Daz Dillinger joins All The Smoke to break down his legendary career from working on The Chronic at 16 to reclaiming his music rights and defining West Coast hip-hop. He shares untold stories about stealing studio reels back from Suge Knight, watching Snoop buy Death Row, and his behind-the-scenes work on Doggystyle and Murder Was The Case.
Daz opens up about why the West Coast still fights for respect in rap, his relationship with Ice-T, and stepping away from music before his powerful comeback.
He also gives his take on Kendrick Lamar, the current state of beef, and how he's making smart business moves in real estate while sharing the secret to studio success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back all the smoke. Jack. We got a legend
in the building. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We appreciate just your time and willingness to come and
chop it up and tell some stories.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
A lot of good things going on in your life
right now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Congratulations, you just got your copyright reversion, your copyback. So
talk to us, because we talked to DC a couple
of months, man, about three or four months ago about
this process. And so it's a thirty five year process.
And then after that everything reversion. It was a sixty
five year process set up to lose even thirty five
as a monster, though, especially the end of the game
you were playing there.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Most definitely rested peace to Tupac and all the man.
They didn't get to see all that, Yes, and they
have somebody else do.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It for him.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Explain what that is though for the people that don't understand, well,
nineteen seventy six, it was a copyright ad called copyright
reversion where they lorded down to thirty five years and
if you signed a bad deal when you was young,
you get the second bite at the apple thirty five
years later, which the company had to come back and
(00:57):
negotiate with you to keep they deal in place. If
you don't want to do it, or if you want
to do it, it's up to you. I chose to
do it myself. It took me this long to get
it back. And if you don't answer the phone I
called off, I did the deal, it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So you know, so tell me, like, let me hear
some of the songs. Let the fans hear some of
the songs that you just got the reversion back to.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I mean all of death ro Cadillact. I mean riding
in the Cadillac. But you know all the songs from
like Ambitions of a Rider. Ain't man that you two
of the most Americans most wanted, you know, songs that
people implicated, Ambitions of a Rider in Little Wag meet Me,
everybody to everybody touched on that. So you know, I
(01:42):
get a piece of that, and I get twenty five percent,
and then Tupac get the other twenty five percent, and
then they get to chop up the rest of that
whatever it is. But we get the solid number off
the top, you know what I mean? So you know
them checks come in every three months, times, fifteen, twenty times,
so you know, but I love it. Yeah, like I said,
(02:04):
people have reached the pinnacle rap. You know, they got
a song with everybody in the game from run DMC
with Rage being in a video with run DMC Jam
as the Jay. That's classics for me as far as
being a part of hip hop. You know what I'm saying,
I reached the pinnacle of rap.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
With that said, though, I still don't think you get
the respect you deserve for what you created and accomplished
and the people you help build that are the pioneers
or exactly you are a pioneer, but who are the
pioneers in this space? We talked a quick we talked
to DC about that and why do I feel like, Yeah,
how come you feel like you know, guys like you,
(02:42):
some of the pioneers in this West Coasting don't necessarily
get the respector or or credit you deserve for your
hand in the game.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Because we probably don't give up a lot of publishing
and you know, follow the rules what they want us
to do, you know what I'm saying. But just learning
the game period is just a learning lesson. And then
I'm a low key person. I'm not a show boll,
you know, just kick back, you know to some drama
and then I'll show out, you know, to get us
out of the situation. You know, it's all about a
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private solution, pieceful solution, or can turn the other way,
but it's all about you know, think first. You know
that thirty seconds and get your thirty years coming back
from that. So you boys better think out there, get
your money.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean, you stepped away from Wrap a couple of
years ago and just said it wasn't fun no more.
What got the enthusiasm back because you're dropping a project soon.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean just the part of not just you know,
just rapping I love, it's just the bullshit that the
middleman and everybody else inside game trying to let me
hook this stuff for you, let me hook that, you know.
That's what I got tired of. That type of stuff,
you know, Yeah, everybody in there trying to get them
a piece of something that I got a verse for you.
Somebody wanted to get a first, But how much you
getting out of the deal, you know what I mean,
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that type of thing, you know, So that's what I
really got sick of, you know, tired from that part
of the game, but now retired from you know, dropping
this dope music and this all we know. And then
you know, I learned something different, which is constructions, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Tell us about what we should expect from this album
in the name of it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The name of this album is Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back.
I dropped Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back Part one nineteen
ninety eight, and so I felt like, you know, my
spirit was like, drop this album.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You had to get this out of you.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There's some energy on this Yeah, some energy on it. It's
all hardcore, you know what I'm saying. Nothing soft, just
a movie kin of features. I got the regular features
that was on the first album. Okay, you ran it back.
So that's why I wanted to put it like that.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Ninety was a good year. That's my senior year of
high school.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, we got basically everything and is mixed. Property is banging,
you know what I'm saying, And uh, you know, just
having fun with it, you know. So that's what it's about,
having fun with the music. You know what I'm saying,
that we can have fun now we're older. Now we
ain't got a lot of people in our mixed trying
to steal from me. We'll talk to us.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, we were talking before we got on camera and
just how dirty the business is. But you were just
giving us so much game, not only in the music space,
but now you're in the construction of real estate space.
But what was your hand almost forced to learning because
you saw so much bullshit being played with the numbers
and holding money back and not getting this and not
getting that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I see a lot of people get fucked, you know
what I mean, just taking advantage of it. You know
what I'm saying and knowing before you make the song,
you need to register that song, because it's all about
what I give them, not where they get me. They
waiting for me to give them something. So before I
dropped this song up to you, I'm already registered and
getting together. So when you try to go register, it's
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already done before you even think about it. And that's
what I did back in the nineties too, you know
what I'm saying. Like I said, I am the producer.
I called the shots around here. You know what I'm saying.
We should went to jail. I was running death from
you know what I'm saying. And he tried to have
me in snoop feuding, and you know that's my cousin.
We ain't gonna never even fall out like that. You
know what I'm saying, Don't fall out of you. But
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we ain't gonna fall out on each other, you know
what I'm saying. So, and we still pushing to this day.
You know what I'm saying, And that's I've been on
this trip for fifty two years. God plus he did,
so you know, it's a learning lesson. Every lesson ain't
a failure a learning lesson. Keep pushing, you know what
I'm saying, and get up and do it again.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Not too long ago, Snoop bought Death row Over. What
did that mean to you? Obviously? That was a you
spoke on it. That was a wild time, obviously, and
you learned a lot from it. But to hear your
family brought it back in and it's gonna be ran different,
it's a different version. Were your thoughts when you first
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heard that?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, you know, it was a dude named Alan grim
Black who ran Eve one. He was the evil man,
you know, he was running around with shit and they
was stealing and he had told him that I had
sold my publishing and everything, and then Snoop get it
back and then come to find out, Uh, they lie,
and then I got all that money back from when
(07:04):
they found there wasn't no paperwork or none of that.
And then they said, what is your routing number? Hey?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, you know what I mean and want to be sued.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It didn't want to be sued. So you know, add
a little bit more zero to the back of that
thing and we'll call it a day. Because you know,
I love My lawyer's name is Brett Lewis. You know
what I'm saying, be and my friend made him on
a plane when I was down and out put that
paperwork in and know how to work it. And you
know what I'm saying. Here we are today, you know
what I'm saying, and just learning from everybody and teaching people.
(07:35):
You know what I'm saying. Just watch me watch the
moves out What is it? Don't watch me watch the
moves out there? Who says that person I was just sick?
I was just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Register He just that's a common saying, Like the homie says.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That because shout out big key. He you do know
any truth to you? Stealing reels back when Sugar went
down the most, definitely I pulled the U haul truck up.
He talked to us about that. It was you know,
Reggie right the rat. You know what I'm saying. You're
trying to tell me I couldn't get my ribs. So
you know, we overpowered and put the ribs in the
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back and I gave them all blank rills. You know,
he gave me a check and thought I had, you know,
all the music in there, but I gave him all
blank rills. He ain't checking no ribs, you know what
I mean. So I just put the sympthy on hed
fuck you on the drum machine, which I sampled, so
I said fuck you, fucky, fuck you the whole time.
(08:40):
And then when they pulled them tapes up, they was high.
That's all I heard was fuky. I got them ribs
right at the house, you know what I'm saying. So
I just keep them like they has a trophy, all
the ribs because they don't even have real or real
machines no more. So you know, just this is business.
(09:00):
Don't try to put one on us. Yeah you know
what I mean, because no reals cost two hundred fifty
dollars a piece without nothing on it. When you buy
them in the pack, you buy one for two hundred
and fifty dollars. So you got to get two hundred.
Back in the day, you had to have two hundred
and fifty dollars just to record on one. You know
what I'm saying. They didn't even have a dad's computers
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and stuff back then.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
A lot of people don't know the difference between Long
Beach in LA and LA. Yeah, explain it to him.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Long Beach is all cribs, ain't no others, The father
of Us, ain't nothing down there. It's just all crips, nineteens, instans, twenties,
and you got the essays and then you got the Filipinos.
But we all together. But as soon as you come
past that bridge that's seventeens to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That full five, Yeah, it's a different story.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's all Then you got North Long Beach. You know
what I'm saying. So that's like mac Mafia's and you
know what I'm saying, So we all get along. You
know what I'm saying, it's Long Beach niggas everywhere. Yeah,
you know, we hang out comped in LA. You know what,
something about youification like Nipsey, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Saying, finding your love for music. I know Snoop and
I know your first cousins. Kind of grew up in
the church background. That's how y'all found your.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Mom also used to write too, right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My mom wrote songs for Bobby blue Blain, a song
called to be Friends. Ye never looked that up on
any you know. She wrote songs for Stacks and Motel.
Michael Grayson was the producer and the dude that uh
Kendrick Lamar and y and sample Monk Higgins. She was
the part of them writing songs with them. So you know,
my mom played piano. My mom tutored, she was school teacher.
(10:34):
She tutored Janet Jackson.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And so you had a relationship with the Jackson family.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, my mom tutored for Janey Jackson when she was
in teenager. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And uh, what was Mike like?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know we see him every now and then, you
know what I'm saying and interact with him, and you
know he had a dope mid picture and all other said.
That's where they lived in in Sino, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, you know my mom she
uh then she became a gospel singer.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, so was in your blood?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, most definitely. I grew up in music. Like my
mother said, me and your daddy got all these degrees
and it, Butty, you made more money than all they
paid them dues.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It was definitely Ray J and Brandy our family.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, most definitely they from mccormall. We from like my
family from Magnoa, Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So what's the circle in the music space of like
cousins family Because Nate Dogg's cousin.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Too, uh, not our cousin, but he's from you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Mississippi, Okay, from out that way.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, so you know, just us being from Mississippi, that's
where you get that soul from. Yeah and all that,
you know what I'm saying. And my dad from New
Orleans from the ninth Ward off Dual Street, so you know,
no George Floyd daughter. So you know, just good music, jazz,
soul music, gospel music, you know what I'm saying. That's
why I became the great producer that I am.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Told It was a story about Ricky Harris.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Rickey Harris, well back in the days, you know that's
our cousin, Ricky Harris. You know, he was on Ice
Cube album back and then we were so proud of
him and doing all that. You know, he was the
Jay and you know all that, and he was like
hook us up, man, you know what I'm saying. So
we grew up with Ricky in the church. His dad
was our pastor, Reverend Harris at Go got the Trinity
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Baptist Church, so you know. And then over the years
he's been great doing movies, the Heat. Then he got
the the one with Chris, you know what I mean,
whatever that show he had with the CHRISTUK Yeah, not
the other Chris.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He was a rock rock I thought money talks.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
To Yeah, he was. And then you know, the day
that he died, we was over there, you know what
i mean. We waited to We put him in the
back of the car. You know when they take your
body to the corner. You know what I'm saying. He
died in the kitchen floor, you know. So I was
dere for that one.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
All them famous skits on the albums man, that was.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
All that to that. I still got something put something
on my new album, Legend, bro Legend, Yeah, d J
E used to we started uh W balls in the
living room. I used to hook up my tape player
for all my equipment and when people call used to
(13:22):
pay w balls, dick in your mouth, you know, ship
like that. And then and then we took that and
put it on record, and the ain't know it became classic.
You know, just stuff we wouldn't even think of, that
we would do became classic. We wasn't really thinking about
this person because we used to. When we made the chronic,
everybody used to walk past us. They didn't know our face,
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they just knew our voice. So when we're trying to
get in the club, they like, let you little niggas
in the club. Ice T come up and that's the
nigga playing in the back, y'all playing that music. So
ice T used to get us in the club all
the time. Did he start as a comedian? He started
off as a comedian. I remember on Deaf Comedy James.
He was always yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then
he was doing acting and he was directed you know
(14:07):
what I'm saying. So we learned from that to be like,
you can be who you want to be if you
want to be that person.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Speak to Ice Tea and someone that kind of really
he's starting to come out and talk a little bit more,
but just his influence and what he's man, but particularly
to you.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I see that's the big homie. He just hit
me the other day and I left him a message
Sunday and I put that message that he left me
on my album. So y'all can go listen to my
new album drop June fifteenth. June fifteenth, and y'all can
hear Ice Tea talking about his homie dad, you know,
just giving me great you know your flowers, just give
me great leadership and what to do not to do?
(14:42):
You know what I'm saying this part because he's a
trouble on gena game. Come on, man o whole night?
Is he really? Yeah? You know iced Ty almost eighty Damn,
I would have never known seventy something.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's crazy, big homie. Real.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The DP the DPG sound, yeah, we all love and
we all kind of grew up to How did that
sound come about?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That sound came from learning from doctor Dre Warren G
and myself. You know what I'm saying, just listening to
what doctor Dre did, taking what I have from the
drum machine, putting it on the tape, adding live instruments
and mixing it and making it sound good. Because back
the days, they used to just use samples and Gretty
samples and stuff like that, and then it's about the quality,
not the quality. So I learned from that and then
(15:29):
have my own sound and just my music is aggressive,
like I like to have basic you know, chords and
melodies and just instruments. You know what I'm saying. And
I don't hear that today. Boom boom boom. You know,
everything sound the same kind of to me. Yeah, And
you know you want to chill back in there, like
keep sweating, you know what I'm saying. But like how
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we used to sample George Clinton all them Now now
they sampling our music. Now, now we're getting the sample
Clinton's check saying. I got a whole bunch of stuff,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna take my
whole catalog, chop it up with the selfals and all that,
and gonna put out and let them go get crazy,
you know what I'm saying. Because you don't get information
(16:12):
unless they put it out for you.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Where did your love for producing and creative coming from?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Create?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Creativity come from?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Feelings? Expression? You know what I'm saying. If I couldn't
talk to then I'd be fighting, you know, like autism kids.
You know what I'm saying. So just the feeling the music.
You know what I'm saying. How if I feel mad,
then I make some aggressive music. If I feel like
I love I got the you know the bride. We're
(16:40):
sitting right here, We're doing our thing. You know. It's
all about the mode.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Right, Yeah, and make me a love song?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah for real? Might put the drink down, man, get
the move right, dim the lights down, and then you say, now.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Feeling, can I get you anything? What was some of
them sessions you like, ladies or some of them sessions
like with you Dre Warren, just behind the scenes, creating magic.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Just learning. Just the Cold Chronic album was just soaking
us going to school. You know what I'm saying, Soaking
it up, man, you know what I'm saying, and being
involved with it and elevanting because you know, we lived
in Hollywood. We was only living off a bucket of chicken,
you know, Louisiana. You know what I'm saying. Chicken and
two bags of weed a day. You know what I'm saying.
(17:26):
We would have to call a homeboy. Al Dog recipes
from The Dog Pain Hit two we eleven one eighty
seven not one one on the page in Hollywood from
Willie and Franklin. That's where we used to stay at
because we used to record that Dick Griffy Studio which
is now what was Babyface Studio or something off of Kwanga,
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So that was our area and us being from Loan Beach,
we didn't know how to get back to Long Beach
because we was never left Long Beach. So we was
in Hollywood and that's how we got to know everything
would buy the Chronic album. And plus you know, back
then with Doctor Dre, we was going at it with
Nwa and whoever else wanted it, you know what I'm saying.
So and that we all cool. You know what I'm saying.
(18:12):
We just fighting somebody else battle that we did nothing
to do.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, talk to us about that Chronic album. You're
a teenager, yeah, working on that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I was sixteen, six fifty two. Now that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, what's that like? Like you said, soaking it up?
But just really take his back to that moment and
what you were learning and seeing and feeling and hearing.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I mean, you know, just hearing that music that Doctor
Dre and then before.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How much older? Not to cut you off how much
older is Dre than you? So Dre is what ten
fifteen years older than year?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
About ten fifteen years okay, you know what I'm saying.
Snoopers like two years older than me. Okay, you know,
but just learning, going back and forth, being broke, standing
on the phone calling nine one one eight eight seven,
looking at a nigger driving Alexi like, man, I think
I like that Lexis. You know what I mean. And
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then dreams come true. We didn't know it was gonna
be who we are, you know what I'm saying. We
were just making music. How did how did Dra find you?
I came under Snoop? You know what I'm saying. They
found Snoopy. Snoop brought all of us together, you know
what I'm saying. And then I was DJing. My name
was DJ Young Jedi. You know I can get down
(19:21):
on the turntables. And then just learning. And then one
G taught me how to use the drum machine. And
I learned from Dre how to take what I have
from the drum machine and lay it down and bring
in bass players and orchestras and add different stuff to
what I'm seeing. If I said I'm going through the wind,
I need that orchestra to go. It's on that part,
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you know what I'm saying. Just to make it sound
you know what I'm saying, how you go from Jedi
to dash Uh. My name is del Mar Arnold. So
I hung with a lot of people, my homeboys, from
the Fipers, the Nation of Islam, you know, divide our
EVESI zag. You know what I'm saying. I studied that,
and you know what, just studied a lot of things.
You know what I'm saying, growing up as a kid,
and that turned into dazz. You know what I'm saying,
(20:05):
Destruction ads up to zero. I'm Muslim, Yeah, so that
would I learned that back in the days. You know,
listen to poor righteous teachers, you know. Back in there,
you know we all had the medallion. Yeah, we all
had the African Medallia. We all had we had in fact,
I had the big ones, the little ones, the yellow ones,
all that shit, you know what I'm saying. So just
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growing up in that era, you know what I'm saying,
And you know that's what that was. Hip hop was
about learning, you know what I'm saying. And when I
hear different songs, I think about damn what's the mathematics?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, everything doggy style. What was it like helping be
a part of that project?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It was great being a Dodarky Stacks because I was
producing more, I was writing more, just learning more. You know,
they knew our face then you know what I'm saying.
And then, uh, that's when John Singleton came to us
and he wanted us to do poetic justice, and we
did the song Niggas Don't give a Fuck and that
was the first doll Pound song because being correct with Solo,
(21:03):
I was that nigga dash. He was corrupted kingpin. And
then we was getting high. You know what I'm saying
looking at the moon one night. Damn, we call ourselves
the dog Pound cause we lived in the dog I
was staying in our house the dog Pound. And then
all the niggas that we had the doll Pound gang.
(21:23):
But we have a group to dog pounds. So I'm like,
nigga were gonna become the dog Pound. And that next
day when we was hard thinking that shit drunk and
shit looking at the moon and shit in the moon,
moving and shit, John Singleton came up and we did
that song. The next day. It was solidified.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, you've had your hand in a ton of hits.
What was that one when you heard on the radio
the LA radio wave the first time you were like.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Damn, got my mind on my money and my money
on my mind. Jean and Juice, you know what I'm saying.
On hearing your voice, but just being on tangaway and
blunts and just being on the chronic and then what
would you do? We got nominated that was a dis
song a Grammy and we got nominated for a Grammy
for that and me and took our mother's to the Grammys.
(22:08):
It was not date go are you finished? You can
finish that this? You know, we just took our mothers
to the to the Grammys and got the you know,
the boone thus wanted. You know what I'm saying. But
that's when we was few when back then, But we're
best of friends now. Yeah. Shut out to bone thugs,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
A bort of Room soundtrack dog pind for like you
did that Beata, did that beat.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That bitch hard? That ship crazy?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
And then soundtrack Big Pimping Too, Yeah, Big Pimping too.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I heard I want to say, I heard you tell
it or someone tell it. You and Snoop got into
some ship one time, just kind of wrestling around, and
he shot their equipment.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, we got into it. Little cousin in the room
talking ship. I'm talking ship and uh, I think I
put him in the head locks or something like that.
And then uh, he came in there and shot my drummer.
Shot these three eighties we just bought. And then I
(23:07):
went in there and shot the TV up he just bought.
They had one of big ass TVs. And then we
just went there and smoked the blunt afterwards, all the.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Day, did d y'all, didn't y'all create Ain't no fun
right after.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That, Yep, because we went somewhere and they took the
dish out the drum machine and gave it to doctor
Drake and I came back in they had ain't no fun? Then,
Do I get my credit for it? I'm still fighting
for that right now. It's this stuff that only we know.
You know what I'm saying talk to us about.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Ain't no fun though, Yeah, ain't no fun.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The homieshing, you know, boom boom bomb. After that offer
Cameo was sampling Cameo and then they just took that
base like one one, Doctor Drake did what he did,
and Nate Dog coming in and when I mentioned it
was over who it's the piece of Nake Dog. You
know what I'm saying. We've been through a lot, man,
you gonna do You really don't know. Somebody advise you
(24:04):
not to trust that whole silly of me to fall
in love with you with my son, rotate till my
game grows bigger?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
How many bit just wanna fuck this nigga name Snoop Doggy.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I'm all the above. I'm just swift on my toes
to get caught up with you ho hey. And we
performed that every time, and you know, you know what
I'm saying. They'd be like, man, we grew up on
y'all man, you know yeah, and we just be like,
damn that old.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know what I'm saying. But I still feel you know,
you know what I'm saying, my vegetables fruit, you know
what I'm saying, get the sun. I better get y'all
some son too, because that's the part of life.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That's a blessed Your music timeless, Yeah, murder was the case.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Murder was the case we had wrote. That song was
a song called Dave death after visualizing eternity. That was
the first name of that song when we first created.
Then we turned it into murder was the Case, But
murder was the case song was done before that incident
with the so it wasn't like we made that after that,
you know what I'm saying. So I just went so
(25:05):
looked like yeah, yea the time police with you know
what I'm sing. But I had just went over there
the other day. If you look at my Instagram, I
got a clip on it where I went thirty house
to invent just really you know, like that history and
just that part right there, and just like man because
I played the devil part, bring your lifestyle to me.
I make it better would in life beforeever? Yeah, when
(25:29):
I mean that, I make a life better than you
can imagine even dreamed of. So relax your soul, let
me take control. Close your eyes closed, so you know that,
like and they made a movie out of that, you
know what I'm saying. So you know, and you know
we get paid from that to this day, you know
what I'm saying. So I just look at it everything
(25:49):
and I just love it. You know what I'm saying
that My kids they looking like, that's you daddy, right, crazy? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
What's that side of it like? Because music is so
different today than it was back then? But what does
that side like when your kids kind of start understanding
who their dad was and what kind of history.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
When im walking with my daughter, she's like, man, why
these motherfucker's coming up to you?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Who was it? Seven? And my son he got a
chain on? Yeah, you don't know. You ain't tell me.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
You ain't tell me.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So you know our school, and now she knows, you
know what I'm saying. So and now she listening to
the music, you know, because she all West Coast and
she's seven years old.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
When did you run into corrupt? How you in corrupt me?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We were me and corrupt met on death ruck, you
know what I'm saying. He was already on death row
when I came. And then we was upstairs until like
they had a big old room with they had a
dance hall. We used to perform up there and practice
and rehearsal, and he used to come back to them,
and then we just became super tough titan and then
I became security for him, beat niggas up for you know.
(26:52):
So we just running a ready right from Philly, right
from Philly, sharing here Yeah, yeah, Jam and Rosco yep.
So you know, just been with us and then you know,
we've just been a tight knit family, you know what
I'm saying, and just running.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So y'all had fallen out for a little bit. I
heard you blocked them on social media. Talk to us
about this.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Man, I blocked everybody, not even I'm like, I don't
want to see all.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Everybody, but talk to us. How Snoop got you guys
in the same place early in the morning. Y'all didn't
know what you was gonna be there and then jumped
on the bad Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, you know, me and Snoop had a little falling
out for the last fifteen twelve years, you know, cousin things.
You know what I'm saying. It's not even with the music,
personal business, you know what I'm saying. So you know
we got over that, you know what I'm saying. It
had a lot to do with like you know, you
know my uncle, you know his daddy, mama, you know
my mom and shit, when my mom passed, you know,
(27:48):
I ain't had no support and I just felt like
I was alone. You know what I'm saying, and I
rebelled towards all my family. It was fuck them all, uh,
tea other everybody, you know what I'm saying. So and
then I got over there after she died, and you
know what I'm saying, and thought about everything and thinking
about you know, like where your life going. You're here now.
(28:11):
My father he died on my birthday on May twenty fifth,
you know what I'm saying. So everything is a lesson
to me and our learned. And so I'm thinking to myself,
you know, I really don't have no parents or after God,
myself from now and my children and my business and everything.
You know what I'm saying. So I flew back to
LA and some was like call my cousin Papa and
(28:37):
telling you know, I want to you know, hook her
with the dog. And then so we got back together
talking on the phone, and then my uncle called and
we got into it and I said some shit to
hear me, and he got super high and called Snoop
and Snoop called me my mother, Fael joke, my daddy.
You know what I'm saying. And uh to be back
at square one. So I come back again. Some say
(28:59):
hit him, and then we come back, and he said, yeah,
well come over. So I'm sitting there and then you know,
we're talking and stuff, and then corrupt come and he
thought I was somebody else or something. So I just
looked up here like that. You're like, yeah, and then
this snos starts smiling. Then you put the music on,
and then we came with that song Smoke Up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The first the first album on death Row.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Right, they had the first album going back to death Row. Yeah,
so you know, and then that said, I know, we
just had fifteen more songs done in the next three days.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's that feeling like though, Because you guys had magic
in the past, and then ship always had, but it's
still family. And then once you come back, it's like
you never missed a beat.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What's that feeling like though? When you get back on
the same mental path as the homie, you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Can get some money, man. We some of this new
money man, you know what I'm saying. And we own
the music now and it feels good and you know,
all the player, hey, they gonna hate you know what
I'm saying, And uh, we just had a good time.
And then from then on we just told ourselves we
ain't gonna have no hate, know none of that. Everything
is in the past, everything is over with. You know,
we're starting over fresh with attitudes. And we've been great
(30:07):
since then. You know what I'm saying. I haven't had
no ill will towards nobody, and they haven't had no
ill will. That's what We're always working with each other.
We had a conversation this morning, a meeting on the
phone before I got here with everybody in there, talking
about the dog Food thirtieth anniversary coming out and what
we're gonna be doing for that and what Snoop ideas
is and what our ideas is, and you know what
(30:28):
I'm saying, and right now, just a family thing, loving
each other and pushing because we like we got we
all we got.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You ever think I mean considering the space shows in
the streets. She also was running in the industry, you're
in the label you were with, Yeah, to just be
here today.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Most definitely. I look at a lot of homeboys that
they ain't here, right, you know what I'm saying, and
a lot of parents that aren't here, cousins that aren't here,
and it's just I wake up every morning, like you know,
thanking God, like you know, someday, you know, we all
got to get out of here. Man. We don't know
how we gonna get out of here, but we all
have to die one day. And that's a scary feeling
(31:12):
and make you want to get your life together to
prepare for your children, what the future going to be
like for them, you know, like my houses and stuff,
I already put them in my kids now, you know
what I'm saying. And a lot of black folks like
us don't do health insurance and life insurance and shit.
They just die and just fight for they shit, you
(31:35):
know what I'm saying. So that's why a lot of
people be fighting when you die. Nigg they start fighting
for all your shit. As soon as you die, Niggas
breaking in your house and all kind of shit.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And to be your family fighting over your shit too.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you know, you got
to be mentally prepared for this thing and get your
life together, you know what I'm saying. And eat healthy.
You know, I see people that somebody some thirty years
old I've just seen the other day, you know what
I'm saying. And it's people like that, you know what
I'm saying, And I went to Jamaica. We went to
Jamaica with Snoop to do the recarnation. You know what
I'm saying. It was ladies over there, ninety seven years old,
(32:07):
blowing like a stove.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Smoking some wee baby. Look at my skin, you know
what I'm saying. Seven and just eating right. You know
what I'm saying, Make some trick, That's what it is.
Gotta have that fruit. Why are you all this dead
stuff when you can eat stuff that's living.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Eat greens and smoke greens. You know what I'm saying.
I eat vegetables. I'm a lot of vegetable guys. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah, put that hot sauce on it. Man,
didn't turn anything whatever you wanted to turn.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And in some ways some farms hot sauce is good
for you too.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, Tabasco sauce, not that real hot hollow, not that shit.
Burn your ass up. When did you first meet Park?
We made Park back in like ninety one. We had
met him at a show and then we hooked up
with him and he took us to his house and
Venice Beach. He lived in Venice Beach. He had just
(32:53):
did juice nigga gave us a laser dish. You know
what that is, right? The movie was on a laser dish.
That's all you y'all a little youngster, don't know what
a laser this is. It's a big old dish the
laser you put on there. And he gave us that
movie and we went home and watched that. Mouff we
had a laser dish too, and then we've been friends
from then and back and forth. And then he was
going through his trials and tribulations and then I said,
(33:15):
you know what, shouldn't we gonna do a song. Let's
get Tupac on there. And we had did hard on
the nigga that was on the gang related by that
song was like, yeah, that song was like four years
earlier before. We didn't even use it. But we paid
him thirty thousand. You look at the movie when she
came and gave him that money. That was for that song.
That was the most he ever got paid. Like, so
(33:38):
hear me like, I don't get paid us and they're
gonna make sure to give you some money. Can get
some money over this. That's hard, So I'd be hard too. Yeah,
should never have royalties. He never had a royalty department.
He was just always here, here, this and there and
didn't have a royalty you know what I'm saying that
the count what it was, he was just always giving
you shit, giving you a big glumps of money and shit.
(34:00):
And that's when I found out that I got to
get a business account because I was just buying pounds
and doing what I'm doing, and the tax man came
and put a hold on that money. Kind of disappointed
me when I went to the bank to get that pound,
you know what I mean. And so I had to
go back and readjust myself and learn from the white
folks to say, hey, man, I got to get a
(34:22):
business account. It's a child support. They can't snatch that
money in the business man, you know what I mean,
And learn that. Like I said before, when I tell everybody,
now pay Uncle Sam, because you can make all the
money in the world once you pay him off, once
you get him out of your head, you can make
all the money in the world.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's just the stress of this stress you out knowing
you on. They don't be the other shit.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's why you got to get your business acount, because
you pay your taxes at the end of the year
and write that off, you know what I'm saying, and
do business right, you know what I'm saying. So I
just write it off and everything is a swipe on
the credit card because I got too much cast I'm
gonna forget what I the bought? Is it?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it true? You got a stable of songs from
Park that ain't been released.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I gave him back to his mother. Yea, back then,
how many songs? At least about forty songs? I had
made mcavellian Dllinger an underground album like from the back
of his bootleg, you know what I'm saying. Because deaf
Ro was trying to steal my music and stuff, so
I had to release it some way somehow, you know
what I'm saying. So yeah, and then she sued me
for me and that was mister Phoenis she care up?
(35:25):
But we was all cool. And then I gave it
a real because I'm like, I didn't want them to
steal it, you know what I'm saying, right, And then
that's what I made my deal with Universe for those songs,
and then fifty six and who Kid came and got
that song The realist killer. I helped put that song
together because they got the vocals from me. They came
over there like a bullet player. They didn't know what
(35:48):
to expect up to get those vocals. Yeah, but I
gave it to him. You know what I'm saying that
Fred Righouse.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Pok's work ethic rubbed off on us.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You know what I'm saying. We probably was listening to
one song to day and some shit like that in
half of us. So when he finished with us, we
was doing ten songs a day, and that motherfucker. You
know what I'm saying, I was because I was working
with him. So I'm doing the beat. And we live
next door to each other when he stayed on Wilshire,
so he would wake up in the morning. I'm a
Gemini here and Geminal. We up early in the morning.
(36:17):
He wanted to smoke some wheed. You know, I got
the he smelly coming under the door. So he always
say the first one in the morning, you know, early bird,
get the worm. And so I mean early morning, I'm
making bets and stuff. He hearing it through the wall.
He come over there and get you to I wanna
jump on the first, get him first. You got him.
(36:38):
Everybody else gonna take him.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
He just type a nigga, do the song play back
one time to go into the next one.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, Because I think it was nineteen ninety five, October
should call and said me me at Manti's, you know,
the Mafia restaurant. He didn't see them, and so we
went there. We didn't know what to spect and Tupac
came in the door and they like, you're like you ready, like, yeah, yeah,
(37:05):
I just made five beasts today. Ambitious of a Rider Tour,
America's most wanted just made it. So we went in
there and knocked him down. And that's when the first
song we did was the Ambitious of a Rider. I
kicked it off that the first song is always the
melody in the picture movie. Yeah, set the tone, you
(37:26):
know what I'm saying. And from then on, I dropped
them five and then we was doing I already had
ain't nothing, but I can't stop party.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Why are you looking like that, snoop?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know what I'm saying. And then I had that
beat already to hook everything, and the song was already done.
I just needed Tupac came in there, ladies verse, and
then we looked up and then Snoop walked in the door,
and then it was already like shit, you already right here.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Over You were in an era where if you're making
a collapse, you're making a song with somebody else. They
was in the studio. Talk to us about what that
energy different being. How if they send their sample over
to you, what's the what's the difference between obviously being
in person and catching that energy in that that that
BA vibe.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Throwing ideas from me? You you know what I mean?
Packing forth like the basketball. You know, it's more organic. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and then and then
we're creating together, and then that makes it better instead
of one person going to get brain boggled. You know,
I've seen some shit.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I ain't as you know, as smart as you as
you in the game, but I've seen from just being
around studio. Sometimes people send verses to people and they
make a beat. They make a whole song to the
verses that you already spit. They just just track them in.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's easy. Start off with the snare first. The snare
makes the song. Yeah, that makes the song that set
the tempo, right, that set the tempo. But it also
makes the song, whether the clap is loud or it's
just you know what I mean. And then the kick
and they eight away. You know what I'm saying. It
all depends on how you rap in too, So you know,
(38:55):
I start off with the drums first, you know what
I'm saying, and that sets my tone in the baseline,
then the top part in the music, and then the
rest is history.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
So it ain't hard to build a beat around versus
already dropped.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
When you're good at it, you'll profession Yeah, yeah, we
come in. We professor to go ahead, knocked that thing
out while they're sitting in there, and did ten songs
in the last hour, you know, getting in and getting
out because back then you just pay for studio time.
You had that much. You got, you got, you got
any classics. That's that was done like that. Yep, we
did uh we did uh. Ain't no fun like that. Really,
(39:29):
let's play house. We did scandalous with Tupac when they.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Dog they dropped their versus. You build the beat around it. Yeah,
that's that's hard. That's hard.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You know the little quantitizer they just wrap your verse
man and put the rest to it. Yeah, you know
what I mean, and then you know that's like one
method that we do like that. You know see how.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That's the talent that everybody can't do that. I've seen
everybody can't do that. The quantitize on there.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It was called uh back then that ship midy. Kendrick
most definitely came back outside, had a hell of a
still got a good bro. I just heard a they
not like us, but with everybody versus whoever did somebody?
So it was Kendrick, it was Tupac, it was a
Snoop versus. Then it was it was ice Cube, no Vassiline,
(40:20):
all on one mix like that. I didn't hear. I
ain't heard that put that in there. Put they not
like us, Tupac, ice Cube, Snoop, They got all they
verses put together like that ship hard. I said, y'all
got that that mother hardlad jaw set it off. Used
to be soft. Now you just went soft first shows
damn with the heck k Yeah yeah, and then they
got Tupac hit him up on that. I'm like, Damn,
(40:42):
that was hard right there. They won't never get a clip. Yeah,
they keep it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I want to hear it though it's on the internet.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I love him. That's my boy right there. Kendrick made
it happen. You know what I'm saying. From when he
was first starting to now. You know, he made a
song a long time ago that I heard that he
was giving it up for me, like he appreciated my music,
and it's a tribute song to me, you know what
I'm saying. So I got that in my archives. You
know what I'm saying. And just I'm happy for all
West Coast artists and all artists who can accomplish things.
(41:13):
You know what I'm saying. From going from nothing and
nothing and using their word play and you know him
and Corrupt his best friends, and he learned from corrupt.
You know what I'm saying. Ye I ain't know that, Yeah,
that's yeah, that's what you know. He learned from corrupt.
You know word play, you know, Corrupt good with the
words and ship like that. You know, shut out the
top dog. You know what I'm saying, just moving around
(41:33):
and you know, like I say, TD is moving right now.
You know what I'm saying. From Sissy to Kendrick, schoolboy,
all of them. You know what I'm saying. So everybody,
you know what I'm saying, and he the most gagerous
nigga that don't get in no trouble top.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, I'm saying coolst shit. I just he decided to
set the concert last.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Week and he got me some tickets in Atlanta too.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
What was your role in the above the Rim soundtrack producer?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I started it off at first, you know what I'm saying.
I'm always the one to kick it off, doing the
songs and giving them the idea, and they're like, Oh,
that's ship tight, you're gonna do that, and I know
I'm about to ida did pain anything for murder? Was
the case? Had took a picture? I'm like, damn, this
is a hard ass picture for murder? Was the case?
(42:19):
And then they turned them up sucker to an album cover?
You did pain? Not to do pain? That be hard?
Too hard that I think stretching him? Did that be pain? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
What do you think about beef these days as a whole,
because beef used to mean different ship when you guys
is beefing something like the Drake and the Kendrick beat
in general?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Just how everybody get killed? Well, everybody cool? Ain't nobody
get killed? Back then? It didn't have no internet, so
you just like when you seen them, it was just action.
You know what I'm saying. Wasn't no Internet back then.
We were selling the CDs, consignment, tower records and stuff
like that. Door the door, Yeah, do the door in
the head comeback.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
As soon as the first motherfucker found social media and
final he can hate on people and not have to.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Pay for it personally, the whole world. I haters start
doing it shit and you got your favorite CD and
your homework, come over and snatch your motherfucking CD. All hell,
break a little nigga see a CD. I'm getting that now.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Celebrities doing it hating on people because they can throw
a rock and hide they hand. You know what I'm saying,
what social.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Media is done trying to stay off there, you know,
just promote the music and.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
You're get in trouble with you following everything. What is
your thoughts on that? Because obviously you come from the
cold and the cloth, but all the all the streets stuff,
people telling us, all the talking that's going on on
these days on that side of the of the podcast space.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It's not about what you're talking about, how you do it,
and you know, being'tna telling yourself what your woman cheating.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Were under the old lort though. A lot of shit
is foreign to us, so Nick can't speak on it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's the young guys crazy so far into It's like
it's not all young, it's it's it's crazy just to
see what's been.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
When they tell on you like that, I mean they
hate tell all you've been.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
There, Showtime Lakers, the Forum Club, it was definitely talk
to us about that era.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I mean, you know Norm Nixon, you know what I'm saying.
Coop to do you know what I'm saying. A C. Green,
Magic Johnson, just.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The whole young boy back then, just.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Going up with that. That's when the former is blue.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
And now, did you hoop it all? I played a
little bit? Cut it out? You played football? You know
hood football? You hoop? You said hood hoop? Yeah? Hood?
(44:49):
I getting there and do some block, But I really wouldn't.
I was just I was more into you know, street ship. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. The Homeboys they do and
we just make sure everybody was straight. I was just
a young nigga that hung around a lot of old
niggas that watched old niggas make mistakes, and I made
write mistakes by learning from what not to do, but
(45:09):
not on this side of the street, you know what
I'm saying. And just learn how your instincts your heart,
and it's gonna flutter in you. It's gonna let you know.
You know what I'm saying, But just learning.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Willie McGinnis is in the same areas, y'all right, yeap?
What was he like as an athlete in high school?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
He was? He was a ship in high school, you
know what I'm saying. And uh, from the same neighborhood,
you know, and he did it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
They got a couple of Willy g from two up
from twenty five Street.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah what I'm saying, yeah two one. You know he
got a Super Bowl rings and ship like that. You
know what I'm saying. That's a big accomplish. You know
what I'm saying. Long shit, But you know the world
don't not really know that. You know what I'm saying
to you? Tell him like you know, Willie mcginnons from
Long Beach too, You know what I'm saying, Cameron Diaz
and all other ship. You know what I'm saying it's
(45:57):
a lot of people from Long.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Beach real estate. When did you I mean that's what
really when I really started seeing you kind of talking
the game and dropping gems on Instagram and I kind
of started really paying attention more, like when did that
become a passion? And talk to us a little bit
of what you're willing to share about your real estate
projects and how you came about them.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well, like I be telling all my homeboys, what is
the most important thing of life somewhere to live a
roof over your head? You know what I'm saying. You
have to have a roof over your head. So that's
the number one money making for me, is you got
to pay that every month. They put you in a
mortgage for thirty years. You might not even get to
(46:39):
see thirty years. But whoever living in that house, if
you pass, they got to qualify. That means you fin
to get evicted and they finn move somebody else in
here that got that money to put down on this
house that y'all was living in for years. You know
what I'm saying. So real estate just showed me that, Hey,
(47:00):
that's a constant money move, money maker On a twenty eighth,
the money should be coming in for the first and
after the first is a late fee, you know what
I mean. And if you don't pay your mortgage, they
kicking your ass out the fuck out quick and you
donet lost your money, and you got to get put
into a fixed mortgage. Sometimes people don't have a fixed mortgage.
(47:20):
So you're paying a thousand dollar a day. Next week
it might be four thousand and you know what I'm saying,
Or they even sold it to somebody else, the loan
to somebody else like that. So I learned go down
to the auction tax the linkment sales and buy property
and then you wait a year because if you wait
a year, the person that lost their property got to
(47:44):
come back and pay that money back to you plus
twenty five percent on the dollar. So you're making your
money back, but they don't come back and get the property.
So you got it now. And it's about your building
getting the survey, you know what I'm saying, and going
to get your plans for your house, you know what
I mean, And go get the concrete. See how much
that is. Because in Georgia, if you're the homeowner, you're
(48:07):
the contractor. I don't need a contractor to help me
pay this dude to go do all this. All I
gotta do is go downtown, get to permit seventy five dollars.
I want to put the gate up seventy five dollars.
I want to reconstruct it one hundred and twenty five dollars.
Now I gotta go see how much the yard of
concrete is and go get me some workers that know
how to do that, you know what I'm saying, And
(48:28):
just sit there and watch him. And that's what my cousin,
Big Jeff. Come in there. Shut out the Big Jeff.
He'll like colonel in the military. You know, he built
his house. He got a twenty five bedroom house Georgia.
You know what I'm saying. On two wakings, you know
what I'm saying, And just learning that made me really
like I love construction, pitch butt NECKD. I ain't even
(48:48):
a look at him and look at this construction over
here because I like that. That's gonna get me to
get BUTTNECKD. But you get him my house, the way
it's built up in here. You know, dry wall, you
know what I mean, shaving it down stairs, pov on
the floor. You know what I'm saying pipes and all that.
You know, you learn all that. So that's what my
(49:08):
joy is. Construction. I got a construction contract and license,
and I just build on my own property. I ain't
got to build on nobody else's property because I got
enough property.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Bottle, you bought some nice properties out there. What are
some of the you were telling us? Obviously World covers
heading out there in twenty six excuse me, Fifa, And
you have a property where it's a big house.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
And the dog Pound Muzum resort. Talk to us about
that dogund Museum resort. It's an airbnb. But I'm making
like my own hotel, which I got my own website
that's getting built so you can go direct. So I
have the big house, which is a forty five hundred
square foot house, three stories. I got a club at
the bottom, second floors lounging with a computer room, and
(49:52):
then upstairs it's three bedrooms, one big bedroom with three
King Stars beds put together. And then I got another
bed room that's a jack and jail bedroom. And then
outside I got villas like ten villas, the Tupac Villa,
Snoop Villa, the dog Pound Villa, Warren g, DJ, Quick,
ice Cube, all my favorite rappers. Now, you know stuff
(50:16):
like that where you can go build I mean you
can go rent those villas for Airbnb. But they got
stuff like this here, but just all they pictures in there.
You don't even see the white drywalls, just all pictures
in there. And then I got like comforters and sheets
with their pictures on it. That's made so when you
(50:37):
want to go to airbb, you could order the bed
set and take it home with you. You know what
I'm saying, And just that experience like that, and you
can pay for me to be on a property, because
I'm gonna be on a property anyway. So i'mna be
watching you, but you can play. You know, I interact
with you a couple of times. You know what I'm saying,
Take a couple of pictures with you. You know what
I'm saying. Got a smoke room outside, you know what
(50:57):
I'm saying. All that. You know what I'm saying. Want
to buy a dog, a rock Waller white at it.
You know what I'm saying, Want a chicken? Want a
goat one stop shot? You know what I'm saying. Everything
I said Rock Waller American and German. You know what
I'm saying, Which ones got a bigger one? The Germans
just big. They got a big here. I got one
named Max. He hard haired hat to get a big
(51:18):
boat chained yesterday and my boy go over there. I
needed to go over there to the house and chain
him up because he just broke out ten times. What
do you wear held at least about one hundred and
thirty pounds I got. I got one bout one forty five.
I feed that Nigga roest for chickens and everything. You know.
I go to Sam's Club, get them foak them four
dollar chickens. They got up in there, said to me,
gonna buy some dog food, and all that is my dog.
(51:38):
You can't give them money or something like you want
this treat then, like Nigga was the chicken that roast beef.
You know, we feed our dog because you know down
south in Georgia, they got like Krogers and all the mood,
you know, all the meat that's finna be rotten, and
they sell it to us. So we just go get
a big old pot and throw all that meat up
in there, cook it and give it to the dogs.
You know what I'm saying, and that's how they get
(52:00):
so bulky. My wife cooked with my dogs every day.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I get that, Bill jack carriage, rice, scrambled eggs, eggs, shills, all.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Kinds of shipping there for them dogs. Bro, they eat
it up for.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
Me every day though, in the food the dogs every day.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Ain't that a bitch? And they and then Rockwaller's loyal too.
They want to eat. Construction is the way, the way
of life, you know what I'm saying, Just learning that
and everything. I went and bought a bobcat. I got
an excavator instead of me rinting somebody else that anytime
I want to and dig me a hole like boost.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
I know where the bobcat is, right, Everybody, we built,
not the cat.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I had a house up and sack.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
We built the whole backyard out the pool, the basketball court.
We made a little motherfucking jump track because I had
like a half acre in front, so we cut the
top off a camera, made them jumps in front of
the house.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
And like that was funough man come to life.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Man. I was in my early twenties too. We seen
all that jackass ship, Like boy, we were wow. Anyways,
quick hitters first thing to come to mind. Let us
know an album.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
You can listen to with no skips, Anita Baker, that
Songstress album, Uh, the Chronic album. You know some Luther.
I like some Antonio, Joe Bean, you know, I like jazz.
I like all kind of music my producer, so you know,
I could listen to anything anything. Yeah, who was your
(53:30):
childhood crush? Dan? The Russ was bad and she was bad,
you know, as a youngster, and then you get older
and then you go to Holly Berry when she had
the little short haircut. Lord, and you know what I'm saying.
And uh, just any woman with some ass, you know
what I mean? I feel, you know, growing up like damn,
she's bad. You know, the school teachers she's bad as
(53:50):
well as you know, just learning and growing up, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Can you give me your your top three favorite songs
you've made?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Tupac of course, Snoop Dogg and like Helter Skelter. You
heard it in that rep room rocking them Shine Price. Yeah.
I mean my catalog goes, you know, with scar Face.
I got something with scar Face. I got you know,
I got a song with Biggie that never came out.
That I got it on a on a on a
what's that called it? A track?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
A that fuck?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
That equipment is so old and that that machine yeah
put all so you know it's like that, just a
bunch of just a bunch of music and stuff. And
you know, I gotta remixes with Kenny Lattimore than I did,
and you know that could you never find another love
as good I did that remix back in the days.
(54:45):
You know, a bunch of remix was good back then.
If he was the remix king, it was different back then.
And most definitely Top five producers, Top five producers, Doctor Dre,
DJ Quick, Myself, Easy More, be Hangs, Shockley and the
Bomb Squad back and then I got a bunch of
(55:06):
slewer people because everybody do something different, you know what
I'm saying, like Sir Jinks, and you know other producers
that I learned from, and you know, Quincy Jones like
number one. Then Doctor Dre. You know what I'm saying
as far as that, you know, because he worked with
Frank Sinatra and jazz and all that, and just said,
my mother, you know what I'm saying, the way she
writes songs and put it together like that you know
(55:29):
what I'm saying. And that's where I learned from, you know,
how to play the piano, and that my daughter played
the piano. Her name is Dadsmin de Leon. She like,
she like fuck making records, and I'm finna make keyboards.
You know what I'm saying. When people bought the keyboards,
and then she got sponsors and you know, apps and
stuff like that. So, you know, just different things in life.
(55:49):
You know what I'm saying. To generate, you know, generate well,
passive income.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
You can say, you producing the record, give me build
a dream team of rappers that you will on three rappers,
and you produce.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
The three rappers I produced, Uh ship, I liked it.
I like, uh the Fat Boys, and I had I
mean beatboxing, you know what I'm saying. And who was
that movie they had?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Disorderly Crush Grow Crush Groove.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Was the movie? Yeah? About them? It was about them?
Yeah yeah. And I knew Prins Markey d Yeah and
Koki and you know what I'm saying, the Human beat
Box YEP, Dougie Fresh most definitely, you know what I'm saying.
And run DMC. I take it back to the old school.
You know what I'm saying, and then everybody else be
added on, like Cool Mold D and everybody else like that.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
The East Coast, West Coast time, Where did where did you?
Where did you? What made you want to get back
and start working with them?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I always work with them. Okay, we worked with Nas,
you know what I'm saying. And we had to the
song with Nas, and then two By came in and
heard it. I'm taking over his part. No, so I
put both versions out. It's called Don't Stop. So you
go on the internet you can find that. And just
you know, we always been cool with the East Coast,
(57:15):
you know what I'm saying. It was just everybody else's problems.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
One artist he never got to work with, but wish
you would have got the opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
We've seen that one time, you know. And Michael Jackson,
you know we've seen him. We smoked him out, really yeah.
You know he was at the award show. He's sticking
the Hey, y'all, dog, you want to hit them? You know,
our trailer was right next to his thing and wherever
his people was, and we was just that was back
when we was young. We were smoking zig zaggs. Then
(57:46):
he was blowing it out. Ye. And then Don Kneius
walked back there, told, hey, y'all got the chill eye.
I was got a soul training thing, you know, soul
trading back then Big Dome rest in peace. Yeah, And
I've been through. We went through the history of all
the music business. You know what I'm saying, because back
then we was hanging with like the Ohio players, sugar
(58:09):
Foot and all them, George Clinton and Boosty Collins and
all that. And that's what we was hanging with when
we was coming up in the rap game. That's what
we admire.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
You know what I'm saying, what's this journey? I mean,
you're fifty, you made fifty fifty two. Life is good,
family business, spiritually line. But what's when you look back
at the journey? Because I think as athletes, while we're
in it and knows what's next, you had the kind
of time to step away find some other passions. But
when you look back and your name in some legendary
times and names like, what is this journey meant to you?
Speaker 1 (58:40):
What is the journey meant to me? Elevation, just being grateful,
just learning more. You know what I'm saying. I'm not
done learning. I could learn from a two year old.
You know what I'm saying. It's just about you taking
heed to what needs to be done and to learn
from and and share. Be humble. You know what I'm saying.
Is it your own reflection? Is your reflection? Is you
(59:03):
what's gonna come back to you? You be a fucked
up person. You might hit your toe on a mother
fucking cheer or something. Now I gotta go back, put
my clothes off, get back in the bed, get back
up again, and restart myself. That's how I do it.
If I get up and hit my toe and said
some I'm gonna be a fucked up day to day.
Let me get back in the Yeah, let me reverse
(59:23):
back and get back in the bed. Yeah, you know,
hit my toe like fucks. So you know it's about regrouping,
you know what I'm saying, and try again. But just
being humble with you. You know what I'm saying, because everything
come back to you. You know what I'm saying. What's
your guilty pleasure? Not knowing enough? So I need to
know more. I got my reader. Yeah, I read a lot,
and I always tell my own boy. If you know
(59:43):
what you got, you ain't got much, So keep acquiring
things and then you go back and see, oh yeah
I got this, I got that. It's like going back
in your cloth you're finding three four hundred dollars in
your pocket, you know what I'm saying, Or finding that
bag of weed that you say you lost ten months ago. Fat.
(01:00:06):
You know, if you know what you got, then you
ain't got much.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
If you can see one guest on our show, who
would it be? But you have to help us get
your answer on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Got Michael Jordan on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah we trying, he said, And now he said he was,
but we ain't got him.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
He caught me, He's gonna do. He started talking. Now
as I'm saying, finna get some money. Ain't nobody heard
him talk. They just heard him talking ship to motherfuckers.
All with the old ass gate that you got on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It's good that the young, the young guys get to
hear Mike talk about the basketball landscape today.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
And most definitely you know what I'm saying. You know,
just how did you know the shoes? And you know what
I'm saying, And how did you accumulate that for so
years that you own? You know what I'm saying all that.
You know what I'm saying. It's just a great thing
to hear him talk because you can learn a lot
of game because he don't do a lot of talking.
He all action.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
He was definitely all well dads, man, we appreciate you,
and I appreciate y'all too. Man sometime with us, but
it's really your contribution to the to the to the space,
to our child.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I'll be watching my man right here. Be active as man.
You know what I'm saying. In all the neighborhoods and
all the police business, making sure they doing the right thing.
You know what I'm saying, talking ship to them in
the neighborhood, Floyd, big up for all that all you do, man,
You know what I'm saying, keep our people going in
and formed because you ain't to be fucked with. They
finn pull in a wool or you're most forging talk
(01:01:29):
to you know what I mean. That's where you're learning from.
You learned from, you appreciate you. That's a rap man, Dads.
Dad's all smoke, baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You can catch on all the Spokes productions YouTube and
the Draft Kings Network see y'all next week.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Mm hmm
Welcome back all the smoke. Jack. We got a legend
in the building. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We appreciate just your time and willingness to come and
chop it up and tell some stories.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
A lot of good things going on in your life
right now.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Congratulations, you just got your copyright reversion, your copyback. So
talk to us, because we talked to DC a couple
of months, man, about three or four months ago about
this process. And so it's a thirty five year process.
And then after that everything reversion. It was a sixty
five year process set up to lose even thirty five
as a monster, though, especially the end of the game
you were playing there.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Most definitely rested peace to Tupac and all the man.
They didn't get to see all that, Yes, and they
have somebody else do.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It for him.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Explain what that is though for the people that don't understand, well,
nineteen seventy six, it was a copyright ad called copyright
reversion where they lorded down to thirty five years and
if you signed a bad deal when you was young,
you get the second bite at the apple thirty five
years later, which the company had to come back and
(00:57):
negotiate with you to keep they deal in place. If
you don't want to do it, or if you want
to do it, it's up to you. I chose to
do it myself. It took me this long to get
it back. And if you don't answer the phone I
called off, I did the deal, it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So you know, so tell me, like, let me hear
some of the songs. Let the fans hear some of
the songs that you just got the reversion back to.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I mean all of death ro Cadillact. I mean riding
in the Cadillac. But you know all the songs from
like Ambitions of a Rider. Ain't man that you two
of the most Americans most wanted, you know, songs that
people implicated, Ambitions of a Rider in Little Wag meet Me,
everybody to everybody touched on that. So you know, I
(01:42):
get a piece of that, and I get twenty five percent,
and then Tupac get the other twenty five percent, and
then they get to chop up the rest of that
whatever it is. But we get the solid number off
the top, you know what I mean? So you know
them checks come in every three months, times, fifteen, twenty times,
so you know, but I love it. Yeah, like I said,
(02:04):
people have reached the pinnacle rap. You know, they got
a song with everybody in the game from run DMC
with Rage being in a video with run DMC Jam
as the Jay. That's classics for me as far as
being a part of hip hop. You know what I'm saying,
I reached the pinnacle of rap.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
With that said, though, I still don't think you get
the respect you deserve for what you created and accomplished
and the people you help build that are the pioneers
or exactly you are a pioneer, but who are the
pioneers in this space? We talked a quick we talked
to DC about that and why do I feel like, Yeah,
how come you feel like you know, guys like you,
(02:42):
some of the pioneers in this West Coasting don't necessarily
get the respector or or credit you deserve for your
hand in the game.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Because we probably don't give up a lot of publishing
and you know, follow the rules what they want us
to do, you know what I'm saying. But just learning
the game period is just a learning lesson. And then
I'm a low key person. I'm not a show boll,
you know, just kick back, you know to some drama
and then I'll show out, you know, to get us
out of the situation. You know, it's all about a
(03:10):
private solution, pieceful solution, or can turn the other way,
but it's all about you know, think first. You know
that thirty seconds and get your thirty years coming back
from that. So you boys better think out there, get
your money.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean, you stepped away from Wrap a couple of
years ago and just said it wasn't fun no more.
What got the enthusiasm back because you're dropping a project soon.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean just the part of not just you know,
just rapping I love, it's just the bullshit that the
middleman and everybody else inside game trying to let me
hook this stuff for you, let me hook that, you know.
That's what I got tired of. That type of stuff,
you know, Yeah, everybody in there trying to get them
a piece of something that I got a verse for you.
Somebody wanted to get a first, But how much you
getting out of the deal, you know what I mean,
(03:56):
that type of thing, you know, So that's what I
really got sick of, you know, tired from that part
of the game, but now retired from you know, dropping
this dope music and this all we know. And then
you know, I learned something different, which is constructions, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Tell us about what we should expect from this album
in the name of it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The name of this album is Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back.
I dropped Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back Part one nineteen
ninety eight, and so I felt like, you know, my
spirit was like, drop this album.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You had to get this out of you.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There's some energy on this Yeah, some energy on it. It's
all hardcore, you know what I'm saying. Nothing soft, just
a movie kin of features. I got the regular features
that was on the first album. Okay, you ran it back.
So that's why I wanted to put it like that.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Ninety was a good year. That's my senior year of
high school.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, we got basically everything and is mixed. Property is banging,
you know what I'm saying, And uh, you know, just
having fun with it, you know. So that's what it's about,
having fun with the music. You know what I'm saying,
that we can have fun now we're older. Now we
ain't got a lot of people in our mixed trying
to steal from me. We'll talk to us.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, we were talking before we got on camera and
just how dirty the business is. But you were just
giving us so much game, not only in the music space,
but now you're in the construction of real estate space.
But what was your hand almost forced to learning because
you saw so much bullshit being played with the numbers
and holding money back and not getting this and not
getting that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I see a lot of people get fucked, you know
what I mean, just taking advantage of it. You know
what I'm saying and knowing before you make the song,
you need to register that song, because it's all about
what I give them, not where they get me. They
waiting for me to give them something. So before I
dropped this song up to you, I'm already registered and
getting together. So when you try to go register, it's
(05:39):
already done before you even think about it. And that's
what I did back in the nineties too, you know
what I'm saying. Like I said, I am the producer.
I called the shots around here. You know what I'm saying.
We should went to jail. I was running death from
you know what I'm saying. And he tried to have
me in snoop feuding, and you know that's my cousin.
We ain't gonna never even fall out like that. You
know what I'm saying, Don't fall out of you. But
(06:03):
we ain't gonna fall out on each other, you know
what I'm saying. So, and we still pushing to this day.
You know what I'm saying, And that's I've been on
this trip for fifty two years. God plus he did,
so you know, it's a learning lesson. Every lesson ain't
a failure a learning lesson. Keep pushing, you know what
I'm saying, and get up and do it again.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Not too long ago, Snoop bought Death row Over. What
did that mean to you? Obviously? That was a you
spoke on it. That was a wild time, obviously, and
you learned a lot from it. But to hear your
family brought it back in and it's gonna be ran different,
it's a different version. Were your thoughts when you first
(06:43):
heard that?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, you know, it was a dude named Alan grim
Black who ran Eve one. He was the evil man,
you know, he was running around with shit and they
was stealing and he had told him that I had
sold my publishing and everything, and then Snoop get it
back and then come to find out, Uh, they lie,
and then I got all that money back from when
(07:04):
they found there wasn't no paperwork or none of that.
And then they said, what is your routing number? Hey?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, you know what I mean and want to be sued.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It didn't want to be sued. So you know, add
a little bit more zero to the back of that
thing and we'll call it a day. Because you know,
I love My lawyer's name is Brett Lewis. You know
what I'm saying, be and my friend made him on
a plane when I was down and out put that
paperwork in and know how to work it. And you
know what I'm saying. Here we are today, you know
what I'm saying, and just learning from everybody and teaching people.
(07:35):
You know what I'm saying. Just watch me watch the
moves out What is it? Don't watch me watch the
moves out there? Who says that person I was just sick?
I was just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Register He just that's a common saying, Like the homie says.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That because shout out big key. He you do know
any truth to you? Stealing reels back when Sugar went
down the most, definitely I pulled the U haul truck up.
He talked to us about that. It was you know,
Reggie right the rat. You know what I'm saying. You're
trying to tell me I couldn't get my ribs. So
you know, we overpowered and put the ribs in the
(08:20):
back and I gave them all blank rills. You know,
he gave me a check and thought I had, you know,
all the music in there, but I gave him all
blank rills. He ain't checking no ribs, you know what
I mean. So I just put the sympthy on hed
fuck you on the drum machine, which I sampled, so
I said fuck you, fucky, fuck you the whole time.
(08:40):
And then when they pulled them tapes up, they was high.
That's all I heard was fuky. I got them ribs
right at the house, you know what I'm saying. So
I just keep them like they has a trophy, all
the ribs because they don't even have real or real
machines no more. So you know, just this is business.
(09:00):
Don't try to put one on us. Yeah you know
what I mean, because no reals cost two hundred fifty
dollars a piece without nothing on it. When you buy
them in the pack, you buy one for two hundred
and fifty dollars. So you got to get two hundred.
Back in the day, you had to have two hundred
and fifty dollars just to record on one. You know
what I'm saying. They didn't even have a dad's computers
(09:21):
and stuff back then.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
A lot of people don't know the difference between Long
Beach in LA and LA. Yeah, explain it to him.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Long Beach is all cribs, ain't no others, The father
of Us, ain't nothing down there. It's just all crips, nineteens, instans, twenties,
and you got the essays and then you got the Filipinos.
But we all together. But as soon as you come
past that bridge that's seventeens to.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That full five, Yeah, it's a different story.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It's all Then you got North Long Beach. You know
what I'm saying. So that's like mac Mafia's and you
know what I'm saying, So we all get along. You
know what I'm saying, it's Long Beach niggas everywhere. Yeah,
you know, we hang out comped in LA. You know what,
something about youification like Nipsey, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Saying, finding your love for music. I know Snoop and
I know your first cousins. Kind of grew up in
the church background. That's how y'all found your.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Mom also used to write too, right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
My mom wrote songs for Bobby blue Blain, a song
called to be Friends. Ye never looked that up on
any you know. She wrote songs for Stacks and Motel.
Michael Grayson was the producer and the dude that uh
Kendrick Lamar and y and sample Monk Higgins. She was
the part of them writing songs with them. So you know,
my mom played piano. My mom tutored, she was school teacher.
(10:34):
She tutored Janet Jackson.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And so you had a relationship with the Jackson family.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, my mom tutored for Janey Jackson when she was
in teenager. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And uh, what was Mike like?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You know we see him every now and then, you
know what I'm saying and interact with him, and you
know he had a dope mid picture and all other said.
That's where they lived in in Sino, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, you know my mom she
uh then she became a gospel singer.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, so was in your blood?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, most definitely. I grew up in music. Like my
mother said, me and your daddy got all these degrees
and it, Butty, you made more money than all they
paid them dues.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It was definitely Ray J and Brandy our family.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, most definitely they from mccormall. We from like my
family from Magnoa, Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So what's the circle in the music space of like
cousins family Because Nate Dogg's cousin.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Too, uh, not our cousin, but he's from you know, uh.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Mississippi, Okay, from out that way.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, so you know, just us being from Mississippi, that's
where you get that soul from. Yeah and all that,
you know what I'm saying. And my dad from New
Orleans from the ninth Ward off Dual Street, so you know,
no George Floyd daughter. So you know, just good music, jazz,
soul music, gospel music, you know what I'm saying. That's
why I became the great producer that I am.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Told It was a story about Ricky Harris.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Rickey Harris, well back in the days, you know that's
our cousin, Ricky Harris. You know, he was on Ice
Cube album back and then we were so proud of
him and doing all that. You know, he was the
Jay and you know all that, and he was like
hook us up, man, you know what I'm saying. So
we grew up with Ricky in the church. His dad
was our pastor, Reverend Harris at Go got the Trinity
(12:18):
Baptist Church, so you know. And then over the years
he's been great doing movies, the Heat. Then he got
the the one with Chris, you know what I mean,
whatever that show he had with the CHRISTUK Yeah, not
the other Chris.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
He was a rock rock I thought money talks.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
To Yeah, he was. And then you know, the day
that he died, we was over there, you know what
i mean. We waited to We put him in the
back of the car. You know when they take your
body to the corner. You know what I'm saying. He
died in the kitchen floor, you know. So I was
dere for that one.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
All them famous skits on the albums man, that was.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
All that to that. I still got something put something
on my new album, Legend, bro Legend, Yeah, d J
E used to we started uh W balls in the
living room. I used to hook up my tape player
for all my equipment and when people call used to
(13:22):
pay w balls, dick in your mouth, you know, ship
like that. And then and then we took that and
put it on record, and the ain't know it became classic.
You know, just stuff we wouldn't even think of, that
we would do became classic. We wasn't really thinking about
this person because we used to. When we made the chronic,
everybody used to walk past us. They didn't know our face,
(13:46):
they just knew our voice. So when we're trying to
get in the club, they like, let you little niggas
in the club. Ice T come up and that's the
nigga playing in the back, y'all playing that music. So
ice T used to get us in the club all
the time. Did he start as a comedian? He started
off as a comedian. I remember on Deaf Comedy James.
He was always yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then
he was doing acting and he was directed you know
(14:07):
what I'm saying. So we learned from that to be like,
you can be who you want to be if you
want to be that person.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Speak to Ice Tea and someone that kind of really
he's starting to come out and talk a little bit more,
but just his influence and what he's man, but particularly
to you.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I see that's the big homie. He just hit
me the other day and I left him a message
Sunday and I put that message that he left me
on my album. So y'all can go listen to my
new album drop June fifteenth. June fifteenth, and y'all can
hear Ice Tea talking about his homie dad, you know,
just giving me great you know your flowers, just give
me great leadership and what to do not to do?
(14:42):
You know what I'm saying this part because he's a
trouble on gena game. Come on, man o whole night?
Is he really? Yeah? You know iced Ty almost eighty Damn,
I would have never known seventy something.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's crazy, big homie. Real.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The DP the DPG sound, yeah, we all love and
we all kind of grew up to How did that
sound come about?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
That sound came from learning from doctor Dre Warren G
and myself. You know what I'm saying, just listening to
what doctor Dre did, taking what I have from the
drum machine, putting it on the tape, adding live instruments
and mixing it and making it sound good. Because back
the days, they used to just use samples and Gretty
samples and stuff like that, and then it's about the quality,
not the quality. So I learned from that and then
(15:29):
have my own sound and just my music is aggressive,
like I like to have basic you know, chords and
melodies and just instruments. You know what I'm saying. And
I don't hear that today. Boom boom boom. You know,
everything sound the same kind of to me. Yeah, And
you know you want to chill back in there, like
keep sweating, you know what I'm saying. But like how
(15:50):
we used to sample George Clinton all them Now now
they sampling our music. Now, now we're getting the sample
Clinton's check saying. I got a whole bunch of stuff,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna take my
whole catalog, chop it up with the selfals and all that,
and gonna put out and let them go get crazy,
you know what I'm saying. Because you don't get information
(16:12):
unless they put it out for you.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Where did your love for producing and creative coming from?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Create?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Creativity come from?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Feelings? Expression? You know what I'm saying. If I couldn't
talk to then I'd be fighting, you know, like autism kids.
You know what I'm saying. So just the feeling the music.
You know what I'm saying. How if I feel mad,
then I make some aggressive music. If I feel like
I love I got the you know the bride. We're
(16:40):
sitting right here, We're doing our thing. You know. It's
all about the mode.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Right, Yeah, and make me a love song?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah for real? Might put the drink down, man, get
the move right, dim the lights down, and then you say, now.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Feeling, can I get you anything? What was some of
them sessions you like, ladies or some of them sessions
like with you Dre Warren, just behind the scenes, creating magic.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Just learning. Just the Cold Chronic album was just soaking
us going to school. You know what I'm saying, Soaking
it up, man, you know what I'm saying, and being
involved with it and elevanting because you know, we lived
in Hollywood. We was only living off a bucket of chicken,
you know, Louisiana. You know what I'm saying. Chicken and
two bags of weed a day. You know what I'm saying.
(17:26):
We would have to call a homeboy. Al Dog recipes
from The Dog Pain Hit two we eleven one eighty
seven not one one on the page in Hollywood from
Willie and Franklin. That's where we used to stay at
because we used to record that Dick Griffy Studio which
is now what was Babyface Studio or something off of Kwanga,
(17:49):
So that was our area and us being from Loan Beach,
we didn't know how to get back to Long Beach
because we was never left Long Beach. So we was
in Hollywood and that's how we got to know everything
would buy the Chronic album. And plus you know, back
then with Doctor Dre, we was going at it with
Nwa and whoever else wanted it, you know what I'm saying.
So and that we all cool. You know what I'm saying.
(18:12):
We just fighting somebody else battle that we did nothing
to do.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, talk to us about that Chronic album. You're
a teenager, yeah, working on that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I was sixteen, six fifty two. Now that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, what's that like? Like you said, soaking it up?
But just really take his back to that moment and
what you were learning and seeing and feeling and hearing.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I mean, you know, just hearing that music that Doctor
Dre and then before.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How much older? Not to cut you off how much
older is Dre than you? So Dre is what ten
fifteen years older than year?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
About ten fifteen years okay, you know what I'm saying.
Snoopers like two years older than me. Okay, you know,
but just learning, going back and forth, being broke, standing
on the phone calling nine one one eight eight seven,
looking at a nigger driving Alexi like, man, I think
I like that Lexis. You know what I mean. And
(19:00):
then dreams come true. We didn't know it was gonna
be who we are, you know what I'm saying. We
were just making music. How did how did Dra find you?
I came under Snoop? You know what I'm saying. They
found Snoopy. Snoop brought all of us together, you know
what I'm saying. And then I was DJing. My name
was DJ Young Jedi. You know I can get down
(19:21):
on the turntables. And then just learning. And then one
G taught me how to use the drum machine. And
I learned from Dre how to take what I have
from the drum machine and lay it down and bring
in bass players and orchestras and add different stuff to
what I'm seeing. If I said I'm going through the wind,
I need that orchestra to go. It's on that part,
(19:43):
you know what I'm saying. Just to make it sound
you know what I'm saying, how you go from Jedi
to dash Uh. My name is del Mar Arnold. So
I hung with a lot of people, my homeboys, from
the Fipers, the Nation of Islam, you know, divide our
EVESI zag. You know what I'm saying. I studied that,
and you know what, just studied a lot of things.
You know what I'm saying, growing up as a kid,
and that turned into dazz. You know what I'm saying,
(20:05):
Destruction ads up to zero. I'm Muslim, Yeah, so that
would I learned that back in the days. You know,
listen to poor righteous teachers, you know. Back in there,
you know we all had the medallion. Yeah, we all
had the African Medallia. We all had we had in fact,
I had the big ones, the little ones, the yellow ones,
all that shit, you know what I'm saying. So just
(20:26):
growing up in that era, you know what I'm saying,
And you know that's what that was. Hip hop was
about learning, you know what I'm saying. And when I
hear different songs, I think about damn what's the mathematics?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, everything doggy style. What was it like helping be
a part of that project?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It was great being a Dodarky Stacks because I was
producing more, I was writing more, just learning more. You know,
they knew our face then you know what I'm saying.
And then, uh, that's when John Singleton came to us
and he wanted us to do poetic justice, and we
did the song Niggas Don't give a Fuck and that
was the first doll Pound song because being correct with Solo,
(21:03):
I was that nigga dash. He was corrupted kingpin. And
then we was getting high. You know what I'm saying
looking at the moon one night. Damn, we call ourselves
the dog Pound cause we lived in the dog I
was staying in our house the dog Pound. And then
all the niggas that we had the doll Pound gang.
(21:23):
But we have a group to dog pounds. So I'm like,
nigga were gonna become the dog Pound. And that next
day when we was hard thinking that shit drunk and
shit looking at the moon and shit in the moon,
moving and shit, John Singleton came up and we did
that song. The next day. It was solidified.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, you've had your hand in a ton of hits.
What was that one when you heard on the radio
the LA radio wave the first time you were like.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Damn, got my mind on my money and my money
on my mind. Jean and Juice, you know what I'm saying.
On hearing your voice, but just being on tangaway and
blunts and just being on the chronic and then what
would you do? We got nominated that was a dis
song a Grammy and we got nominated for a Grammy
for that and me and took our mother's to the Grammys.
(22:08):
It was not date go are you finished? You can
finish that this? You know, we just took our mothers
to the to the Grammys and got the you know,
the boone thus wanted. You know what I'm saying. But
that's when we was few when back then, But we're
best of friends now. Yeah. Shut out to bone thugs,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
A bort of Room soundtrack dog pind for like you
did that Beata, did that beat.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That bitch hard? That ship crazy?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
And then soundtrack Big Pimping Too, Yeah, Big Pimping too.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I heard I want to say, I heard you tell
it or someone tell it. You and Snoop got into
some ship one time, just kind of wrestling around, and
he shot their equipment.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, we got into it. Little cousin in the room
talking ship. I'm talking ship and uh, I think I
put him in the head locks or something like that.
And then uh, he came in there and shot my drummer.
Shot these three eighties we just bought. And then I
(23:07):
went in there and shot the TV up he just bought.
They had one of big ass TVs. And then we
just went there and smoked the blunt afterwards, all the.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Day, did d y'all, didn't y'all create Ain't no fun
right after.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That, Yep, because we went somewhere and they took the
dish out the drum machine and gave it to doctor
Drake and I came back in they had ain't no fun? Then,
Do I get my credit for it? I'm still fighting
for that right now. It's this stuff that only we know.
You know what I'm saying talk to us about.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Ain't no fun though, Yeah, ain't no fun.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The homieshing, you know, boom boom bomb. After that offer
Cameo was sampling Cameo and then they just took that
base like one one, Doctor Drake did what he did,
and Nate Dog coming in and when I mentioned it
was over who it's the piece of Nake Dog. You
know what I'm saying. We've been through a lot, man,
you gonna do You really don't know. Somebody advise you
(24:04):
not to trust that whole silly of me to fall
in love with you with my son, rotate till my
game grows bigger?
Speaker 4 (24:13):
How many bit just wanna fuck this nigga name Snoop Doggy.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I'm all the above. I'm just swift on my toes
to get caught up with you ho hey. And we
performed that every time, and you know, you know what
I'm saying. They'd be like, man, we grew up on
y'all man, you know yeah, and we just be like,
damn that old.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know what I'm saying. But I still feel you know,
you know what I'm saying, my vegetables fruit, you know
what I'm saying, get the sun. I better get y'all
some son too, because that's the part of life.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That's a blessed Your music timeless, Yeah, murder was the case.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Murder was the case we had wrote. That song was
a song called Dave death after visualizing eternity. That was
the first name of that song when we first created.
Then we turned it into murder was the Case, But
murder was the case song was done before that incident
with the so it wasn't like we made that after that,
you know what I'm saying. So I just went so
(25:05):
looked like yeah, yea the time police with you know
what I'm sing. But I had just went over there
the other day. If you look at my Instagram, I
got a clip on it where I went thirty house
to invent just really you know, like that history and
just that part right there, and just like man because
I played the devil part, bring your lifestyle to me.
I make it better would in life beforeever? Yeah, when
(25:29):
I mean that, I make a life better than you
can imagine even dreamed of. So relax your soul, let
me take control. Close your eyes closed, so you know that,
like and they made a movie out of that, you
know what I'm saying. So you know, and you know
we get paid from that to this day, you know
what I'm saying. So I just look at it everything
(25:49):
and I just love it. You know what I'm saying
that My kids they looking like, that's you daddy, right, crazy? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
What's that side of it like? Because music is so
different today than it was back then? But what does
that side like when your kids kind of start understanding
who their dad was and what kind of history.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
When im walking with my daughter, she's like, man, why
these motherfucker's coming up to you?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Who was it? Seven? And my son he got a
chain on? Yeah, you don't know. You ain't tell me.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
You ain't tell me.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So you know our school, and now she knows, you
know what I'm saying. So and now she listening to
the music, you know, because she all West Coast and
she's seven years old.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
When did you run into corrupt? How you in corrupt me?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We were me and corrupt met on death ruck, you
know what I'm saying. He was already on death row
when I came. And then we was upstairs until like
they had a big old room with they had a
dance hall. We used to perform up there and practice
and rehearsal, and he used to come back to them,
and then we just became super tough titan and then
I became security for him, beat niggas up for you know.
(26:52):
So we just running a ready right from Philly, right
from Philly, sharing here Yeah, yeah, Jam and Rosco yep.
So you know, just been with us and then you know,
we've just been a tight knit family, you know what
I'm saying, and just running.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So y'all had fallen out for a little bit. I
heard you blocked them on social media. Talk to us
about this.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Man, I blocked everybody, not even I'm like, I don't
want to see all.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Everybody, but talk to us. How Snoop got you guys
in the same place early in the morning. Y'all didn't
know what you was gonna be there and then jumped
on the bad Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, you know, me and Snoop had a little falling
out for the last fifteen twelve years, you know, cousin things.
You know what I'm saying. It's not even with the music,
personal business, you know what I'm saying. So you know
we got over that, you know what I'm saying. It
had a lot to do with like you know, you
know my uncle, you know his daddy, mama, you know
my mom and shit, when my mom passed, you know,
(27:48):
I ain't had no support and I just felt like
I was alone. You know what I'm saying, and I
rebelled towards all my family. It was fuck them all, uh,
tea other everybody, you know what I'm saying. So and
then I got over there after she died, and you
know what I'm saying, and thought about everything and thinking
about you know, like where your life going. You're here now.
(28:11):
My father he died on my birthday on May twenty fifth,
you know what I'm saying. So everything is a lesson
to me and our learned. And so I'm thinking to myself,
you know, I really don't have no parents or after God,
myself from now and my children and my business and everything.
You know what I'm saying. So I flew back to
LA and some was like call my cousin Papa and
(28:37):
telling you know, I want to you know, hook her
with the dog. And then so we got back together
talking on the phone, and then my uncle called and
we got into it and I said some shit to
hear me, and he got super high and called Snoop
and Snoop called me my mother, Fael joke, my daddy.
You know what I'm saying. And uh to be back
at square one. So I come back again. Some say
(28:59):
hit him, and then we come back, and he said, yeah,
well come over. So I'm sitting there and then you know,
we're talking and stuff, and then corrupt come and he
thought I was somebody else or something. So I just
looked up here like that. You're like, yeah, and then
this snos starts smiling. Then you put the music on,
and then we came with that song Smoke Up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The first the first album on death Row.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Right, they had the first album going back to death Row. Yeah,
so you know, and then that said, I know, we
just had fifteen more songs done in the next three days.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's that feeling like though, Because you guys had magic
in the past, and then ship always had, but it's
still family. And then once you come back, it's like
you never missed a beat.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What's that feeling like though? When you get back on
the same mental path as the homie, you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Can get some money, man. We some of this new
money man, you know what I'm saying. And we own
the music now and it feels good and you know,
all the player, hey, they gonna hate you know what
I'm saying, And uh, we just had a good time.
And then from then on we just told ourselves we
ain't gonna have no hate, know none of that. Everything
is in the past, everything is over with. You know,
we're starting over fresh with attitudes. And we've been great
(30:07):
since then. You know what I'm saying. I haven't had
no ill will towards nobody, and they haven't had no
ill will. That's what We're always working with each other.
We had a conversation this morning, a meeting on the
phone before I got here with everybody in there, talking
about the dog Food thirtieth anniversary coming out and what
we're gonna be doing for that and what Snoop ideas
is and what our ideas is, and you know what
(30:28):
I'm saying, and right now, just a family thing, loving
each other and pushing because we like we got we
all we got.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You ever think I mean considering the space shows in
the streets. She also was running in the industry, you're
in the label you were with, Yeah, to just be
here today.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Most definitely. I look at a lot of homeboys that
they ain't here, right, you know what I'm saying, and
a lot of parents that aren't here, cousins that aren't here,
and it's just I wake up every morning, like you know,
thanking God, like you know, someday, you know, we all
got to get out of here. Man. We don't know
how we gonna get out of here, but we all
have to die one day. And that's a scary feeling
(31:12):
and make you want to get your life together to
prepare for your children, what the future going to be
like for them, you know, like my houses and stuff,
I already put them in my kids now, you know
what I'm saying. And a lot of black folks like
us don't do health insurance and life insurance and shit.
They just die and just fight for they shit, you
(31:35):
know what I'm saying. So that's why a lot of
people be fighting when you die. Nigg they start fighting
for all your shit. As soon as you die, Niggas
breaking in your house and all kind of shit.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And to be your family fighting over your shit too.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you know, you got
to be mentally prepared for this thing and get your
life together, you know what I'm saying. And eat healthy.
You know, I see people that somebody some thirty years
old I've just seen the other day, you know what
I'm saying. And it's people like that, you know what
I'm saying, And I went to Jamaica. We went to
Jamaica with Snoop to do the recarnation. You know what
I'm saying. It was ladies over there, ninety seven years old,
(32:07):
blowing like a stove.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Smoking some wee baby. Look at my skin, you know
what I'm saying. Seven and just eating right. You know
what I'm saying, Make some trick, That's what it is.
Gotta have that fruit. Why are you all this dead
stuff when you can eat stuff that's living.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Eat greens and smoke greens. You know what I'm saying.
I eat vegetables. I'm a lot of vegetable guys. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah, put that hot sauce on it. Man,
didn't turn anything whatever you wanted to turn.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
And in some ways some farms hot sauce is good
for you too.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, Tabasco sauce, not that real hot hollow, not that shit.
Burn your ass up. When did you first meet Park?
We made Park back in like ninety one. We had
met him at a show and then we hooked up
with him and he took us to his house and
Venice Beach. He lived in Venice Beach. He had just
(32:53):
did juice nigga gave us a laser dish. You know
what that is, right? The movie was on a laser dish.
That's all you y'all a little youngster, don't know what
a laser this is. It's a big old dish the
laser you put on there. And he gave us that
movie and we went home and watched that. Mouff we
had a laser dish too, and then we've been friends
from then and back and forth. And then he was
going through his trials and tribulations and then I said,
(33:15):
you know what, shouldn't we gonna do a song. Let's
get Tupac on there. And we had did hard on
the nigga that was on the gang related by that
song was like, yeah, that song was like four years
earlier before. We didn't even use it. But we paid
him thirty thousand. You look at the movie when she
came and gave him that money. That was for that song.
That was the most he ever got paid. Like, so
(33:38):
hear me like, I don't get paid us and they're
gonna make sure to give you some money. Can get
some money over this. That's hard, So I'd be hard too. Yeah,
should never have royalties. He never had a royalty department.
He was just always here, here, this and there and
didn't have a royalty you know what I'm saying that
the count what it was, he was just always giving
you shit, giving you a big glumps of money and shit.
(34:00):
And that's when I found out that I got to
get a business account because I was just buying pounds
and doing what I'm doing, and the tax man came
and put a hold on that money. Kind of disappointed
me when I went to the bank to get that pound,
you know what I mean. And so I had to
go back and readjust myself and learn from the white
folks to say, hey, man, I got to get a
(34:22):
business account. It's a child support. They can't snatch that
money in the business man, you know what I mean,
And learn that. Like I said before, when I tell everybody,
now pay Uncle Sam, because you can make all the
money in the world once you pay him off, once
you get him out of your head, you can make
all the money in the world.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's just the stress of this stress you out knowing
you on. They don't be the other shit.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's why you got to get your business acount, because
you pay your taxes at the end of the year
and write that off, you know what I'm saying, and
do business right, you know what I'm saying. So I
just write it off and everything is a swipe on
the credit card because I got too much cast I'm
gonna forget what I the bought? Is it?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it true? You got a stable of songs from
Park that ain't been released.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I gave him back to his mother. Yea, back then,
how many songs? At least about forty songs? I had
made mcavellian Dllinger an underground album like from the back
of his bootleg, you know what I'm saying. Because deaf
Ro was trying to steal my music and stuff, so
I had to release it some way somehow, you know
what I'm saying. So yeah, and then she sued me
for me and that was mister Phoenis she care up?
(35:25):
But we was all cool. And then I gave it
a real because I'm like, I didn't want them to
steal it, you know what I'm saying, right, And then
that's what I made my deal with Universe for those songs,
and then fifty six and who Kid came and got
that song The realist killer. I helped put that song
together because they got the vocals from me. They came
over there like a bullet player. They didn't know what
(35:48):
to expect up to get those vocals. Yeah, but I
gave it to him. You know what I'm saying that
Fred Righouse.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Pok's work ethic rubbed off on us.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You know what I'm saying. We probably was listening to
one song to day and some shit like that in
half of us. So when he finished with us, we
was doing ten songs a day, and that motherfucker. You
know what I'm saying, I was because I was working
with him. So I'm doing the beat. And we live
next door to each other when he stayed on Wilshire,
so he would wake up in the morning. I'm a
Gemini here and Geminal. We up early in the morning.
(36:17):
He wanted to smoke some wheed. You know, I got
the he smelly coming under the door. So he always
say the first one in the morning, you know, early bird,
get the worm. And so I mean early morning, I'm
making bets and stuff. He hearing it through the wall.
He come over there and get you to I wanna
jump on the first, get him first. You got him.
(36:38):
Everybody else gonna take him.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
He just type a nigga, do the song play back
one time to go into the next one.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, Because I think it was nineteen ninety five, October
should call and said me me at Manti's, you know,
the Mafia restaurant. He didn't see them, and so we
went there. We didn't know what to spect and Tupac
came in the door and they like, you're like you ready, like, yeah, yeah,
(37:05):
I just made five beasts today. Ambitious of a Rider Tour,
America's most wanted just made it. So we went in
there and knocked him down. And that's when the first
song we did was the Ambitious of a Rider. I
kicked it off that the first song is always the
melody in the picture movie. Yeah, set the tone, you
(37:26):
know what I'm saying. And from then on, I dropped
them five and then we was doing I already had
ain't nothing, but I can't stop party.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Why are you looking like that, snoop?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know what I'm saying. And then I had that
beat already to hook everything, and the song was already done.
I just needed Tupac came in there, ladies verse, and
then we looked up and then Snoop walked in the door,
and then it was already like shit, you already right here.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Over You were in an era where if you're making
a collapse, you're making a song with somebody else. They
was in the studio. Talk to us about what that
energy different being. How if they send their sample over
to you, what's the what's the difference between obviously being
in person and catching that energy in that that that
BA vibe.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Throwing ideas from me? You you know what I mean?
Packing forth like the basketball. You know, it's more organic. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and then and then
we're creating together, and then that makes it better instead
of one person going to get brain boggled. You know,
I've seen some shit.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I ain't as you know, as smart as you as
you in the game, but I've seen from just being
around studio. Sometimes people send verses to people and they
make a beat. They make a whole song to the
verses that you already spit. They just just track them in.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's easy. Start off with the snare first. The snare
makes the song. Yeah, that makes the song that set
the tempo, right, that set the tempo. But it also
makes the song, whether the clap is loud or it's
just you know what I mean. And then the kick
and they eight away. You know what I'm saying. It
all depends on how you rap in too, So you know,
(38:55):
I start off with the drums first, you know what
I'm saying, and that sets my tone in the baseline,
then the top part in the music, and then the
rest is history.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
So it ain't hard to build a beat around versus
already dropped.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
When you're good at it, you'll profession Yeah, yeah, we
come in. We professor to go ahead, knocked that thing
out while they're sitting in there, and did ten songs
in the last hour, you know, getting in and getting
out because back then you just pay for studio time.
You had that much. You got, you got, you got
any classics. That's that was done like that. Yep, we
did uh we did uh. Ain't no fun like that. Really,
(39:29):
let's play house. We did scandalous with Tupac when they.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Dog they dropped their versus. You build the beat around it. Yeah,
that's that's hard. That's hard.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You know the little quantitizer they just wrap your verse
man and put the rest to it. Yeah, you know
what I mean, and then you know that's like one
method that we do like that. You know see how.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That's the talent that everybody can't do that. I've seen
everybody can't do that. The quantitize on there.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
It was called uh back then that ship midy. Kendrick
most definitely came back outside, had a hell of a
still got a good bro. I just heard a they
not like us, but with everybody versus whoever did somebody?
So it was Kendrick, it was Tupac, it was a
Snoop versus. Then it was it was ice Cube, no Vassiline,
(40:20):
all on one mix like that. I didn't hear. I
ain't heard that put that in there. Put they not
like us, Tupac, ice Cube, Snoop, They got all they
verses put together like that ship hard. I said, y'all
got that that mother hardlad jaw set it off. Used
to be soft. Now you just went soft first shows
damn with the heck k Yeah yeah, and then they
got Tupac hit him up on that. I'm like, Damn,
(40:42):
that was hard right there. They won't never get a clip. Yeah,
they keep it.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I want to hear it though it's on the internet.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I love him. That's my boy right there. Kendrick made
it happen. You know what I'm saying. From when he
was first starting to now. You know, he made a
song a long time ago that I heard that he
was giving it up for me, like he appreciated my music,
and it's a tribute song to me, you know what
I'm saying. So I got that in my archives. You
know what I'm saying. And just I'm happy for all
West Coast artists and all artists who can accomplish things.
(41:13):
You know what I'm saying. From going from nothing and
nothing and using their word play and you know him
and Corrupt his best friends, and he learned from corrupt.
You know what I'm saying. Ye I ain't know that, Yeah,
that's yeah, that's what you know. He learned from corrupt.
You know word play, you know, Corrupt good with the
words and ship like that. You know, shut out the
top dog. You know what I'm saying, just moving around
(41:33):
and you know, like I say, TD is moving right now.
You know what I'm saying. From Sissy to Kendrick, schoolboy,
all of them. You know what I'm saying. So everybody,
you know what I'm saying, and he the most gagerous
nigga that don't get in no trouble top.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, I'm saying coolst shit. I just he decided to
set the concert last.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Week and he got me some tickets in Atlanta too.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
What was your role in the above the Rim soundtrack producer?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I started it off at first, you know what I'm saying.
I'm always the one to kick it off, doing the
songs and giving them the idea, and they're like, Oh,
that's ship tight, you're gonna do that, and I know
I'm about to ida did pain anything for murder? Was
the case? Had took a picture? I'm like, damn, this
is a hard ass picture for murder? Was the case?
(42:19):
And then they turned them up sucker to an album cover?
You did pain? Not to do pain? That be hard?
Too hard that I think stretching him? Did that be pain? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
What do you think about beef these days as a whole,
because beef used to mean different ship when you guys
is beefing something like the Drake and the Kendrick beat
in general?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Just how everybody get killed? Well, everybody cool? Ain't nobody
get killed? Back then? It didn't have no internet, so
you just like when you seen them, it was just action.
You know what I'm saying. Wasn't no Internet back then.
We were selling the CDs, consignment, tower records and stuff
like that. Door the door, Yeah, do the door in
the head comeback.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
As soon as the first motherfucker found social media and
final he can hate on people and not have to.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Pay for it personally, the whole world. I haters start
doing it shit and you got your favorite CD and
your homework, come over and snatch your motherfucking CD. All hell,
break a little nigga see a CD. I'm getting that now.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Celebrities doing it hating on people because they can throw
a rock and hide they hand. You know what I'm saying,
what social.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Media is done trying to stay off there, you know,
just promote the music and.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
You're get in trouble with you following everything. What is
your thoughts on that? Because obviously you come from the
cold and the cloth, but all the all the streets stuff,
people telling us, all the talking that's going on on
these days on that side of the of the podcast space.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It's not about what you're talking about, how you do it,
and you know, being'tna telling yourself what your woman cheating.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Were under the old lort though. A lot of shit
is foreign to us, so Nick can't speak on it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's the young guys crazy so far into It's like
it's not all young, it's it's it's crazy just to
see what's been.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
When they tell on you like that, I mean they
hate tell all you've been.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
There, Showtime Lakers, the Forum Club, it was definitely talk
to us about that era.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I mean, you know Norm Nixon, you know what I'm saying.
Coop to do you know what I'm saying. A C. Green,
Magic Johnson, just.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
The whole young boy back then, just.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Going up with that. That's when the former is blue.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
And now, did you hoop it all? I played a
little bit? Cut it out? You played football? You know
hood football? You hoop? You said hood hoop? Yeah? Hood?
(44:49):
I getting there and do some block, But I really wouldn't.
I was just I was more into you know, street ship. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. The Homeboys they do and
we just make sure everybody was straight. I was just
a young nigga that hung around a lot of old
niggas that watched old niggas make mistakes, and I made
write mistakes by learning from what not to do, but
(45:09):
not on this side of the street, you know what
I'm saying. And just learn how your instincts your heart,
and it's gonna flutter in you. It's gonna let you know.
You know what I'm saying, But just learning.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Willie McGinnis is in the same areas, y'all right, yeap?
What was he like as an athlete in high school?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
He was? He was a ship in high school, you
know what I'm saying. And uh, from the same neighborhood,
you know, and he did it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
They got a couple of Willy g from two up
from twenty five Street.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah what I'm saying, yeah two one. You know he
got a Super Bowl rings and ship like that. You
know what I'm saying. That's a big accomplish. You know
what I'm saying. Long shit, But you know the world
don't not really know that. You know what I'm saying
to you? Tell him like you know, Willie mcginnons from
Long Beach too, You know what I'm saying, Cameron Diaz
and all other ship. You know what I'm saying it's
(45:57):
a lot of people from Long.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Beach real estate. When did you I mean that's what
really when I really started seeing you kind of talking
the game and dropping gems on Instagram and I kind
of started really paying attention more, like when did that
become a passion? And talk to us a little bit
of what you're willing to share about your real estate
projects and how you came about them.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well, like I be telling all my homeboys, what is
the most important thing of life somewhere to live a
roof over your head? You know what I'm saying. You
have to have a roof over your head. So that's
the number one money making for me, is you got
to pay that every month. They put you in a
mortgage for thirty years. You might not even get to
(46:39):
see thirty years. But whoever living in that house, if
you pass, they got to qualify. That means you fin
to get evicted and they finn move somebody else in
here that got that money to put down on this
house that y'all was living in for years. You know
what I'm saying. So real estate just showed me that, Hey,
(47:00):
that's a constant money move, money maker On a twenty eighth,
the money should be coming in for the first and
after the first is a late fee, you know what
I mean. And if you don't pay your mortgage, they
kicking your ass out the fuck out quick and you
donet lost your money, and you got to get put
into a fixed mortgage. Sometimes people don't have a fixed mortgage.
(47:20):
So you're paying a thousand dollar a day. Next week
it might be four thousand and you know what I'm saying,
Or they even sold it to somebody else, the loan
to somebody else like that. So I learned go down
to the auction tax the linkment sales and buy property
and then you wait a year because if you wait
a year, the person that lost their property got to
(47:44):
come back and pay that money back to you plus
twenty five percent on the dollar. So you're making your
money back, but they don't come back and get the property.
So you got it now. And it's about your building
getting the survey, you know what I'm saying, and going
to get your plans for your house, you know what
I mean, And go get the concrete. See how much
that is. Because in Georgia, if you're the homeowner, you're
(48:07):
the contractor. I don't need a contractor to help me
pay this dude to go do all this. All I
gotta do is go downtown, get to permit seventy five dollars.
I want to put the gate up seventy five dollars.
I want to reconstruct it one hundred and twenty five dollars.
Now I gotta go see how much the yard of
concrete is and go get me some workers that know
how to do that, you know what I'm saying, And
(48:28):
just sit there and watch him. And that's what my cousin,
Big Jeff. Come in there. Shut out the Big Jeff.
He'll like colonel in the military. You know, he built
his house. He got a twenty five bedroom house Georgia.
You know what I'm saying. On two wakings, you know
what I'm saying, And just learning that made me really
like I love construction, pitch butt NECKD. I ain't even
(48:48):
a look at him and look at this construction over
here because I like that. That's gonna get me to
get BUTTNECKD. But you get him my house, the way
it's built up in here. You know, dry wall, you
know what I mean, shaving it down stairs, pov on
the floor. You know what I'm saying pipes and all that.
You know, you learn all that. So that's what my
(49:08):
joy is. Construction. I got a construction contract and license,
and I just build on my own property. I ain't
got to build on nobody else's property because I got
enough property.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Bottle, you bought some nice properties out there. What are
some of the you were telling us? Obviously World covers
heading out there in twenty six excuse me, Fifa, And
you have a property where it's a big house.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
And the dog Pound Muzum resort. Talk to us about
that dogund Museum resort. It's an airbnb. But I'm making
like my own hotel, which I got my own website
that's getting built so you can go direct. So I
have the big house, which is a forty five hundred
square foot house, three stories. I got a club at
the bottom, second floors lounging with a computer room, and
(49:52):
then upstairs it's three bedrooms, one big bedroom with three
King Stars beds put together. And then I got another
bed room that's a jack and jail bedroom. And then
outside I got villas like ten villas, the Tupac Villa,
Snoop Villa, the dog Pound Villa, Warren g, DJ, Quick,
ice Cube, all my favorite rappers. Now, you know stuff
(50:16):
like that where you can go build I mean you
can go rent those villas for Airbnb. But they got
stuff like this here, but just all they pictures in there.
You don't even see the white drywalls, just all pictures
in there. And then I got like comforters and sheets
with their pictures on it. That's made so when you
(50:37):
want to go to airbb, you could order the bed
set and take it home with you. You know what
I'm saying, And just that experience like that, and you
can pay for me to be on a property, because
I'm gonna be on a property anyway. So i'mna be
watching you, but you can play. You know, I interact
with you a couple of times. You know what I'm saying,
Take a couple of pictures with you. You know what
I'm saying. Got a smoke room outside, you know what
(50:57):
I'm saying. All that. You know what I'm saying. Want
to buy a dog, a rock Waller white at it.
You know what I'm saying, Want a chicken? Want a
goat one stop shot? You know what I'm saying. Everything
I said Rock Waller American and German. You know what
I'm saying, Which ones got a bigger one? The Germans
just big. They got a big here. I got one
named Max. He hard haired hat to get a big
(51:18):
boat chained yesterday and my boy go over there. I
needed to go over there to the house and chain
him up because he just broke out ten times. What
do you wear held at least about one hundred and
thirty pounds I got. I got one bout one forty five.
I feed that Nigga roest for chickens and everything. You know.
I go to Sam's Club, get them foak them four
dollar chickens. They got up in there, said to me,
gonna buy some dog food, and all that is my dog.
(51:38):
You can't give them money or something like you want
this treat then, like Nigga was the chicken that roast beef.
You know, we feed our dog because you know down
south in Georgia, they got like Krogers and all the mood,
you know, all the meat that's finna be rotten, and
they sell it to us. So we just go get
a big old pot and throw all that meat up
in there, cook it and give it to the dogs.
You know what I'm saying, and that's how they get
(52:00):
so bulky. My wife cooked with my dogs every day.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I get that, Bill jack carriage, rice, scrambled eggs, eggs, shills, all.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Kinds of shipping there for them dogs. Bro, they eat
it up for.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
Me every day though, in the food the dogs every day.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Ain't that a bitch? And they and then Rockwaller's loyal too.
They want to eat. Construction is the way, the way
of life, you know what I'm saying, Just learning that
and everything. I went and bought a bobcat. I got
an excavator instead of me rinting somebody else that anytime
I want to and dig me a hole like boost.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
I know where the bobcat is, right, Everybody, we built,
not the cat.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I had a house up and sack.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
We built the whole backyard out the pool, the basketball court.
We made a little motherfucking jump track because I had
like a half acre in front, so we cut the
top off a camera, made them jumps in front of
the house.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
And like that was funough man come to life.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Man. I was in my early twenties too. We seen
all that jackass ship, Like boy, we were wow. Anyways,
quick hitters first thing to come to mind. Let us
know an album.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
You can listen to with no skips, Anita Baker, that
Songstress album, Uh, the Chronic album. You know some Luther.
I like some Antonio, Joe Bean, you know, I like jazz.
I like all kind of music my producer, so you know,
I could listen to anything anything. Yeah, who was your
(53:30):
childhood crush? Dan? The Russ was bad and she was bad,
you know, as a youngster, and then you get older
and then you go to Holly Berry when she had
the little short haircut. Lord, and you know what I'm saying.
And uh, just any woman with some ass, you know
what I mean? I feel, you know, growing up like damn,
she's bad. You know, the school teachers she's bad as
(53:50):
well as you know, just learning and growing up, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Can you give me your your top three favorite songs
you've made?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Tupac of course, Snoop Dogg and like Helter Skelter. You
heard it in that rep room rocking them Shine Price. Yeah.
I mean my catalog goes, you know, with scar Face.
I got something with scar Face. I got you know,
I got a song with Biggie that never came out.
That I got it on a on a on a
what's that called it? A track?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
A that fuck?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
That equipment is so old and that that machine yeah
put all so you know it's like that, just a
bunch of just a bunch of music and stuff. And
you know, I gotta remixes with Kenny Lattimore than I did,
and you know that could you never find another love
as good I did that remix back in the days.
(54:45):
You know, a bunch of remix was good back then.
If he was the remix king, it was different back then.
And most definitely Top five producers, Top five producers, Doctor Dre,
DJ Quick, Myself, Easy More, be Hangs, Shockley and the
Bomb Squad back and then I got a bunch of
(55:06):
slewer people because everybody do something different, you know what
I'm saying, like Sir Jinks, and you know other producers
that I learned from, and you know, Quincy Jones like
number one. Then Doctor Dre. You know what I'm saying
as far as that, you know, because he worked with
Frank Sinatra and jazz and all that, and just said,
my mother, you know what I'm saying, the way she
writes songs and put it together like that you know
(55:29):
what I'm saying. And that's where I learned from, you know,
how to play the piano, and that my daughter played
the piano. Her name is Dadsmin de Leon. She like,
she like fuck making records, and I'm finna make keyboards.
You know what I'm saying. When people bought the keyboards,
and then she got sponsors and you know, apps and
stuff like that. So, you know, just different things in life.
(55:49):
You know what I'm saying. To generate, you know, generate well,
passive income.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
You can say, you producing the record, give me build
a dream team of rappers that you will on three rappers,
and you produce.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
The three rappers I produced, Uh ship, I liked it.
I like, uh the Fat Boys, and I had I
mean beatboxing, you know what I'm saying. And who was
that movie they had?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Disorderly Crush Grow Crush Groove.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Was the movie? Yeah? About them? It was about them?
Yeah yeah. And I knew Prins Markey d Yeah and
Koki and you know what I'm saying, the Human beat
Box YEP, Dougie Fresh most definitely, you know what I'm saying.
And run DMC. I take it back to the old school.
You know what I'm saying, and then everybody else be
added on, like Cool Mold D and everybody else like that.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
The East Coast, West Coast time, Where did where did you?
Where did you? What made you want to get back
and start working with them?
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I always work with them. Okay, we worked with Nas,
you know what I'm saying. And we had to the
song with Nas, and then two By came in and
heard it. I'm taking over his part. No, so I
put both versions out. It's called Don't Stop. So you
go on the internet you can find that. And just
you know, we always been cool with the East Coast,
(57:15):
you know what I'm saying. It was just everybody else's problems.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
One artist he never got to work with, but wish
you would have got the opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
We've seen that one time, you know. And Michael Jackson,
you know we've seen him. We smoked him out, really yeah.
You know he was at the award show. He's sticking
the Hey, y'all, dog, you want to hit them? You know,
our trailer was right next to his thing and wherever
his people was, and we was just that was back
when we was young. We were smoking zig zaggs. Then
(57:46):
he was blowing it out. Ye. And then Don Kneius
walked back there, told, hey, y'all got the chill eye.
I was got a soul training thing, you know, soul
trading back then Big Dome rest in peace. Yeah, And
I've been through. We went through the history of all
the music business. You know what I'm saying, because back
then we was hanging with like the Ohio players, sugar
(58:09):
Foot and all them, George Clinton and Boosty Collins and
all that. And that's what we was hanging with when
we was coming up in the rap game. That's what
we admire.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
You know what I'm saying, what's this journey? I mean,
you're fifty, you made fifty fifty two. Life is good,
family business, spiritually line. But what's when you look back
at the journey? Because I think as athletes, while we're
in it and knows what's next, you had the kind
of time to step away find some other passions. But
when you look back and your name in some legendary
times and names like, what is this journey meant to you?
Speaker 1 (58:40):
What is the journey meant to me? Elevation, just being grateful,
just learning more. You know what I'm saying. I'm not
done learning. I could learn from a two year old.
You know what I'm saying. It's just about you taking
heed to what needs to be done and to learn
from and and share. Be humble. You know what I'm saying.
Is it your own reflection? Is your reflection? Is you
(59:03):
what's gonna come back to you? You be a fucked
up person. You might hit your toe on a mother
fucking cheer or something. Now I gotta go back, put
my clothes off, get back in the bed, get back
up again, and restart myself. That's how I do it.
If I get up and hit my toe and said
some I'm gonna be a fucked up day to day.
Let me get back in the Yeah, let me reverse
(59:23):
back and get back in the bed. Yeah, you know,
hit my toe like fucks. So you know it's about regrouping,
you know what I'm saying, and try again. But just
being humble with you. You know what I'm saying, because everything
come back to you. You know what I'm saying. What's
your guilty pleasure? Not knowing enough? So I need to
know more. I got my reader. Yeah, I read a lot,
and I always tell my own boy. If you know
(59:43):
what you got, you ain't got much, So keep acquiring
things and then you go back and see, oh yeah
I got this, I got that. It's like going back
in your cloth you're finding three four hundred dollars in
your pocket, you know what I'm saying, Or finding that
bag of weed that you say you lost ten months ago. Fat.
(01:00:06):
You know, if you know what you got, then you
ain't got much.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
If you can see one guest on our show, who
would it be? But you have to help us get
your answer on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Got Michael Jordan on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah we trying, he said, And now he said he was,
but we ain't got him.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
He caught me, He's gonna do. He started talking. Now
as I'm saying, finna get some money. Ain't nobody heard
him talk. They just heard him talking ship to motherfuckers.
All with the old ass gate that you got on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It's good that the young, the young guys get to
hear Mike talk about the basketball landscape today.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
And most definitely you know what I'm saying. You know,
just how did you know the shoes? And you know what
I'm saying, And how did you accumulate that for so
years that you own? You know what I'm saying all that.
You know what I'm saying. It's just a great thing
to hear him talk because you can learn a lot
of game because he don't do a lot of talking.
He all action.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
He was definitely all well dads, man, we appreciate you,
and I appreciate y'all too. Man sometime with us, but
it's really your contribution to the to the to the space,
to our child.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I'll be watching my man right here. Be active as man.
You know what I'm saying. In all the neighborhoods and
all the police business, making sure they doing the right thing.
You know what I'm saying, talking ship to them in
the neighborhood, Floyd, big up for all that all you do, man,
You know what I'm saying, keep our people going in
and formed because you ain't to be fucked with. They
finn pull in a wool or you're most forging talk
(01:01:29):
to you know what I mean. That's where you're learning from.
You learned from, you appreciate you. That's a rap man, Dads.
Dad's all smoke, baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You can catch on all the Spokes productions YouTube and
the Draft Kings Network see y'all next week.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Mm hmm
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