Danny Green: From D-League to 3x Champ, Shaq Hazing, Ray Allen’s Shot, LeBron vs. Kawhi

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back all the smoke.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This was we had to rebook because we were supposed
to have this guest when the LA fires hit, similar
to Cheryl Miller yesterday, and we had to rebook. But
thankfully this brother was free. And he actually has to
get out of town today because he's going to go
do some college basketball analysts. But man, welcome to the show.
Danny gpreciate you, brother, man.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank you pretty sure, loved man. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
One of the barber is a clap for himself too.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, good for the show.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Clap it up for yourself. One of four players in
NBA history win a championship with three different teams, one
of the best three and D guys of his era.
Twenty seventeen all defense fifteen year pro officially retired last October,
transitioning into the media space fatherhood. Like, what's life been
like since you hung it up? Bro?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I retired? Yeah? So good? They throwing it around. You
could have got you a couple.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Of home Yeah, man, I just I didn't want to
be one of those guys. I was just holding up
like h and I was like the hardest thing. I
think when people were taking to the structure, we used
to having a routine. I was kind of home the
year prior, just waiting on calls. I was tired of
doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's time for me to just disrespect.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, and you know a lot of politics of you know,
your ten year plus vets. So now your minimum is
higher than the next guy's minimum. You know, are you
gonna move the needle? And it's like, I'm not about
to be sitting around waiting for phone calls. I felt
I didn't have much else left to prove to myself.
I didn't care about anybody else. But I had the
knee injury. I came back in eight months. The knee
was good. I hooped in the summer, I worked out,

(01:27):
and I was like, I knew I could play if
I wanted to. But I was like, you know, I
gave enough to the game. It was time, So I
was like, I'm move on to the next chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
You entered the game in twenty ten, you left in
twenty twenty four, What would you say, because you saw
a huge shift in the game, what would you say
is the biggest difference in the game from when you
entered to when you left.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I mean, everybody talking about today the three point line,
you know, being San Antonio Pop, he used it, but
he wasn't a big fan of it. You know, we
shot threes, but we didn't shoot a lot of them.
It was always inside out. Even in college. I played
with Tyler Hansbro. You know, we still played fast at Carolina,
but it was always inside out. Now it's it's outside it.

(02:08):
You know, guys shooting threes in transition, that's the first
look they get. The game was a lot more physical
back then. It's still physical, but I think it's more
physical because it was more inside pretty much, just shifted
to a lot of perimeter oriented and every big, every
guys are more talented. You have to be more skilled.
But now bigs have to shoot three. So everybody has
to shoot three. So it's a big part of the game.

(02:30):
And the mid range is lost. Yes, you know it's
a Even though I'm a three point shoot, I still
like the you know guys, you know Demorrow, this couple
of guys kd eated great at the mid range game
in still lost Art Kawhi. You know, that's how they
made their money. They were really very good at it.
And you know, sort of Mike and Code with the
fade away those are intricate parts of the game, and
now everybody analytics are saying if you don't get a

(02:51):
layup or a three, it's a bad shot.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
When you first got to the Spurs, it was a
team filled with vets. Uh something I feel like this
game is lacking. But current he's Rockets coach imy Udoka, mcdice,
Tim Manu. What was it like trying to come in
because I think, you know, obviously it's young guys in
this league now, so I think their transition into the
game is a little different. What was it like going

(03:13):
to a team with they had real Hall of Famer,
foundational vets, a.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Lot of different emotions. Obviously, these are people I watched
when I was a young kid. I watched Timmy in
like middle school, high school. The dynamic of it that
I said, it was more old school than the competitive nature,
not even with other teams and other players you played against,
but within the locker room as well. You had to
earn those guys respect. Yeah, by coming in and doing

(03:36):
your job and going to work. They don't really care
to know your name or your full name unless you
get on the court because they see some of the
guys come and go. They barely speak to you unless
you you know, you show it and prove that you
belong there, So you might take a month or two.
I mean, Timmy was always great. Manu to Tonio. You
know it took some time, but you know, you got
to earn those guys respect and you got to only

(03:57):
compete against the opponent. But you're competing every day with
those guys in practice, which they don't do much anymore.
It so it's just a different era, it's a different game.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Before we will talk about coach Pop, I want to
send him to Love. I know I'm gonna let you
talk about him. I've been talking to Tom James and
just checking on him. I haven't actually talked to Pop.
I've been checking on him because you know, Pop was
a big part of my career too. Talk about your
experience with Pop and do you want anything you want
to say to him? You can send him a message.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I tried to see him.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I went to Santoini for a wedding like in November,
but it was still early phases there weren't let a
lot of people see him. I'm supposed to go back
in a couple of weeks. I'm gonna try to see
him again if I can, if they allow. But he
was he pretty much made my career in this league.
Without him, I don't think I make it.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I got a second chance with him.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was cut from Cleveland and then they gave me
a shot that I was cut from them again and
he brought me back some months later. But he pretty
much taught me how to beat a pro me too,
and how to stay you know, the hardest. But it's
not making it's still hard making it, but the hardest
part of staying and him, you know, never allowing me
to feel comfortable in whatever role it was, kept me,

(05:09):
you know, wherever I went kind of on eggs or eggshells,
just to like know that somebody's always trying to take
my spot, you know. And if I never got too
comfortable and never was satisfied with how good I was
playing or how great I was, wanted to be better.
That was just how they all operated there. But being
a pro made me, you know, the player I was
when I was playing. So a lot of my career

(05:30):
to pop and also just the opportunity him in RC
they've given me. But yeah, I'm sending my loves and
prayers text him here and there. When I can, he
reaches out to He's like a grandpa. But I haven't
been able to speak to him. But when I go back,
I'm gonna try to see if I can catch up
and see him.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I wouldn't have had the career I had if I
wouldn't have got the opportunity to play on that team
early in my career. So a lot of people and Pop,
I hope you get well, man, We love you NYC
raised Long Island. It is true you play the AU
game is Lebron.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
It's the best I played against Bassie. I didn't get
a chance to play against Bron. I watched Broun when
he first when he came to New York. I say
it was the big It was one of the top
gyms and queens that everybody was playing. And that's how
one of the places where you earned your name. And
I think Bassie brought Braun there and Reno. I think

(06:19):
I have I have it on DVD somewhere. Actually, the games,
it was a while he had like Jason Fraser, they
had a bunch of a bunch of other guy all
the top guys there playing and yeah, playing against Bassie. Man,
he was a movement in himself. He was unreal Lincoln.
Our team was really good, so we beat them team wise.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You guys beat Lincoln?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah? Did you?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
We beat them every time? Are you guys the same year?
To cut you off?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
He was a year old and Bron was two years older.
So that's why I never got a chance to get
to play against Broun. They were different. We were private school.
I think they're bracing in Brooklyn, but we beat them.
We only played them in scrimmages and I think we
played them once in a regular game, but Bassie wasn't there.
But we beat Lincoln. We were a really good team
and I played decently against I'm not that great, but

(07:03):
my brother had good games against them.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Your career has been super intertwined with Braun.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
You played with him when the Cavs early, You played
against him in Miami in the finals twice, and you
played with Lake Lebron and won a chip. You ever
back and think about, you know, being able to play
with arguably Deeve, they just played to play the game.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
While I was playing.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I never gave myself a chance to like reminisce because
I feel like it's when you get comfortable or satisfied
summertimes that happened here and there. I'm like, damn, I
really just played in the finals.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, I got a chance to.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
When I think back, like all the guys that I
played with, including Bron, but like Tim, Timmy Kawhi, There's
so many guys the list of like that goes on
that I've got a chance to watch them and then
play with alongside them, and you know see some guys
even grow into All stars or even superstars. But yeah,
I've been watching Bron and a lot of my friends
and family have been fans of his since before a time.

(07:53):
And I remember my workouts with Cleveland before I was
drafted there. I didn't play much, but I remember practicing
with when I was in Cleveland, and you know, playing
against him and matching up with him even in drills
and trying to follow everything he did. Not getting a
chance to play there as much, and then you know,
coming full circle to being able to play against him
in the finals.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was unreal.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Said Pop did a great job of not letting the
moment get get a hold of us too much, especially
you know, me and Kui were young and more so
focusing on the task at hand, and that's beating Miami,
you know, and beating Bron and Dwayne Wade. So not
only is a good chance to play against him, do
well and afterwards, I'm like, damn, you know, I just
played against you know, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh

(08:35):
in the finals and I did pretty well. You know,
Like I'm considered one of the better players in the
league at this point, better role players in the league
at this point, which is something I never thought I
could achieve or dreamed of. You dream of as a kid,
but you never think you grab. I wasn't the fastest
and the most talented guy. I had to work at everything.
So it was a surreal moment going back to back finals,

(08:57):
and then it took five years to get back there.
So I appreciate him more when I went back in Toronto.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
How easy did Brin make it for you on the court?
Like being on the court with him? Does he make
the game?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Man?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
So there's a couple of guys that got a chance
to play with that make the game really easy.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
He's definite.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Timmy's one of them, for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
He was good.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Tony was Tony was made said in different ways he
made it easy to because he so much attention to
the paint and shooter I get open looks. Kyle Lowry
was one. He kicked the ball ahead. He was good
at kicking the ball ahead and finding guys. But Bron said,
he draws so much attention his i Q too. He
knows where he goes. You know, even if if coach like, yeah,
I want Danny to cut here, and he was like, yeah,

(09:37):
but I like him over here better. This is where
his spots is. He knows everybody's what they can do,
where their best spots are, like, and you know, he
shoots forty eight from me.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
This is this is his wing.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
He wants you where you where you're at, where you're
best at, and he gonna find you there too, because
he knows he's gonna double. If they don't, he's gonna kill.
But he said he made the game very easy. But
there also there are times where it's not as easy
because there's so much pressure even if you're wide open
to execute the play because you're playing with Lebron James.
That's more so an outside than it is on the
inside because Brian ain't putting the pressure on you.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
But all the Lebron fans.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Like, who's this bum? Why is he playing with? You
know what I'm saying, So you know, it's a gift
and a curse. But he made the game easy, man,
And it was a lot of fun learning from him
early on, a lot of fun playing against them, and
it even better to play with with you know, with
him and then Bubble, but winning the championship with him,
it was great, man. So I couldn't ask for a
better scenario.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
What's the aura about him? I think off the court,
I got a chance to play with Ai and and
him be bigger than life, and Kobe big, bigger than life,
and Steph and Katie bigger than life. What is the
aura around them? Off the court?

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I think social media's kind of ruins that for a
lot of bigger guys because I feel like that aura
I saw it a lot earlier on, Like when he
was in Cleveland, he's a rock star by the time
we got to LA, when he was in Miami, I
feel like they had so much access to them. They
see him all the time on social media, they see
him in the clubs or doing parties. You know, people

(11:05):
didn't idolize them as much, and they criticized him like
the disabled to criticize those those top guys even more because.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Of social social media.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
When I first got to Cleveland, though, the way he said,
the way he carried himself, you see people go crazy everywhere,
and you see fans waiting outside the hotels. You see
fans waiting, and I mean, I've seen some fans in
College Carolina wait outside, but it's not like this, and
the fans you don't expect to see all different types
of fans from all different colors, racist cultures. So it

(11:34):
was shocking to me to see old white people or
Jewish guys or you know, Hispanic or Asian being outside
in the middle of night two three in the morning
in Detroit or Minnesota or wherever's that.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
You're like, what the hell?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Why are these people outside with their kids, you know, at
this time of night, because it's the only chance to
meet Lebron James.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Or see him. See him now social media see all time,
you know.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So yeah, now that are what he carried. It was
different my first time really seeing seeing that, and it
was special. It was special.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Man two thousand and four ABC D Camp.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'm gonna say some names and let me know what
mind Andre Blach, Andre Bla.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I remember Dre Blatch. He was good man. He was
nice especially U not even league, but in high school
he was. He was a problem.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He was like a they were trying to say he
was like a six ten guard. He was more power forwards,
you know, small small forward when he got to the league,
but he was he was a killer back in the
day and he could do a lot of different things
for his hype.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
You know, we didn't see a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Then it was like Lamar Odam and then a couple
other people like from and then after Lamar was you
know j Blasch, like, oh he might be the next
lamar Odham type thing. But yeah, Dre was nice man.
He was good Greg. Greg was a defensive animal. He
was a one year younger than me. But he that paint.
You were not feeling comfortable going to paint at all.

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He was just a monster. And they had Deana Speach,
they had so many. They had Mike Conley with them,
They had Josh McRoberts Day, Kwon Cook like, they had
a bunch of guys. They ran the au circuit for
a while and you just come beat them. And it's
because of him, and then he went to Ohio State
and it was like, I thought they were sure were
going to get.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
A national championship.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
He was one of those.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
It was sad to see him not be able to
excel at the next level because of injuries, because he.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Was he was a beast man. And I watched him
since he was ninth grade.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Eighth ninth grade Mississippi bullet. Monte ellis brother.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
This here, this mother right here.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
He was. He was special. He was my class. So
it was the last class that can go from high school.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
To the league.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And I knew he was he was going.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
He was averaging his numbers in high school with average forty, athletic,
fast as hell, get to the rim. He was like,
I guess the new era Latrell's speedwell type, you know,
because Latrell was very fast. But you know they said,
you make him go up. He can go left with
his right hand, no matter, you're not catching him the
left side of the court going right. Yeah, not stopping

(14:03):
a monte getting to that basket. And he was just
athletic as hell. I think he was in the dunk contest.
Him and lou Will were the two main names of
my class.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
So Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Monte was special man, and he was pretty much the
reason why I was able to get an opportunity in
San Antonio because I was popped through me in. I
think Mino was hurt at that time, popped through me
in and that he already had like twenty thirty at
a half, and I got like two stops in the
fourth quarter, and they're like, oh, you know, Danny's a
defensive guy.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now, yeah, fucke.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, I ran with it. I only got like two.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, he still scored, having like thirty five, but
you know I got a couple of good stops on them,
a couple possessions. Yeah, doesn't mean I could stop him,
but I stopped him with those instances, and it was like,
you know what, you know he might be able to
help us. So yeah, I got my opportunity playing against Monte,
but he was he was killing us, man.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
He was a killer best player you played before you
got to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
A lot of people might laugh at this.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
I see we're talking about college in Chapel Hill Burrough
he was I played with, but I played against Jared
Dudley for some reason, bruh, does you And because he's
a little olderan me, but every time we played him.
He's a Boston College. He used to work bro. He
used to kill us. Really, he used to kill.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Us inside outside hit threes.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, the Braids back then.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Boston College was good. That was one of them.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
And obviously JJ T JJ was at Duke running off
screens trying to chase him everywhere with the landlord. But
there was a couple guys, but Jared dudley Man was
one of those guys. It was like I couldn't figure
him out. He was just crafty and he knew how
to hoop and that's why he lasted a long time
league too.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's smart doing coach you deadly Chapel Hill.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Unfortunately, Pops gets locked up. I'm not necessarily in the picture.
What is your mental life? Because you know, as we
realize we go through this, everyone gets to a certain
level and has the same skill set athletic, but it's
that mental with all that going on in your personal life,
how was your mental coming into college?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
That was That was probably one of the toughest times
in my career, that part, and then when I was
when I was cut from San Antonio. So my Pops,
I say, just raises by himself, but he raised me
and my brothers mostly. You know, my mom's left him
when me and my brother we were close in age.
We're ten and a half months apart, so we were
eleven and twelve, and the youngest was two at the time.

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She didn't go far, so she helped with the youngest ones,
you know, but as we got older, you know, we
kind of just gravitated to staying with up because he
was the sports.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
We did all sports with him.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
When I got to college, the youngest was I guess
he was eight at this At this time, I'm eighteen,
so yeah, we're ten years apart. Pops gets locked up,
get a call, you know, they raided the house that
that other he They have him on record with some
phone calls with some guys that were doing some things,
and it's like, okay and off, you guys know anything

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about the system. You're locked up until you have your
court dates or trials or whatever. It don't eve matter
if you right or wrong, so you just have to wait.
So he's just waiting in there until he posts bond
or whatever you have to pay. And then his bill
was a lot of money. We didn't have that, so
he had to wait for, you know, two and a
half years. He was just like, you know what I'm
They said, if we just if I just take a

(17:03):
plea dealer, let me out now. But I have the
felling maker, And He's like, I just want to come home,
he said, But if I fight it, you just never
know what's going to happen. I could lose, it could
go trial, and I might be there longer. But I'm
just tired of not being there, being at home with
you guys and your brothers. So I was like, all right, man.
So he took the plea deal came home. But during
that time I was at Carolina. I was a freshman.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I came in. I played a decent amount, not a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Next year we had a bigger recruiting class coming, you know,
Ty Lost and Wayne Ellington, Brandon Wright, Alex Stevens said,
a bunch of other guys. So I went from playing
decent amount to not playing at all. Really, Pops gets
locked up. I'm thinking about transfer, and I'm thinking about
back then, we didn't have the port ord over. The
portal's great because you can just transfer and play. You transfer,

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then you have to sit out a year figure out.
But I was just thinking, indeed, to transfer back home,
be closer to the family, help take care of the family.
And also the fact that I don't know if I'm
gonna make it because I'm not playing much here.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
How am I going to play in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
It was my dad, who I got very few phone
calls with, you know, and other people around me. That
was a good foundation, like, nah, like you should fight
it out. You belong there. You've always been a kid
to figure it out. So continue to do what you do,
be who you are, get your workouts in at night,
and eventually your time will come. So I stuck with
it and it panned out.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
My junior year, I came back. I was one of
the best six men in the country. I played more,
but I still I didn't start to my senior year.
He finally came home my senior year. He's able to
see some of my last games. But yeah, during that time,
it was rough, man, you know, with the family, girlfriend's
situations not going right, playing time not going right. You know,
coaching means you're not on the same page. And I'm

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only eighteen nineteen. There's a lot to juggle and then
all of a sudden you've become ahead of the household
that quickly.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
You got to figure out.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You learn how to pay bills, how to help things,
you know, find jobs to he'p send some money back home.
And back then we weren't making in college, you weren't
making any money. Really, it's whatever pelgrant you got.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
You try to know. I was caddying.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I was working at Waikovia, which is a bank. Back then,
I did some internships just to try to save a
couple bucks.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think you said something that's interesting in it. It
doesn't happen too often these days of kind of sitting
there and fighting through it. I think today, I mean
you mentioned and I feel it across the board. I
mean kids run at the first sign of adversity, quit
and go high school, college, portal, going to school with
all the others. It's crazy. And I think that obviously

(19:32):
knowing your journey and seeing your journey, and it was
a similar journey to mine, It's just if we didn't
fight through that shit, who knows what would have happened
when we got to the league and hit that adversity,
and so we had nothing to stand on, understand on.
And I feel like the kids are running from the smoke.
And it's cool now because you can bounce around and
land on your feet. But when there ain't nowhere to run,
what are you gonna do. You've been running your whole
teenage years, Like when shit gets real, what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
A lot of kids don't understand that there is a
very small percentage of people that become superstar players. And
if you can't adapt and adjust, it's just because you
don't get your way. That's role players are the ones
that are able to adapt an adjusting and stick him because
they figured out, you know, if I don't get the ball, man,
I got to figure out how to be in the corner.
I have to figure out how to be here or
set screens or get rebounds. I played the foreign college

(20:15):
some If you just get cut and run and just
say I'm trying to be a superstar here, you're not
gonna make it very far. And said to be a
superstar in his league.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
So all players make the league go, stars move it,
but the role players make it go. Recruiting class heavy.
I want to talk a little bit about Tyler Hansbrough
because obviously one of the most decorated college players. He
was nice, yeah, you know, solid in the league, but
it was different some people.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
It was a little physical, yeah, tough too, wow, but
the way he played it was a little unorthodox. The
hook shot. I think people didn't believe in it at first,
even in high school. He said he was a bull,
but they were like, I don't know if he's gonna
make it because he that hook shot, and that hook
shot worked forever.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
What was he like as a person early on?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Very quiet, you know, introverted. He was very you know,
to himself. He was intense when it came to the
weight room and on the court. You know, he didn't
he was one of those guys make friends a lot.
You know, everybody was an enemy socially. It took him
a while to come out of a shell. So like
now seeing him do like call some of the games
to Carolina is like impressive them see him do a podcast,

(21:24):
it's like he's actually talking out of people and let
people in because he was not one of those guys.
But he was a guy that you wanted to go
to battle with, you know what I'm saying, Like he
was one of those guys, you know, he was not
scared of nobody, no matter who it was, and he's
gonna be there to fight for you.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Have you back.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Talk to me about Ty Lawson. He was tough man.
I got a chance to play with them towards the
end of my career. But just so small, but so
motherfucking good and cool at ship. And I hope he
no girl, but you always had females.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I was.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I kept stable women.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
It started in college probably, it definitely started call but
Ty was that dude, Dennis the menace. He was always
has some ship, franking people fucking around, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
But he liked to be everywhere.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
He was into the life, you know, he liked being
outside some but on the court, he's somehow always made
it happen.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
It didn't matter you get.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
On the court, no matter what he was doing the
night before, he'd get out there and perform. And he
was doing something the night before fastest, fast as hell. Yeah,
but he was one of those guys that made the
game easier and we developed a bond.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
It didn't happen till my junior year. We actually got
better on.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
The court, you know, because early on he came in
with Wayne, so he was always looking for Wayne it's
like your talk, we get a couple of looks, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So I got a chance to.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
It might have been the light scan bro crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
So I got a chance to set bond with Tie
through different situations. But yeah, ty was a character man.
He liked to have fun, but he was a hooper
and he was one of the best point girls that
I got a chance to play with and in college.
You know, he's the reason why we were so good.
Tyler was good to but he was a reason why
he put us over the edge to win that title.

(23:10):
Speaking to national to what was that like hard to
do it?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I mean, just the history behind North Carolina and what
it meant to put that uniform one. And you guys
are one of the teams that got to raise a banner.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Just to be accepted to go to school.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
There was a big deal for me because I watched
you know, Vince and Stack and all those guys when
I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Obviously, Mike she you know, this is the way that
uniformed the.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Pride that they you know, carried themselves with for me
to carry, you know, try to do.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
The same, to beat the dukes.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
And have the rivalries and make those guys proud to
see them in the stands weren't at the final four.
Said it's a real moment man and said to college,
I feel like I want to say that's hard to say.
It's a lot harder, but I think it's hard to
win a national Like it's really really hard to win
national title because it takes a lot of luck. It's
one game elimination, you know, the NBA. You still still
have to be healthy.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You can beat it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
You have to be really good and healthy and beat
a team four times, and it is very tough. It's
probably the hardest thing. But college, I feel like it's
a lot of lottery ticket type of you know, situation
going on your way, a lot of things. You have
a one bad night. You gotta win your losses. You
got to make sure somehow you come out with the
win because you're not gonna play great every night. You know,

(24:18):
it's a Thursday, Saturday or Friday Sunday. It was unbelievable
to see the support that we got. We were in Detroit,
we played against Michigan State and Draymond was on that team.
He was younger and see all Carolina guys there, you know,
mac tar Ah. You know, we had a lot of
those guys that are watching them supporting us. Pep Peppers
was there. So it was dope, man, to see a

(24:39):
lot of guys that I watched, you know, growing up,
give us so much support and comp and be you said,
embrace us into a brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
One thing I know that helped me at UCLA was
the summer runs we had up in the men's gym.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
That was big, man.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
You guys had some legendary runs back in your day.
We did see talked to us.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
About us, and I wanted to get back to that
because it hasn't been the same really while. And Shaman
Shaman was a big key to that. Shaman Williams, he
introduced you know obviously when we when we came in,
it was me Tyler, you know, Marcus Bob like our class.
We came in right after they won. So Marvin Williams,
Sean McCants, Raymond Felt and Sewn May, they all they

(25:23):
all had was just leaving, but they were still on campus.
They were still young, and they were all playing. So
we've got a chance to play with and against them
throughout that whole summer. That's how we got better and
each year they would always come back and Shaman led
the charge. Shaman he was playing for years even when
he's older, and now even though we were playing, he's like,
you guys need to get back. These young guys need

(25:43):
that back. And I said, I went back this past
summer before retired. But you know, I do what I can't.
But we don't have as many guys come back and
hooping as much as they should. But yeah, back then,
I was lucky to be a part of and see
it firsthand, you know, and see Brendan Haywood and Stack
and those guys they were still young enough to play.
Like now a lot of them retiring and coaching like
we're not doing it now. Insurance a little different now

(26:04):
if I pop something, it might take a lot longer
to heal, a lot more money they don't feel like covering.
But yeah, I want to make it a point to
try to get back more often to help those because
it was big for for me and for us as
a group to see those guys. Fourte Joe forty coming
back giving people.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
And he was a bucket forty four. He gave Ray
forty Where's ray at?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
He gave?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
He gave Ray a forty piece.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
He did, Ray, he could, but it wasn't on me.
Why it ain't never on you?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Bro, Gilbert gave him a forty piece.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Forty damn.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
A forty piece, guys and Colline Ray, you was getting
to flayed Rotessery Ray.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's your new name, ro Ray Ray is right.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
So we were both the forty six pick to the Calves.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh eight years apart.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, your rookie year obviously with Bron Shack as a vet,
and I'm sure you got some fucked up locker room
stories with Shaq, but what was the what was that like?
I mean, obviously Carolina championship history and you're coming in
and getting drafted to Cleveland where Bron is god. But
then also you see the end of an amazing one

(27:26):
of the most dominant players of all time in Shack.
And the one thing I know for sure, he kept
the locker room lights. So what is how were the
locker rooms with Shocks the only rookie too, So he's
fucking with you.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And all that. Man.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Listen, we had another rookie they drafted, but they send
them back overseas.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Christian Yang.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
He's probably lucky following you with Shack Yeah, Shaq was
a he apologized to this day. I accept it, but
he was a There was a lot of shit, you know,
he had me pledging and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
But it was cool.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Man.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
So I think your first year in the league is
just like a let me say, a culture shock.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
But you just start.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It's like a starstruck moment, you know, seeing and even
if you don't plays they seeing him up close, you know,
playing against Kevin Durant, playing playing with Lebron and practicing
him dunk for the first time, like oh shit, you
know he really jumps, you know, forty five inches in there.
You know, Shaq is just a big ass human, you know,
and he's light on his feet, like how he's seven
seven to two, three hundred something pound. He could move

(28:28):
and he's nimble. I'm just seeing how these guys operate.
But he said, idolizing them, watching them, and then you know,
sharing a locker room with him and then being hazed
by him.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know it.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
It was a full you know it. It was a
good lot of good moments. Even the bad ones were
ones that I appreciated a lot. But I learned so much. Man.
I was a sponge just trying to get everything from
everybody had more Williams. They had Boobie Gibson, Anthony Parker,
Jim Moon, you know, varish out big z. I learned
something from each and every one of them. And Brown

(29:01):
was a big clown. He's a big character back then too.
I think he learned a lot. When he wants Miami
and playing under Spoke and Pat, you know how to
how to win, and you'll take things more serious. Still
still a big kid, but he takes things more serious
when it was time to.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I want to hear about Shaq being a big kid.
Hold up my bade, ringing ro Tess Ray. He violated again, Yes,
ringing Rotisse Ray is your name? Come on Ray.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Raise?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So we have that like if any if ringing, they
got twenty five cush ups, so spoke.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Ring again, ringing rot Ray.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
For the rest, we will have to have somebody validate.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
Closest to it, whatever went off, whoever closest to it.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Ringing push push ups, cush ups, So you got to
do in and out while you're smoking the joint.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
He hit the mouse. So I want to hear.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I want to hear a little bit before we get
out of these. The Cleveland early days of like some
shock shits, give me a thing or two that Shack did.
You're just like, god damn Shack.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, it was a lot.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
It was like so I had to get the donuts
by myself, and at the time in Ohio there was
only one Krispy Kreme and it was like forty minutes
outside of Cleveland and somewhere in Ohio. You have to
drive forty minutes back and you have to be to
arena before everybody else, about two and a half hours
beforehand up. Waking up six in the morning to get
donuts was crazy. If you don't have his donuts, I

(30:36):
will say they kick the balls in the stands. But
Shack said he had me pledge him and I had
to greet them a certain way. And if I didn't
greet them a certain you have to do it. If
I'm shock, how you have to do it. So if
I'm shocked, your brother Shack, you know, certainly I forget
the name of the time, brother Mo Williams. And if
I messed up, I'll get the paddle. You know what
I'm saying, Like a phone roll, you know what I'm saying. So,

(30:59):
and he would do weird stuff. Man, you come into
the locker room, somebody'd be showering on his back. You know,
what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Man?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
You know, run around, but what do you trying to wrestle?
Like yo, get light on his feet. You don't never
know who he's coming. He was run around tackling the
shack but as nigga, no.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Get away from me.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Man.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Shi has a lot of pledging going on.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Ship your journey, obviously being drafted and then being cut
and and kind of finding your way what what what
kept you going during those times? Or uncertainty was only
natural to creep in your mind.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, so my foundation was great was my pops mostly
and my friends of him, and then also seeing my
you know, former colleagues. You said, my college team is
seeing them who like I'm like, I know, I played
with these guys, but against a lot of these guys,
you know, and playing and practice against brownose guys like
I feel like I belong and you know, sometimes just

(31:55):
the opportunity, I'm not sure if I'm gonna make it,
but I'm gonna keep trying. I was overseas for a
little bit. I played in the D League, which is
now the G League. So I played a little bit everywhere.
But I knew that if I got an opportunity, you know,
I'm gonna try to take advantage. I always worked out,
even with my first year in Cleveland, I didn't my
wake up. My first wake up call welcome moment to
the NBA was coming into arena and then tell me

(32:18):
that I was inactive, and I had no idea what
that meant. And I was like, you got to go
back and get a sport coat. I was like, well, shit,
I'm gonna be on the sideline a sport coat A
lot of I was in the weight room every day,
working on my handles, shooting every day, two or three
times a day, just working out, and so if an
opportunity ever came, I was gonna be ready.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Same when I got cut. I went to the G League.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I was with Phil Handy actually because me and Phil
first interaction was in Reno and before and after practice,
I would get shot up working my game with him,
did some sprinting condition. Once I get this call up,
I'm not coming, I'm I'm not trying to come back.
So I took advantage man of every time slot we
had on the court wherever I was to get extra
working but yeah, my foundation was the ones like they

(32:59):
always listen, you belie there. You know, they encouraged me
and they put the confidence in me and made me
feel more I guess confident myself that you know, I
belonged in the league. And it's like, you know, you're
definitely as good as these guys. We' seen you play against.
These guys you know don't give up. So it started
with them, and that's that's important, man, for these young
kids to have the right people around them and not

(33:21):
just a bunce of yes men. You know, they weren't
a bunch of yes people. And they told me what
I needed to work on, need to get better at,
but they said, you know, I believe you can. You
can do that, you can do this.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That's a wash out point for a lot of people.
I was similar, you know, like playing and not playing
at all and then nearly cut and getting invited to
a training camp less minute and making the team. But
it's just like I think, like go back to our
earlier shit, sitting through Carolina and me sitting through the
bullshit at UCLA and taking it out what it takes
to be here and you deserve to be here. But naturally,

(33:50):
doubt will creep in your mind, but it was dope
that you were able to keep that.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Got to earn it. You turn with your time, you
got to earn it. And if you're not playing this
for a reason, like, no matter where you go, you
have to fight. I was talking to a lot of
of young college kids in Chapel Hill, like a lot
of them because there's more money out there the portals,
and they're like, oh, they're not happy with the playing time.
We're not happy with whatever is there account And I'm like,
it don't matter where you go. You know, if you're
not happy to playing time here, you think you're not

(34:13):
gonna fight for us, But everybody's trying to get that money.
You're gonna fight for a spot somewhere. So you might
as well sit where you are and fight where you're at.
You got here for a reason, you know, prove that
you're here and prove that you belong here and that
you should be. You know, one of the guys getting
you minutes.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yep, So coach, let's go back to Sanity Town to
y'all we was teammates briefly.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, was that the year that they got you out
of there? And brought teammates.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
First. First, we lost in the Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I had Jack.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
So Jack came at the end of the year that year,
and then he came through for like a year. So
you came end of the year and he came.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
You came. Let him?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, I came into thirteen.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
In the thirteen we lose in the Western Conference finals. Yeah, okay,
come back in fourteen and right before the playoffs, pop cup,
Pop cut me for Trace McGrady, yes and so, and
they ain't play Tracy.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
You came game twelve, twelve. Twe twelve thirteen, went to
the finals. We lost the Western con Finals in twelve okay,
so yes, so twelve you came and then they let
you go thirteen.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Thirteen before we got there.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, Yeah, and you'll one in thirteen, right we lost.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
In thir thirteen. Yeah, best team I was supposed to
be on.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Max was with us. It was his first time.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
I would have got out of the first rebound in
game six. I would have got the rebound was Dann
Ray Damn Show wouldn't have got it if anybody would it,
I mean he would have got the shot off.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
For none of that. He wouldn't have been involved because
you know.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
I take that ship personals him.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
But look, I would have got that got that.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's hard to watch right here.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
We played a lot together. Though we played a lot together.
When I did play, we did, and I would I
would have been Bars. I would have been Bars. Yeah,
I would have been Bars.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Going to switch or somebody. We didn't switch right here,
so this is why Chris got the rebound. I would
have been Bars. There was no switch here. But my
question is when I switch everything.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Barsh is one of the best players, the most played.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Very good, but we went smaller because they were trying
to get a three, so they wanted to switch everything.
So we had timmy off the floor.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Five would have got that rebound. I'm telling you we
wasn't switching that.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Mind you.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
We did miss two free throws and the play the
possession before bron hit a three.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
The possession before you.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Weren't there, but that play was played over over over
and over the following your film room, because that's where
my mistake was the most because the year before you
were there with us. Yeah, maybe you can give me
you can test this. We were contesting, and if we tested,
they take.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Off oh they changed that on you though, huh right.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
After this year take off?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
This year take off because we weren't getting to be
found with Tim down, there was getting off.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
If you can test go so to play before this, Bron,
he missed took one missed it. I can test the
first one. I'm trickling out toward half because my natural
habit was to start leaning to take off. They get
another rebound and kick it back to Bron here to
I think went off the off the backboard with the
bink shot. He kept rewinding that ship. Where the are
you going?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Where the gonna do that?

Speaker 4 (37:09):
He took that right out. There was no more leaking
out that.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It was no more.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
But you know, the older, the older Tim got, they
probably start taking it out because at one point it
don't make.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
No sense to going in the key, Tim getting all
that ship everything.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah he was Timmy was great. I can test the
first one. I'm leaning to our half and I'm ready
to be like all right rebound we would have been out,
but it was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
He goes off the glass.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
The second rebound, three ball, bron. It's hard to watch.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
But said that film session the following year, because pop
always does every following year. He watches the previous and
we had the same group together for a long time.
He watched the last series, the last game.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I probably watched that just as much as you do.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
He was rewinding and rewinding my seven bars.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And but the craziest part is this part here five
seconds they stopped the clock. They stopped, they called, they stopped,
They took the ball to boards in we're trying to go.
So Pop was going ape ship look at him.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, what's Joey Carford doing point shaving.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, it took them because we're trying to get and go.
They celebrating. We could have get we go, get a
layup or a basket. At this point, Tony's like, get
it out. Tony would have been gone five seconds. What
we're gonna get a look.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Now they get a chance to review it.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Now they get a chance to see if it's a
two or three. They get a time out.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Joey every I was with the Spurs. I made it
to at least the Western Conference finals.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
At least what we were spoiled, bro at least we
were spoiled. I was like, damn.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
And then after that we ain't been back. We hadn't
been after fourteen. With the first round against Golds, I
think Kui hurt the ankle. We had a couple of clippers.
CP got the game. We get Yeah, that's the old
Stations Wise Championship. It was a couple of times. We
never have been back to the Western count finals, like damn.
So when I got back in Toronto, I was like,
you know, I'm enjoying this. We ain't been back here

(38:53):
in a minute, and to realize how how hard it
was to get back there.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
So yeah, Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
We had LaMarcus All just on the show last year
and he kind of detailed low key kind of the
falling out between Pop and Kawhi. Uh did you see
that up close and personal? And what was kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Your take when I was there? So I know he
saw it.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I saw some of what was happening. I never till
his dad. I never asked QUI me and him what happened.
I've heard from other people of things that have happened.
I can see give you my like mathematics of what happened.
I think his uncle. His uncle had a lot of
what to do what was going on off the clues,

(39:35):
a lot of influence with it. And I think once
his uncle saw some distasteful things in his mind, it
was like, all right, this is we're not doing this.
You know, we're not gonna because you know, San Antonio
they don't treat anybody like superstars.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And I think his uncle kind of and rightfully.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So only three people I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, rightfully,
so he should have been treated like a superstar. But Tommy,
that Pop was spoiled. They never had to treat Tommy
like that because Timmy never never needed he never cared
to be that. But I think, you know, Kawhi had
the injury, Tony said some things in the media, and
then Pop said some things to the media. I think,
you know, Uncle Dennis was like, no, it's not because

(40:15):
Kawhi came back from nine games. And after that, he's
like yet to talk to Kawhi's people, and that to them,
from my understanding, I think they saw that was respectful
and that you know, some of the things Tony said
was like they were like, okay, that's disrespectful. And then
they were like, we're not what the rum wings were.
He's not going to be seen in the San Antonio
Spurs uniform again. So yeah, I never asked him what happened. Uh,

(40:39):
you know, one day, man, we'll get a chance to
shop it up when he's done hoooping. But I was
fortunate enough to play with him in San Antonio and
also play with him again in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
We had a great year and.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
That's why I got traded. Though it was getting too
close when I was that time. I was there, but
also coming to my house bugging out because we only get.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I remember, I remember this very vividly.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
But like, you know, Stack not gonna he's not gonna
just let people talk to him, sir, He's not gonna
just let people practices, just go the way to suppose
this game, Like you know, we're gonna talk ship.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
And that's all the playing time I was getting at.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
The time, and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So it was practice.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
So you know we're in practice, and uh, you know
in the system they were like things doing so worry.
We're gonna run this play though, and you know you're
supposed to not cheated or whatever. And Stack's like, no,
what if they do this? And you're like, well, they're
not gonna do that. He goes, you know, so basically
Jack was talking back like, Noah, we're not doing everything
your well, you know, we're gonna do it this way
or sometimes it may happen this way.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
How to how you gonna know what the happening. I
didn't see stack.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
He's not like he's not lying, he is not lying.
We had I had a great practice.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
He wasn't ship and he was going at Kuhi back
and forth, and it was like, yo.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Go under, who's who's the little point going?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Was young? I'm young. I don't know what's wrong or right?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
No, no, no, the point god.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
And you know I was I was talking to him
crazy about swinging the ball.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
You know what I'm saying. I was like, swing the
fucking ball, you know I was. I was into it.
I had a great practice.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
And him his normal intense self into the game talks
but that's how he plays.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
How he hooped me on the court. Competitive So he.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Was doing that to all others in US and and
they telling him, yo, you do it this way to
do that, and he's like, we might not do it
that way.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
You know I'm hooping, let me, let me do it,
but this is what you don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
And I was like, what I've told what I've heard anyways,
but I was just like, then I ain't see Stack.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
After that, I was like, then what happened. I'm like, yeah,
we need him.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Mac I was like, all right, Matt cool.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I'm like, damn. We had Stack Stack for a year.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
I went in the locker room after practice. Tim was
in there. You know, Tim love when all of us do.
It was our biggest cheerleader. By the time he'd say
something to me, go in the locker room. Soon as
I'm going to take my shoes up, Pop on you
in the film room.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I know this can't be Principal's office.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
This is the first thing he tell me, Bro, He say,
look at this.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
He finds the worst play that I've ever made that season,
just that play and showed.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
It in the game.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It was about eight games ago. It wasn't even recent.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Pop Pop is very good at the chest play.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
He's super petty.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
He gonna he gonna cuss you out for this game,
whatever game it is, so that you're ready for two
games from now, you might be playing Sacramon. The Kings
said that the time they weren't good. It was like,
all I know, we're playing Atlanta or whoever it is
as good. I need you more locked in for this game.
So I'm gonna cuss you out, put you in the
dog house, so you mad. If you play better, Mad,
I know you'll come out ready focused for this game.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
T Mack was already on the way there.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
First off, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Oh yeah, Max was in the air like he had
already checked in to the rescue.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
No, he was the playing took off already. He was
on the way to San Antonio.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
And one thing about Pop like like he said, the
smartest person, not one of the smartest people.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I know.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
He know my reaction before he even asked me something.
It was basically and he knew I was gonna fall
for it because you know, you know my passion. He
brought me in there, showed me that. He was like,
you know what, Jack, you haven't been playing well. The
guys that I'm going to play, you know, I want
them to have confidence going in. You was talking to
these guys so bad and practice Today. I'm gonna bring

(44:12):
the guys in and I want you to basically admit
that all these guys are better than you because I'm
going to play these.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Guys and damn well, just Jack ain't gonna Jack.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Got my ship and walked by it. Then as I
was walking I seen Tim on the training table. He
was like, I'm like, man, I how let you later now?
I just walked up out of there. That was the
end of I And by four hours later you see
on the news Tracey McGrady is and San Antonio practice
uniform shooting jumpers.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'm like, Nigga, Pop knew exactly what he was doing,
but I don't.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I don't hold I don't hold any grudge to Pop
or nobody because Popped there a live for me. But
that was my sign and retire. That was my sign
of retire. After that, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It was. It was one of those moments.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I was just like, damn Like, even though it said
he wasn't playing a lot, playing something, we needed Jack
just that because he was. He gave us that chip
and even you just never know in a moment he
in the game, he'll hit some threes for us, or
even give a hard foul.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'm like, he gonna foul.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
It's gonna change the tempt that it's gonna change the
whole pace of the game or this person's trajectory of
the game.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Whoever has a nice small ball lineup. Bro.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
We had a crew and it was like some some
games were like we knew somebody's hot. Jack would come
in and man, I lock him. He was getting one
hard foul. It's like, all right, it's a different game
for him. I know we're gonna be all right, so
Jack and all right, Jack, go hit him real quick.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I used to call it nasty Jack, Bring the nasty. Yeah,
bring the nasty.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I was like, we need Jack ship.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
But we got Mac and I was like, you know,
it's another instance. I was like, damn, I got I
get a chance to play with Tea Mac. I never
got watched him growing up. He was great too. We
didn't practice. He showed that he had some signs of
We didn't really play much either, but he got there.
He was also in the finals telling us what we
need to do. And he was one of the guys
that was, you know, in Tony's here, like Tony, you need.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
To That was his chance to get a chip too, and.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
He was telling Tony like these guys they play in
the paint is what Miami does. Kick it out, you know.
But it wasn't. I'm not gonna blame anybody in particular.
We all we lost together. It was tough. Game seven
was tough.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
I ain't gonna do that when you misscoping shots. They
was blaming you. Yeah, we lost to okay See, and
that West Conference found there was Tony fault because he
wouldn't kick the rock. Everybody was on five. I was
six seven for seven. Everybody was on five. He would
not kick that bitch until he got tripped. Team tell
you all, that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
We went up too. Oh, we went up too. Oh
we lost four in a row.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Danny said, these are the thusts of Stephen Jesse Jackson.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yeah, I'm just saying. I said form I was there.
I said, I love I played with it. I'm not
distant Tony, but just that series I seen, I'm actually
I seen Tony.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
There were some times where you know what I mean,
there was some things missed, but it was like, you know,
a couple guys miss certain things.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I seen Tony grow Jack was hot. One series.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
We was.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
We was hooping that series. Okay See was good too,
though we couldn't stop him. Once they got Serge got
the Serge went out the first. I think he was
hurt the first two games, came back four straight.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You got it.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
It was James eleven or some ship like that. It
was James to James come on the bench, the bench
going crazy. It was hard and you got Katie Russ
three different They was crazy though. It was a tough team.
He couldn't stop them.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
But yeah, you know, said Mac was he was talking
to everybody he was on it. But so it'll be.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Nice to have to have Jack as well in that
finals run. And they had other people on that team
that was good. I feel like on that team yet
was there. Fisher was on that team. But Sir Serge
played a big role in They had some pieces.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Man.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Every year they had pieces they brought in, and they
brought in Reggie Jackson. Another year they brought in Dion Waiters.
And they always brought in some good pieces. Somehow made
it work.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Twenty nineteen, you're in the trade with Kawhi from San Antonio.
Obviously he has a huge chip on his shoulder. In
the playoffs that year, he had thirty points, nine rebounds,
forcedst and nearly shot forty fifty to ninety splits. One
of the biggest game winners in the history of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
And the biggest game, winn What was that?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
What was that? Kawhi like, can you tell? Can you tell?
There was a shift in his mentality from san Antonio
to I.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Feel like he's always stayed.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's him, He's always just been him, just him.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
But to see him emerge because I was there before
he even because he was just a defensive guy. Because
I was there when we had George George Hill was
They loved him and I'm like, damn, they trading George
for this kid, like he he must be special. But
I didn't see it at first. He had he had
the stature, he carried himself a certain way. But they
was like, he's gonna be the next Bruce Bon and
that's what they like, You're gonna be defense. He got

(48:42):
the long arms, big hands. We didn't see him as
an offensive threat. And then Chip you know, developed a
three pointer and the next you know, I don't know
if you were there for this, the keys got passed
to him pretty quickly. At the end of the game.
You know, it was usually angle for Tony. I seen
cussed Tony out one time, give him the fucking ball,
and I was like, I don't know who he's talking

(49:03):
to I'm like, I'm like, who's he talking. I'm like,
Tony's got the ball, you know what I'm saying about
give it to Quiet. I'm like, oh, this is what
we're doing now, okay, And then it gains. It was
right after probably twenty thirteen finals. He's like it was
his show. And then see him continue to trend or
you know, become a superstar. And then in Toronto was like,

(49:24):
you know, this is this is who he is and
nothing phased him and you didn't realize he made it
look easy. You know, he was just doing it all
that said, Nick put the ball in his hands and
he figured it out.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Drake's relationship and involvement went the team out there.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
It was cool man.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
He had locker, they had the boy on the Boy Man.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
The album was dope. You know, I fuck, you know,
I like the new album.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Always been great, you know, lyrically, musically, off the court,
showed a lot of love. He's always been cool, you know.
He came to the game with the Ovio jerseys we
had that year. I wish we had the black ones.
We had the white and gold. It was cool. He
wasn't around as much during the season more towards the
end of the season and more playoffs. But I think
he played a big factor in that Milwaukee series Janni's

(50:04):
missing them free throws. You know, he was fucking with
Janni's a little bit, and that helped us.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I mean, at one point you didn't have to fuck
with him. He missed that ship.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Anyway, fans with fans were on this. Our fans were
good too, and they had him. You know, at that
free throw line, he's taking fifteen seconds to shoot him.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
What was that like though, because I mean in they
was packed, but then y'all have motherfucking a couple million
people outside while on the jumbo tron. Yeah, what was
that like?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Vibe and I never got a chance to experience until
after and then the parade was crazy. But I said,
you see, like I said, in Santonio had a great
fan base. But you see all of the country come
out of Canada for the Raptors. You know, they have
their own obviously it's a different country. They have their
own channels and their own shows and on Netflix, and
they only watched Raptors because it's only.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
One team in the whole country.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So they're all watching tune in and they're all showing up,
they're all supporting us, and then arena, that arena got
loud as hell, especially when Ronads are shooting them.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Then free throws.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
You know Nico, You know Nico, Nico, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
They all all of them good people's man, they always
show a lot of love. All Ovo boys, man, they
hell a cool yeah yeah, shout out to them, sir.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
From the Rappers to the Lake.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Just for the bubble season, Lebron Rondo a d Dwight
Caruso crazy, Jes Swish was on that switch.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, Eswecily too, and we had Dion had way to
come later j McGee.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, how was that? We was rolling? Man, It was
one of those So I had a lot of fun.
One of the most fun seasons on the court with Toronto.
A lot of vets too, one of the most fun
seasons off the court with l A before Covid hit.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
On the court it was fun too, but it was tough.
It was a tough job for Frank. We had too
many guys. Head, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm gonna play.
We got cools, we got you know, said k C. P.
Avery Bradley Swish Switch Swish came later.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
We had Couz.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Early on, we had Marcus he was rehaving but adye
Javel Dwight coming off the bench.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
We had couls playing the four. We end up getting
Markkeith Morris at later on, but Bron Rondo. We had
all these defensive guys and guys that can hoop too,
So it was like we were going in ten twelve minutes.
It's hard to strug. Early on I was playing like
twenty eight minutes. Then it was like, you know, I'll
play the first six minutes, sit the next twelve, and
then finished the half. It's hard to get a rhythm,

(52:18):
you know, and then finishing the game, it'd be just
different guys.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
And the bubble ab didn't come.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Avery he didn't come, So it made a little KCP
transition a little bit better and I guess the minutes
a little bit better for everybody. But we had too
much talent, man, But it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
We was enjoying the group man random play. Everywhere where
we went, we did something dinner, go out, kick it.
Even in Utah, like we was having a We had
a blast man. We had cous with us, Troy Damas
with us for a second, so we got rid of
I think he left went to Denver and then cousin
left and that's when we picked up Jr. And Dion
speak to what it's like to be a Laker though,

(52:53):
because it's different America's team. I don't remember where when
I signed. I think I was in a random ass city.
It might have been in like Orlando. But you realize
how men Lakers fans are everything everywhere, bro, everywhere.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
It's like like the Cowboys. So like, you sign the.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Lakers, minus winning, but like just America's Yeah, not as
a winning yeah, sorry, Jack, the championships more than more
than more than Dallas. Think about that close.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Winning as a late Cowboy's not winning, but said, become
a fan base, America's team.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Man.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Everywhere he went, everybody's you know, thanks for signing with
the Lakers. I'm in the middle of somewhere. It shouldn't
be in the Lakers fans. I'm like, it's kind of crazy.
So you get the love right away. As soon as
I signed, everybody's excited.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
So it was, and it said, lights are different thing.
And I think a lot of people you see experience that,
even even Luca Russ. It takes some time to adjust
to those lights.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
I got a question, how do you celebrate like in
the bubble, because, like I I.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Got it was tough.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Man, I got an in depth look of what went
on in the boat from jail. He called me every
morning and we smoked one every morning on face.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
All them hallways.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Man, this is right when and they just allowed bro
The whole hotel resort smoked like trees.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Burned down Christmas Tree was.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
It was crazy, burned out every day like there it's
section eight over here, like the crazing down the hallway
Brono was. That was a little bit cleaner, but it
was still you know, but yeah, them always was crazy.
So the in the bubble trying to celebrate stuff. They'd
finally let the family's in like two months after we
got there, they closed down on the restaurant. So we
had a little food and get together and party. But

(54:41):
it's nothing like Yeah, even when we stopped I think
we went to stop in Vegas. We went somewhere after
so we you know, some teams when they went to
e to stop in Vegas or Miami before they fly back.
After we left and got out of there to celebrate
in other cities. We went to like San Diego one time,
duds hats on the San Diego. They went to Vegas.
COVID was still going on, so it was still the same.

(55:02):
We didn't get a parade. We had fun, but it
wasn't the same as like when I was in Toronto.
When I was in San Antonio, we got a chance
to actually celebrate with the real world.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, what Broun and Luca want a chip together?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I
think I think they're explosive offensively. I think they lack
a lot defensively. Yes, And as great as bron is,
he always proves me wrong every year that he had
averages thirty somehow, I don't know how much many years
he has left longer. And I think it's just really
hard to have to win a championship when your best

(55:38):
player is forty years old and he's really good no
matter what you but he's forty years old and you
can't ask him to do on both.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Ends of the floor. Yeah, and same with Luca.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
When they carry offensively, they used to not having to
do as much defensively. The guy that can help clean
or cover up their messes is gone, and it's hard
to find another guy to replace that protection or another
They could find another lob threat, but I think ultimately
Luca replaces Broun for when he's done. So now they
could build around Luca, So long term is good. I

(56:10):
don't think they can win now.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Next year. I don't know what they're gonna do with
Next year.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Brown's gonna be forty one, so I just can't see
he gets so average thirty twenty something. But I just
don't see them winning a championship with that formula right now.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
You played two seasons in Philly, just I don't know
going on there.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Like they get Paul tough Man, it's a tough set.
That's one of the toughest fan bases in the world.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
I want to say, they don't play, not playing well?
Stuff going on with and be what's going on there?
You had a little inside two years.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yeah, And I was there recently too. I mean you
was there with Ben too, right, I was, And I
actually signed back because of Ben. I like, I like
playing with Ben. I had my career high and three
point attempts playing with Ben. I was getting six a game.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
He's a hell of a player man when he was
is it mental for him one percent?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I think also some physical as later on, But those
years when we were there is more mental, and toward
the end of that it was more mental.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
I think physically his back.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
You were on the team when he passed up the
layup for the jumper.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Yeah, I had Uh. I was out that game because
I strained Ye. I was there. I strained my calf.
That series, we were up to one. I strained my
calf in Game three. They won that game, and then
we were up Game four by like eighteen. We were
up eighteen to twenty six. The next two games we
were up twenty and lost both of them and was

(57:35):
down three to two forced a game seven. Game seven
was when been passed the ball up, and I think
a lot of people were concerned, like something's going on.
We didn't know what was going on. Also, before that,
I don't know everybody heard the heard story. There was
a COVID situation before that. It was a false So
there was a lot going on that morning with shoot around.
We weren't sure if he's gonna play. Oh, they thought

(57:57):
Ben had COVID. It was a false positive. I think, well,
somebody near him had a false positive, like one of
his messus, you know, Massaotropis caught up a false positive.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So there was a lot going on that.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Morning for him and with him, and we weren't sure
if he was gonna play, and that might have messed
with him throughout the game. But I think he didn't
want to shoot free throws. We were like, yo, take
the free throw shooting.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
We don't care.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Man, were getting the attempts they have to. They're gonna file out,
you know, foule some people out. We're gonna be in
a bonus. Joe gets to freelance, other guys will get
to the free throw line. But yeah, when he he
had to dunk and pass it up to Matist, Matis
got fouling. But that play in real time, everybody in
the building was like, what what the fuck is going on?
And then I was just like did that just happen?

(58:42):
Like did he just do that? And a lot of
people are concerned, like what was going on? So then
he got a lot of stuff criticism in the media
after that, and then Doc I guess said something which
ultimately led to him want to be traded after that.
You know, I don't know if he's going to be
a championship point guard. But yeah, that was the beginning
of the then.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
For for how good was indeed when he was healthy.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Unbelievable, especially when from a skill set standpoint, from a
scoring standpoint, he was still figuring out how to pass
out of like the double team situation, and you know
Doc was trying to help him with like where the
looks were. But he knew how to get to the
free line. He could shoot jumpers, you know, to euro step.
You know he could. He can win you a playoff

(59:25):
series by himself. He's MVP for a reason. And if
he was ever healthy, stayed healthy in the playoffs, there's
no reason why they shouldn't have been at least in
the Eastern Conference Finals. They would have definitely been to
the finals. We should have that year we lost Atlanta,
we should have been. If I didn't get hurt, I
believe we'd have been at least the Eastern Conference Final.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You think MB wouldn't be dealing with all these injuries.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
It'd he played basketball early and not so late because
they say he started mad late.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
No, I think there's other reasons. They're trying to figure
it out. They're saying different training, different rehab, different physical therapy.
You know, his weight fluctuates sometimes. I think when that
happens with people, especially when you have that size. Yeah,
you're that size big man are. So that's one thing

(01:00:09):
I fear for Wemby. You know, seven footers ain't supposed
to last that long. You know what I'm saying. If
we get ten years out of them, that's a great career.
He in the floor a lot too, you know. So
their bones are just different. So for him when he
takes injury, and it's usually to knee your foot, he's
not able to exercise and keep his weight off. So
the weight goes up and down is harder for your body,
and I just think injuries happened like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Tendons.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Also, he's not a big he's not a big lifter.
I think because he's he feels he's already strong, so
he feels like he don't have to lift that much.
I feel like if he actually lifted, but it's a lot,
he probably really ridiculous, like security strong. But I think
it would help some of the I think would help
some of the tendons and some of the bones. But
I don't know, you know, like us, we go back

(01:00:52):
to old school practice. We felt like it helps him
like as less injured when we practice. Maybe if they
practice more it might help. But I think it's more
because of the injuries that he has. It hurts his fluctuation.
He's not able to stay consistent with his with his workout.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us
know toughest non All star you've guarded in your career.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
There's a couple of them, man, I want to say
Jamal Crawford for sure of one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Swisch is one of them too. And there's random guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Man said that there was just chasing Clay like players
like Evan Fournier and JJ. Like those guys random random
day Tuesday in Orlando. You gotta chase Evan fourgny, you know,
But JJ was tough to chase. There was a couple
of guys that were tough, man, But I'll probably have
to give it up to the six men Lou Will.

(01:01:48):
Those guys were killers, man, and a lot of those
guys deserve to be All Stars. But when they came
off that bench and you had to guard JR, Jamal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Or Lou those three are alone right there. All they
come in to do is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
With buckets, like you gotta guard him every possession and
get possessions off.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
MJ, Kobe, Bron Rankle on the spot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
My goat is MJ. I think Bron has the greatest
career of all time. Yes, so I'm gonna go one
and two MJ and then Bron. And it's tough to
put cold three because but as I think, I appreciate
him more when he stopped playing toward the end of
his career. I think, you know, as young kid, always
liked Mike so much. I thought Cole was just a imitation, Yeah,

(01:02:32):
imitation of Mike, and it was like, oh, he's not Mike,
you know, so I kind of I wanna say I
hate it on him, but yeah, but I appreciate it
more once I got the league, played against him, and
then years seeing how many years he's played, and then
after of seeing how his mind worked and his footwork unbelievable.
I think he probably the most skilled at all three. Yeah,

(01:02:54):
he had the best footwork. Mike was just good. He
did one move, you ain't stopping it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Keep doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I'm gonna shoot sixty percent doing it. Letna get their
freuth line. Cole probably the most skilled out of those three.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
What's what's somebody to the difference between Mike and Craigdreg Hodges.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
We had Craig Hodges. He said the difference is hands
because he said Kobe would go shoot two free throws
for everything Mike was making for and one's so Mike's
hands was so much bigger, so Kobe would have to
do it with two hands up. Michael moved that bitch
on one hand and finish it. And it made.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
A lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
A lot of sense, bro because quiet big you don't
have to jump us how to get to that rim.
And also you think you're in a safe space, would
dribble like, oh, I'm comfortable if you get this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
If you put it in, if you get down in
your real triple threat, then big ass hands will come
across everything and take everything everything like they.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Can reach a position where you think it's comfortable, safe space.
He's taking the ball man. So yeah, Mike, I think
I think he's probably the reason why they do the
hand testing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I think one album you could listen to with no skips.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
We were talking about that. I talk a lot my
friends about this all the time. There's I would say
a lot of Drake the Weekend. I'm a big fan
of but I'm more of a jay Z guy, and
you know, New York rappers. So I was about to
say New York game. We was talking about one of
the best albums that we heard of. It's fifties. Fifties
album You're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Richard try in the first one that it was hard classes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
And it's like you you don't realize how good it was.
So you play it back when you're older, like, yeah, everything,
you can appreciate it. You can appreciate it. Yes, every
So you're like, damn every one of these hits, like
every single one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
That's that sound.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
But I'm a big R and B guy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Now, okay, I like the younger. You know, it depends
on the move. If I'm working out, I'm a dude.
But I'm more of an R and B you know,
laid back, chill, R.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
And B all day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
I got a couple of neigs Gotta Die in, a
couple of my songs, Guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Pleasure for Me, Sweets. I've tried to cut back over
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Hey let me tell you one thing, bro, it's different
now we're not running.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Team real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
I used to play so and I chucked step on
the scale, and I'm like, damn, how the hell wear
is it? You know, like, I don't think I'm out
of shape. I make sure I'm in shape enough to
wear a suit because you know, yeah, but uh, I
stepped on the scales like two thirty, and I'm like,
I played at like two twelve. Two fifteen gets on
you quick, and I retired two months later. I was
already two twenty five. I'm like, damn, ten to fifteen
got that fast. And I'm like, I'm not even doing

(01:05:23):
but I still do some workouts here and now run
the sand dune next, especially to when you got kids,
run much. You're not the same cardiom, you know. Yeah,
so I stopped the dessert. I stopped. I cut back
on candy, but I do more just desserts. But some
some parts of y'all cut back. But it's hard for
me to give.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
You know, my sign was just funny, you said, because
I still have to fit suits.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I was at the ESPN desk sometime with my my
but my done because I'm not. I was like, man,
I got to get back into childhood crush roasting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Oh man, there's a lot of them, you know, I
used to I was a kid, you know, the j
Low's trying to think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Who else comes to mind?

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Like some of the singers, like randomly you say a
Shawn Tea or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Not Lathan was one of them, but like there was
one that was consistent. I used to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
I watch a lot of shows, TV shows, and one
of my favorites I watched a lot of Seinfeld, but
Friends was like Jenniferiston was, it was tough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
She was one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Rachel Green was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Who is the best leader you ever played with?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Danny Timmy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Now I have a question though, Was he a leader
by example, a vocal everything both?

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
I just don't think people seeing they don't. You don't
see the vocal as much because they know him as
to be quiet. But he's not as quiet as you think.
In the locker room, he speaks. He lets you in
them timeouts, he's letting you know what's going on. But
he's encouraging. Like I've had great players, like said, I
love playing with James and Joelle, but you could tell

(01:06:56):
they're not. They don't know how to talk to certain
guys a certain way. Your person know how to approach guys,
and you can't approach everybody the same way, right, And
Timmy figured out it's pretty much kind.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Of like a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
That's what the coach does, right, managing egos and how
to figure out how to talk to this player, how
to get through this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
So Timmy was was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
That and he knew how to get through to everybody
to where it was, you know, encouraging at the same
time and being the leader.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
So Bron, Bron's a close second.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
But yeah, Timmy, tim was the only only superstar I
played with that was standing. Was the biggest cheerleader on
the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
He didn't care to be a superstar.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
He won in the game like I played with like
you know, Jermaine o'nill, and I ain't saying they didn't.
But tim was up every play. I'm talking about every play,
cheering on the team bro every play. That's the only
and the caliber play was all the other caliber players.
You really didn't see that from God said.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Fifteen time All Star, fifteen time first Team All NBA,
fifteen time First Team All Defense. He's the only one
ever to do that. It's wald nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
I've seen get Crafty, quadriple double games, six I've never
seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Yeah, he do something.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
You look at the boxer like, damn, Timmy had thirty
and what fifteen, he's thirty eight, Like he was doing it.
And he said, Danny, well, we appreciate your time. Making
was one of those whom is man, These were my best.
I'm not with Puma anymore right now. I'm telling you
got some shit over it. But uh, yeah, man, we
got some gifts for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
We got our coffee table book merch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Appreciate you now, but thank you again. Congratulations on your career.
Good luck, you know, with with that fatherhood and all
the blessings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
That phrase space.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah, and in the media space say flight today and man,
that's your wrap, Danny Green. You can catch some other
Spoke productions YouTube and the Draft Kings Network. See y'all
next week. M

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