June 11, 2024 • 44 mins
One of the lead suspects for the murder of Darren Seals was himself murdered in 2020. When our investigators obtain the police report into that killing – and audio from the police interrogations – many of the pieces begin to fall into place. But many new mysteries emerge. Why was Darren’s murder suspect never prosecuted? And what about the suspects in that man’s murder?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Previously on. After the uprising, I'm pretty sure Dalos County
discovered that the crime actually happened in the city, so
that the city took over an investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So yeah, there's a lot more to it than I
can even begin to tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
They followed me every wile tho my mom told me,
he said, they don't feel me. If they do, he said,
don't you, but they can see nothing different. The people
at this traffic stop are FBI Special Agent at US,
Deputy Marshall, and a police sergeant in addition to the
uniform officers who are apparently making me stop. And that
tells me that it's a task for I got.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Ahold of our detective and essentially the suspect.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
We applied for warrants on his disease.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
His case never got issued. However, I do see mister
Irvin is deceased, and I don't know when he passed away.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand
jury deciding not to indict off.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
The nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his
killer set his car on fire.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body
inside with a gunshop.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
You want a gun on me, am I am I
foot your older brothers ferguson BD, grab me by my heart,
slam me.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
Out the car.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
He says, you might want you might want to pick
your enemies better.
Speaker 9 (02:01):
The way down stat brace, stay out of the way,
run a jack, stay with that ak.
Speaker 10 (02:07):
Don't let Jones love in.
Speaker 11 (02:10):
The city of don I gotta dang.
Speaker 12 (02:11):
I got in there, Wait up because I ain't.
Speaker 10 (02:13):
Got here with a sun.
Speaker 12 (02:15):
Yeahs a wig gag.
Speaker 11 (02:19):
Watch your homeboys and watch you get with.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The music we just played was from the Bottom Boy
song Can't Go. The verse was performed by Anthony Irvin
aka Kilo. The music video is available on YouTube, and
if you watch it, you'll see that it begins with
Darren driving in his jeep with a young woman by
his side. Ironically enough, Kilo's verse ends with him singing,
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watch your homeboys and watch the one you kick with.
Speaker 13 (02:51):
So his uncle had a recording studio, and look used
to go down there into his uncle's recording studio.
Speaker 10 (03:00):
When he was younger.
Speaker 13 (03:01):
He started out singing gospel. The whole family sung gospel.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
This is Kilo's grandmother, Peggy McNutt. As an adult, Kila
lived with her from time to time, so she was
aware not only of his efforts to establish himself as
a rapper, but of the many incidents of violence in
his life. Note that when she speaks about him, she
calls him by the nickname little Aunt. Aunt is short
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for Anthony, and as that was his father's name, he
was Little Aunt.
Speaker 13 (03:33):
She got shot twenty one past what at that time
at was living with me. His mother had put him
out of the house in twenty sixteen. His mother had
a boyfriend that didn't wan't look at there, so she
put look Aunt out.
Speaker 10 (03:52):
Now.
Speaker 13 (03:52):
I told her, maybe you should think about this. Only
thing out on the street.
Speaker 10 (03:57):
Is death or jail. That's just the He got shot right.
Speaker 13 (04:02):
There between your eyes. That might kind of look like
he was a cross that but when he they released
them from the hospital, that's when he started to stand
with me.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Kilo was shot on several different occasions. His grandmother had
a hard time keeping track of these events and placing
them chronologically. Looking through available police reports, we can see
that one of the incidents in which Kilo was shot
in the leg actually happened on the evening of September sixth,
twenty sixteen. Yes, that is less than twenty four hours
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after Darren's body was found. It's an event that's hard
to decipher by just looking at the police report, but
Kilo and another man, markwan Lee, both end up shot
at the same location in Castle Point, basically at the
same time, but they go to the hospital separately, and
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then they both tell the police that they have no
idea who it was who shot at them or why. Again.
Peggy's memory of these shootings is fuzzy, but she does
remember that there was once an incident wherein several agents
who she didn't believe for local police, came to her
home looking for Kilo.
Speaker 13 (05:18):
First of all, I would not open the door to
just anybody, not even the damn police. Okay, because the
police did come here, so it wasn't the city police.
I don't know what kind of police needs was. I
don't think they was police up because they had on
black So my guys, see, those ain't police. He said,
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those are fans.
Speaker 12 (05:39):
Coming for him.
Speaker 13 (05:40):
I said, well, why would the FAIX come for him.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Kilo was killed on April nineteenth, twenty twenty. He was
shot around six thirty pm, though he didn't die until
later in the evening, when he was in the hospital.
His grandmother says he was able to call her from
the first hospital he was taken to.
Speaker 13 (06:00):
He's talking to me and telling me, Grandma, you don't
have to come down here. They tend to transfer me
to board. What did he sound like?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
He sound like hisself.
Speaker 13 (06:10):
He didn't sound like he was in distressed. That's why
of I didn't worry about it. That's why of I
didn't go down there. So we was very calm that
everything was gonna be off. And then all of a sudden,
they said he passed. And I'm like, well, how could
he pass when.
Speaker 14 (06:27):
I just got them talking to him.
Speaker 13 (06:29):
He was popping normal. He wasn't talking like I'm heard granted,
come on down here to see about me. Come get me, granny,
come help me, none of that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did he ever tell you who he thought was.
Speaker 10 (06:41):
Shooting at him?
Speaker 13 (06:42):
No, he never told me and I never knew. And
let's just how that went.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you remember an episode two, teft Poe told us
that he heard Darren was killed by a rapper who
himself had been murdered in twenty twenty that describes Kilo
also said that this rapper was killed in retribution for
Darren's murder. We wanted to know if that was true,
and fortunately for us, we were able to get the
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report from the Saint Louis County Police that details the
investigation into Kilo's murder. It's ninety seven pages long and
it contains a lot of information. Interestingly, the first officer
on the scene was flagged down by a man named
Marcus Hines, who was trying to load Kilo's body into
a car to get him to a hospital. Kilo was
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reported as having been unresponsive. Taking this fact with what
his grandmother Peggy said about talking to Kilo on the
phone when he was in the hospital, we have to
presume that Kilo was revived by medical staff before he
ultimately passed away. Anyway, according to Marcus, he had been
inside the house where the shooting took place when he heard
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arguing outside and then gunshots. Even when outside to see
what was going on and found Kelo bleeding on the lawn.
The home didn't belong to Marcus, and Marcus said he
didn't know the full name of the person whose house
it was. Detectives who arrived described a blood trail from
near the front of the home to the backseat of
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a car in the driveway, which they found consistent with
the story Marcus told of trying to get Kilo into
a car so he could get him to a hospital.
On the ground were four spent nine millimeter bullet casings,
as well as bullets and parts from a broken pistol magazine.
Speaker 15 (08:36):
What initially alerted police to the shooting was a system
of microphones that are present throughout the area that automatically
call police if there are gunshots. This system is called
shot spotter, and apparently the shot spotter had indicated that
there were shots fired both inside and outside of the house,
so police entered the home. There was no one else there,
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but they did find four more spent shell casing just
inside the door. They also found another pistol an electronic
scale in plastic bags, which they believed indicated that the
house was used to sell drugs. As police were canvassing
the neighborhood, the owner of the house where Kilo had
been shot came home. Her name is Latasha McPherson, and
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when police asked her if she knew Kilo, she said
yes and that he was quote Satan's seed. She said
Keilo was not welcome in her home because he was
always pulling guns on people and trying to rob them.
While police were investigating, an anonymous caller reported a black
Pontiac had been abandoned just up the street at a
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dead end. Police found the car and had it towed.
The car belonged to a young man named Troy Doyle Junior.
Troy actually returned to the crime scene and stood outside
of the police caution tape. He identified himself and voluntarily
went to the police station to give a statement. Marcus,
the man who was trying to load Kilo's body into
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a also voluntarily went with the police. Their testimonies are long,
so we'll try to condense them to the most necessary facts.
We don't have audio of Marcus, but reading from the report,
we know that he said he was cooking food when
two cars arrived at the house, one being Troy Doyle's Pontiac,
the other a Dodge Durango that remained parked on the street.
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He said Kilo exited from Troy's car, as did another
black man. He says it sounded like Kilo had sold
a broken firearm to the other man. He says that
these men argued as they approached the house. Then there
were gunshots and the other man got back into Troy's car,
which drove off towards the dead end. The Durango parked
on the street also fled. We do have audio of
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Troy Doyle Junior's multiple statements to the police. Across it.
You can hear his story change. You can also hear
how detectives work him for details using a variety of tactics.
In his first interview, Troy is being questioned by detectives
Matthew Levy and Jason Whiteside of the Saint Louis County Police,
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and Troyce starts a statement by claiming that he was
in Castle Point that day looking for someone he called
lawnmower man to help him clean the rims of his car.
Speaker 14 (11:12):
What did who were you doing today?
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Welcome to the morning, my plan to get my car
claimed today?
Speaker 14 (11:18):
Do you usually have one person you go to up there?
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yes, sir, who do you go to? His name is Mark.
I called him lawnmower man.
Speaker 14 (11:24):
Lawnmore man. Hey, where'd you pick them up?
Speaker 11 (11:26):
Bag?
Speaker 10 (11:27):
When I picked him up? I picked them up off
of Duke And.
Speaker 14 (11:29):
Where were you guys heading from there? Well?
Speaker 9 (11:31):
I was gonna go back to his house and let
him watch my corn his driveway at his mom's house.
But then that's when he hit me with we might
not be able to do it there, so I was
gonna go on castle to my uncle Joe.
Speaker 10 (11:42):
House to see what we can do with there.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
So then we just with riding and talking, went up
on castle, went to was the dead and the castle
one of shots and stuff went off.
Speaker 14 (11:52):
May remember how shots here?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
I know I heard at least three.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
Troyce said he found lawnmower Man and just happened to
be driving by the house where Kilo was shot and
hearing the gunfire, that he ditched his car at the
dead end out of fear and ran away, heading for
his nearby uncle's house. When asked, Troyce stated it was
only him and lawnmower Man in his car. He claimed
he didn't know Kilo beyond him just being a guy
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from around the neighborhood.
Speaker 14 (12:19):
Did you see anybody at that point?
Speaker 13 (12:21):
No?
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Sorry, I panic jumped out of my car, took out Ronnie,
I did, say, Anthony laying down. I ran path like
I say, I panic and I ran in a wall
through about the house that I shows one on four
block of Calful.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So he ran back down, Yes, sir, towards it, Okay,
to your uncle's house.
Speaker 14 (12:39):
One thing though, quick, do you know Anthony?
Speaker 10 (12:42):
I know him from the neighborhood. Okay, what do you
know about him? Not too much? Not too much, he'd
just be out out there.
Speaker 14 (12:52):
Okay, back in for second try. When you're driving, you're driving,
and Longerman marks where is he in the passenger seat?
Is there anybody else in the carman?
Speaker 15 (13:01):
After their first interviews, both Marcus and Troy voluntarily gave
DNA samples and were released. When Troy's car was searched,
police found four cell phones in a Duffel bag containing
many plastic bags of marijuana. When police brought Troy in
for a second interview, his story began to drastically change.
He starts off saying again that he was driving with
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lawnmow Man, that they passed the house where Kilo was shot,
and that he saw Kelo standing alone in front of
the house before he heard the shots. The lead detective
in the case, Detective Christopher bray Miller, joins the questioning
and with Detective Levy, begins to add new details, telling
Troy that witnesses had seen Keilo getting out of his car,
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and it soon seems to become apparent to Troy that
his initial story isn't going to hold.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I have a few problems with this because one, at
that time of the.
Speaker 14 (13:53):
Day, there's several people outside.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Okay, there was more than one witness who said they
seen Anthony out.
Speaker 14 (14:00):
Of your vehicle. When's less time Anthony.
Speaker 10 (14:03):
Was in your He was in my vehicle earlier yesterday.
I took him to the Conico.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
Just you and Anthony in the car. Yes, so he
was right in the passenger seat.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
So how you're gonna explain if Anthony's DNA comes up
somewhere else in your carb sized passenger seat.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
I mean, he didn't been in one car more than once, okay,
but he didn't been in the flight and its call.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Okay, but I'm talking about fresh DNA. How are you
gonna explain that, Troy? Here's the thing, man, We're giving
you an opportunity here to get ahead of something.
Speaker 14 (14:36):
Okay, it's whether or not you want to take it.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He just told you Anthony's death. Do we either of
us think you shot him? No, I don't think you
shot him. But do we think Anthony was in your car?
Think and shit went bad? But you got to start
talking to us now, because if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Be a witness to this homicide, where you're going to
be a suspect of this homicide, and that that's what
it's gonna come down too, because in the state of
Missouri there's come something called felony murder where if you're involved.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
In a felony crime and somebody dies as a result
of that pelony crime, you can be held accountable of that.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I was involved in no crime. Okay, Okay, going to
commit no crime.
Speaker 14 (15:14):
That's fine. But why was Anthony in your car today?
You got to start talking to.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
Us, Troy.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
Anthony was in more car. Like I say, this is
not in ordinary.
Speaker 14 (15:22):
What do you do?
Speaker 10 (15:23):
I come over there? He gets in one car?
Speaker 11 (15:24):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (15:25):
Why did you pick up with Anthony today?
Speaker 9 (15:26):
I picked up Anthony today, take him to Knicco. After
we came back from Connaco. He asked me to drop him.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
Off on Cassle.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
Okay, who else was in the car?
Speaker 10 (15:34):
It was me and himmore Man and who else?
Speaker 12 (15:37):
That's it?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
No, we all waitnesses up there, Troy, Who damn street
has doorbell cameras?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And where you went parked your car?
Speaker 14 (15:43):
I don't know if you've ever paid attention over there.
I mean there's cameras.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Shine right right down that alley or right down that
little street at the dead end.
Speaker 15 (15:53):
You just heard Detective Bray Miller tell Troy that the
street is home to many cameras, implying that Troy should
just fess up to what happened because they have it
on video. In truth, detectives did go door to door
asking residents what they saw or heard that night, and
of those who did have doorbell cameras and who cooperated
with the police, their cameras actually captured nothing of the shooting. Further,
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no one in the neighborhood claimed to have seen anything.
Several residents said they heard shots, but that was all.
So when detectives are making these statements to Troy about
witnesses and cameras, they're hoping he will himself come forward
with facts that they themselves do not yet have. And
it works.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
He said, I did not know what was finn hat.
Speaker 14 (16:42):
That's fine. Then let's let's see a girl man talk.
Who else was in your cover?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Me?
Speaker 10 (16:47):
Lah more Man and Wolby Woby. Your name is Lamara
join Lamark Joiner.
Speaker 15 (16:55):
Und Lamont's joiner, or woob, as troy called it, was
apparently riding in the car when the men arrived at
the house, where an argument ensued. When the detective asked
what the argument was about, Troyce said that there had
never been a plan to kill anyone. He said he
would never drive someone to do something like that.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I think I would leave my car here, it had
my phone in here, this car race through to me,
all this in my name? Take this gap, period of
kit or whatever, you know whatever. I'm not that smart,
but I'm not that dumb neither. You know I'm not
that dumb neither.
Speaker 14 (17:26):
So where do you guys find home?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Moore Man?
Speaker 10 (17:28):
Where do we find lotmore Man? I picked lotmar Man
up on Douke.
Speaker 16 (17:31):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (17:31):
Where did he get in the car? Or which seat
he got in?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
The pathage decide?
Speaker 14 (17:34):
Okay? And then what happened?
Speaker 10 (17:36):
And then we went up on castle?
Speaker 16 (17:37):
All right?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I have a little bit of problem with the seating,
but we'll get to that a minute. What happened when
he got up on Cansel?
Speaker 10 (17:42):
When we got up on castle and let Anthony out?
And who else got out him?
Speaker 9 (17:46):
And will be I guess got out the car because
he was trying to get Antonio to tell me to
get back in the car, to calm.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Him down or whatever.
Speaker 14 (17:51):
What do you mean to calm him down?
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Because basically he I guess he was. He was getting heated.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
Why for whatever the word, Troy, Why because the guys
that won't care they don't like him up there?
Speaker 14 (18:02):
Okay, what happened between those two?
Speaker 10 (18:05):
It wasn't really nothing that happened that day.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
I'm getting someone previous didn't happen with Oh, with Antonio
and a guy they'd probably there was up there. So
those guys up there already felt some type of way
about Antonio already, So.
Speaker 10 (18:20):
I was already telling him.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I'm like, oh, guy might be labing and smelling, which
but they really don't care for you really, So Antonio
had something of he liked to be like a debo
kind of sort of type of person.
Speaker 15 (18:32):
When Troy says that Kilo was a debo type of person,
he's making a reference to the character from the movie Friday, who,
using his formidable size, bullies everyone in the neighborhood, stealing
from them at will. This seems to line up with
the statement made to police by the homeowner Latasha McPherson,
the one who called Kilo satan seed.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
He had the type of attitude if he felt like
he was a little skirt or just maybe a little bit,
he fees off of it. So those guys looked better.
They showed him a little bit of weekends, as I
can say. So he was thriving off of it. But
I guess today where he normally go do? I guess
today it just came to.
Speaker 14 (19:15):
White woolle shooting?
Speaker 10 (19:16):
What behoo?
Speaker 14 (19:17):
Who shot him?
Speaker 16 (19:18):
I have no clue.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
I didn't see nobody should woobe that shoe?
Speaker 14 (19:21):
You know Woob didn't shoot?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You tell me that both of these guys get out
of the vehicle. You hear gun shots. There's only those
two out there, nobody else, just those two. Lemon gets
back in the car with you. You're just leaving that
one part out where.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Yeah, I see him.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I think it's honestly because you don't want to snitch,
but you're you're gonna end up walking yourself into a
homicide case.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
You see, Anthony and Lamont didn't get out together.
Speaker 14 (19:48):
I know, I know, but Anthony's up there with a gun.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Lamont gets out to go confront Your buddy gets out
to go confront him.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
I have a very hard time believing you go, I'm
not gonna watch this.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
It makes no sense to me because, like I said,
this is not antonio first time doing it.
Speaker 14 (20:06):
I get that. But he has a gun and your
boy's getting out of the car to confront him.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
And he wasn't going to confirm him.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
He was going to get him to basically tell him
like to stop. Like you know, he was trying to
save him from doing from doing anything crazy. It's basically
and you see what happened. He was trying to save him.
And as it is my friend, his daughter, mother, and
my family of first cousins like this, I would I
would never do nothing like that. I would turn anybody
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in if I seen him shoot him. I don't have
no problem with that. I'm telling you the truth. I
did not see that man get shot. I would tell
I don't have no problem with that. I honestly thought
to somebody in that house that did that to him,
And I was just thinking if if his camera's on
the house, the camera's on the house, gonna show.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
We'll be shooting him in that front yard.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, we wanted your version of with the camera show,
you know, what I'm saying, because cameras can show a
lot of things, but the camera can't show would use
some Joe.
Speaker 14 (21:05):
We're gonna walk out, man, room, put you back in
and figure out what we're gonna do. But that's it.
That's it. Is there anything else before we walk out?
This is it? I canna keep bringing you back?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Can man?
Speaker 10 (21:16):
It's a little no. Listen, it happened, and I'm asking
is there anything else?
Speaker 14 (21:19):
Before we walk out? Also will include the interview.
Speaker 15 (21:27):
We'll be side of the story after the break.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Now back to the show. On April twentieth, the day
after Kila was shot, Lamont's Joiner aka Wiobe, was arrested
without incident at his sister's house. As fate would have it,
As police were leaving that arrest, they saw Troy Doyle
Junior's car on the road. Though he'd been released after
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giving his last statement, police now had an arrest warrant
for him, so they pulled his car over, only to
find that he wasn't in it. The car was being
driven by a relative of Lamance's, Shattia Joyner, who said
she borrowed the car from Troy. An officer asked to
see the key ring in her hand, which had connected
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to it a screw top device, inside which the officer
found three small bags containing what he believed to be fentanyl.
When police went to arrest lamonts Joiner under suspicion of
murdering Kilo, a special agent from the FBI named Owen
Cunningham came along. The report states that several of the
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officers who participated in the arrest were driving unmarked task
force vehicles, but all specifics are redacted. Taken together, it
appears as though the presence of the FBI is explained
by the fact that a task force of some kind
was interested in Kilo's death. Was this a drug task
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force a gang task force? In episode six, Mike Jerman,
examining the FBI documents on Darren, suggested a task force
was responsible for pulling Darren over. Is this the same
task force that is working the Kilo case? And how
does the presence of these agents connect to the stories
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Kilo's grandmother told about agents searching for him when he
was still alive. In questioning, Lamont's played dumb, claiming he
didn't know why his name had even come up in
a homicide case. Most of his interview sounds something like
this where your name has come.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Up in our investigation about what I did, will do.
Speaker 14 (23:45):
So, yeah as how I did it? Yeah, well, I
want to get into it with you. I'll you about
the case.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
We asked what because I'm like, I don't know, like
this is my first time. I know, y'all take my
back my hand.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I don't know way, I just go like what I done,
like what they said I done, Like I won't see
what I done, like I don't know what's wrong, Like
I don't know what to like.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
I ain't trying to run around.
Speaker 14 (24:06):
I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I just don't know what's going on. I'm looking at you.
I don't know what's going on long like that's why
I'm sokingn fused, like what's going on?
Speaker 11 (24:15):
Like my name? I called her something because my name
is something. Don't mean you know what I'm saying. I
just want to know what Woos is more than you
guys will figure out when you to talk back before.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
That's that's why I'm asking him, like I don't want
to say nothing. I don't know what's going on, Like
I'm wanna ask you, like what I don't know?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Detective Bray Miller gets to the point and asks Lamon's
if he knew Keilo.
Speaker 14 (24:32):
You know the name Anthony Urban? What's the nickname?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Uh?
Speaker 14 (24:37):
I guess she has a fount your little I.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Don't I swear so I don't know nobody. I swear
promise you, guys, I'm looking at you going nobody named Anthony?
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Nothing?
Speaker 11 (24:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's just where were you at last night? Around six pm?
Speaker 11 (24:47):
I was my people, was my cousin.
Speaker 14 (24:49):
Who's your cousin? Uh?
Speaker 11 (24:52):
Troy? Who goes with you? Guys? It's just it was us,
just you and Troy?
Speaker 14 (24:58):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (24:58):
And we were dropping we drop something?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (25:01):
What's the off a lord's name? Don't I don't know
him like that?
Speaker 14 (25:05):
You were dropping him the crew?
Speaker 11 (25:08):
I don't know him. What's his nickname? H? Kelo key Loo?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (25:14):
You were dropping him off?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Word?
Speaker 14 (25:15):
Where'd you drop him off?
Speaker 17 (25:16):
At?
Speaker 11 (25:17):
Uh Castle?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Already it's looking bad as Lamont starts off by claiming
not to know Kelo, at least not by the name Anthony,
and then he stumbles as he admits that Kelo was
in Troy's car with him. The detective show Lamont's a
picture of Kelo, so you you know this.
Speaker 11 (25:38):
Is joan, Oh yeah, why why yeah?
Speaker 14 (25:40):
Why Yeah? That's Kelo right.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Yeah, but well I'll let you know I don't.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Deal with him.
Speaker 14 (25:43):
I ain't never deal with him.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
I ain't he ain't no situating me. I don't know
what this man got going. You know what I'm saying.
I don't know what this man got going. Said, I
don't know. I don't know what this man had going on.
Speaker 14 (25:53):
Let me let me, let me let me back up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, so you guys pull up on Castle to drop
key low off.
Speaker 14 (25:59):
Right, Okay, did you ever get out of that car? No,
you didn't get out of that car. No, what if
Troy said, you got out of that car?
Speaker 11 (26:08):
No, I ain't got no call. And Troy said, I
got the call.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It is not in the day.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
In the day, y'all gonna find um. Yeah, they said,
I didn't. I know in that I know, I ain't
got no call. Toy toy lin, I ain't get out
on call.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Despite his story, the detectives have already been told by
both Troy Doyle and Marcus Hines that Lamontz got out
of the car with Kilo, and after pressing him on
it several times, they also got Lamentz to finally admit
that there was a fourth person in the car with them,
but he said he didn't know the man.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
How many people were in that vacshet it was it
was just it was just me.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
It was just us, just you three.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
There was nobody else in that vac sheet.
Speaker 11 (26:50):
What was really good? That's it?
Speaker 14 (26:52):
It was a good just you three as nobody else.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
I don't know they, dude, I don't know him like this.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
And I thought there was something else in the back set.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Yeah, but we go to school.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I don't know them, you can see. Got excuse me,
that's about sir. I respect. I don't know them people, Sir,
I don't hang I just going to school, he said.
Speaker 14 (27:09):
Dropping them all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I want to make sure I get this right. You
guys pull up. There's Troy driving, you in the front
passenger seat and Keilo in the back sheet with another guy.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
You don't know. You guys pull up, Kelo gets out
of the car.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You guys, hear gun shots and you guys drive off,
park the car, get out and run right.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
There was a pending the dropped panting, I don't we
don't know, we don't know what shots and we don't
know what's her while we stayed up for while?
Speaker 11 (27:39):
We why we take him up while we know what.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
While we were taking it as some bullshit, Let me
ask you me, I'm sorry, let me ask you what
what was?
Speaker 11 (27:47):
What we why we go like we don't know?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
We don't know what what.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Over the whole interview, Lemons denied ever getting out of
the car with k and insisted that he was not
his killer. Both Troy and Lamont were booked for armed
criminal action and murder in the second degree. The next day,
police from the Mystery Task Force, along with the FBI's
Special Agent, went out to find lawnmower man, whose name
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they determined to be Marx Bartley. They found him walking
down a street pushing a lawnmower. When approached, Mark started
rambling about a shooting. Marx voluntarily went to the police
station to be interviewed. He told police that on the
day of the shooting, he'd been outside when Troy's car
approached him. Kilo was in the car and he started
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demanding that Marx cut his grass for him. Marx went
on to claim that Kilo was a bully and that
the word on the street was that Kilo had told
some local drug dealers that they needed to pay him
if they wanted to do their business. Marx called it,
quote some sort of an extortion thing. He said Kilo
told some older drug dealers to quote cut him in
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or cut it out, and that he tried to pull
the same thing on another set of dealers and that's
what got him killed. Interestingly, Marx told police he was
not the fourth man in the car that night. He
said he was never in the car with Kilo. According
to Marx, the fourth person in the car, the one
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that Lamont claimed in his interview that he didn't know,
was another member of the Joiner family, who police figured
out was Joshua Joiner, Lamont's brother. Police arranged a photo
lineup to be viewed by Marcus Hines, the man who
was found trying to help Kelo into a car. Police
wanted Marcus to identify Lamont's as the man he saw
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in the yard that night, but it seems at some
point the police gave up after Marcus continuously refused to
meet to view the lineup. Now Here, something even stranger happens.
An entire year goes by. Why I can't really say,
but after a traffic stop on April eighteenth, twenty twenty one,
(30:05):
Lamont's brother Joshua join her is finally arrested and brought
in for questioning regarding the killing of Kilo. More after
the break. Now back to the show, yo.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That ben both by and mir him he was hot
and killed over on a castle last year. To my
understanding that you were in a vehicle when has happened
in the bank seat, you in the back seat, Okay,
just walking through what happened that day?
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Man, Look when they picked me up and I was
coming over to give him marijuana.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
In a sort of confusing way, Joshua basically describes that
there was an argument going on that seemingly took place
inside the house. He says that when and Lamont were
outside again in the front yard, Kilo was heated and
Joshua got out of the car to try to calm
Kilo down, but ultimately got back in the car when
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he wouldn't let me ask you.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
This what was the argument about? I can't see the
brin tell you what was the argument about? Because I
don't I heard they had been so favorite like this.
Speaker 13 (31:21):
Did you have the same man?
Speaker 10 (31:22):
He got?
Speaker 14 (31:23):
He was telling him the same.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Thing without them to bringing their zone. That's what I'm saying.
You didn't see you, correct, Yeah, I ain't. I know
he ain't had no bone.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
We don't.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
When I got in.
Speaker 11 (31:37):
They called at guns than they for. I understand that,
my brother and all of them, but.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
Kevin on Bun on this ship.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Man.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
It was just we were just in the wrong place
at the.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
Wrong time, that's all it.
Speaker 14 (31:52):
Wash. See, you think somebody in the outs out of here.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
I think somebody in an outside.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
After running through his version of events, Joshua ultimately says
he thinks someone inside the house shot Kilo, which Detective
bray Miller tells him doesn't align with the fact that
Keilo was shot in the yard. In their discussion, there
is a really interesting statement that the detective makes offhand.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
My brother told him come on, and then he did.
He looked at the day seam or brother told me
like Tillian, come on. But I can't tell no dame
of the.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
Company, can't you, man? And I know this kind of lang,
but I know how he is. I've dealt with every years.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Detective bray Miller is referring to Kilo when he says
that he's no angel and that he's dealt with him
for years. Finally, the interview ends with a detective explaining
to Joshua, what is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Nextly said, and then I'll ready presenticates to the procyan
Urny's office sometime this week.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
And then after this, dude, ain't you ain't gonna talk
to me no more or none of that.
Speaker 14 (32:57):
Te Hey already give it to Brocky and Hurdy to
review the case.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And they think there's evidence against you for the murder,
then then they'll talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
But you knowing, I ain't doing no being honest, you
know I ain't doing though.
Speaker 14 (33:12):
Yeah, but I finally I know I believe that there's you.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Think you think that my brother did be.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
Wow?
Speaker 14 (33:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:26):
Wow?
Speaker 14 (33:29):
You know because your brother's saying you weren't even there.
You know that he didn't know who the other person
in the vehicle was. It plain dumb on it?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Well, why is he like he don't because he don't
like to be in the whole.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah about a situation like that and look bad when
you like, especially when there's a body, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
So, yeah, I feel like I got enough evidence from my.
Speaker 14 (33:50):
Brother to say it's leaning that way.
Speaker 11 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Wow, Yeah, it's definitely leaning that way.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And then another strange thing happened, namely nothing the cases
of Troy Doyle Junior, Lamont's Joiner, and Joshua Joiner were
all immediately moved to Saint Charles County, which is adjacent
to Saint Louis County. Why was this done because of
a conflict of interest? As it turns out, Troy Doyle
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Junior is the son of Troy Doyle Senior, a longtime
lieutenant colonel serving in the Saint Louis County Police Department,
who at the time in question, was serving as the
director of the Justice Services Center. In March of twenty
twenty three, Troy Doyle Senior was sworn in as the
new chief of Police for Ferguson. What we can see
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from the documents we've been able to get from Saint
Charles County is that the attorney in charge of the
case is Carrie Sullivan. We see that in October of
twenty twenty, so about six months after police arrested Lamont's
and six months before they would arrest Joshua, Carrie reaches
out via email to Detective Bray Miller to ask him
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to show the photo line up to Mark Spartley aka
lawnmower Man. Bray Miller responds, telling her that he wants
to talk with her about the case, either over the
phone or in her office. We have had many, many
issues getting local agencies in Saint Louis to comply with
Missouri's state transparency Sunshine laws, and to this point in
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our document request to Saint Charles County for records in
this case, we only got two emails back, the one
we just mentioned and to second one sent by the
Saint Charles attorney a few months later, requesting an update.
Speaker 15 (35:47):
In his response to that email, Detective bray Miller is
a bit coy referring to a person as quote the
one we talked about instead of by name. Context allows
us to presume he was referring to Joshuajo. After all
of this, the interviews with every witness, the gathering of evidence,
the moving of the case to a nearby county, and
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off the book's meetings with that county's attorney, nothing ever happened.
Lamont's Joiner was not charged with murdering Keilo and Troy
Doyle Junior and Joshua Joiner were not charged with anything
relating to the case either. All we have to explain
why these three men were never subject to criminal charges
is a copy of a warrant application refusal sent a
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detective Bray Miller from Saint Charles County. It states that
warrants to arrest Troy and La Monts are being refused
for the following reason quote unable to determine shooter beyond
a reasonable doubt witnesses, uncooperative, lack of physical evidence to
determined shooter without eyewitness testimony. This warrant refusal was sent
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out on March second, twenty twenty two, nearly a year
after the arrest in questioning of Joshua and two years
after Keith those killing. The sparse return of documents to
our requests on this case from both Saint Charles and
Saint Louis County is troubling. We have the audio you
heard of Lamont's and Joshua Joiner because Saint Charles County provided.
Speaker 14 (37:13):
Them to us.
Speaker 15 (37:14):
But when we got the videos of Marx Bartley and
Marcus Hines, the files were non functional. There were zero
bytes in size and existed only as unplayable file names,
and there was no video given.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
To us at all.
Speaker 15 (37:27):
Troy Doyle Junior. Producer John Duffy got on the phone
with Katie Rickerson, the manager of the Saint Charles County
Prosecuting Attorney's Office, to ask about this.
Speaker 17 (37:36):
You tried to get me those video files. Did they
work for you?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (37:41):
No, they did not. If we would have needed them,
we would have researched how to play them and whatnot.
Speaker 17 (37:46):
And then you said you didn't have one at all
for Troy Doyle Junior. Ye, did you guys get rid
of it or were you never given one?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 12 (37:54):
I sent you everything we had, so if I didn't
give it to you, we never got it.
Speaker 17 (37:58):
I guess my confusion is because you gave me a
letter that said that St. Charles County didn't have the
evidence necessary to move forward on trials with any of
these men.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
But then it would be.
Speaker 17 (38:09):
Weird that you were given either no evidence for some
of the men like Troy Doyle Junior, or evidence that
didn't work Like where the.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Word the I mean?
Speaker 12 (38:17):
You always have a right to put in a request
to Saint Louis County or the Saint Louis County Police
Department to see what they have.
Speaker 15 (38:26):
Okay, the Saint Charles County Prosecuting Attorney was responsible for
bringing Keilo's killers to justice, but seemingly they weren't provided
with all of the video evidence they would need to
go forward with a case. Was this failure to provide
all the video testimony to Saint Charles County an intentional
move made by someone in Saint Louis County who was
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trying to protect Troy Doyle Junior on behalf of his father,
or was it an innocent mistake. If so, what explains
the total failure to prosecute at least Lamont's joiner for
shooting Quilo. The email that we read from Saint Charles
County Prosecuting Attorney's office that said they didn't have enough
evidence without witness testimony makes it seem like they couldn't
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have just subpoened Marcus Hines to testify in court. At
the end of the day, we did this deep dive
into Kilo's murder to see if it looked like he
was killed for his possible role in Darren's death or
if there was possible crossover with any of the players.
The one link we found seems to be Troy Doyle Junior,
who is cousins with Bottom Boys member LP, which we
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were able to determine by looking at Facebook. The effort
to collect information on Keilo's death was riddled with hurdles
placed before us that took months to clear, and Darren's
case was even trickier, with simple information such as his
medical examiner's report being kept behind lock and key. That's Sherry, Hey, Sherry,
(39:52):
this is Reynovishlsky. I got three Sunshine requests with you.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yes, yes, yes, thanks to calling.
Speaker 15 (39:58):
This is Sherry Luter from the Saint Louis County Prosecuting
Attorney's Office. You heard her at the end of episode
six telling us that Anthony Irvin was recommended for prosecution
as Darren's murderer. I'm calling her so that she might
talk to the Medical Examiner's office and tell them that
it's okay to give us their report on Darren.
Speaker 16 (40:17):
We got a response from the Medical Examiner's office that
they couldn't share the autopsy because just this week they
said that it was an active investigation by the Prosecuting
Attorney's office. I'm curious if they contacted you about Darren
Seal's and you were like, no, no, no, we're moving ahead
on something with that or.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Oh, Darren Steel, how do you spell it?
Speaker 15 (40:42):
It took her a minute to find Darren's case in
her computer system, and she actually had to find it
by looking up Anthony Irvin.
Speaker 13 (40:48):
MM.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, so here's Darren Stields.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
And the reason that.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I couldn't find it before is because we have His
name is dr.
Speaker 17 (40:57):
E n not want Oh wow, okay, so that's and we.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Also don't have there's no information in our system on
this man except an adress. Like, we don't have a
social we don't have a data birth, we don't have
a race, a gender, a high to weight. There's nothing
in here about this victim except an andress.
Speaker 15 (41:24):
After talking with Sherry, we were able to convince the
medical examiner to give us Darren's autopsy report. It describes
that his body was on the floor of the passenger
seat in his jeep. His lungs had no soot in them,
so he was dead before the fire started. And the
bullet that killed him it was fired into his face.
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It entered through his teeth on the lower left side,
pierced his tongue, and traveled upward into his skull, where
it was lodged but still So many questions remained, and
as we scratch at them, so many new questions come
to the surface. This why did the prosecuting attorney have
no basic information about Darren in their computer system? And
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if Kilo was Darren's killer? Why why would Kilo want
to kill Darren if Darren was trying to help Keilo's
rap career take off.
Speaker 10 (42:16):
And why are we.
Speaker 15 (42:17):
Seeing so much FBI involvement, not only Darren's massive FBI file,
but the FBI participating in arresting Kilo's alleged killer. What
were these guys involved in? We hoped the other members
of the Bottom Boys could shed some light on all this.
That's next time on After the Uprising. After the Uprising
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twenty twenty four double asteriskkink
Previously on. After the uprising, I'm pretty sure Dalos County
discovered that the crime actually happened in the city, so
that the city took over an investigation.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So yeah, there's a lot more to it than I
can even begin to tell you.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
They followed me every wile tho my mom told me,
he said, they don't feel me. If they do, he said,
don't you, but they can see nothing different. The people
at this traffic stop are FBI Special Agent at US,
Deputy Marshall, and a police sergeant in addition to the
uniform officers who are apparently making me stop. And that
tells me that it's a task for I got.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Ahold of our detective and essentially the suspect.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
We applied for warrants on his disease.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
His case never got issued. However, I do see mister
Irvin is deceased, and I don't know when he passed away.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand
jury deciding not to indict off.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
The nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his
killer set his car on fire.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body
inside with a gunshop.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
You want a gun on me, am I am I
foot your older brothers ferguson BD, grab me by my heart,
slam me.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
Out the car.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
He says, you might want you might want to pick
your enemies better.
Speaker 9 (02:01):
The way down stat brace, stay out of the way,
run a jack, stay with that ak.
Speaker 10 (02:07):
Don't let Jones love in.
Speaker 11 (02:10):
The city of don I gotta dang.
Speaker 12 (02:11):
I got in there, Wait up because I ain't.
Speaker 10 (02:13):
Got here with a sun.
Speaker 12 (02:15):
Yeahs a wig gag.
Speaker 11 (02:19):
Watch your homeboys and watch you get with.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The music we just played was from the Bottom Boy
song Can't Go. The verse was performed by Anthony Irvin
aka Kilo. The music video is available on YouTube, and
if you watch it, you'll see that it begins with
Darren driving in his jeep with a young woman by
his side. Ironically enough, Kilo's verse ends with him singing,
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watch your homeboys and watch the one you kick with.
Speaker 13 (02:51):
So his uncle had a recording studio, and look used
to go down there into his uncle's recording studio.
Speaker 10 (03:00):
When he was younger.
Speaker 13 (03:01):
He started out singing gospel. The whole family sung gospel.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
This is Kilo's grandmother, Peggy McNutt. As an adult, Kila
lived with her from time to time, so she was
aware not only of his efforts to establish himself as
a rapper, but of the many incidents of violence in
his life. Note that when she speaks about him, she
calls him by the nickname little Aunt. Aunt is short
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for Anthony, and as that was his father's name, he
was Little Aunt.
Speaker 13 (03:33):
She got shot twenty one past what at that time
at was living with me. His mother had put him
out of the house in twenty sixteen. His mother had
a boyfriend that didn't wan't look at there, so she
put look Aunt out.
Speaker 10 (03:52):
Now.
Speaker 13 (03:52):
I told her, maybe you should think about this. Only
thing out on the street.
Speaker 10 (03:57):
Is death or jail. That's just the He got shot right.
Speaker 13 (04:02):
There between your eyes. That might kind of look like
he was a cross that but when he they released
them from the hospital, that's when he started to stand
with me.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Kilo was shot on several different occasions. His grandmother had
a hard time keeping track of these events and placing
them chronologically. Looking through available police reports, we can see
that one of the incidents in which Kilo was shot
in the leg actually happened on the evening of September sixth,
twenty sixteen. Yes, that is less than twenty four hours
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after Darren's body was found. It's an event that's hard
to decipher by just looking at the police report, but
Kilo and another man, markwan Lee, both end up shot
at the same location in Castle Point, basically at the
same time, but they go to the hospital separately, and
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then they both tell the police that they have no
idea who it was who shot at them or why. Again.
Peggy's memory of these shootings is fuzzy, but she does
remember that there was once an incident wherein several agents
who she didn't believe for local police, came to her
home looking for Kilo.
Speaker 13 (05:18):
First of all, I would not open the door to
just anybody, not even the damn police. Okay, because the
police did come here, so it wasn't the city police.
I don't know what kind of police needs was. I
don't think they was police up because they had on
black So my guys, see, those ain't police. He said,
(05:38):
those are fans.
Speaker 12 (05:39):
Coming for him.
Speaker 13 (05:40):
I said, well, why would the FAIX come for him.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Kilo was killed on April nineteenth, twenty twenty. He was
shot around six thirty pm, though he didn't die until
later in the evening, when he was in the hospital.
His grandmother says he was able to call her from
the first hospital he was taken to.
Speaker 13 (06:00):
He's talking to me and telling me, Grandma, you don't
have to come down here. They tend to transfer me
to board. What did he sound like?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
He sound like hisself.
Speaker 13 (06:10):
He didn't sound like he was in distressed. That's why
of I didn't worry about it. That's why of I
didn't go down there. So we was very calm that
everything was gonna be off. And then all of a sudden,
they said he passed. And I'm like, well, how could
he pass when.
Speaker 14 (06:27):
I just got them talking to him.
Speaker 13 (06:29):
He was popping normal. He wasn't talking like I'm heard granted,
come on down here to see about me. Come get me, granny,
come help me, none of that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did he ever tell you who he thought was.
Speaker 10 (06:41):
Shooting at him?
Speaker 13 (06:42):
No, he never told me and I never knew. And
let's just how that went.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
If you remember an episode two, teft Poe told us
that he heard Darren was killed by a rapper who
himself had been murdered in twenty twenty that describes Kilo
also said that this rapper was killed in retribution for
Darren's murder. We wanted to know if that was true,
and fortunately for us, we were able to get the
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report from the Saint Louis County Police that details the
investigation into Kilo's murder. It's ninety seven pages long and
it contains a lot of information. Interestingly, the first officer
on the scene was flagged down by a man named
Marcus Hines, who was trying to load Kilo's body into
a car to get him to a hospital. Kilo was
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reported as having been unresponsive. Taking this fact with what
his grandmother Peggy said about talking to Kilo on the
phone when he was in the hospital, we have to
presume that Kilo was revived by medical staff before he
ultimately passed away. Anyway, according to Marcus, he had been
inside the house where the shooting took place when he heard
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arguing outside and then gunshots. Even when outside to see
what was going on and found Kelo bleeding on the lawn.
The home didn't belong to Marcus, and Marcus said he
didn't know the full name of the person whose house
it was. Detectives who arrived described a blood trail from
near the front of the home to the backseat of
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a car in the driveway, which they found consistent with
the story Marcus told of trying to get Kilo into
a car so he could get him to a hospital.
On the ground were four spent nine millimeter bullet casings,
as well as bullets and parts from a broken pistol magazine.
Speaker 15 (08:36):
What initially alerted police to the shooting was a system
of microphones that are present throughout the area that automatically
call police if there are gunshots. This system is called
shot spotter, and apparently the shot spotter had indicated that
there were shots fired both inside and outside of the house,
so police entered the home. There was no one else there,
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but they did find four more spent shell casing just
inside the door. They also found another pistol an electronic
scale in plastic bags, which they believed indicated that the
house was used to sell drugs. As police were canvassing
the neighborhood, the owner of the house where Kilo had
been shot came home. Her name is Latasha McPherson, and
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when police asked her if she knew Kilo, she said
yes and that he was quote Satan's seed. She said
Keilo was not welcome in her home because he was
always pulling guns on people and trying to rob them.
While police were investigating, an anonymous caller reported a black
Pontiac had been abandoned just up the street at a
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dead end. Police found the car and had it towed.
The car belonged to a young man named Troy Doyle Junior.
Troy actually returned to the crime scene and stood outside
of the police caution tape. He identified himself and voluntarily
went to the police station to give a statement. Marcus,
the man who was trying to load Kilo's body into
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a also voluntarily went with the police. Their testimonies are long,
so we'll try to condense them to the most necessary facts.
We don't have audio of Marcus, but reading from the report,
we know that he said he was cooking food when
two cars arrived at the house, one being Troy Doyle's Pontiac,
the other a Dodge Durango that remained parked on the street.
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He said Kilo exited from Troy's car, as did another
black man. He says it sounded like Kilo had sold
a broken firearm to the other man. He says that
these men argued as they approached the house. Then there
were gunshots and the other man got back into Troy's car,
which drove off towards the dead end. The Durango parked
on the street also fled. We do have audio of
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Troy Doyle Junior's multiple statements to the police. Across it.
You can hear his story change. You can also hear
how detectives work him for details using a variety of tactics.
In his first interview, Troy is being questioned by detectives
Matthew Levy and Jason Whiteside of the Saint Louis County Police,
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and Troyce starts a statement by claiming that he was
in Castle Point that day looking for someone he called
lawnmower man to help him clean the rims of his car.
Speaker 14 (11:12):
What did who were you doing today?
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Welcome to the morning, my plan to get my car
claimed today?
Speaker 14 (11:18):
Do you usually have one person you go to up there?
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yes, sir, who do you go to? His name is Mark.
I called him lawnmower man.
Speaker 14 (11:24):
Lawnmore man. Hey, where'd you pick them up?
Speaker 11 (11:26):
Bag?
Speaker 10 (11:27):
When I picked him up? I picked them up off
of Duke And.
Speaker 14 (11:29):
Where were you guys heading from there? Well?
Speaker 9 (11:31):
I was gonna go back to his house and let
him watch my corn his driveway at his mom's house.
But then that's when he hit me with we might
not be able to do it there, so I was
gonna go on castle to my uncle Joe.
Speaker 10 (11:42):
House to see what we can do with there.
Speaker 9 (11:44):
So then we just with riding and talking, went up
on castle, went to was the dead and the castle
one of shots and stuff went off.
Speaker 14 (11:52):
May remember how shots here?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
I know I heard at least three.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
Troyce said he found lawnmower Man and just happened to
be driving by the house where Kilo was shot and
hearing the gunfire, that he ditched his car at the
dead end out of fear and ran away, heading for
his nearby uncle's house. When asked, Troyce stated it was
only him and lawnmower Man in his car. He claimed
he didn't know Kilo beyond him just being a guy
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from around the neighborhood.
Speaker 14 (12:19):
Did you see anybody at that point?
Speaker 13 (12:21):
No?
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Sorry, I panic jumped out of my car, took out Ronnie,
I did, say, Anthony laying down. I ran path like
I say, I panic and I ran in a wall
through about the house that I shows one on four
block of Calful.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So he ran back down, Yes, sir, towards it, Okay,
to your uncle's house.
Speaker 14 (12:39):
One thing though, quick, do you know Anthony?
Speaker 10 (12:42):
I know him from the neighborhood. Okay, what do you
know about him? Not too much? Not too much, he'd
just be out out there.
Speaker 14 (12:52):
Okay, back in for second try. When you're driving, you're driving,
and Longerman marks where is he in the passenger seat?
Is there anybody else in the carman?
Speaker 15 (13:01):
After their first interviews, both Marcus and Troy voluntarily gave
DNA samples and were released. When Troy's car was searched,
police found four cell phones in a Duffel bag containing
many plastic bags of marijuana. When police brought Troy in
for a second interview, his story began to drastically change.
He starts off saying again that he was driving with
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lawnmow Man, that they passed the house where Kilo was shot,
and that he saw Kelo standing alone in front of
the house before he heard the shots. The lead detective
in the case, Detective Christopher bray Miller, joins the questioning
and with Detective Levy, begins to add new details, telling
Troy that witnesses had seen Keilo getting out of his car,
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and it soon seems to become apparent to Troy that
his initial story isn't going to hold.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I have a few problems with this because one, at
that time of the.
Speaker 14 (13:53):
Day, there's several people outside.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Okay, there was more than one witness who said they
seen Anthony out.
Speaker 14 (14:00):
Of your vehicle. When's less time Anthony.
Speaker 10 (14:03):
Was in your He was in my vehicle earlier yesterday.
I took him to the Conico.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
Just you and Anthony in the car. Yes, so he
was right in the passenger seat.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
So how you're gonna explain if Anthony's DNA comes up
somewhere else in your carb sized passenger seat.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
I mean, he didn't been in one car more than once, okay,
but he didn't been in the flight and its call.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Okay, but I'm talking about fresh DNA. How are you
gonna explain that, Troy? Here's the thing, man, We're giving
you an opportunity here to get ahead of something.
Speaker 14 (14:36):
Okay, it's whether or not you want to take it.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
He just told you Anthony's death. Do we either of
us think you shot him? No, I don't think you
shot him. But do we think Anthony was in your car?
Think and shit went bad? But you got to start
talking to us now, because if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Be a witness to this homicide, where you're going to
be a suspect of this homicide, and that that's what
it's gonna come down too, because in the state of
Missouri there's come something called felony murder where if you're involved.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
In a felony crime and somebody dies as a result
of that pelony crime, you can be held accountable of that.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I was involved in no crime. Okay, Okay, going to
commit no crime.
Speaker 14 (15:14):
That's fine. But why was Anthony in your car today?
You got to start talking to.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
Us, Troy.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
Anthony was in more car. Like I say, this is
not in ordinary.
Speaker 14 (15:22):
What do you do?
Speaker 10 (15:23):
I come over there? He gets in one car?
Speaker 11 (15:24):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (15:25):
Why did you pick up with Anthony today?
Speaker 9 (15:26):
I picked up Anthony today, take him to Knicco. After
we came back from Connaco. He asked me to drop him.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
Off on Cassle.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
Okay, who else was in the car?
Speaker 10 (15:34):
It was me and himmore Man and who else?
Speaker 12 (15:37):
That's it?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
No, we all waitnesses up there, Troy, Who damn street
has doorbell cameras?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And where you went parked your car?
Speaker 14 (15:43):
I don't know if you've ever paid attention over there.
I mean there's cameras.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Shine right right down that alley or right down that
little street at the dead end.
Speaker 15 (15:53):
You just heard Detective Bray Miller tell Troy that the
street is home to many cameras, implying that Troy should
just fess up to what happened because they have it
on video. In truth, detectives did go door to door
asking residents what they saw or heard that night, and
of those who did have doorbell cameras and who cooperated
with the police, their cameras actually captured nothing of the shooting. Further,
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no one in the neighborhood claimed to have seen anything.
Several residents said they heard shots, but that was all.
So when detectives are making these statements to Troy about
witnesses and cameras, they're hoping he will himself come forward
with facts that they themselves do not yet have. And
it works.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
He said, I did not know what was finn hat.
Speaker 14 (16:42):
That's fine. Then let's let's see a girl man talk.
Who else was in your cover?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Me?
Speaker 10 (16:47):
Lah more Man and Wolby Woby. Your name is Lamara
join Lamark Joiner.
Speaker 15 (16:55):
Und Lamont's joiner, or woob, as troy called it, was
apparently riding in the car when the men arrived at
the house, where an argument ensued. When the detective asked
what the argument was about, Troyce said that there had
never been a plan to kill anyone. He said he
would never drive someone to do something like that.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
I think I would leave my car here, it had
my phone in here, this car race through to me,
all this in my name? Take this gap, period of
kit or whatever, you know whatever. I'm not that smart,
but I'm not that dumb neither. You know I'm not
that dumb neither.
Speaker 14 (17:26):
So where do you guys find home?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Moore Man?
Speaker 10 (17:28):
Where do we find lotmore Man? I picked lotmar Man
up on Douke.
Speaker 16 (17:31):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (17:31):
Where did he get in the car? Or which seat
he got in?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
The pathage decide?
Speaker 14 (17:34):
Okay? And then what happened?
Speaker 10 (17:36):
And then we went up on castle?
Speaker 16 (17:37):
All right?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
I have a little bit of problem with the seating,
but we'll get to that a minute. What happened when
he got up on Cansel?
Speaker 10 (17:42):
When we got up on castle and let Anthony out?
And who else got out him?
Speaker 9 (17:46):
And will be I guess got out the car because
he was trying to get Antonio to tell me to
get back in the car, to calm.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
Him down or whatever.
Speaker 14 (17:51):
What do you mean to calm him down?
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Because basically he I guess he was. He was getting heated.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
Why for whatever the word, Troy, Why because the guys
that won't care they don't like him up there?
Speaker 14 (18:02):
Okay, what happened between those two?
Speaker 10 (18:05):
It wasn't really nothing that happened that day.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
I'm getting someone previous didn't happen with Oh, with Antonio
and a guy they'd probably there was up there. So
those guys up there already felt some type of way
about Antonio already, So.
Speaker 10 (18:20):
I was already telling him.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
I'm like, oh, guy might be labing and smelling, which
but they really don't care for you really, So Antonio
had something of he liked to be like a debo
kind of sort of type of person.
Speaker 15 (18:32):
When Troy says that Kilo was a debo type of person,
he's making a reference to the character from the movie Friday, who,
using his formidable size, bullies everyone in the neighborhood, stealing
from them at will. This seems to line up with
the statement made to police by the homeowner Latasha McPherson,
the one who called Kilo satan seed.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
He had the type of attitude if he felt like
he was a little skirt or just maybe a little bit,
he fees off of it. So those guys looked better.
They showed him a little bit of weekends, as I
can say. So he was thriving off of it. But
I guess today where he normally go do? I guess
today it just came to.
Speaker 14 (19:15):
White woolle shooting?
Speaker 10 (19:16):
What behoo?
Speaker 14 (19:17):
Who shot him?
Speaker 16 (19:18):
I have no clue.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
I didn't see nobody should woobe that shoe?
Speaker 14 (19:21):
You know Woob didn't shoot?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You tell me that both of these guys get out
of the vehicle. You hear gun shots. There's only those
two out there, nobody else, just those two. Lemon gets
back in the car with you. You're just leaving that
one part out where.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Yeah, I see him.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I think it's honestly because you don't want to snitch,
but you're you're gonna end up walking yourself into a
homicide case.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
You see, Anthony and Lamont didn't get out together.
Speaker 14 (19:48):
I know, I know, but Anthony's up there with a gun.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Lamont gets out to go confront Your buddy gets out
to go confront him.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
I have a very hard time believing you go, I'm
not gonna watch this.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
It makes no sense to me because, like I said,
this is not antonio first time doing it.
Speaker 14 (20:06):
I get that. But he has a gun and your
boy's getting out of the car to confront him.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
And he wasn't going to confirm him.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
He was going to get him to basically tell him
like to stop. Like you know, he was trying to
save him from doing from doing anything crazy. It's basically
and you see what happened. He was trying to save him.
And as it is my friend, his daughter, mother, and
my family of first cousins like this, I would I
would never do nothing like that. I would turn anybody
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in if I seen him shoot him. I don't have
no problem with that. I'm telling you the truth. I
did not see that man get shot. I would tell
I don't have no problem with that. I honestly thought
to somebody in that house that did that to him,
And I was just thinking if if his camera's on
the house, the camera's on the house, gonna show.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
We'll be shooting him in that front yard.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, we wanted your version of with the camera show,
you know, what I'm saying, because cameras can show a
lot of things, but the camera can't show would use
some Joe.
Speaker 14 (21:05):
We're gonna walk out, man, room, put you back in
and figure out what we're gonna do. But that's it.
That's it. Is there anything else before we walk out?
This is it? I canna keep bringing you back?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Can man?
Speaker 10 (21:16):
It's a little no. Listen, it happened, and I'm asking
is there anything else?
Speaker 14 (21:19):
Before we walk out? Also will include the interview.
Speaker 15 (21:27):
We'll be side of the story after the break.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Now back to the show. On April twentieth, the day
after Kila was shot, Lamont's Joiner aka Wiobe, was arrested
without incident at his sister's house. As fate would have it,
As police were leaving that arrest, they saw Troy Doyle
Junior's car on the road. Though he'd been released after
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giving his last statement, police now had an arrest warrant
for him, so they pulled his car over, only to
find that he wasn't in it. The car was being
driven by a relative of Lamance's, Shattia Joyner, who said
she borrowed the car from Troy. An officer asked to
see the key ring in her hand, which had connected
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to it a screw top device, inside which the officer
found three small bags containing what he believed to be fentanyl.
When police went to arrest lamonts Joiner under suspicion of
murdering Kilo, a special agent from the FBI named Owen
Cunningham came along. The report states that several of the
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officers who participated in the arrest were driving unmarked task
force vehicles, but all specifics are redacted. Taken together, it
appears as though the presence of the FBI is explained
by the fact that a task force of some kind
was interested in Kilo's death. Was this a drug task
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force a gang task force? In episode six, Mike Jerman,
examining the FBI documents on Darren, suggested a task force
was responsible for pulling Darren over. Is this the same
task force that is working the Kilo case? And how
does the presence of these agents connect to the stories
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Kilo's grandmother told about agents searching for him when he
was still alive. In questioning, Lamont's played dumb, claiming he
didn't know why his name had even come up in
a homicide case. Most of his interview sounds something like
this where your name has come.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Up in our investigation about what I did, will do.
Speaker 14 (23:45):
So, yeah as how I did it? Yeah, well, I
want to get into it with you. I'll you about
the case.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
We asked what because I'm like, I don't know, like
this is my first time. I know, y'all take my
back my hand.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
I don't know way, I just go like what I done,
like what they said I done, Like I won't see
what I done, like I don't know what's wrong, Like
I don't know what to like.
Speaker 11 (24:05):
I ain't trying to run around.
Speaker 14 (24:06):
I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
I just don't know what's going on. I'm looking at you.
I don't know what's going on long like that's why
I'm sokingn fused, like what's going on?
Speaker 11 (24:15):
Like my name? I called her something because my name
is something. Don't mean you know what I'm saying. I
just want to know what Woos is more than you
guys will figure out when you to talk back before.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
That's that's why I'm asking him, like I don't want
to say nothing. I don't know what's going on, Like
I'm wanna ask you, like what I don't know?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Detective Bray Miller gets to the point and asks Lamon's
if he knew Keilo.
Speaker 14 (24:32):
You know the name Anthony Urban? What's the nickname?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Uh?
Speaker 14 (24:37):
I guess she has a fount your little I.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Don't I swear so I don't know nobody. I swear
promise you, guys, I'm looking at you going nobody named Anthony?
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Nothing?
Speaker 11 (24:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's just where were you at last night? Around six pm?
Speaker 11 (24:47):
I was my people, was my cousin.
Speaker 14 (24:49):
Who's your cousin? Uh?
Speaker 11 (24:52):
Troy? Who goes with you? Guys? It's just it was us,
just you and Troy?
Speaker 14 (24:58):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (24:58):
And we were dropping we drop something?
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (25:01):
What's the off a lord's name? Don't I don't know
him like that?
Speaker 14 (25:05):
You were dropping him the crew?
Speaker 11 (25:08):
I don't know him. What's his nickname? H? Kelo key Loo?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (25:14):
You were dropping him off?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Word?
Speaker 14 (25:15):
Where'd you drop him off?
Speaker 17 (25:16):
At?
Speaker 11 (25:17):
Uh Castle?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Already it's looking bad as Lamont starts off by claiming
not to know Kelo, at least not by the name Anthony,
and then he stumbles as he admits that Kelo was
in Troy's car with him. The detective show Lamont's a
picture of Kelo, so you you know this.
Speaker 11 (25:38):
Is joan, Oh yeah, why why yeah?
Speaker 14 (25:40):
Why Yeah? That's Kelo right.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Yeah, but well I'll let you know I don't.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Deal with him.
Speaker 14 (25:43):
I ain't never deal with him.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
I ain't he ain't no situating me. I don't know
what this man got going. You know what I'm saying.
I don't know what this man got going. Said, I
don't know. I don't know what this man had going on.
Speaker 14 (25:53):
Let me let me, let me let me back up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, so you guys pull up on Castle to drop
key low off.
Speaker 14 (25:59):
Right, Okay, did you ever get out of that car? No,
you didn't get out of that car. No, what if
Troy said, you got out of that car?
Speaker 11 (26:08):
No, I ain't got no call. And Troy said, I
got the call.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It is not in the day.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
In the day, y'all gonna find um. Yeah, they said,
I didn't. I know in that I know, I ain't
got no call. Toy toy lin, I ain't get out
on call.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Despite his story, the detectives have already been told by
both Troy Doyle and Marcus Hines that Lamontz got out
of the car with Kilo, and after pressing him on
it several times, they also got Lamentz to finally admit
that there was a fourth person in the car with them,
but he said he didn't know the man.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
How many people were in that vacshet it was it
was just it was just me.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
It was just us, just you three.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
There was nobody else in that vac sheet.
Speaker 11 (26:50):
What was really good? That's it?
Speaker 14 (26:52):
It was a good just you three as nobody else.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
I don't know they, dude, I don't know him like this.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
And I thought there was something else in the back set.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Yeah, but we go to school.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I don't know them, you can see. Got excuse me,
that's about sir. I respect. I don't know them people, Sir,
I don't hang I just going to school, he said.
Speaker 14 (27:09):
Dropping them all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I want to make sure I get this right. You
guys pull up. There's Troy driving, you in the front
passenger seat and Keilo in the back sheet with another guy.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
You don't know. You guys pull up, Kelo gets out
of the car.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You guys, hear gun shots and you guys drive off,
park the car, get out and run right.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
There was a pending the dropped panting, I don't we
don't know, we don't know what shots and we don't
know what's her while we stayed up for while?
Speaker 11 (27:39):
We why we take him up while we know what.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
While we were taking it as some bullshit, Let me
ask you me, I'm sorry, let me ask you what
what was?
Speaker 11 (27:47):
What we why we go like we don't know?
Speaker 10 (27:50):
We don't know what what.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Over the whole interview, Lemons denied ever getting out of
the car with k and insisted that he was not
his killer. Both Troy and Lamont were booked for armed
criminal action and murder in the second degree. The next day,
police from the Mystery Task Force, along with the FBI's
Special Agent, went out to find lawnmower man, whose name
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they determined to be Marx Bartley. They found him walking
down a street pushing a lawnmower. When approached, Mark started
rambling about a shooting. Marx voluntarily went to the police
station to be interviewed. He told police that on the
day of the shooting, he'd been outside when Troy's car
approached him. Kilo was in the car and he started
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demanding that Marx cut his grass for him. Marx went
on to claim that Kilo was a bully and that
the word on the street was that Kilo had told
some local drug dealers that they needed to pay him
if they wanted to do their business. Marx called it,
quote some sort of an extortion thing. He said Kilo
told some older drug dealers to quote cut him in
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or cut it out, and that he tried to pull
the same thing on another set of dealers and that's
what got him killed. Interestingly, Marx told police he was
not the fourth man in the car that night. He
said he was never in the car with Kilo. According
to Marx, the fourth person in the car, the one
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that Lamont claimed in his interview that he didn't know,
was another member of the Joiner family, who police figured
out was Joshua Joiner, Lamont's brother. Police arranged a photo
lineup to be viewed by Marcus Hines, the man who
was found trying to help Kelo into a car. Police
wanted Marcus to identify Lamont's as the man he saw
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in the yard that night, but it seems at some
point the police gave up after Marcus continuously refused to
meet to view the lineup. Now Here, something even stranger happens.
An entire year goes by. Why I can't really say,
but after a traffic stop on April eighteenth, twenty twenty one,
(30:05):
Lamont's brother Joshua join her is finally arrested and brought
in for questioning regarding the killing of Kilo. More after
the break. Now back to the show, yo.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That ben both by and mir him he was hot
and killed over on a castle last year. To my
understanding that you were in a vehicle when has happened
in the bank seat, you in the back seat, Okay,
just walking through what happened that day?
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Man, Look when they picked me up and I was
coming over to give him marijuana.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
In a sort of confusing way, Joshua basically describes that
there was an argument going on that seemingly took place
inside the house. He says that when and Lamont were
outside again in the front yard, Kilo was heated and
Joshua got out of the car to try to calm
Kilo down, but ultimately got back in the car when
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he wouldn't let me ask you.
Speaker 14 (31:13):
This what was the argument about? I can't see the
brin tell you what was the argument about? Because I
don't I heard they had been so favorite like this.
Speaker 13 (31:21):
Did you have the same man?
Speaker 10 (31:22):
He got?
Speaker 14 (31:23):
He was telling him the same.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Thing without them to bringing their zone. That's what I'm saying.
You didn't see you, correct, Yeah, I ain't. I know
he ain't had no bone.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
We don't.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
When I got in.
Speaker 11 (31:37):
They called at guns than they for. I understand that,
my brother and all of them, but.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
Kevin on Bun on this ship.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Man.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
It was just we were just in the wrong place
at the.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
Wrong time, that's all it.
Speaker 14 (31:52):
Wash. See, you think somebody in the outs out of here.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
I think somebody in an outside.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
After running through his version of events, Joshua ultimately says
he thinks someone inside the house shot Kilo, which Detective
bray Miller tells him doesn't align with the fact that
Keilo was shot in the yard. In their discussion, there
is a really interesting statement that the detective makes offhand.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
My brother told him come on, and then he did.
He looked at the day seam or brother told me
like Tillian, come on. But I can't tell no dame
of the.
Speaker 14 (32:24):
Company, can't you, man? And I know this kind of lang,
but I know how he is. I've dealt with every years.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Detective bray Miller is referring to Kilo when he says
that he's no angel and that he's dealt with him
for years. Finally, the interview ends with a detective explaining
to Joshua, what is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Nextly said, and then I'll ready presenticates to the procyan
Urny's office sometime this week.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
And then after this, dude, ain't you ain't gonna talk
to me no more or none of that.
Speaker 14 (32:57):
Te Hey already give it to Brocky and Hurdy to
review the case.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And they think there's evidence against you for the murder,
then then they'll talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
But you knowing, I ain't doing no being honest, you
know I ain't doing though.
Speaker 14 (33:12):
Yeah, but I finally I know I believe that there's you.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Think you think that my brother did be.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
Wow?
Speaker 14 (33:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:26):
Wow?
Speaker 14 (33:29):
You know because your brother's saying you weren't even there.
You know that he didn't know who the other person
in the vehicle was. It plain dumb on it?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Well, why is he like he don't because he don't
like to be in the whole.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah about a situation like that and look bad when
you like, especially when there's a body, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
So, yeah, I feel like I got enough evidence from my.
Speaker 14 (33:50):
Brother to say it's leaning that way.
Speaker 11 (33:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Wow, Yeah, it's definitely leaning that way.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And then another strange thing happened, namely nothing the cases
of Troy Doyle Junior, Lamont's Joiner, and Joshua Joiner were
all immediately moved to Saint Charles County, which is adjacent
to Saint Louis County. Why was this done because of
a conflict of interest? As it turns out, Troy Doyle
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Junior is the son of Troy Doyle Senior, a longtime
lieutenant colonel serving in the Saint Louis County Police Department,
who at the time in question, was serving as the
director of the Justice Services Center. In March of twenty
twenty three, Troy Doyle Senior was sworn in as the
new chief of Police for Ferguson. What we can see
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from the documents we've been able to get from Saint
Charles County is that the attorney in charge of the
case is Carrie Sullivan. We see that in October of
twenty twenty, so about six months after police arrested Lamont's
and six months before they would arrest Joshua, Carrie reaches
out via email to Detective Bray Miller to ask him
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to show the photo line up to Mark Spartley aka
lawnmower Man. Bray Miller responds, telling her that he wants
to talk with her about the case, either over the
phone or in her office. We have had many, many
issues getting local agencies in Saint Louis to comply with
Missouri's state transparency Sunshine laws, and to this point in
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our document request to Saint Charles County for records in
this case, we only got two emails back, the one
we just mentioned and to second one sent by the
Saint Charles attorney a few months later, requesting an update.
Speaker 15 (35:47):
In his response to that email, Detective bray Miller is
a bit coy referring to a person as quote the
one we talked about instead of by name. Context allows
us to presume he was referring to Joshuajo. After all
of this, the interviews with every witness, the gathering of evidence,
the moving of the case to a nearby county, and
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off the book's meetings with that county's attorney, nothing ever happened.
Lamont's Joiner was not charged with murdering Keilo and Troy
Doyle Junior and Joshua Joiner were not charged with anything
relating to the case either. All we have to explain
why these three men were never subject to criminal charges
is a copy of a warrant application refusal sent a
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detective Bray Miller from Saint Charles County. It states that
warrants to arrest Troy and La Monts are being refused
for the following reason quote unable to determine shooter beyond
a reasonable doubt witnesses, uncooperative, lack of physical evidence to
determined shooter without eyewitness testimony. This warrant refusal was sent
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out on March second, twenty twenty two, nearly a year
after the arrest in questioning of Joshua and two years
after Keith those killing. The sparse return of documents to
our requests on this case from both Saint Charles and
Saint Louis County is troubling. We have the audio you
heard of Lamont's and Joshua Joiner because Saint Charles County provided.
Speaker 14 (37:13):
Them to us.
Speaker 15 (37:14):
But when we got the videos of Marx Bartley and
Marcus Hines, the files were non functional. There were zero
bytes in size and existed only as unplayable file names,
and there was no video given.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
To us at all.
Speaker 15 (37:27):
Troy Doyle Junior. Producer John Duffy got on the phone
with Katie Rickerson, the manager of the Saint Charles County
Prosecuting Attorney's Office, to ask about this.
Speaker 17 (37:36):
You tried to get me those video files. Did they
work for you?
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (37:41):
No, they did not. If we would have needed them,
we would have researched how to play them and whatnot.
Speaker 17 (37:46):
And then you said you didn't have one at all
for Troy Doyle Junior. Ye, did you guys get rid
of it or were you never given one?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 12 (37:54):
I sent you everything we had, so if I didn't
give it to you, we never got it.
Speaker 17 (37:58):
I guess my confusion is because you gave me a
letter that said that St. Charles County didn't have the
evidence necessary to move forward on trials with any of
these men.
Speaker 14 (38:08):
But then it would be.
Speaker 17 (38:09):
Weird that you were given either no evidence for some
of the men like Troy Doyle Junior, or evidence that
didn't work Like where the.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Word the I mean?
Speaker 12 (38:17):
You always have a right to put in a request
to Saint Louis County or the Saint Louis County Police
Department to see what they have.
Speaker 15 (38:26):
Okay, the Saint Charles County Prosecuting Attorney was responsible for
bringing Keilo's killers to justice, but seemingly they weren't provided
with all of the video evidence they would need to
go forward with a case. Was this failure to provide
all the video testimony to Saint Charles County an intentional
move made by someone in Saint Louis County who was
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trying to protect Troy Doyle Junior on behalf of his father,
or was it an innocent mistake. If so, what explains
the total failure to prosecute at least Lamont's joiner for
shooting Quilo. The email that we read from Saint Charles
County Prosecuting Attorney's office that said they didn't have enough
evidence without witness testimony makes it seem like they couldn't
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have just subpoened Marcus Hines to testify in court. At
the end of the day, we did this deep dive
into Kilo's murder to see if it looked like he
was killed for his possible role in Darren's death or
if there was possible crossover with any of the players.
The one link we found seems to be Troy Doyle Junior,
who is cousins with Bottom Boys member LP, which we
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were able to determine by looking at Facebook. The effort
to collect information on Keilo's death was riddled with hurdles
placed before us that took months to clear, and Darren's
case was even trickier, with simple information such as his
medical examiner's report being kept behind lock and key. That's Sherry, Hey, Sherry,
(39:52):
this is Reynovishlsky. I got three Sunshine requests with you.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yes, yes, yes, thanks to calling.
Speaker 15 (39:58):
This is Sherry Luter from the Saint Louis County Prosecuting
Attorney's Office. You heard her at the end of episode
six telling us that Anthony Irvin was recommended for prosecution
as Darren's murderer. I'm calling her so that she might
talk to the Medical Examiner's office and tell them that
it's okay to give us their report on Darren.
Speaker 16 (40:17):
We got a response from the Medical Examiner's office that
they couldn't share the autopsy because just this week they
said that it was an active investigation by the Prosecuting
Attorney's office. I'm curious if they contacted you about Darren
Seal's and you were like, no, no, no, we're moving ahead
on something with that or.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Oh, Darren Steel, how do you spell it?
Speaker 15 (40:42):
It took her a minute to find Darren's case in
her computer system, and she actually had to find it
by looking up Anthony Irvin.
Speaker 13 (40:48):
MM.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, so here's Darren Stields.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
And the reason that.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I couldn't find it before is because we have His
name is dr.
Speaker 17 (40:57):
E n not want Oh wow, okay, so that's and we.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Also don't have there's no information in our system on
this man except an adress. Like, we don't have a
social we don't have a data birth, we don't have
a race, a gender, a high to weight. There's nothing
in here about this victim except an andress.
Speaker 15 (41:24):
After talking with Sherry, we were able to convince the
medical examiner to give us Darren's autopsy report. It describes
that his body was on the floor of the passenger
seat in his jeep. His lungs had no soot in them,
so he was dead before the fire started. And the
bullet that killed him it was fired into his face.
(41:44):
It entered through his teeth on the lower left side,
pierced his tongue, and traveled upward into his skull, where
it was lodged but still So many questions remained, and
as we scratch at them, so many new questions come
to the surface. This why did the prosecuting attorney have
no basic information about Darren in their computer system? And
(42:06):
if Kilo was Darren's killer? Why why would Kilo want
to kill Darren if Darren was trying to help Keilo's
rap career take off.
Speaker 10 (42:16):
And why are we.
Speaker 15 (42:17):
Seeing so much FBI involvement, not only Darren's massive FBI file,
but the FBI participating in arresting Kilo's alleged killer. What
were these guys involved in? We hoped the other members
of the Bottom Boys could shed some light on all this.
That's next time on After the Uprising. After the Uprising
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is a production of Double Asterisk and iHeart Podcasts in
association with True Stories. Season two was written, reported, and
produced by Maria Chappelle, Nadal, John Duffy, Mallory Kenoy, and
Reinno Vashlski. Executive producers are Nikki Atour and Lindsay Hoffman
for iHeart Podcasts, John Duffy and Reinnovishewski for Double Asterisk,
David Cassidy and Ruth Baka for True Stories. Directed by
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John Duffy and Renoviashlsky theme song and score by Zachary Walter.
Sound engineering and mixed by John Autry. Fact checking by
Muffin Humes, Marketing by Alison Canter, Fair Use Legal by
Peter Yazy and Brandon Butler. Legal by Holly Decan for
iHeart Podcasts and Keith Sklarr for Double Asterisk Missouri. Sunshine
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Legal by David Rowland. Show logo by iHeart Podcasts using
a photo by Attilo da Gastino. Our interns were Hannah
Madura and Rosemary Fiery. Website by Stephanie Clark. Recorded at
David Weber's Airtime Studios in Bloomington, Indiana. We want to
acknowledge additional investigation that became part of this podcast was
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conducted by Detective Adams in the Saint Louis County Police
and the FBI, who did not participate in this podcast,
and by a Mere Brandy Mosey Secret and Darnell Singleton.
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