THE ART OF WARD SPECIAL LOOK: Tim Bradley Challenges Jake Paul to two for one Fight, Reveals Crawford Sparring Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Art Awar Today,
my guest is a boxing brother. She's a former colleague
of mine, one of the most outspoken voices in the game.
He's a two division, five time world champion in the
first ballot Hall of Fame. I want to welcome to
the show, Timothy Desert Storm Brask going on, baby, Man,
We at the House of Boxing in San Diego. Man,

(00:21):
you live with a lot of people on a vacation.
We come to San Diego. It's beautiful down here, and
I appreciate you, you know, spending some time with us. Man,
I've been you know, you haven't been working for ESPN
for a little bit of time. We'll get into that.
But man, you've been going to war with your phone. Brother,
you be taking these walks in the neighborhood, and you

(00:42):
be you make these videos and you aggressive. You tim
that is wraw and cut. But you you speak in
your truth. What made you start doing that? You know what?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Not being on ESPN?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, just have.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
An outlet, man, like boxing. I need it, you know
I need it, man, I'm not without it, Drake for real.
You know what kept me out of the ring was
being on air. You know, on ESPN for eight years,
and now that we're no longer on ESPN, it's like
I need to be able to speak and give my opinion.
You know, I've kind of got accustomed to being a

(01:16):
voice in boxing. I feel like my voice is needed
just from a realist standpoint. You know, like a lot
of people, my delivery might not be what everybody like.
But you know, it's funny because when we were on air,
we would say the same thing, but you would say
it's so clean and so polished, and I just come out, hey,
he needed to keep this day job, you know what
I'm saying, that type of joint. So but uh, that

(01:39):
was just it just just just a channel, just an
outlegs for me to be able to speak my mind
and say what I want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So you just you get some insp, you start feeling something,
and then you just turn the camera on and just
go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's me and my phone, that's it, it just right
right here.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Me.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Ain't no ain't no special effects people my channel with
my channel, no special effects, no camera men none of that,
No no women, no director, none of that, just me
straight from my phone. Person.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're not editing the video.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know edit straight out there, shot straight shooting, man,
You know what I mean. So you see the imperfections,
you see you know, you see how I'm really thinking.
You know, everything is on the fly. Whatever comes to
me at that moment. I speak my truth, man, and
what I truly believe.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But yeah, it's working.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I feel like with your approach, people are gonna either
love it or hate it. They gonna love it. So
some people say, man, Tim telling it like it is.
Even people that might not rock with you, they're like, man,
I gotta give it to him. He spoke the truth
with this situation. You know, I haven't seen your name
come up a lot with a lot of comeback talk.
But I just I seen another video. I seen another video,

(02:45):
and I don't know what caused it. I just saw
the aftermath with you again speaking directly to your phone,
telling Jake Paul and his team they can get a
tooth for one. What was that about? Look, man?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Look It all stemmed from his coach Jadu in former boxer.
I saw he did a little rant or something about
me because I was I was kind of unspoken about
the fact that, like chakur Ford and Montana, love was
over there helping Jake Paul and I'm like, that dude
ain't even a lifer. That dude, that dude only been

(03:18):
five years in the game, That dude making more money
than all three of y'all. You know that dude is
dumbing down the sport, like you know, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Like that's what I'm thinking to myself, So just put
it this way.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
So that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
So when he came out, was just like, what's wrong
with you know, black fighters helping white fighters and it
like that's stupid. He says something, and then he brought
my wife in it. He didn't say her name, but
he's just like, what what do you mean cold on cold?
You've been and broke the cold? You were a Mexican.
First of all, my wife ain't Mexican. She's Guatemalan. She's

(03:54):
that's a different, that's completely different. She's Latina.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
But as soon as he said.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
That, bro.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Started, my wife started balling BRO. And then from there
that's when I just went on a tear. I did
you know, you gotta do your research, Dre. You gotta
know what you're up against. And then I'm looking at
his career, I'm watching him fight, and I'm like, I
can beat this bump.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I can beat this dude.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I don't care for he one hundred and seventy five pounds.
I fought bigger gods my entire career, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like, Okay, he three years out of
the game.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm nine years out of game. Oh I get in shape.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But I was like, he ain't got no chin you know,
he in him won the World Championship, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And so I just went on.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
This major rant, bro, and uh, let him know two
for one, the two for one. Yeah, Hey, I'll fight
you and Jake Paul in the same night.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You stay.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
They make their own rules in the game, bro, because
they got the money. They make their own rules. So
all right, I'm I'm gonna fight you, Javonte Davis. You're
I'm one hundred, I'm two hundred pounds. But I want
to get in the ring with you because it's gonna
generate a lot of money in a lot of buzz,
you know what I'm saying. And then he's screaming, aback.
He on the World Championship. He rated in the top ten, Like, bro,

(05:03):
come on, bro, you get out of here with that
fake stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And that's just me.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know what I'm saying. And I know Drake, I know,
like you know, you do your business, you do your job,
and I know how you are, you know, But me,
I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm gonna don't keep it
one honey, man, J Paul is for Gayzy. He's fake.
That's how you feel, truly feel how bust him up.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And his trainer in the same night.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Two for one. That's a call two for one, specially
it right here.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You see, you see me, you see how I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I'm thinking leaning in the last time, I said, I
gotta say that.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
A lot dinner, you know what I mean? And he
got my blood boiling, bro I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't know details, but but but have you gotten
any response from that an if any phone calls, any
any conversation.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I gotta I got a phone call last week from
Jay Leon Love. He was just like, oh you said direct,
oh direct. I don't know how he got my number,
but you know, Fox is a small world, and you can,
you know you can, you can. But anyways, he called
me up. He started woofling, We're going back and forth.
I don't know if he recorded the conversation or not.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You always got to anticipation record, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Just letting you know.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I went off, you know what I mean, And I
went back and forth and a couple of things said.
But he called me up and was like, you only
get you get me, right, And I go, well, I
want you and your.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Trainer, I mean you and your fighter.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And he goes, well, you got to go through me first,
and I'm like, oh, that's easy. I'll go through you,
but you make sure when you do, send a contract,
send the contract having him added on the back end
of that. So I want to see how real and
seriously would you say? Two days ago pass he called.

(06:42):
He calls me again and he goes, you only get me.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I won't.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I want Jakie Jake. I want fake Jake too. I
want you, I want you dirty man. I want you
dirty man, and I want.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Jake Paul too.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, Faki Jake, both of y'all, same night, five rounds of.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah like this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So So with that being said, man, he was just like,
you only get me. I'm like, no, it got to
be a two for one or no deal at all. Bro.
I can smash you. You easy work, and I could
smash him too.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So make it happen.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Do what you need to do.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Make it happen. So haven't you know he called me? Well,
he called me a few days ago. I was out
of town or whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I didn't have time for him.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
And yeah, he trying to man me answer my phone
when I'm calling you that type of stuff. Bro. Come on, bro,
come on, bro. Still ain't got no phone call back.
You know what I mean. Still ain't got to see
the contract, answer my phone call. I even saw him,
he bro, I even said, hey, I even sent you
my email. You think I'm playing. I ain't playing, you
know you? He thought I was bluffing when I said

(07:50):
what I was gonna say today, I'll smack him in
Jake Paul, I'm my bluffing.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm serious as hell.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Bro, he says in the contract. Man, I think we
both speak our mind. I just think that you got
a machine gun and I'm a sniper dog. I don't
like wasting those shots. No for facts, I think with you,
you got a anybody around and getting hit.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I gotta oozy.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think that's just the difference. Yeah, take me back
to you know, in your early years in Palm Springs, Man,
I had never heard of Palm Springs, California until I
started going to Southern California for you know, state championships,
all these different things I had never heard. I kept
hearing about this kid, Tim Bradley, Tim Palm. I don't
know what Palm Springs was. What was early Palm Springs

(08:33):
like for Tim Bradley.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, for me, I lived in the north side of
Palm Springs.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's not like the you know themackling, beautiful, rich side
of Palm Springs.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
It sounds nice, though spring.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh, it does sound nice. But you know wherever that yeah, yeah, exactly,
it's called Gateway and North Palm Springs. Grew up there.
My remember, we got to remember my dad is from Louisiana,
my mom from Mississippi. They met there, you know, and
I was raised in this little, small, little little town, uh,
North Palm Springs, around you know, drugs, gangs, you know,

(09:05):
the usual typical stuff, urban stuff. My dad, you know,
of course, he was hard working man, you know, disciplined us.
My mother as well, stay home mom. You know, she
was a dismalery as well. You know, oh my mom
was trill with that day.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
A lot of moms doing your career here here and there,
but more so pop.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Up with that belt earlier.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, See, that's what's missing in the world. Them butt
whoopers is missing them? Can I curse them? Is what's
missing the world? Oh yeah, Oh, that's what's missing. You know,
people that be talking reckless and stuff. They should get
hit in the mouth. That's missing the world, you know
what I mean. But everybody's quick to just jump to
the gun. But anyways, back to back to the Palm
Springs life. Man, So I was just again, I grew

(09:50):
up in a rough area. Man. It was either I
had to be the bully and fight and fight my
battles or the kids in the neighborhoods gonn bully me.
So you know, I chose to beat a bully. And
I remember early on, I got kicked out of school
in second grade. Man, I think just thinking about that,
think about that second grade you memb, when your kid
was the second grade, what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Kicked out of second grade is kind of crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Kicked out of school. Look, kicked out of school in
second grade.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Man, I fought.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Every day, Like got kicked out from fighting.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah yeah, I got you know what, I actually got
beat up. It wasn't really I got choked out, yeah yeah,
but that's probably worse than get yeah. Well yeah, well
he did. He almost hurted my LIFs out.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Man.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
But I tell you this, man, My what ended up
happening was my dad came and speaks to spoke to
the principal, and my dad was like, this kid was
bigger than my son.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
He was a fifth grader. You know.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I was sitting in his seat on the bus and
when he got there, he wanted his seat all to himself,
and I'm like, man, I ain't getting up, I ain't
moving in the fifth grade. To grabbed me by the
neck and started choking me. Right, So my dad had
a little confrontation with the principal and my dad said,
well how about I choke you out? And then the
principal was like, you and your son toblado, So we

(11:13):
had to go. So we had to go. Then I
got kicked out of fourth grade too for fighting. Just
I went to a school where it was mostly Latinos
and Latinos, you know, wasn't a.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Lot of people like my you know, my color there.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
So you know, a lot of racism, a lot of
you know, racist jokes, allwed to deal with a lot,
you know. So I was constantly defending myself, my sisters
and stuff, and so you know, I got expelled out
of that school, and then I went to school by
my neighborhood, and you know, it was my last straw.
They basically said, if I don't act right, then you know,

(11:51):
they're going to expel me out of the entire district. And
then I would have to go to La County to
go to school the entire Riverside County, so I would
have been except spelled out of the whole district. So
they put me over there with my friends. You know,
I had a little aid that was next to me
all the time, made sure I was being being watched
and stuff. And I discovered boxing sixth grade, right right

(12:14):
in the midst of sixth grade.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
My friend was doing it, and we used to always
slap box and stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And I was always a fighter athletic, and you know,
I begged my dad for about two months, you know,
to take me. My dad was a security guard at
Pons Springs High School at the time. And plus he
worked at the airport and across the street was a
boxing club, so my mom would go pick up my dad.
That was when I used to beg them all the time. Dad,
take me to the gym, Take me to the gym.

(12:42):
And he finally was like, all right, I'll take you
to the gym. You know, he was like, but only
on one condition. If you like it, you can't quit.
I said, okay, bet So when I walked into the gym,
just like this, this gym right here, man, seeing the
bags hanging up his stuff, bro, I was like, man,
what do you do with that? The smell, everything, it
was everything. Pitchers all over the wall, just like this,

(13:02):
but just with champions all over the wall. Was fantastic, man,
And I felt like I was at home.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Your father, he was a second generation football player. He
actually wanted you to be a third generation football player,
but I read until the boxing came in, so he
was kind of like trying to figure that out. Yeah, true.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, So my dad played football in high school. He
wanted me to play football, but once Boxton came along,
Dre and he saw how talented.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That I was.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, you know, then he kept me away from football.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Tackle football.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Really.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, my dad kept me away.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
He allowed me to play flag football, but when it
comes to tackle, he was just like high school came around.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
He's just like why.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Because he said that everybody knows me in our area
and they're gonna target me, and what they're gonna target,
they're gonna try to hurt me. And if they're gonna
target my knees, he was like, you different. They know
you going somewhere, they know you're talented, so you know
they got to hit out on you. Everybody's gonna want
to hurt you. So he was just like, I'm not

(14:05):
gonna allow that to happen. And he was like and
plus you small, I know you strong. He was just like,
where are you gonna go from there? You think you're
gonna go to the NFL go play? Nah, I wasn't.
I wasn't book savvy. I wasn't you know what I mean.
I did what I had to do the past school.
You know, I wasn't the smartest worm out there, you know,
but I was athletic and boxing was my calling.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And the first time I saw you as a kid,
You've always been a man child. You always had the physique,
always had the physique like Tim Grawdley had the muscles.
How did you build that physique? How much of that
was natural? And how much of that was you and
your father building that in the garage and at the gym.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It was my dad early on man making me earn everything.
And he used to make me earn everything with doing calisthetics,
push ups and pull ups, and you know, I wanted
a motorcycle. So it was a friend of mine that
got a motorcycle in a neighborhood. And then another friend
of mine got a motorcycle, you know, and I'm like, man,
I need me and motorcycle. But my dad was like,

(15:03):
and I was five years old, he was like, you're
too weak, You're not strong enough to handle it.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
That the power, you.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Know, he wanted to got wanted a little fifty, a
little singer. And so he was just like, every day,
I need a hundred push ups and a hundred sit
ups every single day, every day every day as soon
as I come home from work, I'm right there. I
got to the point where I could do one hundred.
I'm five years old. I could do one hundred push
ups non stop and a hundred sit ups non stop.

(15:32):
Just flip over, boom, hundred boom, flip back over to
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Push ups easy, like nothing.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Sixth grade, well six years old around I will say December,
around December time, I was just about to turn six,
you know, in August, coming up, that name, that August,
but well still that still was five. But I had
two motorcycles sitting in the living room, you know, I
had an eighty and I had a fifty.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
But I had to earn it.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
So from there then my dad did powerlifting, and you know,
he would always lift weights, and so I used to
always wanted to be with him.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
So I started lifting weights at like eight.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Years old in the garage.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Nah, this is at the high school, Okay, Yeah, So
my dad worked security at the high school. So and
he worked again at the airport on the weekends as
a skycap. So during after school he would stay and
he would lift weights.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
That was his program.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
He would have, you know, other athletes come in.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
He used to train him and stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And so I used to tell my mom, may I
want to go with my dad. I want to be
with him, And he started showing me how to lift
weights at eight years old. So I had to push
ups on deck early on push ups, on deck, early
on pull ups, dips.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Then from there then we yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Gym, you know, learn how to bench press, learn how
to you know, squat, so on and so forth. So
you know, naturally built my body up man to to
what it is today.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Man, you're one of the only guys that I've seen
in a sport of boxing that can have a physique
like that and still have volume punch with volume. Most guys,
you know, like they're gonna be tired third or fourth round.
They're not gonna throw a lot of punches. They're just
gonna look for a big shot, and you would like
the opposite. How were you able to keep that punch
volume going with that kind of muscularity.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, it was just Dre.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's all about cardio man conditioning, stammina. You know, I
like to work in my aerobic system. A lot of
people don't really understand that. So I'm going long periods
of time. So a lot of guys they'll do forty
five minutes of running, Dre, I'll do two hours of running,
you know, two hours. You know, because I'm working my
I need to work these muscles and condition them to

(17:35):
be able to have that longevity late in the fight.
You know, likes you say, having all these muscles, man,
you know, it takes a lot of oxygen to run
these muscles, right.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
But for me swimming.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Long runs, you know, sprint work, inter roadwork. You know,
I made sure my conditioning was up to like tip
top notch because I was always coordin everybody. I wasn't
the most skillful guy out there. I was very taxy
savvy and I could read film, you know what I mean.
I can see guys's weaknesses on.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Film and I knew like what they didn't like.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
So, you know, but my cardio, my condition and my
determination man won me a lot of the fights, bro.
And just again studying film and knowing what I'm up
against and knowing the other fighters weaknesses and knowing their strengths,
and just continue to push, you know, and push forward
in the areas where they were weak. You know, they
might cover it up for a minute, but then I'll

(18:33):
go right back to it because I know it's a
weakness of this.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
How did your mother feel about the box and when
it really started taking off that she was she afraid for?
She was all for. My mom was forward, So you
got one of the tough mothers. Yeah, she ain't like
my baby getting hit on a couple of miles.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
My mom used to come to the gym, man, and
she didn't say nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
She used to sit outside.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Man, I'd be sparring and if I'm getting if I'm
getting hit, she started, I'll start clapping, yeah, like like
you better respond, right. My mom was hard, man, She
wasn't on one of those ones that like she looked.
There was a lot of people in the neighborhood, a
lot of mothers, a lot of fathers that thought, well,

(19:11):
my dad was doing we running at five thirty in
the morning on the street. Car following behind me, you know,
had loud music, headlights and I'm running and I'm four
foot five, you know what I mean. And I should
be in the bed. I should be in the bed sleep.
My mom was like, good, yeah, man, yeah, make a

(19:34):
man out of you, right, that's the only way you
can be to be the best, you gotta work son.
So my mom was always supportive, but at the same time,
she was hard on me, man, sometimes harder than my dad.
Really yeah, sometimes even harder my dad.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Man. Real.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
My mom would tell me straight up, you got your
you got your ass really, Oh yeah, you got what happened?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You got your ass with today?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
You know, my dad would be like, hey man, we
got work to do, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But my mom was harder to do straight up, straight up.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I know your father was known. You know, they come
from the South, Like you said, he's known for being
anytime I've seen him, I don't care. Man, even as
an amateur, just hard knows. Who is your father? Timothy
Ray Bradley? Who is he?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Who is he?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
He's the most disciplined man that I've ever met in
my life.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
He's definitely my hero.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
He's a guy that is loving, a guy that's very
supportive of his kids.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
You know, he's tough.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
He's all about discipline, right, discipline, discipline, discipline. This is
a man that still trains today in his garage and
he trains every single day like clockwork, all the way around.
Still today, you know, again, the most disciplined person. I'm like, man,
you ain't never done no time, dad? Yeah, I mean,
come on every day dad, you know. But my dad

(20:51):
is all about principles, man, principles. He's all about, you know, morals,
having good morals. Since he's not about no foolishness, at all.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I my father turned out because he didn't have his
father's Yeah, my dad didn't have his father man, and
so at all at all. Man, his dad was in
and out. And I'm talking about a big family. I'm
talking about a family of like eleven, you know, and
his father wasn't around. He was in and out. And

(21:23):
his father had another family that he would spend time
with those kids, but they wouldn't spend time with his
own kids.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, unreal.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know, he had a stepfather that he was able
to learn some things from.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
But not the same.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
It's not the same. But I would say this, he
made a vow to himself, like, Hey, when I do
have my kids, or do have my son, I know
how that felt not to have a father show up
to my game, you know. So my dad always made
it a thing. Hey, it don't matter what i'm doing,
I'm dropping whatever i'm doing and I'm gonna be at
that game.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
You know, I'm gonna get off early from work and.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm gonna be at that game supporting my son because
I know how it felt not to have a father there.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
So that's always a blessing when you see a man
who did not have his father, instead of repeating that that,
you know, sort of generational thing, you know, to the
next generation and following those footsteps, going the opposite direction, saying,
now I'm not gonna be like him in that way.
I'm gonna make sure I'm there for mine because you know,
it's a lot of it's a lot of men out
there that they didn't have the example, so they do

(22:26):
what they saw. Yeah they're absentee, they're not there, yep.
And I could see that the impact that that's had
on you because you know, that's one of your crowning moments.
You talk about your kids all the time. You're very
open about your relationship with your kid. And I can't
do this. I got soccer, just all the stuff. So
it's a blessing to see that man. Type of dude
was Tim Bradley in high school?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Man?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Was you beating people up? Was you a bully?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Was I was a little bit more you already do?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I mean, you had a couple of guys that try
to test you whatever, then once you slap them up
a little bit in the locker room, they calmed down.
But nah, I was a known commodity man. Yeah, I
was driven and people do where I was headed. And
I was a serious cat and I wasn't one of
those guys. I was out partying and stuff like that. Man,
there's a lot of you know, kids that feel like

(23:08):
they missing out, you know, early on, and you know,
I was just staying focused, grinding.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
I didn't get crazy until I left the home. When
I left home because I was my dad was so strict.
My parents were so strict, man. Pops wasn't budget ah, Man,
No parties, none of that. No, you can't do that,
none of that.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
It was always boxing twenty four to seven, you know,
and you know I appreciate it now today, you know.
But what comes with that also is is that when
you don't give a little leeway, then.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
When they get out there on their own.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
They might try it. They might try a little this,
try a little that.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Man. You know.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But you know, I know, I know you've been through it.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I read your story and you know senior story as well, Dre.
But yeah, I think I think we've all got our stories,
you know, and things that we've gone through.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Talk a little bit more about that, because I talked
to Roy about that. To Roy, Roy Jones talks about,
you know, just losing basically his relationship with his father,
and his father just he like, man, I'm okay with
you staying on me, but the way you stayed on me,
and he said, you wouldn't on my sisters like that.
You was just on me. And then for Roy turned
from just having a hard nosed father to get in abus.

(24:20):
You know, you don't do right in the gym. You're
getting hit with sticks and getting hit with belts and stuff.
So that's extreme. But talk a little bit more about
the losing the childhood type of thing, because I'm toring
on this right, Like, I look at some of the
stuff I missed out on it, and I'm like, I
probably should have missed out on that. But then to
your point, it's I probably should have had a little
bit more leeway because then I started to rebel at
a certain point, like, man, I'm gone, I'm not I

(24:42):
didn't care. I said I didn't care about boxing. Yeah,
I didn't care about the Olympics because this is all
I do every day. What's the balance? Can you be
a great world champion in the Hall of Famer without
living like that? Is it a balance with a sport
like boxing.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Look, man, I think there's balance that needs to be
balanced to everything. I definitely feel like so even I'll
give you an example, even when I was out there
in the street and I was partying and stuff. When
I you know, went off to college and went up
to Michigan and stuff like that, Man.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Like, boxing still came first.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
So I would prioritize my boxing because that was just
was instilled in me. I had to work, I had
to run, and you know, if I'm out there partying,
I still got to sacrifice, and I still got to
get up, you know, five in the morning and go
run with the team and do what I have to do.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I got to pay the consequences for that.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So you know, but yeah, I think I think balance
is needed, man, And I think each individual is different.
So that might work for me, but it might not
work for you. You know, you might need a little
bit more freedom, you know, or a little bit more
trust sometimes. You know, when you're young, it's just like
we thinking like, yo, you don't trust me, you don't
trust me, you don't trust me, and we parents, we

(25:54):
kind of like become these helicopter parents were you know,
we don't we don't allow them to do certain things, man,
and that's when they start rebelling, you know. But if
you can have an open relationship and communicate, I think,
I think that anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's what's with my kids now.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I'm not like super strict on my kids, you know,
but I'm to a point and to a degree, it's like, hey,
I'm gonna give you a little leeway.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
And they understand the plan.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
So like my daughter's in high school now and I'm like, hey, look,
you get one social media, you know, outlet just pick one.
You know, next year you might get two, you know,
but we're gonna give it. Give you a little bit
of leeway, you know, a little bit at a time,
so you understand how to handle it. But the minute

(26:40):
I start to see your grades starting to drop, then
it's like, hey, you know what I'm saying, it's at you.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
It all boils down to you and what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
The minute I stop seeing you working hard out there
on the soccer field, you know, then we're gonna start
pulling stuff away.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So that's it.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
But I would say balances, balance.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Is always great, man.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
You know, if you want to be great, you're gonna
have to sacrifice a little bit more than an average teenager.
You know, you might be missing feel like you're missing out.
But at the same time, man, you got to think
about your future and where you're gonna end up and
where you want to go because trust me, when you
get to that level, man, it's well worth it, bro

(27:20):
from every aspect.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
And I was crying and whining when I was a
kid it couldn't go certain places. But I ain't crying
now now I got the whole vision. I see what
my dad and my coach was doing. I get it. Yeah,
and I'm thankful man, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Me to.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
But it is a sacrifice though. You give up a
lot man to do this.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, no, absolutely, you give up a lot, but you
know it gives you a lot of return when you
do it right.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Get the King's ransom. Man to do something you've been
doing since you've been a kid.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yes, absolutely, But it's crazy, Drake because like even some
people even find themselves doing everything right and still ain't
good enough.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's true too, you know, maybe did.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Not talented enough, Maybe it's the wrong time, and maybe
that's not what God wanted for them, you know what
I'm saying. So, like, you know, there's not there's not
a one one There's not one thing.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
To fix, all right.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You know, I think everybody's different and everybody's path is different, man,
and you just got.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
To find what work for you.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
How hard my dad was on me, I can't be
hard like that on my kids, right. You gotta know,
you gotta know, you read the room, right, know what
you're dealing with. So I try to come from a
different perspective and how to try to motivate my kids
and keep them thinking. You know, one of the things
that my dad would do was he would always he
would always help me, or he taught me how to

(28:39):
self motivate, you know, how to self motivate myself. So
like when I'm out training and stuff and I'm by myself,
I'm basically it's me against me, it's you and you,
it's me against me. But then when I need a
little extra boost, I'm like, I'm thinking about the other
person across the all, across the big you know, the

(28:59):
big pond, doing the same thing I'm doing right now.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Let that person out work me, you know, No, let
me get a little bit more in, you know, let
me let me go past him. So that's just it, man.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Man. We crossed past a lot in the amateurs, man,
because you know, you southern California. I'm northern, and we
would have to go through that region to get to
the nationals. So any national we wanted to go to,
we had to go to SoCal And Man, you beat
my brother.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Man, I'll beat you too.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We're gonna get to that. That's the next question. But
you beat my brother, Man. I think it was probably
like ninety five or something like that, ninety six something
like that.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
He taked too.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Bro. I was so mad. Bro. I was crying, Bro,
because it was y'all had one of the last fights
of the tournament. It was to determine who goes on
to the nationals. Man, you beat my brother. But but
I got a chance to fight you a year or
two later at the Blue One Goal Tournament in Baldwin Park, California. Man,
you man, just tell the truth and tell me what happened.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Man. You had come on, bro, come on, man, you
had you know you had, you know, you had your
auntie as a judge. Man, you want you one to
to one to one. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but I
was the fight though, it was we rumbling. Oh it was.
I wish we had the tape. Man, I don't even
know I got bro. I'm telling you like I've gone

(30:29):
back probably like I want to say, fifteen years ago,
and I saw the tape, but I don't know where
it is.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
My dad has it. I think he has it.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Man, anybody to unearth that tape, man, please don't have to.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
But I'll just tell you this.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Dre.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Dre was one was one of the most talented fighters. Man.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And I'm not saying this because it is.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
You know how high I'm on you, Bro, He was
one of the most talented fighters that I've ever been
in the ring with, honest to god truth. Like, what
I remember most was was how because I put pressure
on you was list I'm talking about pressure. I'm talking
about eating shots, still swinging. Don't give a damn. Let

(31:09):
me give you a quick backstory on why I fought
you the way I fought you. I lost my trainer
a week require a week prior to that tournament, so
and I watched him take his last breath, so oj
rest in peace, and I was angry.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
And so when I.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Went in there and I fought, and I fought you.
You know I came in with all that conviction and
all that pain.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now that makes sense because you did fight angry.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And yeah, yeah angry, and you know by boxing one
on one, you're not supposed to fight angry football. Football
is an emotional sport. You can you can be angry
out there boxing. The more angrier you get, the more
exposed you are. You know, there was moments where I
do remember a bunch of yours that you had still today.
That dan left hook, that check left hook was me. Yeah,

(32:00):
especially in that fight. But other than that, I felt
like I'll work you, Dre. I felt like I work
it out. Yeah, but you know, hey, I'll let you
have that. I'll let you have that.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm aroun with it. I'll let you have that. But
I'm gonna tell you this ie some flowers too. Man.
That's probably one of the hardest fights I've ever been
in in my life, and I've been at every level.
It's just a relentlessness, like you just you just kept
coming forward and it's like I'm hitting you with shots
and you just it's just the intensity, Like you can
feel a fighter's intensity and no words have to be spoken,

(32:32):
but you can feel like Man, this dude ain't slowing down.
This dude's is not letting up. That was one of
the hardest fights I've ever been in.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I had to really work, man to get that. And
it's one of them fights that you know, everybody comes
to the around the ring because they know, like when
we coming up, you know, everybody knows who's who. You
got good fighters, and you got them ones, and we
both with one of them ones, and everybody was looking
forward to that, man, So you know it's I always
remember that. Bro. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, take take

(32:59):
me back to that. I don't remember y'all. Yo, you
turned pro in two thousand and four. I don't remember
your Olympic Trials Olympic box office run. Did you try
to go.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
To the Olympics? Tried? I tried.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I lost in the Western Trials.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
The Western Trials.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, I got robbed, man. I got robbed in Jersey. Man, Oh, dude,
robbed in Jersey.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I almost I almost hung up the gloves bro. In Jersey.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It was a I want to say it was the
I don't know what in the US Championships it was,
the was a qualifying tournament. I think it was the
Power it might have been a Power Nationals qualifying tournament,
and I was getting ready to go in the semi
finals for one of these guys I forget his name before.
I think he was in the Army. He's from the army,
and getting the last round. We even this was when

(33:44):
the point system was there. We even going in the
last round. So that same relentless that I brought to you,
I brought to this man and I bagged him up,
had him against the roast the whole time.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
The bell rang.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Miraculously, the computer stopped working, so they had to go paper,
and then they went paper, and then they jobbed me
on the paper.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I believe Rondell Mason ended up winning that tournament. And
I beat Rondell Mason already beat him twice, so I
would have seen him in the finals. Yeah, and I
would have smacked him again. But yeah, So after that,
you know, I was disappointed.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I was upset. My mother wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I called my mother up and was talking to her
and I was just like, man, I'm done with this,
you know, like every time I get to the top,
they want to cheat me.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You remember what.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know if you were there, but I fought
against Wyan McPherson up in Vegas that Caesars. I heard
him there.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I smacked I smacked him, Oh oh yeah, destroyed.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Them, dropped them several times during the fight. I beat
his ass. Yeah, period, and they gave it to him again.
Something happened to the computer now they got go to
paper scoring and they.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Took the fight from me.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
So I've had multiple times where you know, that would
happen to me. I just felt like I couldn't carry over,
like I couldn't get a break. So I was like, man,
I'm done with this man. You know, I'm in the
walking out and I'm in the lobby waiting on everybody
to come down. And a lady at the front desk

(35:24):
she saw on me over there. I was pouting and stuff, man, upset,
and she was just like, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's old black lady.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I was like, man, I lost, and she was just like, okay,
all right, she was. I was like, I'm done with
this man. I ain't gonna fight no more. I'm done.
And she was just like, what do you mean you done?
And I was like I'm done. I don't want to
do this anymore. You know, every time I every time I,
you know, do my absolute best, they always find a

(35:54):
way to take it from me. And she was just like,
she's just baby. She was like, that's life, that's life.
And she was like, but you got to understand that
if you quit right now, you will never get what
God has in store for you. She was like, you
going through this for a reason, and you got to

(36:15):
understand that He's building you for something greater. And I
looked at her and I was just like, okay, okay,
and I believed her because my mom was full of
my mom full of faith, still church going.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I was raised up in the church too, man, you know.
But it hit me, you know, it hit me a
certain way.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
And so I went to the Western Trials and that's
when I met Vonaz for the first time. Vanaz, the
one that actually went to the Olympics, beat there everybody
out right.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Nobody knew him at that time. Came out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
He was he was a jo yeah fifty two, so
he came out of the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Nobody had no film on him, nobody.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I had no who this kid was, but I knew
he was quick, he was very athletic, and he hit
hard right. I get in the ring with him and
he had some hyke on him and he knew how
to use it, and he beat me in the Western finals. Man,
and that was it. That was my Olympic run. It
was crushed right there.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Man.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I took a few months off and was thinking about.
I was thinking about. I was like, should I go pro?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Should or not? I wasn't sure, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
And I got my little break because nobody, you know,
when you if you don't make it to the Olympics. Man,
ain't nobody really looking at you, bro, you know, and
it's not really like it's not like they give you
a role map to get a promoter to look at
you or a manager manager, you know. So I was
sitting out there, a talented fighter and nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I had no vision.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
But one night I was out party it at a
hotel myself, and that's.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Why I met tops at boxing.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
As I was walking out, I saw the shirts and
I was like boxing y'all boxing promoters and he was
like yeah, And I was like.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, I'm a fighter. I was a fighter. Timber Sabod
named say over Timmy. He's like, no, I never heard
of you. Anyways.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I go okay, and he goes, you're not a fighter,
and I go, yes, I am. And so we had
a few words and he was like, hit my hands.
Older gentleman, kind of heavy set, big belly.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
He was like, hit my hands.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
So I was like, you sure, so you know, I'll
get to my stands.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And he smacks me in the face.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
And I'm like, bro, you told me to hit your hands.
He was like, see, you're not ready. You're not a fighter.
And he smacks me again in the face and I'm like,
so did I bomb rush him?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And we basically slapping the hell out of each other,
and my cousin grabbed me or whatever pulled me off
of and we go to the car.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
As we walk into the car, does a guy come toy.
His name is Mike.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Now he comes running out towards me and I'm like,
you want some too, He's like, no, here's here's my car.
My dad Thompson, he's the promoter. He was like, I
love your energy, man, I love that fierceness. Give us
a call. And so with that little card, I gave
it to my father man. And then when I decided

(39:27):
to turn pro, found a pro coach with Joel Diaz
and then from there we call Thompson Boxing and that's
how Thompson Boxing was.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
It Thompson Boxing and Top Rank. Initially was it a
co promotion.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Or just Thompson It was just Thompson Boxing in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Bro And then as.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
As my contract, I fulfilled my contract after two and
a half years. Then it went with Gary Shaw. It
collabed with Gary Shaw, Thompson and Gary. It was Thompson
and Gary.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
When did the top rank come in the picture? And
why top rank?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So top rank came into the picture when I fulfilled
my abligations with Gary Shaw and Thompson Boxing, and I wanted,
you know, more money.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
At that time, I had on.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I think the most money that I had made with
Gary Shaw. And I was already a unified world champion.
I had unified the champions against unified the championship against
Kendall Halt was three.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Hundred and fifty thousand. That was it.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I mean, I was a unified champion. I had multiple
title defenses. I unified the championship my second my second
title defense, and so and I you know, I was ranked,
you know, I was ranked, and I was getting closer
to the pound for pound list already and what ended
up happening was I went to a Top Rank show

(40:47):
and I was able to speak with them, you know,
and at that time, no, they didn't know me at
that time, but the only way I was able to get.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
To them was was Stuugh Cameron Duncan.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
So on the way up, Dre, then me give you
a little backstory. On the way up, I didn't have
a I didn't have a manager. I was believing everything
that the promoter was telling me.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I was naive. I didn't know the business, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
And you being a fighter now in what you know,
you know, that's exactly what the promoter wants. They want
you to not know the business and not know the
numbers and know not know your your value.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So sir, when I didn't.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Have that and the no disrespecting, no shape to anybody,
I'm just saying, it's speaking the truth, right. I'm like,
when I got smart and I got with my wife,
you know, she was like, hey, we need a manager.
As soon as we got Cameron Duncan, that's when he
opened the doors for Top Rank. And I was riding
around the town where being a mere khan was supposed

(41:46):
to fight. And this is why I didn't duck amer Khan.
I didn't duck Amir Khan. And hey, mir Khan, you
can get this work too. You can be part of
the two for one at three for one.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Put a mere con in there.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Still I don't want a mirror.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I want you a mirror.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
No, you want smoke of everything walking, man, bro, these
hands still worked, right.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I left the game at thirty three, Bro, I still
had fights still on my contract.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
I left the game because I was like, all right,
I'm good. But you know that's how that's how I
got with top right, man.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, tell me.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
About your wife, man, because y'all got married. Y'all were
friends in high school, right, not really friends, you know
each other.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, I just I used to just see her and
got in twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, but she been right there with all the boxing
business and as well as the business as y'all got now.
But you know she giving them promoters the blues. Man,
tell me about her impact on your life, just as
being your wife, but then also your business partner.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
She was exactly what I needed. I'm telling you right now.
If I didn't have my wife, I wouldn't be where
I'm at today.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Man.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Really, that's facts. That's facts.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
So when I was young, when I was younger, twenty three.
I met him when I was twenty three years old.
I was everywhere, bro, you know I was I knew
I wanted to do, but I didn't know how to
get there. I was fighting, I was still partying. I
still wanted to feel like a normal like a normal person,
so I was out partying and stuff. Well, my wife

(43:16):
came with stability, bro. She came with stability, and she
was a She wasn't a girl. She was a woman.
You know what I'm saying. It was different. So I
was in a long relationship with a girl for like
seven years. But she wanted to party life and she
wanted to be hanging out. And you know, and I
you know your company you keep, you tend to do

(43:38):
what they do, right. So I'm like, fella, I'll beget
I got to be out there wild'ing out, having a
good time, drinking and doing what you know, normal people
do at my age. So when I met my wife,
she wasn't about none of that. You know. She had
two kids already. One Lasier was two and a half,
a Robert when he was six. He was six years old.
That's when I met him. And you know, she already

(44:03):
had her heart broken once. You know, she was married,
got a divorce, and I had to make a choice,
you know. And during that choice, I called my mom
up and I was just like, man, this is a
good woman, you know. But she you know, she come
with the two kids, and you know, and my mom
was like, look, if you love her, you care about her,
you got to make that decision, you know. But just

(44:25):
know that she come with three hearts, not one. And
as long as you love those kids like they yours,
it'll work out. And that's what I did. And but
as far as my wife being impactful, man, I just
think from a discipline standpoint, somebody, you.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Got to have people to balance you.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You see how crazy I am, just the way I fight,
that's my personality, right, I can get a little reckless,
a little crazy, you know, speak my mind. But she's
more calm, and she structure and she's she has everything
everything on lock man, you know what I mean. So

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she take care of the household.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
She became my manager.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
And the only way she was able to become my manager,
especially in the game that's full of just men, a
men's world was she had to speak the same language,
and she had to show that I understand business, period
because most most of the time, you get a lot
of women or even other managers that come in and

(45:33):
never don't really know their position, and they come in
and they asking for too much or asking for too little,
and they don't understand the business side. But my wife
understands business is common sense. And she got her eyes.
She can see, she can see what's going on, and
so she would listen to conversations. She worked around Cameron

(45:54):
Duncan at the time, and I told her. I told
her during that time when I was with Cameron Duncan,
I said, hey, learn everything, and you can learn from him,
like everything. I want you part of the negotiations and everything.
I want you to consulting with him back and forth,
so you can learn because you're gonna be my manager
one day. And that's what she did. I was a
camera for about I'm gonna say four my five years,

(46:14):
and she learned everything she needed to know. She was
part of the conversations and stuff, and most of the
time she was telling Cameron what to save to the
promoter so I'm like, okay, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Whatever it is you're paying, that's that's in house.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
So like the Marquez fight, my wife plotted that pack
Out fight.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
My wife plotted that.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
The rematch, My wife ploted that, Like I would have
ever got Marquez if it wasn't for my wife. They
wanted to shoot pack Out at me. But the way
she think in understanding like the Latin Blood, she said,
pack Marque is gonna retire.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
He already he.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Got you know, he destroyed Pakau.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
That's what he needed. So he finish sell.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Off right off, right off of the fight with pack Out.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Right off the fight with pack Out, and I fought
him right after the fight with the Roustopavaniko. So it
was it was one of those things where it was
like it looked good to him because he's saying, oh
he damaged. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
It took you about four years man to get to
that first world title against Junior Winder Nottingham, England. When
was that like having to go across the pond and
deal with that kind of crowd for your first world
title fight? It was easy? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, that was easy.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
What was the money like, though not not a number,
but I'm saying what did they just give you anything?
Was your mindset like let me just take whatever and
then the next go around or where you like. Now,
I gotta make sure this money right if I'm gonna
go to the UK.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Brouh, I signed a contract with forty five thousand dollars. Bro.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I left for twenty six k.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Hold on, bro On, that's your training expenses. No, nah, bro,
come on stop playing.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I left for twenty six dollars of dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Dra.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
The fight was forty forty five thousand dollars to.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Fight ju the world championship. Yes, overseas.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I got two promoters double dipping. Wow, two promoters, bro Yes,
forty five left for twenty.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Six cast forty five to get ready for a championship.
That's a training expense.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, so man way.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The reason why I say it was easy.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Was because when I was an amateur, I was able,
I traveled and I already had been to England. I
did a black tie event there. I've been to Paris,
you know, I've been the various parts of the world,
competing against you know, different countries. So going and having

(48:50):
a black tie fair where they smoking in the arena,
they drinking table full of liquor, they drinking, bro and
being in hostile being there, bro, Like I knew what
it was gonna be like.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It wasn't new to me.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
And so that's the reason why it wasn't nothing for me,
because I've already had experienced that in the amateurs.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
But was that forty five like the first offer? I'm
tripping on the dre.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
At the time when I fought for the World Bro,
I wish I could tell you the entire story, man,
and how there's little there's little, there's little things that
happened throughout my career.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I had to.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I had two managers at the time, but there it
was one was uh Cameron, No, Cameron didn't come to
later in my career. See, that's why I got to
sit down and tell you the entire story of the
you know, my entire career and I came up and
how involved. But before I fought for the World championship,

(49:56):
my first World Championship, I had a guy named Kamaro
Mercer out he was out of the East East Coast,
and I had a basically a sports writer as a manager.
As a manager. Okay, yeah, but I'm gonna tell you
why I signed with them.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I'm gonna tell you why I signed with them.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Are they the ones that negotiated this junior with Yes? Yes,
they both still living. Yes, I'd like to have a
conversation if we ever crossed paths. I just want to
ask you, like, how did that happen? Look?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Man forty five?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
It was.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Look Look, look, look luk. Look.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
The reason why I got with these managers, bro, was
because there was a point in time in the period
where I didn't fight for an entire year and I
had got to suffer the broken rib and I was
waiting on my opportunity. So I had a title eliminator
that I was supposed to be fighting against with what's

(51:00):
the guy what's his name?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Damn, what is his name? What's the guy?

Speaker 3 (51:06):
He saw with Castile Jose Luis Castill, That's him. So
I went to Mexico, can Coon to fight him. He
didn't make weight, had a full training camp, spent all
of my little dough that I had, and didn't get
a check at all, had no money, dra didn't get paid,

(51:28):
none of that. So I had to wait a while,
like I was hoping for that money. I was praying
for that money, so it didn't matter what the money was.
I was always told that once I get that world championship,
that's when my life gonna change. So if that was
the money, I wasn't even thinking like that, bro, that

(51:49):
was the money period period. And that's why, like I
look at fighters today and I say to myself, I'd go, bruh,
why you can fly? You gotta take the opportunity. That's
why I think the way I think. Take the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
You win that.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Now you move on, you know, to big and better. So, man,
I need my chicken. Listen, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It's too dangerous, bro, it's too much going on.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
But you know that now, Dre.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
But I knew that then, even though it's always stuff
you could do better, other tactics and maneuvers you could
have did better. But I always knew, like, I need
my chicken. Now, you do learn all the different pots.
You start learning what a license fee is, like, oh,
you just offered me this, but the actual number was this.

(52:39):
You learn all of that. Yes, But my team, man,
I had a great team man, you know, James Prince
and then Josh Duben came in later. But I was
always like I needed my chicken, man, Because one thing
that I knew was even as a young kid, I
studied the game, and I will always one of the
tactics is they always promise you about what's next, and
if you do this, we're gonna do this for you.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I heard that a million times.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
So my thing was I learned to like understand the
whole pot. How much money is in here, don't tell
me about what you're giving me. How much money is
in here. And I'm trying to make as much as
I could make. But forty five is crazy, man. But
you did that. Then you went on a cold run
after you got that championship Edner, Cherry Kendall, hol Nate Campbell,
Lamont Peterson, and you unified another belt in super lightweight division.

(53:27):
But getting ready for your twenty eleven fight with Devin Alexander,
you are beating up and dropping sparing partners. You call
your manager, Cameron Duncan you say, I need some other guys, man,
get some guys in here? In steps Terrence Crawford, Yeah,
tell me about that, oh.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Man, right off the Hey, look Terrence lands Palm Springs?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Could you ever heard? In law?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Never heard of them?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Brother in law goes down and picks him up, straight
to the gym. No, oh, we gotta go with your
hotel wherever you standing at, none of that. Straight to
the gym because I'm like, I'm gonna test this work.
If this work ain't good enough, we got a red

(54:19):
eye for him, go back home, right, So straight to
the gym.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I walk in.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I see him off in the corner, platt in his head,
shadow boxing slow, and.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I'm like, okay, I'm like, who is this dude?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Then?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
That's his name or whatever business? None of that just
was like, hey, what's up?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
That was it?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So getting the ring with him? My team is right here.
This dude is by himself. Terrence is in the corner
by himself. Ain't nobody nobody. He came to my corner
to get water after we spoil, right after every single round.
But anyways, so first round goes, you know, you want
to fill out to see what he knows, you know,

(55:02):
And I'm I'm like, all right, let me see what
he knows.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I make a move, Boom, I get hit.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I'm like, damn, okay, let me get a little bit
serious with this man, a little bit more serious. Let
me turn it up. Let me see if he lay down.
So I turned it up, bing bing ban. He's like
b bing bing bing bing bing right back, and I'm like, oh, okay, okay,
he got something right, but then I will raise it

(55:27):
another level and then it's an all out fight.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
But he right there hanging with me.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Every time he's right there, he's like mm hmmm mm
hmmm mm hmm, and I'm like, damn, I was supposed
to go six rounds that day.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I only went four.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Who was stopted? Shit? The coach, your whack, that's enough?
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Look, you know, if you if a fighter, if your fighter,
your champions is getting beat up on insparm, you know,
that does something to his confidence. So you want to
you want to have that, but you want to also
limit it at the same time.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
You got to find that balance.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
So I sat at the edge of the ring something
like this, said right there, and I'm looking at him,
you know, and he's kind of looking at himself in
the mirror, and I'm like, man, I'm like, who are
you man? And he's like what I said, who are you? Goes,
I'm Terrence Crawford, And I go where are you from? Broh?
He goes, Omaha, Nebraska, And I'm thinking to myself, what

(56:24):
the hell is it Omah? I don't think about what's
in Omaha? Right, yeah? And so and I look at him.
I go bruh. I was like, you ain't no spawn partner.
He go, whatever, what I go? You're a world champion man,

(56:45):
straight up? And I was like why. I was like,
why you're not fighting White? And he was just like,
I don't know why. So when I got in the car,
I immediately called Cameron Duncan. I was like, hey, Cameron.
I was like, Yo, what you doing with Crawford. He
was like, don't tell me. You're sending him wrong too.
I was like, I was like, I'm keeping him. And
I was like, but I was like, do you want him?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Can I buy him out this contract? And he goes,
what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I was like, he whooped my asks and he said, oh,
I love Terence Crawford.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I love Crawford. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (57:17):
And that's when our relationship, me and Crawford's relationship started
to build because I recognized that he just needed a
little direction and that was it.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Did he stay for the full camp?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Oh? Yeah, he stayed, and so I sparred him on Monday.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
And so then I'm going over to film and studying
him and looking at his mistakes he made on Monday.
But then Wednesday come and he's a completely.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Different fighter here, just again.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
But nobody was in his corner, so.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
He doing that by himself.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
It was like, this dude had a photographic memory, bro,
and so that's what I was, just like, this dude
is different, man, That's what I knew. Different.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I'm gonna skip a fight after that. Devin Alexander fight
to twenty twelve with Manipacaw. When did you first start
getting rumblings that, oh, pack is an option for us.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
As soon as I met with top rank through Cameron Duncan,
and I avoided that fight with American just basically solely
on getting the Manu pacout fight, which was opportunity five
million dollars. Then come on, dog, do the math. One
point two million, five million dollars, MANI Pacou.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
And what had nothing to do with not, you know,
fearing some American. It was more so business right, And
this is the number one, number two wherever you have
a fighter in the world. This is what every fighter
dreams of, but fighting the best. So I knew right
out the gate soon as I got with Cameron Duncan,
because I knew his affiliation with top rank, that it

(58:55):
was a possibility that I was gonna be have an
opportunity to fight.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Manny Pacou was the number of negotiaboard. They said, look,
take it the lead.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
That's what it is. Taken the leading, Manny. But that's
a help. I mean, five million dollars is life changing money, especially.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
At that time too.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, And the crazy part and the cold part is
that when I did meet Manny and we were off
like kind of like by ourselves a little bit after
you know, you have all these interviews and stuff like that,
and he's sitting there waiting and stuff and nobody's really
around him. One of the things that Manny said that
I appreciate many four was that he said, was that
good enough? And I'll go the money what and he

(59:34):
goes the five million? Was that good enough for you
and your family? And I was just like, I was like, yeah,
that's that's great. I was like, thank you, thank you
for the opportunity. So but yeah, I knew it right
off the gate.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Bro talk me through that fight. Man I was at
the fight. Yep, I probably was on four or five
rows back, maybe a little bit more. And when I
saw the fight that night, it looked like Manny won
by a landslide. So I'm coming out the arena. They

(01:00:10):
threw a camera in my face. Man, what you think?
And I make a comment. I say, man, till my boy. Man,
but man, he lost that fight tonight and tend me
to get that belt back. I go home and I
watched the fight again on Sunday, no volume. I turned
the volume all the way down and I watched the
whole fight, and I'm like, this fight was way closer

(01:00:33):
than I thought. And I had to call you. I
called you. I think that Sunday, I said, hey, bro,
I apologized. I spoke too soon. I shouldn't have said that.
I should have went home and watched that fight. Man,
you said, man, it's all good. What do you remember
about that fight? Like the actual fight? Did you think
it was close? You were up big? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
What was your takeaway? I thought the fight was close.
I wasn't sure if they was gonna give it to me.
Based upon Manny pack out in his status. Usually when
you see a robbery is usually in favor of the
house fighter. It's not in favor of you know, the
B side of things. So let me just say that
right out the gate. But I thought the fight was

(01:01:13):
very close. I was dealing with a lot during that fight.
You know, I didn't wear this, I didn't wear any socks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I'm a fan of Manny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I'm a fan of Mike Tyson bro and I had
tragic and sparring and stuff like that, and it worked
out well. But when I got in the ring and
it had that spongy ring, you know, different there's different flooring, right,
different rings. You know, it was real spongy. So I
didn't really have a whole lot of support, you know
that night, brother, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
All that man coming with. Yeah, so you had a
lot of movement.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
So I had a lot of movement I had to
deal with, and you know, I didn't have a whole
lot of stability in my shoe, you know, So it
was a lot of give. So rolled my ankle, tore
some ligaments on the bottom of my foot after the
second round, because Manny, when you're fighting Manny, you gotta
try to anticipate when he's gonna explode in You gotta
try to time that and he breaks it up with

(01:02:08):
his head movement, you know, and that you know, yeah,
that little balance, and then he's constantly fainting you, constantly
faking you, constantly faking you, and you're trying to anticipate,
so he keeps you idle like this the whole time,
trying to you know, and your feet or gripped to
the ground like this case, you gotta get out of
the range, you know what I mean, or get to
the side, so you know, just the quick movements and reactions. Man,

(01:02:29):
Like every time I would fight Manny, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Blow a tire. Bro my legs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Second time I fought Manny, calf tored my calf.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, Bro, if I show you my calf, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Still disfigured. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yeah, Look how little that thing is. Bro. It's little.
It's all balled up. So like I'm just saying like
it was always difficult. But the first time around, like
after the first round, and I felt like I belonged.
Like he was fast, but I was like, I'm just
as quick. He was strong, but I was like I'm
just as strong. Like it wasn't nothing that I ain't

(01:03:09):
never It felt like I was nothing I ain't never
seen before. When he did throw combinations. Bro them joints.
They would whiz past my face like bullets on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I love bro like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You know what I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
You see Chinese movies like you know, Karate movies and
stuff like that. Man when they're throwing punches, and that's
literally hurt like bullets like it was whizzing past my
ears like. So he was fast, he was strong with
the punch felt like like like a shock, like a shot,
like a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
He caught me in the fourth round with a big
shot that that buzzed me and I stepped back and
you know, I got my wits back or whatever. But
you know, man, he can punch and he has speed
and power, and you know that combination is very hard
to come by, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
And then that's a nasty on top of that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
But I felt like the second half of the fight
is where I started to come on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
I just kept moving left and I was boxing them.
I was making them miss and I was making them pay.
But the game plan was basically dre to matches, tempo,
matches output. Whenever he does something, I gotta do something.
So whether you think I want or not, what people
don't realize is it was the optics because every time he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Would do something, I wouldn't do something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I would do something, So I would just try to
balance that, you know, and the judges, a lot of them,
or the ring side of I would say commentary was thinking.
Because you can go back and watch the fight, big
left hand lands by.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Many pack out. No it didn't know it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Because you're sitting there trying to watch somebody blazing fast
try to land a shot and it looks like it landed,
but it didn't land It came right here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
That's the mis exception. Being in the crowd, yeah, because
you like you was legit, like getting out the way
to make.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Sure you yeah, shoot shoot, shoot, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
But the crowd is going crazy, so you think six punches,
seven punches get thrown. You think he probably landed three, four,
You might have landed one. Yeah, but you gotta go
home and watch it with no sound so you're not
influenced to really see what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
But the judges are seeing that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
You know, when you have real judges and now understand that,
Like Dwayne Ford was one of the guys that like
literally trained all the judges.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Like he's a top notch judge.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
And he gave me and he the one that gave
me the fight, right, one of the ones that gave
me the fight. You also got to understand that if
you go back and you watch that fight, you go
you got to see how many how often did many
do any work because a lot of times he didn't
start reving up. He was trying to do the Sugar
Ray Leonard effect when he fought against towards the end,

(01:05:55):
he didn't rev it up until the last thirty seconds.
And I'm fighting you know, the other two and a
half minutes even three minutes of every single round. So
you got to put that into an account as well.
So you know the judges they saw what they saw.
I thought it was a very close fight. I don't
understand you got audio in the corner. Me being on TV,
I know you got audio in the corner. You can

(01:06:18):
hear exactly what the trainers are saying, whyle come. I
never got the audio of Joelle die Is saying, go
in there, Jackson, pick him up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
We just won this f and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Fight where that audio at? So that way it lets
everybody know that we thought we won the fight, period.
But you know that audio ain't gonna gonnape. It ain't gonnappear.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I think for me, man, what have showed me was
that you belong at that level. Because you see a
guy that goes and faces and fights at a high
the top level, like another champion or face, a legend
like that, and they don't perform, They don't like they're
half of their normal sales or not. They just the
lights are right, the moment is too bright, and I

(01:07:03):
saw you still be yourself and actually raise your game
regardless when people think about decision, like when you're missing,
missing missing or trying to make a missing and you're
trying to get yours too. That lets you know he
died in. Yeah, he died in like he's really trying
to win. He's not just here for a check. Man.
You get willed into the post fight press conference because
of what happened to your feet. But then it's crazy

(01:07:26):
backlash after the fight. You know, it's the type of
backlash where he says you got death threats, bro, you
all kind of crazy stuff happened. What was the post
mini pack, y'all one experience for you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Death threats, crank calls when you're out in the vallet,
you're here the whispers, you hear the chatter, you see
people laughing, you know, so you have to deal with,
you know, being aumiliated. You know, my kids, that's what
really hurted me in school, man, that's what really like
crushed me. You know, my kids at school getting somewhat bullied.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
In a way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
You know they talking about Yeah, they talking about your father, right,
So they had to deal with that as well. But
it got it got to a point where was it
felt unbearable.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I felt like it was me and my family against
the entire world.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Bro. You know, everybody chimed in on it. It wasn't
just you know, one or two people. It was the
entire world, bro. And you can you gotta imagine having
the entire world looking at you and think of you
the laughing stock of boxing, bro. And all I did
was going there and do my job. You know how
depressing that is, man. You know, you thinking that you

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win a fight, you're gonna be glorified and uplifted, your
biggest moment, biggest moment. Man, I did my job, Bro,
and it gets taken all away, and it's supposed to
feel sweet, but it feels bitter as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
And I felt like honest to God.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
It was a mooment man where I felt like like,
I don't even want to be here, man Like, what's
the point of even doing this anymore? I don't even
want to be I don't even want to live no more?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Man Like, what's the point? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
And some people can look at that as like being soft. However,
I didn't take my life right. I stayed strong. I
stayed resolute, and you know, I felt like, you know
those moments, man, God to speak to you, but you
got to hear him, bro. And at that moment. It
happened when I was on vacation. I was in Hawaii

(01:09:27):
and I was driving and I cut this car off
and he hunked the horn and I pulled back in
the lane and I'm driving and I'm rolling down the
window fin to get ready to lay cause I got
a lot of anger pented up in me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
He about to fill my raft, don't hunk your horn
at me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
So I'll reach out, go like this, roll down my
window and I'm going like this and he comes driving by,
cheesing going and he put up the shaka sign, you
know sign, and I'm like, so, I'm like, damn, I
look at my mirror, and then my kids in the
back are like, you know, they waiting on to be reacting.

(01:10:06):
I'm like, my wife is looking at me like what
the hit?

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
And I'm just like, okay, all right, I understand what
it is. So I felt like the whole world was
against me. I felt like there was no good and
there was still no good. There was no good people
in the world, Drake. But this showed me that there
are some still good, good people in the world, man,
some good, honest people in the world. I was generalizing
the entire world, and it made me hate the world,

(01:10:33):
you know, and made me hate the world that I
lived in. I didn't want to be no more. But
at that point I was like, I'm good. God spoke
to me like, hey man, it's gonna be all right.
Right in that moment, it's a little simple thing, like
I love about that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
And so from that day forward, I told my kids
and my wife, I just say, look, I'm off of
social media, no longer listening to anybody. The only thing
that matters now is do was something I call right here?
What's in my household? That's the only thing that matters.
I don't care about anybody's opinion, I said. Moving forward,
I was like, ain't nobody going to ever affect me

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ever again?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Ever? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
It was like I heard so much that I became
desensitized to any type of negative thing. Like now I like,
I feed for it. I seem for negative attention. I
seem for like you want to say, what say whatever
you want to say, because I know who I am,
I know what I'm about, I know what I bring.
You know, I know my work. So that's that happened.

(01:11:35):
That was a blessing in disguise. Oh it was hard,
but I feel like it's a blessing because now the
position I'm in, now where you're going to get the
rid of cure, you're going to get you know, people
talking about you constantly, you know, especially talking boxing that
I can deal with it, and not only that, I
can deal with it in life, and I can extill

(01:11:57):
that into my kids because you know, these kids, they
still get bullied and you know, racism still exists and
so on and so forth, bro, and they have to
deal with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
My daughter just got done dealing with that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
So I gather strength man from something that was negative
man negative, and you know, was tearing through my life
at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So that pressure man can make you if you if
you respond the right way like you did to it.
And that's what the people online don't understand. I don't
even know if a lot of it, I don't even know.
I how I call a lot of these people fans,
because a real fan of the sports money, really loves
the sport. They're not gonna get on social media and
say nothing crazy to a fighter. That's cool to show
your opinion, man, I think this guy did this and

(01:12:41):
be respectful, but you can't say you're a fan of
a sport. You may be a fan of people fighting,
but you're not really a fan of the people in
the sport being disrespectful. But what they fail to realize
is that we've shown as athletes that we can get
in the ring to do something that a small percentage
of the world can can do it's not and then

(01:13:01):
we also can deal with the other stuff to chatter
while you're trying to do your job. You gotta pay
all your suck, all your this, all you that. They
can't deal with that, But they're good at auditioning it
out though. So that's why athletes, man, are very very unique,
and the ones that can respond well to it, it
just may it makes you grow up. Even as a

(01:13:22):
grown man. You still got to grow up sometimes I realize, Okay,
everybody not gonna love what I do, and sometimes I'm
gonna get my best effort and get no love for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
It's funny you say that grow up because I feel
like at that point, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
When I grew up for real, when I grew up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Man. You know, you gotta be comfortable in your skin.
And there's a lot of people out there that's pretending
man to be something that they're truly not right. They're
trying to be a pleaser. They're trying to, you know,
please this and please this certain groups and stuff like that,
and they not being themselves. But I trust me, man,
when you when you can be yourself man and be
comfortable in your skin. Bro, Bro, you grow so you

(01:13:58):
grow wings. Bro, you grow with literally grow wings, and
you can rise above anything. It don't matter. You can
tell me anything you want to, Bro. You can attack
my character whatever, I don't care. I'm gonna look at
you and I'm gonna go, Okay, that's how you feel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Okay, all right, yeah, let me find out, let me
find something about you, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
You ain't gonna like what I say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
It's safe for people. They in their home, they in
the cubic, or they wherever they're at, there in their car.
It's easy to say that the most salacious, crazy stuff
when you don't have to pay the price for what
you said exactly. And but that's that's the world we
live in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
But that's why I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Don't deal with social media.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
So like when people see responses and stuff like that,
that's I have people dealing with that, you know what
I mean. They might come to me and ask me,
you know, what do you think or whatever. But I
let my family. I let my daughter, my oldest daughter,
read all of that stuff. She can't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
She hates it. My wife she does that stuff. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I stay away from it because I learned that everybody
got an opinion, dre. What makes sure it is more
and more valid than mine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
And so when people when I'm talking boxing, I'm talking
from my experience. You know, it might not be something
that you like. But I'm unk. I'm a unk in
the game. Now, man, you're unk too, believe it or
not you unk, Dre.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah, oh you're kind of I'm still kind of Hey,
you think I'm still nephew you I still feel like nephew.
I still feel like the age category. I checked the
unk box. Yeah, maybe saying that he man, come on, bro,
like you look young and you don't feel like nephew, don't.

(01:15:40):
It's about how you feel, right, I could be fifty,
but of course I might be unk in real life.
But just no, I feel like that. You but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
But I just think that like the young fighters, because
I was. I've been in their shoes to where you know,
you're reacting to certain things or certain headlines or certain
things that somebody said about you. It's the media and
this like that. Like I was like them, you know,
I was just like them. I remember, you know, uh
Dan Rafael saying some stuff about me, but I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Danna said something about everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
But I'm just saying I didn't. I didn't. I didn't outlash.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
I didn't, you know, I just proved them all wrong, right,
there was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
A different story.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
So like that social media, I didn't get on social
media and go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Back and forth. Nah, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Prove you wrong. So the young fighters though, that's the
game you can take. Just prove them wrong, Haini coming
up and Norman coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Who doubt you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Prove them wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
This is your opportunity to get your your last laugh.
Prove them all wrong, and that's it. But if they're
not talking about you, bro, period in any way, you
ain't doing nothing right. You ain't doing nothing right dra.
So when you look at it from a different perspective,
when you getting heat from everywhere, man, and you understand

(01:16:55):
what it's all about, that that little small talk don't
mean nothing, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Just like you said, they over in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
That cubicle, say over in this and they safe and
far away from you, bro, because I know you won't
say that to my face.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
And it ain't real because I didn't. I didn't have
people say stuff throughout the years. And I'm like, man,
you don't really feel like that. Oh my god, you
were responding, Bro, I'm just playing reaction. Yeah, you're not
really serious about this. But it's a scripture man that
in a Bible that really helps me. Jesus said that
woe one to you if all men speak well of you,
In other words, if every nobody got nothing negative to
say about you, like woe one to you. Like if

(01:17:29):
everybody saying everything nice about you, it's gonna be some
compromise there. You might not be standing on truth. You
might not be standing for anything if nobody has nothing
to say about you. There's a lot of time when
you stand for something, you're gonna get some backlash, and
the key and the growth comes with how you respond
to it. Brother, I'm not taking what you just said personal.
You don't even know me. And if I do know you,

(01:17:49):
if I got to have a conversation with you, I
have that. But the truth is is like you could
say the craziest thing about me and my career. Brother,
you're not stopping nothing. I'm still me, I still do
what I did. I'm happy enjoying my life. Y'all out
there watching us. That's how you're critique because you're watching us,
and I'm gonna enjoy the rest of one day. Yeah. Oh,

(01:18:10):
you do the same when you can get to that place.
But the experiences that you went through, the many podcast
stuff I've been through, that helps you evolve as a man,
not just a fighter. Yes, rocket sit back and say, man,
I understand it. How are you getting the Hall of Fame? Brother. Yeah,
moving on with my day. I can't lit. I can't
give you that kind of control over me somebody way

(01:18:32):
on another part of the world or somebody in another city.
You can't decide to do something or say something on
social media it's a writer, blogger, YouTuber and think that
you're gonna make my day bad because you said something
that's far too much control. We learn to not give
people that kind of control. Right, And that block button
code too. I love that block button that's talking crazy

(01:18:54):
and I ain't got time today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yeah, well, some days I have time, some days that don't.
And I choose my battles wisely. Yeah, I just know
and just know that when I do use my battles
that I'm coming with fire, bro right, And I mean
what I say, and that's just what it is. But
I mean other than that, Drey, you know boxing man,

(01:19:20):
You know, you know the sport man, it's a very
fecal sport. You got to get in, you got to
get your money, you got to get out with all
your faculties. Sometimes I think think of, you know, some fighters.
You know what, I'll tell you something that I've kind
of learned since I've been getting back in shape, and
I want to say something to like many Pacao and
stuff because I was a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I would say I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Was hard on him a while back when he was returning.
But now I understand it because I'm starting to get
back in shape. I'm running every day, training, boxing training,
I'm doing my thing. Muscle memory is a real thing.
It is these hands they work, they still fast, these
leg stay still moving. That head movement is still there,

(01:20:03):
that experience is still in me. Right, and you're beginning
to feel good and start feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Like you can do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
You have a lot of experience to go along with that.
But it don't matter. I'm starting to feel like it
don't matter to age. Man. It's the mindset. So if
you can physically do something, it don't matter how old
you are, bro, Like i was thinking Many Pacao forty
six years old, looking at the back end of his

(01:20:34):
career and thinking he can get hurt. This's a young
man's sport. But I'm starting to stay think you know what, man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Can do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I feel it, I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
It's the mindset.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
He still has passion for the sport and love for
the sport.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
There's some guys that probably don't have that passion and
love for the sport like he does, and they just
doing it because they primarily need to be able to eat,
you know. But Manny Packard's a legend man. He's done
it at the highest level for a very long time.
And so you know, even with that age, bro, it
just means that he's a special, special type of fighter,

(01:21:20):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
But he wants to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
And the truth is, you can't get hurt, you know,
you can't get her doing the sport, and that's always
something we gotta deal with, especially as you get older.
But you know, hearing you talk right now, like are
you talking like like you making a comeback or you
just just want to get in shape just in case
somebody I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Want to get in shape.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
I'm getting one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
I want to get in shape because it's just in case.
You know, that's it, just in case.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
What's your wife saying?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
She don't like it? My wife hates it, every second
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
I was up this morning, five thirty in the morning
on the road hitting that roadwork.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Whether you running in five thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Thirty, ain't playing dre.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Brouh when you when you tap in you turn that
switch on, Bro, it's hard to turn it off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
That's the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
When Jay Lean woke you up, did it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
So that's what did it. That's that's that's the origin,
that's what did it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely, that's what turned my switch on, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
And I'm like, I'm gonna show you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I'm gonna show you and I'm willing to do whatever
it takes to make sure that I show you what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
So I think it's a game. I ain't playing, Jay Lean.
I'm not playing with you, Bro, I'm not playing with you.
I will smoke you and Jake Paul same night, Homie,
two for one. I'm not playing. Seriously, Hey, I'm here.
You told me to get in shape. I'm getting in shape.
But I don't I don't think you understand Jay. I

(01:22:59):
don't think you understand what tree you're barking under.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
You're barking up on a real one Hall of Famer
homie straight up. Yeah, And I'm gonna show you, Ballet.
I'm gonna show you, bro, for real. So say what
you want to say, Go and hide in your little
dirty corner, do what you do. But again, tell Jakie Jake.
I hope Jake survives. Joshua this, Joshua, I hope Jake.

(01:23:25):
I hope you survive. You know, I know Joshua ain't
what he was before, but he should be able to
get that done. He should be able to get that
done if he ain't signed that n DA, right, yeah,
you know the NDA. You please don't hurt me, Hey Wade,
I gotta win, man, Bro, if you get in the
ring with a sixty five year old.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Mike Tyson, Bro, you know what they're saying about you, bro?

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
People Bro, people were thinking that Mike Tyson had a
chance that bro, that shows you how shows you how
call Mike is though that Yeah, Mike, Mike did a
great job, and Mike was in his best shape he
could be in at that age.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
I interviewed it. That man looked like a piece of steel.
I gave him a hug. I said, Mike, you stip here, brother, Yeah.
And then when he walked in, he looked like a
little lion or Mike walked in the room. And I
don't intimidate easy, And I ain't saying I was intimidating,
but I'm just saying I understood why guys getting intimidated
by Mike Tyson because he still got that. People believed
in the idea of Mike and the videos he was posting.

(01:24:32):
And you know, but your body only gonna do so
much at that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
It's only gonna do so much of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Yeah, I get it, but that's ridiculous. The dude, this
is the senior citizen. Bro get in the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I ain't know I ever seen a citizen come on, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
All the knowledge on his body.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Bro, I got how did That's what I'm telling you.
That's what I'm saying. You dumbing down the sport. People
were literally thinking that Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Had a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
And I'm like, but whose fault is that?

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Well, it takes to the tangle, but the one that
was able to frame it up, it's Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
How you frame it though? Mike playing this port too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I understand Mike got his money.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Mike got look into that camera and say something to you.
You're probably gonna believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Yeah, I understand, Dre. I understand all the money. I
understand all of that stuff, man, But look, you're still
dumbing down the sport. That was a joke. That was
the curfus, bro, and it's Tank Davis fight Gladys got
postponed or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
It's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
That was a joke fight too, bro, because when I'm
your life in the sport, Bro, you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Did it from the crib.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
No, you did it from the crib all the way
up and worked your way to the top.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
We have a different respect for the game, and we
all got to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
The same script.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Just because you you popular, you can follow. You can
follow on the difference script.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
You gotta earn your stripes just like everybody else. You
didn't earn the fight with Mike Tyson. You didn't earn that.
You shouldn't even been in the ring with him. Bro,
you've only been in the game five years. That's where
I think Drake. I'm torn on him, BRO, Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
I personally don't like like Jake Paul ain't aut that
old world champion stuff like, and it could happen because
you know how these sanctioning bodies play. But I don't
knock him for his whole movement because if you build
something outside of this sport, right, and those people follow

(01:26:39):
you to the sport and they're buying tickets or they're streaming.
If it's so bad, then people shouldn't turn in because
if he can get the numbers that he is getting,
it's hard. It's hard to say. You just got to
understand what it is. It's not it's not you face

(01:27:00):
certain guys, it's not real boxing in this situation with
Anthony Joshua, that's a real fight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Yeah, at least on paper, on paper.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
But I can't knock you for you. I can't knock
your hustle when you've built something outside of boxing and
you say, hey, you know, I'm coming over here to
the sport now, and I'm gonna pick and choose who
I fight. Y'all come come follow me if they follow him, Man,
I just understand what it is. I know what I'm
looking at. You not gonna fool me over here. Save
that stuff for the other people, because I'm not gonna

(01:27:30):
believe that you I'm the face of No, you're not
the face of box I'm not giving you that because
that's for a lifer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
But that's what he believes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
That's cool. I can't knock it for that. People believe
a lot of things for a lot of different reasons.
I'm just saying you can do all the row Ross stuff.
That's your business. But I just know what I'm looking
at right. But on the on the monetary side and
it being an event, the truth is that when he
does fight, it does bring attention around the sport. People debate,

(01:27:58):
they argue, people want to see the is it legit?
Is it him and Mike Tyson. No, it's an event,
That's what it is. Visit an event.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It's not a fight dragon, these type of things fight
for years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Ali did it sugaring Robinson did listen to those names,
Dray I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Look at those listen to those names.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
I feel like we're back at.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
You can call me a call mean, I hate or whatever,
but I'm saying, listen to those names that you just
ran off.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Bro, I'm just a game.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
He did it to those the legends in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
But I cat it homage completely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Yeah, this is a dude that's been foxing five years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Look what I've done in.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Five years, Bro, you ain't done nothing in the sport.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Bro. Just got to know what it is though, I
just understand it, Like you know, Lo, it's a lot
of rock rock. I'm not man, Come on, man, I'm
not trying to hear all that. I'm gonna tell you
what Nazi told me. Nwazien Richardson, man, my guy man. Anyways,
got listen, listen Nazim say, I hear what you're saying,
but I'm too busy watching what you're doing. I don't

(01:28:59):
get call up in Rod just I know what I'm
looking at. Brother. It may fool that crowd, but it's
not fooling this crowd. So I just me personally. I
ain't saying my view is right. I'm just saying the
way I see it. It's kind of I try to
fight for balance, like I see what you're doing. But
then but then, but also respect to hers. So you
got these people to come over here, and by this respect,
I'm not a person that's like now, if you get

(01:29:22):
out of line, start talking about this fighter can't beat
me on the face of box, and then you gonna
hear me say something now because because we really do this,
and we have really done this and as fighters that's
still doing it, and we really took the licks. It
wasn't part time, it was full time. So then you
may hear me speak up. And in terms of your
money and what you're doing. And if him and Mike
can put something together like that, and Mike can get

(01:29:44):
a shot in the arm financially like that for that
kind of fight, knowing what we gotta do for money
in boxing, knowing that the type of punishment you gotta
take even if you win. Man, brother, gone get your money. Brother,
at that age, man, Mike, go and get your money,
Get your money, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Mike should be embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Why he should be embarrassed, Bro, j Paul got his
name on his resume, should be embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Period. Keep it real, money money, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Listen, keep it real, keep it real with me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Try to put yourself in Mike Tyson's shoes. They hit you,
and I don't know the numbers for sure, but I'm
gonna just throw these numbers out. Hey man, it's just
Jake Paul kid. Man. You know he want to fight you.
I ain't fighting that kid. Hey man. It's probably forty
on the type, probably fifty. You gotta getting shaped though.
You got about six months to getting shaped though. And
you bring that old Mike Tyson r back like you know,

(01:30:42):
they'll probably buy it. You telling me you wouldn't take
that fight to get that forty piece.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
No if if, if I know that I can't beat him,
though I wouldn't take it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
He believed it can beat the stop man stop.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
He was in there biting his glove, bro, Like Michael's
in there biting his glove. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
I mean to tell me that, Mike's the same way
you was talking greasy a few minutes ago. No, bro
about I'm ready, Mike. You're gonna feel like that when
you sixty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I promise you you there's one thing right, there's one
thing to think you can do it, but it's another
thing to show up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
I'm trying to find out that, not in a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Hell no, you find that out in this sparing you
if you being honest with yourself, you being you find
out you got people honestly you do around your get trash.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
You can get easy. Now you don't get easy. Sparing
for that. You ain't gonna take that forty piece. No
to lose. Hell you don't think he was gonna lose.
And I'm like, hey, Mike, believe that. Come on, man, listen,
Either Mike sell listen. Either Mike is a good salesman
or I sat there with him. I think he was

(01:31:45):
two weeks out or something like that, saying I said, Mike,
how you gonna do this? Listen, brother, losing is not
an option. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me.
I believed it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
I sure as hell didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
And I believe. Look now, my other boxing brain was like, yeah,
but Mic sixty know, but the other part of me
wanted to believe because it was Mike. But the other
part of me was like, I at least sixty though. Brother, Listen,
I think you're gonna take that forty or fifty piece. No,
got there and dance with Jake Money.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Don't move me like that, bro, Money, don't move me
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
You don't believe. You're gonna be disrespected that he called
your name. Who if you Mike Tyson and he's called
I want to fight Mike. You're gonna feel disrespected that
he would even put it put your name in his mouth, Dre.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
I tell you all the time, man, talk to me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Look, I might be reckless, but at the same time,
I'm calculated.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Bro, you're gonna take that fifty piece forty piece.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
I'm calculated. I'm not finna go out there and embarrass
my sport. Having all these people betting money on me
to win a fight and go out there and do
what I did. I can't do it, not for money, Bro,
Not for money. Money don't mean that much to me. Man,
My dignity, what I have internal, Bro, that means more
to me. Bro, being a man, being a fighter, being

(01:32:58):
a being a warrior.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
And if I if I want to go in there
and put that type of performance on it, I can't get
it done against that guy right there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Bro, I'm not putting food. I don't care how much
money it is. I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Figured it out. It was too late to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
It already started. Well, I get it. I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
What you saying. You thought your fight with junior winner.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Forty five thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
For a championship fight for forty five thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
That's why I told you, ain't gonna take a forty piece.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
If it makes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Sense, and if I don't go out there and embarrass myself,
and I truly feel that I can win the fight,
and I'm showing it inside the ring. Are you can
You can think something already, Dray, you can think, you
always think, But how I'm performing in here, that's real.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
That's too late that's real.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
You gotta understand that. But I won't sign something unless
I know that I'm ready, that I'm ready mentally.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
See, I'm different. I'm see.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Most people don't think I'm calculated. Bro, I'm calculated too
to a degree. I'm ready, but I'm calculated too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
So with me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
And I'm saying Jay Leon love and I've already dreamt this,
I've already been visualized this. I'm training for it. I
feel it in my bones, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
But some people would say Tim tripping. He crazy. I
understand it because I'm a fighter. But that another person
may say, Man, you're tripping.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
I want this bum out of sport, Bro, Jake, I want.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Him out, That's just it. He's gonna try to beat
him out the sport.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Why not? Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Dre for real? Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
I want to do that out of sport, bro, for real?
Because now he's making things worse for the other.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
The other ones.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Nobody sees it because they're gonna be watching him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
They're not gonna want to watch the cor.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Nobody's gonna want to watch the cor or watch a
real fight. They want to see Jake Paul. They want
to see the show. They want to he's taking their imagination.
He's dumbing down the people, the casuals too, and he's
putting on these damn shows and you know, oh man,
he fight Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson got a chance and
all this stuff. When you have a cold a cold

(01:35:00):
fighter and Schaport Stevenson dog that everybody's gonna look at
him be like, well, he's all right. You know, he's
not Jake Paul. He's not doing numbers like Jake Paul.
He's not making money like Jake Paul. Like I have
a problem with that. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
For me, I'm just saying, like, are they people gonna
support a Chakor or.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
A key Sean or you know, any of these other
guys man that's on the rise.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
If they know what they're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Yeah, But if you keep it having that, because that
keeps saying how great he is and how he's this,
and how he's that, and he's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
All lies, He's not.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
As soon as you as soon as you hit this
dude in his face, bro, as soon as Chavez decided
to throw in the last two rounds, it was easy.
And I'm talking about Chavis Junior off the couch literally
it was easy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
So this is when we that's all that's we're looking
at the same patient. We just see it totally different
because I look at it, like I've heard people say
that for years about even the celebrity boxing or whatever,
all these people doing these exhibitions taking away from the sport.
I look at it quite quite differently. I look at
it like it's really just showing the level we at.

(01:36:22):
You could put that out there, you could put you
could put that, you could you could put that product
out there, but you gonna really see like, oh, this
boxing thing ain't really as easy as they trying to
make it seem like that's elite right there, that that's
a real guy right there. That's how I look at it. Yeah.
But we can talk about this stuff, man all day. Yeah,
we want to get back to the career.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
All right, man, you pivot from many pack yard one,
all the drama that happened after the fight, and you
just it's just nine short months later, you fight a
guy named Rujlan Provannikoff. When you first saw him fight,
did you think the fight was gonna be the way
that it was?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
I knew it was gonna be tough because he could
punch and he could boss a little bit too, but
I knew that I can I box them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, I knew you didn't what you did.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Look, man, look let me tell you a story.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Guess who I got to speak to before that fight.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
My research Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Ray Lewis Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
You're responsible for this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Ray Lewis Bro. So the vision was to go in
there and box his ears off.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
That's what you around.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Oh, that's what we trained for. But when ray Lewis
told me how I can get my fans back, how
I can change my career is by showing what I'm
made of internally.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
That football talk boy boxing bro. Right do right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Thank you? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Hey? What is like?

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
It's bittersweet man. This is in the locker room. Yeah,
in the locker room. So FaceTime, FaceTime bro, Yeah, it
was a FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
And he was like, you go out there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
You know, you get an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
A lot of people don't have these type of opportunities.
So you get opportunities to show people what you made of,
show people why you here, you know, show them your talent.
If you do that and you put it all out there,
they gonna love you, you know. And I was like,
and I was desperate because at that point my name

(01:38:25):
was mud.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
You know, I look back at.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
That situation, man, and I say.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Damn, what could I have done?

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
But then I say to myself, then I won't be
fair to me. So if I get a belt back,
I look like a hero, but then I won't be
fair to me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Because I felt I wanted to fight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I felt it was close, could have win either way,
but I felt like I wanted to fight. So but
going into that rouselan fight man, the game plan.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Was the box box box.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Speaking to Ray Lewis, just then walking out there and
then seeing him and then having all those emotions put
pented up in me man, from the from the MANI
pac ol fight the controversy, and knowing that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Hey, I'm finna go to war with this man.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
I'm willing to do it whatever it takes, and do
whatever it takes to show everybody what I'm made of. Bro.
When he hit me with that first right hand, right, hey,
I'm not gonna lie, Bro. I don't know how I
didn't go to sleep. I should have been knocked out
with that first right hand. I knew from that point on,

(01:39:35):
I knew it was gonna be it's gonna be a tough,
tough fight. I'll tell you another thing that any people
don't really know. I struggled making weight that fight. You
said that nine months in between, Well, I ballooned up.
You know, I'm meeting all them twinkies and you're dealing
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
So I blew up and wait, and I had a
certain amount of time eight weeks to get ready for
a fight and drop off. Yeah, and drop off close
to thirty pounds off this frame. And so I'm about
one eight and I got to tear it down in
eight weeks, and I didn't do it properly. Many people

(01:40:13):
don't realize that. And the day of the weigh ins,
I was ten pounds overweight and I had to bring
you the specialists to come help me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Make that weight.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
So I was drained, not gonna lie, but I didn't
give a damn at all that fight.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I did not care, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
There was moments where I did feel like quitting. There
was moments where where I didn't even know I was
in the fight, Like I was just on auto posit.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
You know, I'm in the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Tenth round thinking it's the second round.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Come on, Yeah, what round is it?

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
We're going to ten?

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
What it ain't the second round? No?

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
What are you? There was times where like I didn't
come back to like life, to reality the thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Go watch that fight, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
I'm sitting there and I'm looking at looking at you
Will and he's looking at me and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
He's talking to me, hey man, you gotta fight, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
And I'm stuck. And then he's shaking my head and
then I'm back. Then I'm like, what you want me
to do?

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Box? Okay? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
And then you see me react.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
He's a very vocal coach. He's loud, he talks a
lot in the corner. So I know he was probably
losing his mind because you didn't give him the memo
that you wasn't gonna box right before the He.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Had a feeling. He had a feeling because he saw
the change in my eyes and he said that to
me personally, he had a feeling. But the amount of
damage that I took in that fight shortened my career.
So you know, again bitter and Sweet boosting my career.
So like every fighter, there's always a memorable fight. Yours

(01:41:52):
is coalesced memorable fight, Bro. You know, showing that undenowable
will and determination to win, you know, them off the canvas,
pulling yourself off the canvas and going to get that
win and stepping stepping towards that line. Right, same thing here, man,
You know, this was my fight that highlights my career.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
This is what the fight that everybody remembers most. They
don't remember the.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
MANI packout fights or the Marquez you know, boxing lessons
I put on them. By the way, that Marquez fight
was easy money. And Marquez you said that I didn't
I didn't want to rematch you lying because we offered
you to rematch and you turned it down. So yeah,
but anyways, yeah, shoot, this was my fight, my god

(01:42:37):
say with the going fire moment of my career. Man,
where I took a lot of damage. It took years
off my life, but at the same time it revived
my career.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
What was that that week after that fight? Two weeks after,
three weeks after because you said, man, you you admitted
you just did just now that you left something in
that ring? What was them? The weeks after the fight?

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Light slurred speech, balance his shoes, you know, equilibrium was
off all the time, approprial session was off.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
So like I can walk forward.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
There's a corner right here, and I would think I
cleared and bump into it, put my head down, I
lose my balance, dizziness, I was angry. I pissed blood
for about a few days. Yeah, it look it took
a lot out of me, man, But having my wife,

(01:43:33):
she helped change that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
You know, my wife was My wife is always the
one looking for answers. There has to be something we
can do. There has to be, you know, we have
to figure out a way to get that, get that
back what you lost.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Some of it. So she seeked out.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
I went down and seen I went down to Pittsburgh
and I went to like this concussion hospital. You know,
that's what they that's what they do. Man, All these
tests on me and things got a color in mind
my brain and they that was at that point when
they let me know that, hey, you should retire.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
They said that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Wow, bro, this whole left side was gone. So like
you can see the branches and the connections and stuff
like that in the brain. Broke this whole left side
brout there. What's gone?

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
When what did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
I said, what happened to the left side?

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
I said, what happened to the left side. There was
just like they.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Was just like, man, that's I'm like there was like, man,
that's from again. You get a protein that build up
around that, and it's like it forms a patch over the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Top of it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
So you know, it's really hard to really have any connections,
you know, around that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
You know, it's just become.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Like a a permanent scar on your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
They give you any roadmap to revitalize.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
So yeah, So what I went was I went to
Long Beach and I found a neurologist out there to
help me be able to you know, get a lot
of my balance back, they said. The speech wild slowly
started to come back with the exercises and stuff, and
he had me do some weird exercises, bro, Like I
would have to like move my neck, you know, move

(01:45:17):
my head this four four or five times, climb my
hands up the wall, looking like it's just weird, you know,
just to recordate and kind of like rechannel and program
my brain. Even exercises were you know, you know, I'm
lifting I'm lifting this arm and I'm lifting this leg,
you know, just things like that. Man, to try to
just get that coordination back. And then they just said, Man,

(01:45:38):
it was rest, hyperbag chamber. Uh, you know, cryout therapy,
ice baths, a lot of massage on my neck. You
know a lot of people don't realize that when you
have a concussion, massage helps, especially in get that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
That's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
So but yeah, I start doing all these various things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I think going in that training camp with.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Marquaz, there was more work outside the ring than actually
in the ring. So the preparation was was focused and
geared getting the stuff that I left in the ring
becain ruspov getting some of that back as opposed to
just a hard training. So I spent more time outside
the ring doing therapy than the work inside the ring,

(01:46:25):
and it helped.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
But I was only seven months later. That's seven months later.
You going there against one Manuel Marquez after he ices
Manny Pacyall. I remember thinking like, Bro, that's the that's
the that's the next one, Like maybe get one and
then make sure you're.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Good and ingot we had to get at you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Bro. You put on a you put on a boxing lesson. Man,
just Michaelangelo just like and I'm like, why you why
you didn't do this?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
The whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
What what? What? What? What switched on for that fight
when you were disciplined the whole fight. I know it's
not easy, person, but you made it look easy against
that guy. What shifted in your mind the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Fact that I gave the fans what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
I gave him what they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
And now it's time to get back and do what
I know I know how to do and get this
Hall of Fame victory.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Because the whole camp we just screamed.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
My dad was screaming out, this gonna put you in
the Hall of.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Fame right here, that fight.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Yeah, my dad was screaming that out. This fight right here,
gonna put you in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
They ain't gonna have this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Ain't gonna be no controversial decision.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
This ain't gonna be none of that. It's gonna get
you in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
That's what he's screaming out because he knows that Markus
is the Hall of Famer. You know so, and you
know I needed that win, that victory.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
You could do it all over again when you fight
the exact same fight.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Reuz, I'm fine to call damn.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
That's a good question, BROA same.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Situation, everything the same, but you get to box or
you fight that way again.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
I will fight that way again. That's crazy, I will
fight that way again.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
I think that's what defines me now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Man, I think like I had a hard time when
I'm up in my career. You know, how do you
define Tim Bradley? You know, I was averaged in every
single department. It wasn't like one thing that really stuck
out like it wasn't. But that determination, that will to win.

(01:48:38):
You can't deny that. You can't deny me that, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Like that was me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Tim is a warrior period. You know, that's what defines me.
He's a warrior, warrior spirit. He gonna give you everything
he got and I'm cool with that. There's a storm,
I'm cool with that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
So whatever you lost, whatever whatever comes with that, You're
willing to stand on that to make sure you get
You get that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
A lot of people don't understand that. We fighters. We
understand what we We understand what we do. We understand
the consequences that go along with it and the repercussions.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
That go along with it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Man, you know that's not normal, right, I know, we
we know you know that's not we wired a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Yeah, we wired differently for sure. Yeah, absolutely, programming wired differently.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Man. Fighters are normal, but that ain't normal.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
No, it's not normal. But you know, for me, there's
not much in my life man that I regret.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Man, not much.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
There's a few things dre but boxing wise, I'll take
the same course going through Thompson, the same thing, man.
You know, of course we look. I wish the money
was a little bit better coming up, bro, but it
is what it is. What not getting the money or
having that money and getting paid all that money, it

(01:49:50):
just kept me hungry. You know a lot of guys
now in boxing, they don't earn all them no big
pay checks, man, not anymore. And all these do entities
coming in paying all this type of money. Now, bro, Yeah,
imagine a devon knowledge Fan Xander fight in this generation.
It's so similar to what we getting this weekend. That's

(01:50:13):
big money.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
That's big, big money. You had to earn that back
in the days when we was fighting. Now they just
getting there. Here you go, oh I want to see
that fight. Oh yeah, here you go. Here's five ten million,
here's fifteen million. So it's a little different now.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
There happy them guy's getting money. Man, if I ain't
mad at them, if I had to get your money,
if I had to choose somebody getting more money or
less money, because you know, historically, man, dudes have always
gotten less, way less. They got hard fights a long money.
So I get excited, man when I see some of
the figures right now, you know, I'm like, man, that's

(01:50:49):
what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
So but what happens. What happens when that money stopped?

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I gotta figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Oh, they getting paid, But it's the next generation gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Take the the drop It's gonna be interesting the drop off, right,
That's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
The way I that's the way I think, Dray, What
about the next generation? He gonna take a pay cut?
Oh you making that for that guy? What you think
the next generation gonna want? They want more. It's just
like football, all these other sports.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Man, they want more and more and more.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
Now, if you don't have someone that's gonna carry that
and actually pay these fighters that, then we got a problem, Houston.
So hopefully all these new entities stay in the game
a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Man. You fought Manipac y'all again. In twenty fourteen lost
in an anim's decision. You fought again at twenty sixteen,
and then you retire. You dance with Manupac y'all for
thirty six rounds. Not a lot of men can say that,
why did you retire after that fight at that time?

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Because it was the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
It was the first time that I it was the
first time ever in my career that I checked.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Out during the fight or in preparation for the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
During the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Wait, what round did that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Probably around the ninth when I got dropped the second time.
He was a ninth or tenth. I got dropped by
Manny for the second time. That was the first time
that I ever stopped really trying to win. Usually I
would fight all the way to the end, no matter
what what's going on. But I knew then I was

(01:52:34):
like saying to myself, like, if I can, if it's
that easy right now for me to quit, then I
know moving forward, you know, I kind of lost that
psychological edge and always pushing, and you know, no matter
what I was like, I'm gonn getting up getting hurt
so and towards the back end of my career, I

(01:52:58):
was finding myself more and more spending time at the
hospital after my fights. So I had Diego Chavez. I
had the big old human Tomo in my eye had
a broken eye socket. Fault with a broken eye socket, yeah,
fault with a broken rib, broken hand. Like, bro, this

(01:53:18):
is a gladiator, gladiator sport, that's what it is. We
have to fight through this type of stuff. Ain't no
going back to no damn no locker room and then coming.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Out, Oh he's alright. BE gave him a little shot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
That boxing is a different sport. But I want to
say that I just look, I just felt like I
started feeling less and less on myself, and I felt
like if I couldn't compete at the highest level, that
there's no need for me to continue. You know, I'm
not finna just be dutching and dodging or this guy

(01:53:53):
or that guy or oh I think I could be
nah m hm. So that's the reason why I was
just like, you know, what, I've done enough. I put
enough away. My wife made sure of that. And you
know when I when I before I retired, I asked
her for three things. That was it, three things, and

(01:54:14):
I said, if you can honor these three things. Then
I said, I'm good, and it's simple. I said, four
or five star hotels, first class plane tickets, excellent food
if I want to go to a steakhouse when I

(01:54:35):
want to go, don't matter spending grand there or whatever
it is. I got to have those three things. I
feel that I've earned it. I put enough work to
be able to earn that that right to have those
three things a comfort, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
And my wife said done.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
I don't need the fast cars, I don't need all
the watch I don't need all the juries. I don't
need none of that materialist. Those three things right there
I can live with. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Yeah, man, you had a successful transition post career to broadcasting.
Uh y'all own multiple businesses, real estate, all the all
the stuff. Man? What what? What? How did that? How
did that happen? Like, what's the what's the blueprint to
make that happen? Because a lot of us don't do that.
We end our careers and the money is gone just

(01:55:23):
as fast as the careers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Well, a lot of fighters, we don't. We don't look
a lot of fighters, man. We come from humble beginnings, bro.
And as you know, financial literacy is something that you
got to learn and pick up. It's not like they
teaching in school either. They don't teach it in school.
I don't understand why they don't teach it in school.

(01:55:46):
I don't get it. School system needs to, they need
they need to.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
They need to change it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
We still bro They still reading to Killing Mockingbird. Bro
Like I read that years ago. They still reading that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
We got better books and other books that they can read.
But anyways, so early in my career I made a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
I want to say, about one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars paid up all off my debt, so and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
But I wasn't incorporated.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
Anybody didn't know anything about being corporated. You know, you
have to get certain write offs you can write off
you know, you know, you get the loan form right
off from things. So I wasn't incorporated. So at the
end of the year, I owed a lot in taxes.
So I had to pay about sixty thousand in taxes

(01:56:39):
or so someone, you know, And I felt like I
was getting close to that to not having money, man,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
So from there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
I started making more and more money and I had
another tax person that I had to affiliate myself with,
and I made I basically made.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
More money than what they can handle.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
So then I had to seek out and find another
CPA that knew what to do with big money. Found
this guy from a friend of my wife's New Yorker
Jewish guy. Gotta say that know how to keep that money.

(01:57:28):
But the only way I was going to work with
him is he had to teach me where to put
my money and how might get grown to make it grow.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
That was the only way. You hear too many stories.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Of just trusting people and giving them money and letting
them do what they supposed to do and they end
up getting robbed. Too many athletes, right, So once he
said yeah, and he started showing me how to invest
my money, where to put my money, And that's how
I was able to pick up that financial literacy that
a lot of fighters don't have because I had a
guy actually teach me. So, you know, from life insurance policies,

(01:58:04):
you know, to iras, you know, sept and raw, you
name it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
You know some people like the four oh one K
you know, real estate was a big one too, Stock
markets another big one.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
He taught me how to you know, trade stocks as well.
You know so, but that's how I was able to
pick it up. But it was all about first getting
incorporated and then little by little man just growing, you know, uh,
my literacy and in financial Why.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
You never fought Floyd Mayweather? Was that ever an option?

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
It was somewhat.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
I don't want to say, you know what, let me
take that back, cause people people be they take your words.
If you don't really if you leave an open ending,
then they just to think what they want. So it
was a verbal verbal agreement, agreement men or verbal option.
I got that phone call, Tim, you want.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
To fight Floyd? Eight million dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Don't sign to fight Manny pack y'all eight mil fight Floyd.
I'm like, okay, or wire me four million, pay me
four million when I get in the ring with Mayweather.
By this time, I'm a veteran the game people.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Hey, they make.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
Promises, false promises all the time, right, and I ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
I'm out on food.

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
So as soon as they didn't give me the money
or wire me the money, I knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Was wasn't real.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
But I've always wanted to fight Floyd, always wanted to
fight Floyd. Glad your boy Burdo got it though, But
I would have loved to fight Floyd Maywelling.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
He always wondered about that. Yeah, Man, a couple more
Man had. We had a six seven year run at ESPN.
Man from like twenty seventeen. I think he went to
twenty twenty four. My contract ended in twenty twenty three.
We didn't we didn't renew. I moved on, y'all said,
another year and some change. Man. We had a lot
of good times, bro. We had a we had a

(02:00:13):
cold run at ESPN. Man. We had a great team,
you know, our lead, Mike McQuaid, Bernardo or Sooner, Mark Craig,
Joe Tessa, you know, just everybody behind the scenes and
everybody that was on camera time of time. We had
Christina Pontra come over. Bro. We had a good run, yeah, Laddin,

(02:00:35):
Mike all that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Man. It was tough, you know, like, not gonna lie, Bro.
I shed some tears. I ain't gonna lie. Oh yeah, Bro,
you know, because I felt like we was a perfect combination,
you know, ying and yang, and all of a sudden
it was gone. But now it's like now I'm faced

(02:01:02):
with a task. Now I gotta hold it down by myself.
Usually you you know, you got teammates, you can you know,
some days you do a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Of heavy lifting. Some days I do a lot of
heavy lifting.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
But I didn't have that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:12):
I was thinking to myself, like, man, this is gonna
be this is gonna be difficult. You know, like you
come from a different The way you call fights and
the way you view things and the way you elaborate
things come from a different perspective then the way I
see things. So that was gonna be gone. The dynamic
is gone. And so it was a lot of worry.

(02:01:33):
But you know, with that pressure, you either sink or
you swim, bro. And you know, I started, little by
little man, growing growing in that position. You know. One
of the things that I remember you saying is is that, hey,
this is an opportunity for you to grow your craft, bro,

(02:01:53):
and like become solid legit. And I remember you telling
me that, and I was just like, yeah, you was
like hold it down.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
And so that that pushed.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Me to to to.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
You know, hey, I gotta I gotta do what I
gotta do.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
I gotta do what I gotta do. Man, y'all held
it down, man for for like I said, they have
some change man. Crazy story though, Bro, you know we
would go back and forth to New York for some reason.
You like driving in New York. I love it. I
would never get a rental car in New York. I
love them. You get a rental car, yeah, you know

(02:02:34):
I'm going to you park in the garage, bro, for
two three days? How long we did? You know? We
the fighters on Saturday, we get up early morning. We
got of their first day smoking. On Sunday morning, Brother,
you get in the wrong car somehow someway, the hotel
valet gives you the wrong keys a car that looked

(02:02:57):
like your car though, right you get in the car,
you said, man, it smell like weed. I just I
said that wouldn't a sign. You was like, nah, I
just meant I had to go. I had to catch
a flight. Did you say was weed in the trunk?
Or was it? Was it? It just sl like we
like weed. But you pull up, you pull up to
the to the airport. You don't take the car back
to the to the rental place because you late. You

(02:03:20):
dropped the car and leaned the car right there the airport. Bro.
They finally get the car They're like, mister Browley, this
is not even our car, Like, what do you what happened? Bro,
That's kind of something happened all the time. But tell
me about that is I ain't never forgot that b Broh.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
I'm the one that gave you this gym information, bro,
and not.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
The gym information here. And I went to the wrong
boxing club.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Bro me in directions.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
We don't get along, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
I don't want to listen.

Speaker 3 (02:03:54):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
I was late.

Speaker 3 (02:03:56):
I didn't want to be late to the airport, missed
my flight.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
It's about three in the morning for the more So, yeah,
I got up late, but I lost my ticket.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Yeah, I lost it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
And so I'm trying to if you know anything about
New York, man, you know it's multiverse, right, It's a lot.
So I had a god that didn't really speak English.
So I'm Puerto Rican probably guy. I'm saying like, hey man,
I know what it looked like. I know what it
looked like. So I'm going through there look at it

(02:04:26):
and trying to help her find my car. And I'm like,
that's it right there, that's it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
I gotta go, let's go. That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:32):
So he pulls it down and I take it. Bro
and I get in a car and I'm thinking to myself,
I'm like, it smelled like weed in here. Maybe this
ain't my car. But at the same time, I'm thinking,
maybe somebody here that work here took it for a
joy ride that's sposed some weed or something in it.
So I'm thinking that too. I'm hoping that right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
But as I'm driving, Drake.

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
As I'm driving Drake, No, as I'm driving, I'm thinking
to myself, this ain't my car, This ain't my car stopped,
this ain't my car. Drake.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
I couldn't be late, Dre. I couldn't be late. So
I do. But Drake, but this one thing I have
to crut you on. I did get to the rental
car spot. I did, but this was it. You know,
usually they wait for you and then they come over
there and they beep the car.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
I drove up quick, whoop, jumped out, boom, brab my
luggage boom, and I just I took off. Hey, Bro
left the key in there. I didn't look back. I
just I just start walking the lady. I heard thee
I boomed out.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Brother left that car there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
Man, they called. They had called me and was like, no,
you know what, I take that back. They didn't call me.
This is why I sell my wife. I had my
wife call in the morning right once she wave God
said babe, that's what I need you to do. I
need your call. Call the company. I dropped it off here.

(02:06:11):
I don't think it's my car. However, you need to
handle this for me. And she was like, don't worry
because you know, I'm on I'm on a I'm on
a plane. So I had to, you know, let her know.
But anyways, they end up getting the car told to
to where it needed to be. Yeah, the right place.
But yeah, bro, from rental cars hitting the rental cars,

(02:06:36):
Oh bro, yeah, being down.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
What we was with National right and then Enterprise.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
So I'm with that. We were National with ESPN and
I had so many run ins with the cars.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
They stop messing with. You would know.

Speaker 3 (02:06:54):
They what they what would they would do is is
they they put me on Enterprise and they picked the
car for me.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
So you go to National.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
You know what I'm saying, you get out that bad boy.
You could Hey, you pick what you want, bro. They
gave me them little buckets for a few That's what
you getting.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
Yeah, this is what you're getting.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
You're damaging all our cars.

Speaker 3 (02:07:11):
You you sending our cars to different different rental car places.

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
So I don't even want to know what your car
insurance is like, bron, is it is it high?

Speaker 3 (02:07:20):
It's the cheapest. It's the cheapest car insurance in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
You got that basic comprehension that nah nah, Bro, Come on, man,
well you start getting wrecks and stuff, they listen, California.

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
You gotta be man. Look man, I'm telling you, bro.
So when you like us and if you can afford it,
you gotta have car insurance and an umbrella policy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
On top of that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
You gotta because when they know it's you, if something
happens and incident happens, they know it's you. They coming
for you. Everything right, and somebody get hurt. So, oh,
I'm maxed out. But again I've tried to look at
the lord of my insurance.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
There's no other place, man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:06):
I mean, yeah, I got the limits are maxed out
bro on that joint.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
So but yeah, anyways, you know, brother.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
I appreciate you. Man. Good to see you. Man. I
always love coming to San Diego.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
Bro, Hey, I appreciate you Man, I told you it
was gonna be raining out here.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
But I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:23):
I appreciate you for coming out here man and thinking
about me, bro for real, an interview on me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:28):
Man, for real. People's been asking for this, man, So
I'm glad we was able to link back up.

Speaker 3 (02:08:31):
Man. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's that's cool.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:35):
But I like what you're doing, big Dog. I like
what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:38):
Love, brother.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
I ain't gonna lie, I do. I love what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:08:42):
I'm always watching you know that, Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Yeah, appreciate you, b Yeah. Man, I appreciate y'all tuning
in for another episode of the Art Award. Thank you
for tapping in, Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
Thank you guys. Man appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
Thank you. I appreciate Youatt

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