September 9, 2021 • 52 mins
Legendary rapper Jadakiss joins the guys on episode 103 of ALL THE SMOKE. Jadakiss opens up about his music career, his special bond with Biggie, leaving P Diddy's Bad Boy Records & the epic VERZUZ battle with Dipset. Plus, he shares the truth behind his beef with 50 Cent.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome back,
(00:21):
coming to you from New York, another edition All the Smoke.
Jack was good, man, Let's continue to make this thing
blow like we've been doing. Let's not right now, Let's
keep it at we've been rolling. Man. We got one
of my favorites, sumone to me who never got the
respect and appreciation. I think a lot of us think
he deserved a man. Welcome to the show, jad Kiss.
(00:45):
Appreciate you man. Long time it seemed like I should
have been up there. So Yonkers. For those who new
New York, similar energy, completely different. Talk to us about
your upbringing and uh where you're from. Bunting and raised
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yank Is, New York about fifteen twenty minutes with traffic
from the city. We always had a chip, you know,
it's like a chip on our shoulder because they always um,
you listened to the Ready and the rest in peace,
the Heavy d He came out of Mount Vernon and
he was like the first big thing out of Westchester.
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That's our area. Uh, as far as you know, having
entertainment success and then um, growing up we listened to
the radio, it would always shot out the five Barrels
and then skip us and shot out Mount Vernon, you
know what I mean. And then New Rochelle Have the
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brand New Being came out, and Grand Pooba and brand
new By and then came out. So we're like, why
didn't that we shot out Yank's like, we got some
talent here, you mean. So then fast forward Mary m
hm X ourselves. He was able to put our demographic
on the map and then let people see that Yaks
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is really like a gumbo of the five Barrows. That's
a little bit of Brooklyn feel to it, a little
bit of the Bronx, a little bit of all a
little bit of clean, a little bit Long Islands. That man,
it's like a gumball of Walt drive around you. You
see some projects, you see some houses, you see it
looks crazy, but um for the most part is it's
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like anywhere else, just ten twenty minutes from the city
that it took us to put it out there. Every day. Blive,
you've been there. I've been to yall cause I sure have.
I pulled up. You gotta get Maddie be over there.
Talk about early life and having hit the streets that
we have to earn money. We all know how to go,
but to walk with us to your teen nigers. I
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was fortunate to have both parents. My family is like
a split. I mean, like my dad's side is they
all have college degrees. My mom's side is like more
like the beas least from from schools. With duc they
all it's like the criminal side. So I was able
to have a balance to text the buffalo, you know
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what I mean. You know, anything I ever did in
the street, I didn't really have to do it. You know,
everybody got that story. Oh I came home, it was
nothing in the fridge and salute to those that had
to do that. I pretty much was I and just
a little mischievous on the upcoming and wanted to earn
some of my own money. I mean, so I sold
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a few things that would in retail. About it retail, hotail?
Where did you discover rapping? I discovered it maybe like
eight nine years old, out of one of my older
j's in the hood, Steve tune Uh. He lived his parents.
His family lived like one flight up from my grandma's crib,
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So I was always over my grandmother's crib. And then
he just grabbed me to his crib one day, started
playing some breakbeats, gave me the mike and like, I'm DJ,
and you're wrapping, you know, I mean, so I'll just
be rapping. And I think I really started getting good
at it. I snapping on my friends, you know, snapping
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on people watching the Jeffersons, looking George, chopping on Mr
Bentley and him and I I guess something just clicked
in there then. I was always loved music like from
sugar Hill Gang. I think when I graduated Kenny Gardener
PreK Kenney Garden going in the first grade, one of
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them I'm Moving Up gift was the sugar Hill vinyl
in a little radio. So I think my mom even
knew datter. You know. I was like to hip bap
love and just kept me in the field. When did
us chic and styles p come into your life? Chic
was always in my life, Like I just told you,
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I used to wrap with my old g Steve tune
Um that lived one flight up from my grandmother's she's
grandmother and one building over from that. So and like coincidentally,
when his mom would drive him off my mama, we
would always see each other when we was, you know,
in the presence of our grandma, and then I started him.
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I think I brought him upstairs one day like yo,
look this is what we're doing. It's something clicked in
him and he started rapping. Another coincidence, his mom had
moved across town and my mom moved, so we moved
to the scene. We end up living one corner away
from each other. Our grandma's that moved from that demographic
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across town to three or five four, which became d
block car washing, and they moved in the same building now,
so then here she lived on the first floor of
my grandmother. So it was meant for us to just
be be around and then them. We was experimenting with
local DJs in in y oh. Then I think we
got to Junior Hio High School, we met up with
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p and he just got down with us, you know,
wrapping in the launch room, banging on the table, was
wrapping in between periods. We just started clicking up stabs
out a job at odd Jobs. We did a heist
and stole about two thousand cassette tapes, printing them up.
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He was selling them in school for like fifteen dollars
and they were selling them. That was like our first
bomb Squad tape. That was the name of us back
then that we had out there, but it was ringing
in y oh. And then after that, you know, we
just kept evolved. So you guys former group originally called
the Warlocks. A freestyle battle in Florida attracted rough Riders.
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Um tell us how inspired? Uh? Inspirational? Mary J. What's
see you personally? But really I need to meet up
about what we're talking about. It. First we met rest
in Piece of DMX ex Borel rough Riders to us. Yeah,
that's he bought him to our blocked in my little deal.
Yeah he boy didn't watch straight to the block popped out. Yeah,
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shout out to the O G S. Yeah, he bought
explot being wide to the block to meet us and
just made us rhyme and told him these they're going
with me. And that's how that happened. And then, like
I told you before, when we started getting better, after
we were selling the tapes in high school for fifteen dollars.
Once we started, you know, we was hustling and then
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making money to go to the studio to start, you know,
trying to prepare demo. Um, what's crazy about that is
Hove was making reasonable doubt in the next room as
we was making our locks demo. Hole was making reasonable
doubt in the next room. Did y'all know him before,
I mean we met him. We would see him in
the pool hall in the pool area walking by Um
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jazz Oh. We knew jazz Oh he had he had
production on our demo, so he kind of like introduced
us the whole He was able to meet promo. So
um yeah, once once we did record the demo and
we felt it was good enough. One of our right
hand buddies and the entouragers, Mary's first cousin, my mayor
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Jamarco j Bob, So it was just a pass off.
We got to take the Bob. He gave it to Mary.
They happened to be on tour with Joe to see Mary,
Joe to see Puff. I think Junior Mafia bone thugs
whoever they said they popped in on on the tour bus.
Puff is loving it. They set up with me and
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m J called yo, guys, I love y'all know strange
and I don't want nothing off. He wants to meet
child and then resisted. Loving Jake's I love I need
to meet up. Bro. I love Mary Jake. You made it.
It's like you already know. And that's how that's how
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much love she gives them. You know, it's dope. I
had to explain. When I played for the Clippers, she
used to come to some games and I remember I
was sitting in the front row before the game tie
my shoe and someone sits down next to me. I
don't even know, and I'm doing my ship. I look over.
I was like, oh my god, like that right. She's like, Hi,
it is that man honored the meat. Anyway, back to
the story, what was it like get the first regort deal?
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What that feeling was like? Yeah, my first record deal
was a feeling like no other because coming from is
a is a discouraging place sometimes like a dog cloud
we call it. That stays there permanent, and nobody really
believes in. Nobody really thinks you're gonna make it. That's
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why they say when you when you when you're starting
off of business or you're doing something, if you can
get earn your love from where you at first, the
rest of the world would be easy. And once we
felt like that about Yanker so once we got them
to kind of dig us, it wasn't that hard. We
were sitting around right rhymes that we would just want
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Biggie to hear like me and styles and loops like yo,
right this round. We haven't meet Biggie, I want to
say this rhyme to him. So then getting on Bad Boy,
it was like the best thing in the world that happened.
And once we was able to get down with big
you know something that was like a dream come true
to us. We felt like we was on the unstoppable team.
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But we were still young, still went behind the ears
and still didn't understanding business. And the more that we
learned the business and learned about them, you know, the
fokery is when you know we made that transition. But
being on Bad Boy, it was one of the best
times in our life. We we had some of the
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best times. We learned some jewels that we're still able
to apply to this day. To take care of our family.
Puff is a special individual that when he when he
got love for you to help you out, show you something.
My brother, my brother, I've been with loaning a lot. Lady.
I used to send a lot of stories about just
be highly you. We used to send a lot of
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stories about bad Boy back in the day when you
are first starting up skilled. It's crazy. It's like it
had to be like going to one of the best
colleges at the best time in the world, like the parties.
This just the rollout was like Noah, with the money
that I was being spent and then the golden that
I called it is was just crazy. You touched on
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obviously aspiring to get your music too Big. You get
a chance to meet Big and you and him built
a special relationship. Talked to us about your relationship with
Bit like I tell some of the artists that I
talked to today to asked me, you know, things about
the game. Being able to sit there with Big it
was priceless, you know what I mean. Being able to
be in the studio sessions, Being able to be on
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Life after Death, which only has a few futures a
few features, is priceless. Um. He took care, took care
of Junior Mafia, He took care a lot of people.
He was very funny, dude. He was very His work
ethic was crazy, His energy was beautiful. He's just a
good guy, like a good you know, a good guy
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that that really shook the game up while he was here,
and then after his untimely demise, like um, when that
happened to him, that was our first time in l A.
So that was lituis like, that was the first time.
That's our first time. Then we end up party. He
was actually young and he was a little mad that night.
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He came over to him on you know that last
picture that you've seen with the King that had in
that in the party in l A. He's like, yo,
if y'all gotta shake that ship off whatever y'all whatever
I got with puff and handled it back home. It
goes zip. Gave us two dom P's say, yo, it's
my single release man and ship to get your energy right.
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We we am man, Let's have some fun. So we
went over there and then that was the last time
we talked to him, so you know, that was crazy,
and then we just wanted to use to turn the
negative to a positive and just represent his legacy forever.
That's what we still do. What was it like, Obviously,
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I'm a West Coast guy, California guy, and you know,
growing up in the era where there was so much
back and forth between East and West you become a
bad boy label made with big when that East and
West Coast ship was going on, where was your head?
That wasn't really like the media trying to make it see,
it wasn't really always this, this, this, or what it did?
The media make that more than what it was. I
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think it's a little bit of everything. Good thing. Social
media wasn't yet worse, but I think I think the
media definitely hyped it up. I think some of the
higher powers that we don't even know about were involved
with that. I think that was just a sad, something
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sad that happened at the right time, which happened to
be the wrong time. It's big love. We used to act,
he spoke, he worshiped there and there the ground pipe
used to love Pock used to give him Jews and
he would tell us stories for days about so I
knew for a fact that he loved them, genuinely loved them.
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So when all that stuff happened, it was a little
bit crazy to us, and we was we missed it,
and like you know, we came a little bit after that.
We started blossoming after that because then you know, Park
never he didn't know about us like that in the Outlaws,
and they never said anything about the Locks because we
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came after that. But just to be there and see that,
I think I might have been with Big out a
total video Missing You remix the first time he heard
hit him up though. When he got somebody passed it
to him and put it in. I think I was
damn when he first laid airs on that. And he
wasn't even really mad. He was more mad at this
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stuff they were saying about season Kim opposed to the
to the song itself, it didn't it didn't ruffle his facts.
He was more upset about what they were saying about
this little man and the Queen Bee. That's how That's
how much he was for the team. Yeah, yeah, even
worried about him. Yeah, you release your solo album with
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with Locks of money power and respect. What was that like? Finding, uh,
finally being on money power respect. It was beautiful just
to have an album out there on bad Boy Records,
heavy heavy promotion. Yeah. How good he's able to have
them Max featuring on their little Kim on the Hook.
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How was like a big look for three boys from
Yankis you know what I mean? It was very grateful.
He was able to go on tour, the No Way
Out Tour. It's one of the best tours I've ever
been on in my life. Just the whole experience was priceless.
Over you said you learned a lot, but you felt
it was time to to to leave bad Boy. What
was that experience like, were you leaving into another situation?
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You were just we got to get up out of this,
what's find out what's next? It was crazy about that
whole thing is like I told you, X bored us
two Rough Riders. He was the big dog. We was
fortunate to get the record deal first. You know what
I mean. If we didn't have real love, that could
have went all wrong because he could have been like
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I put these on. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
But he wasn't. We We knew it was family style.
We threw him on money Power Respected single, which is
a video when the first video that we have a
shot in yonkers Um after that surely Can't Get at
Me Dog, which let him they get his his death
Jam deal and let Rough Riders get a label. So
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while we caught the first deal on bad Boy, Rough
Riders was always our manage it. So once the ball
started rolling and now they got the label. We couldn't
wait to go back over there because that was like
just going back home. So then with the Turmoilo and
bad Boy, we're like, we gotta try to get back
to the crib and you know, with the powers of
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the Lord and power excuse me and you know people,
we made it back. How did puff hounding all that? Though?
I mean it was a little weak and me being
holder down and understanding, you know, and being a businessman.
We were a little disgrunt through. We were we was
a little radical, but we knew only power we had
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with the streets, right, We couldn't go into a litigation.
War is money is like people from Schaft trained moment
he tried to go to the court. Yeah, he wasn't
gonna win that. So we we we definitely had at
me and it sat down and say, Yo, this could
go right or left, and if it goes the wrong way,
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we can be shelved. We could never put the album
out again. We could It's a is a side to
this that can be horrible, horrible for us, and we
just rolled the dice and you know what I mean,
Fortunately it worked out years later. What's that relationship like
with you and him personally. He just called in over
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the day. That's that's big bro Um. I'm glad now
that we were able to work it out and we
actually got tighter off that opposed to it being a
you know, yeah, supposedly going wrong, we actually got tighter.
We go to his crib and we go to you
still do toys and shows with him, hang out with
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him as the whole room. Still cool, everybody still cool,
Still cool. Talk to us about your relationship with X dog.
The dog was just different, man, The dog was different.
The dog had come through and get out and go
to the liquor storm and sit there and miss an
old movie set or something. Just off the love like
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his love. Whoever met the dog, if you ever a
lot of chance to meet him, you felt like you
know him the same like marry him and Mary got
a similar possana after you meet him, like you you
felt like you know. And that's just how the dog was.
He was. He didn't care about money, he didn't care
about fame. He just cared about genuine love. Oh men, yeah,
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I've said it. Yesterday we had Joe on the show
I Gotta I was a big time DMX fan, I
gotta tattoo or something. He said, if my life ain't long,
I thank all my last breaths of my life ain't wrong.
And I was able to meet him two weeks before
he died at Ice Box in Atlanta. He didn't get
a chance when you tell him what I wanted to say,
but you know what I'm I was. I was starstruck
when I saw him, you know what I'm saying. But
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I got a chance to meet him and just feel
the energy. Man, He's definitely a legend. Gonna be missed. Man,
Rest in peace. What was the turning point for you
after experience group success with folks who came up with
what made the decision to to jump to solo and
give that a shot? Was this decision all y'all made
it one time to do solo projects? Are because she
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she didn't never really planning on Doom, just like the
people forced him and like you gotta do this, and
he's like all right, you know me, but me, I
think they had it in the works early. Um once
rough Friday's got the label, when we we had got
off bat Boy and then we was on and the
Scope Records. I think D and why Steve Stout in
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them always added in the plan. Uh, George J. D.
Kiss soolo Like then we were we used to be
extra cool. You know we still we don't. We signed
that Rock Nation now as management, but like then we
was double law in the rock was really controlling everything.
And I used to be messing with Dane, like, yo,
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let me get a solo deal over it. He used
to be like, yo, right, whenever you're ready, just come
by and be and it would be like stop saying
that back a family, Yeah, talk to us about I mean,
it's interesting. I mean it's in it's in the news
right now. The unfortunate situation with Damon Jay is kind
of translated to this and Day wants to sell this.
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But what back then? What was that? Did it? Dame
one did? He really was the energy like back then.
I don't really like to see none of that. I mean,
like you know what I mean. I didn't ship sweaters
or come up with them from the clubhouse, but I did.
I wasn't around when they were shuper tighten, when everything
was loving, dynamic doing mean when yeah, so you know
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that's just something I like to stay away from. But
I was actual, Yeah, the trio, Big in the Hole,
you know what I mean. But you know that's a
that's a story that with nobody or whatever. No, unless
you sit down with all of them, you know what
I mean. And when when the media likes to give
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you that side of it, my best thing is to
stay out of them, because you know, I got love
between respect that the debut Alnam Kissed the Game Goodbye.
Remember that was my second year in college. Went hard.
What was it like? I mean, you came out the
gates with you know, just a you know, strong producers,
you know, features from ex eve Snoop Nas, work with Swiss.
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Like I told you, that was the golden that Blowing
Back did just I think that that album we made
it we recorded in the South Beach. I think it
was in one of al Capone's old cribs. The energy
was right, Oh yeah, We're down there for a few
months recording, just living, blowing money. Then I got a
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nice percentage of the album done, came back to New
York for maybe a week, then we went to l A.
I finished it up in l A. Had crazy promotion.
The promotion was out of this world for that album.
It was just a golden that they knew Jimmy wasn't
telling me no, D and why I wasn't telling me no?
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It was just yes davery every budget was getting approved.
A lot of it was It's like they was doing
P P P loans back then. Everything was everything was
greenly two thousand four years, second album, Kiss, Kiss the
Death reached his number one on the Billboard Top two Hunter,
what was it like being number one? That felt great?
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That's like my mom. Yeah, was heavy, you know back then,
and I think it was a fourth quarter release, went
back then only the fourth you know, you had to
got to be a juggernaut to release in the fourth quarter.
So I was really thankful what I was really too
in my horn and I really felt like I made
my entrance into the game, even though I still never
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got that just due like like mat I said, like
the solidification that I'm supposed to have. But I think
that Kissing that album um and got nominated for a
Grammy with why it was just that was very susced.
That was like my baby, that's like my baby out
of my Why was the game changing? You talk to
us about why how that came together working with Anthony
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Hamilton's I think the song Why I was in my
brain maybe nine to six months before I ever even
thought about making it. The song just some question. I
just used to always have wild questions, and like, what
do I'm making a song called Why? I wondered people
want to know the same questions that keep calling in
my brain? Then, um, something else people don't know? Having
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produced one from my d I don't need that sounds
like fall left from having production. But he has sent
me a bat pack and I got that. I'm like, yo,
I think this is the track pressing piece ice Pick
from like Pick. I think this is the tract for Why.
You're like, yeah, just try it and then you know.
I mean I laid them. I had to start thinking
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to some questions that the whole world would. I would
think we have some similarities and want to know. Got
Anthony Hamilton on the hook. The rest was history in
the In the song, you have a line about George
Bush playing the Nana not eleven attacks. How did you
handle the controversy that they came with a real question
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that a lot of people wanted to know, but you
have the encourage to put it on there. We sat
down and thought about that carefully and we're like, yo,
maybe it won't reach them, but if it does, that
means yeah. So once we started getting ladders and emails
from the White House, and Bill o'rilly made it a
whole segmental like yo, he did it. Just be careful.
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Now you gotta ride clean and we gotta movie. He
reached the radar. You know it was good though you've
been that bad boy rough riders. What made you sign
with Jason Labor Rocket for the records? We're managed by
rock Nation and yeah, it just managed. He was also
the president of the Depth Chym for a while when
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I first went over there. That's what got me over there. Action.
Oh it was a good guy that that keeps it
under the stayed low with it. But as hard as
huge here helping anybody out, I mean, at least for
the at least for the most part on my part,
never had to really ask him for nothing serious. But
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I always like an ace and old I ever really
needed something life changing, you know what I mean. He
does stuff and he looks for no accolades. He not
trying to set up the press confidence just talk about
the things that he does. And I think it's hard
to find individuals like everybody wants to credit for helping
somebody or everybody want to look what I did over
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all that type of time, And I just think that's
special to come from the ground, I mean from the
b from the dirt and being able to rub shoulders
with the people. He's able to the rooms, he's able
to get in now and not change as a as
a beautiful thing. Fourth album, top five that are alive.
You're able to release that of the d block records,
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what was it like, We're not gonna release something your ship.
I think the ultimate goal at the end of the
day is to have some ownership, you know, to work
for yourself. You know y'all relate to that, you know,
with the owners and being players. I'm always for the players.
I'm always for the artists. Is a lot of times
these labels, these executives, these bigger entities, they make more
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of up off us than we do. So it's cool
when somebody gives you an opportunity to, you know, change
your life financially. But I thought, while you want to
be born the ownership side than just the work all,
you want to become a partner. So you know, we
was able to work things out with rough Riders, and
that's a vision that we always had and the work
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for ourselves, and that's what it is. You've had an
opportunity to work with some of the best in the game.
You know what has it been like collapsing with some
of the young bright minds and you know now that
you're an o G looking back on it, well respected
in the game. Of course. I think collaborations and working
with all the artists is something that's missing in the
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music industry right now. And that that we came up
off that you love hearing them symphonies in the house
and different ones, you know what I mean, from the
symphony with mall malling them from the scenario, any any
of them, type of songs of self destruction with everybody. Yeah,
those were those were the joints back then. Then. I
guess once the the finances changing, dudes start getting money,
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they started getting a little selfish and and um it
hurts the culture pos that you just thinking, yo, we
just hot over here. We don't need to work with that.
The fans went their head different varieties and different you
know what I mean, different things together and it makes
some beautiful art. Music is all at the end of
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the day, so you need to do it, but you
would come from your heart. For one of my bucket
lists collapses to do a song with Stevie Wonder and
Andre three three Stacks got the same birthday, so I'm
taking a song that would be crazy called birthday or something,
you know, something crazy Stevie sing, that's that's my bucket list.
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Stacks agreed to do it. Now we just got to
reach out to Stevie. Yeah, that's gonna be crazy, it's
gonna be dope. Sixteen you come back together after a
sixteen year hiatus with the Locks and come out with
our Filthy America. It's beautiful. What was it like reunite
with your people? Although I'm sure you gotta stay close,
but yeah, I mean it's crazy because once we started
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doing solo stuff, We're like, yo, he's gonna do a
solo album each or something. We're gonna get right back
to it. That turned into sixteen years later. You just
start doing toys, you start having kids, you start life
doing it, and then we always have the group meeting
and board met and you know we're gonna do it
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and do it, never do it. When we dropped the
Filthy America just like we we happen to be in
a studio a lot at a certain time, and we're
just like we gotta drop some my ep so. But
we never we was always together all the time. We
always on the studio, We always see each other a
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few times a week. You never, you know what I mean.
We were really big on keeping the bond tight as
you want, separators from every other group. No social media
slipp it. No body's Twitter got hacked. No, I'm never
gonna come on a platform like this and throw my
brothers under the bus or anything remotely close to that.
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So that's what That's one thing I can say about y'all,
Like minimal beasts, if if one or two, but just
find one, can't find one other. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
you know what to my minimal beasts outside of the lot.
Even with y'all, y'all one group that even though y'all
took highest highest, y'all always stayed firm, stay supporting each
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other and stayed together. And that's that's where a lot
of people should should respect in the game, because you know,
like you said, when money come, you know, you look
at the hot boys. You know what I'm saying, different
things happen when they separate. You know a lot lot
of stuff can happen when money is involved. You know
what I'm saying, And that y'all, how y'all stayed together
with all your different personality, that says a lot about
how your brotherhood. When we first signed the first deal,
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we we made an oath that we would let no
music industry or none of that type of stuff intertwine
and where we already building, keep it tight and keep
your family staff Friday on the Elm Street. Uh to me,
Fabris right there with you. As far as not getting
the just do in the credit that y'all put in, Man,
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thatd y'all put into this brother spins off. How did that?
How did that idea come about? Um? We was, Yeah,
that's his nickname. He was doing the um he was.
He was doing these Friday night mixtape joints with Clue,
Like these freestyles he was dropping every Friday night. It
was super dope. I'm like, yo, I got to get
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in on that, but I wanted to find my own thing.
So I call Envy and say, yo, I'm gonna drop
some ships on Friday morning. You know what I'm saying,
then it became like everybody be waiting on Friday morning
and then be waiting Friday night. So we had the
city and a little frenzy. Um, we have been to
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being an officers somewhere, like y'all got this idea, let's
do this, Freddie and Jason Joy like, yeah, let's go
to label, let's get some money off, and you know,
let's do some merger to do a little toy. Let's
make it, make it an event. And we did it.
It was cool. It was cool too. I got you know,
I got real tighter. Me and him got close off
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that just going through some life issues besides doing the music,
you know what I mean, that's my little bro. We're
gonna do another one too. You know that. It was dope.
What's it like working with someone like that? Though? We
just you know, it's it's it's not your group, it's
not your solo, it's you know, one of the homies.
But you guys going in and knock an album out
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together to put each other, you definitely gotta be able
to understand them. You definitely gotta be able to vibe.
You definitely have to be like minded to a certain extent.
These deep, freshest in the game. Yeah, he coming and
we're going to do He comes to the studio like
we're going on stage. Yeah he got No. That's the
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only thing I hated doing the album was going shopping
with him. You can't stop every day, need you do, dude,
We gotta do this every day. He gotta go every
day and find some incredible ship. So other than that,
it was beautiful. But you gotta be able to be
around somebody to work with. We did something in my studio,
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We did something. His student flew to Miami and did
some songs. But if you can't be around, to man,
you you ain't gonna be able to create in this game.
You run across beef. Jack Jack spoke that, you know,
guy's never had no internal beef. But you were part
of a song with j'all rule New York, uh, and
that caused us song. What a song he had to
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start with? John got you into it and it turned
into a little bit for y'all. What talked to us
about that was that nineties ish was that this old
little thing was that, like man, I think it was
a little bit of all of I think Fifth was
using his marketing because I don't really think I joined
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forces with jobs. Of course we know about John and
Irvan cash Money Clicking murder in We started out together, damn.
So we have a relationship. And I think fifth Is
used that too as a marketing too to do what
he was doing at the time. Because when I heard
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this song, it was nothing. The song was a good song.
It was Repy's in New York. Um Cracks was then
on being featured on it also, so I thought it
was just a good look for New York that I
think Fifth Is. I didn't even care. It wasn't like,
you know, I didn't have to ask his permission to
do the song. But I didn't think it was going
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rough for his feathers like that even But like I said,
he's a smart businessman and a hell of a marketer,
so he was able to to what he did with
y'all went back and forth with a couple of different
songs though. Was it was it competitive nature is? It
was it awesome for me for me, for me the
Beanie when I went out, and that one was more
(36:32):
personal for me because it felt like it felt I
felt tighter. I didn't I didn't know Fifth when he
said whatever he said, but it was a little bit.
It seemed a little weird because before that he got
a song where he's saying all of the hard and
was to come from Yankeys, So it's like, what he
he ain't contradicting yourself a little bit. So I knew
(36:54):
from that. We knew that it wasn't really like SERI
it was. It wasn't that internal because we knew that
he was he was checking for us favor, saying that
one of his songs like you guys later performed uh
at This is fifty festival and oh nine obviously that
this the ship has was all you know, dream it um?
(37:15):
What was that like? Though? Actually working with them after
it was cool. It was cool. Like I said, it
wasn't a we knew once and once we ever sat
down and talked like men, and I handed out it
was gonna be a short brief thing because it wasn't
no internal There was no nucleus there. It wasn't like
something we ain't We ain't from the same hood, We
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don't know the same you know, we know some of
the same people, but it wasn't like one of them,
oh grudge that needed to be be solved. I mean
like him and jobs whatever they had, they still that's
a different that's an old different thing. And this was
nothing even mobly close to that. The beef with the rap,
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beef with the basic thing of mine enjoyed because nobody
got hurt, but just the power and the lyrics it
was it was real, Bro. You know what I'm saying,
Like the best of the events going ball, foot ball.
You know what I'm saying. I I can't lie, Bro,
I enjoyed that. I'm glad that, you know, nobody got
hurt in it. But the song for songs like he
was waiting for the reply, he was waiting for those replies, bro,
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and that hip hop needed that at the time. I
can't lie. Hip hop needed that at the time, Bro,
Everybody needed it. You see. That's that's another thing like
now it's not much of that because it will get
overpowered by trolling, tweets and Instagram comedic videos. Opposed to
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back then, you just had to go to the studio
and load up and then they send the shot. You
send the shot. But now it's so much other things
to overpower the music. You can just do content and
and grass the people like that. So it took away
from that part of the competitive nature for the music,
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because every since cool Mo dn LLLF, since you can
go back, there's always been a light feud in the
airplop that keeps the coach of it. Everybody can get
involved with nobody getting hurt or no, you know what
I mean. The studio, it'll it'll go outside and that's
bad for the coach. Yeah. Uh, we spoke before the show,
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but you've got a big versus coming up at the garden.
I wish we can be there because I know it's
gonna be in I ain't saying styles. Peter is hyping
a long time pee Pee pee, and Jimmy is on
they they're doing the twenty four hour seven, a great
rendition of it they're doing and they're selling this thing
(39:46):
at the top of the line. Here shout out Jimmy.
That shout o Jimmy. I talked to Jimmy and Path yesterday,
but talk about how that came about and and the
fact that you guys are gonna be in Madison Square
Garden with a live audience going back and forth with
your brother. Well, first things first, we're going on Toll
in September, Locks and Dips at so I think that's
what that's the that's what people don't know. We um
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we hatta. We had a we had a pre show
of the tour July three in Norfolk, Virginia. It was great,
it was sold out, it was great. And then I
think the talk started happened. I think Tim and Swiss
seen that and they're like, Yo, this would be good
for Versus. No, only a couple of groups winning. It
was R and B group. So for New York. He
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was able to get the Garden just a big thing.
And then that's gonna help the tour because we're going
on tour the next few weeks right after Versus. So
it's so it's all. It's all good for the culture.
It's good for hip hop, locks and dips. That has
always been New York groups on the on the top
level of rap. So you go, we gotta come to Atlanta. Definitely. Yeah,
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I got to pull up to that. Definitely. How do
you feel about the Versus matter? You had with fab
what's the nickname what you called us? This is? Yeah,
it was dope. It was that was more like a
because we talked about it a few times. They really
asked us that we want to do it. That wasn't
like to fight promotives how they're doing all of them.
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They know, you want to go up there with your
brother and represent your catalog, But then the media and
the boroughs and your demographics and entourager is always gonna
put that who's gonna win and this and that, So
you gotta deal with that party, which I'm cool with.
H me. I've always been underdog, so I love h
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There was a hashtag and the meme of h Jada
drunk that then went viral. Special change off that yeah,
drunk is um um. People my friends and loved ones
and family, they always saw that side of it. Was
just that with the camera on that the world never saw.
(41:58):
I was just in regular forms. Start seeing me like that.
I was regular legit to the people that know me.
It was just a shock to those that have never
seen me have a sip and and and and loosen
up a little. But it was. It was definitely the
calls that came to the next day movie scripts and
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liquor endorsements and all type of wow ship you know.
I mean, if I saw some merch sold a nice
amount of merch off that it was dope made a
beneficial going into that is everything kind of planned out.
You know, bam bam, bam, what song's gonna play? Are
you feeling his energy and switching ship out? Like, how
do you pick what you're gonna perform? You put a
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staff that I got my son over there. I used
my son. I used poops, which is like to Phil
Jackson the d Block. We use our DJ and use ourselves.
We go to the hood actually young and just we
try to get a whole We get a bunch of
lists from everybody. We narrow them down, now them down
some more. We do some or overthinking. We put a
(43:02):
put a stash list over there. You put a list
that they might try to come with from over there,
and then you put your strategy together, you know, twenty
four hours before that. But doing that from whenever they
say it helps it out your menace. I definitely was prepping.
A lot of dudes don't prep like you know what
I mean. I think preparation is everything, whether there's a celebration,
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a real war, whatever it is, shooting around the real game.
The preparation got don't be the same for when I mean,
I mean we're in twenty one right now, what do
you miss from what you call the Golden era, but
it's the freedom. Um. I missed the privacy m hm,
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you know. I mean everything that happened then was just
in there nobody. You can go everywhere, no bunch of
phones in your face, bunches, you know what I mean.
You don't have to worry about that. I missed the
collaborals that we were just talking about, the symphony type
of songs. I missed that. They don't appreciate the album
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that's prepared on top of the stove opposer a microwave
run project, you know what I mean. And that's due
to the money that that the executing that they missed
not getting with the whole digital wave. So now they
play catch up and we got to get the short
into the stick because some business that they fucked. Podcasting,
(44:38):
you did some work with Kenyan Martin tramart Um. You
know you off air you spoke about getting possibly your
own space. What was that experience like and are you
gonna try to get your own podcasts? Yeah, shout out
to kmart Um. I think it was dope. It was
a little it was a little rough because we wasn't
able to be on location with each other. So sometimes
you get some problems with it and you get some
(45:00):
things going crazy, But for the most part, it was dope.
I got a lot of great feedback. I love talking
about sports. You know. You know what they say, sports
dudes and and entertainment day they go end and glove
with each other. So um, you know, I played sports
in high school, little league coming up, so I could
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talk sports all day. I rather rather talk sports and music.
Just the experience of of of letting people see another
side of you and being able to engage with the people.
I think it's dope being an athlete coming up. What
were Who were some of the teams and players you
admired growing up and still check for these days. I
(45:42):
love Magic Boom. You know, I love Magic. I was
a point guard. I love his passes. I love watching birds.
Then this just basketball and general watching y'all guys come up.
I've been around when I was. I was in the
party with you when you was on the sixes. I
was watching start on um Oak Hill. I'm a I'm
(46:07):
a real fan of basketball and sports in general, more
so basketball and football. But I really know stuff about
y'all that y'all probably like, don't you know, I'm being
I really look into it. I'm really conversation. See, I
think it's dope because I was such a big fan
and I even told you that nothing. It's crazy because
I didn't even know if you remember meeting me, this
(46:28):
is like oh three, you know, I wasn't even I
got traded with Webb but fucking Philey, so I was
doing getting high and remember but I ran into Jady
Kiss and I don't really ever get star struck. But
I ran into brom like, oh ship, that's Jenny Kiss
like that. It was exciting to me, you know what
I mean that I've been a man. I've been I've
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been knowing you. Let match it. This though, how did
the AI commercial come about? That ship was hard? That
is the when? The when? Actually, that's that's another thing
I don't get credit for. One of the first that's
one of the first spots that went crazy that whenly
(47:09):
connected with basketball and basketball and accepted it, they broke
the you know what I mean, Stern had to loose
enough for that and like, yo, this is a good
this is good. What you don't know is the reason
why I was big was because as players are, like okay,
a I already showed us that we could be who
we are and not have to change nothing. But now
he didn't brought one of our favorite rappers that speaking
(47:30):
for us in the game, brought him to our world.
You know what I'm saying. That's why that commercial was
so big and it still resonates today that I think
I met. I met him early because like I said,
was we we used to sit around and watch Georgetown games,
the old crew and just go crazy. So once I
was able to meet him after he got drafted, he
just embraced me like a bro, like yo, I love
(47:53):
He was like, I love you, red Man. This that
you know what I'm saying. So then I always kept
the relationship with him. Steve Stout, I had something going
on with Reebok at the time, and they when they
gave him his deal, and they was they was looking
at the door or at the track masters. They called
(48:13):
me over to coming to the student and listen to
this track. It was. It was dope because it was
the baseline and the whole track was made up of
the screeching and the sneakers and they put it together
a fire. I'm like, this is fire, and they're like, yo,
you want to do it this fold and I was
want to do it. Kind of question is that, um
(48:37):
we knocked it out, was able to do one and
two of them. So it was it was dope. It
was it was I knew it was hitting. It was
playing it inside parties and playing the spot and was crazy.
All right, man, quick hitters. We're coming to the end.
First thing to come to mind. Let us know Top
five in y Rappers and Why Rappers, Top five Live.
(49:01):
I'm not included, right, you could be. Yeah, you know,
I'm rest in peace to the dog, rest in peace,
b I g old nas. I don't know what I do,
(49:23):
just get it. I like it. You could be remembered
for one bar of yours. What would it be? From
New York Line. It's a compliment. I'm not cocky, I'm
confident cock complaire an telling me I'm the best. It's
a compliment. Mhm. Or Who's you're starting for? You'd be
(49:48):
the fifth if you're gonna play a pick up black
top game where am I drafted from it? Anybody could
be Street Legends, it could be NBA Hoopers, it could
be the homies, the topic me plus yeah, maybe you
might have to fight out there, Holy Ship B plus four.
Let me get watch this four I put the gether
(50:09):
you never would let me get that, Donkey Donkins, pick strong, motherfucker,
Nica Reen two more, let me get m J and
Ship I say, I'm Perkins. That's the craziest Perkins. Oh
(50:34):
one NBA game and Hans you you could we wish
you could have been at the fight you was ordered.
I wish I wish I could have been at the
I probably asked them any question, adio, I was actually
you about It was in the studio, Hello, Blans, just
(50:54):
talking about basketball and braun all councils. I remember that too,
right there in Yak people ain't been in that's a fact.
Top five New York movies King in New York, Classic,
Mike White, Beachtreat, that's a good one. I't forgot. I
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forgot about be Streaking, frunch Groove. That's a good one.
I wasn't thinking that one. I knew Jack City. I'm
just saying that's classic. B Yeah it is. You gotta
throw that on then gotta keep it all. We go
back to the beginning. Man, I heard that movie in
(51:39):
the long quality on it. It looks crazy like they
shotted with a no kid, they shotted with it M
And you can have one guest on All the Smoke
win me. But remember when you pull you ask the question,
you gotta realize you gotta help us with your answer.
Oh shit, next time you get next to Hove, tell
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them stacking Matt need him on the show. And we'll
come to wherever anywhere we're gonna pull up. How might
stop by the office after this? Yeah, and getting on him? Yeah,
definitely big bus. But well, we're definitely being bent to
you for that one. Well, man, that's a wrap. JD.
Kiss Brothers appreciate you, baby, long time overdue all the
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I Heart platform Black Effects. I can't do it. Yeah,
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coming to you from New York, another edition All the Smoke.
Jack was good, man, Let's continue to make this thing
blow like we've been doing. Let's not right now, Let's
keep it at we've been rolling. Man. We got one
of my favorites, sumone to me who never got the
respect and appreciation. I think a lot of us think
he deserved a man. Welcome to the show, jad Kiss.
(00:45):
Appreciate you man. Long time it seemed like I should
have been up there. So Yonkers. For those who new
New York, similar energy, completely different. Talk to us about
your upbringing and uh where you're from. Bunting and raised
(01:07):
yank Is, New York about fifteen twenty minutes with traffic
from the city. We always had a chip, you know,
it's like a chip on our shoulder because they always um,
you listened to the Ready and the rest in peace,
the Heavy d He came out of Mount Vernon and
he was like the first big thing out of Westchester.
(01:29):
That's our area. Uh, as far as you know, having
entertainment success and then um, growing up we listened to
the radio, it would always shot out the five Barrels
and then skip us and shot out Mount Vernon, you
know what I mean. And then New Rochelle Have the
(01:50):
brand New Being came out, and Grand Pooba and brand
new By and then came out. So we're like, why
didn't that we shot out Yank's like, we got some
talent here, you mean. So then fast forward Mary m
hm X ourselves. He was able to put our demographic
on the map and then let people see that Yaks
(02:13):
is really like a gumbo of the five Barrows. That's
a little bit of Brooklyn feel to it, a little
bit of the Bronx, a little bit of all a
little bit of clean, a little bit Long Islands. That man,
it's like a gumball of Walt drive around you. You
see some projects, you see some houses, you see it
looks crazy, but um for the most part is it's
(02:38):
like anywhere else, just ten twenty minutes from the city
that it took us to put it out there. Every day. Blive,
you've been there. I've been to yall cause I sure have.
I pulled up. You gotta get Maddie be over there.
Talk about early life and having hit the streets that
we have to earn money. We all know how to go,
but to walk with us to your teen nigers. I
(03:03):
was fortunate to have both parents. My family is like
a split. I mean, like my dad's side is they
all have college degrees. My mom's side is like more
like the beas least from from schools. With duc they
all it's like the criminal side. So I was able
to have a balance to text the buffalo, you know
(03:24):
what I mean. You know, anything I ever did in
the street, I didn't really have to do it. You know,
everybody got that story. Oh I came home, it was
nothing in the fridge and salute to those that had
to do that. I pretty much was I and just
a little mischievous on the upcoming and wanted to earn
some of my own money. I mean, so I sold
(03:46):
a few things that would in retail. About it retail, hotail?
Where did you discover rapping? I discovered it maybe like
eight nine years old, out of one of my older
j's in the hood, Steve tune Uh. He lived his parents.
His family lived like one flight up from my grandma's crib,
(04:10):
So I was always over my grandmother's crib. And then
he just grabbed me to his crib one day, started
playing some breakbeats, gave me the mike and like, I'm DJ,
and you're wrapping, you know, I mean, so I'll just
be rapping. And I think I really started getting good
at it. I snapping on my friends, you know, snapping
(04:30):
on people watching the Jeffersons, looking George, chopping on Mr
Bentley and him and I I guess something just clicked
in there then. I was always loved music like from
sugar Hill Gang. I think when I graduated Kenny Gardener
PreK Kenney Garden going in the first grade, one of
(04:50):
them I'm Moving Up gift was the sugar Hill vinyl
in a little radio. So I think my mom even
knew datter. You know. I was like to hip bap
love and just kept me in the field. When did
us chic and styles p come into your life? Chic
was always in my life, Like I just told you,
(05:11):
I used to wrap with my old g Steve tune
Um that lived one flight up from my grandmother's she's
grandmother and one building over from that. So and like coincidentally,
when his mom would drive him off my mama, we
would always see each other when we was, you know,
in the presence of our grandma, and then I started him.
(05:34):
I think I brought him upstairs one day like yo,
look this is what we're doing. It's something clicked in
him and he started rapping. Another coincidence, his mom had
moved across town and my mom moved, so we moved
to the scene. We end up living one corner away
from each other. Our grandma's that moved from that demographic
(05:57):
across town to three or five four, which became d
block car washing, and they moved in the same building now,
so then here she lived on the first floor of
my grandmother. So it was meant for us to just
be be around and then them. We was experimenting with
local DJs in in y oh. Then I think we
got to Junior Hio High School, we met up with
(06:18):
p and he just got down with us, you know,
wrapping in the launch room, banging on the table, was
wrapping in between periods. We just started clicking up stabs
out a job at odd Jobs. We did a heist
and stole about two thousand cassette tapes, printing them up.
(06:40):
He was selling them in school for like fifteen dollars
and they were selling them. That was like our first
bomb Squad tape. That was the name of us back
then that we had out there, but it was ringing
in y oh. And then after that, you know, we
just kept evolved. So you guys former group originally called
the Warlocks. A freestyle battle in Florida attracted rough Riders.
(07:03):
Um tell us how inspired? Uh? Inspirational? Mary J. What's
see you personally? But really I need to meet up
about what we're talking about. It. First we met rest
in Piece of DMX ex Borel rough Riders to us. Yeah,
that's he bought him to our blocked in my little deal.
Yeah he boy didn't watch straight to the block popped out. Yeah,
(07:27):
shout out to the O G S. Yeah, he bought
explot being wide to the block to meet us and
just made us rhyme and told him these they're going
with me. And that's how that happened. And then, like
I told you before, when we started getting better, after
we were selling the tapes in high school for fifteen dollars.
Once we started, you know, we was hustling and then
(07:48):
making money to go to the studio to start, you know,
trying to prepare demo. Um, what's crazy about that is
Hove was making reasonable doubt in the next room as
we was making our locks demo. Hole was making reasonable
doubt in the next room. Did y'all know him before,
I mean we met him. We would see him in
the pool hall in the pool area walking by Um
(08:12):
jazz Oh. We knew jazz Oh he had he had
production on our demo, so he kind of like introduced
us the whole He was able to meet promo. So
um yeah, once once we did record the demo and
we felt it was good enough. One of our right
hand buddies and the entouragers, Mary's first cousin, my mayor
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Jamarco j Bob, So it was just a pass off.
We got to take the Bob. He gave it to Mary.
They happened to be on tour with Joe to see Mary,
Joe to see Puff. I think Junior Mafia bone thugs
whoever they said they popped in on on the tour bus.
Puff is loving it. They set up with me and
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m J called yo, guys, I love y'all know strange
and I don't want nothing off. He wants to meet
child and then resisted. Loving Jake's I love I need
to meet up. Bro. I love Mary Jake. You made it.
It's like you already know. And that's how that's how
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much love she gives them. You know, it's dope. I
had to explain. When I played for the Clippers, she
used to come to some games and I remember I
was sitting in the front row before the game tie
my shoe and someone sits down next to me. I
don't even know, and I'm doing my ship. I look over.
I was like, oh my god, like that right. She's like, Hi,
it is that man honored the meat. Anyway, back to
the story, what was it like get the first regort deal?
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What that feeling was like? Yeah, my first record deal
was a feeling like no other because coming from is
a is a discouraging place sometimes like a dog cloud
we call it. That stays there permanent, and nobody really
believes in. Nobody really thinks you're gonna make it. That's
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why they say when you when you when you're starting
off of business or you're doing something, if you can
get earn your love from where you at first, the
rest of the world would be easy. And once we
felt like that about Yanker so once we got them
to kind of dig us, it wasn't that hard. We
were sitting around right rhymes that we would just want
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Biggie to hear like me and styles and loops like yo,
right this round. We haven't meet Biggie, I want to
say this rhyme to him. So then getting on Bad Boy,
it was like the best thing in the world that happened.
And once we was able to get down with big
you know something that was like a dream come true
to us. We felt like we was on the unstoppable team.
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But we were still young, still went behind the ears
and still didn't understanding business. And the more that we
learned the business and learned about them, you know, the
fokery is when you know we made that transition. But
being on Bad Boy, it was one of the best
times in our life. We we had some of the
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best times. We learned some jewels that we're still able
to apply to this day. To take care of our family.
Puff is a special individual that when he when he
got love for you to help you out, show you something.
My brother, my brother, I've been with loaning a lot. Lady.
I used to send a lot of stories about just
be highly you. We used to send a lot of
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stories about bad Boy back in the day when you
are first starting up skilled. It's crazy. It's like it
had to be like going to one of the best
colleges at the best time in the world, like the parties.
This just the rollout was like Noah, with the money
that I was being spent and then the golden that
I called it is was just crazy. You touched on
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obviously aspiring to get your music too Big. You get
a chance to meet Big and you and him built
a special relationship. Talked to us about your relationship with
Bit like I tell some of the artists that I
talked to today to asked me, you know, things about
the game. Being able to sit there with Big it
was priceless, you know what I mean. Being able to
be in the studio sessions, Being able to be on
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Life after Death, which only has a few futures a
few features, is priceless. Um. He took care, took care
of Junior Mafia, He took care a lot of people.
He was very funny, dude. He was very His work
ethic was crazy, His energy was beautiful. He's just a
good guy, like a good you know, a good guy
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that that really shook the game up while he was here,
and then after his untimely demise, like um, when that
happened to him, that was our first time in l A.
So that was lituis like, that was the first time.
That's our first time. Then we end up party. He
was actually young and he was a little mad that night.
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He came over to him on you know that last
picture that you've seen with the King that had in
that in the party in l A. He's like, yo,
if y'all gotta shake that ship off whatever y'all whatever
I got with puff and handled it back home. It
goes zip. Gave us two dom P's say, yo, it's
my single release man and ship to get your energy right.
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We we am man, Let's have some fun. So we
went over there and then that was the last time
we talked to him, so you know, that was crazy,
and then we just wanted to use to turn the
negative to a positive and just represent his legacy forever.
That's what we still do. What was it like, Obviously,
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I'm a West Coast guy, California guy, and you know,
growing up in the era where there was so much
back and forth between East and West you become a
bad boy label made with big when that East and
West Coast ship was going on, where was your head?
That wasn't really like the media trying to make it see,
it wasn't really always this, this, this, or what it did?
The media make that more than what it was. I
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think it's a little bit of everything. Good thing. Social
media wasn't yet worse, but I think I think the
media definitely hyped it up. I think some of the
higher powers that we don't even know about were involved
with that. I think that was just a sad, something
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sad that happened at the right time, which happened to
be the wrong time. It's big love. We used to act,
he spoke, he worshiped there and there the ground pipe
used to love Pock used to give him Jews and
he would tell us stories for days about so I
knew for a fact that he loved them, genuinely loved them.
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So when all that stuff happened, it was a little
bit crazy to us, and we was we missed it,
and like you know, we came a little bit after that.
We started blossoming after that because then you know, Park
never he didn't know about us like that in the Outlaws,
and they never said anything about the Locks because we
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came after that. But just to be there and see that,
I think I might have been with Big out a
total video Missing You remix the first time he heard
hit him up though. When he got somebody passed it
to him and put it in. I think I was
damn when he first laid airs on that. And he
wasn't even really mad. He was more mad at this
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stuff they were saying about season Kim opposed to the
to the song itself, it didn't it didn't ruffle his facts.
He was more upset about what they were saying about
this little man and the Queen Bee. That's how That's
how much he was for the team. Yeah, yeah, even
worried about him. Yeah, you release your solo album with
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with Locks of money power and respect. What was that like? Finding, uh,
finally being on money power respect. It was beautiful just
to have an album out there on bad Boy Records,
heavy heavy promotion. Yeah. How good he's able to have
them Max featuring on their little Kim on the Hook.
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How was like a big look for three boys from
Yankis you know what I mean? It was very grateful.
He was able to go on tour, the No Way
Out Tour. It's one of the best tours I've ever
been on in my life. Just the whole experience was priceless.
Over you said you learned a lot, but you felt
it was time to to to leave bad Boy. What
was that experience like, were you leaving into another situation?
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You were just we got to get up out of this,
what's find out what's next? It was crazy about that
whole thing is like I told you, X bored us
two Rough Riders. He was the big dog. We was
fortunate to get the record deal first. You know what
I mean. If we didn't have real love, that could
have went all wrong because he could have been like
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I put these on. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
But he wasn't. We We knew it was family style.
We threw him on money Power Respected single, which is
a video when the first video that we have a
shot in yonkers Um after that surely Can't Get at
Me Dog, which let him they get his his death
Jam deal and let Rough Riders get a label. So
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while we caught the first deal on bad Boy, Rough
Riders was always our manage it. So once the ball
started rolling and now they got the label. We couldn't
wait to go back over there because that was like
just going back home. So then with the Turmoilo and
bad Boy, we're like, we gotta try to get back
to the crib and you know, with the powers of
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the Lord and power excuse me and you know people,
we made it back. How did puff hounding all that? Though?
I mean it was a little weak and me being
holder down and understanding, you know, and being a businessman.
We were a little disgrunt through. We were we was
a little radical, but we knew only power we had
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with the streets, right, We couldn't go into a litigation.
War is money is like people from Schaft trained moment
he tried to go to the court. Yeah, he wasn't
gonna win that. So we we we definitely had at
me and it sat down and say, Yo, this could
go right or left, and if it goes the wrong way,
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we can be shelved. We could never put the album
out again. We could It's a is a side to
this that can be horrible, horrible for us, and we
just rolled the dice and you know what I mean,
Fortunately it worked out years later. What's that relationship like
with you and him personally. He just called in over
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the day. That's that's big bro Um. I'm glad now
that we were able to work it out and we
actually got tighter off that opposed to it being a
you know, yeah, supposedly going wrong, we actually got tighter.
We go to his crib and we go to you
still do toys and shows with him, hang out with
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him as the whole room. Still cool, everybody still cool,
Still cool. Talk to us about your relationship with X dog.
The dog was just different, man, The dog was different.
The dog had come through and get out and go
to the liquor storm and sit there and miss an
old movie set or something. Just off the love like
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his love. Whoever met the dog, if you ever a
lot of chance to meet him, you felt like you
know him the same like marry him and Mary got
a similar possana after you meet him, like you you
felt like you know. And that's just how the dog was.
He was. He didn't care about money, he didn't care
about fame. He just cared about genuine love. Oh men, yeah,
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I've said it. Yesterday we had Joe on the show
I Gotta I was a big time DMX fan, I
gotta tattoo or something. He said, if my life ain't long,
I thank all my last breaths of my life ain't wrong.
And I was able to meet him two weeks before
he died at Ice Box in Atlanta. He didn't get
a chance when you tell him what I wanted to say,
but you know what I'm I was. I was starstruck
when I saw him, you know what I'm saying. But
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I got a chance to meet him and just feel
the energy. Man, He's definitely a legend. Gonna be missed. Man,
Rest in peace. What was the turning point for you
after experience group success with folks who came up with
what made the decision to to jump to solo and
give that a shot? Was this decision all y'all made
it one time to do solo projects? Are because she
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she didn't never really planning on Doom, just like the
people forced him and like you gotta do this, and
he's like all right, you know me, but me, I
think they had it in the works early. Um once
rough Friday's got the label, when we we had got
off bat Boy and then we was on and the
Scope Records. I think D and why Steve Stout in
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them always added in the plan. Uh, George J. D.
Kiss soolo Like then we were we used to be
extra cool. You know we still we don't. We signed
that Rock Nation now as management, but like then we
was double law in the rock was really controlling everything.
And I used to be messing with Dane, like, yo,
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let me get a solo deal over it. He used
to be like, yo, right, whenever you're ready, just come
by and be and it would be like stop saying
that back a family, Yeah, talk to us about I mean,
it's interesting. I mean it's in it's in the news
right now. The unfortunate situation with Damon Jay is kind
of translated to this and Day wants to sell this.
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But what back then? What was that? Did it? Dame
one did? He really was the energy like back then.
I don't really like to see none of that. I mean,
like you know what I mean. I didn't ship sweaters
or come up with them from the clubhouse, but I did.
I wasn't around when they were shuper tighten, when everything
was loving, dynamic doing mean when yeah, so you know
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that's just something I like to stay away from. But
I was actual, Yeah, the trio, Big in the Hole,
you know what I mean. But you know that's a
that's a story that with nobody or whatever. No, unless
you sit down with all of them, you know what
I mean. And when when the media likes to give
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you that side of it, my best thing is to
stay out of them, because you know, I got love
between respect that the debut Alnam Kissed the Game Goodbye.
Remember that was my second year in college. Went hard.
What was it like? I mean, you came out the
gates with you know, just a you know, strong producers,
you know, features from ex eve Snoop Nas, work with Swiss.
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Like I told you, that was the golden that Blowing
Back did just I think that that album we made
it we recorded in the South Beach. I think it
was in one of al Capone's old cribs. The energy
was right, Oh yeah, We're down there for a few
months recording, just living, blowing money. Then I got a
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nice percentage of the album done, came back to New
York for maybe a week, then we went to l A.
I finished it up in l A. Had crazy promotion.
The promotion was out of this world for that album.
It was just a golden that they knew Jimmy wasn't
telling me no, D and why I wasn't telling me no?
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It was just yes davery every budget was getting approved.
A lot of it was It's like they was doing
P P P loans back then. Everything was everything was
greenly two thousand four years, second album, Kiss, Kiss the
Death reached his number one on the Billboard Top two Hunter,
what was it like being number one? That felt great?
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That's like my mom. Yeah, was heavy, you know back then,
and I think it was a fourth quarter release, went
back then only the fourth you know, you had to
got to be a juggernaut to release in the fourth quarter.
So I was really thankful what I was really too
in my horn and I really felt like I made
my entrance into the game, even though I still never
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got that just due like like mat I said, like
the solidification that I'm supposed to have. But I think
that Kissing that album um and got nominated for a
Grammy with why it was just that was very susced.
That was like my baby, that's like my baby out
of my Why was the game changing? You talk to
us about why how that came together working with Anthony
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Hamilton's I think the song Why I was in my
brain maybe nine to six months before I ever even
thought about making it. The song just some question. I
just used to always have wild questions, and like, what
do I'm making a song called Why? I wondered people
want to know the same questions that keep calling in
my brain? Then, um, something else people don't know? Having
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produced one from my d I don't need that sounds
like fall left from having production. But he has sent
me a bat pack and I got that. I'm like, yo,
I think this is the track pressing piece ice Pick
from like Pick. I think this is the tract for Why.
You're like, yeah, just try it and then you know.
I mean I laid them. I had to start thinking
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to some questions that the whole world would. I would
think we have some similarities and want to know. Got
Anthony Hamilton on the hook. The rest was history in
the In the song, you have a line about George
Bush playing the Nana not eleven attacks. How did you
handle the controversy that they came with a real question
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that a lot of people wanted to know, but you
have the encourage to put it on there. We sat
down and thought about that carefully and we're like, yo,
maybe it won't reach them, but if it does, that
means yeah. So once we started getting ladders and emails
from the White House, and Bill o'rilly made it a
whole segmental like yo, he did it. Just be careful.
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Now you gotta ride clean and we gotta movie. He
reached the radar. You know it was good though you've
been that bad boy rough riders. What made you sign
with Jason Labor Rocket for the records? We're managed by
rock Nation and yeah, it just managed. He was also
the president of the Depth Chym for a while when
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I first went over there. That's what got me over there. Action.
Oh it was a good guy that that keeps it
under the stayed low with it. But as hard as
huge here helping anybody out, I mean, at least for
the at least for the most part on my part,
never had to really ask him for nothing serious. But
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I always like an ace and old I ever really
needed something life changing, you know what I mean. He
does stuff and he looks for no accolades. He not
trying to set up the press confidence just talk about
the things that he does. And I think it's hard
to find individuals like everybody wants to credit for helping
somebody or everybody want to look what I did over
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all that type of time, And I just think that's
special to come from the ground, I mean from the
b from the dirt and being able to rub shoulders
with the people. He's able to the rooms, he's able
to get in now and not change as a as
a beautiful thing. Fourth album, top five that are alive.
You're able to release that of the d block records,
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what was it like, We're not gonna release something your ship.
I think the ultimate goal at the end of the
day is to have some ownership, you know, to work
for yourself. You know y'all relate to that, you know,
with the owners and being players. I'm always for the players.
I'm always for the artists. Is a lot of times
these labels, these executives, these bigger entities, they make more
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of up off us than we do. So it's cool
when somebody gives you an opportunity to, you know, change
your life financially. But I thought, while you want to
be born the ownership side than just the work all,
you want to become a partner. So you know, we
was able to work things out with rough Riders, and
that's a vision that we always had and the work
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for ourselves, and that's what it is. You've had an
opportunity to work with some of the best in the game.
You know what has it been like collapsing with some
of the young bright minds and you know now that
you're an o G looking back on it, well respected
in the game. Of course. I think collaborations and working
with all the artists is something that's missing in the
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music industry right now. And that that we came up
off that you love hearing them symphonies in the house
and different ones, you know what I mean, from the
symphony with mall malling them from the scenario, any any
of them, type of songs of self destruction with everybody. Yeah,
those were those were the joints back then. Then. I
guess once the the finances changing, dudes start getting money,
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they started getting a little selfish and and um it
hurts the culture pos that you just thinking, yo, we
just hot over here. We don't need to work with that.
The fans went their head different varieties and different you
know what I mean, different things together and it makes
some beautiful art. Music is all at the end of
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the day, so you need to do it, but you
would come from your heart. For one of my bucket
lists collapses to do a song with Stevie Wonder and
Andre three three Stacks got the same birthday, so I'm
taking a song that would be crazy called birthday or something,
you know, something crazy Stevie sing, that's that's my bucket list.
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Stacks agreed to do it. Now we just got to
reach out to Stevie. Yeah, that's gonna be crazy, it's
gonna be dope. Sixteen you come back together after a
sixteen year hiatus with the Locks and come out with
our Filthy America. It's beautiful. What was it like reunite
with your people? Although I'm sure you gotta stay close,
but yeah, I mean it's crazy because once we started
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doing solo stuff, We're like, yo, he's gonna do a
solo album each or something. We're gonna get right back
to it. That turned into sixteen years later. You just
start doing toys, you start having kids, you start life
doing it, and then we always have the group meeting
and board met and you know we're gonna do it
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and do it, never do it. When we dropped the
Filthy America just like we we happen to be in
a studio a lot at a certain time, and we're
just like we gotta drop some my ep so. But
we never we was always together all the time. We
always on the studio, We always see each other a
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few times a week. You never, you know what I mean.
We were really big on keeping the bond tight as
you want, separators from every other group. No social media
slipp it. No body's Twitter got hacked. No, I'm never
gonna come on a platform like this and throw my
brothers under the bus or anything remotely close to that.
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So that's what That's one thing I can say about y'all,
Like minimal beasts, if if one or two, but just
find one, can't find one other. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
you know what to my minimal beasts outside of the lot.
Even with y'all, y'all one group that even though y'all
took highest highest, y'all always stayed firm, stay supporting each
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other and stayed together. And that's that's where a lot
of people should should respect in the game, because you know,
like you said, when money come, you know, you look
at the hot boys. You know what I'm saying, different
things happen when they separate. You know a lot lot
of stuff can happen when money is involved. You know
what I'm saying, And that y'all, how y'all stayed together
with all your different personality, that says a lot about
how your brotherhood. When we first signed the first deal,
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we we made an oath that we would let no
music industry or none of that type of stuff intertwine
and where we already building, keep it tight and keep
your family staff Friday on the Elm Street. Uh to me,
Fabris right there with you. As far as not getting
the just do in the credit that y'all put in, Man,
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thatd y'all put into this brother spins off. How did that?
How did that idea come about? Um? We was, Yeah,
that's his nickname. He was doing the um he was.
He was doing these Friday night mixtape joints with Clue,
Like these freestyles he was dropping every Friday night. It
was super dope. I'm like, yo, I got to get
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in on that, but I wanted to find my own thing.
So I call Envy and say, yo, I'm gonna drop
some ships on Friday morning. You know what I'm saying,
then it became like everybody be waiting on Friday morning
and then be waiting Friday night. So we had the
city and a little frenzy. Um, we have been to
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being an officers somewhere, like y'all got this idea, let's
do this, Freddie and Jason Joy like, yeah, let's go
to label, let's get some money off, and you know,
let's do some merger to do a little toy. Let's
make it, make it an event. And we did it.
It was cool. It was cool too. I got you know,
I got real tighter. Me and him got close off
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that just going through some life issues besides doing the music,
you know what I mean, that's my little bro. We're
gonna do another one too. You know that. It was dope.
What's it like working with someone like that? Though? We
just you know, it's it's it's not your group, it's
not your solo, it's you know, one of the homies.
But you guys going in and knock an album out
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together to put each other, you definitely gotta be able
to understand them. You definitely gotta be able to vibe.
You definitely have to be like minded to a certain extent.
These deep, freshest in the game. Yeah, he coming and
we're going to do He comes to the studio like
we're going on stage. Yeah he got No. That's the
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only thing I hated doing the album was going shopping
with him. You can't stop every day, need you do, dude,
We gotta do this every day. He gotta go every
day and find some incredible ship. So other than that,
it was beautiful. But you gotta be able to be
around somebody to work with. We did something in my studio,
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We did something. His student flew to Miami and did
some songs. But if you can't be around, to man,
you you ain't gonna be able to create in this game.
You run across beef. Jack Jack spoke that, you know,
guy's never had no internal beef. But you were part
of a song with j'all rule New York, uh, and
that caused us song. What a song he had to
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start with? John got you into it and it turned
into a little bit for y'all. What talked to us
about that was that nineties ish was that this old
little thing was that, like man, I think it was
a little bit of all of I think Fifth was
using his marketing because I don't really think I joined
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forces with jobs. Of course we know about John and
Irvan cash Money Clicking murder in We started out together, damn.
So we have a relationship. And I think fifth Is
used that too as a marketing too to do what
he was doing at the time. Because when I heard
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this song, it was nothing. The song was a good song.
It was Repy's in New York. Um Cracks was then
on being featured on it also, so I thought it
was just a good look for New York that I
think Fifth Is. I didn't even care. It wasn't like,
you know, I didn't have to ask his permission to
do the song. But I didn't think it was going
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rough for his feathers like that even But like I said,
he's a smart businessman and a hell of a marketer,
so he was able to to what he did with
y'all went back and forth with a couple of different
songs though. Was it was it competitive nature is? It
was it awesome for me for me, for me the
Beanie when I went out, and that one was more
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personal for me because it felt like it felt I
felt tighter. I didn't I didn't know Fifth when he
said whatever he said, but it was a little bit.
It seemed a little weird because before that he got
a song where he's saying all of the hard and
was to come from Yankeys, So it's like, what he
he ain't contradicting yourself a little bit. So I knew
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from that. We knew that it wasn't really like SERI
it was. It wasn't that internal because we knew that
he was he was checking for us favor, saying that
one of his songs like you guys later performed uh
at This is fifty festival and oh nine obviously that
this the ship has was all you know, dream it um?
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What was that like? Though? Actually working with them after
it was cool. It was cool. Like I said, it
wasn't a we knew once and once we ever sat
down and talked like men, and I handed out it
was gonna be a short brief thing because it wasn't
no internal There was no nucleus there. It wasn't like
something we ain't We ain't from the same hood, We
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don't know the same you know, we know some of
the same people, but it wasn't like one of them,
oh grudge that needed to be be solved. I mean
like him and jobs whatever they had, they still that's
a different that's an old different thing. And this was
nothing even mobly close to that. The beef with the rap,
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beef with the basic thing of mine enjoyed because nobody
got hurt, but just the power and the lyrics it
was it was real, Bro. You know what I'm saying,
Like the best of the events going ball, foot ball.
You know what I'm saying. I I can't lie, Bro,
I enjoyed that. I'm glad that, you know, nobody got
hurt in it. But the song for songs like he
was waiting for the reply, he was waiting for those replies, bro,
(38:19):
and that hip hop needed that at the time. I
can't lie. Hip hop needed that at the time, Bro,
Everybody needed it. You see. That's that's another thing like
now it's not much of that because it will get
overpowered by trolling, tweets and Instagram comedic videos. Opposed to
(38:40):
back then, you just had to go to the studio
and load up and then they send the shot. You
send the shot. But now it's so much other things
to overpower the music. You can just do content and
and grass the people like that. So it took away
from that part of the competitive nature for the music,
(39:00):
because every since cool Mo dn LLLF, since you can
go back, there's always been a light feud in the
airplop that keeps the coach of it. Everybody can get
involved with nobody getting hurt or no, you know what
I mean. The studio, it'll it'll go outside and that's
bad for the coach. Yeah. Uh, we spoke before the show,
(39:25):
but you've got a big versus coming up at the garden.
I wish we can be there because I know it's
gonna be in I ain't saying styles. Peter is hyping
a long time pee Pee pee, and Jimmy is on
they they're doing the twenty four hour seven, a great
rendition of it they're doing and they're selling this thing
(39:46):
at the top of the line. Here shout out Jimmy.
That shout o Jimmy. I talked to Jimmy and Path yesterday,
but talk about how that came about and and the
fact that you guys are gonna be in Madison Square
Garden with a live audience going back and forth with
your brother. Well, first things first, we're going on Toll
in September, Locks and Dips at so I think that's
what that's the that's what people don't know. We um
(40:07):
we hatta. We had a we had a pre show
of the tour July three in Norfolk, Virginia. It was great,
it was sold out, it was great. And then I
think the talk started happened. I think Tim and Swiss
seen that and they're like, Yo, this would be good
for Versus. No, only a couple of groups winning. It
was R and B group. So for New York. He
(40:29):
was able to get the Garden just a big thing.
And then that's gonna help the tour because we're going
on tour the next few weeks right after Versus. So
it's so it's all. It's all good for the culture.
It's good for hip hop, locks and dips. That has
always been New York groups on the on the top
level of rap. So you go, we gotta come to Atlanta. Definitely. Yeah,
(40:51):
I got to pull up to that. Definitely. How do
you feel about the Versus matter? You had with fab
what's the nickname what you called us? This is? Yeah,
it was dope. It was that was more like a
because we talked about it a few times. They really
asked us that we want to do it. That wasn't
like to fight promotives how they're doing all of them.
(41:14):
They know, you want to go up there with your
brother and represent your catalog, But then the media and
the boroughs and your demographics and entourager is always gonna
put that who's gonna win and this and that, So
you gotta deal with that party, which I'm cool with.
H me. I've always been underdog, so I love h
(41:37):
There was a hashtag and the meme of h Jada
drunk that then went viral. Special change off that yeah,
drunk is um um. People my friends and loved ones
and family, they always saw that side of it. Was
just that with the camera on that the world never saw.
(41:58):
I was just in regular forms. Start seeing me like that.
I was regular legit to the people that know me.
It was just a shock to those that have never
seen me have a sip and and and and loosen
up a little. But it was. It was definitely the
calls that came to the next day movie scripts and
(42:18):
liquor endorsements and all type of wow ship you know.
I mean, if I saw some merch sold a nice
amount of merch off that it was dope made a
beneficial going into that is everything kind of planned out.
You know, bam bam, bam, what song's gonna play? Are
you feeling his energy and switching ship out? Like, how
do you pick what you're gonna perform? You put a
(42:39):
staff that I got my son over there. I used
my son. I used poops, which is like to Phil
Jackson the d Block. We use our DJ and use ourselves.
We go to the hood actually young and just we
try to get a whole We get a bunch of
lists from everybody. We narrow them down, now them down
some more. We do some or overthinking. We put a
(43:02):
put a stash list over there. You put a list
that they might try to come with from over there,
and then you put your strategy together, you know, twenty
four hours before that. But doing that from whenever they
say it helps it out your menace. I definitely was prepping.
A lot of dudes don't prep like you know what
I mean. I think preparation is everything, whether there's a celebration,
(43:26):
a real war, whatever it is, shooting around the real game.
The preparation got don't be the same for when I mean,
I mean we're in twenty one right now, what do
you miss from what you call the Golden era, but
it's the freedom. Um. I missed the privacy m hm,
(43:48):
you know. I mean everything that happened then was just
in there nobody. You can go everywhere, no bunch of
phones in your face, bunches, you know what I mean.
You don't have to worry about that. I missed the
collaborals that we were just talking about, the symphony type
of songs. I missed that. They don't appreciate the album
(44:09):
that's prepared on top of the stove opposer a microwave
run project, you know what I mean. And that's due
to the money that that the executing that they missed
not getting with the whole digital wave. So now they
play catch up and we got to get the short
into the stick because some business that they fucked. Podcasting,
(44:38):
you did some work with Kenyan Martin tramart Um. You
know you off air you spoke about getting possibly your
own space. What was that experience like and are you
gonna try to get your own podcasts? Yeah, shout out
to kmart Um. I think it was dope. It was
a little it was a little rough because we wasn't
able to be on location with each other. So sometimes
you get some problems with it and you get some
(45:00):
things going crazy, But for the most part, it was dope.
I got a lot of great feedback. I love talking
about sports. You know. You know what they say, sports
dudes and and entertainment day they go end and glove
with each other. So um, you know, I played sports
in high school, little league coming up, so I could
(45:21):
talk sports all day. I rather rather talk sports and music.
Just the experience of of of letting people see another
side of you and being able to engage with the people.
I think it's dope being an athlete coming up. What
were Who were some of the teams and players you
admired growing up and still check for these days. I
(45:42):
love Magic Boom. You know, I love Magic. I was
a point guard. I love his passes. I love watching birds.
Then this just basketball and general watching y'all guys come up.
I've been around when I was. I was in the
party with you when you was on the sixes. I
was watching start on um Oak Hill. I'm a I'm
(46:07):
a real fan of basketball and sports in general, more
so basketball and football. But I really know stuff about
y'all that y'all probably like, don't you know, I'm being
I really look into it. I'm really conversation. See, I
think it's dope because I was such a big fan
and I even told you that nothing. It's crazy because
I didn't even know if you remember meeting me, this
(46:28):
is like oh three, you know, I wasn't even I
got traded with Webb but fucking Philey, so I was
doing getting high and remember but I ran into Jady
Kiss and I don't really ever get star struck. But
I ran into brom like, oh ship, that's Jenny Kiss
like that. It was exciting to me, you know what
I mean that I've been a man. I've been I've
(46:49):
been knowing you. Let match it. This though, how did
the AI commercial come about? That ship was hard? That
is the when? The when? Actually, that's that's another thing
I don't get credit for. One of the first that's
one of the first spots that went crazy that whenly
(47:09):
connected with basketball and basketball and accepted it, they broke
the you know what I mean, Stern had to loose
enough for that and like, yo, this is a good
this is good. What you don't know is the reason
why I was big was because as players are, like okay,
a I already showed us that we could be who
we are and not have to change nothing. But now
he didn't brought one of our favorite rappers that speaking
(47:30):
for us in the game, brought him to our world.
You know what I'm saying. That's why that commercial was
so big and it still resonates today that I think
I met. I met him early because like I said,
was we we used to sit around and watch Georgetown games,
the old crew and just go crazy. So once I
was able to meet him after he got drafted, he
just embraced me like a bro, like yo, I love
(47:53):
He was like, I love you, red Man. This that
you know what I'm saying. So then I always kept
the relationship with him. Steve Stout, I had something going
on with Reebok at the time, and they when they
gave him his deal, and they was they was looking
at the door or at the track masters. They called
(48:13):
me over to coming to the student and listen to
this track. It was. It was dope because it was
the baseline and the whole track was made up of
the screeching and the sneakers and they put it together
a fire. I'm like, this is fire, and they're like, yo,
you want to do it this fold and I was
want to do it. Kind of question is that, um
(48:37):
we knocked it out, was able to do one and
two of them. So it was it was dope. It
was it was I knew it was hitting. It was
playing it inside parties and playing the spot and was crazy.
All right, man, quick hitters. We're coming to the end.
First thing to come to mind. Let us know Top
five in y Rappers and Why Rappers, Top five Live.
(49:01):
I'm not included, right, you could be. Yeah, you know,
I'm rest in peace to the dog, rest in peace,
b I g old nas. I don't know what I do,
(49:23):
just get it. I like it. You could be remembered
for one bar of yours. What would it be? From
New York Line. It's a compliment. I'm not cocky, I'm
confident cock complaire an telling me I'm the best. It's
a compliment. Mhm. Or Who's you're starting for? You'd be
(49:48):
the fifth if you're gonna play a pick up black
top game where am I drafted from it? Anybody could
be Street Legends, it could be NBA Hoopers, it could
be the homies, the topic me plus yeah, maybe you
might have to fight out there, Holy Ship B plus four.
Let me get watch this four I put the gether
(50:09):
you never would let me get that, Donkey Donkins, pick strong, motherfucker,
Nica Reen two more, let me get m J and
Ship I say, I'm Perkins. That's the craziest Perkins. Oh
(50:34):
one NBA game and Hans you you could we wish
you could have been at the fight you was ordered.
I wish I wish I could have been at the
I probably asked them any question, adio, I was actually
you about It was in the studio, Hello, Blans, just
(50:54):
talking about basketball and braun all councils. I remember that too,
right there in Yak people ain't been in that's a fact.
Top five New York movies King in New York, Classic,
Mike White, Beachtreat, that's a good one. I't forgot. I
(51:16):
forgot about be Streaking, frunch Groove. That's a good one.
I wasn't thinking that one. I knew Jack City. I'm
just saying that's classic. B Yeah it is. You gotta
throw that on then gotta keep it all. We go
back to the beginning. Man, I heard that movie in
(51:39):
the long quality on it. It looks crazy like they
shotted with a no kid, they shotted with it M
And you can have one guest on All the Smoke
win me. But remember when you pull you ask the question,
you gotta realize you gotta help us with your answer.
Oh shit, next time you get next to Hove, tell
(52:04):
them stacking Matt need him on the show. And we'll
come to wherever anywhere we're gonna pull up. How might
stop by the office after this? Yeah, and getting on him? Yeah,
definitely big bus. But well, we're definitely being bent to
you for that one. Well, man, that's a wrap. JD.
Kiss Brothers appreciate you, baby, long time overdue all the
(52:26):
smoke you catch up her Showtime Basketball YouTube and the
I Heart platform Black Effects. I can't do it. Yeah,
see you all next week. Yeah, this is all a smoke.
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