Andre Miller on Death of True Point Guards, Hilarious NBA Stories, Pickup Battles vs. 90's Utah Jazz

Andre Miller is one of the most underrated point guards in NBA history, and he sat down with Matt to share his journey on and off the court. From his unlikely path through Utah to becoming the NBA’s iron man, Miller explains how he managed such incredible longevity without the modern training craze. He dives into stories about Carmelo Anthony, Blake Griffin, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and what it was like getting traded for Allen Iverson. Miller also reflects on the “death of the point guard,” pickup runs with John Stockton and the Jazz, and the unforgettable moments that defined his 17-year career. This episode is packed with gems from one of the game’s most respected veterans.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peace of the planet, charlamage to God.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Here before we get into today's episode, we've got to
celebrate the Black Effect Podcast Network. It's turning five years old, man,
five years of powerful voices, unforgettable moments in the community
that keeps growing.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the power of the platform. Now let's get
into it. Welcome back to All the Smoke. My brother
Stack missed some flights this morning, so I'm running this
solo today. But nevertheless, someone I got a chance to
play with and played against for a long time. Some
of the to me never got to just do from

(00:34):
the media, but from a player's standpoint, I mean this
is one of the best point guards of my time.
Welcome to the show. Andre Miller.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
My dog.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Drabbing, chasing you for some years to get you in
that seat. Bro.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, I've been man, busy, I've been ducking and dodging,
but I'm busy. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, thanks
for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
No problem. So what's what's going on the late last
I heard you were coaching in the G League for
the Denver Nuggets. But as we were chilling before the show,
a lot of shit has gone down since then, so
so so break what happened, what went down, and currently
what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I started going to summer league games after I retired,
and you been out what nine years now, I've been
out nine years. I retired in twenty sixteen, and then
you know, I just started going to you know, being
a fan of basketball and found my way into you know,
going to the Las Vegas summer leagues, and I bumped
into Calvin Booth and he asked me, was I interested

(01:33):
in coaching? And I said sure. So, you know, I
became the head coach of the Denver Nuggets G League team,
the Grand Rapids goal which I thought the team actually
played in Denver, No, but I was in Grand Rapids Michigan, oh, exactly,
the last three winners, which was really cold, but great experience.
Three years in the G League. Learned if I really

(01:55):
wanted to do that, try to coach and stuff. Now
I'm out of the coaching trying to figure out my
next move. But it was a great experience and I
was happy to be a part of the coaching style.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Take us back to what that grind is like in
the G League. You played seventeen years in the NBA.
It's a lot different. I was telling you off. My
first year was in the G League and we had
eight hour bus rides, six hour bus rides. We used
to fly in little planes like the Labama planes. Hopefully
y'all had bigger planes y'all flew in. But what is
that grind like? Because it's not a lot of money.
You really gotta love that shit to go play in
the G League?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh yeah, you definitely gotta love it, man. I mean
we was on eight nine hour bus rides, blizzards, blizzards,
you know, the Iowood of Indiana, Detroit, Cleveland, and you
really gotta love the game, man. And you know, I
just wanted to be around the players, pay it forward,
you know, pass on the information. But you know, it
was definitely a grind. You know, I learned a lot

(02:46):
about myself, a lot about you know, the players, you know,
to see these guys and how they approached basketball. I mean,
we was traveling, commercialing on the bus and you got
guys dressing in Gucci, Louis Vatan, all types of something like,
hey man, look this ain't it man like staying at
the comfort in We ain't staying at Norit, no.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Rits, none of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It was it was tough, but it was a great experience.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Do you see yourself continuing in the coaching ranks, whether
that be NBA, college, or would you like to transition
into management at some point.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Whatever's out there, you know, whatever's out there, I think,
you know, I think I have the brain and the
tolerance to you know, coach on any level. And I think,
you know, the NBA and college especially need guys, you know,
retired players to come back and actually teach the game
the right way, you know, And all I did was
just stick to my fundamentals of what I was taught

(03:36):
and try to spread that message.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
And I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
But you know, whether it's management, anything, to be around
basketball is cool. But if not, you know, I'm a fan.
I'm gonna still be around the game because it's something
that helped me out throughout my career.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
A true point guard in every sense of the word,
you were someone that made every team you went to better.
Some of the greater player you ever played with spoke
very highly on just what you were about and how
you got everyone involved. Rick Patino recently said the death
of the point guard has arrived. There's not too many
true point guards out if you have the clip.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
There are no point Gouds anymore. I mean, if you
find it, you'll probably describe him as a guy who
can't share.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Both came uncompetent.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
He's a combo scoring guard. I don't think he's looking
for the assists.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
I think he's looking at a score, and thank god
he is still. And whether it's whether it's the champion,
who's the point guard in the coming said this to
the team, who's the point guard at the Knicks?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Just the lake the.

Speaker 7 (04:40):
World champions. The point god is totally done in basketball.
The days of John stock Beet are long gone. There
are no more pointcuds. Chris Paul is probably the last one.
So you got to play with everybody handling the basketball
five out and just to create good movement.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
The game has obviously changed since you and I played,
and it is to Patino's credit everybody does a little
bit of everything out there. As someone who was again
the leader of the team on the floor, what are
your thoughts when they say, you know the point guard
position is slowly dying.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I agree, I agree. And just to be in the
G League and even be around some college players, just
just the conversation alone with some of these you know,
so called point guards. You know, it's it's unfortunate, but
you know, it's a scoring game, and these guys believe that.
You know, in order to make it, you know, you
got to put that ball through the hoop. But you

(05:34):
know it goes Rick Patino. He's been around a long time,
so he definitely knows what he's talking about. So for
him to say it and for me to see it
and hear how some of these young guys, these young
guards approach the game like, ah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
are you unselfish? Are you monitoring your teammates behavior and
how they approach the game? Like you know, somebody might

(05:57):
have had a bad day today, Like you know, you
know what, man, I gotta get you the ball today,
Like you haven't had a good game in a while,
you know what I'm saying, Let me get you going
like that takes a lot.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
It's not just going out there and passing the.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Ball, but you gotta be really unselfish and and really
get your teammates in vaught and get to know them
as a person like I didn't get to know the
Carmelo Anthony's And again congratulate him on the Hall of Fame.
But you know it was just a body language. Feel
like I can read him, Kenyan Martin Jr. Nay Nay,
I can read their body language. I didn't communicate with

(06:29):
them much, but I can tell, like, you know what,
I gotta get it going.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's funny you said that because Carmela spoke so highly
of you and how important you were during his time.
Take me in the mindset because again you just named
some some people that could put the ball in the basket.
What is your approach coming into a game as a
point guard when you have all those type of weapons.
You got Carmelo, you got a Jr. You got to
Kenyan Martin, You've probably got some guys off the bench
to eat the ball. You got a.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Bird man. We had a crazy team. And you know
I was good too. I'm a point guard. You know
I gotta set the tone. Yes, in practice, I gotta
be available every day. And it's like, you know, of course,
you know you hear how they talk about George carl
You know what I'm saying. So it was like, man
like George is like Dre. We got to get them
to practice. They're like, and what you want me to

(07:13):
say to them, dudes, you know, I'm just like to
practice practice, you know, like we practiced hard, very very competitive,
but some days some guys just didn't have it. Like
you what you want me to say? Like, no, I'm
gonna just go out there and try to lead by example, right.
You know, I might joke around and do something different
in practice because we all get tired of the repetition.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
So let me make a couple jokes, you know, let
me do something to get the three man We were
doing three man we for.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Thirty forty five minutes, Like okay, let's climb around a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
But you know, I just tried to read their body language,
and I.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Approached it everything in the NBA with a certain level
of respect for my teammates. It all started with respect,
and that's how I earned it through the work ethic
and the respect.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Tell me what you saw from Carmelo Anthony to me,
one of the toughest guards I ever had to play against,
A three level score, can get a bucket any possession
as soon as he steps over half court. What was
it like working with him?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Man?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
It was great, man, just to see his work ethic,
all those guys I mean rookie baby meo.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
He should have won Rookie of the Year with all
him Inspector Broun Meller had a hell of a season
and y'all made the playoffs, right.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, we made the playoffs. Me and my buddies were
just talking about it on the way over here, and
you know, I was like, man, look he came over
there and we worked, and he led.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
He didn't leave with his mouth. He led with his
work ethic.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
And whether you liked him or not, you know, hey,
he deserved to have that type of ego in that
attitude because he came to work. And that's what I
enjoyed about that Denver Nuggets team. You know, it was
some strong personalities, but we all worked and that that's
why I respect him a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
And again, congratulations Carmelo going into the Hall of Fame
very well. Deserved the best availability. Well, how's that ship go? Durability?
The availability? Best ability is availability. And we live in
a day and the age of load management, and you're
talking about guys taking practice off. Motherfucker's taking games off

(09:10):
these days just to rest a little bit. You were
someone who was an iron man? Is it? Because I've
heard different I heard three games. I heard six games
that you missed, But you were there night in night out.
For someone who played seventeen years, you would think you
were on some kind of high tech regimen and lyft
and eat in them. But you just love the hoop.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, a Burger's and frogs, a pizza, yeah, you know
what I'm saying. Popcorn, you know. And I let my
body gain weight in the summer. I didn't do nothing special.
It was just the urge and the hunger to be
available in practice in the games.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
The three games that I that I say, I missed,
two of them were to funerals and one of them
was to a hurt ankle, I believe. But I just
wanted to be out there. I just wanted to be
out there. It was no way that I was gonna
miss a practic this. There was no way that I
was gonna miss a game. It was just that I
wanted to be available for my teams, like they know,
Drake gonna get me the ball, you know what I'm saying.

(10:08):
So that's what I took pride.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
In tell me about, because again, some guys killed themselves
in the summertime, and you kind of felt like that
burns your laid Like what was your mindset in double park? Question?
What was your mindset about summer workout? Because you didn't
do a ton of it? And then how long would
it take you to kind of get your touch in
your feel back once you came back.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I think at the end of the season, like
I never I only made it past Mother's Day maybe
like once or twice. That's when you get to like
the second third round. Man, it's over, man. So you
know I come right back home to Los Angeles and
you know it's barbecues. You know I'm eating. I'mna gain
twenty pounds in like four or five days, you know

(10:46):
what I'm so, you know, straight up, man, But I
take I take like May June off. And since I'm
not tall, like y'all, man, I can always pull up.
You know, I see some people on this street playing
and just jump in and play some pickup ball. But
you know, it really picked up once kids started to
go back in school in August and then everybody would

(11:09):
go to UCLA. Let me get up in here and
try to share some of this weight, which I couldn't
and then you know, play till you know labor day weekend.
And then like that's when I started, like you know,
whether I was in Sacramento or somewhere, I start doing
like crazy workouts. I'll go run the side of a freeway,
you know, after a club or something like that.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Or yeah like that. Yeah, talk to just about some.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Of your like you like, you know, we'll go to
a club or something. And you know, I wasn't no
drinker like that, but you know, in order to get
in shape, because I wasn't the type of person that
to go get with other guys and work out and
just have my own routines. We go to the club
like let me out, man, let me help me out,
let me out, and then I'll run from you know,
downtown Sacramento to you know and the Tomas, you know somewhere,

(12:00):
you know. So that's what I did. I did that
for a while, and then I just found various routines
that fit me. And you know, I still going to
camp like ten pounds over, and I just looked at
it as you know, I didn't want to over exert
myself in the summer because I knew the NBA was
a grind. So the guys that was working out in
the summertime. They breaking down around Christmas where we knew

(12:23):
that ship the season started, like you know, after All Star, Yeah, hey,
it's gonna pick up. So I was still I was.
I was getting into my groove like around Christmas time,
and then you know I faded a little bit and
you know, pick it back up when it's time for playoffs.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
You spoke about those UCLA runs. What do you remember
about those?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Man? I just remember it was this little short guy,
you know, you just walk in. He put you on teams.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I forgot at him.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he just picked teams and stuff, and
I just want to play. So I'm getting there early.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's like fifty dudes in the gym, and you know,
I took a lot of pride and going over there
because I felt like, you know, this is where I'm
gonna get.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
My and this was my game. People don't understand, like
who was there, Like everybody was in that da.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah. I saw KG say something to I think Wimby
is something like, hey, man, go over to U C.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
L A and get after it. Hey, And that's what man.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I had fun sometimes playing over there more than I
did an NBA games. So I enjoyed to see you
guys come out, and you know I was there right at.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Three o'clock, ready to rock, ready to rock. You also
got a unique experience because I say I made the
NBA because of those UCLA summer runs. It was such
an elevated level of basketball when I was in college.
But you had something similar out in Utah. When you
went to Utah, you got a chance to play in
the summer with John Stockton, Karl Malone and some of

(13:48):
the greatest Utah jazz players ever. Tell me what that
was like and what what what what guys were out
there playing with you.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Man, let me tell you something, man, like, I learned
so much in Utah. And the good thing about Utah
for me was that, you know, it was no football
to compete with. It was just the jazz and the
Utah youth basketball and football and everything that goes around
the university. So you know, once I left Los Angeles
in high school, I only came home one time, one

(14:14):
time out of five years of being in Utah. Because
every summer I was looking for those guys and they
worked out through the summer and then one September pickup.
You know they'll be at Westminster College. Like, damn, I
get to play against John Stockton, Howard Eisley Karl alone
with these big muscles. They coming in like I want

(14:35):
to play pickup ball, but they pick up ball was
running UCLA cuts and I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like they doing this for pickup ball.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So I learned a lot from Jeff Horniseack you know,
and Brian Russell, all those guys. Man, I was just
around them twenty four to seven. Whenever I can find
where they was at hooping, I was there all through
Salt Lake.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
What were you able to pick up about from two guys?
Because I think Jeff Horni sec is very overlooked and
underrated who was a killer. And then Stockton? What did
you learn at a young age from those two guys,
going day and day out the summertime with.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Them, Man, I learned the work ethic.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean I already understood the game and how to
read it, but you know, I learned leadership.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I remember one time Jeff Horne said, like after like
two or three hours of playing basketball, he grabbed me
in and took me to the other end of the
court because he knew I wasn't a great shooter. He
knew I was, man, he had me at the other end,
just giving me the game. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, man, that meant so much to me. Man, Like,
you know, for him to see that I'm a University

(15:34):
Utah player. He took time out of his schedule. It's
a grown man with family. Hey, Millard, come over here,
get some shots up. Let me let me show what
show you how to shoot this ball. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
And stop the man.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Come on, man, I mean, I mean, he a legend
of monitor. You know what I'm saying. I mean, like, hey,
he's not he's not so nice. I heard her saying,
he's not so nice. Like if you come in with
a little bit of flab on your stomach, can let
you know, like, man, get off the court, you're not
in shape. Yeah, he was like that. So you know,
I had a lot of respect. I was coming in there, chubby,

(16:06):
you know what I'm saying, and I burgers and fries
and you in that altitude like you know, and me
and Karl Malone, man, come on, man like man, male, Man,
I'm like like, man, he looked like a wrestler out there,
you know.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
So you know I had fun. Man, it was a
great experience for me.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's dope. You're not a big social media guy, but
every once in a while you'll scroll TikTok and see these, uh,
these trainers out here training these kids. What's your take
on that.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Man, Don't get me started, Man, I want to get
you started. Don't get me started on the train A
lot of respect to the trainers, you know, and we
all students of the game, and we all know the game,
but you know, to me, it just don't translate, you know.
I mean it's great, you know, you see him working
on moves and bumping into bodies, you know. And the

(16:53):
one part that I do like about training is the
players when they get like four or five guys and
to play defense and they making moves and all. I
like that kind of stuff. But just like the individual stuff.
It's cool. But you know, I'm kind of old school, man, like,
go find the five on five man, if you six
four or sixty five and under, man, it's somewhere, go
twenty four our fitness to the short gym, you know,

(17:15):
and get up and down and get used to working
on your craft in the five on five settings. So
you know, it's big ups and I'm not paying for
no training. I'm not paying no guy to train on some.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Moves, hey, bro, And they're paying these trainers crazy, you
know too? And I agree. I feel like that's what
the game lacks because our summer times were pick up basketball. Yeah,
their summertimes are head down. How many times can you
go between your legs and make these moves that you're
probably never going to be allowed to even use the game.
And then that's why I feel that the overwater influx
of European players that know how to play in a

(17:50):
five man set, that know how to play without the ball,
are starting to thrive, and the American players are kind
of getting a little bit left behind.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh definitely. I mean like even my players in the
G League, I'm like, look here, man, you just just
shoot the corner, three, play some defense, rebound the ball.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Oh man, you.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Hold me back, coach, you hold me back like I
gotta show what's I'm like, Look, if you got a bag, man,
you don't need to show all that stuff in the bag.
You just need a couple of things. Only the star
megastar is gonna be able to James harden it and
do all that. Kyrie stuff gone and do that stuff
and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
You'll be here, Hey, you'll be right over here. You
got a question too, because I think and I don't
think enough people talk about this. And obviously you played
the game at the highest level, then you coach the
G League understanding the simplicity in which they need to
get looked at, because I think, like you said, they
think they need to go on their bag. But if
you're in the G League and you're gonna get called
up to the NBA, you're gonna be a role player.
You're gonna be at the bottom towards the bottom of

(18:46):
the bench, and you're gonna be a specific energy guy,
rebound guy, knockdown shooter defender. But at the same time,
I think they think, just what, I gotta get my
bag coach. But that's when you're in the G League.
That's not unless you're a draft pick that's getting his
feet wet. If your guy has just been in the
G you're gonna come up to be a role player.
You got to find out what that role is.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Oh yeah, I mean I got called from management, like
you know, agents calling management saying like you know, hey,
you got to put my guy at this position, so
he can he can get off more like, he can
do more, he can dribble more, he could get more shots.
And I'm like, man, like, dude, that's not what you're
gonna be at the next level. You're gonna be a

(19:25):
role player. First of all, you're not gonna even be
a role player. He's gonna be sitting at the bench cheering.
And if you do get that opportunity, your greatest gift
that helped you get there, all of y'all is playing hard.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Just going out there and play hard and jump on
a loose ball or something like that, and maybe that'll
get you, you know, a ten day contractor or possibly
somebody get hurt and you get a call with these
guys like man, I got to shoot the three, Like,
look here, man, I had a kid this year, big guy.
PJ Hall. PJ Hall. I'm like, look here, man, look

(19:57):
what's going on with the nuggets. You know what I'm saying, Man,
you're a four man. First, you rebound, set screens, hustle,
play hard, and then you will find a three ball
here and there. But you just can't drift out there
and just shoot three balls because guess what, you're not
gonna get to do that on the top if you
get the opportunity. So show that you got some toughness

(20:18):
first and that you could bang with the big boys,
and then the three ball will come. And he fought
me a little bit, but you know he did that,
and now you know he's on this two way. I
think he just had a two way contract going into
this season. But you know, it's tough at times to
communicate that because the guys believe that putting the ball
through the hoop everything is their way?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Is this urban legend? Obviously this is before nil summer
jobs in college. Did you work at a bar in
a junk yard?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Man, Yeah, I worked at a bar. I worked, man. Look, man,
I took that sat and act about fifteen times. I'm sure.
I'm sure Moose. Moose was there with me taking these
preparatory classes. You know, Man, I couldn't I couldn't pass
that stuff. Man, So I was I was a non
qualifier my first year and I didn't go to high

(21:06):
school graduation. My mom put me on the plane with
a blanket and a bag, and I went straight out
to Utah this summer before school started, and I and
I worked in the junk yard for like two months,
like literally in one hundred and fifty degrees, separating you know,
rocks from cans. And yeah, yeah it was tough.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I slept in the car.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
I slept in the.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Closet in the summer, you know what I'm saying. Like
I stayed with Keith van Horn and a couple other guys,
Jimmy Carroll, you know, and they had a nice little
crib man and they didn't have no room for me,
So I slept in the closet. You know, get up
in the morning, go work at a junk yard. Then
I go work at a bar, cleaning up bathrooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(21:50):
I have to do what I gotta do.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
How did your streak end? Brian Shaw had no clue
and didn't Well, that wasn't.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
The first streak, man. The first streak ended when I
was in Portland. It was basically like we had a
hit out on Blake Griffin, Like, you know, this dude's
flying all around the rim duck and and stuff and
throwing elbows and he just got loose for a little
bit and I got a chance to get a hit
in and I ended up getting suspended.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
And you know what year was that.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
That had to be like oh nine, okay, I think
yeah right here, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know and at
that point, at that point, I played like about six
years straight without missing the game. And yeah I got my.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Hit in and so he pushed you in the back
right there.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Well it was it was a lot of stuff going on.
Come on, man, like seriously. But I ended up getting suspended.
But that's when everybody was you know, I didn't get
kicked out that game, but I got suspended. But shout
out to LaMarcus Audridge.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Man.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
The next day in practice, he brought me a big
frame it and it had how many games I played
in the row?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh really?

Speaker 4 (22:57):
And you know we didn't practice that.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
That was an appreciation and I got big, big respect
for LaMarcus Audridge and my teammates Jared Dayless.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah I got mine linebacker.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I played.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, fucker was in my back. Hey, I want to,
I want to. I remember that. That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I got a lot of respect.
I had fun. That was one of my fun times
playing in the.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
So they didn't even call a fouler.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
They didn't even call it foul. But if you watch
the next play with Market not LaMarcus, but Marcus can
be closed lining damn the next play. Yeah, he closed
lining I think the next play and he didn't get
he got I think he either got a technical or
kicked out.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
But I ended up having to talk to Stu Jackson and.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
You know you can't win that.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, that's when Blake Griffin. Yeah he was jumping all
over the place.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
But I mean credit to Blake that I first kept
going when I played with him, everybody tried to beat
him up. Yeah, but he was a bull. Oh face
mask fifteen.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yards somebody whacked somebody.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I thought that was your first streak. And then the
street with Brian Shaw talked to us about that.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Shout out to Brian Shaw. You know, like my ego
kicked in really and you know how you know when
you get older, when you get older, you know, and
for somebody to tell you, you know what, man, we
don't need you to do all.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
That no more.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And it kind of hit the ego because I was
a veteran trying to speak up for my teammates and.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
It was just a little bit of a disagreement.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And what's crazy is, you know, me and him talked
it out, you know, I think within the last three
or four years. You know, his daughter lives in San Diego,
and she came over Tom. She brought the whole family, Brian,
his wife, the grandma. We even got in the studio,
started rapping, you know, you know, like we had a

(24:46):
good time, and we talked it out, man, because like,
you know, I never had nobody tell me like, you know,
you know what dre is you on the back end,
we need to you know, and I took it personal,
and you know, we talked it out, and it's all.
I got a lot of respect for Bronshaw, you know,
and I hate that it turned out the way it did.
But I was like, shit, man, Like the only thing

(25:06):
I probably myself in is playing games. And for me
not to get a DMP, like I ain't never had
no DMP in fifteen years. So like for y'all to
pull my jersey off, like dude, like what's going on? Man,
at least let me like put me in for a minute.
But the whole team had played, I hold up, even

(25:26):
the rookies, and I'm sitting over there like, man, am
I gonna get in because I'm in the rotation?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
So how the rest of that go, because I know
obviously that's gonna turn you sour or how the rest
of that situation go.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, what ended up happening with that situation was I
ended up getting suspended and it was like, you know,
they locked me out the arena, you know, like from
like January to February, and the Nuggets was just like,
you know what, we just gonna say you away from
the team for personal reasons.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
But they let you in.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, So they locked me out the arena. I was
working out at Life Time Fitness for like a month
and a half and shout out to Al Harrington. I
get a call from Washington. Al like, man, come over here,
man now men our was locker roommates in Denver. Our
lockers was next. So he went on to Washington. Nay,
they went to Washington. So they both called me. It

(26:17):
was like, come to Washington. So I went to Conley.
Tim Conley, who's the gym for the Timberwools. Now, I'm like, man,
trade me to Washington. They traded me to Washington and
then I finished out you know, going there and then
on the Sacramento, Minnesota and San Antonio. So but you know,
it was it was a good learning experience. The NBA

(26:39):
throw so many curve balls at you and.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Where you don't really learn the business side of it.
In the mental side. I'll be telling people like, once
you get there playing as ten percent the mental ism, Yeah,
keep people.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Back and you thinking like it ain't gonna be me.
It ain't gonna be me, and all my trades. Was surprised, like, man,
I hope.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It wasn't me, you know, the hoping me.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
And hey, you get to shake your hands, gluck to you, Drake,
good luck to you, and man like where I'm gonna go. Man,
I got dogs. We're gonna watch my dogs.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Man, like you know, but you know, it's a part
of the business.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And I just tried to keep my head down to
the ground and pride myself on being available.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
What you talked about earlier.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Dre the roller skater, Yeah, talk to me about your
roller skating game. Man.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I've been roller skating, man since I was about nine
ten years old, Yeah, to this day. So that's my hobby.
You know, even though my feet hurt, roller skate, man,
I ain't putting on no roller blades, man, catch me
in no roller blades. But but no, man, that's always
been my hobby, you know, as much as I liked
hanging out when I played ball and we on the

(27:43):
road traveling, it was nothing for me to find that,
you know, a city. We end up in Chicago and
I find myself in the South side of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
At a skating ring at a skating rate.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah yeah, I definitely go, you know, by myself if
I knew somebody in that city, instead of going to
a club or getting out, I take my skates with
me on the road.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
You know, And can you imagine just run into this
motherfucker the night before game.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah for real. So you know, that's that's
how I made friends around different cities through the skating ring.
And shoot, now I'm state to state skating friends everywhere. Now.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, I watched this clip we had La on the
show a little while ago. Watched this clip. Tell us
you a Dray Miller story.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, So first year with him, and I
had never played with an elite elite because I you know,
I hadn't played with Dame yet and was it too.
That's when I was like starting to kill. So team
was like Dole teamMy like they were in front of me.
I couldn't get the ball. You know, he talks all how.
I was cool with him, but he would always call

(28:48):
me the markets ower. I'm like, Bro, stop calling me that.
So we in the game. He said, my whole long
ass name like Bro stopped. But he was like, Mars,
just come here. And I'm like, Bro, first of stopped
calling me that. But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
He was like, hey, when you're on the block, just
go to the rim. I'm like, Drake, I can't see you.
Don't worry about just go to the rim. Man.

Speaker 8 (29:08):
He tripping. I can't even see this nigga. I was like,
all right, bet we on the block. I'm getting front
of it. I spinn and go to the rim. That
mother is right there. I was like, oh my god, y'all.
I was like, okay, we good now. And that's the
year we let the whole league in lobs.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Bro. Like that was that year was Bro?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It was crazy, how easier all he's a great live door.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
Just spent to the rim. I was like, all right, Bro,
I can't see you, so I can't see the ball.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
So we we we in l a Bro. We didn't
live having a good ass time this black I think
we had. We had been winning and winning and winning.
So we got to tell you what, it's the whole crew,
and like we asked him to go out, but only
I don't think he said he wanted to Long story short, bro,
and y'all know this niggas, y'all gonna get it.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
We in the club, we having a good time. We
kick it it.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
We on the Floyd Live. You know, it's the vig
down there. We looked to the left and the corners.
The nigga boy himself just chilling. It was d what
the fuck you're doing at this spot?

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Oh, y'all good? Bro, y'all good?

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Bot by himself, like right by herd in the corners.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Doug as the motherfucker in the corner. It's Dre just
kicking it by himself. Bro.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I said, like, what's up? Areall y'all good? Bro?

Speaker 8 (30:16):
Y'all know, I'm like, he'll give a baron Davis have
that same type of little bit like that. So we
laying in Dallas. He right to the skating y'all want
to go skating with me? Like, Bro, Like I remember,
like what I grew up. He in the hood where
I grew up niggas. He was like, yo, dre here.
I'm like, yeah, bro, skating dancing like.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
One of the kind bro.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Shout out to LaMarcus, man.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I mean, he was probably like, you know, a combination
of all the power forwards that I played with from college,
Keith Van Horn, Elton Brand, you know, Kenyon Martin, you know,
all a combination, all them that can play inside and
out for me to be able to just throw the
ball up to him, and man, it was easy to

(31:07):
get assists, you know. So you know athletes, man, these
dudes were special, man. And you know, any any way
I could help that dude on the court and in
my teammates.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Man, I was just throwing it up.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
It was a risk, and it was something that I
was doing in college with Van Horne. You know, it
was like a super athlete in college, Let's throw it
up to the rim. Man.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
It's like you got to figure it out up in
the air, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Because I'm it's gonna be there, and you know, and
I was nervous at times just about them getting low
bridge and hurt. But you know, the eager dollars of
the world, man, these dudes, super athletes. Man, I'm gonna
throw up wherever. You gotta figure out how to go
get it. So, you know, shout out to La man
and then you know the full name thing, you know,

(31:48):
like I've called all my teammates by their first and
last name, you know, straight respect, Carmel, Anthony ay Man,
like you know j R. Smith came.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Like.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
That's how I called everybody by their name. And I
saw that a lot of people tease me about it,
But that's how I coached the game.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Was it was straight respect.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I didn't call no guys by you know, Millo. You know,
I didn't call it like NB. You know, like I
called him by your first and last name, and it
got annoying at times, but you know.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
That's how much respect I got for you.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
You know what I'm saying was Brandon Roy on those Yeah,
Brandon Roy Man, what a special dude with a special dude,
a special talent. You know, man, if he was healthy
and Greg Oden was healthy, I mean like man, I mean,
Brandon Roy just.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Couldn't make it through no practices.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You know, his needs was shot when I got there,
and I felt bad for him because man, I really
thought I could have flourished with him, Steve Blake, Jared Bayless,
Martell Man. That team was so good and I was
actually on the court when Greg Odin blew out that knee,
and man, he was like, man, he.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Was special about him because he was someone I think
they called him a bus but he had a lot
of game and a lot of talent in his body.
He gave out, but he was very scared.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, I mean like him.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I mean he was like another version of like the
new coming of Shock, another version like that big, that
athletic and play with Boehn.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I mean he was big.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
And to have him and Brandon Roy, like, I wish
Brandon Roy could stay, you know, healthy, because I thought
I was slow, you know what I'm saying. Like people
say I was slow, but I just had a good
change of pace. But Brandon Roy, like how he maneuvered
and played with that ball. Man, he was special. Man,
both of those guys were special, and I wish they
was healthy. I thought we had a good run over

(33:35):
there because I think the one year we.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Lost to we lost to Dallas.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Dallas ended up winning the championship that year and we
lost to them, and then man, that was a good
series and you know the next year we lost to Phoenix,
and that's when Phoenix was rolling. That's when they really
started shooting three pointers with Steve Nash and Jason Richardson
and all those guys start of myres So, you know,

(34:01):
I wish those guys was healthy. But it was a
great run in Portland for those two years.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Hundred and ninth Street, Rex Center and watts Man.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
So I heard, you know, my big homie Max, Well,
my big buddy Maxwell, you know, with the Jerry kurw
But but yeah, man, you know, it was kind of like,
you know, right there where I grew up, and you know,
I made all my friends and it was rough. It
was just a recreational gym where you go play basketball
and you make friends and you know, and that's what

(34:32):
it was, you know. You know, I could say I
was already tough, but it kind of helped build some
some different type of toughness.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
How did you stay out of I mean, you you
grew up smack dab in the middle of gang culture.
How were you able to navigate, you know, walking walking
through the streets, going to school, walking on the railroad tracks.
A lot of people the Burger spot y'all used to
you know, frequent what kept you safe.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I never looked at it as a gang culture.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
We was kids life and you know, I was blessed
enough that you know, have you know, a mom. You know,
my pops wasn't around, but you know, there was there
was a lot of men that were mentors in my life,
whether it was in the streets, my godparents, people at school,
my friends. I was blessed enough to have friends that
had a father and a home, and you know, I'll

(35:20):
go over their housing, you know. And if I didn't
have to go to the park or you know, I
just figured it out. So I think it was organic.
It just happened. And you know, everybody was everybody had
a talent. Everybody was special in some type of sport
or or gifted academically. It was just that, you know,
you know, our route went different. And you know, I

(35:42):
give all those guys credit. You know, I'm saying that
that helped me along the way. So I'm a big
family man, I'm a big neighborhood man. And and and
that's what I do. That's why I'm away a lot,
because I'm where I supposed to be, you know, and
giving back.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Who were some other guys when you were coming up
and ended up making the league that you played with
at a younger age.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Man, So you know, since I was on that side
of town, you know, like you had the Ricky Prices
in Long Beach, you had to crench your guys with
Tremaine Folks and Christian Johnson, and then you had guys
from Freemont, the Bailey's you know, I'm Toby and Moose.
It was so much. Paul was a year younger than

(36:25):
me in Englewood, but they was such on an elite
level in high school, you know, like I wasn't on
that level. I was just a chubby, fat kid with
a lot of hair. And I'm like, man, we're going
to play those dudes like I get a chance to
prove myself. And you know, like I said before we
started running the Moose, like they got memories of us
going to like Superstar Camp and.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
What's funny you said, not to cut you off. I
have a group chat with some UCLA dudes and some
dudes that grew up at you, and I was like,
give me some good Dray Miller stories. Bro. They started
telling me stories about how you went to an All
Star Camp and played and sweats the whole time and
win MVP and said Ray was just always march to
a different beat. But he has so much game.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, my godparents introduced me at five six years old
to that YMCA basketball. I found my way to Inglewood
YMCA and Paul was playing in there, Baron was playing.
We didn't know, you know, we was just big time
Lakers fans and I believe the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Used to practice there back in the day.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
So for me to be able to play in that
type of environment, and I was always the younger one,
you know, everybody else was like a grade or two older.
So you know, my mom had me everywhere around Los
Angeles and on the outskirts playing basketball.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Talk to us about your brother and how your mom
started calling you doctor Dre, where that name came from.
Talkings to what that journey with your little brother and
what you went through with him.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
So in a nutshell, I tell people when I do
go talk to some of these youngsters and we talk
about adversities in life. You know, I was the kid
that was at the grocery store when you come out
with all the kN d A Matt you want to
buy candy for a dollar, you know what I'm saying.
My brother got sick at five years old and became disabled.
He was we were eleven months apart, and my brother

(38:10):
got sick and he was basically like a vegetable for
like six years. My brother passed away when he was eleven.
I was twelve, and yeah, I was a kid like
my mom would had this van. My mom had this
blue van, and she would allow you know, I hate
to say gang members, but you know, friends that were
older than me. They would take my van and they

(38:31):
had basketball teams and we would follow them all around.
In my age group, we would follow around them too.
So but yeah, I was a kid that standing outside
the grocery stores sell all the candy. We sell all
the candy, me and my friends from the neighborhood. And
then we would go to the drive in movies, or
we'd go to a wrestling match, or we'll save our
money and go to a Clippers game, you know what

(38:53):
I'm saying. So, you know, we at that time, you
couldn't even really get in Laker games back then, so
it was like we just got to sneak up there
and try to get some magic. Johnson autographs and stuff
like that afterwards. But we was taking that money and
just just going to buy up everything. We was all
through Los Angeles selling candy, so you know, that kind
of kept us. My mom kind of kept a lot

(39:13):
of the kids away from, you know, all the activities
in the streets. But you know, she let me go
a little bit. And then it was, of course, like
we all be at home before the lights come on
and stuff and hey, Dre, Dre, you know, your mom
looking for you and I'm running home in the middle
of the night. Knew I was gonna get a whooping,
you know, but but yeah, man, So that was the lifestyle.

(39:37):
You know, it was fun, you know, and you know,
it's a blessing that you know, I got a lot
of a lot of my friends that I I that
went on this journey with me since I was little,
you know, and some of them not get a chance
to come home, whether they did time or you know,
but it's a blessing to be able to tell this story.
And you know, we all had these dreams. We all

(39:57):
had these dreams. So that's why I was so committed,
and that's why I didn't mess up, because I knew,
you know, I can't let know none of these people down,
you know.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
What I'm saying. So you know that's why I stepped
to my grind.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Talk to me real quick about fatherhood, because I mean,
you explained our childhoods Obviously I'm northern California, southern California.
But we played outside, we made shit happened. We hustled
to get money to eat and to go do shit.
Like our kids never really got that experience, like the neighborhood. Yeah,
I feel like this generation of kids misses out, missed
out on so much because we learned, we learned life there. Yeah,

(40:31):
and our kids don't get that.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
It's tough.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I look at my son every day, my last one, thirteen, like, man,
get off the computer off something. I don't even remember
taking baths when I was little, you know what I'm
saying out the house, Like wait, we got whoopings for
not taking baths, you know, so because we was gone
soon as the sun came up. It was some eggs
and some bacon waiting, and then we didn't come home

(40:54):
till nighttime, like take a bath, we fall asleep right
back outside again. So yeah, definitely, so you know it
was fun, but you know, times changed, you know, and
I enjoy fatherhood.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
You know, I enjoyed the challenge.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
And you know, even though I'm not coaching, I still
get a chance to be a father and to my son,
you know, to try to least set some work ethic,
you know, and some values in them.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
So I take pride in that.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Watts to Utah. What kind of transition was that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Man, old man? I didn't get recruited. Number one, I
didn't get recruited because I put couldn't pass those test scores.
And I still remember like I was somewhere playing basketball.
I think I was in the neighborhood playing basketball, and
this fat white guy comes up to me, and uh,
I think that summer I played in some stuff called Rockfish.

(41:49):
I played in Rockfish one summer and I was playing
like six seven games a day. And then I was
like I felt like somebody was following me. But like
he came in the neighborhoo. It was like, you know, hey, man,
like I'm offering you a scholarship, but it's not because
you can play basketball. It was like I see your
mom running up and down the sidelines. You know, my

(42:10):
mom would yell up and down the sidelines while I
was playing, and Rick Majeri's offered me a scholarship. It
wasn't because I could play basketball. He was like, I'm
offering you a scholarship because of your mom. So You're like,
you know, I don't care if you pass the test
or nothing. We're gonna bring you out here. Proved that
you can do the academics. And that was the first
scholarship offer that I got. Donnie Daniels, who recruited me

(42:31):
to Utah actually went to verbon Day, but that was
the only scholarship.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Offer that I had, damn and I took that thing.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
And you know it was over the So what was
the process? You said you were a prop kid. You
didn't pass the test. So what happened your first year?
Did you stay out there?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, my first year, like I said, I graduated. I
graduated and then I missed.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I missed.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yep, I missed a graduation. I went straight out to
Utah started stealing everything. You know, I didn't have no money, man,
like the kids, and I'm happy they got n Ils man.
I was stealing everything in sight. Man, I went up there.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I was stealing.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Ribs, chicken, I stuff from me and my teammate Brandon
Jesse rest in Pec just passed away a couple of
years ago. But man, we didn't have no money. Man Like,
we had no cars. Like we go out there. It's like,
man like, like this is tough, so you know, and
I gotta go to school, you know, and it's two

(43:27):
three hundred kids in the classroom.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Man, I was just all messed up.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
But yeah, man, we was cooking all we was having
all ribbed and chicken barbecues.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Man, no sides, nothing else. Man.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Look, man, we was eating was still all men stuff
and stuff.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
Man.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I didn't even drink beer, man Like. We was just
stuffing stuff all in our sweats. And that was my
first year because I wasn't on scholarship. I had to
prove that I can do the academics. And you know,
I got on like you know, a couple of probations
and then something just registered like man like, man, I
need to get this in gear, you know. And after
that my first year, man, I never missed the class.

(44:08):
I never missed the class, and I got my degree
in what was special. Reason why I tell that story
is because when I graduated, you know, when you was
a non qualifier, you lose that year of eligibility, so
I only had three years of basketball. So when I graduated,
I graduated with there four years. I appealed the year
that I lost to the NC double A and I

(44:30):
got the year back. I was the first one that
did that. Okay, So guys like d Wade, Dwayne Wade,
he was a non qualifier. I mean he was so good,
either have to you know, stay. I ended up staying
the extra year because it was a lockout year.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Okay, So it was ninety eight, ninety eight. I thought
that was my freshman year.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, rica, Yeah, so it was nineteen ninety eight. That
was the year we went to the National Championship. Like, man,
I could go to the NBA now. But then the
lockout happened. So I was like, you know what, I'm
just there. I want to appeal, and they gave my
year of eligibility back, and then I enrolled in the
Master's program at Utah, so I didn't finish a man,

(45:10):
forget that, I'm just go to school master school, you know,
for like, you know, just to this semester and then
withdrew from everything and I was cool. So University of
Utah Chris Hill Manny Hendrix, Donny Daniel's Tommy. There's a
lot of people, man, that helped me along the way,
because Man, I didn't know how to talk when I
got out there, and I was shy. Man, I was scared.

(45:31):
And you know, my punishment was public speaking. Really I
had to go talk to a lot of kids and
you know, telling my story. And you know, it started
off with Kinnygartners and now I get to go into
the jails and the juvenile facilities and kind of you know,
mentor and help out with people.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
There wasn't that many people that had your skin tone
out there neither.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh. Man, Look, man, I mean everybody thought I was
white anyway. Everybody thought I was half white, you know,
so they thought I was Mormon, you know what I'm saying,
and good head. And it's like, you know, like it
was only like always only two black guys on the team,
so it was like we stuck out like a sore thumb.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
But it was a great experience.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Man. I just talked to Mike Doliak yesterday. I learned
how to ride a horse, I learned how to surf,
I learned how to wake board, I learned how to ski. Man,
I was jumping off cliffs and I was doing all
that stuff they do man, so you know, and to
pay it forward.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
We had a certain level of respect for each other.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
You know what I'm saying. They went, I went.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
To where they grew up. In my senior year, I
brought everybody to the neighborhood in the middle of the night.
We was on the road trip playing Long Beech State,
and I woke everybody up. We stole the vans and
I took them to the neighborhood, took them to the
neighbor took him to the neighborhood in the middle of
the night, like this is where I come from.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It was like talk to I mean, that's that's incredible.
I never heard tell you the.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Story, Like about twelve one in the morning, and I
gave them, you know, the raw and uncut you know
what I'm saying, and like, hey, I've been to where
y'all come from. Where y'all eating steaks and big baked
potatoes and stuff like over here, Let's go over here.
This is where my mom lived at this is she
right here. We didn't go in there because it was
night time, but we went right through the nap, Hey,

(47:13):
get out, let's go for a walk.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So you know one of my teammates, Yeah, well Van
Horn was gone. Doliac he was gone also because he
was his rookie year in the NBA because Doliac came
out to lock out you you know, and Keith came
out with Tim Duncan ninety seven. So it was fun, man,
it was fun. And you know, one of my teammates
went home told us Mormon family, you know, like we

(47:39):
want him to go on the Mormon mission over there.
You know, like okay, whatever, But you know, it was
just a respect thing. And I loved my teammates.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Keep van Horn had a lot of games about Van
Horn Man.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Van Horn Man.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
He was special.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Man. It was like he was the first excuse I mean,
first white guy that I was like, like, dang, I
thought he he was from Utah.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
But he's from Diamond Bar.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, he's from Diamond Bar. So I'm like, man, where
did y'all find us do that? And he was the
first guy every recruiter, every player that came in, he
challenged him to a one on one game like I'm
gonna let you know this is my team. He was
that good and he was mean, you know, and one
thing another thing I say, he never played basketball with

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the Utah Jazz. He always felt he was better. He
was already better than them. He was that good. And
if he did show up, he'd dominate the whole runs.
He was that good. He was that good, you know.
But you know, shout out to him. You know, he
just kind of like maybe lost his passion for it.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
You know, he had a good NBA career, and you know, he.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Had a lot of stuff like all of us had
going on, and you know, he scratched out a great
NBA career.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
But yeah, that's my brother.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
One hundred and fourteen and twenty in your college career,
lost to Kentucky three out of four years. That was
the teams with what Ron Mercer and them.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Look man, we had a good team.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
They beat us by sixty Ron Mercers, Antoine Walker, Tony
delk Man, Walter McCarry. Look man, I was shaking in
my heels on that court we played in Minnesota. I'm like,
hold up, like and I say, like, after the first
ten minutes, Rick Majeris was like, we just gonna try

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to cut this down five points at a time.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
That game was over.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
We literally lost that game at least by forty points,
and we was like a top ten team.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
They just ran through the tournament.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
That was like the best combination of talent that I
played against. They was ugly. Yeah, so it was. It
was fun. It was. It was definitely fun.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Man.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
It was you know that team and the North Carolina
team in eight, Antoine Walker and Vince Carter. I look,
man like they come out, Vince Carter, you know, doing
all this stuff in the warm up.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
So I'm like, man, we finist to get blasted.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Were about to get blasted. And this was when Antoine
Jamison couldn't even shoot. He was just shooting five foot floater,
Like I'm like, hold up, man, Like Vince Carter, like
I ain't never seen nobody jump like that before, like
in college, Like, dude, you're not even human man. And
we luckily enough beat them. You know, the team Mike Bibby,

(50:30):
Arizona Henderson, Dickerson, Miles Simon. Every time I see them,
I get mad, you know, because they was. I mean, like,
Mike Bibby.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Don't get a lot of credit.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Then.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Like as good as Alan Irverson's crossover was, I could
never get Mike Bibby crossover.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
You know, like it was just I couldn't understand it.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, Derek Rose like dude then,
like y'all just got too many moves. Let me back
up because I definitely fail a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
The art of the post game for a guard. John
Wall gave you a lot of credits that he's you're
the best he's ever seen for a guard on the block.
But it was you know Case Jkidd, Peyton Barron. Why
was that important to having your bag during that time
in the league.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
It was just something that I always watched when I
was little. I used to watch Gary Payton, I used
to watch Magic Johnson. I used to watch all the
big guards when I was little, and how they you know,
finess their body around the basket. And you know, even
I watched the Kevin McHale's and the James Worthies of
the world. It was so many bigs back then that
had post moves. So it was nothing like to be

(51:42):
in the neighborhood and it wasn't no one on ones
on the outside.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
It was banging on the inside.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So I developed that that post stuff, and I didn't
do it too much in college. But who gave me
the confidence to start doing it in the NBA was
John Lucas. John Lucas, he was, yeah, in Cleveland, he
was the coach my third year. You know, he'd be
like Richard, you know, man. He always call me Richard
pryor like go down there and post up, you know,

(52:09):
and and he let me do my thing, man. And
you know, it was all on what I saw, you know,
the Gary Payton. You know Gary Payton did at the score,
Jason Kidd did it the past. And I just kind
of used it as a combination, you know, of passing
and you know, because I felt like I can, I
had an advantage at times versus smaller guards.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So eighth picking the draft, who is in the who's
the number one picking your drafts?

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Elton, Elton Brown, one of my favorite teammates, Elk Baron,
Steve Francis Lamar, Corey mcgetty, Sean Marion. That I say,
Stevie fran Genobii. Did you know genob Secondary Genoblei. It
was a Jonathan Bender so much game. Yeah, it was some.

(52:54):
It was some good hoopers, Richard Hamilton, Ron Artests or
whatever you want to call.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Us Tamta run our test. So you finished fourth in
in rookie voting that year. Your first year in Cleveland
with Sean Kemp, uh Slick, Rick, Ricky Davis, Lamar Murray,
Bob Surah, big Z. What was it like out there?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
That was fun, man, But you know it was like
I'm coming in as a young guy and you know,
going to get donuts. Sean Kemp always had me running
to get a bucket of chicken before games. Yeah, man, anytime,
anytime in the.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Middle of he got a little bigger.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, that's that's the year he came over there. Like
it wasn't Sean killing Sean blimp. They start calling, But like, man,
like he came over there like two eighty two ninety
and I was still throwing them libs. He was still
averaging like twenty and ten and Clarence Wedderspoon, Breven Knight,
Earl Boykins. Like, I'm like, man, these are real NBA guys.

(53:53):
You know, like to sitting in the locker room and
you know, the first time I seen an event curse
out of coach who did?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I think it was Clarence Weatherspoon.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I'm like, man, that's the NBA you can coach cussing
coaches out, throwing chairs like man, like I'm just sitting
in the corner. Yeah, like this is how they do now.
But you know a lot of mentors. Man, I was
blessed enough to be around some good vetts.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
You were selected to the two thousand and two Fever
team eb Antonio Davis, Baron Davis, Michael Finley, Rapes of Friend,
Sean mary and Reggie Miller, Jermaine O'Neil, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace,
Jay Williams, to name a few. What was that experience?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Like, well, give y'all a setup of how that team
came about, because I believe George was the coach of
that team. Carl George Carr was a coach of that team.
And I think the year before that was ninet eleven.
So I don't know if y'all remember, like the Megastars
didn't want to play for USA Basketball, the Kobe's, the

(54:51):
Shacks and all of them.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
They didn't want to play.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
So they said, like I guess you would call us
the second Tiers, the up and coming ones, And it
was it was rough. I think we came in like
sixth place. Yeah, we was getting tore up. That's when
we first saw man new Genobili. That's when we first
saw y'all mean, yeah, man, like, like these dudes is good,
the Gasols from Spain like Nay Nate Brazil, like, they

(55:18):
was some good ball players, man, And we just didn't
jail well.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Like we was arguing, like, man, we got.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Legends on it them, Reggie Miller and Antonio Davis. We
got good talent, man, and it just didn't It just
didn't come together like it should have. But you know,
it was a good experience. You know, the games were
in Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
But man, we.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Didn't win nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
We didn't nothing.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
We was getting tore up.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
But it was fun though, Clippers. You get a chance
to come home and play for the Clippers back to
the city. What was your first thoughts, man.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I'll give you all. So I played three years. I
was telling my buddies about this coming over. You know,
the first three years in Cleveland. This was pre Lebron
and John Lucas. My third year. Of course, y'all know,
he got fired because he was working out Lebron and
I didn't know who Lebron was. And in high school,
you know, he was in high school, and they was like,

(56:13):
you know Cleveland, I think Paxson was Gym. He's like, man,
we want you to go give this this Player of
the Year award to this kid, an Akron. And I'm like,
who a y'all talking about? Like man, I just led
the league and assists. I'm feeling myself and like it's
this kid. He gonna be an all time great. His
named Lebron James. I'm like, cool, So I go.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Give him the award.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
And I'm like, man, this NBA stuff, Man, go go
get an education.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Man like, go to college, get an education.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
And then I come back and I talked to management
at the end of the season, and John Lucas was
already like, man, you should just ask for a trade
because they gonna tank the season.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I'm like, tank the.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Season, so I'll ask for a trade. And I got
traded to the Clippers. Now I come home and the
Clippers this was like the year before they was the
the Knuckleheads, Darius and Quinton and then so Darius go
to Cleveland. I come to LA and you know, I
wish I could have I mean, it was the home team.

(57:10):
I wish I would have been on the Lakers or something,
you know. But I come to the Clippers and it
was a great team because I link up with Elton,
Corey mcghetty.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Lamar and then I'm back home.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Man.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
So it was it was tough. It was tough to concentrate,
you know. But I was able, you know, for my
friends and family to see me as a hometown kid
to come support me. Man.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
It was you know, I bought a lot of tickets.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Man, you understand that's a lot of tickets, man, like
one hundred tickets.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Man.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Like, people don't understand that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
oh man, I need every team every game, every home game,
you know what I'm saying. And the people that didn't
get the text message, you know, they'll pop up to
the arena Staples Center, here come the ball with Miller.
You got like ten people out there waiting for tickets.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
You know what I'm saying. But it was it was
a great experience.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Man. I came home, played in front of family and
friends for that one year and I got I got
a botty, la you do it, And I went straight
to Denver where Carmela was at.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Talk to me about coming to LA and then your
practice facility at Southwest Community College.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Look man.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Like.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
You know, it was the NBA at the time, you know,
So for me, it was right down the street. I
actually went to the school right next door.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Oh did you really?

Speaker 5 (58:27):
I went to.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Cabrini San Francis Cabrini from kindergarten to fourth grade.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
So I went to that, that Catholic.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
School for four years. But as soon as I came
home and I'm like, hold up, we practicing that Southwest College.
And back then we was already scared to go right
there because everybody used to say, that's the earthquake fault.
Oh okay, this this shit gonna fall because it's a
major earthquake fault. And then we had to go down
to the little I don't know if you remember it,

(58:54):
like a little locker room. It was like it was
like little mice in there, and I'm like, man like,
and then the ball guys would like just throw all
our stuff. We had to find our practice gear, man like.
It wasn't in no net bags or nothing like, just
just grab starting all my home was practice, man, But

(59:15):
it was it was what it was.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Off to Denver six years, fifty five million, play with
the Young mellow. We talked about this team already, but
just change of scenery. Uh different. Coach young towned team.
Favorite part about that Denver team.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
The favorite part about the Denver team was gambling, gambling
and hanging out and just I mean like, it was
probably the most competitive team that I was on. It
was the most like and I'm talking about practice like,
and we had this trainer, Steve hass We had Steve
hass Man. We would get together in the summertime. He'd

(59:55):
take us running up in the hills and stuff the
Red Rocks, the Red Rocks Man, and we was just
we was young man, you know. We had a good
coach and Jeff Bozilic, who like some guys didn't really like,
he was actually one of my favorite coaches. And then
of course George was doing ESPN at the time, so
he was like, you know, throwing all of us under

(01:00:16):
the bus, like this team is immature. And then when
they fired I think it was Jeff Bozelic. Then we
had Michael Cooper lasted for like two weeks. The coach, Yeah,
Coop came in for like two weeks and then they
let Cooper go and then George Carr got the job.
And then that's when we won like thirty something games
and went to the playoffs and then that you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
If you guys could have kept that court together, how
good that team could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
The court did stay together. I was the one that
got shipped out, you know, I got shipped out for Ai.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah what was that? Like?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I was mad?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I was mad because you know, George was asking me
to do so much as a point guard, you know,
like because he couldn't he couldn't communicate with them. Like
what you're gonna say to Kenyon if you don't want
to practice to day, like you know, Marcus Camby defensive
player of the year, like and you complaining about him
shooting this jump shot? So I ain't practicing the day

(01:01:09):
Like okay, Andre, I want you to go talk to him?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
What you want me to say?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
So I ended up being the one that was shipped
out for AI, and yeah, I had to leave leave
everything behind, and you know, and we was I mean
at that time the first year, we lost to I
think Minnesota, San Antonio and the Clippers in the playoffs,
so they felt there was time to upgrade. So I

(01:01:34):
got traded for Alan Iverson.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
And Philly was trash.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Trash over Philly. So I went over Yeah, mo Chieks
was a coach, and I get over there. Man, I
was so, I was so hurt. I like it was
the first time I actually talked in the locker room.
I was like, Man, I didn't come over here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
To lose Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
And what was crazy was that year, if they would
have lost all those games, they probably would have drafted
Kevin Durant. We end up winning a whole bunch of
games when I got over there. But if they lose
on that pace that they was with with AI, that's
the year Greg Olden came out. That's the year Kevin
Durant came out, y'all would have had top three, top

(01:02:13):
five pick Man. I'm not trying to lose Man. And
you know Eagle Dollar, Young, Lewis Williams, Willie Green.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Kyle Korver Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I had fun over there. Then Dallan Bear, Reggie Evans.
As soon as I got traded from Denver to Philly,
Reggie was in Denver. I told her who's the GM
Billy King. I said, look here, man, go get this
strong dude from Denver. Man like we need some need
somebody to bat. They went and got Reggie Evans and

(01:02:43):
then the next year Elton brand came from Clippers. So
it was I had fun and I had That was
one of my fun times to be around Eagle Dollar
and Lewis Williams, you know, because I saw like Alan
Irverson all in him, like, you know, let.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Me give him the ball because he could score a bucket,
you know. So I have fun on that team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Back to Denver eleven and thirteen, Gallinari, ty loss and
free Javelle McGee. A little different scening, but franchise record
fifty seven wins. You guys run into a young Golden
State Warriors team with Steph Curry. That was picture right there.
What you think?

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Back up, back up, that's when he was a baby.
For his ankles was hurting at the time too, Ye
had bad ankles. I was like, look here, man, But
what's crazy is I felt that team that we had
in Denver.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Was probably the best team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Oh really yeah, But George carl Man, he was practicing
us so hard for like six months man. And and
right before the playoffs started, Gallinari tours acl and Gallinari
was our best player. Gallo was our best player.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
About seven ft tall, right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Gotta be sixty eleven. I'm seeing him going in with
Kevin Durant. And right before the playoffs start, I told
George claud was like, look here, man, like these guys'.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Bodies are tired. We gotta get working.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
We play the Dallas Mavericks and Denver Gallo blow out
his knee and we got to go play these dudes
because I think we was like a two or three
seed and they was like a sixth seed. Man. That's
when I knew him and Clay like that ball was
just going through the hoop different, like like you know,
like it wasn't like I know shooter, we know shooters

(01:04:21):
Ray Allen Stojakovic, but the way they ball went through
the basket was it didn't even hit the net and
I knew, you know, I was so upset because I
felt we could beat them, and you know, we had
a nice squad. But that kid, that kid he different.
I didn't even guard him no more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Online.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Let me go guard Jared Jack or something, you know,
like you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Know, all of them was good, but this guy right here,
like I think I might be like thirty years old
right there, so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Old school.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Oh yeah, they good? Question, Well always got joked on
because of my shoe contracts.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
You know, it was like convers than Adidas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
And you know they all always to snatch my shoes
and throw them around the locker man and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
You know, I just like, you know, because my.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Shoes was ugly man like everybody like you know, so
like I had to put my little swag to my
my shoes. I got because yeah, I tied my laces
behind my back and they're like, dre, what you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
You know, But it's something that I that was my superstition.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
I never wore tape.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I had my ankle brace at the old school ones
that lace up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I laced them up out. My shoes used to make
both sides touch man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
No, not no, no. What's crazy was my shoes. I
kept them loose. I kept them loose, you know, because
I could you know, kick them off. But it was
like the lasers still tied up, you know. I that
was my superstition though, And I used to get joked
on about that, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Quick hitters man. First thing, the kind of mind, let
us know one album you could listen to with no skips.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
I don't even be listening to music like that. I
don't like like I'm an old school dude, like maybe
like Tupac, Maybe like one of them Mcavelli's, yeah, like
one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Top five point guards of all time in your opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Magic, Isaiah Stockton, Jay Kidd, and I didn't see Oscar
Robinson play.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
What about Steph CP any of them does? From the
modern area, you all, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
A Steve Nash fan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Okay, I was a Steve Nash fan because I mean,
who shoots ninety fifty forty? You know what I'm saying.
I was a Steve Nash fan. But I mean you
got Steph. You gotta put Steph in there, you know, Isaiah, Steph, Magic,
Stockton and Kid Dream.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Pick and roll partner from past or present.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Nay Nay, LaMarcus Audridch. I like Elton Brand too, but
as far as like I know, when they shoot, the
ball is gonna go in LaMarcus Audrich and then like
Nay Nay, y'all played against name. It was like as
soon as you give me the ball, like you know,
his his thumbs look like fingers. Guard your chest, yees
thumbs look like fingers like for real, though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Favorite person to throw a live too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Eagle Dollar. He used to go get him, Eagle Dollar,
Van Horn. Those are my favorite guys that throw lives too,
can bey cause you know, like we used to just
run y'all, no floppy it can be like it was
nothing like it was automatic.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Can be Eagle Dollar and Van Horn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Many.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I don't know why, man, he was blocking. Send them back,
send him this waist scriller, SIMLM this way scriller.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Top five l A hoopers of all time. In your opinion,
it's just too many. Give me your era. You don't
have to go on my era.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Like I gotta give a shout out to Raymond Lewis, Yeah, absolutely,
Dennis Johnson in Peace.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
I was a fan of Ricky Price. Ricky Price man
like Ricky Price in high school. Man, I thought like
we like how you get the duke man, like kids
from LA get scholarships to duke Like Ricky Price was
like that in high school.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
I mean, I'm just called count Southern California.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I don't know who else, man, Paul, you gotta put Paul,
You gotta put Paul. You got Tayshawn Prince, that other
that other guy he was like the lebron. I didn't
really know him, him and he from He's from l A.
Shae Cotton, Tayshaw, Prince Bearing Man, so many dudes, Man,

(01:08:27):
Russell Westbrook, James Harden.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Man, this goes on and nor one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure that you could that you can
speak on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
I mean like man, chocolate candy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Man, I'm gonna tell you a story. Man, you know
I like it. I'm playing in Portland, Man, and me
and my woman we go the day before the game.
It was a chocolate like a convention and like the
you know, like conventions, and this is huge. So it
was just unlimited chocolate, man, and it was heaven. The

(01:09:04):
day before the game. Man, I'm just in there eating
all kind of chocolate, different stations and stuff. And I
forgot who he was playing the next day, but I
could feel it coming.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
I just overdosed on chocolate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And the game starts, man, and the first trip up
and down the court, I literally ran off the court
and I had to go to the emergency room. Really yeah,
they put me to sleep, man, the stomach they morphee.
They put me to sleep for like two days.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Because you ate so much chocolate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I ate so much chocolate, man, I overdose. Man, like
like I ate, like like literally like I had food
poisoning everything, like man, I literally ran straight to the
shower like they was looking for me. They had to
bring like it was the first time I had been
on a stretcher.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yeah, they got me up there, you know, like took
me straight to the emergency room. And yeah, too much chocolate, man,
wow ra Yeah, Chocky got be careful that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
If they ever come back with Willy Wonker, definitely got
to get.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah, like man, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like all types
of chocolate, peanut, chocolate, caramel. I don't even like what's
that other where it got mint chocolate every year for flavor.
Yeah yeah, and yeah, I was right there in the
emergency room.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Funnest teammate in your career, college or pros.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Either Dollar was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Reggie Evans was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Lamar Oldham classic Lamar Oldham. You don't even try to
be funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, somebody with an accent, A country dude with an accent.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Man, them dudes is always funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Like you was like, you know, I used to talk
so much, ship bro. He told us that, but he
used to talk, so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
He might be one of the funniest dudes. I couldn't
even pay attention around him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yeah, last question, one person you would like to see
on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I like the humble guys, you know, like you know,
I watch you guys show more than anything and more
than anything, man, I want to see Taysha.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I've been trying to get.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Prince because he's one of He's one of the quiet,
like one of the quiet l a guys that you like.
People be saying, I'm mysterious, like where you be at
Dre like Tyshawn, where you at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Come Come was our class.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Man man, super super cool dude. Dude, super cool dude.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
So I'm a fan of Tashan Prince.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
That's a good call because I've been I've been on
you too, so big brother, I.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Want to see tail Man. Yeah, I'm a big fan
he But.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Drake Man, I appreciate your time. One of the best
point guards I didn't played against in my time. And
I love the fact that you may not have got
the recognition in the league, but the players always gave
you your respect and spoke so highly of you, and
I know that's important.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
You know, your peers fact, you know, because it was hard,
so thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That's Andre Miller. All the smoke you can catch us
and all the smoke productions you two in the Draft
Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Mm hmmm

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
Hm