father
and in the dating scene in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well, it was I mean there were plenty of women
and you know we were what was that, Oh, I said,
everybody was getting high at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh. I love it. I love how you make a
gesture to me, But like this is I said, I said,
I just think it. Mostly it's funny that we're in
a podcast and you're making a gesture. I'm like, I
don't our listeners can't see that you're that you're smoking
a toe, like I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Say it for sure. Yeah, so, I mean, you know,
it was like experimental drugs, a lot of smoking the marijuana,
and parties, and I was somewhat the life of the party,
I thought you were saying. Yeah exactly. My mother told
me I was burning both cats the candle at both
ends and around the middle because I was just out
(07:00):
funnel of wax. Yeah. Yeah, so she thought I was
into a lot of different things, but it was. I mean,
I just like going out and doing different things, you know. Yeah,
Like I was going to the Troubadour when I was
seventeen or eighteen years old. You know, I don't know
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what that is. The Troubadour is a club known for
its rock and roll bands and some jazz back in
the seventies, and it was an exclusive club in Beverly Hills.
But one memorable memorable date that I'd like to talk
about is my experience with dating a married woman my
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first time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh shoot, how old were you when that happened the
first time? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Boy, dall, it was like twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, dang, and you were dating a married woman who
I assume was not telling her husband about this situation.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
What happened is one day I'd been out partying and
I knew my sister, she's a bowler. She was at
this bowling alley and I stopped by. I saw her
car out there, so I stopped by just to watch
them bowl or you know, do something. And this lady, beautiful, attractive,
(08:22):
young lady, came and sat on my lap. And I'm
trying to figure out, you know, why am I so lucky?
You're and my sister and her best friend was trying
to tell me, you know, she her husband's over there.
You know, they're trying to, you know, tell me she's married,
you know, And I guess she was unhappy. But anyway,
(08:47):
to make a long story short, the that dating situation
made my hair fall out because I was nervous all
the time.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Your hair fell out? Yes, like like I assume the
hair on your head?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yes, okay, they're on my hand.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, the eyebrows are.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Eyebirds were intactic. The hair was falling out. It was
like coming out in clumps.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then my I was and this was because of stress.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, because I was nervous all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
How many dates did you go on with this woman? Okay?
Hold on? She sat on you at the bowling alley
and then you're like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Date? Yeah, we went on a date and some other
dates after that, and it was exciting. But I always
thought that it was something that I was not used
to because I didn't consider myself to be a dog.
And then to find out that he was a minister, you.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Know, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And the way I would always call her at night
and talk to her was your you know, good sweet
dreams and everything else while her husband was in the bathroom.
But unbeknownst to me, when she finally told me he
was in there writing love letters to his girlfriend, he.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Had someone on the side too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Now I wasn't around in the seventies, but uh I
was born yet. Was that kind of common?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
No? No, okay, no, no, that wasn't common. No, no, no, no,
that was That was my first experience. And then I
learned from there that married women have a different point
of view, and you really have to be uh not
care about people to be in a relationship where it
hurts somebody, you know what I'm saying. Whether I didn't
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know he had you know, his own thing going, but sure,
she she uh coaxed me up into her apartment and
that was really, uh, you know, nervous. I remember this
old joke about the guys in bed with this woman
in the years, the keys rattling, you know, and he
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raises up and he says, what is that? And she said, oh,
that's my husband. And so he thinks for a minute
and he says, well, he where's your back door? She says,
I don't have one, and he thinks for another minute.
He says, what do you want one?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That took me a good like five seconds to get
but then.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I got it. Yeah. Yeah, she was really exciting and
everything else, but it was just taxing on my nerves
to know, because we were like hiding, you know what
I'm saying. And then she was a friend of my
sister and her best friend and one day we were
driving down the down venice and there was a fire
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in the Midtown shopping center. I don't know if you
guys know this, but anyway, my sister and her friend
were walking across the crosswalk and I had to duck down,
and I thought they were I thought they would see me,
you know what I'm saying, recognize my car, But they
were talking, but stuff like it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Was like, your sister didn't know that you kept dating
this married woman. She she was there when you when
she sat on your lap. She was all like she's married,
and you're like, yeah, you did not tell your sister.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
She was cute, you know, you know. And uh so
that lasted all probably about maybe a year.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh wow, that's a while.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And she ended up divorcing him. And she's happily married
with kids now not you, not me, happily married to
someone else.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, but like you had a kid during that whole time, Like,
did that affect your relationship or was he mostly.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
With No, he was one with his mom and then
his stepdad, you know, which she ended up having four
more kids, like you're my baby's mama.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
If you were not. Oh yeah, the baby's mama.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, not baby mama, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Whatever. But yeah, so she got married and had more kids.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Four brothers and one sister. Oh wow, so she I.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Guess it kind of worked out for her. She got
the kids as she wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but she ended up divorcing him because he cheated
on her. Oh my goodness. And then she calls me
up like about god, it must have been like maybe
thirty years later, I mean maybe not thirty years maybe
about fifteen or twenty years later, and says that she
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only loved me, and my son said, oh nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
My god, that that drinks a whole other complication.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, Yeah, it was funny. I told her, I said,
you know, you had four kids and you need to
talk to me, talking to your husband, not me. Yeah,
the boat is sailed, baby.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You gotta need a life, some sort of life preservation
right to catch up with me. I'm a I'm in
the middle of the oce show.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
A whole other realm.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I'm in another ocean. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you know, in dating, you always want to
assume that you know, when you're seventeen or twenty, you
don't want to hear the same thing you know that
women are talking about when you're thirty or in your thirties.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I mean, you know they have to be able to
say something it's not more about it's not I mean,
I think when it was twenty it was about like
a lot of sex and getting high. And when you
was in my thirties, I was more serious about relationships
and wanted to delve in a lot of different things
about personality and.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, you were growing as a person exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, so the relationship and what you what you were
listening to, what you were wanted from a woman totally changed.
It wasn't just sex, it was understanding.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It was.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Being able to uh so to speak, let your hair
down around the person that you're with. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, I feel like in your twenties you're pretty much
just a big kid. You're still like, have no idea
what's going on. I don't think you're really expected to
make huge life altering decisions. People do all the time,
but you're you're still so young, and like that's your
first taste of adulthood and it's tough. It's really it's
it's a tough situation in your twenties. But at the
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same time, it's also necessary, right to become a more
mature adult, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I had a son, so I had to support him.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So I had to yeah, man, real quick.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, put off going to college, not finishing college, and
you know, because I had to have a job to
support him. And yeah, so things changed, but it worked
out for the best.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah. And then when did you meet your wife? You're
now ex wife?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Uh yeah, well, one day I was at an apartment
and it was upstairs, and I had a friend that
lived downstairs, and he was telling me about his partner.
They were in construction. She he had a cute sister.
So one day, uh, something happened and he invited me
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downstairs and was his partner, his wife and the sister,
and I said, right in front of her and we
kind of like clicked. It was like something's interesting here,
you know. And that's how that's how it started, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And then and then you got married married immediately, No,
I assume some time pasted, Yeah, about two years. Yeah, yeah,
and this was when you were in your maybe you're
in your thirties now. Okay, this is a great little
timeline we're making. By the way, you're dating dating Dale's
dating timeline.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, so you're in your thirties and you're now married
to uh.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Missus D missus D. Yes, the class of missus D. Yeah,
I took the class.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And how long were you married with missus Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
For thirteen years?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay? Dang? And you have one kid with her right? Ye?
One kid? Yeah? Uh so so then you were married
for a couple of years or not a couple of years,
full freaking decade. Right, So then obviously I assume you
weren't dating during that time.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, I tried not to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
No, No, that's smart. No, I mean about saying you
dated you dated a married woman. I guess I'm just
double checking.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, No, I was like, I mean, I was ready
to settle down. I think I was past my I mean,
I like being married, you know, I thought it was
really nice.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But yeah, but eventually it ended.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it is, you know, because my wife had been
married before, and she kind of thought that it was
you know, when rough patches come, you just run to
something else, you know. Yeah, unfortunate. But we're very good
friends now for the long time. But you care about
our grandchildren very much. We have that in common.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That is so good. Yeah. So, so then at that
point you are in your I'm just trying to think
of the Dale, the Dale dating timeline. You're now in
your when you're divorced forty three, Okay, and just to confirm,
you have not been married since then. No, so you've
been in the dating game since forty three and you're
currently sixty nine. I'd love to talk about that dating
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time because that already you already have so much under
your belt and now you're, you know, a little bit older.
What was dating like pretty much then until now that
that I'd love to kind of focus on of like
what are like. I'm sure like a lot of first dates,
like people kind of mentioned like, oh, you're divorced, do
you have kids? Like, I'm sure that affected a lot
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of impressions and relationships like going on in, going on out.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I dated some women who were divorced and had kids.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Okay, so you generally would like date other people who
were also divorced.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Right exactly. And I dated one or she was just jealous.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Jealous of who she was just jealous of, you know, wherever.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I win knew I was with, and it was just
like exasperating, you know. But she was a nice person
and me and her son are still friends to this day.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That makes so much sense. Dale, I know you, I mean,
just knowing you for the past year, You're so easy
I think to get along with. And it makes so
much sense that like you make a friend and you're
like you're in for life.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah. Well, I like to consider myself a loyal friend,
you know what I'm saying. It takes a long time
for people to understand that. Sometimes. Yeah, in my fifties,
people started saying, oh, Dale, you got to get married.
And I was ended up being a single parent with Brittany,
and so that brought on different challenges. So I had
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to try to bring women around that were kind of
like wholesome, you know what I'm saying, because her mother
was difficult situation and she was dealing with social disease drinking,
and that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Kind of made you step up more as a dad.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But everybody wanted me to everybody that knew me, they said, well,
you just got to get married, you know, she's a mom.
But it was, but it wasn't you know, it's not
easy like that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know, you have to marry somebody and you have
a couple, like long lasting relationships between your baby's mama
and your ex wife where it's like, I'm not just
going to jump into a relationship. Yeah, you're you. You've learned,
which is exactly you've learned.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I like to think that I don't make the same
mistake twice.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Hopefully, or if we do make the same mistake twice,
we realize how dumb it was.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Kick yourself exactly. Yeah, dating women, you know, as I
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as I progressed and I'm kind of getting ahead of
myself maybe. But when I turned fifty, you know, people
are telling me, oh, get it, you know, it's okay
to be on an app. But I think I'm a
helpless romantic.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You mean, like like Oka.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Tender wasn't even around back in you know, in.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The fifties, you were, that was years ago. That was
in the two thousands. They had dating apps in the
two thousands. I was just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They had one or two. People used to tell me
to do that, But I'm a help, as I said,
helpless romance. I like looking at black and white movies
for the drama in them and the romance. And I
just felt that if you have to get an go
on an app, it doesn't happen organically. Yeah well yeah,
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I thought it was like, you know, you put your
best foot forward. You lie about this, you lie about that.
You know what I'm saying, you know, like sort of
like maybe you know you I sing up a resume,
you know.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly, but you wouldn't lie right there.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's probably why I didn't go on the apps. I could,
I could spend one, you know, so, but anyway, I
like meeting people just organically, and you know, and people
tell me I'm a social butterfly, So I like doing
different things and meeting different people. You just start working
on something, you're dating other people. You're not serious, but
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you have one that you always care about, you know.
And I think that happened some of the dates. The
women that I dated, I think I chose because they
were so cute. They were just jealous, you know, once
a person decides that they want to be controlling and
not really open, I kind of like cut it off. Before,
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when I was maybe in my forties, I probably would
tolerate it a little bit, but now right now I
don't have time.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, I love that. And also you've just learned here.
It's like I have dated too many people who are
trying to be jealous and controlling. I've seen the way
this goes. We're ending this now, so hey, that's a
nice advantage, right to dating with experience exactly. And And
may I just want to go back for a second.
You said you were meeting a lot of these women
in like social settings. I know, I know a lot
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of people I talked to who are on my age
are struggling, so hard with meeting people in like social settings.
So where did you normally meet the women that you dated?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Private parties? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, see that makes more sense than like, I wasn't
really just.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Catching like a lot of my friends say, well, I
catch a lot of girls at the club. You know
what I'm saying. That wasn't me. I was more into
the party.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
How long, on average would you date some of these women,
like for a year or two couple of months.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, it was, I mean it was at least six
seven months, you know, almost a year before you had to,
you know, like move to something else you found out
that it wasn't going to work out or whatever. But
I wouldn't. I'd give I'd give them an honest chance
and a run for their money.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Don't don't let me put you on the spot. There
was that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You can't put me on this spot?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Get out? Do you do? You think you know the
rough number of people that you've dated in your lifetime
so far? I'm sorry I could tell a friend on
the spot, but I guess just I didn't. I don't
think I knew you dated so many people in your
forties and fifties. I'm like, oh, dang, Yeah. Now I'm
I'm kind of curious of how many people you've dated.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, before I got married, I dated a few I
would say, like maybe maybe fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Women before you were married.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, okay, I was out there a little bit. Yeah,
I got married. Then after that it just picked back up.
I guess after I got divorced. I was in a
long time relationship with young He was younger than I was,
a lot younger, like she was nineteen.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Holy cow, how old were you when you dated a
nineteen year old?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I was forty four years old.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, that's a huge age difference. You're double her age
at that point, more than double her age. Yeah, that
must have been an interesting relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah. She was going to Pepperdine College and I was
working with her sister, and one day her sister asked
me to pick up her her sister, and I was
trying to hit on the sister because she's kind of
cute too.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Your a nineteen year old girlfriend's sister. Yeah, your dog?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah? No, I was, well, you could call the dog anyway,
and then the sister, out of the clear blue sky,
just told me, you know, look, I don't know whether
it was like sister envy or whatever. But she was
just into me, you know what I'm saying. Immediately, So
I went with the flow. Oh yeah, but it ended
(26:27):
up causing a lot of pain because at that time
I almost reconciled with my ex wife. I had just
kind of like cut it off, but I knew it
wasn't going to go anywhere because she was too young.
But she's a doctor now in Ohio with a family.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, always keep in touch. I'm not saying it sounds
like I said, you get loyal friends. Yeah. May I
say a lot of the lot of the women that
you've dated, do you stay in close contact with a
lot of some of them?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I do? You know if it took deductive, you know,
a relationship, but if it's negative, I kind of like
shot away from it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And so this was like your forties and fifties dating
a lot. How much did you date in your sixties?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Not much. I had a pituitary tumor, oh that I
was dealing with for about five six years and became disabled.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And did you date at all during that time? With
smooth cancer? And no, I know you were in a wheelchair, right.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I ended up being in getting in a wheelchair, and
I didn't date too much in the wheelchair, very sporadically,
just a lot of women that were just really interested
in me, but I wasn't really interested. I wasn't into them,
you know, so to.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Speak a little humble brag there, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah. But then when I was in a wheelchair, a
friend of mine came and I was really interested in,
you know, like really settling down again and getting trying
to get married. You know, I guess because I was
in the.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wheelchair, and this was when you were like run sixty five,
sixty four, early sixty early sixteen.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Ten, twelve years ago. I really wanted to change my
whole demeanor and I wanted to say I wanted only
ones to date women who were interested in marriage. That
I got out of the wheelchair and now I'm walking
and driving and everything. But then the COVID hit and
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that slowed everything down for about.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Three You know, I think a lot of people weren't
dating in twenty twenty one, So it's completely understandable.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
In order to be dating, it's all timing. Okay, you
could have somebody that likes you and then you know,
and if you don't pursue it, or you don't work
hard enough, like I said, we're hard enough on the relationship,
it goes somewhere else, or it goes down to different
you know. I mean, I'm not actually uh in a
(29:05):
relationship I would love to be in my lady you
use ladies, I'm out. I'm available seventy and still got it.
I don't know what god that is.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But you got something something, you got something amazing. But
I assume like the last couple of dates you've been on, uh,
do you think considered them like really different from when
you were dating when you were like in your twenties
and thirties. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I had a friend that I dated in and she
kind of like pursued me, but she was like a
multi millionaires or whatever, and she was just too controlling.
And I told her, look, you know, my bills are paid.
I don't need to I don't need your money. If
you want to be happy, let's be happy together, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, But I'm not going to
(29:53):
be bullied because you you know, you have more money
than I do. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah? And may I ask do you you are you
looking for individuals to date around your same age range
or younger or older.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm gonna just say, if it's organically grown, anything can happen. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. I like that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I've noticed these a couple episodes of this of this
show so far that a lot of my guests are like,
you know what, I'm just going with the flow. It's like, yeah,
you don't know what life's gonna throw it to, what
people you're gonna meet.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think I think when you get my age, you
kind of like figure it out that if it's there
and it's it's happening, you should go with it. And
as you get older, you become more flexible and more
I guess, more pliable, and you're not as rigid as
you were in your Maybe after I got divorced, I
was looking for a certain kind of woman.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So dating at this age, obviously you said you had
a lot of advantages of like your experience and like
you've already said too of like when you see a
relationship going in a direct, you're just like cut bail.
Are there any other like advantages you'd say of like
dating in your late sixties almost seventies, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I think you want you have to listen to a
person and then it tells you where they're, where their
head is at. And I like being friends. I think
that starts out meaning something to me. Yeah, and so
if that develops into something that can be more, I
(31:29):
would love it. But you know, having a good friendship
means a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You know, that's amazing. And when you were younger, did
you not really valuate I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't think. I don't think I valued the friendship
type of thing. I valued a lot of different other
things that came with being involved with you know, the
female sex.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah bad.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And you know, because
you have to have time to be somebody's.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Friend, It's true time. Friendship is a relationship. For sure,
It's hopefully not as demanding as a as a.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Dating relationship, but it still takes time and you still,
you know, you have to be there. I'm going to
just tell you. After I became a certain age, I
noticed that the relationships where I did the chasing worked
out a lot better than people. The women who chased.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Me interesting, So I think that's, uh, you just got
good taste.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah exactly, you know, you just you had to cut
them off. At the knees, so to speak. You know
what I'm saying, you don't have time for bad energy.
You know what I'm saying, you have you know, you
should have time for a lot of things that make
you happy and that excite you. You know what I'm saying.
You don't have time.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know, But do you look fondly on like all
most of your relationships, like whether you've learned from them
or that they like help shape who you are, or
that you at least had like good times, good experiences.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
For the most part, I've had good experiences. But you know,
relationships sometimes you get your heart broken, break hearts, you know,
you know, that's just that's life. But you know, all
in all, right now in my seventies, I'm looking to
get married and settled out.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So you're not jaded after all of like some you know,
crappy experiences, after a divorce, after the baby's mama, like
you're still like eager looking for love and look at
the together.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You know, I think that you know when you when
you review it all, you know, you know, if you
go back and look at the type of relationships that
you were in or are having, you just like try
to get the best out of it. And right now
I think I'm like wiser and older and looking for
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somebody who's definitely mature and who wants to just have fun,
you know, and be in a loving relationship. Because I'm
I'm a giver from my heart. Yeah, I like to
make I like to make women happy.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
One of the things that I hope other people happy
to men and and and not so much men.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But anyway, you know, I like giving women compliments, you know,
And you know, I'm in a like I go to
this Senior Citizen Center and I just compliment most women
who walk by and every you know, I take a
moment to say, how you doing, You're looking good? I
like their color on you or whatever. You know what,
I'm saying something positive about them because.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You like women.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, that's it, you know what I'm saying. Let them
know that somebody's you know, looking at them in a
different light, you know what I'm saying, rather than just
sitting down and playing cards with them, and you know, yeah,
have a good day.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, as long as it's not like creepy, I feel
like compliments are fine. Yeah, Like if you say, like, hey,
that looks like that's a really nice shirt. It's like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Compliment on you know, and be real about it, not fake.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But if it's just a very genuine, like good feeling compliment,
because you know, that's like the big excuse of like
men nowadays you can't compliment a woman. It's like, yes,
you can just be nice. Yeah, just don't be nice
and just don't like objectify them.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And don't know, if you're objectifying you you're not looking
at at them as a person, looking at what you
can get self gratification or get from them. The other
thing is this is that you know, as I said,
I'm a giving person. So I like to give compliments.
I like to give gifts, small gifts when I have
(35:37):
a game here where I have in my house a
poker game, and all the women I give gifts to
a little small little trinkets does not expense.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But the men, any other person, you're just like the guys.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I give a deck of cards too, you know, and
I'm not gonna give them anything like jewelry or you
know a little something that you know remember them. And
then I like cooking. I'm a cook, and that's that
they one of the things that I like. And if
somebody enjoys it so much the better, you know what
I'm saying, And like I try to tell you, I'm
a loyal friend.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's really cool that, like you can look back at
your past and then you've learned so much, but you're
still like hopeful, Like do you believe in a soulmate? Yeah,
I got a little puzzle there, No, I think.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean at my age, if it happens and I
see it, yeah, I believe in it. You know, you
got to be in a relationship with somebody who understands you,
you know what I'm saying, you know, not just get you.
But number one wants to be in a relationship. A
lot of people don't want to be in a relationship.
(36:44):
They want to be in it for a certain thing,
you know, whether it's financial benefits or sexual whatever. But
a relationship, loving relationship is all of those things plus
caring for somebody, you know, making sure that they're you know, happy,
and you know when they're not happy, you know, can
(37:04):
you lighten their load?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know, it's got very sweet. I love it. I
love I love We're coming towards the end of our interview,
but I love this this sentimental ending of just like
good advice for all around dating, no matter, just like
how this podcast is all about dating in different like fields.
That's just good advice for any relationship. Yeah, of course
it is. I'm dale like good, so I'll send my checks.
(37:34):
So do you do have do you have advice for
people who who are dating, maybe if they're dating someone
who is over fifty, or anyone who's also dating in
your age range, or really anyone? Do you have any
any last minute advice for for dating?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, don't be don't date and act your age.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Don't act your age? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Some people act seventy or older. You know, they forget
this spdineity of the excitement of a relationship and they
become I don't have time, I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
This and I but I want to say, I like that,
don't actor age. I one of my old bosses who's
one of my favorite people, he had a shirt that said,
like you have to grow old, you don't have to
grow up. And I love that. Yeah, because I yeah, absolutely,
I feel like that's that's the most fun you're going
to have. It's like looking for wonder and you.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Know you can't you if you go into any relationship
talking about the past, you won't have a future in
a relationship. Yeah. If you talk about things that you
want to have in common or have in common, you
could share a moment, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
that's it. As I said, it has to be organic,
(39:00):
like dating apps, even though some people say they found love.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I know a lot of people who've met through
dating apps. But it does seem sometimes like it could
be forced. But hey, if it works right, maybe you
just need a little push to find each other.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Absolutely, I like, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Like bumping into somebody around the corner.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah. I think a lot of people do. I think
I know a lot of people still like that, that
serendipitous nature of just finding someone who you just connect with. Yeah,
before we go, is there any projects you're working on
that you want to like, tell ever ever about. Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And this is because Maddie stays so busy. She inspired
me to stay busy and even in my seventies. I'm
creating a t shirt line called where the Thought dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Where the Thought. Like you like, you're wearing something where
the Thought and it's thought t h oh you g
it's not th h ot, it's where the Thought like
I think of thought. Yeah, the thoughts, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Okay, I think you could wear it on a T shirt. Yes,
And I have up to five hundred sayings in different
like different categories. So I'm doing that. And then I'm
doing a jazz podcast hopefully I'll get it off the
ground after the beginning of the year, called jazz Q
Bring a Little Sauce in Jazz from the twenties to
(40:24):
the sixties.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Whoa, and it's jazz Q is in q u e yeah?
Qu okay, just qu or just cue. I guess you'll
find out. I guess because the podcast doesn't come.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Out just but it is bad. But it's gonna be
jazz Q just just the letter Q. But it could
be jazz. Yeah, it's sauce, wetting sauce to the jazz
I like.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
A little house. Well, that's very sweet of you that.
I then I inspired you to work on stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Stay busy.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I do love being busy. Yeah, thank you, well, Dale,
I really put you coming on, and thank you so
much for just talking about all your experiences and just
being an overall big old sweetheart and teddy bear good good.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
As the elevator landed, have a good life.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh my god, I love Dale. That was so much fun.
Honestly crazy that some of the relationships that he's had,
the married woman, the sister relationship like that was interesting.
But you know what, I think the big takeaway for
me anyways, is that he's learned so much through all
of these experiences, the baby mamas and the ex wives
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and all these other relationships. He's just learned. He learned
what he needs from a relationship. He knows not to
repeat the mistakes, although I'm sure sometimes we do because
we're human and we do boo boos. Try to think
analytically about your relationships and learn from your mistakes. That's
the only way your next relationship is going to be
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even better. Incredible. I hope you did a little bit
of laughing, loving and learning and learning laughing and loving today.
Thank you again to Met Langston from the Jelly Rocks
for letting us use their song Glued. You can find
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never be open to new hands. Thank you so much,
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see us sinq Ken Nice yeah,
Hello, my King's Queens and in Betweens. My name is
Maddie and I am your host of Ace of Hearts,
a dating podcast from every perspective for any first time listeners. Here.
Ace of Hearts is a dating podcast where I, the
inexperienced and naive asexual that I am, talk to people
(00:20):
with an assortment of different backgrounds and we just talk
about their dating life. And before we get too far
into this, I just want to state that we at
Ace of Hearts have no intention of generalizing any lifestyle, race, gender, disability,
et cetera. Our desire is to hear love stories and
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sometimes horror stories, but always from people who don't always
get the spotlight. Every person is unique and so is
their story. And today I have a very good friend
of mine that i'm I have for a guest today.
His name is Dale Cannard. Dale would like to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm Dale and I'm Maddie's friend. I'm looking forward to
talking about dating.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Dale. I wanted to bring you onto this podcast just
because you are remind me again of your age.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm sixty nine. I'll be seventy January the eighth coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Rec kensel Mind size way, but you've had a lot
of dating experience and you're still and you're currently single,
(01:49):
not still single, you've obviously dated in the past, not right,
So I just wanted to bring you on today just
talk about like what's the dating scene like now today
and what you're speriences have been in the past and
how they currently affect you today. So Dale, now, obviously
I know you, so I'm able to ask some of
these questions. But I believe you've been married once or
(02:10):
twice before, no once, you've been married once before, and
you have a couple of kids, even grandkids right exactly now,
I'm I think a lot of people in the dating
scene generalizing are in their twenties or even thirties, maybe
with kids, maybe without some divorce. But you obviously have
like this culmination of experience, and I'd love to hear
(02:34):
you some some fun stories of all the of all
the years in which you've been dating and what it's
like now. So if you don't mind, like why don't
we just do like some bullet points of like your
life and your dating experiences. So I'll admit I'm kind
of cheating the questions a little bit because I know
you but I believe you. When did you first have
your first kid?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh? Very young. I started when I was seventeen years old.
I had a son, so he's in his fifty now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That relationship was very informative, you know, saying, shit.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You're seventeen, absolutely right, that you're you're still practically a kid, kay, exactly,
and now you have a kid.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I was raised a kid, raising a kid, yeah exactly.
But I took care of him, and even though I
didn't marry his mother, I went to court to legalize
him as my son, and so I wanted to always
be in his life, which I am. And he has
two grand two of my grandchildren. And then later on
(03:36):
I married and have my daughter, and she has two grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you married someone different than the person you had your.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
First person, yeah exactly, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, Well, i'd love to talk about So when you're
seventeen and you said you took care of your son,
but you didn't marry this woman you had your son with.
Were you still dating around? How long are you with
this person?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Not long? Because I knew it wasn't gonna work. I
would have married her, except there were some family issues
on her side and I didn't think it was gonna work,
but she ended up becoming a Jovah witnesses jove A
witness and wanted more kids. And I couldn't see having
more kids when I was, you know, less than twenty
(04:22):
years old.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, no, that's smart. I would argue that the smart
decision of like, bro, I'm a child, this kid, which
you know, not like throwing any shade at your son.
But is it fair to say that your first son
was an accident?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, a mixed blessing, nicoll it, I call it blessing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That is so sweet. Yeah, that's a much better way
to say it. Yeah, exactly, But that's very smart. I
would say, if you're under twenty having multiple kids, especially
if you're not like super financially stable, is it's a
smart decision to hold off on more kids, I would argue, Obviously,
everyone has.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Their own Yeah, I just waited too long. I think
I waited fourteen years to have kids.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You were four.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wait, no, no, no, I said, I waited fourteen more
years to have another.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh okay, sorry, so.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, I didn't go backwards.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, but Benjamin button in over years.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So then you were with this woman for a couple
of years, but then you continue to date afterwards, and
when did you separate from this first first partner?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Probably three years later, so you were like twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
One, Yeah, no, no, twenty, you were twenty, that's right,
you said seventeen, I could do math. Math is old.
So you're twenty with the sun and then you're dating, right,
So how was that? Like, I mean, obviously this was
I can do math forty fifty years ago. Fifty years ago, yes, yeah, sorry,
(05:52):
almost almost fifty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Half a century maddie.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, so that would be the seventy yes.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, fast rowing seventies.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yes, yeah, exactly. So then you're what was what was
it like at that point, being a being a father
and in the dating scene in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well, it was I mean there were plenty of women
and you know we were what was that, Oh, I said,
everybody was getting high at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh. I love it. I love how you make a
gesture to me, But like this is I said, I said,
I just think it. Mostly it's funny that we're in
a podcast and you're making a gesture. I'm like, I
don't our listeners can't see that you're that you're smoking
a toe, like I want to.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Say it for sure. Yeah, so, I mean, you know,
it was like experimental drugs, a lot of smoking the marijuana,
and parties, and I was somewhat the life of the party,
I thought you were saying. Yeah exactly. My mother told
me I was burning both cats the candle at both
ends and around the middle because I was just out
(07:00):
funnel of wax. Yeah. Yeah, so she thought I was
into a lot of different things, but it was. I mean,
I just like going out and doing different things, you know. Yeah,
Like I was going to the Troubadour when I was
seventeen or eighteen years old. You know, I don't know
(07:20):
what that is. The Troubadour is a club known for
its rock and roll bands and some jazz back in
the seventies, and it was an exclusive club in Beverly Hills.
But one memorable memorable date that I'd like to talk
about is my experience with dating a married woman my
(07:43):
first time.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh shoot, how old were you when that happened the
first time? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Boy, dall, it was like twenty two.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, dang, and you were dating a married woman who
I assume was not telling her husband about this situation.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
What happened is one day I'd been out partying and
I knew my sister, she's a bowler. She was at
this bowling alley and I stopped by. I saw her
car out there, so I stopped by just to watch
them bowl or you know, do something. And this lady, beautiful, attractive,
(08:22):
young lady, came and sat on my lap. And I'm
trying to figure out, you know, why am I so lucky?
You're and my sister and her best friend was trying
to tell me, you know, she her husband's over there.
You know, they're trying to, you know, tell me she's married,
you know, And I guess she was unhappy. But anyway,
(08:47):
to make a long story short, the that dating situation
made my hair fall out because I was nervous all
the time.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Your hair fell out? Yes, like like I assume the
hair on your head?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yes, okay, they're on my hand.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, the eyebrows are.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Eyebirds were intactic. The hair was falling out. It was
like coming out in clumps.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And then my I was and this was because of stress.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, because I was nervous all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
How many dates did you go on with this woman? Okay?
Hold on? She sat on you at the bowling alley
and then you're like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Date? Yeah, we went on a date and some other
dates after that, and it was exciting. But I always
thought that it was something that I was not used
to because I didn't consider myself to be a dog.
And then to find out that he was a minister, you.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Know, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And the way I would always call her at night
and talk to her was your you know, good sweet
dreams and everything else while her husband was in the bathroom.
But unbeknownst to me, when she finally told me he
was in there writing love letters to his girlfriend, he.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Had someone on the side too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Now I wasn't around in the seventies, but uh I
was born yet. Was that kind of common?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
No? No, okay, no, no, that wasn't common. No, no, no, no,
that was That was my first experience. And then I
learned from there that married women have a different point
of view, and you really have to be uh not
care about people to be in a relationship where it
hurts somebody, you know what I'm saying. Whether I didn't
(10:43):
know he had you know, his own thing going, but sure,
she she uh coaxed me up into her apartment and
that was really, uh, you know, nervous. I remember this
old joke about the guys in bed with this woman
in the years, the keys rattling, you know, and he
(11:05):
raises up and he says, what is that? And she said, oh,
that's my husband. And so he thinks for a minute
and he says, well, he where's your back door? She says,
I don't have one, and he thinks for another minute.
He says, what do you want one?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That took me a good like five seconds to get
but then.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I got it. Yeah. Yeah, she was really exciting and
everything else, but it was just taxing on my nerves
to know, because we were like hiding, you know what
I'm saying. And then she was a friend of my
sister and her best friend and one day we were
driving down the down venice and there was a fire
(11:49):
in the Midtown shopping center. I don't know if you
guys know this, but anyway, my sister and her friend
were walking across the crosswalk and I had to duck down,
and I thought they were I thought they would see me,
you know what I'm saying, recognize my car, But they
were talking, but stuff like it.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Was like, your sister didn't know that you kept dating
this married woman. She she was there when you when
she sat on your lap. She was all like she's married,
and you're like, yeah, you did not tell your sister.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
She was cute, you know, you know. And uh so
that lasted all probably about maybe a year.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh wow, that's a while.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And she ended up divorcing him. And she's happily married
with kids now not you, not me, happily married to
someone else.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, but like you had a kid during that whole time, Like,
did that affect your relationship or was he mostly.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
With No, he was one with his mom and then
his stepdad, you know, which she ended up having four
more kids, like you're my baby's mama.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
If you were not. Oh yeah, the baby's mama.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, not baby mama, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Whatever. But yeah, so she got married and had more kids.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Four brothers and one sister. Oh wow, so she I.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Guess it kind of worked out for her. She got
the kids as she wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but she ended up divorcing him because he cheated
on her. Oh my goodness. And then she calls me
up like about god, it must have been like maybe
thirty years later, I mean maybe not thirty years maybe
about fifteen or twenty years later, and says that she
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only loved me, and my son said, oh nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
My god, that that drinks a whole other complication.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Right, Yeah, it was funny. I told her, I said,
you know, you had four kids and you need to
talk to me, talking to your husband, not me. Yeah,
the boat is sailed, baby.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You gotta need a life, some sort of life preservation
right to catch up with me. I'm a I'm in
the middle of the oce show.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
A whole other realm.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I'm in another ocean. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you know, in dating, you always want to
assume that you know, when you're seventeen or twenty, you
don't want to hear the same thing you know that
women are talking about when you're thirty or in your thirties.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I mean, you know they have to be able to
say something it's not more about it's not I mean,
I think when it was twenty it was about like
a lot of sex and getting high. And when you
was in my thirties, I was more serious about relationships
and wanted to delve in a lot of different things
about personality and.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, you were growing as a person exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, so the relationship and what you what you were
listening to, what you were wanted from a woman totally changed.
It wasn't just sex, it was understanding.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It was.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Being able to uh so to speak, let your hair
down around the person that you're with. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, I feel like in your twenties you're pretty much
just a big kid. You're still like, have no idea
what's going on. I don't think you're really expected to
make huge life altering decisions. People do all the time,
but you're you're still so young, and like that's your
first taste of adulthood and it's tough. It's really it's
it's a tough situation in your twenties. But at the
(15:27):
same time, it's also necessary, right to become a more
mature adult, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I had a son, so I had to support him.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So I had to yeah, man, real quick.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, put off going to college, not finishing college, and
you know, because I had to have a job to
support him. And yeah, so things changed, but it worked
out for the best.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah. And then when did you meet your wife? You're
now ex wife?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Uh yeah, well, one day I was at an apartment
and it was upstairs, and I had a friend that
lived downstairs, and he was telling me about his partner.
They were in construction. She he had a cute sister.
So one day, uh, something happened and he invited me
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downstairs and was his partner, his wife and the sister,
and I said, right in front of her and we
kind of like clicked. It was like something's interesting here,
you know. And that's how that's how it started, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And then and then you got married married immediately, No,
I assume some time pasted, Yeah, about two years. Yeah, yeah,
and this was when you were in your maybe you're
in your thirties now. Okay, this is a great little
timeline we're making. By the way, you're dating dating Dale's
dating timeline.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, so you're in your thirties and you're now married
to uh.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Missus D missus D. Yes, the class of missus D. Yeah,
I took the class.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And how long were you married with missus Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
For thirteen years?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay? Dang? And you have one kid with her right? Ye?
One kid? Yeah? Uh so so then you were married
for a couple of years or not a couple of years,
full freaking decade. Right, So then obviously I assume you
weren't dating during that time.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, I tried not to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
No, No, that's smart. No, I mean about saying you
dated you dated a married woman. I guess I'm just
double checking.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, No, I was like, I mean, I was ready
to settle down. I think I was past my I mean,
I like being married, you know, I thought it was
really nice.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But yeah, but eventually it ended.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it is, you know, because my wife had been
married before, and she kind of thought that it was
you know, when rough patches come, you just run to
something else, you know. Yeah, unfortunate. But we're very good
friends now for the long time. But you care about
our grandchildren very much. We have that in common.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That is so good. Yeah. So, so then at that
point you are in your I'm just trying to think
of the Dale, the Dale dating timeline. You're now in
your when you're divorced forty three, Okay, and just to confirm,
you have not been married since then. No, so you've
been in the dating game since forty three and you're
currently sixty nine. I'd love to talk about that dating
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time because that already you already have so much under
your belt and now you're, you know, a little bit older.
What was dating like pretty much then until now that
that I'd love to kind of focus on of like
what are like. I'm sure like a lot of first dates,
like people kind of mentioned like, oh, you're divorced, do
you have kids? Like, I'm sure that affected a lot
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of impressions and relationships like going on in, going on out.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I dated some women who were divorced and had kids.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Okay, so you generally would like date other people who
were also divorced.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Right exactly. And I dated one or she was just jealous.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Jealous of who she was just jealous of, you know, wherever.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I win knew I was with, and it was just
like exasperating, you know. But she was a nice person
and me and her son are still friends to this day.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That makes so much sense. Dale, I know you, I mean,
just knowing you for the past year, You're so easy
I think to get along with. And it makes so
much sense that like you make a friend and you're
like you're in for life.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah. Well, I like to consider myself a loyal friend,
you know what I'm saying. It takes a long time
for people to understand that. Sometimes. Yeah, in my fifties,
people started saying, oh, Dale, you got to get married.
And I was ended up being a single parent with Brittany,
and so that brought on different challenges. So I had
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to try to bring women around that were kind of
like wholesome, you know what I'm saying, because her mother
was difficult situation and she was dealing with social disease drinking,
and that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Kind of made you step up more as a dad.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But everybody wanted me to everybody that knew me, they said, well,
you just got to get married, you know, she's a mom.
But it was, but it wasn't you know, it's not
easy like that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know, you have to marry somebody and you have
a couple, like long lasting relationships between your baby's mama
and your ex wife where it's like, I'm not just
going to jump into a relationship. Yeah, you're you. You've learned,
which is exactly you've learned.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I like to think that I don't make the same
mistake twice.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Hopefully, or if we do make the same mistake twice,
we realize how dumb it was.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Kick yourself exactly. Yeah, dating women, you know, as I
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as I progressed and I'm kind of getting ahead of
myself maybe. But when I turned fifty, you know, people
are telling me, oh, get it, you know, it's okay
to be on an app. But I think I'm a
helpless romantic.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
You mean, like like Oka.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Tender wasn't even around back in you know, in.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The fifties, you were, that was years ago. That was
in the two thousands. They had dating apps in the
two thousands. I was just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
They had one or two. People used to tell me
to do that, But I'm a help, as I said,
helpless romance. I like looking at black and white movies
for the drama in them and the romance. And I
just felt that if you have to get an go
on an app, it doesn't happen organically. Yeah well yeah,
(22:17):
I thought it was like, you know, you put your
best foot forward. You lie about this, you lie about that.
You know what I'm saying, you know, like sort of
like maybe you know you I sing up a resume,
you know.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly, but you wouldn't lie right there.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's probably why I didn't go on the apps. I could,
I could spend one, you know, so, but anyway, I
like meeting people just organically, and you know, and people
tell me I'm a social butterfly, So I like doing
different things and meeting different people. You just start working
on something, you're dating other people. You're not serious, but
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you have one that you always care about, you know.
And I think that happened some of the dates. The
women that I dated, I think I chose because they
were so cute. They were just jealous, you know, once
a person decides that they want to be controlling and
not really open, I kind of like cut it off. Before,
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when I was maybe in my forties, I probably would
tolerate it a little bit, but now right now I
don't have time.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, I love that. And also you've just learned here.
It's like I have dated too many people who are
trying to be jealous and controlling. I've seen the way
this goes. We're ending this now, so hey, that's a
nice advantage, right to dating with experience exactly. And And
may I just want to go back for a second.
You said you were meeting a lot of these women
in like social settings. I know, I know a lot
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of people I talked to who are on my age
are struggling, so hard with meeting people in like social settings.
So where did you normally meet the women that you dated?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Private parties? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, see that makes more sense than like, I wasn't
really just.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Catching like a lot of my friends say, well, I
catch a lot of girls at the club. You know
what I'm saying. That wasn't me. I was more into
the party.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
How long, on average would you date some of these women,
like for a year or two couple of months.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, it was, I mean it was at least six
seven months, you know, almost a year before you had to,
you know, like move to something else you found out
that it wasn't going to work out or whatever. But
I wouldn't. I'd give I'd give them an honest chance
and a run for their money.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Don't don't let me put you on the spot. There
was that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You can't put me on this spot?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Get out? Do you do? You think you know the
rough number of people that you've dated in your lifetime
so far? I'm sorry I could tell a friend on
the spot, but I guess just I didn't. I don't
think I knew you dated so many people in your
forties and fifties. I'm like, oh, dang, Yeah. Now I'm
I'm kind of curious of how many people you've dated.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, before I got married, I dated a few I
would say, like maybe maybe fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Women before you were married.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, okay, I was out there a little bit. Yeah,
I got married. Then after that it just picked back up.
I guess after I got divorced. I was in a
long time relationship with young He was younger than I was,
a lot younger, like she was nineteen.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Holy cow, how old were you when you dated a
nineteen year old?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I was forty four years old.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, that's a huge age difference. You're double her age
at that point, more than double her age. Yeah, that
must have been an interesting relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah. She was going to Pepperdine College and I was
working with her sister, and one day her sister asked
me to pick up her her sister, and I was
trying to hit on the sister because she's kind of
cute too.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Your a nineteen year old girlfriend's sister. Yeah, your dog?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah? No, I was, well, you could call the dog anyway,
and then the sister, out of the clear blue sky,
just told me, you know, look, I don't know whether
it was like sister envy or whatever. But she was
just into me, you know what I'm saying. Immediately, So
I went with the flow. Oh yeah, but it ended
(26:27):
up causing a lot of pain because at that time
I almost reconciled with my ex wife. I had just
kind of like cut it off, but I knew it
wasn't going to go anywhere because she was too young.
But she's a doctor now in Ohio with a family.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, always keep in touch. I'm not saying it sounds
like I said, you get loyal friends. Yeah. May I
say a lot of the lot of the women that
you've dated, do you stay in close contact with a
lot of some of them?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I do? You know if it took deductive, you know,
a relationship, but if it's negative, I kind of like
shot away from it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And so this was like your forties and fifties dating
a lot. How much did you date in your sixties?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Not much. I had a pituitary tumor, oh that I
was dealing with for about five six years and became disabled.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And did you date at all during that time? With
smooth cancer? And no, I know you were in a wheelchair, right.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I ended up being in getting in a wheelchair, and
I didn't date too much in the wheelchair, very sporadically,
just a lot of women that were just really interested
in me, but I wasn't really interested. I wasn't into them,
you know, so to.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Speak a little humble brag there, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah. But then when I was in a wheelchair, a
friend of mine came and I was really interested in,
you know, like really settling down again and getting trying
to get married. You know, I guess because I was
in the.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wheelchair, and this was when you were like run sixty five,
sixty four, early sixty early sixteen.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Ten, twelve years ago. I really wanted to change my
whole demeanor and I wanted to say I wanted only
ones to date women who were interested in marriage. That
I got out of the wheelchair and now I'm walking
and driving and everything. But then the COVID hit and
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that slowed everything down for about.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Three You know, I think a lot of people weren't
dating in twenty twenty one, So it's completely understandable.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
In order to be dating, it's all timing. Okay, you
could have somebody that likes you and then you know,
and if you don't pursue it, or you don't work
hard enough, like I said, we're hard enough on the relationship,
it goes somewhere else, or it goes down to different
you know. I mean, I'm not actually uh in a
(29:05):
relationship I would love to be in my lady you
use ladies, I'm out. I'm available seventy and still got it.
I don't know what god that is.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But you got something something, you got something amazing. But
I assume like the last couple of dates you've been on, uh,
do you think considered them like really different from when
you were dating when you were like in your twenties
and thirties. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I had a friend that I dated in and she
kind of like pursued me, but she was like a
multi millionaires or whatever, and she was just too controlling.
And I told her, look, you know, my bills are paid.
I don't need to I don't need your money. If
you want to be happy, let's be happy together, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, But I'm not going to
(29:53):
be bullied because you you know, you have more money
than I do. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah? And may I ask do you you are you
looking for individuals to date around your same age range
or younger or older.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm gonna just say, if it's organically grown, anything can happen. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. I like that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I've noticed these a couple episodes of this of this
show so far that a lot of my guests are like,
you know what, I'm just going with the flow. It's like, yeah,
you don't know what life's gonna throw it to, what
people you're gonna meet.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think I think when you get my age, you
kind of like figure it out that if it's there
and it's it's happening, you should go with it. And
as you get older, you become more flexible and more
I guess, more pliable, and you're not as rigid as
you were in your Maybe after I got divorced, I
was looking for a certain kind of woman.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So dating at this age, obviously you said you had
a lot of advantages of like your experience and like
you've already said too of like when you see a
relationship going in a direct, you're just like cut bail.
Are there any other like advantages you'd say of like
dating in your late sixties almost seventies, Well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I think you want you have to listen to a
person and then it tells you where they're, where their
head is at. And I like being friends. I think
that starts out meaning something to me. Yeah, and so
if that develops into something that can be more, I
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would love it. But you know, having a good friendship
means a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You know, that's amazing. And when you were younger, did
you not really valuate I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I don't think. I don't think I valued the friendship
type of thing. I valued a lot of different other
things that came with being involved with you know, the
female sex.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah bad.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And you know, because
you have to have time to be somebody's.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Friend, It's true time. Friendship is a relationship. For sure,
It's hopefully not as demanding as a as a.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Dating relationship, but it still takes time and you still,
you know, you have to be there. I'm going to
just tell you. After I became a certain age, I
noticed that the relationships where I did the chasing worked
out a lot better than people. The women who chased.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Me interesting, So I think that's, uh, you just got
good taste.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah exactly, you know, you just you had to cut
them off. At the knees, so to speak. You know
what I'm saying, you don't have time for bad energy.
You know what I'm saying, you have you know, you
should have time for a lot of things that make
you happy and that excite you. You know what I'm saying.
You don't have time.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know, But do you look fondly on like all
most of your relationships, like whether you've learned from them
or that they like help shape who you are, or
that you at least had like good times, good experiences.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
For the most part, I've had good experiences. But you know,
relationships sometimes you get your heart broken, break hearts, you know,
you know, that's just that's life. But you know, all
in all, right now in my seventies, I'm looking to
get married and settled out.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So you're not jaded after all of like some you know,
crappy experiences, after a divorce, after the baby's mama, like
you're still like eager looking for love and look at
the together.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You know, I think that you know when you when
you review it all, you know, you know, if you
go back and look at the type of relationships that
you were in or are having, you just like try
to get the best out of it. And right now
I think I'm like wiser and older and looking for
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somebody who's definitely mature and who wants to just have fun,
you know, and be in a loving relationship. Because I'm
I'm a giver from my heart. Yeah, I like to
make I like to make women happy.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
One of the things that I hope other people happy
to men and and and not so much men.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But anyway, you know, I like giving women compliments, you know,
And you know, I'm in a like I go to
this Senior Citizen Center and I just compliment most women
who walk by and every you know, I take a
moment to say, how you doing, You're looking good? I
like their color on you or whatever. You know what,
I'm saying something positive about them because.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You like women.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, that's it, you know what I'm saying. Let them
know that somebody's you know, looking at them in a
different light, you know what I'm saying, rather than just
sitting down and playing cards with them, and you know, yeah,
have a good day.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, as long as it's not like creepy, I feel
like compliments are fine. Yeah, Like if you say, like, hey,
that looks like that's a really nice shirt. It's like.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Compliment on you know, and be real about it, not fake.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
But if it's just a very genuine, like good feeling compliment,
because you know, that's like the big excuse of like
men nowadays you can't compliment a woman. It's like, yes,
you can just be nice. Yeah, just don't be nice
and just don't like objectify them.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And don't know, if you're objectifying you you're not looking
at at them as a person, looking at what you
can get self gratification or get from them. The other
thing is this is that you know, as I said,
I'm a giving person. So I like to give compliments.
I like to give gifts, small gifts when I have
(35:37):
a game here where I have in my house a
poker game, and all the women I give gifts to
a little small little trinkets does not expense.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But the men, any other person, you're just like the guys.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I give a deck of cards too, you know, and
I'm not gonna give them anything like jewelry or you
know a little something that you know remember them. And
then I like cooking. I'm a cook, and that's that
they one of the things that I like. And if
somebody enjoys it so much the better, you know what
I'm saying, And like I try to tell you, I'm
a loyal friend.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's really cool that, like you can look back at
your past and then you've learned so much, but you're
still like hopeful, Like do you believe in a soulmate? Yeah,
I got a little puzzle there, No, I think.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean at my age, if it happens and I
see it, yeah, I believe in it. You know, you
got to be in a relationship with somebody who understands you,
you know what I'm saying, you know, not just get you.
But number one wants to be in a relationship. A
lot of people don't want to be in a relationship.
(36:44):
They want to be in it for a certain thing,
you know, whether it's financial benefits or sexual whatever. But
a relationship, loving relationship is all of those things plus
caring for somebody, you know, making sure that they're you know, happy,
and you know when they're not happy, you know, can
(37:04):
you lighten their load?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know, it's got very sweet. I love it. I
love I love We're coming towards the end of our interview,
but I love this this sentimental ending of just like
good advice for all around dating, no matter, just like
how this podcast is all about dating in different like fields.
That's just good advice for any relationship. Yeah, of course
it is. I'm dale like good, so I'll send my checks.
(37:34):
So do you do have do you have advice for
people who who are dating, maybe if they're dating someone
who is over fifty, or anyone who's also dating in
your age range, or really anyone? Do you have any
any last minute advice for for dating?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, don't be don't date and act your age.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Don't act your age? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Some people act seventy or older. You know, they forget
this spdineity of the excitement of a relationship and they
become I don't have time, I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
This and I but I want to say, I like that,
don't actor age. I one of my old bosses who's
one of my favorite people, he had a shirt that said,
like you have to grow old, you don't have to
grow up. And I love that. Yeah, because I yeah, absolutely,
I feel like that's that's the most fun you're going
to have. It's like looking for wonder and you.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Know you can't you if you go into any relationship
talking about the past, you won't have a future in
a relationship. Yeah. If you talk about things that you
want to have in common or have in common, you
could share a moment, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
that's it. As I said, it has to be organic,
(39:00):
like dating apps, even though some people say they found love.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I know a lot of people who've met through
dating apps. But it does seem sometimes like it could
be forced. But hey, if it works right, maybe you
just need a little push to find each other.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Absolutely, I like, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Like bumping into somebody around the corner.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah. I think a lot of people do. I think
I know a lot of people still like that, that
serendipitous nature of just finding someone who you just connect with. Yeah,
before we go, is there any projects you're working on
that you want to like, tell ever ever about. Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
And this is because Maddie stays so busy. She inspired
me to stay busy and even in my seventies. I'm
creating a t shirt line called where the Thought dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Where the Thought. Like you like, you're wearing something where
the Thought and it's thought t h oh you g
it's not th h ot, it's where the Thought like
I think of thought. Yeah, the thoughts, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Okay, I think you could wear it on a T shirt. Yes,
And I have up to five hundred sayings in different
like different categories. So I'm doing that. And then I'm
doing a jazz podcast hopefully I'll get it off the
ground after the beginning of the year, called jazz Q
Bring a Little Sauce in Jazz from the twenties to
(40:24):
the sixties.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Whoa, and it's jazz Q is in q u e yeah?
Qu okay, just qu or just cue. I guess you'll
find out. I guess because the podcast doesn't come.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Out just but it is bad. But it's gonna be
jazz Q just just the letter Q. But it could
be jazz. Yeah, it's sauce, wetting sauce to the jazz
I like.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
A little house. Well, that's very sweet of you that.
I then I inspired you to work on stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Stay busy.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I do love being busy. Yeah, thank you, well, Dale,
I really put you coming on, and thank you so
much for just talking about all your experiences and just
being an overall big old sweetheart and teddy bear good good.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
As the elevator landed, have a good life.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh my god, I love Dale. That was so much fun.
Honestly crazy that some of the relationships that he's had,
the married woman, the sister relationship like that was interesting.
But you know what, I think the big takeaway for
me anyways, is that he's learned so much through all
of these experiences, the baby mamas and the ex wives
(41:35):
and all these other relationships. He's just learned. He learned
what he needs from a relationship. He knows not to
repeat the mistakes, although I'm sure sometimes we do because
we're human and we do boo boos. Try to think
analytically about your relationships and learn from your mistakes. That's
the only way your next relationship is going to be
(41:56):
even better. Incredible. I hope you did a little bit
of laughing, loving and learning and learning laughing and loving today.
Thank you again to Met Langston from the Jelly Rocks
for letting us use their song Glued. You can find
the song down in the description and you can find
more of their work. They're great. He is amozing. Please
(42:17):
come back next week for more unconventional love stories and
if you love what you hear, feel free to leave
a review and a rating, and if you think you
have an interesting perspective or story to tell, please send
us an email. Thank you all again, and remember don't
keep your cards too close to your chest or you'll
never be open to new hands. Thank you so much,
(42:39):
see us sinq Ken Nice yeah,
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