Omari Hardwick on Ghost’s Future & Untold POWER Stories | ALL THE SMOKE - All The Smoke

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome back all the smoke. We're coming to you from Dallas.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Back home in his long star state.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
We got a good one. This wouldn't have been a
long time coming. We've been trying to connect the dots
with this dude for a long time. Man, one of
my favorite actors and just one of the genuine, real
good people in this space, and there's not too many
of those.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Mari Hardwick, thank you, thank you, thank you, sat having people.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
How's life recently nominated for a Grammy name Ghost.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
Ghost that's crazy, bro, I'm uh.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
For your roll in star trek Man and many hats.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm trying, Bro, I'm and and by the way, Stack's
if you remember this. But when I started and the
music thing, it was spoken word poetry. I had a
show called Versus and Flow and I would get up
neo soul artists. The likes young poets, which is the
best part of it to me, is like giving the
stage to young people to figure out their voice and
bro in the audience, write in the epicenter, right in

(01:19):
the middle, death smack in the middle. One night, man,
I get up and there is the Laker at the time,
the Laker great Matt Bonds, and I remember thinking to myself,
we might be all right in the next twenty years.
And by we, what I meant was people who looked
like me transitioning not out of sport, right, but really

(01:42):
speaking of voice, being able to figure out a voice
beyond sport. And I remember looking at Madden thinking, this
is nice. It was a nice time, and Cali, things
were different.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You was with the Spurs, early time with the Spurs
and early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
And so Matt been supporting for so long and by
the way, God God Stephen as too stag Man been
rocking with me for the longest I've been rocking with him.
One of the realist cats in the league. The league
is a bit different now, Yes, the world different.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
The world is the.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
World is different now.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
But yeah, it's been nice, man. It was amazing to
get a nomination for the side of the entertainment industry.
To your point, Matt, that I don't put food on
the table, or I haven't thus far. So that was
super humbling, man, because just reminded me that it's a
nice Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
How motherfucking talented you are. How about that part anytime
you're getting your flowers. It's a beautiful thing, bro, I
appreciate it. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, And the declaration to again the young cats who
look like us, the young ladies who look like us.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yo, empty the bag.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Empty it before you go up to the pearly gates,
and God go, what did you do with it?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
I gave you a lot of shit in there.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You don't want God to scourry through the bag and
go it's seventh motherfucking things still in there. So for me,
that was always in objective like get it all out,
but while doing so good permission other people to get
it all out.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
You want to see it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Across my mom. You want to see his pat I'm
just I'm just cool, my nigga. I can't help that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's what God gave me.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, hey, that's one of them. That's one of them.
Definitely let that out.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
The bag too fresh to be stall man got to
do it.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
So it's a long time coming to the brother's point.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
And uh, we were supposed to be on you know,
on this way back in middle of the summer.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, we did something together for uninterrupted last summer right.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, we did. It was really cool that I did it, Maddy.
We did some ship.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
We did some ship.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
We did a softball game at UCLA. We just played no, no, no,
but we did some ship stacked so.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Many years back.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Okay, yeah, him being out because you know here, you
know here food in baseball. Yeah, crazy, I just said
he was six ninety went six eight. Why you take
away the atch?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I don't want to steal. I don't like to lie.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Oh, but with the right shoot not them shoes. But
if we give you what's who got some kicks in there?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
We don't wear them no more. That makes it two
inches taller. You used to wear them. So people used
to wear them high high heels, high tops, not even
the three quarters.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm talking about the high souls.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
The David Robinson so wings wings.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Long Stack wants to be an actor one day. Yeah, Stack,
you're a talent scout.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
What what what would you think? He didn't make fun
of me like Kevin Hart. Appreciate that. That's my boy.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I love you, bro, I think that. Yeah, my dream
got him up, don't really got my ship down. Really
really cool short basket.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
H so for me for me, mad And I know
you know art really well.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
And it's too controversial for me to say to one
cat who in music when I think about music? Since
you let in with that point, he's in jail.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Now we all know.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Who he is, the R and B. King.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
I always would have been a phenomenal actor, and I
always thought that Kanye would be a great actor. And
what I realized is that what I honor perhaps most.
I mean, I guess Robert tried it, Kanye. What I
honor most is that he and he made a comment
was he was like, I want to get my chops
right if I were to do that. One of the
things that was most fascinating about your brother, our brother

(05:33):
being in the league and he's doing it right now, Matt, Matt,
you need to take this shit in.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I already seen it. I think he's good enough to
do it.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
So this is my point.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
One of the things that was so dope about Stephen
Jackson is that Stack was always and is always who
he is and the most confusing thing. And you try
to not as an actor give too much away because
your tricks are your tricks and it puts food on
your table. But one of them was confusing things about
that professionist a that it is monikered titled or labeled

(06:05):
acting when it should be not that because acting is
not good.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Anybody who acts is.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
So the authenticity and sincerity that comes with a Stack
that when you came to the League, David Stern was
at what point of being commissioner.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
He was in full almost almost on his way out.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
So I'm right also to the point where he was
trying to change the league dress code and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Okay that I throw a nice love to you, And
the reality is that an Alan Everson and a Stack
Jamaret doesn't count as much where I'm going at because
Ja Morant is a victim but also a victim I'm
gona specify a victim of a generation that has to
contend with a cell phone and social media in ways

(06:53):
that we didn't have to. So in that way, Joah
kind of is still trying to figure out where this
job at.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Who am I? What is my thing? But y'am being
dufeleously gifted? What is my thing? But and Alan Iverson
really was a tupac on.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
My roof for our NBA and Stack was very befitting
of that.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
And when I think about you carry that to me,
you would.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Rather work at the local, whatever the local is, rather
than sell your soul. To me, my answer is he
would be a horrified actor. Not only because he has
that innate desire to be like fuck that, I'm Stack.
He also wears stack really well. And we just saw
a scene play out with his wife before we rolle
cameras and it was his actual wife.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
My nigga might as well and make ghost Tatasha.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
So I really feel and I've never said this to
you before, but you have not only the intensity but
the joy with the pain. You need joy and pain,
and you need an ability to forgive the shit. By
the time they say roll camera action go, you would
have had to forgive all of the childhood shit and
just put all the stuff into whatever that is, whether

(07:58):
it's comedy, whether it's drawn, where it's horror, and just
kind of sit in it and less.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
It's always more.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
And Matt, you ain't far off of being the same
thing you do two of the coolest duo.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
And I ain't just saying that.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I know you'all gonna get teased by the rest of
the podcast cats because they're gonna fuck with you and go,
oh claim these cats.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Cool, But yeah, I already knew that. Y'all.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
You're super laid back and you operate at a real
at a real for me, what actors provide the actors
who really who really have it? They operate in a
in a beautiful We can be insecure all day, but
they operate, or we operate. I think I'm pretty gifted.
We operate at a place where we are super secure
and emotionally kind of together when the camera starts rolling. Afterwards,

(08:46):
when they say cut, you might be a nutbag, but
when the camera's rolling, you have some kind.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Of ability to go to a place a gift. There's
something there.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's some negative energy. You're out out right now. And
we're definitely not about that. We're more just fans of
of what was going on and and and and the
character you played. Will we ever see there's obviously a
ton of spin offs going on in that universe. Will
we ever see you as ghost in any shape or form?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah, okay, you will, Maddie and we talked about, Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
I got the chills, right, that's my favorite character.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I think I'm ghosting with a life. I just don't
have the suits and the money and shit like I
act like you I act like or the good hair
not the hair either. My shit ain't that bad, but
it ain't that ain't.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
So Matt asked a really good question, I think, and
I could compliment Courtney and Curtis and saying this, we definitely, Matt,
we as a culture, as a black culture and brown culture,
Latinos included, we did not have outside of of a
Sicilian character, whether it be Marlon Brando playing a Sicilian character,

(10:07):
whether it be.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Al Pacino who is actually Sicilian.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Right and Robert de Niro being part Irish, part Italian
my favorite all time actor outside of Steve McQueen. But
looking at uh and I would say probably Denzel. But
looking at the reality of what those movies and the
character of those big, big mob movies and gangster movies,

(10:31):
what they provided was it provided more of a peak.
It was very Shakespearean, all of them were. But it
provided a peak into uncles that we knew, grandfathers that
we knew, aunties that we grandmothers, you know. And I
don't think we had outside of family shows that were
family oriented in a very warm and fuzzy, wrap it
up with a nice bow at the end of it

(10:52):
type of I guess display Cosby show included, we didn't
really have a display that came into our living rooms.
And to your points that your character and the show,
OH had me and wifey and major conversations constantly. So
I believe that every role I played matter is that
of community outreach servitude.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
I just use the characters as my way of doing
community outreach.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
But that character was such an incredible community outreach because
if I'm talking to the President in the White House
and I've talked to two during that time, one was
colored Us, and then if I'm talking to every Pooky
and every respective hood that we grew up in, whether Cali,
Wather Texas, whether Georgia. The reality is that character was

(11:41):
built to be able to play on so many sides
of the street. And I don't know how I can
say goodbye to him in this career that hopefully extends
twenty more years before I have the liberty to say
I want to be out in terms of an actor.
So if I'm fifty years old, still playing the better
parts of mid thirties, and I go to seventy years

(12:01):
of age, I believe we have to see and I'm
providing myself with the permission, and that's big for me
to say. Matt, I'm providing and I'll say that to
you Stack, I'm providing myself with the permission to if
it not be shown and or seen on anything related
to stars and oring that world where Curtis according through

(12:21):
this incredible live for me and the rest of the team,
you definitely will see the character in some form, fashion
or format and you will be able to go that's
the shit I miss.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Do I miss only Ghosts?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Now I realize I missed o Mari playing a character
like Ghost because I'm getting it again and I'm getting
Omri while getting a character.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
So I have to provide that. It's funny you say, Yeah,
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I want to be the hit man.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's interesting the end of what you said, because you've
been outspoken about Ghost and Amar are two different people.
Why are you so outspoken and trying to drive that
message home?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, I will tell you what I never said that
they were too stark different. You know that there was
such a contrast.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
There definitely have to be some of you to get
that great in Ghosts.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
But yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
This is my whole thing. My whole thing is.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
We have to look at it from a perspective of
where our priorities lie as a people. In many regards,
oftentimes white Americans follow us. I have heard it be
stated as such when Donald Trump won the first time.

(13:41):
Excuse me if there were arguments being made by a
certain faction of black folks who might not have won it,
forget political affiliation, who might not have won it Donald Trump,
and maybe mainly because of his followers, the MAGA contingency,
not wanting America to become that whatever that was. I've
heard it be stated as such, where folks will say,

(14:04):
we didn't go back to what is back to?

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I didn't come from Africa ancestrally, I did, but Stature
not from I.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Don't know nothing about it.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
So when when people make that comment, y'all chuckle. But
it's probably one of the truths that I love Stack
the most. And uh, I grew up with that thing.
It's so interesting because I grew up with Fred Taylor.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I did.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
And I don't mean literally, guys, I grew up with
that thing. I grew up with I grew up with
Matt Barnes, and I grew up with Stack.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
There's a common thread there. I grew up with.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Really tough fuckers who are super vulnerable and loving and stack.
There's never been a moment that you haven't greeted me
with a hug. It's very interesting. There's never been a moment, Matt,
that you haven't greeted me with a hug. The necessary,
the necessary permission of all permission given is for our
young black and brown men to be granted that. I

(14:58):
don't understand the season, even if it were more than
a year or two, the seasonal moment of no Homo.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I fuck with you, I'd never understand. I didn't understand that.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
I tried to play every single character in a way Matt,
where you felt o Mari in the character I'm saying,
priorities are such, where our people right. If you were
to hear someone say go back to what America's mind
and if you got Native American blood, which all three
of us do, I don't even care about the young

(15:30):
brothers who grew up going, nah my hair, ain't that shit.
I ain't got naive American. Probably the ones who didn't
think they had Native American had more Native American than
anybody in the room or in the huddle when were
growing up so in that regard, this is our home,
and in my opinion as it is our home, what
has been under displayed or under exposed for me, Matt

(15:51):
is the redemption of black and brown boy. What Ghosts
provided was he provided a look as to how it
looks to break good. They're being bad.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
What people rooted for at home was he's trying to
go right.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I made the dude of biblical character, and I've said
it to maybe ten individuals, but now say it on
this podcast, because Stack I love you, or Matt, I
may go.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Saul from the Bible.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Saul is very symbolic in any kind of template of
religious belief. It could be the Koran, it could be
the Torod, a book of lotterday Saints for Mormons. It
could be the Book of Hinduism, the Book of Buddhism.
It doesn't matter what it is. Phil Jackson was in Buddhist, right,
he'd say the same thing. There is that character in
whatever I happen to believe.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
In in Christ. That dude was Saul.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I always thought the show needed to end if he
ever became Paul, because then we have no more entertainment
of watching him try to become good.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
So Matt.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
When I say there's a contrasting difference, and I probably
haven't used that specific word, but when I speak on that,
my brother, what I'm really saying is I am so
much of Ghost, but there is so much more to
me than ghost because I wasn't written by Courtney. Courtney
never wrote Omri. Courtney wrote Ghost. So for a world

(17:12):
I would imagine at this point, twenty five and under.
For that fan base, it is harder to conceptualize that
because they get to not.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Every twenty five year old.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Some of y'all are phenomenally mature, but twenty five and
under for the most part.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
As you know, Matt, and you got kids growing and stack.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
You notice too, there is an ability to change your
look on every single post you post. So it's an
equal ability to believe you are something that you're not.
So my big thing, Mat is receive omar and then
dissect it from there once you meet me in person.
If you got five minutes, I get it, Matt. Where

(17:53):
you go five minutes is hard? Oh you have badgers,
claim that's hard.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
I get it. But even in five minutes, nigga, I'm
so much get me in five minutes. So in five minutes.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
You then decipher as you walk off, you go, how
much is like have fun with it, have fun with it,
just sit and think about it. But the other thing, now,
I'm gonna give you all, y'all roses. There's a reason
that all of these podcasts are so prevalent and so
prominent and so watched and so good. Siri included twenty
five and under has an amazing opportunity. I'm not picking

(18:24):
on that age group, but that age group specifically has
an amazing opportunity to do all research within a nanosecond,
right within a nanosecond. What team that Matt Barnes play for?
What teams has he played for? Didn't Matt ever play
a different position than the in minutes Steven Jackson?

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Was he actually close to George Floyd?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Was he not?

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Was he the uncle of George's daughter? When he How
quickly can it all come to you?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
So for me, these are moments, Matt, after an interview
like this, where you ask such a great question and
it's a dynamic question, so I have to answer it
in this kind of way.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
It's a very good question.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
It's not out spoken about the contrasting difference. It's an
outspoken reality of going, y'all do better with just hanging
out with the person first and then figure out the
character next. But there are a lot of people in
our world, and this has no chronological age to it,
who are really about the character who they've presented verse
who they go to sleep and imposta syndrome is a

(19:20):
motherfriger Yeah, it's a motherfucker. And so that's the big thing,
I guess, Matt, I am dealing with the world in
which if I do have some of the gifts that
our parents and grandparents felt some of the elder actors.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Had of actual chops and really having some chops.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Those incredible actors from Sicily Tyson to yaffiic Coda, the
Sydney Poitier to Lena Horn to Denzel to Angela Bassett
to Lawrence Fishburne there to Don Cheeto, Will Smith inclusive,
there wasn't a reality in that age group.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
The age group I just specified it.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Colored us throwing Latina actresses and actors included. There wasn't
a reality that they had to contend with a confused
audience member going, who are you actually? You kind of
knew you kind of knew that their character was relegated
to the screen, and when you met them out in public,
if you so lucky or blessed to get an autograph,

(20:17):
if that is that could sound pretentious. Maybe the public
figure wants your autograph. I'm a fan of fans, so
it's always gonna be weird for me. Bro I'm a
fan of fans. I'm not a fan of fanatics, because
I wonder fanatics love themselves and so I pray for that.
But a fan, a real fan who follows your life
and fucks with your family.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Oh, I'm a fan of that. That's a different human
to go everything you do. I rock with That's a
beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
So I've never had issues with those people being of confusion, Matt.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
It is the folks that are about a character verse.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Let me figure out who O is? The roads given
to you and a Steven as y'all do interviews. Why
not pull up on all the smoke. You can actually
sit down with me right now and let me let
me watch Power tonight. Wow, because I just watched all
the smoke, let me compare the differences. Oh, wasn't wearing
a suit, he didn't have a gun, he didn't murder somebody.
I wonder if the nigga ever did murder somebody. He

(21:11):
wasn't selling crack rock. He was selling stories, but not
crack like. I just want people to do math a
little bit better, particularly our people.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Bro. Our leverage increases, Our leverage increases.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
If me or a Drease are up for James Bond
and our fans are petitioning for it, if they get
more educated about the differentiation between the character and the person,
they could literally be going. I want Tomori to play it.
I want a dreas. Omar is happy if either one
of us get it. I love him and he'd be
happy if I got it. So I think for me,
mad As that I don't want you and Sweet say again.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
My broll black James Bond, you would kill that.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
You would kill that, bro, You would kill that shit.
You know I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
It's just I just want our fans to allow their
voices to be You got ahead on you, bro, you shocked.
They told me about you for you walked in, but
you sharp the shit you here, you sharp. I want
our fans to be a part of that. Matt, I do, Bro,
I do. I want our fans to be pro hip
hop is a three billion dollar company. It's a three

(22:15):
billion dollar company, not a company on Mario. Yes, it
is a company. It's an overriding, all encompassing company.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Last I check.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
You can count on one hand the people who look
like me, you and Steven who have some of those billions.
And it's not a three billion dollar company, not if
jay Z almost has three billions to himself. It's a
seventeen billion dollar conglomerate of reality.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
I want our fans to be more fan of themselves.
I'm big on that. I want people to really like
themselves more.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I just think it makes it all a bit more balanced.
You ain't got to run past your wife's dack and
bulldoze her to get to you, because you would the
one that someone salivated and wanted to meet. That's dope,
that's flattering and shit. You ain't got to run over
Matt's kids to get to Matt. If that day your
wife says some shit that actually saved your life. If

(23:06):
that day Matt's twins looked at him in a way
that may and Matt go, you motherfuckers really got it.
I'm the lucky one to be the father of y'all.
A fan runs past that to get to us. I
think once fans get a lot more in love with themselves.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
I think they can sit and go. There's a lot
on Murray in that character.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
But I equally see Omar so that when they meet
O mariy out they get to go I rock with you.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Fans are like, I miss you. I'm like, I'm so here.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
I'm right here, Stack, I'm so here, Bro.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I'm in Texas, man, right now, I'm in the state,
in an undisclosed.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Spot, the state that raised not only Stack, but equally
a differend of mine who grew up in Tarot, Texas,
and that being Eric Ak Jamie Fox. Like, I'm here, man, traded.
Truth is in Houston, j Prinn. I know a lot
of a lot.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I'm a Texas lover because I'm from the A.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah home, I.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Am at home, bro, So like I'm always here.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
People can always pull up and go let me just
how let you for a minute, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Characters or other characters you drew when you were coming
up with who ghost was going to be on the screen.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Matt you you're doing some ship today, bro, You motherfucker.
He's talented. You're looking at me like it's not doing
bad yet. No, No, he just burnt that just he
just burned out.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
That's just burnt out face, just burnout. You're not burn out.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, but don't believe that, not far.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I guess I was real big on on the era.
You spoke about you guys having fun with the Peaky
Blinders night in the pubs Dack, that's prohibition right, kills
killed it.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
He killed the movie that he and Robert Downe at Jr.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
One day.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
What an actor, great actor. I would love to work
with him one day.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
And who wouldn't want to work with you know, the
incredible director of course that Chris Nolan is.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
But in terms of Peaky Blinders.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Just to use that example to answer your question, Matt,
I went backwards and thinking about the gangs I went
to yesteryear, and what I did, Bro, was I tried
to grab from thine self. So so Matt, you threw
me THELB, my bro, you threw me the LIB and
going yeah, oh right, A righteous actor pulls from themselves
for sure, and to thine own self be true. And nigga,

(25:33):
we all flawed, the three of us might not in quantity.
And I tend to believe that executors don't perhaps carry
the quantity of flaws the number of flaws that the
cats we grew up with carry. But I would go
so far as to say, our flaws are almost bigger
than there. Our four are bigger than their fourteen. It

(25:54):
just is you're not You don't make it to the
NBA unless you're called to it.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
It's not a it's very political. It doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
It's not and uh and Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson
culture world can't say that, so I'm saying it for them.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
They were highly called. It's a very it's called. They
were chosen.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
So if I was part of a world in which
I was chosen, particularly as a Black American doing entertainment,
which sports is often forgotten about as entertainment, it is entertainment.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
And y'all are artists. You don't hear that enough, particularly
me being an next athlete.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I'm gonna sell y'all down the down the road of
celebrating the artists that you are all day long. And I
and I realized that if I needed to pull for
myself Matt, then I went, so what is Omari?

Speaker 5 (26:39):
What what can Omar bring this guy?

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Okay, Mary speak Spanish enough, right, Omar's been confused for
Dominican his whole life, Matt, You've been confused for being
Latino your whole life.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
So we what what? So?

Speaker 4 (26:50):
How does that look? Yes, this nigga's been confused with
being Cuban. Of course he hasn't look Matty, I saw
you look at him.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Matt, think I got kids of Dominican. Report.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Well, here's the other thing. Here's the ship.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I don't think there's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Last I checked when I watched Sammy Social Swinger bat
the first Sami, so I was raised watching motherfucker looked
like Steve they Ne motherfucker ended up looking like Matt Vaughn.
I look like Jim, shout out Sam. But in the

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in the grand scheme of of pulling out of myself,
Matt from me, I was like, I'm an athlete. I'm
a poet. That's a big thing, bro. I'm a poet,
so my sensibilities are different.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
A poet is not pent to pad.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
A poet is staring out a window and stack oh
and Matt saying to the.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Young poet, yo, what you're doing. And they're truly not daydreaming.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
They're devising whatever, playing the divisor to try to save
the world. So my outlook on life was perhaps more
of a poetic outlook. So I went as far back
bro as Langston Hughes and then meets Nicky Barnes. I
went Malcolm X, and then I thought Malcolm X, right,
so now let me go Miles Davis. I was marrying

(28:11):
Malcolm X to Miles Davis. I'm already raspy voiced like
Miles Davis. Then I was thinking, Nah, he shouldn't be
dressed like Tommy. I loved the way Joseph was dressed,
but to me, Ghot should be dressed like Nicki Barnes
and them with dreams. Why not wear suits? So I
loved that Courtney was down with that. It's just like suits.
It is crazy budget cutting into our budget because the
suits were a lot more expensive than anybody else's wardrobe

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outside of the Touri's dresses.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
But the reality is for me mad. It was really diving.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Back into the sixties bro and into Harlem Renaissance and
fucking Stokely and freaking Huey P.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Newton, and I was.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Really going a lot of black panthers, a lot of
activists because you know how it worked back then, and
particularly in that Berkeley area, right, particularly that Harlem area.
Like the way it worked was gangster, still got to gangster.
But I'd be damn if them activists weren't gonna make
you pass out Turkey's doing.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Oh nah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
So that was a beautiful marriage. And I think for me, Maddie,
I just thought, the goal in life.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
For me is that. What I heard is that? What
excuse me?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I heard God say, which is a mary, make the
world small as you can? I heard God say, Really,
when I was young, Matt, the age when you and
I played in a softball game at LA when the
twins what age they were and they were maybe six,
six or seven years old when I met match boys
at that age a little bit older.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
My son is nine.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I remember thinking Nov's twelve in a minute and a week,
brave as nine.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
I remember thinking, like the world to be small. That's
what Muhammad Ali did Wright stack right, Matt, Muhammed at
the world small.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
So I realized that my objective was to match what
God had wanted me to do my whole life.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
And now that I'm being cast as a.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Thirty eight year old young man to play such an
incredible character. I'll always think Curtis and Courtney for throwing
me the live of getting all I could think of?
So how do I make the world small on Sunday night?

Speaker 5 (30:03):
When is it air?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Courtney?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Sunday Night?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
What time?

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Cool? Oh? That time? Okay? So teenagers asleep, but they
gonna sneak it.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
So how do I make it where Nova's age, which
is almost twelve, all the way to the great grandparents
of a twelve year old. Now you're pushing ninety. How
do I get twelve and ninety in the same room
while Stacking his wife are debating about what's going on
between Ghost and Tasha. How do I get the pre
teen and the great grandma to equally debate.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
I'm talking about the teen directly debating with the great grandparent.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
And I just thought a show is one thing, but
God has really given me a gift to try to
make conversation happen via the use of me as a
pretty solid actor.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
And that was the thing.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I thought.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
The only way to do that is to go get
all the generations.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
So for me, Matt, it couldn't be the local homies
that I grew up, who was slinging crack rock.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
The nigger I grew up's name was Uli. I could
think about Uli for a minute. I'm from that.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I had to think about Uli because Uli was the
one who had the blood dripping for the chain. When
my big bro told me stop staring at Uli, it
only was like, Nah, that nigga's cool, And so Uli
embraced me.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Uli was dead within five years of embracing me.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
But equally, if I'm at Harlem during that time, wouldn't
a Malcolm Little now Malcolm X embrace me if Uli
did so? My thought was, whomever would embrace me, make
ghost an amalgamation of those people would embrace me. If
the gangster would take me in, and if the activists
would equally take me in, if you can marry the
two together, then you you're making the room smaller.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
When the room is the viewership of who's downing.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
In and watching it sounds like great balance, yeah, me,
because if it's one extreme, you balance it with something
something more level headed or so just being able to
balance balance the extremes, Yeah, to be able to garnish
the entire so that.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
You could feel that, so that you are a stat
could feel that now you're you're you're You're still the
same player that took a basketball and thrusted it without
releasing the basketball in a one Kobe breen Bryant's face.
That that's stat can say all that along. I think
like ghost though, Yes, that because you think a lot
like me. Word, Matt, you were the ghost of the
league at times, but you don't look like Dennis Robbin

(32:09):
he equally was or was Rick Mahrn That Nah, because
Rick wasn't his balanced.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
That's the point I'm making.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
You were balanced, Bro, the same dude you did that too,
became one of your dear homies.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
That to me, that's the objective.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Whether Canaan rocks with you at the three crop, like,
make it where they can all at least sit down.
That's what the mob boss is there, right, like just
sit down, just let's have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Did you get to keep all them suits because they
was fitted? Did you get to keep.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Them stacking joints all fitted just for me? Bro? Right
week before rap week before No.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Season six, No Think the Board Season six, Courtney, let
me go do a movie.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
I still had three episodes to do.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
You know that?

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Who done it?

Speaker 4 (32:51):
The final sixth episode where the who done It's right,
and I know a lot of the fans were mad, like, wait,
who done It's better? The reality of the who done it?
Is better to be the ghost a living But obviously
we learned that who done it? Were just about who
did it? What a conclusion being that ghost is not
a lie? I can say it now still hurts a
week before a stack like rap rap, pack up the

(33:14):
New York apartment rap rap, because I know the fate
of my character.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Remember the world.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I know the faith but you knew already.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Yeah, I think I had three episodes, but this is
after that. I had three episodes left. When Courtney did
a really cool, solid and let me go to a movie.
I did a movie with Nate Parker American. Skin had
to lose some weight, real real quick, had to gain
the weight back and then finish three more episodes of Power.
We are now finished the sixteenth episode of season six
and a half. I call it that because prior years,

(33:43):
except for season one Stack, we were ten episode season
one eight so final season sixteen, so season six and
a half. Frank Fleming, Who's phenomenal. He was the show's
clothing designer. He was the costume designers what you call it.
So he designed and the look of the show, the
whole thing. He was the costume designer as much as

(34:03):
much as someone is giving the credit up being a
set designer. He was the costume designer for all thirty
five to sixty characters, guest stars included. He called me,
he said, Oh, I don't know if you ever realized
how many suits we bought that were never used, that
they had tags on them, Homie, so some I hadn't
even done the nip tuck.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
They're all yours. Oh wow, I said, what he said,
They're all yours, just my rap gift to you.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Damn wow.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So I said, when can I come in? He goes,
your what are your? What's going on? I said, Jay
and I packing the New York apartment. We had bought
the spot in Denver, which you knew, Matt. We were
hiding out in Denver so doing the thing and the thing,
and Chauncey was excited about me coming back to denverstack
Chauncey billup shout out to Chauncy, like really excited. Champ
told me he was gonna stay in Denver if I

(34:54):
in fact really came back that Nigga left.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Champ.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
You left me home, but I was prepping to move,
and uh, I went bro. I was so excited that
and I found there's so many suits.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I was like, wow, felt so complimentary.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, you deserved them.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
It was so many suits. She said, Okay, I got them.
I said, are you are you doing? And he said, no,
you I can. He said, I know your measurements. So
pick out five, I said. He said no, no, no, you're
getting seventy five suits. But pick out five that you
could use right away for future things, interviews, whatnot. And
then I'll get those done the way that all the

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other suits.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Man.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
That look you got so within that space.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of those five suits being made and the other seven
years so floating.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Stolen.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
No.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I called Frank and I said, are you mailing him?
You said you were mailing them, they were shipping them.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
He said, oh.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I said it wasn't ship one of them moves. Huh
oh it was his ship.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
No, not Frank, now, Frank, No, Frank was right.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
He was right, almost in tears, right, said Frank, I
never got those suits. Crickets on the phone. Frank has
offered me to buy some of those suits. Years have passed,
obviously spent five years since that show.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
It so hurt him that he is offered to buy
some of those suits.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Some of them either Oswald and or Tom Ford, whatever
suits I got from that show, or whatever suits I
had gotten or been gifted to war to either promote
power and or any other thing, and stack those suits
just happened to not be returned.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
From the closet. The entire.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Rolodexum suits never got Wow, Thomas Man, you.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Got you special because you just made a motherfucking suit
story so suspenseful and had everybody on that I tell
about suits, and he just had me running like, God, damn,
what have these suits? Think this nigga?

Speaker 5 (37:03):
But but but I had to tell you that way.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I had to tell There's no other way to tell
you the story, Matt, because I wanted it to be
known that the benevolence involved in that was that Frank
had called and said, I have all these suits you
and I can't not tell that story because Frank was
a g for setting those suits inside for me. So
for me, it is the thought that counts. As corny
as that may sound, that's real. He really really was,
Like I got these suits for you, bro, and so

(37:28):
he and I.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
You could use the word ghost all you want in
many facets in life, but in this regard it's pretty apropos.
I guess a ghost took them because I never saw
those suits again.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
On that's a real story, bro.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
And if I could, if I could elongate the pat
less stack gott of putting the motherfucker suits on you.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Pimpin yeah, I told you six seven, Yeah, I would
have put suits with so different.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Early in the morning of the show too, that nigga
suited up at seven am like that, waking up early
early to be making Tom he's gonna kill.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
His first I always wonder, I always you know, I know,
y'all give credit to Spike Lee for being such a
part of the basketball movement and hip hop becoming so
synonymous with basketball. Spike has a lot to do with that.
You think about Michael Jeffrey Jordan and his commercial, there's
a lot, you know the relationship there. Power was such
a beloved showing the hip hop culture. I always wonder

(38:34):
what you guys experienced was either coming outro in terms
of almost exiting stage left as NBA greats and still
playing when Power was rocking. I always wonder what it
what the buzz was for the NBA in terms of
players watching it.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
With it, man, A lot of as soon as the
game over.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
You seen the new show Power Mad because.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I wanted to binge watch it. I don't want to
know when to talk about it because I don't like
just watch one is not enough for you go. I
like to watch at least two, three, four, call asleep
on you know what I mean? So, and then rewatch
that when I leave off. So I never really want
but we were all fucking with that ship.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm the guy that like on Hulu some shows come out,
They're supposed to come out Thursday, but they come out
eat them before the out midnight.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I've been waiting on them. I'll be waiting.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
You ain't seen what happened to this the whole day up?

Speaker 6 (39:22):
Man?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I know you see Kill last night? Oh my bad?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
But did you watchoo wife Field?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Did you so?

Speaker 5 (39:29):
But you had to? She would get mad like.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I didn't watch it. Yeah, that's how we are now
still with shows with Yellowstone.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm anna ask so when me and my
girl fight, I'm gonna go watch our show without her?

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Yeah, you would you? And then actly would you play
it off like you ain't seen it?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm gonna letter. See me, I'm a letter, Come downstairs
and see me in my little spot.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Probably leave that day.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
That's what I'll be doing. We getting our fights. That's
my pettiness is I'll watch the show we're watching together
by myself, like ye see, fuck you.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
That.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I was reading the book before it started. Do the
fans of all the smoke y'all got crazy fans? Now
y'all got a lot of fans. Do they understand what
you meant when you said we make love to pressure?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
I don't think a lot of people do.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
What would what would your I want to carry that
for the next twenty years of mine? You talked about
Star Trek. That's a different kind of pressure. I'm truly
in space.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
That's a different barometric literal pressure.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
How you act like you in space, that's a whole
different thing.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
That's crazy, It's a different thing, right.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
So in my mind, I'm like, what that I want
to carry as a mantra? Your answer to what that
means to we make love to pressure? When I think
about the next twenty years of my career.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I can say this.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
It was exactly the way I thought of it when
I was being asked about my road to get into
the NBA. Everything I've been through, a big brother getting killed,
all the stuff I've oed in on certain stuff at
drugs at nineteen twenty years old, like all the stuff
I've been through.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I was asking the question because I was.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
It was after the championship, and they said, nothing broke,
but you've been through so much stuff and you stay,
you made to this point like this doesn't feel great.
I said, I make love the pressure because I know
how to make love to the good and bad times.
So when it's when I'm down on having a bad time,
you won't know it because I'm thankful for being alive
and I got a day. I'm alive today to make

(41:22):
things better. You know what I'm saying. The good times, yeah,
you'renna enjoy the good times, but I know how to
enjoy the bad the same way. So I make love
the pressure.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
I love that ak Frankie Beverly saying joy and pain.
Can't he did?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's it. That's it. That's it, Joy and paint, that's it.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
And you really need it, and even today being successful,
I'm still trying to find joy.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, so much pain still in me. There haven't let
out there.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I want you to know it's gonna stay there. I
just need that full circle. Matt Barry said, could Stack
be an actor? He wants to be an actor? Shack
I said, when I got money, and not money money,
but like the beginning of the career, like grid Iron gag,
you know, Dwayne Johnson two thousand and five money, I
remember thinking.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Damn, I'm not gonna have pain anymore. I needed the pain.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Who's a dude who used to let me live on
his couch in La And he said to me, said, bro,
that ain't go nowhere anything.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
It's in the front. I said, somebody that's in the
back pocket. Hell no, I said, once it's there's there.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
And sometimes Stack, I would listen to Tupac and I
always loved that Tupac felt still hungry to me. And
then I would listen to BIGGI and I was like, Damn, Biggie,
don't sound hungry no more. Maybe it wasn't that Biggie
was lacking the hunger and or the passion. Maybe it
was that Pop just felt this urgency to work on
the pain at all times, and Biggie might have decided

(42:47):
at times when the camera's not wrong, apartment was constantly
working on it. So part of my answer to you, Matt,
that's what I was answering that I think Stack could
be a great actor because Stack, I'll always see your pain.
So if you say, but oh, you see my joy
a fucking lutely, but I see your pain, bro, I
think it's one of the dopest shits about you. I

(43:08):
just really don't want people to try to Pain should
not be discarded in the nearest trash can.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Pain is unbelievably beautiful.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Hallmark cards only work during Valentine's Pain is everything else,
it's everything.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Right, Well, the joy wouldn't feel so good without.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Without the pain, I mean, all the smoke is why why?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Why why did y'all title it that? I'll ask you
that man.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
We were high as heir and his sister was high
with us, and she said it was.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Like, you're right, that's it right there, But it's double
it's double meaning.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
But you know it's double meaning.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
He mighty say something like that, and it just rings
to you like you don't even question it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
That's it, you know, Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
If you knew better, you do better.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yesterday we did a show with Roy Jones and Are
Watt their partners with us.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Oh nice, all the smoke fight with our boxing side right.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh I love that man, and and congratulations, gratulations and.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Art of war and show song to is.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
That's a crazy This was our first time doing a
cross show.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
So I just came up, came up with the name
for the cross show. What is it? Ar the smoke?
I just said it just out the blue?

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Am I am my guest host? Why not?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
So we asked the question, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, I would love, I would love.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
We asked the question. We asked him a question. We
asked him a question. What entertainer our athlete would be
good to fit in with Roy Jones and Andre Ward?
Who can look good talking about the boxing with him?
I could, we asked, And we asked him that question. Also,
and I know you.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Can be a sport iu with be hop of with
Roy olive Is and fellow Capricorn level maybe one of
the greatest athletes we ever had as a monk.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
We talked about that could play the basketball game or
it wouldn't beat somebody up later that night.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, Pensacolas find us. I would do that in a heartbeat.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, we definitely gonna have you lined up.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
There were born and raised in g a tight knite family.
I live in about the last twenty years. Painted picture
of your of your upbringing, and how was it?

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Mama popped both home Stack, which.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Was such a blessings. And it's an interesting thing when
that becomes such a blessing in our community, as you
know Stack, When all of a sudden somebody will say
Cosby family just because of mom and a popper both
in the house, you ain't got to be financially where
Claire and Cliff Huxtable words.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Both Cosbree family.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
So that was a very unique reality for me, for
especially when I looked at the left and the right
and it was an all black neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
I grew up off Wesley Chapelin snap Fingerstack.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
You know where it is non gentrified Decatur, Bro, this
ship is still not gentrified. I gotta go back and
do whatever I can to get it right. I planned to,
and it's getting right. There's beautiful businesses there beautiful people,
but it just sort of forgotten about it in the
downtown decayed areas. Start about more five of us in
the house as in kids, because the oldest brother was more.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
He was in and out.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
He played at more House and as I told you all,
he went on to play for Detroit, but he was
definitely raised as the oldest brother. He was murdered, and
then Malik is over me. I definitely got middle kids syndrome. Shit,
I can relate to j cole song and then Jamil
who matt un Stack of course know who's in LA
and then Shiney was the lone.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Sister and uh all black neighborhood Browns.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Male baseball soccer got kind of boring quick. Baseball turned
to basketball, turned the football, and then at one point
I was playing all three and was doing that in
high school as well.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
But Golden Glade is still there.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Stacked.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
I went to do a video for the Golden Clad
song that's off the Grammy nominated album, and the skating
Ring they try to close it down, my bro. The infatigable,
undefeatable spirit of Decatur is replicated or reflected in the
fact that the skating ring that raised us, Bro is
still there.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Not not not Cascades cast games was dope. This is
called Golden Glide.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
The song, yes, right, that's the that's the two aunt.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Yeah, and I grew up right there, Bro. We was
in the woods, Texas was the same. We played in
the woods, right, growing in the woods.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
BB still in my hand from getting shot to this day,
you know, in my in my uh, I would say
six to twelve, thirteen year old running around self folks
then moved the Stone Mountain. I'm in high school by then.
But de caatur, I don't really, I don't you know.
I said, I did a song recently, Bro, I got

(47:55):
a project that the world will here soon and uh
it's with an incredible cap from North Carolina, Anthony Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
And Anthony had challenged me.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
He said, oh, I want the world to know more
about where you're from and being the stack y'all know this.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
As a musical artist, you do say where you're from.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
As an actor, you don't as much because you got
to hide out be wherever that character needs you to be,
wherever that characters from.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
But I have.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Stated it in songs, even in a song where they have,
but Anthony missed it. So he was like, on this project,
I want you to really put it out there. I
was like, okay, So I did a song about it,
and at one point it was a real nice, joyous
moment to your point about joy Stack, where I said, man,
I fuck around and realized in the middle of writing

(48:40):
the verse, shit, ghosts from where I'm from, so as
much as ghosts from New York, but ghosts from where
I'm from. Because if y'all really believe in, all of
the fans have humbled me equally and making me believe in.
Curtis and Courtney hired me saying it's you, it's your role,
this ship was made for you.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Then ghosts were from where are you from?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
So that's an interesting, uh kind of perspective to look
back when being asked, you know, how was your upbringing
on and I think about it, I'm like, what's the
most humbling part of that answer, Stack is the fact
that any part of my upbringing is now forever in
every single job and role I take on that I
get to carry the cater with me in that way.

(49:21):
That's kind of a really cool thing, and I guess
we all do. If we get a stage in a
microphone wherever we're from.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, you played all three sports.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
He was nice and all of them.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Really really nice and not trashing anything nothing.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
So you hoop baseball and football.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah, and uh starter all three really good in baseball,
which Matt Madden and I played baseball together, really good
in baseball.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
That nigga was crazy baseball.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I was really good in baseball, Pops thinks that was
my best sport obviously.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Stack.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I was a really good football player, running back, running
back in the dB corner. You know, high school you
go both ways, but as you know, collegees end up
recruiting dbs because it's so rare to find good dbs.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Yeah, and then in.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Basketball, I was a really solid player play point guard obviously,
and really solid and still get down with it, which
is why Chris Matthews with me lethal shooter. I'm gonna
get out there with you at Maddick. We ain't never
done that. But how you ain't invited me? You one
of the great basketball players the NBA. You ain't never
invited me to play ball.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
You never played in the Luttle game.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
And yeah, I played in the lot game weekend. Yeah
played and I just played together. We destroyed that. We
were crazy Ludas still do his lot weekend.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
You still doing okay, he still do it?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Yeah, shout out, I got it, starting to walk of fame.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yes, sir, he got big. That was a big yeah. Man.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You end up going to Georgia and cross Paths with
a lot of talent, from Champ Bailey to Terrell, David Heines,
Ward Kirby, Smart with Herby. What was that experience?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Like?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
It was interesting while being in it because you didn't know,
as you know, Matt, you you didn't know, especially with football,
you might know the fate of some of these cats,
but you didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Really know, really didn't know.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, it's different for y'all because you know when you're
in a college campus. Matt's at UCLA, guys, he's did
you grow well in school?

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Were you six six?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Then?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I was already okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
He was already familiar with the campus too. Before he
got there, he had been a thought.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Did you just take a drink? Because of that, now.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I'm confused on what he was saying. I didn't know
what the fu he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
You wasn't getting yeah, CLA campus there.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, I was like, I've always kind of did my
thing but.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
He's going to hooping and all that before you went
to school, right.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
He thought you were saying. There was a moment where
I remember, this was a crazy moment.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
I remember when Hans Ward who was playing wing back,
a little bit quarterback, a.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Little bit to wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I remember when Haines was being set because he was
so gifted that they couldn't figure out where to play him.
And so I think when I referenced basketball and then Stack,
you were going through a different journey than Matt.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
But you was a baller nonetheless.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
From y'all the freaking Monsy Bogues right growing up in
the Baltimore area he grew up in. Once you get
on a college campus as a basketball player, y'all really
do stick with each other. It ain't but like you know,
eleven players on the team or whatnot. The football players
are so bountiful in number that sometimes you look back

(52:46):
and you go, damn, did.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I know that one was going to end up? It
was so many cats.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, and you just racking each other every single day
that there's not necessarily standout moments in practice, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
But sometime time during the Saturday games.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
You were like, oh, shit when they moved Robert Edwards
from dB excuse me, and put him at running back.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
The year that Terrell left.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Terrell had transferred in as y'all know, from Long Beach State,
they lost their program. He transfers to Georgia and really
didn't get enough burn at Georgia. But as y'all also know,
John Elway has no rings without Terrell Davis, and then
Terrell's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
Terrell was the same way as he is now then
to me.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
As was Champ, as was Travis Stroud, Robert Edwards, Randall, Godfrey, Kirby,
not as much Kirby. In terms of this thing. I'm
gonna say they were real big on yo. If the
football don't work out for u, O, you got some
shit with this poetry stuff, with this art stuff. Because
I was minoring in theater and already doing stage plays.
There was one player in that group outside of Robert.

(53:48):
Once Robert went to running back, and I knew Robert
was gonna get a real shot in the league because
he took off as a running back after leaving us
in the defensive backfield, Corey Johnson was free safety. Kirby
backed him up Champ ORLANDI Sims, myself, Buster, Douglas, Ron Bailey,
Champs older brother, Kirby Smart, I said, Kirby, all of

(54:09):
us are defensive backs. When Champ came in and I
had a year with him, there was the moment where
you went, oh, he's out here. So there was that
moment where that was obvious, and you know occasionally you
get oh, like he's out here. Did I know he'd
become arguably the top three defensive back of cover corner

(54:29):
of all time?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (54:30):
And right three? I mean yeah, right, cover corner definitely
up there, top five, top five cover corner.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
So so Dionavs check Dale Green Green Green. I would
say no, but Charles a strong safety free corner, Okay,
I would give Champ over him at I would. I
would go corner. Definitely cover corner. You gotta put Champ
before you put Dale Green up there, and then you

(54:59):
put and then you Rod Woodson is one of the
greatest all around defensive backs, right, Ronnie a lot stupid
at free safety, Steve at Water two, But cover corner,
I guess the right right to the top four, Yeah,
you know, sure, So there was It was an amazing
time for me. Matt being in the SEC because we
were building it. I look at it now and I'm like,

(55:21):
we're not building it in the in the way that
Herschel and Bo Jackson were building it. But I'm realizing
now we were building it in the way that now
it's premiered in the playoff system when there wasn't a
playoff system, meaning that every year parentally the SEC ends,
so that we were building that.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
For a minute now has been that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
How did being an athlete prepare you to be an actor?

Speaker 4 (55:46):
I think, first and foremost the number of people on
a on a movie set working with the team. Yeah,
because again specific to the sport, the football team has
so many people in the locker room, man on the sideline,
and I think the first level of preparation, maybe that's
the last. Maybe that's the last step of preparation because
they got to make it to a movie set, right.

(56:07):
But in terms of getting through auditions and all of that,
it's just the rejection.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
I feel like every single day your coach is rejecting
you at some point, is am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
So I just feel like the audition process just didn't
affect me negatively. You and Stack started out this conversation
with saying y'all try to bring just positivity to the
world of conversation. I hate calling them interviews, this conversation
pull up a chair and have a conversation, and y'all
having to be.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Really successful at it. But I think a lot of
that we learned as athletes.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
I know it was me individually, but when you asked that,
you're asking all of us.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
I think the three of us just really deal well
with what is rejection.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Rejections just that day's telling you no, but the next
day you're gonna tell me yes. And I'm gonna do
everything i'm my power to get you to tell me yes.
So I think I don't know how an athlete doesn't
carry every day that they wake up. I don't know
how they don't carry that athletic thing that they have
right every day.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Y' all athletes right, whether the room whom you're meeting
with understands it or not.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
So forget acting. I think it prepped me for life,
bro like being an athlete is. I'm so thankful God
gave me athletic gift because what if it wasn't there.
I don't know if there's better training than that of
an athlete, which is why so many jobs Fortune five
hundred companies included go Yes, come hither.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yes, give you a chance athlete. I was brought up
with biracial parents, my mom being Italian, my dad being black,
and I remember I remember being young on the Italian side,
my family didn't accept my mom, my dad, or even

(57:45):
us as children until I was maybe seven or eight.
And then then it became a great relation with her
side of the family. But early on there was an
acceptance with your marriage. You know, we read that your
wife's side disowned her for dating outside of her race.
What did that mean to you?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Well, initially, you know it has to bother you because
you care so much about you know, this person, So
you feel like that's a personal attack attack. You feel
like it's a And again there were times that Jay
would have to remind me, like this is you know,
I gotta get let me, let me experience the heat
not only for you, but let me also experience the

(58:24):
pain before you jump in front of the train and
go I got hit because it's you know, the direct
hit is not to me. But I don't know what
man has a pair between his legs and isn't wanting
to get in front of that, right that that locomotion
running over your your significant other you care.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
So much about. And so.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, that was that was a real interesting reminder that
sometimes the apple doesn't necessarily fall, you know, that that
close to the tree. And uh and that in whatever
year that was, twenty years ago I met her. That
damn as much as things have changed so much, as

(59:04):
not changed so much. And you always think that kids
would would would do it, that braven Nova being Matt
Barnes would make grandparents go fuck it, look at these
beautiful grandkids.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
And her mother eventually did.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
But uh, but Pops outroed without without ever having a
part of that, and uh, you know he I guess
god is who has nationality is? You can't tell? I know, right,
She's like a month, You're like, what is Jay?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Jay?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
When doing her family history, finally learned that there's a
whole bit she's German, but there's all this Turkish which
the Turkish is at Yakut, which is the Aboriginals of Turkey,
and there Indians from Turkey. So for years people didn't know,
you know, a lot of a lot of people didn't
really know what Jay was.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
When I met her, I couldn't tell.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I don't know. It didn't matter.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
But everywhere we go, you know, it's always been a
history of going to a country that if we're in
Matt's native uh Italy, which is obviously part of matsan
ancestral line. If we're in Italy, Stack people go Italian.
If we're in Israel, they start speaking.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Arabic to her.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
If we're in you know, whatever that particular language is,
or a particular country that we're in, they tend to
think that she is that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
So I don't you know, I don't know. Somebody said
one day she just looked like a character from the Bible.
Just one of the things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
My wife is to telling her mama talk about that
same ship. Her mom say that her whole family disowned
her like for for life because she got her husband.
My wife's dad is from DC, a real black man,
and she said once she's had a babey him like
they like to this day. My wife beople asking like, Mom,
I want to meet some of my family. You have

(01:00:47):
any family, and it is I don't know nobody. Yeah,
she don't know nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
But that's the thing. Stack is such a it's it's
an instinct, you know. I know it's an instinct.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
When you say real black man, it's like, butta you
also know, like Matt's a nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
So what I'm saying is no, I know, you know.
But what I'm saying is what also makes it hard.
And I imagine that you know, it's different for Matt.
I've talked to Halle Berry about this, right, bi racial
and in that era, bro really different and Matt's era
really different than it is for Novan Brave.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
But you can't have Omari in the house and not
come out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
With some tendency.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
You can't. I don't know how to. I can't. It's
this nigga. I say nigga, and he still got residue
trying to get out of him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
And I say niggas their hardest.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
They will try their hardest to uh, you know, to.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Unculture. You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
And there's so many people that that have had misnomers
or you know, it's a misnomer to think like, oh,
if you interracially marry, you just stopped being Like no,
you don't stop being who you are who you are.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
The person just has to adjust to that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
And you know, we also know that in our bowl
of whatever called all black people, there's a motherfuckers in
there that you wouldn't necessarily want to rock with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
So all skin folks ain't kim folk. All skin soak
aint caim fold.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
So it's that's a that's a yeah, Maddie, I've always
felt I mean, maybe Stephen and I both failed from you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
A lot of people do a lot of a lot
of a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Of the pain I see in Steven's eyes, or the
pain that are are is the pain.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
I should say that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
It's very specific to what I know about stax life,
and I know a lot about his journey. I don't
know everything, but I know a lot. And I see
the chip on your shoulder, and it's a good chip.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
It's good. Jason Kidd does the same thing. Same ship.
It's just good.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
It's like it's it's what it is, same ship.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Is that all that? All that Oakland ship that I'm
Atlanta's Oakland?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
There at very.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Very similar, bro very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Now you're talking raised language.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Here we go, right oak the boy right there?

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
It's real.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
You know, even if Phoene was she really wanted Tupac
and Atlanta. It's it's a real there's a very Boots rally.
And I got along really well man, if that makes
sense to you. When I did Sorry to Bother you,
that Oakland nigga and this the Cat nigga, we was very.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Tight Miss Boots.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Before we get out of here and work with him again,
before we get out of your fatherhood?

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Everything is that what you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah? Everything? What does it mean? What does it talk
to you? But what does it mean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
First?

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
And form is what It's definitely taught me that they
know more than us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
What's the ages nine.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
And no Bravest nine and Nova will be twelve, no twenty. First,
the irony is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
The level of patience.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Obviously that that we have to have and uh, and
it's taught me man to you know, Maddie, when I
was doing the freaking power Ship, I'd wake up and like,
I get off. Maybe, especially those first two years we
were trying to you know, establish the show and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
I get off.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
And I love that they really pushed it towards Joseph
season two right he was. They were able to develop
Tommy Moore in season two of those first that first year,
especially oh bro, So if I got off two am.
You know, I'd be up and y'all know I'm already
naturally rasped me. But then I'd have no voice the
next day, and then I'd be holding nov and Brave
the Brave wasn't born yet, holding over and Jay would be.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Like, Man, you gotta go to this. I said no.
So what it's taught me Mad is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Like, oh if I don't hold him, I knew the
show was gonna be successful.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
This show ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
So the show's gonna take some years from my relationship
with her, and if not my relationship in terms of
intrinsic bond between she and I, then at least my
relationship in terms of time allotted for us to hang.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
It's gonna take it, Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
So for me, it has definitely taught me that my
instincts couldn't have been taught, which is get all the
time you can get while getting it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
But now, Bro, I have to be so patient with this,
especially with the girl.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Man, you got three boys four, Yeah, you have another son, stack,
you got a daughter, right, so you know how it goes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
You know how it goes with the daughters.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Yes, the level of because you got nephews stack the
level of maturity MB for the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Girls, I gotta I got a thirteen year old stepdaughter.
She's sitting in the room all day, talking shit to
both of us and listening to music and wearing clothes.
We comeing out the room like, what the fuck are
you wearing? Like it's it's there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
And then their brain, their brain is so developed that
and Novah's been fine with the clothing, she's not. But again,
you're thirteen. Mine's not even twelve yet there's there's the uh,
where's my I want to I'm miss baby. It went
fast with Novah, it went brave. Still Brave was on.
They took me to UH to dinner to celebrate the

(01:06:06):
Grammy nomination and uh and brave is still not. Yeah
nine ballin Ballin' ballin great crazy basketball player, as is
Jamal's son Heart my nephew Hart.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
They both can ball out, but.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Nova volleyball transition out of baseball not softball. Mattrees baseball player,
rock and rolling.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Very gifted.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Young lady played in her first played her first character
played Raffiki and Lion King last year.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Really, we've got a lot of gifts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Thank you for that and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Brave Bill lay goals in five seconds, mad if he
can't finish it in ten seconds, Like, they're very very
gifted kids, but his to your point, there is still
a child there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
I'm like, I got some years.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Well, nova, bro, I'm like, I hope she don't be
eighteen tomorrow. So it's taught me patience. It's definitely taught
me to really value their their their their feelings because
as Maddie, they get to have feelings in ways that
we didn't get to have feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
And privileges that we couldn't talk and I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
We can't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
We were They would tell you, actually don't speak unless
spoken to, and it was we could express ourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
We had to fun. I grew up having fun with them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Feelings my uncles.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
And nots were incredible for me and my cousins. But
we definitely were not allowed and by the way, we
were outside all day. We weren't allowed that, but we
could be outside all day all day. Man, the kids
can't go down the street to thee.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
They can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
It sucks what happened. I think the world changed. There's
a lot of weirdos, too many weirdos out there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Social media flush brought that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Out anywhere else, and then video game trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
They picking up kids and Yankee kids up all kind
of shit and they safe.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I missed that. I didn't mean to cut you out,
but I just missed because I think about all the
life you learned from that, just being outside, from that,
as soon as we can get outside until the lights,
was outside, drinking hose water, playing in the creek, playing
in the woods, going.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Back, fight fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
You learned everything by being outside and then become close
to the dude. You You learned everything how to beat
that for somebody. You know, all you learned, all that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Shit is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
It's terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
So when you asked that, it's interesting to ask because
I could imagine you asking that. If you and Stack
had to show twelve years it's a different you know,
twenty years ago. For sure, it's a very different reality.
And I'm in my mind thinking, wow, I remember moments
where at least these kids are athletics, so they're not
playing the video games all day.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
But I remember moments.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Where I'm sitting and listening to a conversation between adults,
even if I'm not involved in the conversation between adults.
Kids now get to go what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Say what interrupting and talking about we're talking. It's different dad,
to be parents now right now, to be parents. My
dad used to think playing video games will fuck up
the color on the TV. Did he think that a
nick was crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
He thought he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Would fuck the color up if we put the video
game on the TV while he is at work. What
he's saying, fucking my color up? Now you used to
think to fuck the color. I don't know. I mean,
he was off a lot of different drugs. So, but
that was the one thing he thought was putting the
video game on the TV. Fuck the color up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
They used to tell us because the controls only went
so far oh from the court, So they to tell us,
did you sit there close to the TV, You're gonna get blind?

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Yeah at that point, you know what I'm saying. So
they didn't play the game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I can't see where the ship so that might have
been true.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Yeah, but the teeth, but the freaking the phones.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Now, the kid's gonna be You said your daughter played
Lion King. She did you play with in the movie or.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
The play the Broadway? No?

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
No, no, playing school?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Okay, okay, so okay, after because my godson is he
in it? He played two years he played Simba and
Uh Broadway in New York and The Lion King and
The Original, The Best, The Original, and then he just
got through doing Michael Jackie played Marlon and Michael Jackson Jackson.
Now he's in the movie playing Marlon and Michael movie

(01:10:00):
that's been that's getting shot. That your nephew, my godson.
Hats off, bro, Yeah, shout out jack He's he's unbelievable kid, brolable.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
That's super the hewed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Is he that's he's fourteen now and he made a
song called black boy Joy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Y'all go check it out.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
He's just rocket.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
It's just good for the youth to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Spotify could go and get it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, black boy Joy. He's super positive, good kid. Shout
out to his mom, Shout out to his dad. Snap
hunted like they're doing a great Where is he lim Memphis?
Listen Memphis? So yeah, from Dayna.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Well Mark, it's been a it's been an in depth,
beautiful long overdue too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Bro. We can do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
We sit here talk all night before we get out
of here, and we got some quick hitters for you.
So first thing to come to mind. Let us know
five dinner guests U plus five did or alive? Who's
at your table?

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I love this ship. That's a good question. I want.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
It's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
This thing I want to Muhammad Ali is back there.
I get to hang with him before he passed about
two years. Shout out to may Mae Ali and his
doorter for hooking that up. And and uh, Malcolm X
is there for sure. Uh you know who I've always loved.
You're gonna You're gonna trip on this. I've always wanted
to just pick his brain. Davante from Joessy Beautiful mind,

(01:11:12):
I just beautiful mind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Do you hear the crazy? But then you hear how
talented and how smart he was?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah, it was a brains man all that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
That's the that's the first first time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Yeah, yeah, special And and the and the brother. I
check on him a lot, y'all know the brother. Now
he's playing college ball with the one arm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
We coached. I coached him in the opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
So I've been talking to him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
But I would love for a manual to not only
be at that table, but to be able to because
because his tears would start when when when I put
him on the spot by telling him how many of
those greats at the table admire that he can do
something that none.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Of us can do. Most won't even have, most don't
have the confidence to do with two arms. Crazy, right,
Think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
You got people that two arms that don't believe in
the basketball skills he has.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
One and confidences through the roof. I love it. I
love it. Bro and a good kid.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
I love talking to him.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
And and then I would say, I got Lastie, last
Sie making a special seat.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
I never got to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I met Prince a lot so but I never got to.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
I never.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
It's so tough, Matt, because who I want to say,
because I never got to meet this gentleman, and that
being Michael Jackson. But but I want to say Quincy.
I want to say Quincy. I never I met Quincy.
Very quicken and passing. But I'm so musical. There's got
to be somebody that's a musical giant there that can

(01:12:57):
go back and forth between Davante and I think that's
that's interesting like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
It's a nice table. It's interesting conversations. Some ship, right, yeah,
some real ship.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
What was your mount was Davis to Broda would be
Miles would be killing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Your mount Mount Rushmore. Of actors.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Only get four slots or.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
For this, nigga said five.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
He was trying to have been a new mountain. Okay,
I ain't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Dead over there tripping.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Mount Rushmore. That's amazing. The one who made me want
to become an actor. I saw him in a stack,
still laughing at you. Nigga, usually come sit with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Come I have that in there comes sit.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
I feel they told me before you came in. You
know what your name precedes. But God bless you though,
oh the fact that you're here. God bless you Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
So the actor Stack who maybe one act I saw
Raging Bull and I was blown so Robert Dinner on
first almost.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I was blown away.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Denzel Uh, Meryl Street. God, I got one slot left.
My honorable mentions would absolutely be Marlon Brandon and Steve McQueen.
But and I really love Angela Bassett. But but I'm

(01:14:48):
going to say rest in peace. Having just passed the
range of James Earl Jones was crazy. I think about
from Darth Vader two to to to Bingo Long traveling.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
To Conan too, to think it's coming to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
To even Sandlot, guys Sandlot like like James Earl. Jones's
range was just some Claudine right, but he played in
Claudaine and long jefviy. I just think James was as
special as they come, great White Hope, right, James O. Jones,
So that that would be Those four were pretty magnificent.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
One album on repeat, damn it, only one? Only one,
y'all truly all all to smoke. This is unbelievable. One album.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I want to do two and you can do? You
mar you do you want give me two?

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
I'm gonna give you two.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Ship on repeat, on repeat, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Michael Jackson's off the Wall, Jones. I'm gonna say Michael
Jackson off the Wall, and then I'm gonna sit.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
I just love this dude's voice. It's so amazing. What's
the album? What's the album? Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Chris Stapleton's album, and it might be where I'm at
these days?

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
What's this album called? Know? The New One, the brand
New One? Higher?

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Chris Stapleton's Higher, because what I wanted to give you,
Matt was where I'm presently at. So Chris Stapleton is
on repeat and we in textas, so fuck it. Chris
Stapleton's album is on heavy repeat. That albums called Higher,
and I think I've always kind of gone back to
Michael Jackson's Off the Wall and it just never gets old.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
I freaking love that damn Mary J. Blige album.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
No, My Life, My Life, that's you got to start there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
That joint was k C shout out to marriage Pleasure
riding that damn motorcycle stand riding that bike. I love that, Matt,
that gave that sound right away. At this point, Jay
and the kids have relegated me to riding in the
neghborhood and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Part of the club.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
No, I was at one point.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Yeah, it was definitely me and Uh, Malcolm, Jamal Warner
and uh and f Gary Gray will ride with us
as well, Malcolm F Gary Grade. When I was in Cali,
Matt and I was really riding Angela's crest.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
I was really too tempary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I was going at it too dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
It's too crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Because you know when I started stacking, wasn't there's no
cell phones when I started riding the motorcycle. Now it's crazy.
It's not the cyclist, right, The motorcyclists are usually pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
People on the phones on their cars.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
But it is a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
It is in sweets. I still really I always like
my cookies, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yeah, I like my get away from that. You the same?

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
What that caka pie for you? I'm a I'm a cookie.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I make cookies. I baked cook You never give me
no cookies fire none. You lean in to say that
what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
He talking about that? You peels bury out the the.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Thing the butter that was look was that he was
pissing and came off the bro.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I got him oat mill pecan. Though I know what
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
I'm only old.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
I'm no other cooks. I'm an oatmeal guy, oat mill pecan,
no rais. I don't do raised he the pecan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Would you hooked me up? Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I got you, Bro, I was I was holding. Somebody
asked because my MoMA gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Make some ship wrong stack for real.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I just made a gumbo a couple of days ago.
I'm like that in the kitchen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
You are like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I'm Judy's son, Judy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Judy's birthday this weekend, not even jud Judy Judy at
happy birthday coming up on my birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
The Texas birthday is on the twenty of this month.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Birthday that's the day before nov the day before my daughter. Yeah,
hay birthday all you birthday, Judy?

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Is your is your Monday?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Is that still scorpio that the cunning in. Yeah, my
twin the twins are the six they just turned sixteen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
That was about to say, they really, I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That's all today about six two sixty three girl friends
condoms like they just turned sixteen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Which one of the most like pop.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
They both have different sizes of me. One's the loving
side of me and one's the crazy side of me.
But they both got sense.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
But they're very close.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
They feel they've been there before Broy one hundred years age.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I met him when they was little.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
The tough kids.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yeah, I had to make them tough to me because,
like we were talking about, like they don't get the
bumps and bruises. So I used to let them fuck
each other up. But as soon as one would hurt
the other one that they was like if one cry,
the other would cry, stop and help.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
It was such a crazy bomb. But like I said,
they didn't get that outdoor experience. So I had to
toughen them up behind the gates.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, I mean you go over there, what's up? You
up step what? This has been going on for a
while now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
So that, but that's why they're so ahead of the
game because he's been raising them like men for so long.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
So yeah, I try to not talk to Braven over
like kids ever.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
I mean, you know, like not the baby talk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, childhood crush will take you back. Oh yeah, you
got a childhood crush.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Easy for me. And I ended up working with him.
I bet y'all. Ain't never had nobody on that can
say they ended up working with him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Ain't nobody I had a child crush with. It turned
out to be shipped ship damn sore. Ain't saying nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
The motherfuckers my childhood crush.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
I had to The first one was was burning that
standards Thelma from Good Time, and then uh, and then
of course when when Janet was Charlotte ironically planning a
character where I wasn't trying to get in get nothing

(01:20:45):
from her because the character was gay, but you know,
and Tyler Perrys for Color.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
That's what it was. I was trying to think, where.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
You know if you need, you can cast me. Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
You've been my crush. It ain't been no secret a
crazy time. Then I see it for the first time.
I'm with my wife. We're wearing a whole nother curntry.
Uh Croatia she walked. I'm like, how you just come
to Croatia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I ain't seen nothing. This is my question. Wait wait
who Regina Hall?

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Oh yeah Regina, And she just walks in we're creating
my time and say you bet not turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I'm like, I'm just seeing it. I just want to
see if Matt was talking to her, because I know
Matt Nor.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
And Matt was he did she didn't go speak to
mass so I got off Regina. She walked, I lost
my jaw dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Hers and yeah, she gonna walk right back like that
in Croatia all plays.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Yeah man, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
The hall past to speak.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
We gonna do a movie called a movie called Also,
We're gonna do a movie.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
I think Jane Kennedy also really like. I like Jane
Kennedy Young. I like that Apolonia, right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Vanity, Apolonia?

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Wasn't nothing? That's our girl from last Dragon?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yes, huh many clown crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Beautiful and a baloney. Both of them was tough.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah, Chris had oh man, didn't he remember lamar Odom
told a story about Prince one time that he did
he went to the house and he did some kind
of performance and and La Mar said he almost his
wrist almost went limp just looking at Prince. I said, oh, ship,
that's too much information.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
But here you way too man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't in those words. But go ahead, yeah,
finish it off. Yeah, I feel you threw me off
question PM right, Yeah, finish them off.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
If you could see.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
One guest on our show, because we know you're a
big support of our show, who would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
But you have to help us get your answer on
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
Done deal, killed deal.

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
I love this ship, no say, because only y'all could
really funk with him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Donald Trump second persons said that I think we should bro.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
We might. I might need because I got a lot
of ship going on. I might need some cases. I
got Mama's on the line like that. I might need, bro. Man,
I ain't y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
It would be very interest conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Yeah, it would be finally a very he wouldn't be
able to really duck and dodge.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
He wouldn't be able to do that. And that's the
come with it I got.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
You know, I love having said that recently, Skip Bayless,
Donald Trump, I gotta have a conversation, have y'all, have
y'all had President Obama. He's on the way, he's coming here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
He's y'all have fun with him. Well, oh, man, basketball Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
We appreciate you, man, not just for your time today,
but just what you've done for the world. It's been
a blessing, man, and we're happy to hear that you're
in a good space and your family's good and you're
going to continue for another twenty years at least. At
least bro, blessing us with your presence. Man, So appreciate
your time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Excited to see Yeah, thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
In that ghost form somewhere else, Yeah, somewhere said I'm
gonna be the hit man in the back, chilling with
my suit on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Yes, fucking balls up.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
Yeah yeah, Gilly, Gilly might be competing with you trying
to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
That's my boy. We can do it together and no
competition for all of us, Bro, Just keep it peat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
We got some T shirts, but we definitely want to
give you our first hard copy. Yeah, first hard cop
was not in this joint. We appreciate you, man, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Second man, of course, yeah, this is what me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Second, the second you'll be in the second book. Second, Bro,
Hopefully we cook another one up y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Bro, y'all cook. And speaking of cooking, I'm proud of you'all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Mari Hardwick. Man, you can catch this and all the
I love you too, bro, this moment, all the Smoke
Productions YouTube and the Draft Cleans network. Man, We'll see
y'all next week.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Mm hmmm

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Mm hmmmm

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