December 11, 2025 • 58 mins
Layzie Bone pulled up to ALL THE SMOKE for a legendary conversation about one of the most influential rap groups ever. From reuniting Bone Thugs-N-Harmony today to breaking down their impact on hip-hop, this episode is packed with stories that shaped an entire era. Layzie takes us back to Cleveland, talks about being homeless while making a platinum album, and opens up about Bizzy Bone’s kidnapping and the chaos that surrounded the group in their early days. He shares memories of working with icons like Eazy E, Mariah Carey, Biggie, and Tupac, and gives us the inside story on classic tracks like Notorious Thugs and First of the Month.
We also get into a Christmas party run-in the crew had with Wu-Tang Clan, his thoughts on the greatest rap groups ever, and the journey from the streets to winning a Grammy. This is hip-hop history told by one of the architects.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back all the smoke. Have we decided? What season?
This is? Season six? Jay? We got six seasons. Bros.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Your nails look nice, you got them done.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah, I get shiny buff. No policies, shiny buff.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Okay, you live in Atlanta, So I just had to ask.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yeah, it's good you asked. But you know you know
me better than Yeah. I thought I did, but I do. Man,
Welcome to the show. And I tell I was just
telling bro, like I'll ask anybody to come on our show.
But when I seen him at the softball game like
two weeks ago, I kind of got nervous, Like, y'all,
I've been such a big fan of these dudes, Like
I don't even know if I want to ask him.
And then I said, fuck it, that's making it real.
(00:36):
And he came through. I gave his wife my number
and she hit me up. Maybe a week later and
we're here, Man, Welcome to the show. The one and
only Lazy bone Man.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah this peace Man Leisure Leisure.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Earlier this year, y'all shared a picture together right here.
Take a look at that. What was that getting the
group back together and chopping it up?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Was what was that about?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
And that's that's that All Five Live right there, you
know what I mean. Like that's when you put that
hand up and you can give a smooth slap when
it's one of them, you know what I mean. But
when you ball that whole thing up and it's so powerful,
you know what I mean. So that's the All Five Live,
me and my brothers coming together to put the stamp
(01:20):
on the legacy. I love what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Anything in the works with the whole group.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Oh yeah, we definitely. We're definitely working on an album
right now. But just it's it's so much more than
just music, you know what I mean, Like the music,
the autobiography, the book, the movie, you know what I mean,
the rock and roll hall, the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
(01:44):
It's a lot of it's a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I love it in your mind like me and Matt,
you know, we we listen to Bonne New y'all legs.
But in your mind, what do you think you guys
are an impact that you had on hip hop?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I mean, you know, and in the most humble way
I can put it, I think bon Thugs in harmony
besides run DMC or NWA or ghetto Boys something like
that is probably the most influential group ever in bon
(02:26):
thus in harmony and hip hop and probably even music
because you know we up there in that category of
music too, because we changed the sound, we changed the look,
we changed. It was so many different dynamics that came
with bonb thus in Harmony that the ingredients we put
(02:46):
into the pot of gumbo that was already hip hop
before we came out in ninety four. It was like,
what we added is what it became.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Today and everybody, everybody, everybody, Uh, the style of ball
hormonizing and rapid fire rapping when you were when you
when you turn your voice to an instrument, what's the like,
what's the processing that? Because all y'all probably got singing
backgrounds before y'all start rapping.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know that's that's heavily influenced
through family, you know what I mean, Like Mama were
not not really church because you know, my grandmother and
them was your hope for witnesses and things like that. So, uh,
you know, our influence came from My whole family was singers.
My mom was a singer. That was my main influence,
(03:35):
you know, rest in peace. Just lost Moms not too
long ago, but it was it was really her guidance
through music and her love of music with the Temptations
and you know all that the music we grew up
to growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That they playing around the household.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, you know, cleaning up Sunday morning. You know you
gotta get your sweep on Sunday morning. You probably they
gonna put on easy like Sunday more on. Yeah, that
type of ship, which we just just did a new
single remake of the Commodorees line of Richies. Uh easy
like Sunday Morning too. So that's out right now. Y'all
(04:16):
can go check that out down thad to go to
Boone Thus and Harmony, Uh YouTube check it out.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Were working rap to this fan coming off YouTube.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
These dudes really talk all the rappers how to change
flows and wrapping different pockets on beat.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
You agree, absolutely, rap was just one way, you know,
dot dot dot dut dah. And then we did like
we changed the cadence. We changed the flows. We sped
it up, we slowed it down, we put the We
treated rap.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like a.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I would say, uh uh a stick shift you had.
We switched gears on niggas at all times, and we
all or do it differently, you know what I'm saying.
So that's the that's the beauty behind Bonds. It's five
of us with the same concept, which forms a mastermind.
We all think alike.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
In my mind, a lot of rappers today basically stole
y'all flow. And the ones that do that flow but
don't have they can't rap, I don't have no substance.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They call it mumble rap. You agree with that, That's
what I think they could.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
The one that, like everybody just stole y'all be people
been rapped, y'all been rapping it, that y'all created, everybody
doing it. But the ones that ain't really saying nothing,
they call it mumble rap instead of just saying they
took y'all style.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And that goes back to the cadence we gave to
hip hop, you know what I mean. Like you can
hear the melody now and just and just mumble and
it might sound something if if you got a little
voice behind it. But yeah, that's the cadence that we lend.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
To a lot of auto tune with them today too, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I mean yeah, But and then auto tune really like
it really didn't get close to auto tune. Yeah, but
you know, Mariah Carey did it before all the tunes
took over, you know what I mean. And that showed
you where busy Bones voice and the crazy Bones staccato
flow was coming from.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So yeah, man, we we linked that to the game
and rap was one way, and then what we added
to it, you know, gave it opened up ideas it
was Pandora's box.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know, everybody ran with it another fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I still think that Bone Thug have had more influence
on Mardern hip hop than any other group.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They were so ahead of their time. I agree what
you did.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I agree too. They definitely must be Bone fans, you
know what I mean. But yeah, man, I mean we
came out in nineteen ninety four. In nineteen ninety four,
like it wasn't you wasn't hearing people. You might have
heard twisted rapping fast. You know, his flow went one way.
(07:01):
Then you had Dye's effects, this bomb, sticky Bomb, sticky
bump Bom like all those things was different influences. But
we had the influence of like I was saying, the
seventies music, Marvin Gaye, Temptations, Michael Jackson new addition, we
grew up on all that type of stuff. So around
(07:22):
the burning barrel, not only was we rapping, you know
what I mean, but we were singing. We were singing
those songs too, just trying to stay warm while we
was on the block getting our money, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like the harmony, the flow, the cadences,
the switching gears, all that thing, all that came from
(07:45):
ten twelve, fifteen years of bomb thus and harmony being together.
Before you know, we was heard of. We had to
tape out Caught Faces of Death in Cleveland. Beforehand, we
had a song called flow Motion, which was ninety one
something like that, like way before our time.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I'm a jump line real quick, jack jel mind. One
of my favorite songs is break It Down. You mentioned
Mariah early, and I think it was you and Wish
on that song break it Down.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
It was originally it was Crazy and Wish and then
I was at it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Okay, So talk to us about that song and working
with someone like her.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
In all her greatness, I mean, well, Mariah Carey was
probably the first mega ultra super duper star that we
worked with like that, Yeah, to that magnetuo, you know
what I mean, Like we that studio session we come in,
she got gifts that you wouldn't believe she'd give a nigga,
(08:49):
you know, I mean, like just expensive shit, just like
extra nice and and you know the way she studied
that from that first the way she was a tentative
in that session, you know what I mean, It was like,
let me know that she was paying attention in that
(09:09):
first session breakdown. So when we got to the next sessions,
she was full blown doing bone flows, you know what
I'm saying. So somebody of that stature became a student
of the music too, like which let me know back
then that we're doing some shit right, a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Of influence Cleveland, what's in the music DNA of Cleveland, oh.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Man, anywhere we come from. So run man, you gotta start.
You gotta start probably with Eddie LeVert Man, you know
what I mean, Like Cleveland, Ohio period. The funk come
from Ohio. I know it's a California thing and Snoop
Dogg and them defunk and all that, but all them
(09:56):
vibes come from Ohio. Man, you know, Roger Troutman Ohio players.
Uh all that funk so Eddie LeVert and then we
was an R and B town for a long time
because you had LeVert, you had rude boys men at
large like Cleveland, we been on the scene. But yeah, lord, yeah,
(10:23):
I just put that song out on the picture on
ig for my mom.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Well, so we used to sing all they songs, you know,
we had club style one O eight was it only
came on Saturdays in Cleveland, like when I first started
listening to hip hop early eighties and things like that.
So I've been through every fad, every fad you can
(10:48):
think of, and hip hop, I've been there, you know
what I mean, from starting from New run DMC through
the new Edition singing theres and mixing it with Michael
Jackson and run them see up to the beastie boys
is man. We we've been through all all all five decades.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Cleveland. Uh tough upbringing? Uh Midwest? Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Any truth that you had a bullet you got shot
in the head and the doctor nicknamed you iron head?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah man, these whole ass niggas shot.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah sixteen, tell us what tell us about that story?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I mean, you know, fans that do know me, they
know that. You know, back in the days, you know,
we was hustling. That's what our music was about. That's
the life we was living. So we was hustling. I
come home from jail, me and my brother walking up
the street one night. Some niggas jump out of you go,
mistaking me for another light skinned nigga.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Happened a lot to us.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, So what happened was we fell out. They you know,
they got out. I had some mace. I sprayed the guy.
I tried to run because I seen the gun turned around. Boom,
get hitting the head. Long story short, you know, my
brother saved my life that day, Flesh and Bonus, my
oldest brother, you know what I'm saying. So he got
(12:16):
me to the hospital. And that's when I viowed it
like I ain't I ain't fucking with sulling dope no more.
You know, I'm gonna just really put it into this
music thing. And and that's what really turned my life
all the way around. I still got into trouble a
little bit more after that, but that that iron Head
(12:37):
message woke my ass up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So you're Flesh Blood brothers.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yeah, same mama.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You kind of you kind of looked like it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, Flesh, Flesh My he my big brother.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He taught he taught me you know everything I know
really about counting my money and you know, going to
school because my brother used to play ball, you know
what I mean. So basketball is one of our things.
I ain't never really had a grade, but always you know,
got some hindles and shit.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Explain the bloodline in the family line between the.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Group, Well, Flesh is my oldest brother, my mom's oldest son,
my pop's oldest son. Which Bone is my cousin with
my eyes sweet no Me and Crazy Bone best friend
since seventh grade. Which turns out my mama went to
(13:34):
school with his dad, and you know, so when all
that hooked up, it was a big old family. And
then Busy Bone was the last member to come into
Bone Well we was born enterprise at the time, but
he was the last member to come in being the youngest.
So this was like ninety one, and my mom met
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his dad and he ended up living with us, you know,
and we.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Thought y'all was brothers.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, everybody think, you know, they say the light skin
look alike, man, but you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
All the time, the swag y'all had the rain ponchos,
the junko jeans, the ski goggles.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Where did all that come from? That was just what
y'all grew up with.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I mean, you know, well, well we grew up. Like
I said, I've been through every fat so I did
the Adidas and all that. But at that time, by
the time we came out, we was full blown on
reading all the war, reading mcavelly, you know what I'm saying,
and just really on some it might be the end
(14:39):
of the world in nineteen ninety nine, so we got
to get our can goods together and save our money.
Y two k right, it We was on. We was
on preparing for We always been on some soldier stuff,
you know. Never no gang shit, but always on like
it's all us our music against everybody, like we had to.
(15:04):
We went against street niggas because we can rap. Niggas
thought we had money when we didn't have money, you
know what I mean. So it was always like we
was always humbled by the game, you know what I mean.
It wasn't never no braggadocious bone thugs and harmony, you
know what I'm saying. It was always humble crossroads. If
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I could teach the world, change the world. You know,
all these messages we sprinkled in on top of we'd
bust your motherfucking head over, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
So Cleveland sports fan growing up, Cleveland period all day.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Well you know basketball, well, Cleveland Browns all day, every day.
Oh my god, that's a long story, but you know basketball,
I was a Showtime Lakers fan first and foremost, you
know what I mean. And Cleveland, you know all hometown teams.
(16:04):
You know, Cleveland is the city. So that run through
our blood, through and through.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So what do you think about what they're doing to
the door right now?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I mean, I don't get into no type of politics,
but me personally, I think it's I think it's wrong.
You know what I mean. I think because his father
is who his father is, and I grew up watching
show Time, you know what I'm saying. So the braggadocio
(16:33):
is uh, you know that intimidated a lot of people,
I think, you know what I mean, But uh, I
think they should get it. I think they should get
a little nigga a shot. You know, Gabriel did good
last week, you know what I mean, he showed up,
he did his thing. But uh, we all want to
(16:54):
see sha door. The hood wanted to see sha door.
We want to see what he can do if he
since you know, you slid him down so far, try
to take the money out of his pockets. But you
know he come from money, so you know the issue.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Were you Charles growing up? Hell?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah? From the town?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, man, we used to it was a spot called
Togo Sweet in Cleveland. So when we first made it,
you know that, oh he was at his end of
his career, but he frequent you know, in Cleveland. Him
the Wishball used to hang out all the time. Man
at the Togo Sweet. I'd be like, man, wish that
nigga got a game? You got a show man, y'all
(17:34):
gotta come on, mind, it's time to go.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
One way ticket to LA reports. You were homeless for
a few months. At what age did you say it's
time to make a move.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I had went to California back in like nineteen ninety.
I had ran away from home. I got myself in
some trouble in eighty nine and caused me to have
to go to Texas. So I came out here at
LA in eighty nine. But I finally decided once I
(18:10):
got back home got my group back together from my
first mishap that we should get out of there. And
that was like ninety two. My friend Wally, who the
Crossroads was originally about, he got murdered breaking up another
person's fight, you know what I'm saying. So when he
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got murdered, that's the year. That ninety nine for us
was like the wild wild West. So you know, it
was that summer Walley got murdered, and I'm like, man,
we gotta get the fuck out of here, you know
what I mean. So I had set a date November
twenty third, nineteen ninety three. Wally got killed this summer
(18:53):
of ninety two. So November twenty third, ninety three, we
left Cleveland and one way but us tickets that whole story,
you know, were selling weed. My brother bought the bus tickets,
you know what I mean. He because he was playing
ball in Alleghany, and then because he went to college
and went to Alleghany while the rest of us were
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still on the block. Our plan was always for him
to go to the NBA. And you know, he was
a rapper and all that type of stuff, so we
was thinking like that we're gonna become rappers. He gonna
be in the NBA. We went to uh when we
went out to well, he went out to California. That's
(19:35):
when the bright idea came because he he he did it.
He rapped against Uh. I forget which one of them
was from Minutes Minutes to Society. I think it was
the one that was came Yeah, I think, I think.
I don't know which one it was, but uh, my
brother ended up rapping against someone out here. So he
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called me on the pay phone back in Cleveland. Nigga's
on the block, like, hey man, your brother on the phone.
He like, man, I gotta get y'all out here because
I just rap against this nigga and ate his ass up,
you know what I'm saying. So that's when the plan
went in the motion. So that was like ninety this
summer of ninety two, well, my brother we graduated ninety two,
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so summer of ninety three the plan went into effect.
By ninety November we was we left. So November to February,
we was homeless. So homeless meaning that you know, we
had my brother had a couple homeboys shout out to
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Big Mark who fi my nigga died Rest in peace
and his family was from out here. Don's family, so
they used to let us stay in they little shed.
They had a little shed in the back where we
rolled our wraps and shit at so at night we
could stay in the shed. During the day, we just
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walking around and niggas just knew we wasn't from around.
We was out there in Mansfield. Cript They like, hey, homie,
if you gonna if you're gonna be out here, you're
gonna claim something. I'm like, nah, nigga, we ain't gonna
be here long. Like, nah, we ain't gonna do that
because you know, we rap. It was like, well rap
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blood nigga. I'm like, but labit a minute. It put
a niggaas you better go check mama. And they was like,
oh yeah, I'm gonna take your over Tone Low House nigga.
I know where he lived. And and then and that's
when it all started coming together.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You know, well take us down that path because I
read something that Tone Lok didn't really take to y'all
off the rip.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I mean, we was filed though, now that I think
about it, we was file as fuck. Man. We showed
up the Tone Low House like at ten o'clock in
the morning, you know, we just yeah, just niggas say
they know where Tone Low lived. They point we just
trying to get on. And I never knew how fire
it was until it happened to me. Somebody walked up
(22:05):
to my door like hey, lazy balling up, like, man,
get you better get the fuck away from her dog.
That's going on with you now. So Tom Loake come
out the house. We knock it on the nigga door.
He come out. He's smoking a blunt too. Loake's song
him and him and some big goon nigga he had,
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and he come out and he like, we like, man,
we rap, you know what I mean, Like we wanted,
but he did take the time to listen to us.
But don't you know, it was early in the morning.
We walked up. We had a nigga door. He probably
wasn't even eating breakfast. He wasn't finish his blunt because
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it was burning. And then yeah, we walked up to him,
but you know, he really didn't remember it when I
brought it to his attention, but he was like, I
really couldn't do nothing for y'all. Anyway, y'all went the
right way, you know what I mean. So we ironed
that out. You know, I used to black Man that
(23:07):
Nigga ain't put us on man. You know how when
you're young, you're man. You just want to beyond, you
don't You're not considerate of what other people may be
going through.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know when the.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
First first word to come to mind when I mentioned
some of your your group mates, busy, what's the first
thing to come to mind?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Wow, live wire, energy, wish, lieutenant at arms, soldier, you know,
general flesh, intelligent, hmm uh, smart, brilliant, mhmm, yeah, no,
(23:52):
he know a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What would they say about you?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Oh, man, I'm just the glue. I'm the peacemaker, I'm
the libra, I'm the skills of the situation.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
What's the story of you being kidnapped or excuse me,
busy being kidnap excuse me? And uh finding out through
America's most wanted episode?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Well, you know what, I really don't you know, he
really never talked about what happened to him, You know
what I mean? Like, so Busy is from Columbus, Ohio.
You know, so all that drama he went through, all
that trauma, all everything he went through then was the
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days before us. He came to us. You know, I
knew it was some family issues and all that. My
mother took him in and was a friend of his dad's,
you know what I mean. So how I met Busy
was actually I met him in school first, because everybody
was talking about this light skinned kid, you know, knew
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in school and blah blah blah. But my mom kept
telling me, it's this little boy. I want you to
meet this kid. I want you to meet that can
sing and can rap. Because I was already doing my
thing in Cleveland. I had we had a name. We
was the Bandaid Boys. We was the band Aid Boys
in junior high and we dominated everything. Then then we
(25:26):
became Born Enterprise after that, and then we became born
Thugs in Harmony. But uh, back to what you were
saying about Busy, we didn't know all that, so we
didn't you know, I didn't know none of that went
on until the ship came on America's Most Warning because
(25:48):
Busy had left tour. You know, so we've been through
a lot of ups and downs. It's a lot of
things that led to different things, you know, easy e
dine Busy we left tour, you know, we was confused.
We ain't had no mentors.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We ain't. You know.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
It wasn't no blueprints, no game playing. Some niggas from
the streets told and all kind of just doing all
whatever money that allowed us to do, you know what
I mean. But we was holding down. We still stayed business.
But we had a foot in the streets too. So
when Busy walked off tour and I had negotiated solo deals,
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you know what I mean, Busy and Crazy was ready.
So put Busy album out, put Crazy album out, and
put Flesh album out solo, and that's when everything was
going good. And then you know, Easy passed away. We
had the most ug family thing going and we were
(26:58):
selling millions of records right there. And then Easy died,
Busy left, and then the America's Most Wanted shit came
on TV out of nowhere. Because I hadn't, I didn't
know what b was going through. You know, it was
personal demons, whatever whatever it may be. I always tried
(27:22):
to understand, like what it was, because I looked at
what God gave us. Remember, I had been shot the head,
I had been in jail. I was the first nigga
that to wear the handcuffs and behind bars in my
generation of so I had learned all that shit early,
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so I was trying to understand busy. So when that happened,
it was like we was fucking shocked, man, it was,
you know. And then and B went on a rampage
for another couple of years, and I never really we
never really got to sit down and talk about, you know,
(28:06):
those type of deep things in life. Life was moving
so fast, man. We was shit. We was November twenty third,
we went to California. February, we was with Easy E.
Ninety four, Uh June Thuggish Ruggish Bone came out July
we platinum. Uh shit, then skipped fast Ahead and out
(28:31):
we on another album each nineteen ninety nine. We recording
that motherfucker It's coming out, Bang bang bang. Easy E died.
We only knew him for fifteen months in the flesh,
you know what I'm saying. Like we was with him
every day in the flesh for fifth like fifteen months,
almost every day, and then he died, you know what
(28:54):
I mean. So while all these things was happening, all
these things was happening so fast, we never really so
we was tight like this fist right, and then shit
start happening, and the fists start loosening up, you know,
the team start coming apart. Because the one that was
(29:17):
protecting us Easy he did he did so the one
he kept us away from everybody, he put us with,
you know, the black Hole, the WATS and GBM, different
people he felt that we can we could be comfortable around.
But when he left, it was like it was us
against uh uh presidents of the company and people that
(29:42):
uh that Judges was putting in place, you know what
I'm saying. So it was like Nigga was twenty one
years old, went from welfare first of the month to
this mother I could check three hundred eight four hundred
(30:02):
thousand dollars, you know what I'm saying. So, like no guidance,
no playbook. It's a wonder we're still here. But I
didn't know that about Busy Bone. Back to your question,
and that shit was a shock so much. But now
I analyze in hindsight, like how fast things were moving.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
A lot of people thinks he found y'all, but y'all
started him out.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What's that story?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah, we found easy eat Man.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Like when and what year was that?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
This was nineteen ninety three, Okay, nineteen ninety three. So
when we was on the block in nineteen ninety three
preparing to leave, we was hustling. Okay, we leaving November
twenty third. Our goal was to me Easy.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh you'd already had that play.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
We was like because they were you know, the dog
Pound Death Row. It was like always admired the CEO
of the company, the the little j the Russell Simmons,
you know what I mean. Like, so I'm day like,
who you would you rather be with? Nigga Easy eat
the underdog and we could outrap, we could outrap all
(31:11):
these niggas. I'd rather be with Easy. So we sought
out to look for Easy. Called him every day while
we was in California, told everybody on the block, nigga,
we gonna uh were going to meet Easy. And when
we come back, we shooting the video and it's like, nigga,
you ain't gonna beet No Easy met Easy came back
(31:35):
to shoot the video, you know what I mean. So
Cleveland was on fire. Everything we said we was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
What was his He's always known as from what we
read in here, just the business mind and and someone
that always had a vision. What was it like once
you connected with him, and what kind of guidance he
give y'all.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I mean, you would think from see we from back
in the days, like fame was a lot more bigger,
you know, like now everybody's we all on the internet,
so it feel closer. But to be to meet an
easy Eve from Cleveland, Ohio and back then, it was
(32:17):
like a huge, huge thing, you know what I'm saying.
So Easy he was like, you'll think, fuck the police
and all that. But I really found out that he
had a love for kids because my son was with
me when I was out there homeless. My son was
like a year two years old, maybe I had him
(32:41):
with me, and Easy he would take him. And I
noticed that, like he'd just come get come get him,
take him to go get Pisa and shit like that.
And you know, he was a humble kind ass man,
you know what I mean, Like the type of nigga
that to give his shoes to you off his feed,
like you good, you know, the most important nigga in
(33:04):
the room, always asks you are you okay? You need anything?
That type of that type of mentality. So he was.
He was a great human man and he was a
real nigga. He stood up for you know, he told
it like it was street reporting the same way we
came and that's what we got it from street reporting.
(33:26):
Talk about what you see in your life.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
When he got stick. Is it true that he told
was getting back together?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Oh, we knew they was getting back together. We was
watching the phone calls. Shit, we was there. Uh, we
was there with him and Cube talk. He like nigga.
He like nigga. Y'all niggas can't fuck with me and
my group. We like, man, we'll smash y'all old niggas
like he like going on. He started wearing his braids back.
(33:56):
He was in our group then, Yeah, you know what
I mean for them last world months, Yeah, for the
last few months he was. He was in bomb but yeah, man,
he yeah he was. He was that nigga. Man, I
forgot what the fuck We was just saying.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
What was the process of making people want to come
up for the love money and know the whole album,
Like what kind of mold j'all was in because that's
some classic ship. So y'all, you know, I know, when
you're in the basketball, you gotta you're hitting shots like
you go into a zone like that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
When y'all making that album, Y're in the zone.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
So we we was in the zone because you know,
you gotta think we was. We was a group ten
years before we got it to Easy Eat. So we
had material on top of material on top of material.
You know, It's like when you when you go when ship,
(34:50):
when you're going for your tryouts and ship like that,
like you've been all your life, You've been in the gym,
like nigga, I'm finished, show out, you know what I'm
saying that That's what it was. We was prepared. We
went in the studio, it was so much energy easy.
He let us do whatever we wanted to do. He
had put us with producers, you know, Yeller and all
(35:15):
them producers that you know that soaked our vibe up.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
What was it like though, I mean, because in essence,
what you told us was you basically went from homeless
to platinum in about six months. I mean, that's absolutely insane.
When you guys, was there a moment where you said,
kind of, dann we made it? Was it that time
when did you kind of feel like y'all had officially
made your mark?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
So we after we finished the album, it was a
little time period that we went back to Cleveland to
get our lives settled because we didn't have nowhere to
live and or none of that shit.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So hold on. So you was making classic music, but still.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
We were still homeless. We was living in whatever hotel
easy he put us in in or whatever house he
put us in. But we was crazy. We kept getting
put out of ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So trying to figure it out. So you been at home,
got straight.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
We went home, and when I knew we was when
we made it because we were still riding the bus.
We called the bus to rt A in Cleveland. So
we was on the rt A like I don't forgot
where we was going, but we was on the r
t A and the Nigga roll passing the Regal playing
Thugish Ruggish Bomb. It was on the radio. We outter,
(36:35):
We hanging out the bus window like Nigga, that's our song.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
That's the first time the radio, very first time we
heard it on the radio.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
He on, He on Dayton's Regal t tops in that motherfucker.
We on the bus like Nigga, that's our song. He
like this ain't y'all niggas song that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Seem that seemed definitely got to be in the movie.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's some golden moments in it
for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Uh only artists to record with Biggie poking easy and
pun to big Zach, give me a moment from being
in the studio.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Each one of them go Biggie first.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Well, Biggie first, So Biggie, that whole situation was. That
was a wild day. Man. It was the whole bad boy,
the whole more Thug family.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Everybody was.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
We was about fifty deep in the studio, in the
room no bigger than this smoked out, smoked out dranking hennessy.
You know that's when uh thug passion and all that
ship was to drink yeah him, not mixed him nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah yeah so we uh.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, man, I that day I fell asleep and I
went in the limo and fell asleep. So I had
woke up out my sleeping and one time just ace
my verse, you know what I mean, just dropped my ship.
But I remember that session because Puffy Little Seas Stevie,
(38:10):
j all my mo thug homeboys and I had came
with a lot of weed that day and I, you know,
set it on the count set it on the council
when you go in, like ship, what y'all want, Let's
get it going. You know, it's a nigga biggie. I
catch him keep putting my weed in this pop he
(38:32):
like he like, he like, yeah, he like your bones.
I'm like, hey man, I'm like, man, quit putting my
weed in your pocket beat man.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But that was the.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Funny part to me that I never forget about that session.
I wasn't in the studio when Pop is his. Yeah,
the first time I met Park, we was at the
Park Hotel on uh somewhere off Sunset, And I'll never
forget it because I went and bought uh a bens
(39:05):
just like Park after I've seen him pull up on
me the way he pulled up on me in the
five double O Gas Black five double O Bens. I
went and got a ruby Redwin but uh, yeah, he
pulled up on me. Man, he had just got out too,
and he was before we did the remix the Crossroads.
(39:26):
He had just got out and he pulled up in
front of the hotel. I'm like, Nigga, that's Pop. I'm
telling my brother, like, Nigga, that's Pop. Like like so,
I go over there. I'm like, Pop, where the weed at?
He go up under his seat, grab a Philly box,
put a bunch of weed in my hand, and shit.
We go up to his room and it's the Outlaws
(39:50):
bone like. That was my very first time meeting me
man and he talked about the thug nation and putting
this whole nationwide group to get other and all that
ship and that was my first impression to Pop like
he he was mastered playing and some ship.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Groups groups.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tell me a little bit about each of these groups,
Wang what they meant to you guys?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I mean Wu Tang, you know what I mean. That's
that's a group that Wu Tang is a group that
we always can measure our level of success up to,
you know what I mean, because it's brown about the
same time. You know, uh, them all my dudes, now man,
we had you know, we all grown ghost face method man,
(40:41):
all of them Rizzard Like, we're all good now, you
know what I mean. But we had a fight with
them niggas one day at uh it was Russell Simmons
Christmas party. We had a fight with them. We had
and the reason why we grab grapping like a motherfucker.
(41:01):
We was afraid. We was fighting fighting over what happened.
Niggas wasn't no suckers. We wasn't neither though. We was
in New York, so they had the upper hand on
the nigga. But now what happened was we was Uh.
We had did a song called Everyday Thing on the
show soundtrack, and Russell Simmons was having a Christmas party
(41:24):
Flesh and Bone had just signed he was moped up
death Jam, so we was invited. We got there early.
By the time we we was in that motherfucker with
our shirts offt dance and turned up drinking. And by
the time you know, they got there a little late
(41:44):
and pushing was going on through the crowd. The niggas
came in, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushed the wrong niggas started
to fight. Bobbers got the flying niggas start running and
jumping by bars, and then they never played our song
that night until that fight broke out. I'll never forget it.
(42:07):
It's an everyday thing when you let you not tng
and uh, yeah, so we had you. That's who tanged man,
that's my method. Man. He did save our life that night. Yeah,
them were serious. Huh. Yeah, thats just serious, man. That's
(42:30):
all I'm gonna say about that.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Our cast.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Man. I love our cast, I love I love Dre,
I love I love them niggas man, I mean the
most colorful group, another group of our genre of our
in our era that we can measure ourselves up against
the say we did pretty good, you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, hat soft much respect to them. You know,
(42:57):
I think Andre three thousand is one of the greatest
hardest ever. You know big Boy too, you know what
I mean with his pimp flow. So yeah, man, I
love our cast. Run that's what we get it from.
I started writing they wraps down like okay, you know
what I mean. That's how it starts structuring ship just right,
(43:20):
like remember they wrap catch it on the radio. You
got catch it recorded, then you stop pause, write it down,
stop pause writing down, So run demc them them the
fathers y U GK man, you know got a pocket
full of stars. Come on, man, you know what I
(43:41):
mean way back when you know what I mean, like
when I was on the block, pocket full of stones.
UGK them was them niggas is part of my childhood
in the way to where my money Carlo really really
really really got a lot to beat up out of them,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
So I Love You, GK ninety nine four times platinum,
almost won the Grammy obviously Crossroads.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
What was y'all all?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
So you said that was dedicated to one of your homeboys.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yeah, my homeboy Wally, Yeah, good friend of mine, best friend.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
So that reaches number one on the top one hundred
one Best Rap Performance a Duo in ninety seven at
the Grammys.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
What was it like getting that first Grammy?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
I mean, shit, it was really it was. It wasn't
even like a dream come true. It was like being
inside of a dream, you know what I mean, like
not really realizing the weight that that carried at the time,
but just like we won a trophy, I mean, like
(44:47):
getting that when you hoist that championship trophy, like you're
still in the dream. But in hindsight, it was just
like whoever, who would ever thought some kids and Cleveland
ninety nine. Everybody said we couldn't do it. So we've
been going against the grain the whole time, you know
(45:10):
what I mean. So that that was the first solidification
of well, you know, making it, then selling records, but
then getting the accolade amongst your peers. It was a
whole nother level, like, okay, now that's when I start
thinking about a brand. It wasn't until the end it
(45:31):
I even considered that we were a brand.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Are you the one?
Speaker 4 (45:35):
The kind of that's what you were to the group
kind of just seeing the vision in the future of
everything behind the scenes on the business side.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
I think we all played the intricate part in seeing
the vision, but I think I played more of the
easy e role, you know what I'm saying, Like my
job to me, my job was to always do the
politic and like my verse, I had my verse done
(46:04):
like crazy Bond to sit there and he'd come with
some harmonies and mastermind the whole song. I had my
shit together, boom boom boom. But I'm off to come
talk to y'all so I can get this next play
going for this next thing we got going. So that's
that's me. So a lot of my flak, our fans
(46:25):
even they called me. They they labeled me the glue, like, oh,
you the glue because you know I've been there. But
you know, I feel I feel like in a lot
of ways, you know, I started this ship. So it's
my duty to look after my brothers and whatever it takes,
you know.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Goddamn right, victorious thug. What was it like when that hit.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
Man? That shit, That shit was so huge, man, it
was like it was a rebirth on a whole nother level,
you know what I mean? Because for one, when we
recorded the song, Biggie never did his verse that night
he took the ship home. After he did, Busy did his,
Crazy did his, then I did mine.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Then it was.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Probably like two in the morning. We all kicking it.
He was like, yo, yoa, I'm gonna take this home.
Were like, we tried to get him to do it.
He was like no, So now we know why he
took it home. He wasn't studied.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But when it.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Came out, though, that was the first time you heard it.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
When it came out, the.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
First time we heard it, Yeah, and he had he
was dead. He passed away, so we didn't hear the
complete song until after he passed. The song came out
after he passed away, so to hear him come like
he came, that was That's when New York started fucking
with us, do you know. I mean, like before then
(47:57):
we'd go do shows and we're probably sell out bb kings,
but our crowds, like New York was hard on Cleveland
rappers or other rappers period, you know what I'm saying.
So the door, Yeah, that song kicked the dough in
for us. Thank you, big, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
First of the Month, I mean still viral on social media.
Playbo Cardi took a line from it. I mean, did
you ever think that that song would do what it's done?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
I mean, ship the game did it to him and
Chris Brown. We're having a celebration. Yeah, man, No, I
mean that's just that was just our way of life. No,
I mean the first of the month, that's what we're
waiting on, you know what I mean, were waiting to
re up, We waiting put the food on the grill.
(48:51):
It's like that was a holiday back then, back when, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like that's that's when we
grew up knowing like it's different now, but back then,
you know that government assistance sometimes that was the only
way we ate. And then when the crack everydemic came through,
(49:13):
this show the nigga how to double that. So it's
like yeah, yeah, but the first of the money, I
think is always gonna be relevant because you get a
paycheck on the first of the money.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
You know, when you sit back today, and as athletes
were always programmed to just what's next, what's next? I'm
sure and your profession is similar when you sit back
now and kind of look back on your journey and
dudes from Cleveland off the block and what you've been
able to accomplish, from the accolades to the millions and
millions apart, millions of record sos. Legends're gonna be inducted
(49:47):
to the Hall of Fame soon. Like what do you think.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
Well, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna stick to entertainment, you
know what I mean. I think I think entertainment as
far as movies. You know what I mean. I'm a writer,
so I write scripts, I write poetry, and you know,
(50:14):
and my life is basically based around being creative writing
and you know, coming up with different ideas and you know,
so my future is looking like I'm dabbling in everything, man,
you know what I mean. I got the first of
the month's script movie written down, seventy one script written
(50:35):
one called ball and written. So producing my own music, music, movies,
my own clothes, clothing, lazy gear. You know, my last
name is house, so I make house shoes. I started
to come in my house shoes and house coach today,
but I would freak y'all out. Next time. I'm gonna
(50:57):
bring y'all something. And I did get some gifts for y'all.
What you got as far as uh bomb dougs and
harmony merchandise. We appreciate big niggas. I don't know, yo,
mo back.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
To hang it on the wall.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
There you go, Jack, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
I don't know exactly what's saying, and I just stuff
and real quick.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
To appreciate you. All right. We got quick hitters. First
thing to come to mind, oh ship, and so we
got one for you too, Smoke Drip the smoke Drip.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
I got books and everything.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Quick hitters, first thing to come to mind.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Let us know your thoughts. Who are your top five
rap groups of all time?
Speaker 5 (51:45):
Rap groups run DMC, Beastie Boys, Ghetto Boys, n W
A Damn. It's a split between Public Enemy and Boogie
(52:08):
Down productions. So you know I had one of them.
Got to share.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
One one album that you can listen to with no skips.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
East nineteen ninety ninety to Chronic was our cast first album. Yeah, sir,
Yeah that one, that couple of Wayne's, couple of t I's. Man,
(52:42):
you know, it's some classics out here.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I was talking to somebody the other day.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
They forgot how cold Tiya was shocking Jaman and Ship
today that she woke me up.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
T I one of my favorite artists too.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, that's a good question. Who is some of your
favorite artists?
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Oh? Man, the ship all time? You know we gonna
Michael Jackson from Old School Man new addition, you know
what I mean ship If we're talking about last couple
of decades, Lil Wayne, t I, I got independent artists
(53:19):
that I really like, Like Dizzy right, my nephew. I
really get into his shitty from the heart man, it's
it's I love music, really like every genre of music.
I really get into it. And I and I and
I take elements from everywhere.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Your childhood crush, your child who's your who's your childhood crush?
Ah man, or maybe when you first got in the game,
you're like, damn, I got to meet her.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Damn. I don't know shit. I think everybody say, Holly Berry, huh,
everybody say that.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
We'll need to give us a list that's a safe ony. Uh,
five dinner guests U plus five people dead are alive?
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Who's coming to your table?
Speaker 5 (54:09):
Mm hmm coming to my table outside of your group?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Okay, outside excluded?
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Get uh, let me see that I need to talk
to Uh. I want to talk to Barack Obama. He
gotta come to dinner. I need Lebrin at the table
that's home. Yeah, probably want to talk to Malcolm and
(54:39):
Martin that's four. And then put a little bit of
Jesus in there and let me see what he got,
what he got to say about this, this unification at
the dinner table, this next supper.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, if you can see one guest on our show,
who would it be?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
But you have to help us get your answer on
our show.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
So somebody you know that you want to see on
our show and you're gonna hit him up and tell him, like, yo,
I just did this show.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You come.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You should come fuck with them too.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I don't know. Y'all have had so many folks on
Fat Joe. Y'all seen y'all talk to Fat Joe.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, Joe had some stories.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
Joe be fucking up stories, y'all see Joe, Lady, my
uncle Georgia, my uncle georgia'all yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
The whole song.
Speaker 5 (55:30):
But yeah, man, but Joe, I go back with Joe
so far, you know, I mean like since the beginning
of the Relativity days when when he first signed we
was in his first video Dope. Yeah. So yeah, man, Joe,
he them stories. He gotta be real as the nigga
been everywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Finish it up?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Finished?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Oh I'm tripping them high. Yeah we finished?
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Is it? Man?
Speaker 4 (56:01):
We appreciate you coming through today. Best of luck with everything.
If you need us for anything and any promotion anything,
you know, man, we're huge.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, Jack act I didn't want to throw it out there.
I want to water.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
So all them scripts you got if you need something.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, what kind of role would you play?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
It don't even matter, sucker. I can't.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Talk to a lot of people in the in the music,
I mean in the acting business. Said try to pick
roles that's closer to you. So I can't play no, sucker.
He said, he got a.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Roll for your cat.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
We can't do no sucking shot at all, at all, none. Zero.
I got a cold uncle roll for you.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, come on, man, uncle fire ready.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
I'm already with it. So finishing off real man.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
We appreciate you, man, congratulations the success, amazing career, new music,
your a legend.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
It was the honor for you to sit down with
us today.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
Man, so best of luck, and I just want to say, uh,
the Bone album is coming soon, you know, the Bone
Thug the Bible Basic Constructions before leaving Earth, and uh,
my new solo record is called Dash the dashing between
your death day, your birthday and your death day at
the time, I'm talking about life, so you know, keep
(57:20):
supporting Bone Thugs and harmony. I appreciate y'all for having me.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Man.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
Y'all some real g's appreciate you and I love you know,
being able to intertwine with the realist and appreciate that.
And I hope I gave y'all all the smoke.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
We appreciate it. That's Lazy Bone on all the Smoke.
Speaker 4 (57:37):
You can catch this on All the Smoke Productions YouTube
and the Draft Kings Network.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
We'll see all that sweet.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Mm hmm
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Fo
Welcome back all the smoke. Have we decided? What season?
This is? Season six? Jay? We got six seasons. Bros.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Your nails look nice, you got them done.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah, I get shiny buff. No policies, shiny buff.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Okay, you live in Atlanta, So I just had to ask.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yeah, it's good you asked. But you know you know
me better than Yeah. I thought I did, but I do. Man,
Welcome to the show. And I tell I was just
telling bro, like I'll ask anybody to come on our show.
But when I seen him at the softball game like
two weeks ago, I kind of got nervous, Like, y'all,
I've been such a big fan of these dudes, Like
I don't even know if I want to ask him.
And then I said, fuck it, that's making it real.
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And he came through. I gave his wife my number
and she hit me up. Maybe a week later and
we're here, Man, Welcome to the show. The one and
only Lazy bone Man.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah this peace Man Leisure Leisure.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Earlier this year, y'all shared a picture together right here.
Take a look at that. What was that getting the
group back together and chopping it up?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Was what was that about?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
And that's that's that All Five Live right there, you
know what I mean. Like that's when you put that
hand up and you can give a smooth slap when
it's one of them, you know what I mean. But
when you ball that whole thing up and it's so powerful,
you know what I mean. So that's the All Five Live,
me and my brothers coming together to put the stamp
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on the legacy. I love what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Anything in the works with the whole group.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Oh yeah, we definitely. We're definitely working on an album
right now. But just it's it's so much more than
just music, you know what I mean, Like the music,
the autobiography, the book, the movie, you know what I mean,
the rock and roll hall, the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
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It's a lot of it's a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I love it in your mind like me and Matt,
you know, we we listen to Bonne New y'all legs.
But in your mind, what do you think you guys
are an impact that you had on hip hop?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I mean, you know, and in the most humble way
I can put it, I think bon Thugs in harmony
besides run DMC or NWA or ghetto Boys something like
that is probably the most influential group ever in bon
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thus in harmony and hip hop and probably even music
because you know we up there in that category of
music too, because we changed the sound, we changed the look,
we changed. It was so many different dynamics that came
with bonb thus in Harmony that the ingredients we put
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into the pot of gumbo that was already hip hop
before we came out in ninety four. It was like,
what we added is what it became.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Today and everybody, everybody, everybody, Uh, the style of ball
hormonizing and rapid fire rapping when you were when you
when you turn your voice to an instrument, what's the like,
what's the processing that? Because all y'all probably got singing
backgrounds before y'all start rapping.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know that's that's heavily influenced
through family, you know what I mean, Like Mama were
not not really church because you know, my grandmother and
them was your hope for witnesses and things like that. So, uh,
you know, our influence came from My whole family was singers.
My mom was a singer. That was my main influence,
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you know, rest in peace. Just lost Moms not too
long ago, but it was it was really her guidance
through music and her love of music with the Temptations
and you know all that the music we grew up
to growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That they playing around the household.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, you know, cleaning up Sunday morning. You know you
gotta get your sweep on Sunday morning. You probably they
gonna put on easy like Sunday more on. Yeah, that
type of ship, which we just just did a new
single remake of the Commodorees line of Richies. Uh easy
like Sunday Morning too. So that's out right now. Y'all
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can go check that out down thad to go to
Boone Thus and Harmony, Uh YouTube check it out.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Were working rap to this fan coming off YouTube.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
These dudes really talk all the rappers how to change
flows and wrapping different pockets on beat.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
You agree, absolutely, rap was just one way, you know,
dot dot dot dut dah. And then we did like
we changed the cadence. We changed the flows. We sped
it up, we slowed it down, we put the We
treated rap.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like a.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I would say, uh uh a stick shift you had.
We switched gears on niggas at all times, and we
all or do it differently, you know what I'm saying.
So that's the that's the beauty behind Bonds. It's five
of us with the same concept, which forms a mastermind.
We all think alike.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
In my mind, a lot of rappers today basically stole
y'all flow. And the ones that do that flow but
don't have they can't rap, I don't have no substance.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They call it mumble rap. You agree with that, That's
what I think they could.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
The one that, like everybody just stole y'all be people
been rapped, y'all been rapping it, that y'all created, everybody
doing it. But the ones that ain't really saying nothing,
they call it mumble rap instead of just saying they
took y'all style.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
And that goes back to the cadence we gave to
hip hop, you know what I mean. Like you can
hear the melody now and just and just mumble and
it might sound something if if you got a little
voice behind it. But yeah, that's the cadence that we lend.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
To a lot of auto tune with them today too, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I mean yeah, But and then auto tune really like
it really didn't get close to auto tune. Yeah, but
you know, Mariah Carey did it before all the tunes
took over, you know what I mean. And that showed
you where busy Bones voice and the crazy Bones staccato
flow was coming from.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So yeah, man, we we linked that to the game
and rap was one way, and then what we added
to it, you know, gave it opened up ideas it
was Pandora's box.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know, everybody ran with it another fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I still think that Bone Thug have had more influence
on Mardern hip hop than any other group.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They were so ahead of their time. I agree what
you did.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I agree too. They definitely must be Bone fans, you
know what I mean. But yeah, man, I mean we
came out in nineteen ninety four. In nineteen ninety four,
like it wasn't you wasn't hearing people. You might have
heard twisted rapping fast. You know, his flow went one way.
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Then you had Dye's effects, this bomb, sticky Bomb, sticky
bump Bom like all those things was different influences. But
we had the influence of like I was saying, the
seventies music, Marvin Gaye, Temptations, Michael Jackson new addition, we
grew up on all that type of stuff. So around
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the burning barrel, not only was we rapping, you know
what I mean, but we were singing. We were singing
those songs too, just trying to stay warm while we
was on the block getting our money, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like the harmony, the flow, the cadences,
the switching gears, all that thing, all that came from
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ten twelve, fifteen years of bomb thus and harmony being together.
Before you know, we was heard of. We had to
tape out Caught Faces of Death in Cleveland. Beforehand, we
had a song called flow Motion, which was ninety one
something like that, like way before our time.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I'm a jump line real quick, jack jel mind. One
of my favorite songs is break It Down. You mentioned
Mariah early, and I think it was you and Wish
on that song break it Down.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
It was originally it was Crazy and Wish and then
I was at it.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Okay, So talk to us about that song and working
with someone like her.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
In all her greatness, I mean, well, Mariah Carey was
probably the first mega ultra super duper star that we
worked with like that, Yeah, to that magnetuo, you know
what I mean, Like we that studio session we come in,
she got gifts that you wouldn't believe she'd give a nigga,
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you know, I mean, like just expensive shit, just like
extra nice and and you know the way she studied
that from that first the way she was a tentative
in that session, you know what I mean, It was like,
let me know that she was paying attention in that
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first session breakdown. So when we got to the next sessions,
she was full blown doing bone flows, you know what
I'm saying. So somebody of that stature became a student
of the music too, like which let me know back
then that we're doing some shit right, a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Of influence Cleveland, what's in the music DNA of Cleveland, oh.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Man, anywhere we come from. So run man, you gotta start.
You gotta start probably with Eddie LeVert Man, you know
what I mean, Like Cleveland, Ohio period. The funk come
from Ohio. I know it's a California thing and Snoop
Dogg and them defunk and all that, but all them
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vibes come from Ohio. Man, you know, Roger Troutman Ohio players.
Uh all that funk so Eddie LeVert and then we
was an R and B town for a long time
because you had LeVert, you had rude boys men at
large like Cleveland, we been on the scene. But yeah, lord, yeah,
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I just put that song out on the picture on
ig for my mom.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Well, so we used to sing all they songs, you know,
we had club style one O eight was it only
came on Saturdays in Cleveland, like when I first started
listening to hip hop early eighties and things like that.
So I've been through every fad, every fad you can
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think of, and hip hop, I've been there, you know
what I mean, from starting from New run DMC through
the new Edition singing theres and mixing it with Michael
Jackson and run them see up to the beastie boys
is man. We we've been through all all all five decades.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Cleveland. Uh tough upbringing? Uh Midwest? Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Any truth that you had a bullet you got shot
in the head and the doctor nicknamed you iron head?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah man, these whole ass niggas shot.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah sixteen, tell us what tell us about that story?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I mean, you know, fans that do know me, they
know that. You know, back in the days, you know,
we was hustling. That's what our music was about. That's
the life we was living. So we was hustling. I
come home from jail, me and my brother walking up
the street one night. Some niggas jump out of you go,
mistaking me for another light skinned nigga.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Happened a lot to us.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, So what happened was we fell out. They you know,
they got out. I had some mace. I sprayed the guy.
I tried to run because I seen the gun turned around. Boom,
get hitting the head. Long story short, you know, my
brother saved my life that day, Flesh and Bonus, my
oldest brother, you know what I'm saying. So he got
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me to the hospital. And that's when I viowed it
like I ain't I ain't fucking with sulling dope no more.
You know, I'm gonna just really put it into this
music thing. And and that's what really turned my life
all the way around. I still got into trouble a
little bit more after that, but that that iron Head
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message woke my ass up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So you're Flesh Blood brothers.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yeah, same mama.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You kind of you kind of looked like it.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, Flesh, Flesh My he my big brother.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He taught he taught me you know everything I know
really about counting my money and you know, going to
school because my brother used to play ball, you know
what I mean. So basketball is one of our things.
I ain't never really had a grade, but always you know,
got some hindles and shit.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Explain the bloodline in the family line between the.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Group, Well, Flesh is my oldest brother, my mom's oldest son,
my pop's oldest son. Which Bone is my cousin with
my eyes sweet no Me and Crazy Bone best friend
since seventh grade. Which turns out my mama went to
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school with his dad, and you know, so when all
that hooked up, it was a big old family. And
then Busy Bone was the last member to come into
Bone Well we was born enterprise at the time, but
he was the last member to come in being the youngest.
So this was like ninety one, and my mom met
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his dad and he ended up living with us, you know,
and we.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Thought y'all was brothers.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Yeah, everybody think, you know, they say the light skin
look alike, man, but you don't.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
All the time, the swag y'all had the rain ponchos,
the junko jeans, the ski goggles.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Where did all that come from? That was just what
y'all grew up with.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I mean, you know, well, well we grew up. Like
I said, I've been through every fat so I did
the Adidas and all that. But at that time, by
the time we came out, we was full blown on
reading all the war, reading mcavelly, you know what I'm saying,
and just really on some it might be the end
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of the world in nineteen ninety nine, so we got
to get our can goods together and save our money.
Y two k right, it We was on. We was
on preparing for We always been on some soldier stuff,
you know. Never no gang shit, but always on like
it's all us our music against everybody, like we had to.
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We went against street niggas because we can rap. Niggas
thought we had money when we didn't have money, you
know what I mean. So it was always like we
was always humbled by the game, you know what I mean.
It wasn't never no braggadocious bone thugs and harmony, you
know what I'm saying. It was always humble crossroads. If
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I could teach the world, change the world. You know,
all these messages we sprinkled in on top of we'd
bust your motherfucking head over, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
So Cleveland sports fan growing up, Cleveland period all day.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Well you know basketball, well, Cleveland Browns all day, every day.
Oh my god, that's a long story, but you know basketball,
I was a Showtime Lakers fan first and foremost, you
know what I mean. And Cleveland, you know all hometown teams.
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You know, Cleveland is the city. So that run through
our blood, through and through.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So what do you think about what they're doing to
the door right now?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I mean, I don't get into no type of politics,
but me personally, I think it's I think it's wrong.
You know what I mean. I think because his father
is who his father is, and I grew up watching
show Time, you know what I'm saying. So the braggadocio
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is uh, you know that intimidated a lot of people,
I think, you know what I mean, But uh, I
think they should get it. I think they should get
a little nigga a shot. You know, Gabriel did good
last week, you know what I mean, he showed up,
he did his thing. But uh, we all want to
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see sha door. The hood wanted to see sha door.
We want to see what he can do if he
since you know, you slid him down so far, try
to take the money out of his pockets. But you
know he come from money, so you know the issue.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Were you Charles growing up? Hell?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah? From the town?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, man, we used to it was a spot called
Togo Sweet in Cleveland. So when we first made it,
you know that, oh he was at his end of
his career, but he frequent you know, in Cleveland. Him
the Wishball used to hang out all the time. Man
at the Togo Sweet. I'd be like, man, wish that
nigga got a game? You got a show man, y'all
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gotta come on, mind, it's time to go.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
One way ticket to LA reports. You were homeless for
a few months. At what age did you say it's
time to make a move.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I had went to California back in like nineteen ninety.
I had ran away from home. I got myself in
some trouble in eighty nine and caused me to have
to go to Texas. So I came out here at
LA in eighty nine. But I finally decided once I
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got back home got my group back together from my
first mishap that we should get out of there. And
that was like ninety two. My friend Wally, who the
Crossroads was originally about, he got murdered breaking up another
person's fight, you know what I'm saying. So when he
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got murdered, that's the year. That ninety nine for us
was like the wild wild West. So you know, it
was that summer Walley got murdered, and I'm like, man,
we gotta get the fuck out of here, you know
what I mean. So I had set a date November
twenty third, nineteen ninety three. Wally got killed this summer
(18:53):
of ninety two. So November twenty third, ninety three, we
left Cleveland and one way but us tickets that whole story,
you know, were selling weed. My brother bought the bus tickets,
you know what I mean. He because he was playing
ball in Alleghany, and then because he went to college
and went to Alleghany while the rest of us were
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still on the block. Our plan was always for him
to go to the NBA. And you know, he was
a rapper and all that type of stuff, so we
was thinking like that we're gonna become rappers. He gonna
be in the NBA. We went to uh when we
went out to well, he went out to California. That's
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when the bright idea came because he he he did it.
He rapped against Uh. I forget which one of them
was from Minutes Minutes to Society. I think it was
the one that was came Yeah, I think, I think.
I don't know which one it was, but uh, my
brother ended up rapping against someone out here. So he
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called me on the pay phone back in Cleveland. Nigga's
on the block, like, hey man, your brother on the phone.
He like, man, I gotta get y'all out here because
I just rap against this nigga and ate his ass up,
you know what I'm saying. So that's when the plan
went in the motion. So that was like ninety this
summer of ninety two, well, my brother we graduated ninety two,
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so summer of ninety three the plan went into effect.
By ninety November we was we left. So November to February,
we was homeless. So homeless meaning that you know, we
had my brother had a couple homeboys shout out to
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Big Mark who fi my nigga died Rest in peace
and his family was from out here. Don's family, so
they used to let us stay in they little shed.
They had a little shed in the back where we
rolled our wraps and shit at so at night we
could stay in the shed. During the day, we just
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walking around and niggas just knew we wasn't from around.
We was out there in Mansfield. Cript They like, hey, homie,
if you gonna if you're gonna be out here, you're
gonna claim something. I'm like, nah, nigga, we ain't gonna
be here long. Like, nah, we ain't gonna do that
because you know, we rap. It was like, well rap
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blood nigga. I'm like, but labit a minute. It put
a niggaas you better go check mama. And they was like,
oh yeah, I'm gonna take your over Tone Low House nigga.
I know where he lived. And and then and that's
when it all started coming together.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You know, well take us down that path because I
read something that Tone Lok didn't really take to y'all
off the rip.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I mean, we was filed though, now that I think
about it, we was file as fuck. Man. We showed
up the Tone Low House like at ten o'clock in
the morning, you know, we just yeah, just niggas say
they know where Tone Low lived. They point we just
trying to get on. And I never knew how fire
it was until it happened to me. Somebody walked up
(22:05):
to my door like hey, lazy balling up, like, man,
get you better get the fuck away from her dog.
That's going on with you now. So Tom Loake come
out the house. We knock it on the nigga door.
He come out. He's smoking a blunt too. Loake's song
him and him and some big goon nigga he had,
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and he come out and he like, we like, man,
we rap, you know what I mean, Like we wanted,
but he did take the time to listen to us.
But don't you know, it was early in the morning.
We walked up. We had a nigga door. He probably
wasn't even eating breakfast. He wasn't finish his blunt because
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it was burning. And then yeah, we walked up to him,
but you know, he really didn't remember it when I
brought it to his attention, but he was like, I
really couldn't do nothing for y'all. Anyway, y'all went the
right way, you know what I mean. So we ironed
that out. You know, I used to black Man that
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Nigga ain't put us on man. You know how when
you're young, you're man. You just want to beyond, you
don't You're not considerate of what other people may be
going through.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know when the.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
First first word to come to mind when I mentioned
some of your your group mates, busy, what's the first
thing to come to mind?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Wow, live wire, energy, wish, lieutenant at arms, soldier, you know,
general flesh, intelligent, hmm uh, smart, brilliant, mhmm, yeah, no,
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he know a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What would they say about you?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Oh, man, I'm just the glue. I'm the peacemaker, I'm
the libra, I'm the skills of the situation.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
What's the story of you being kidnapped or excuse me,
busy being kidnap excuse me? And uh finding out through
America's most wanted episode?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Well, you know what, I really don't you know, he
really never talked about what happened to him, You know
what I mean? Like, so Busy is from Columbus, Ohio.
You know, so all that drama he went through, all
that trauma, all everything he went through then was the
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days before us. He came to us. You know, I
knew it was some family issues and all that. My
mother took him in and was a friend of his dad's,
you know what I mean. So how I met Busy
was actually I met him in school first, because everybody
was talking about this light skinned kid, you know, knew
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in school and blah blah blah. But my mom kept
telling me, it's this little boy. I want you to
meet this kid. I want you to meet that can
sing and can rap. Because I was already doing my
thing in Cleveland. I had we had a name. We
was the Bandaid Boys. We was the band Aid Boys
in junior high and we dominated everything. Then then we
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became Born Enterprise after that, and then we became born
Thugs in Harmony. But uh, back to what you were
saying about Busy, we didn't know all that, so we
didn't you know, I didn't know none of that went
on until the ship came on America's Most Warning because
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Busy had left tour. You know, so we've been through
a lot of ups and downs. It's a lot of
things that led to different things, you know, easy e
dine Busy we left tour, you know, we was confused.
We ain't had no mentors.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We ain't. You know.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
It wasn't no blueprints, no game playing. Some niggas from
the streets told and all kind of just doing all
whatever money that allowed us to do, you know what
I mean. But we was holding down. We still stayed business.
But we had a foot in the streets too. So
when Busy walked off tour and I had negotiated solo deals,
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you know what I mean, Busy and Crazy was ready.
So put Busy album out, put Crazy album out, and
put Flesh album out solo, and that's when everything was
going good. And then you know, Easy passed away. We
had the most ug family thing going and we were
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selling millions of records right there. And then Easy died,
Busy left, and then the America's Most Wanted shit came
on TV out of nowhere. Because I hadn't, I didn't
know what b was going through. You know, it was
personal demons, whatever whatever it may be. I always tried
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to understand, like what it was, because I looked at
what God gave us. Remember, I had been shot the head,
I had been in jail. I was the first nigga
that to wear the handcuffs and behind bars in my
generation of so I had learned all that shit early,
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so I was trying to understand busy. So when that happened,
it was like we was fucking shocked, man, it was,
you know. And then and B went on a rampage
for another couple of years, and I never really we
never really got to sit down and talk about, you know,
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those type of deep things in life. Life was moving
so fast, man. We was shit. We was November twenty third,
we went to California. February, we was with Easy E.
Ninety four, Uh June Thuggish Ruggish Bone came out July
we platinum. Uh shit, then skipped fast Ahead and out
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we on another album each nineteen ninety nine. We recording
that motherfucker It's coming out, Bang bang bang. Easy E died.
We only knew him for fifteen months in the flesh,
you know what I'm saying. Like we was with him
every day in the flesh for fifth like fifteen months,
almost every day, and then he died, you know what
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I mean. So while all these things was happening, all
these things was happening so fast, we never really so
we was tight like this fist right, and then shit
start happening, and the fists start loosening up, you know,
the team start coming apart. Because the one that was
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protecting us Easy he did he did so the one
he kept us away from everybody, he put us with,
you know, the black Hole, the WATS and GBM, different
people he felt that we can we could be comfortable around.
But when he left, it was like it was us
against uh uh presidents of the company and people that
(29:42):
uh that Judges was putting in place, you know what
I'm saying. So it was like Nigga was twenty one
years old, went from welfare first of the month to
this mother I could check three hundred eight four hundred
(30:02):
thousand dollars, you know what I'm saying. So, like no guidance,
no playbook. It's a wonder we're still here. But I
didn't know that about Busy Bone. Back to your question,
and that shit was a shock so much. But now
I analyze in hindsight, like how fast things were moving.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
A lot of people thinks he found y'all, but y'all
started him out.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What's that story?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah, we found easy eat Man.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Like when and what year was that?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
This was nineteen ninety three, Okay, nineteen ninety three. So
when we was on the block in nineteen ninety three
preparing to leave, we was hustling. Okay, we leaving November
twenty third. Our goal was to me Easy.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh you'd already had that play.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
We was like because they were you know, the dog
Pound Death Row. It was like always admired the CEO
of the company, the the little j the Russell Simmons,
you know what I mean. Like, so I'm day like,
who you would you rather be with? Nigga Easy eat
the underdog and we could outrap, we could outrap all
(31:11):
these niggas. I'd rather be with Easy. So we sought
out to look for Easy. Called him every day while
we was in California, told everybody on the block, nigga,
we gonna uh were going to meet Easy. And when
we come back, we shooting the video and it's like, nigga,
you ain't gonna beet No Easy met Easy came back
(31:35):
to shoot the video, you know what I mean. So
Cleveland was on fire. Everything we said we was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
What was his He's always known as from what we
read in here, just the business mind and and someone
that always had a vision. What was it like once
you connected with him, and what kind of guidance he
give y'all.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I mean, you would think from see we from back
in the days, like fame was a lot more bigger,
you know, like now everybody's we all on the internet,
so it feel closer. But to be to meet an
easy Eve from Cleveland, Ohio and back then, it was
(32:17):
like a huge, huge thing, you know what I'm saying.
So Easy he was like, you'll think, fuck the police
and all that. But I really found out that he
had a love for kids because my son was with
me when I was out there homeless. My son was
like a year two years old, maybe I had him
(32:41):
with me, and Easy he would take him. And I
noticed that, like he'd just come get come get him,
take him to go get Pisa and shit like that.
And you know, he was a humble kind ass man,
you know what I mean, Like the type of nigga
that to give his shoes to you off his feed,
like you good, you know, the most important nigga in
(33:04):
the room, always asks you are you okay? You need anything?
That type of that type of mentality. So he was.
He was a great human man and he was a
real nigga. He stood up for you know, he told
it like it was street reporting the same way we
came and that's what we got it from street reporting.
(33:26):
Talk about what you see in your life.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
When he got stick. Is it true that he told
was getting back together?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Oh, we knew they was getting back together. We was
watching the phone calls. Shit, we was there. Uh, we
was there with him and Cube talk. He like nigga.
He like nigga. Y'all niggas can't fuck with me and
my group. We like, man, we'll smash y'all old niggas
like he like going on. He started wearing his braids back.
(33:56):
He was in our group then, Yeah, you know what
I mean for them last world months, Yeah, for the
last few months he was. He was in bomb but yeah, man,
he yeah he was. He was that nigga. Man, I
forgot what the fuck We was just saying.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
What was the process of making people want to come
up for the love money and know the whole album,
Like what kind of mold j'all was in because that's
some classic ship. So y'all, you know, I know, when
you're in the basketball, you gotta you're hitting shots like
you go into a zone like that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
When y'all making that album, Y're in the zone.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
So we we was in the zone because you know,
you gotta think we was. We was a group ten
years before we got it to Easy Eat. So we
had material on top of material on top of material.
You know, It's like when you when you go when ship,
(34:50):
when you're going for your tryouts and ship like that,
like you've been all your life, You've been in the gym,
like nigga, I'm finished, show out, you know what I'm
saying that That's what it was. We was prepared. We
went in the studio, it was so much energy easy.
He let us do whatever we wanted to do. He
had put us with producers, you know, Yeller and all
(35:15):
them producers that you know that soaked our vibe up.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
What was it like though, I mean, because in essence,
what you told us was you basically went from homeless
to platinum in about six months. I mean, that's absolutely insane.
When you guys, was there a moment where you said,
kind of, dann we made it? Was it that time
when did you kind of feel like y'all had officially
made your mark?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
So we after we finished the album, it was a
little time period that we went back to Cleveland to
get our lives settled because we didn't have nowhere to
live and or none of that shit.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So hold on. So you was making classic music, but still.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
We were still homeless. We was living in whatever hotel
easy he put us in in or whatever house he
put us in. But we was crazy. We kept getting
put out of ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So trying to figure it out. So you been at home,
got straight.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
We went home, and when I knew we was when
we made it because we were still riding the bus.
We called the bus to rt A in Cleveland. So
we was on the rt A like I don't forgot
where we was going, but we was on the r
t A and the Nigga roll passing the Regal playing
Thugish Ruggish Bomb. It was on the radio. We outter,
(36:35):
We hanging out the bus window like Nigga, that's our song.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
That's the first time the radio, very first time we
heard it on the radio.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
He on, He on Dayton's Regal t tops in that motherfucker.
We on the bus like Nigga, that's our song. He
like this ain't y'all niggas song that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Seem that seemed definitely got to be in the movie.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's some golden moments in it
for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Uh only artists to record with Biggie poking easy and
pun to big Zach, give me a moment from being
in the studio.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Each one of them go Biggie first.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Well, Biggie first, So Biggie, that whole situation was. That
was a wild day. Man. It was the whole bad boy,
the whole more Thug family.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Everybody was.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
We was about fifty deep in the studio, in the
room no bigger than this smoked out, smoked out dranking hennessy.
You know that's when uh thug passion and all that
ship was to drink yeah him, not mixed him nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah yeah so we uh.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, man, I that day I fell asleep and I
went in the limo and fell asleep. So I had
woke up out my sleeping and one time just ace
my verse, you know what I mean, just dropped my ship.
But I remember that session because Puffy Little Seas Stevie,
(38:10):
j all my mo thug homeboys and I had came
with a lot of weed that day and I, you know,
set it on the count set it on the council
when you go in, like ship, what y'all want, Let's
get it going. You know, it's a nigga biggie. I
catch him keep putting my weed in this pop he
(38:32):
like he like, he like, yeah, he like your bones.
I'm like, hey man, I'm like, man, quit putting my
weed in your pocket beat man.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But that was the.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Funny part to me that I never forget about that session.
I wasn't in the studio when Pop is his. Yeah,
the first time I met Park, we was at the
Park Hotel on uh somewhere off Sunset, And I'll never
forget it because I went and bought uh a bens
(39:05):
just like Park after I've seen him pull up on
me the way he pulled up on me in the
five double O Gas Black five double O Bens. I
went and got a ruby Redwin but uh, yeah, he
pulled up on me. Man, he had just got out too,
and he was before we did the remix the Crossroads.
(39:26):
He had just got out and he pulled up in
front of the hotel. I'm like, Nigga, that's Pop. I'm
telling my brother, like, Nigga, that's Pop. Like like so,
I go over there. I'm like, Pop, where the weed at?
He go up under his seat, grab a Philly box,
put a bunch of weed in my hand, and shit.
We go up to his room and it's the Outlaws
(39:50):
bone like. That was my very first time meeting me
man and he talked about the thug nation and putting
this whole nationwide group to get other and all that
ship and that was my first impression to Pop like
he he was mastered playing and some ship.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Groups groups.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tell me a little bit about each of these groups,
Wang what they meant to you guys?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I mean Wu Tang, you know what I mean. That's
that's a group that Wu Tang is a group that
we always can measure our level of success up to,
you know what I mean, because it's brown about the
same time. You know, uh, them all my dudes, now man,
we had you know, we all grown ghost face method man,
(40:41):
all of them Rizzard Like, we're all good now, you
know what I mean. But we had a fight with
them niggas one day at uh it was Russell Simmons
Christmas party. We had a fight with them. We had
and the reason why we grab grapping like a motherfucker.
(41:01):
We was afraid. We was fighting fighting over what happened.
Niggas wasn't no suckers. We wasn't neither though. We was
in New York, so they had the upper hand on
the nigga. But now what happened was we was Uh.
We had did a song called Everyday Thing on the
show soundtrack, and Russell Simmons was having a Christmas party
(41:24):
Flesh and Bone had just signed he was moped up
death Jam, so we was invited. We got there early.
By the time we we was in that motherfucker with
our shirts offt dance and turned up drinking. And by
the time you know, they got there a little late
(41:44):
and pushing was going on through the crowd. The niggas
came in, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushed the wrong niggas started
to fight. Bobbers got the flying niggas start running and
jumping by bars, and then they never played our song
that night until that fight broke out. I'll never forget it.
(42:07):
It's an everyday thing when you let you not tng
and uh, yeah, so we had you. That's who tanged man,
that's my method. Man. He did save our life that night. Yeah,
them were serious. Huh. Yeah, thats just serious, man. That's
(42:30):
all I'm gonna say about that.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Our cast.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Man. I love our cast, I love I love Dre,
I love I love them niggas man, I mean the
most colorful group, another group of our genre of our
in our era that we can measure ourselves up against
the say we did pretty good, you know what I'm saying.
So yeah, hat soft much respect to them. You know,
(42:57):
I think Andre three thousand is one of the greatest
hardest ever. You know big Boy too, you know what
I mean with his pimp flow. So yeah, man, I
love our cast. Run that's what we get it from.
I started writing they wraps down like okay, you know
what I mean. That's how it starts structuring ship just right,
(43:20):
like remember they wrap catch it on the radio. You
got catch it recorded, then you stop pause, write it down,
stop pause writing down, So run demc them them the
fathers y U GK man, you know got a pocket
full of stars. Come on, man, you know what I
(43:41):
mean way back when you know what I mean, like
when I was on the block, pocket full of stones.
UGK them was them niggas is part of my childhood
in the way to where my money Carlo really really
really really got a lot to beat up out of them,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
So I Love You, GK ninety nine four times platinum,
almost won the Grammy obviously Crossroads.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
What was y'all all?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
So you said that was dedicated to one of your homeboys.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yeah, my homeboy Wally, Yeah, good friend of mine, best friend.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
So that reaches number one on the top one hundred
one Best Rap Performance a Duo in ninety seven at
the Grammys.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
What was it like getting that first Grammy?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
I mean, shit, it was really it was. It wasn't
even like a dream come true. It was like being
inside of a dream, you know what I mean, like
not really realizing the weight that that carried at the time,
but just like we won a trophy, I mean, like
(44:47):
getting that when you hoist that championship trophy, like you're
still in the dream. But in hindsight, it was just
like whoever, who would ever thought some kids and Cleveland
ninety nine. Everybody said we couldn't do it. So we've
been going against the grain the whole time, you know
(45:10):
what I mean. So that that was the first solidification
of well, you know, making it, then selling records, but
then getting the accolade amongst your peers. It was a
whole nother level, like, okay, now that's when I start
thinking about a brand. It wasn't until the end it
(45:31):
I even considered that we were a brand.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Are you the one?
Speaker 4 (45:35):
The kind of that's what you were to the group
kind of just seeing the vision in the future of
everything behind the scenes on the business side.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
I think we all played the intricate part in seeing
the vision, but I think I played more of the
easy e role, you know what I'm saying, Like my
job to me, my job was to always do the
politic and like my verse, I had my verse done
(46:04):
like crazy Bond to sit there and he'd come with
some harmonies and mastermind the whole song. I had my
shit together, boom boom boom. But I'm off to come
talk to y'all so I can get this next play
going for this next thing we got going. So that's
that's me. So a lot of my flak, our fans
(46:25):
even they called me. They they labeled me the glue, like, oh,
you the glue because you know I've been there. But
you know, I feel I feel like in a lot
of ways, you know, I started this ship. So it's
my duty to look after my brothers and whatever it takes,
you know.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Goddamn right, victorious thug. What was it like when that hit.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
Man? That shit, That shit was so huge, man, it
was like it was a rebirth on a whole nother level,
you know what I mean? Because for one, when we
recorded the song, Biggie never did his verse that night
he took the ship home. After he did, Busy did his,
Crazy did his, then I did mine.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Then it was.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Probably like two in the morning. We all kicking it.
He was like, yo, yoa, I'm gonna take this home.
Were like, we tried to get him to do it.
He was like no, So now we know why he
took it home. He wasn't studied.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But when it.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Came out, though, that was the first time you heard it.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
When it came out, the.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
First time we heard it, Yeah, and he had he
was dead. He passed away, so we didn't hear the
complete song until after he passed. The song came out
after he passed away, so to hear him come like
he came, that was That's when New York started fucking
with us, do you know. I mean, like before then
(47:57):
we'd go do shows and we're probably sell out bb kings,
but our crowds, like New York was hard on Cleveland
rappers or other rappers period, you know what I'm saying.
So the door, Yeah, that song kicked the dough in
for us. Thank you, big, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
First of the Month, I mean still viral on social media.
Playbo Cardi took a line from it. I mean, did
you ever think that that song would do what it's done?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
I mean, ship the game did it to him and
Chris Brown. We're having a celebration. Yeah, man, No, I
mean that's just that was just our way of life. No,
I mean the first of the month, that's what we're
waiting on, you know what I mean, were waiting to
re up, We waiting put the food on the grill.
(48:51):
It's like that was a holiday back then, back when, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like that's that's when we
grew up knowing like it's different now, but back then,
you know that government assistance sometimes that was the only
way we ate. And then when the crack everydemic came through,
(49:13):
this show the nigga how to double that. So it's
like yeah, yeah, but the first of the money, I
think is always gonna be relevant because you get a
paycheck on the first of the money.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
You know, when you sit back today, and as athletes
were always programmed to just what's next, what's next? I'm
sure and your profession is similar when you sit back
now and kind of look back on your journey and
dudes from Cleveland off the block and what you've been
able to accomplish, from the accolades to the millions and
millions apart, millions of record sos. Legends're gonna be inducted
(49:47):
to the Hall of Fame soon. Like what do you think.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
Well, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna stick to entertainment, you
know what I mean. I think I think entertainment as
far as movies. You know what I mean. I'm a writer,
so I write scripts, I write poetry, and you know,
(50:14):
and my life is basically based around being creative writing
and you know, coming up with different ideas and you know,
so my future is looking like I'm dabbling in everything, man,
you know what I mean. I got the first of
the month's script movie written down, seventy one script written
(50:35):
one called ball and written. So producing my own music, music, movies,
my own clothes, clothing, lazy gear. You know, my last
name is house, so I make house shoes. I started
to come in my house shoes and house coach today,
but I would freak y'all out. Next time. I'm gonna
(50:57):
bring y'all something. And I did get some gifts for y'all.
What you got as far as uh bomb dougs and
harmony merchandise. We appreciate big niggas. I don't know, yo,
mo back.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
To hang it on the wall.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
There you go, Jack, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
I don't know exactly what's saying, and I just stuff
and real quick.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
To appreciate you. All right. We got quick hitters. First
thing to come to mind, oh ship, and so we
got one for you too, Smoke Drip the smoke Drip.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
I got books and everything.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Quick hitters, first thing to come to mind.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Let us know your thoughts. Who are your top five
rap groups of all time?
Speaker 5 (51:45):
Rap groups run DMC, Beastie Boys, Ghetto Boys, n W
A Damn. It's a split between Public Enemy and Boogie
(52:08):
Down productions. So you know I had one of them.
Got to share.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
One one album that you can listen to with no skips.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
East nineteen ninety ninety to Chronic was our cast first album. Yeah, sir,
Yeah that one, that couple of Wayne's, couple of t I's. Man,
(52:42):
you know, it's some classics out here.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I was talking to somebody the other day.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
They forgot how cold Tiya was shocking Jaman and Ship
today that she woke me up.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
T I one of my favorite artists too.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, that's a good question. Who is some of your
favorite artists?
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Oh? Man, the ship all time? You know we gonna
Michael Jackson from Old School Man new addition, you know
what I mean ship If we're talking about last couple
of decades, Lil Wayne, t I, I got independent artists
(53:19):
that I really like, Like Dizzy right, my nephew. I
really get into his shitty from the heart man, it's
it's I love music, really like every genre of music.
I really get into it. And I and I and
I take elements from everywhere.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Your childhood crush, your child who's your who's your childhood crush?
Ah man, or maybe when you first got in the game,
you're like, damn, I got to meet her.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Damn. I don't know shit. I think everybody say, Holly Berry, huh,
everybody say that.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
We'll need to give us a list that's a safe ony. Uh,
five dinner guests U plus five people dead are alive?
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Who's coming to your table?
Speaker 5 (54:09):
Mm hmm coming to my table outside of your group?
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Okay, outside excluded?
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Get uh, let me see that I need to talk
to Uh. I want to talk to Barack Obama. He
gotta come to dinner. I need Lebrin at the table
that's home. Yeah, probably want to talk to Malcolm and
(54:39):
Martin that's four. And then put a little bit of
Jesus in there and let me see what he got,
what he got to say about this, this unification at
the dinner table, this next supper.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, if you can see one guest on our show,
who would it be?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
But you have to help us get your answer on
our show.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
So somebody you know that you want to see on
our show and you're gonna hit him up and tell him, like, yo,
I just did this show.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You come.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You should come fuck with them too.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I don't know. Y'all have had so many folks on
Fat Joe. Y'all seen y'all talk to Fat Joe.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, Joe had some stories.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
Joe be fucking up stories, y'all see Joe, Lady, my
uncle Georgia, my uncle georgia'all yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
The whole song.
Speaker 5 (55:30):
But yeah, man, but Joe, I go back with Joe
so far, you know, I mean like since the beginning
of the Relativity days when when he first signed we
was in his first video Dope. Yeah. So yeah, man, Joe,
he them stories. He gotta be real as the nigga
been everywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Finish it up?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Finished?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Oh I'm tripping them high. Yeah we finished?
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Is it? Man?
Speaker 4 (56:01):
We appreciate you coming through today. Best of luck with everything.
If you need us for anything and any promotion anything,
you know, man, we're huge.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, Jack act I didn't want to throw it out there.
I want to water.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
So all them scripts you got if you need something.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, what kind of role would you play?
Speaker 1 (56:17):
It don't even matter, sucker. I can't.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Talk to a lot of people in the in the music,
I mean in the acting business. Said try to pick
roles that's closer to you. So I can't play no, sucker.
He said, he got a.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Roll for your cat.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
We can't do no sucking shot at all, at all, none. Zero.
I got a cold uncle roll for you.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, come on, man, uncle fire ready.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
I'm already with it. So finishing off real man.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
We appreciate you, man, congratulations the success, amazing career, new music,
your a legend.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
It was the honor for you to sit down with
us today.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
Man, so best of luck, and I just want to say, uh,
the Bone album is coming soon, you know, the Bone
Thug the Bible Basic Constructions before leaving Earth, and uh,
my new solo record is called Dash the dashing between
your death day, your birthday and your death day at
the time, I'm talking about life, so you know, keep
(57:20):
supporting Bone Thugs and harmony. I appreciate y'all for having me.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
Man.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
Y'all some real g's appreciate you and I love you know,
being able to intertwine with the realist and appreciate that.
And I hope I gave y'all all the smoke.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
We appreciate it. That's Lazy Bone on all the Smoke.
Speaker 4 (57:37):
You can catch this on All the Smoke Productions YouTube
and the Draft Kings Network.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
We'll see all that sweet.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Mm hmm
Speaker 2 (58:01):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.