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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to a Cross Generations where the voices of black
women unite. I'm your host, Tiffany Cross. Tiffany Cross, Tiffany,
We gather a season elder myself as the middle generation,
and a vibrant young soul for engaging intergenerational conversations, prepared
to engage or hear perspectives that no one.
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Else is happy. You know how we do?
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We create mass You create massic testing testing one, two three.
Tiffany Cross in the place to be. To try to
hate on my style, but I don't care because I'm
in the place with wild hair. I forgot to comb
my hair because I got a loose speechy wave, but
it's all good.
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Because I broke up with Dave. I don't know who
Dave is. Hi, everybody, welcome back to a Cross Generations.
I missed you guys. Listen.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I know a lot of you guys were looking for us.
You was empty. But we are back. We have to
take time to actually tape these episodes, and so we
are so happy to return to you, and I just
want to thank you all for the wonderful feedback we've gotten.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
One.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm so happy y'all were looking for me because I
definitely miss being here with you all every week. But
I was at Essence Fest, I was at the DNC,
I was all over the country. I did speaking engagements
in Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Novada, everywhere, and people constantly told me,
I love across generations. I love hearing the conversations with
elder women, younger women, and you. So I really thank
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you all for rocking with me, because this was a
heartfelt project. I think as Black women, we are so
busy working so hard and pouring ourselves into this democracy,
into this country, into our families, that sometimes we forget
our own humanity. And I wanted to create a safe
space where we could breathe and exhale and be ourselves
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and exchange and a healthy debate or ideology or discomfort
and learning and understanding. And I know it has really
fed my soul and my spirit to have these conversations
each week, and it just makes my heart warm and
expand to hear that you all have shared a net
experience with me. So we plan to keep bringing you
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these episodes each week. We want to hear from you.
We want to hear what topics you want us to
discuss and discover. I'm learning as I go about so
many things, We're coming up on a lot of shows
where my eyes are opened to a lot of things.
We're going to have a show on sexual affluidity.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
We're going to revisit church topics.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You guys had a lot to say about that, So
we're going to talk about church hurt that people who've
been hurt in church.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We're going to talk about online dating.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
A lot of you guys have been texting us and
dming us and telling us what you want us to
talk about. So those are just a few of the
topics that will.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Be coming up. We're going to talk about women in sports.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We've seen that change and take shape over the past
few years, and quite frankly, as the country shifts, we're
about to be led by a black woman president. I
declare it, so I speaking into existence, and so we
want to center our humanity and our politics, quite frankly,
as we continue to define the priorities of this country.
So we have a lot to talk about coming up
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on this half of the season. But before we get
into all that, I really just wanted to take time
to connect with you guys and answer some of the
questions that you've asked our producers that you've DM me
personally or dms are at a cross generations handle, So
let's get into it. So one of the questions that
a lot of you ask is, tiffany where are you?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Where have you been?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So a lot of you get to hear me each
week on Native Land Pod. But I was also traveling
all over the country. So if you watch that, then
you know I was at the DNC in Chicago this year,
and I have to say, watching one of our own
take that stage, it was just a wonderful experience to
be part of. Many of you may be familiar with
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when with black women, this wonderful organization helms by Jotaika Edie.
Maybe one of you, some of you were among the
forty four thousand people who were on that initial call
to help raise money and funds for Vice President Harris
and so connecting with those women in real life and
being surrounded by my sisters as a black woman is
poised to lead this country for the first time, it
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was such an amazing spiritual.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Experience for me.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We I'm so just enthralled with black women the way
that we continue to show up despite all of our hurt,
all of our pain, despite everything this country has done
to us, how we show up every time and save
America from herself. It was so great to have my
spirit elevated. It felt like before that there was this
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collective depression. Quite honestly, you know, this failing democracy, and
you know we were being attacked on every front, and
so it really did collectively lift a lot of our spirits.
But listen, revolutions are messy, right, and so one of
the things that I noticed that the DNC, it was
a lot of protests surrounding the DNC about what's happening
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in Gaza and Israel's.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Wear with hamas.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And so there was a night where I stopped and
I stood there because I wanted to hear their protests.
And hearing these protesters read the names, the many, many names,
over forty thousand deaths. At this point, these particular protesters
just focused on the children who had been killed by
the IDF in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I have to say it was so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And so as a black woman, I'm porn because I'm
in this celebratory mode after our own oppression, our own
violence and hostile oppression. Here to see someone who looks
like me take the helm of a country that is
also funding something that I morally cannot support across the
sea in Gaza, in Middle East. It was just it's
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the duality of our comment. It's a terrain that we
have to navigate, and so as we bear witness and
participate in this revolution, I am perfectly prepared to hold
our leaders accountable and always be on the right side
of history, but also stand in goodness and righteousness and
do what's right. So seeing that juxtaposition at the DNC,
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I have to say it did bring me pause, and
it probably brings a lot of you pause out there.
I am still supporting Vice President Harris. I've taken to
calling her President Elect Harris because I am committed that
it will happen. Yet we do have to hold this
administration accountable for how we show up here when it
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comes to domestic policy and most certainly when it comes
to our foreign policy. So I'm an enthusiastic voter this November.
I hope many of you are as well. But we
don't plan on being quiet about what's good and what's right.
And I take note of a lot of things happening
because I don't want you all to think that because
I heard the protesters on what's happening in Gaza that
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I'm not as empathetic and connected to what's happening in Sudan,
or what's happening in Nigeria and what's happening in Kenya.
There are plenty of hot beds of strife and discord
on the continent where our ancestors are from, and I
take a deep vested interest in that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So a lot happening in the globe.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So this is why this space is so important to me,
because we do deserve those moments where we can just
come together and lock arms and hold hands and shain
a soul, just to connect with each other and remember
our own humanity. So thank you for being curious about
what I've been doing. But that's just some of the
things that I've been doing, and the DNC was definitely
a highlight from the summer. I do want to talk
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about something else, though, because we weren't on the air
and I didn't get the chance to talk about this
with you guys, and that is the debate. I know
it's a few weeks after the debate, but if you're
like me, you may still be riding high, you know,
when Michelle Obama or forever floats forever flowed as Michelle
Obama spoke at the DNC, and you know, we saw
the contrast between where she was at one point when
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she said, you know, when they go low, we go high.
And I think this year she came out and said,
f that I got something to say, and it just
energized us in such a way. And you saw that
same energy with Vice President Harris when she took that stage,
marched across that stage and shook Donald Trump's hand and
looked him in the eye like a black woman can,
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and said, let's have a good debate. She immediately took
control as the adult.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
That she is. And one thing that I found so
incredibly I.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Guess frustrating, but also so very American, is that this
incredibly accomplished woman was on the stage opposite this ill equipped,
politically inept man. She has never lost an election, she
is one of the most qualified candidates that we have
ever had for president of the United States, and she's
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sitting across from a former reality TV star and failed
businessman with not one, not two, but three baby mamas.
Now ask me how we might be looking at this
black woman had those roles been reversed. If she had
three baby daddies out there, if she had declared bankruptcy,
if she had multiple failures in her business, had she
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made racist comments about white people, she would not get
to have footing on that stage. Yet you saw these
two stand there on equal footing.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The fact that there are still at.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Least seventy five million people who are supporting this president
shows that we have such work to do in this country,
and disproportionately that work falls to us. I just thought
on that debate stage, we saw a different Kamala Harris.
I had the privilege to share a stage with her
in twenty nineteen. I've spoken with her publicly and privately,
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and you know, I think it' so long passed to
that we normalize what black women's leadership looks like. And
she's doing that. I mean, she's got the wind in
her back. I mean, she's in her bag, as the
young folks say, and I'm thrilled to see it. I
know a lot of people wanted her to go hard,
you know, I certainly did. I wanted her to go
hard on that debate stage. But what I would say
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about that is we have to remember when as Vice
President Harris hopefully soon to be President Harris. When she speaks,
she is not just speaking to the people in that room.
She's also not just speaking to America. She is on
the global stage. She is speaking to President She of China,
she is speaking to Modi of India, she is speaking
to all kind of global leaders across this country. And
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she had to show that she's the adult. And you know,
I thought she did that beautifully quite frankly, so I
was impressed with her performance, and I thought she hit
every note that she needed to hit. And the thing is,
it's an unfair pressure on her because not only is
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she the candidate, but she has to be someone who
operates as a journalist because our media is failing us.
She has to inform constituents because cable news hosts are
failing us. She has to be a campaigner on that
stage and make her compelling case. I love that it
was no audience and that you just heard from her.
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You know, I think an audience probably would have you know,
I think I think clowns need an audience, you know,
you need somebody to dance for. And I think leaders
can command a room whether there's somebody in it or not,
So I thought.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
She just did a great job. So I know we're late.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I know you all talked about the debate, but a
lot of you all asked how I felt about it,
So that's how I felt about it. I'm excited. I'm
enthusiastic about what November brings. I do wonder if the
debate or the election rather will be decided that night.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
There are a lot of we may go to the courts,
we may have.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Some discord in some of these municipalities. Georgia is now
decidedly a purple state, so and we see the cheating
attempting to happen. The election board here has made it
okay for anyone to challenge a ballot, so hopefully it
will be a decisive victory where we won't have any
of those issues. So you guys tell me what you think.
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I will tell you. There is no hotel in DC.
Everything is booked. And so Jotaica Edie, like we said,
who runs winning with black women. She has given people
a charge and she said, if you have a hotel,
room booked for inauguration but you ain't registered nobody to vote,
then you got.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
To get your parties together.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You got work to do, so I'll leave that topic
on that note, arrived with five and I hope that
you all will be just as enthusiastic to cast the
first vote for a black woman president as I am.
All right, A lot of times people ask me what
do I read? How do I consume content? And so
often somebody's asking me, oh, you didn't see this seeing
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it went viral on TikTok, or oh you didn't see
this thing I've read shared it on Instagram. And I
have to be honest with you, guys. Yes, I consume
social media like all of you, but not not overly,
so I'm not addicted to it. And I have to
say respectfully because I know we're all guilty of this,
but respectfully, social media is eroding our brains.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It really is the big news the past few months.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It seems like every month Shannon Sharp has gone viral
for something. I won't even get into what he's going
viral for right now y'all probably already know, but it
just seems so often that the foolishness rises to the top.
And I think of all the interesting things I consume
on a daily basis, I read about maybe eight to
ten papers every morning. A lot of people ask what
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I read, so I will run through quickly. I always
read The Times first. A lot of people don't like
The New York Times because of the political coverage, but
their global coverage, their world section, their business section, their
technology section, their education section. It is really interesting information
and keeps me up to speed on what's going on.
The Washington Post, the Economists, the Atlanta Journal, Constitution. I
like to know what's going on locally. The Atlantic has
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amazing think pieces. The New Yorker amazing think pieces.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
BBC website.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I like to consume global news because Western media has
a very specific slant to it, So Al Jazeera I
definitely read Al Jazeera, Dallas Morning News. I'll also tap
into Dallas Morning News, LA Times because I think there's
a bias sometimes to East Coast media. Definitely like our
niche media that centers our perspectives, so the Grio, Michael
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Harriet does amazing work over there. The Root. I definitely
read Financial Times to a lesser degree. I do try
to read the Wall Street Journal op ed pages, though,
I you know, the one thing I don't know a
lot about is the markets and financial news, but the
op ed pages of the journal I do find very informative.
I stop watching cable news for obvious reasons, but I
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also will watch BBC News in the morning. I try
to find al zero content when I can. I'm Christian,
I'm in foreign company has a great show. PBS News Hour.
I just find I'm so much more informed. But I
don't want you out to think like I'm so high
brow that I can't get on social media.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
This is how Instagram keeps me addicted.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
If you've known me for five minutes or you've known
me for five years, you know I loves me a
pit bull. I just think pitbulls are the sweetest, cutest,
kindest dogs.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Don't believe the hype. They are amazing dogs.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And so every morning, in between reading I, because I'm
addicted like all of you guys, I'll check Instagram and
I will look at puppy videos and dog videos, and
the intention is to look for fifteen twenty minutes, and
an hour will go by like that because I am
so enthralled and consumed with watch especially of puppy pit
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bull I just they're the most amazing dog. So y'all
don't care about this, but my brief little PSA that
I do want to offer, Please adopt, don't shop. There
are so many pit bulls and shelters all across this
country who need good homes, and they're the most amazing animals.
They're great with kids, they're the easiest to train. They're
velcrow dogs because they're so protective of their families. They
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don't like being home alone. So make sure you have
time to spend with them. But stop going to these breeders.
You guys like go to these shelters. Tens of thousands
of pit bulls are sadly euthanized every month, So when
you're breeding pit bulls, it's hard for me to believe
that you care about dogs. So that's the content I consume.
But I'm concerned about us consuming all this foolishness.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Like everybody can tell me the latest celebrity gossip and
you know, benefit is over again and this was a
big thing, And I just wonder how many of those
folks know what's happening in their local communities, you know,
how many can you tell me who your local congressman is?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Are you registered to vote? Are you reading actual books?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Are you, you know, aware of what's happening domestically and globally,
and you know our role in it as a country,
And a lot of people always say, you know, I
just feel like it's a constant phrase, especially among us.
You know, if I was alive during the Civil Rights movement,
I would be blah blah blah. Whatever you're doing right now,
that's what you would have been doing during the Civil
Rights movement. So if you're on your phone doom scrolling
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or scrolling through celebrity gossip and you're not actively participating
in defending this democracy or contributing to your local community,
I hope that we can find some sort of balance.
If you guys are reading something interesting, please let me know.
If there was an outlet that you go through, there's
a trusted source, please let me know. I'm always looking
to expand my diet of news and information.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Books. I love books.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
One of my favorite books right now is Black af
History by Michael Harriet.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
This book is my bible.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, it is so good you can't even read it
in one sitting. What's so interesting about it is Michael
Harriet was homeschool so he never learned this fictional story
of America. He didn't know that you know, he never
heard the story that Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. He
didn't know the story that, you know, some nice white
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pilgrims rolled up on the Native Americans and they all
got along great.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Like.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
He only learned the truth, and so he wrote that
truth that he researched, that he learned, that he was
educated on, and put it in a book, and it
is just amazing. It not only changes how we feel
about this country, most importantly, it changes how we feel
about ourselves. And we are some goddamn superheroes. Let me
tell you, America would not exist without black folks. So
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that's my reading recommendation. The next time you find yourself
scrolling on TikTok or Instagram for hours, see yourself a
favor and stop. Put a timer on that thing. Don't
give it more than twenty thirty minutes, and then maybe
use the rest of the thirty minutes or hour or
whatever to read something interesting, and maybe you'll pick up
that book because it's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, I hear you. Is there anything positive about social media? Yes?
I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, of course there are things that are positive about
social media. I think it is democratized who has a voice,
because so often we see we are summarily dismissed in
silence in mainstream outlets. And so you know, if CNN
or MSNBC is not centering content that is relevant to us,
then yes, social media has democratized that process. And a
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lot of the reasons why we know what's happening in
Kenya or in Gaza is because people have been brave
enough to capture that imagery and post it on social media.
So social media impacts democracy, and it certainly impacts how
we consume news and information. I will say, though, please
consume responsibly and please share responsibly. Just because someone has
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an iPhone does not a journalist make so you do
want to make sure that you're not spreading misinformation or disinformation.
And that kind of thing is specifically targeted to us.
That's how powerful we are. They specifically target black folks
and brown folks. There are a lot of Latino communities
who are targeted specifically in Spanish language because a lot
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of these social media companies and parent companies do not
have enough native Spanish speakers to combat it.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So shame on those companies.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You need to hire more native Spanish speakers, but also
shame on us if we are contributing and doing the
enemy's work for them.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So, yes, there are.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Positive aspects to social media, but we just want to
make sure that it's positive to our benefit. I'm also
really exhausted with us giving so much of ourselves. We
are just a bottomless bucket of dopeness and culture creation
and defenders of the culture, and so often we put
it out there and they take it and they make money.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Off of it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
So I just I would love for us to find
a way to harness the power of social media that
is more beneficial to the community, not just enriching our pockets,
are not building brands, but building community and enriching ourselves
collectively as a power of one. So I'm not just
crapping on social media. I want you all to know
I consume it too, but I try to not.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Be addicted to it or glued to it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Okay, So another thing, you guys know that my entire
cohort and I a group of black women, all of
us work in media. We take a trip every year
and this year we went back to Mexico. We call
ourselves the Machetes. So it's me Sunny Hawson, who is
co host of The View. Joyanne Reid, who hosts the
primetime show on MSNBC The Readout. Make sure you watch
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her show. Angela Rye, my co host on Native lampod
Aaron Haynes, a brilliant, amazing journalist at the Nineteenth, Latasha
Brown who's doing amazing work in the voting right space,
Alicia Garza, founder of Black Lives Matter, Brittany Pacneck Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You guys know.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Brittany, she's an activist, this tent of Kerry Champion. I
call her the Catwalk Assassin because I've never seen this
chick look bad. She's tall, thin, looks like a model
all the time. And Jamel Hill of course, so you
guys know both of them from ESPN, who's now doing
her own thing and writing beautifully at The Atlantic and
a lot of amazing things coming up from her. But
the ten of us we collectively take a trip every year.
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This year we went back to Mexico, had this amazing
we go. Everywhere we go, we do not leave the property.
We just in time together. And I you know, this
podcast means so much to me because it centers black women,
and I am so fortunate enough to have so many
spaces and to be surrounded by black women where I
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can say what I want to say, and it's a
safe space.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know it won't leave where I can not be judged.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You know, it's like I can exhale, I can breathe,
and we share so much with each other, and you know,
we can talk money and salary and we can talk
you know, men and marriage and relationships and that exist
with us within our lives. And it just means a
lot to me. So I want to encourage you guys. Look,
I men are I love men. I don't ever want
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anybody to be confused.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I love love, love, love, love, love. Love is this
thing one. I love men.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But there is nothing like time spent with my sisters.
It is a feeling that no man can give me.
It is sacred to me. And so I know, you
know a lot of you guys are madly in love,
looking to be madly in love. Married for ten, twenty
thirty fifty years, newly wes, married for a few months.
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I just want you all to be encouraged to find
that safe space with women. Because you put black women
in a room, you could put ten of us. You
could put ten thousand of us in a room, If
one person comes in that room who ain't of us,
who don't look like us, the entire energy ships, that's
how powerful we are just collectively. I don't know y'all,
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but I know you when I see you. I know you,
and you know me. You are me, I am you,
I am yours, you are mine. I told this story before,
I'll tell it again.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Briefly. I was on a flight, and I always get
choked up telling the story. I won't do it today.
Iway get choked up telling the story.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I was on a flight and a black woman got
on the plane and she I don't know her.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
She was old.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
She looked old enough to be my grandma, not just
my mother, but my grandmother. And this is when I
was still on AIRD in MSNBC, and she stopped and
she grabbed my face. Now this is post COVID like
touching somebody's face is real intimate. And she grabbed my
face like this and lifted my head up and looked
at me and she said, oh, it is you. I
didn't know who she was, but she just looked at
me and then just like pat my face and kept walking.
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And the magic of that moment, she knew my face
was hers. To touch my face was hers, to grab
I was hers, She was mine. She was my mother,
my grandmother, my aunt's, my friends, my sister, my cousin.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That is the magic that exists among black women.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And I felt so connected to this woman who I
had never met, and I was so overcome by the
feeling I wept on the I had to cover my
face because if somebody had asked me what's wrong, I couldn't.
I don't even know how to articulate what I was
feeling except for this connection from this elder woman who
just in that brief moment, I felt the love between us.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
And it is amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
How our love and our power can span across generations. Okay,
I just want to say, because somebody is here with
me being petty like zac and a producer was like,
we just want to do a solo episode with just you,
and I'm like, no, I don't want to do that
because that is a long time to be talking.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know, when you're on live.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
TV and something goes wrong, you can feel like two
or three minutes of air. I'm like, I don't have
thirty minutes of content. So she's sitting here telling me
we're already almost at thirty minutes, and so she wanted
me to come back on and tell you guys how
I fought her and was resistant to doing this. And
we just completed an episode with just me talking. So
I hope y'all are not bored with this episode just
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listen to me talk. But I did want to at
least try answer some of the questions we've been getting,
tell you what I've been up to, and tell you
what you can look forward to on the next few
episodes of A Cross Generation. So thank you guys for
indulging me, and thank you again for showing up here
every week to listen to A Cross Generation, because we
truly do it for you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It is therapy for me. It is solace for me.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It is sage for me, and I hope it's the
same for you because that's our intention. Thank you guys
for tuning in, and I'll see you next week on
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