August 24, 2023 • 49 mins
Happy Mamba Day! In honor of today being 8/24, we put together the best Mamba stories from ALL THE SMOKE. This compilation episode is the ultimate celebration of Kobe's indelible impact and mythical legacy. Hear from former teammates, opponents, coaches, and more that were fortunate enough to encounter Kobe. Their firsthand accounts provide rare insight into the mindset, work ethic, and competitive spirit that defined the Mamba Mentality.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
What up y'all. As you guys probably know, Stack and
I are on summer break right now, taking a little
time with the family. But we back to All the
Smoke soon. But to on our brother Kobe and his
birthday coming up, we put together a special mashup our
long video of Kobe stories from our prior guests, from
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Klay Thompson to Shack to Jeanie Buss, Carmelo Anthony. The
list goes on the effect that Kobe had on their lives,
on our lives, on your lives. So we hope you
guys enjoyed the video. Happy birthday to our brother and
we'll see you guys in a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Happy birthday, Kobe Bean Brian. Hey, we miss you, Bro
from morning until we join you. Say me and Matt
Ben spend a little time with our family, take a break.
We'll be right back at youall with most great content.
All the Smoke, Showtime Basketball Today. Tribute to my brother
Kobe Bean Brian All I guess loved him, had great stories,
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wanted to give him his flowers. So we're gonna get
it to y'all today. Our long video of just giving
our brother his love. Happy Birthday being Brian Showtime Basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I remember Cole's first day on our AAU team. So
I played AAU and Patterson with Tim Thomas and kill
our squad.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
We were playing I remember playing it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, we were playing against Elton Brand and those and
Coles comes to the squad and the first couple of
games he wasn't starting coming in doing these things still,
and then big Bean Pops came up like, hey, hey,
it's cold.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's my young fella. He deserves to be out there.
He's just as good as whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So I remember Cole's first game playing the point, coming down,
gets the half court boom, pull up, she's a hairball.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We're like, bro, what's up?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Step in a little bit, you know, right, come down
to the sept poom boom one two at half court
next time. All net like his confidence. He's like, bro,
I can hit that. That's just nothing. That's my you know.
It was just that mentality at that age earlier, on
his first second game playing with this team, it wouldn't like,
let me fit in Tim Thomas' Tim Thomas's number one
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in his class.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm top five. He like, bro, I'm below.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Hey, rip.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
I used to tell people about the McDonald's game. Like
when he was there, he had a certain aura and
a certain presence about him that we all knew he
was gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Like I tell a story, like everybody has pictures were
like group pictures together, but everybody was taking one on
one pictures with Kobe game.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Because we all knew.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Everybody knew, bro, don't I got pictures with everybody, but
Kvie is the only person I got a one on one.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Picture with in high school.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
We knew then that this dude was different, Bro, Yo,
he was. He was for real, man stank he was.
I mean, like we used to because we were roommates too,
Like so.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
All the au events we were roommates and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
And I remember when he was talking about on your show,
like he had to kill this, right, And it's funny
because you know, we were in roommates and it was
many times at night that this dude just didn't want
to go to sleep, you just wanted to talk basketball, right.
And we were about to play Tim Thomas and a
Charlie Webber tournament in Maryland, and Tim Thomas was the
number one player in the country at the time, and
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Cole was just in a room all night, like one
o'clock in the morning, just pacing around my bed like, yo, rip,
you know tomorrow I'm gonna kill this dude.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
And I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Tim Thomas, Like, first of all, we don't even play
the same position as him, right, But but Tim played
on the wing at that time too. Like he was
surreal at that time, right because he was a six ' nine,
can handle the ball, can play inside outside.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He was like, Man, I'm gonna kill this dude.
Speaker 9 (04:13):
Man.
Speaker 8 (04:13):
He was like after after tomorrow, it ain't gonna be
no doubt in anybody's mind who the number one player
in America is, Like they saying I ain't.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The number one player.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
Watch watch after the Morrow night, I'm like, bro, go
to sleep, man.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We played them early in the morning.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
Man, I like, let's talk about this pregame, but like tonight,
let's go to bed. So from a mentality standpoint, man, dude,
dude was different.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Man.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
He was definitely one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
How did he do in the game?
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Was after the game, Bro, Matt, After that game, you
can pull up every tabloid or every little Skelt report,
and every last one of them had Kobe Bryant as
the number one.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 10 (04:57):
He came out.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
He might have had close to fifth, right, I remember that. Yeah,
And we won, and we won.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You guys came in pretty much the same time in
similar starts to where it took you a couple of
years to get your to really get on the court,
It took Cod a couple of years to get on
the court. But like you guys said, you guys were
both Adidas guys, both young and out of place and
really had to lean on each other. Talk to me
more about your guys relationship.
Speaker 11 (05:21):
So because we were, you know, both Adidas guys and
both made the jump from high school to the pros,
there was an opportunity for me to go out there
and just be around Cod in La. And I went
out to La. I stayed with him in the house
with him and his parents. Mom used to fire out that,
you know, fried chicken for us and macarodi and cheese.
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I was eating good at that boy house. Man he
had he had chores and everything.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
But yeah and up pale.
Speaker 11 (05:50):
Yeah, he was out there, absolutely, But to be around
cold at nineteen years old, bro, you would have thought
Cod had been here before and been around you know
the greats of the game. Because his mindset was so
different Bro than I ever experienced. I ever seen anybody
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at nineteen years old like this man really and truly
thought he was better than Michael Jordan, was gonna be.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Better than Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Thank you tea man.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (06:21):
And at the time, I'm looking at my dog, I'm like, Bro,
you crazy as hell. Bro for anybody's even think that
as a team, And I'm like, Bro, something, I don't
want you fair like you crazy. So we used to
watch his home his Homegrowl movies, Come Fly with Me, Playground.
I used to watch that religiously. Bro, Paul's it and
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might do something Paul rewind mimic it. I was like dog,
he was obsessed with this shit karate flicks.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, man, he was different.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Bro.
Speaker 11 (06:54):
Going to school, I was like, Bro and his work, ethic,
just everything just bro off on me. And how he
handled himself. Man, Partying wasn't his thing. He wasn't to
hang out. Now, Oh you want you going to the club, Shit,
I'm gonna go to the gym. Put up these shots
like That's what he was about. He was just he
was different. I learned from him, and you know, he
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struggled his first year. It was Spad the Lakers. The
players used to mess with Coche so bad his first year. Man,
he hated it, bro And because he took those steps,
he went through that fire. I came after. I was
able to lean on him times where I felt like
I made a mistake of coming out of high school.
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So I leaned on him all the time, man, and
our relationship started to do like this because he was
concentrated on trying to win championships and he sacrificed everything,
like he cut everybody off to win championship and be
great as he possibly can be.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And I was over here trying to win scoring titles.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
I knew that he had it. I remember him at
eighteen years old telling me he's gonna be the Will
Smith of the NBA. Like slow down, young fella. But
he had a dream. He had a vision, you got, Jiggie.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 12 (08:13):
He had a dream. He had a vision, and look
he went for him.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Being forty nine year old. Check looking back on those
Laker days, he said, you won three out of four.
He said, you probably cause for some of the ego
if you had the wisdom you have now back then,
how many championships you feel like you guys could have
watched seventh.
Speaker 12 (08:31):
Because the reason why I got traded it wasn't about
me and Kobe Beef is what they wanted me to
take less money not doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Cole said at least ten. We asked him, he said
at least ten? Yeah, said seven and ten for the Spurs. No,
that's true, but I got money. I had money.
Speaker 12 (08:52):
I just should have been like, all right, I raise
you enough, it's your team now, I know what I'm
gonna do. I'm still gonna do my twenty eight ten
all right. But I was like, nah, I want, I want,
I don't care what you like. If I had all
over do again, I probably would have had a meeting
with the family.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
What's y'all want to do?
Speaker 12 (09:12):
Want me take less money, take a less role, stay here,
or you were still wanting to be shocked? He's that
ego and the egos still got me what I want.
I still went to Miami and Pat carried me. I
still won one, but I would have liked to have
stayed there the rest of my career.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Speaking of Kobe, you got a chance to play with him,
at the beginning of his career, at the end of
your career. And we had we had talked about this
when we had sat down at the crib. Tell tell
us some of the stuff that went on, because you
caught a young Kobe and you guys are in the
same position, right.
Speaker 13 (09:46):
So my third year was his first A Jones was
starting off, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
At the time. Yeah, he was an All Star.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
He was an All Star or whatever, fake all Star,
but he was an All Star, right, and then Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
I just I remember Kobe, a young lion.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You were just like, you know how young lions hunt,
you know what I mean, And like, man.
Speaker 13 (10:04):
I can get out there and get me a kill,
you know what I mean, Just put me in a game, coach.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He was over there home.
Speaker 13 (10:10):
Oh, he was over there hungry. I just seen it
in his eyes. Right, So when he got a gang, right,
and I used to kill Addie Jones. I used to
really really serve that guy. So Kobe Coby real talk,
you know, I mean the silver food one time two
in any Wood.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I didn't want to, wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
It wasn't even no smoke. I can just said, what's up.
But that's the whole other stuff.
Speaker 13 (10:30):
Right, But so Cobe on the bench way, you know
what I mean, Kobe on the bench waiting ready to go.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
When he got the game, he was real.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He was real.
Speaker 14 (10:39):
I'm just gonna say a while, right.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He was kind of wild.
Speaker 13 (10:43):
But I remember calling my brothers at home, like, man,
I just played against the raw as young eighteen year
old that's probably out there.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I mean, I ain't never played against a young boy that.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Got it like this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So I'm twenty four to.
Speaker 13 (10:53):
Twenty five big boy, you know what I mean, twenty
four to twenty five playing big.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
You know Jean benjer On all that was he doing.
Speaker 13 (11:01):
But I was I was a grown man, so on
my mind, no young joy was going you know, I
wasn't going for that, you know what I mean, from
taking to the painting room, blow the blow up, whatever
we're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I wasn't going for that.
Speaker 13 (11:11):
But I've seen the greatness any young right then what
I call home, I'm like, man, this young boys gonna
be nice.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Fast forward to h three years light on me.
Speaker 13 (11:20):
Watch him go to work and I'm doing my thing,
and then they traded and put him in a game.
So his I guess four for you because when he
really got on right or something like that, I think
Eddie was gonna he got in the game and he
never looked back, right, He never looked back.
Speaker 15 (11:37):
But y'all don't know, is that Kobe Bryant rest in
peace to my dog. He took another level of being
a defensive standpoint because Gary Payton after practice after practice,
all star practice, poured us to the side because Cole
dashed him something. They pulled both of us to the side,
said let me tell y'all something. Look when you're playing defense,
and then he went through a thirty minute joint where
both of us with defense and keeping us between the
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leg and reaching and how to reach and when you
reach up and just little.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Tricks of the trade.
Speaker 15 (12:04):
That next time I saw cold after the break he
was using. It became first team that year. First time
I seen him, said he used that shit. GPHO saw it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
He saw it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I got his ass, he saw it, Yo, Yeah, I
saw it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
This yash nigga, I saw that shit.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I said, I caught that shit.
Speaker 15 (12:19):
Didn't think I saw that, but I knew that only
the three of us was part of that.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
So I was like, you you got to you saw shit.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I thought it was gonna callifight. He ain't caught that shit.
Speaker 15 (12:28):
Wow, Because GP taught us when you rip somebody to
go through that chest versus using your hand. You see
this right, He told us to take a step and
come through your chest and come and then round out.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
There's no way you can protect the ball.
Speaker 15 (12:38):
You can't cross it back once you get in there,
once I'm in your cab, you can't cross it up.
You would either have to turn your back. Oh man,
I saw cold take that first night after the break.
I saw it. You know, we want no texting, none
of that back then. But when I first saw him,
I shot there and stayed it right here. When I
saw him, he knew exactly what I was talking about.
Shout out to GP for that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Ye tell us about any personal stories you may have
have a Cob or maybe one of your favorite memories
of Kobe.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Well, you know, Matt, I had the pleasure of mentoring
him for one year when he was in trouble with
the different case and stuff.
Speaker 16 (13:09):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
It was really an enjoyful time for me to mentor him.
I became a big brother to him. Kobe was just
a little different. He didn't have no he didn't have
no ego, but I'm not as a meaning he did
have egle, but I'm saying an ego and asking ogs
what to do and well and how to become better.
And when he came to approach me at the All
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Star Game and asked him how to become how to
get make first team All Defense, and I sat there
at the.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Center court and taught him.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
A lot of things, and he made the first team
All Defense with me that year. I said, this young
kid has a lot of different a lot of different
things in him. He's got a lot of different mentality.
And he kept asking me stuff every time he played me,
and I posted him up and I got it. He
would always come over to me and sneak it in
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my ear. Oh g man, why you keep killing me
on these post ups? Man?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
You got to teach me that what should I do?
Speaker 8 (14:09):
And that was just a big thing for me to
hear that and to respect that. And I couldn't do
nothing but respecting and teach him the game because I
know I'm a lot older than him, and I was
gonna be leaving the game soon, and I want to
see somebody in that game that imitates the things that
I do.
Speaker 14 (14:25):
And can be dominated at it.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
And this kid was one of them guys, and I
taught him everything that I needed to tell you. We
used to stay after practice in LA and he used
to see I used to teach him the post up game.
Then he used to fade away. He took it all.
He'll face you up and go at you. And it
was things that he did like that. And we used
to do drills about defense. I used to get him
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and I used to throw a tennis ball back and
forth and he used to catch with one hand, catch
with one hand and slide I learned, and he got
so good at it where he used to guard all
the top guys. And that's what I started telling him.
Stopped straying away from all the top guys. And they
if the top guy on the team is here, you
guarded guard him all night and then you take his
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heart from him and then you go down.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And kill him on the other end. And that's what
he started doing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What memories were you take from the two thousand finals
experience against the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Shock of Monster.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I mean you't have to go to the finals and
know that though, I mean, man, but it was different then.
Speaker 17 (15:28):
It was different then because in Orlando it was like
the younger, more athletic shock and then like later in
his career, people got to see like the powerful, like
right in front of the rim shock, but like two thousand,
like he.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Was playing d on pick and rolls still.
Speaker 17 (15:46):
Like blocking shots, like he was blocking shots. He started
getting exactly and he was like will to gives us?
He was like forty twenty and he's making his free throws.
But another great thing, man, is Kobe's coming off party.
We hit us with to get down and laid down.
That was dope because he was arguing with their bench.
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Like I used to hear Phil yelling at Kobe, pass the.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Ball, move the ball, get off of it. We're like, yeah, yeah,
get off of it.
Speaker 17 (16:26):
I don't know what game he watched it right, and
Shaq fouled out.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Hey, man, Cole.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I love Cole so much.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He went to work on us.
Speaker 17 (16:37):
And then he hit that jumper at the top of
the kid and he did this that wasn't even to us,
That was to his team because they didn't even believe it.
He was looking at looking at oh No. When Cole
first got drafted to the probably shouldn't say I'm just
trying not to say too much of what I know,
but like Cole was presented by his own teammate, his
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own teammates, Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 14 (17:01):
They was hating on him.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm like, why y'all.
Speaker 14 (17:04):
Gonna hate on him because he was that confident? But
he ain't.
Speaker 17 (17:07):
He ain't even like go out, he ain't dream.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
He was over at UCLA with us, we was in college.
He was a Laker on on campus, chilling.
Speaker 17 (17:15):
I worked out with him that one summer, and you know,
Rob ended up being his agent. I was with them
and Covid and I, you know, young for that, We're
gonna go after the work. I'm gonna go get a massage,
you know what I'm saying. Went to the little spot,
little burk Spy in Santa Monica or whatever. I went
and got it in. I'm in LA, got my little
spot in Santa Monica getting it in. He went back
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to the gym, and I ain't even realized he was
doing it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He was going back.
Speaker 17 (17:43):
To the gym, and so like for him to me
to watch him from like ninety six when he got
drafted and wasn't even appreciated by his own teammates to
like being in that moment where Shaq was ended up
being like the first forty six minutes of the game
and he ended up being the last two. And that's
why I started calling him like the remix of MJ.
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Because to me, he looked like MJ. You sound like MJ.
Move like MJ.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
You the next best thing.
Speaker 18 (18:13):
Shock fouled out, so like everybody kind of paniccked. So
they thought, like, Okay, shock foult out. We got to
move the ball, we gotta get everybody involved, we gotta
play a different style of basketball. And so I think
Covid missed like three shots in a row. He like
took a couple of bad shots whatever, and he missed
three shots in a row. So guys like, man, you
got to move the ball. And Field was on him
a little bit in the time out, and he came out.
I think he might have scored like twelve straight or something,
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and then he hit that big shot and he was
like relaxed.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Like I got this. And after that, after that.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Series, then that's when he it was over.
Speaker 14 (18:43):
It was over relaxed, I got it.
Speaker 18 (18:46):
So you know, the reporter asked Kobe, He's like, you know,
your teammates say you don't trust him, you don't, he said,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
He said, well, I.
Speaker 18 (18:53):
Feel like I got a better chance of making a
shot out of two people than the guy's wide open.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Serious?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
You know? So you know I love him.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Talk to us about your relationship with Cob and what
it was like going to war with him over all
these years.
Speaker 19 (19:16):
I didn't have a personal relationship with him.
Speaker 20 (19:20):
But you know how killers respect killers.
Speaker 19 (19:24):
You know what I mean? And that's and that's what
it was. He knew who I was, I know who
he is. He gave me that push. I gave it
to him. I love the stories that people give me
that were teammates, that were friends.
Speaker 20 (19:38):
I love the stories.
Speaker 19 (19:38):
I wouldn't say it bothered me, but I wish I
could have had a better relationship with him. As far
as how great other people said he was, I want
that energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was
the ultimate. He was the ultimate competitive The man like.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You lucky out of that six sakes six six. That's
what he always That's what that man said, you lucky.
Speaker 19 (20:08):
When I heard that, it made me feel so good
because the respect that.
Speaker 20 (20:14):
That he gave me. It was like, you know, just
like Max.
Speaker 19 (20:18):
You know, I watched First Take, and you know, I
listened to Steven Max go at it. A lot of
people don't rock with Max, but I love Max because Max,
I like Max, always take up for.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Me, don't I don't like the other guy, your homeboy.
Speaker 19 (20:35):
Okay, yeah, let's get back on track.
Speaker 20 (20:41):
I would go all the way off, all right.
Speaker 19 (20:44):
But he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had
a baby, you know, it'll be me, you know whatever.
And you know, just for people to put me in
the same sentence with Cole, just just make me feel
good about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all,
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my homeboys.
Speaker 20 (21:09):
Just it's a it's a tribute to y'all. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 19 (21:12):
For a motherfucker to put me in the same category
as Kobe Bryant, Like, that's so dope to me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Is this story true? Our m uh story that I
heard that you landed in LA and Kobe picked you
up and he lack rain rope. Yeah, he picked you
up because he he wanted he just wanted to chop
it up with you. And after y'all go out to
eat or whatever you decide to go out. He tell
your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
This is my stop. I'm gonna work out. I'm going
to the gym. Is that true story?
Speaker 19 (21:42):
We he took me out to eat and I said,
what you getting ready to do? I'm going to the club.
And he said, I'm going to the gym. And that
was him, That was that was th th That's that's
that's what made I mean that greatness. That's that where
that greatness came from because his work atic six.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Second and h was just But I guarantee you it's
probably a handful of people on the other team that
he was playing and he did that that he can't
because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to nobody through
the game, damn sure, not about another team. So I'm
just saying that sort of respect he had you, He
ain't gonna pick up.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Nobody to break that down.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Hell nah, hell no, studying you the whole time, Yeah,
studying what he was what she was saying, no bullshit,
That's how he was. He was a he was a
sick o when it came to that kind of ship,
like trying to find any kind of advantage or angle
he could possibly get. I'm sure you've seen it right away.
You got a chance play with him. I came and
play with you guys. What it was like just being
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with him and seeing him.
Speaker 21 (22:44):
Now, yeah, I mean what it was. His whole ship
is different. I'll be hearing dude say his name like
he ain't really he was trying to be perfect on
the court all the time, even doing his like his
little shooting routine or whatever. You know what I'm saying.
Even if his footwork, even if he's getting shot, he's
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doing it in a certain way where he's just trying
to be trying to get better at it. You know,
his work effict in the morning, man, he was like
he was a thug at ten in the morning. He
was going he was just banging on breathlets man, yea
for real, like my man, constant, take it easy up
at it. There was no such thing though. It was
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all full steam ahead. Phil Jackson comes in six. What's
that experience? Like, I'm sure you never had nobody like him.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
You know, I mean that that changed.
Speaker 21 (23:38):
I think just probably the way I looked at the game,
you know, really not from the from the physical aspect
from the mental aspect, the mental approach. I mean, you know,
we used to meditate together, and so if you know
anything about meditation, that just like prayer in a sense.
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So really we like we all praying together unreligiously. That's deep,
you know what I mean. So that's gonna build the
extra bond. Gives us books to read according to your
personality of who you are, how you want to affect
your life.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's crazy to have read enough books to be able
to have something for you.
Speaker 21 (24:30):
Understand people that much though, right question how driven was cold?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
And how did that? How did that rub off on you?
Speaker 21 (24:37):
I learned from this dude just by even just room,
just watching them.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Man. You know, he said he was better than Mike.
I know he did. He thought it. He thought it.
You could tell though he felt that way.
Speaker 22 (24:53):
I said, what, I'm walking through the airport and they
like Shaquille O'Neil come in to the Miami Heat. I
was like, damn, we about to be like dope leaving
the Miami Heat and my name they had a lebar Dave.
Speaker 23 (25:10):
I was like, oh shit, like that's how this worked.
Like I thought I was here forever. I just bought
a crib like I can't sell a crib. I just
bought it, like it was just like all that emotional attachment,
but that was just that was just a crazy experienced
one just to be a part of that whole process.
And then going to Los Angeles and I'll never forget
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Kobe signed a deal for one hundred and thirty plus
million dollars. I'm at the press conference and it's actually
a double press conference because they're introducing myself, Brian Grant
lamar Odom to the city of Los Angeles. And then
Kobe signed in this deal and I'll never forget, like
looking at that money. And then the first thing he
turned to the right said to me was get ready
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to fucking black out, Like get ready to work.
Speaker 22 (25:56):
Out, Like let's take that shit to another level. And
I'm talking about the blackout sessions. Was crazy. The reason
why I was an All Star player, the reason why
I'm in the coaching space is because my time that
I spent with Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
What was he like off the court? Basketball genius? All
he talked about was the game.
Speaker 22 (26:20):
I started watching film with him on every plane trip,
just analyzing like the rotations, the schemes, the double teams,
where they was coming from, how to manipulate the defense.
I learned the whole bunch from a Bean and also too,
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you know when you talk about life after basketball, he
gave me like a jewel that stuck with me.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
The roar of the crowd is not for you.
Speaker 22 (26:49):
It's for what you can do, and as soon as
you can do it, they be cheering for someone else.
So like, work on your second act. While you're in
the midst of your first.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
In Western Conference finals against Cold, you guys are right
there on the doorstep, think about that mess up.
Speaker 24 (27:06):
The greatest man I just that was. That was my
moment where me and Cole became Before that, we went
to the Olympics. Before that, we became very close, but
we became close on some like some disrespectful ship like Cold.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You know, you know Cold man, you're.
Speaker 24 (27:24):
Going at your neck saying, she to your elbowing you.
I had my braids back then too, so he.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Touched my head.
Speaker 14 (27:29):
I'm like, ya, don't.
Speaker 24 (27:32):
Don't touch my head, like you know what I'm saying,
I don't touch me no more.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Dog.
Speaker 24 (27:35):
And you know he's smirking, and you know he's doing
his little ship elbows and O nine came and it
was like, I mean, we hugged before the game.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
He was like, war, it's war. I said, it's war.
Speaker 24 (27:50):
Like, let's let's get it, like you ain't gonna be
nothing easy. And I just remember him. He always would
tell me, I guard you in the fourth because gonna
make no they ain't gonna call him hill me in
the fourth, and.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
I just usually try to.
Speaker 24 (28:03):
I used to try to beat him up though you
know I was bigger than him, so I used to
try to beat him up, be physical with him. He
come back elbow and me, I come back elbow on him.
He laughing talking about that's all you got, you know
what I'm saying. It was just pushing my button to see.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, I was gonna standing that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 24 (28:19):
And that's how like we grew man and we all
we became who we.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Are twenty ten.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Man, I remember that shit more than the year that
we wanted, because it was like I started five healthy.
We never lost the we never lost a playoff series,
and I felt like going into La, we was up,
We was up three three two, Game six in LA,
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felt like we had the right momentum going. Obviously they
get Andrew Bonum back, So now I'm playing Andrew Bonum
ticket planing Mark, I mean.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Paul Kasol, Yeah, Powell Kassau.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
So the motherfucker matchups is even we down there were
battling like a motherfucker we going at it. So now
I tell my motherfucking acl man, And it was the
worst thing of my life because I didn't think it
wasn't that I didn't feel like I wasn't gonna bounce back.
But you just never take going to the finals for
granted because people people don't understand it's hard to just
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get to the finals, let alone win the championship.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
And I'm like, man, I.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
Might not reach this shit again ever in my life.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
That's why it hurted me.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
And then having to sit out Game seven and watch
us have a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter
and the Lakers walk the shit down to win the
championship and watch them celebrate on our home on their
home court, and us having to walk through the stadium
hear and all that shit, the bus ride going to
the plane and shit decorated with La gilt. But I'm
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gonna tell you something. Kobe was six for twenty four
of that game. But this is how bad he wanted.
Every team that won that won the game in that
series won the rebound in battle. Kobe had fifteen motherfucker
rebounds at the two guard position. So that goes to
that's another testimony to his greatness because people always think
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everybody want to talk about the scoring.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
But like he was off, but he said, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
What, he would do whatever he will do whatever it
takes to win.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
He had he had.
Speaker 10 (30:37):
Eight offensive rebounds that led to him going to the
free throw line like that. That's like, motherfucker wanted that shit, man.
And like today man says, we're thinking back on it
and when we lost our brother. I ain't even just
saying this because you know it's a front. This is
how I feel when people ask me about that twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Now I'm at ease with it.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I'm like, you know what shit I see I Kobe
could have that motherfucker.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Man, I'm glad he took.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
When you reflect on Kobe and his memory with what
stands out.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Man, his realness, his realness. Man, he was misunderstood. Man. People.
Speaker 25 (31:18):
I asked him one time, Matt, like I asked him.
I said, man, why he's such an asshole. I asked
him that. He said, you really want to know you
know how he was and he said to me, he said, Phil, Man,
some of my teammates don't understand the work. He said, so,
I see dudes walk into practice ten minutes before practice
and they leave right after. Why the fuck am I
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going to pass them to basketball? I don't respect the
work ethic. I'm in here busting my ass every day
trying to perfect my craft, and these dudes, these dudes
don't want to work on the game. I don't trust them,
so I'm not gonna pass them the basketball. I'm gonna
ride him hard every day. Made perfect sense when he
really broke it down as to why he is the
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way he is with certain dudes, I was just like, man,
I respect that, bro, I respect that, but his realness
in the sense of, you know, he told me. He
was like, look, man, you have a you have an
ability to connect with people. Don't do not concern yourself
with what people think about you. And he told me that, man,
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and just and that sunk in. It sunk in. He said, look,
you have to move the way you move to make
sure you do your job, make sure you professional. Make
sure you study the game, but don't be concerned with
people think about you. And that stuck with me ever
since since I've been in this league. He was a
pro with that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I laughed when you said the five forty five thing
because I automatically knew five forty five in the morning
because I used to have to go out to Orange
County and what time you want me to meet you
at the track? Five fifteen. I'm like, nigga's still dark
and you're talking about moment I got run. We got
to run, then we gotta hit the gym. We hit
the gym and lift so hard I felt like I
couldn't lift my arms up, and then we got to
go shoot for like two hours at like the work.
Speaker 25 (33:00):
You've experienced it, Matt, I ran through you. You experienced
people don't. People don't really understand like what that was
about with him.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, he respected you. He fucked with you if they
like I said, he had had me come out there,
we go work out and we go have breakfast and everything.
And like I said, I know he didn't let too
many people do that.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
To be able to get that side of him was dope.
And it's funny because I asked him the same questions,
like why don't you ever show I didn't say be
an asshole, like wyonn't you show the world how dope
you are and how you are with us? He looked
at me and he said, I can't let the motherfucker
see that. I say that for Kobe.
Speaker 26 (33:34):
I say, Kobe was one of still one of the
hardest guys I've ever had to car late.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
In his career, no question, because question remember.
Speaker 26 (33:42):
When I played him, he shot the ball about forty
damn times. But it was amazing just to see like
his craft at the same time, like he still had
he still had the footwork.
Speaker 14 (33:56):
It's plum work.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Look look how many points she scored his last game.
I mean, that's that's that's the hell lot right there.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
He had a ratchet.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I tell you alone, m That's that's why I tell
people they ask me who the hardest for me to
guard was him, because like you said, it was the
foot work, it was the skill work he had. And
then you knowing that when he takes that one or
two dribbles to the baseline, right, he's gonna shot fake you,
But you still fucking jump because he'll shot fake you
seven times because he's not gonna pass, you know what
I mean, Like, if he gets in that move, he'll
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shot fake you until you jump and fallom. And it
was just like, god, damn cold. That shit is crazy, bro,
you know it's crazy.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Have you y'all heard him? Y'all heard him? Heard him
hiss before?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, when he needs the Yeah, that's that's when you
have to the ball. So crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
So it's my first game playing against him.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
He's on the wing.
Speaker 14 (34:50):
I think I want to say Sasha had the ball
all of a sudden, All of a sudden, he says.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
That's it, that's him, that's cold, And all of a
sudden the ball was in his hand.
Speaker 14 (35:03):
I said, oh my god, that's all you gotta do
to get the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yo, It don't matter how loud the arena is.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Mama, noise, noise.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I'm trying to tell you, it don't matter how loud
the arena is. You gonna hear that motherfucking hissing. The
ball better be in his hands than like the next
three to five seconds. And if you haven't, hey, if
you have the nerve to if you have the nerve
to shoot, and miss with after he hisses, go back
on film and just watch Code's face. If that motherfucker
hisses and you take a shot and miss, he might
look at you crazy if you make that bitch, But
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if you miss that motherfucker if looks at Killboy, you
be struck dead on the court that he used to
crack me up man.
Speaker 27 (35:41):
As far as cod go man, he was super cool.
I enjoyed competing with him and just just being around him.
You know what I'm saying. It's just a different energy
when you're around him and you want to flow with him.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I said, I mean I got a chance to,
like you, play with Ai, play with Chris Paul. Super
competitive dudes, but to me, there's no one more competit.
Speaker 27 (36:00):
Yeah see, I didn't. I wish you get that. We
didn't get We didn't. We didn't get that part of
the experience. Like every once in a while, yeah did
he would say some ship did. The whole room was
like like, we had a fun He's gonna be mad
at you for this, but look we had a blowout.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
We got blue out uh.
Speaker 27 (36:18):
At Portland and he came in the locker room and
he was like, from now on out. Every time down
the court, I touched the ball. Y'all gonna learn what
it's like to play with Kobe Bean fucking Bright, and
I'm looking like this mother serious. But so Nick Young
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played for lass. We go, we showered ship, we come back.
Nick walk in the locker room to y'all better throw
that mother fuck the ball and it's.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Gonna be some ship around here.
Speaker 27 (36:47):
So like, Nick never took anything serious though, but we
just got the ship kicked out of us, and Code
wasn't going for it, you know what I'm saying. And
so I just think mentally, like he meant that ship,
you know what I'm saying. I just think it at
point's body just didn't give him what he wanted.
Speaker 28 (37:03):
When I got to play with Kobe for you know,
a few you know, we didn't get to we both
got hurt. But having to share in the locker room
with him at the end of our career, it was
an eye opener in a sense because you forget, we
got drafted together. We played against each other our whole careers.
You know, you I thought of him as a competitor.
I thought as the competition, you know, predominantly, So when
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I came to the Lakers, and you could see the
like the worship that young players had for him. You know,
it was an eye opener because I never had that
perspective of him. But that's exactly how I was with Jordan,
if you know what I mean, Like when I came
in the league. So I'd been there, you know, i'd
been there, I'd done what they were doing to Kobe.
How exciting it was to play with Kobe. I'd done
having a chance to play against Jordan, you know. And
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and so to get more from from Mike. He doesn't
owe anybody anything but to get more of him, for
him to you know, to make the speech at Kobe's service,
for him to do the film, for him to you know,
just be a little bit more opening. He's probably, like
you said, relaxed. You know, it's amazing for us. You know,
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it's it's a different time, right, Like this might be it.
We may not get nothing anything else out of him,
but that's why this is so special, and we just
got to like we just got to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Best Kobe memory on or off the court.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Yeah, so I got a I got a good Kobe story.
So my rookie year, we're playing here in Staples Center,
and Michale tells us before like look, you're like, he
pulls me aside, like you're gonna see crazy people. You're
gonna see celebrities there like lock In and Kobe. He's
gonna try and bust your ass, like he's going to
be like offended. You're guarding him.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Absolutely, I'm like cool, Like I love it.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I'm flattering to guard him. So I go there first.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
So I'm just looking at the court side. My head's
on a swivel. Just I've never seen this before, right,
I'm like, God, damn, this is great.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
All of them is there and this.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Chicks there, I'm like wow.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
So I'm already distracted, and of course I'm starting on
Kobe and Jordan Hill that year had got traded from
Houston to La so I had known him as a
little side note. And fourth quarter comes around and Kobe
looks at me and he's like, are you guys staying
the night tonight? And I'm like, I'm like looking at mcale,
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make sure he's not looking at me for and I'm like, yeah,
like what up, Like I'm like, oh, he's doing it
like he's mister Mia Gamy right now, it's like he's
doing I'm like, yeah, what's up, we're staying. He goes,
I'll set you up like I'll get your number from
Jade Hill and like if you want to go out tonight.
I'm like stop, Like you're like I know what you're doing,
Like come on. McHale's over there like Grilla me like
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stop talking to this motherfucker. So I go ends up.
He ends up just going off. He's like forty that
game we lose. After the game, you know, like right
there in La Live, we go to like Katsuya and
we're with all the ogs, right, We're with like Camby
down and they're all taking me out. I get a
text and he goes, you're all set at supper club
dash Mamba and I'm like I'm like I'm like looking around,
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like all right, who's fucking with me? Like no, no way?
And I'm like, Courney Lee is my guy? Right, I'm
like showing him like is this real? Like you guys
number like and I write them back. I'm like okay,
like like are you like I said, sound like are
you comment? He's like no, I can't make it, but
my guy will hit you up. Got next text? Hey,
you're set up. Let me know what you need, a
supper club whatever. So at this point I'm telling the table,
I'm like, guys.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I got you.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Like he's my guy.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
He set it up.
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Let's go, JB. Your staff is there, like I'm bringing coaches,
I'm bringing trainers. This is I got it, and we
have a blast. Right, we have the craziest night ever.
Supper club was the Tit was the club where the
tables were beds.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
I was like it was nuts and two am rolls
around and granted, I'm with these guys that made hundreds
of millions dollars and this waitress Bee lines right to
me with the check and I'm like, oh shit. And
my dad's my financial advisor at the time. He would
be on my ass if I like value size, combo
meal Chick fil A, and he's bringing me. She's bringing
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me this bill for god knows how much, and I'm like,
oh man, I open it and it's like twenty two
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And now at this point, I'm like I'm sick.
Speaker 29 (41:12):
I'm physically like no, no, like I can't do this
because car's gonna bounce and I'll never forget this chick
looks at me, hands me a pen and says, sign
for mister Bryant.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
And I'm like what, I'm like, video the whole thing.
I'm like, I'm like, signing Kobe brought. I sign Kobe
Bryant on a twenty two thousand dollars club bill and everyone,
by the way, they say he's tough, he's gonna go
at you. I'm like, this dude was cool as fuck.
He was he was awesome. It was a crazy, crazy time.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
See I got a picture of it.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
I still got his number.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I'm like, I love the way the story went though,
because I thought because Kobe wasn't asked too, he would
have been nucky with the bill and from the weekend before,
I was like, oh, he flipped on you. That's our guy.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
That's a dope, best story.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Nothing but love for him.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's probably my favorite Kobe story.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 30 (42:10):
Look with Kobe, like like with Lebron, Like when I
got it Lebron back then, my attitude was I'm not
gonna crash the offensive class and we shoot, I'm gonna
find him. I'm not gonna let him get out in
the full head of steam. So I'm not gonna let
him turn the corner and go right and get to
the rim. I'm gonna make him make contested jump shots.
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And I'm not gonna foul if he posts me up.
Don't help because he beat you with his passing as much.
He's so like, you know, he had a game plan
and I actually did, Okay, I mean Lebron would have moments,
but like you know, I didn't have a strategy for
I didn't know what to do, and so sometimes man
like I would just he go up a shot, I'll
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just hit his arm, like, just hit his arm and
just like you know. And the problem too is I
couldn't go back at him because that my role. You know,
in Phoenix, Nash had the ball in his hand. So
I'm stuck in the corner and I'm not you know,
I'm not a spot up shooter. So he was hard
to defend. But in that moment, man like I a
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couple of times I guess right, like, I'm like, like
he's gonna go right, he's gonna shot fake, I'm not
I know what he's gonna do, and I'm like and
then you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
How hard it is saying this, and when you usually
square it off against him, you're saying that in your
head as yours.
Speaker 30 (43:25):
I knew he wanted to go right, and I knew
he had a great ball fake, and I've seen him
do it before. And so he at one shot right
in front of our bench. We tapped Alvin on them,
and so he hit a touch shot on me before that,
and I tried to deny him the ball, but he
gets it, he goes right.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
I go with him.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
He shot faced.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I don't go for it.
Speaker 30 (43:47):
I actually I get closer into him. I go up
when he goes up. You know how hard it is
to do a shot fake reload from three and somebody
in your grind. And I couldn't be any closer to
him without fouling man, this dude, Like I was like,
I mean, I was actually proud of the defense I played,
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Like I'm thinking I could have done anything other than
just prevent him fro getting the ball. But he was
the best player I played against. And I say this
respectfully with George, I didn't guard Jordan Pippen and I
matched up, But the best player that I played against,
hands down, was Kobe.
Speaker 31 (44:27):
Kobe throughout his career, which just he would have he
would either shoot me a text. And it's funny because
having Kobe number in your phone and not abusing it
was like you had to ask some real restraints because
I had so many like niggas Kobe, like wanted to
talk to Kobe every day, you know what I'm saying,
even if even if, like you know, you had obviously
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different mothers and fathers, like you still felt like he
was a brother, you know what I'm saying, because anytime
he talks to him, he always had some game. And
one thing that Kobe asked me, he was like, Yo,
when you're gonna like get on your business and step
upon you know what I'm saying. From the from the streets,
and I was just like never he was like ah
see see and just you know, he'd be like all right,
I get with you. But one thing about Kobe in
the documentary, every time I seen him, every time we talk,
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he would just always tell me how much that album
meant to him. But even more so than the documentary,
it was the doctor's advocate for him. The doctor's advocate
was the one. You know what I'm saying, He was
just like yo, like one blood and like I work
out every day. Every morning, I'm up and I throw
this on. And every time I came to the Staples
Center to see Kobe, like he if he saw me,
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I don't know. I ain't never seen a nigga with
a phone in.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
His short it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 31 (45:38):
It would start running, man, And so like I still
feel indebted to Kobe just for his contribution to the city,
for him never wavering from you know, like playing for
the Lakers, never being traded, never abandoned the ship, like
just taking it in the last game.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Oh my god, I said that. Yo.
Speaker 31 (45:56):
I watched it. I watched the niggas double team. It
wasn't easy. I watched him get sixty on the way out.
And it's like that, like when we talk about Kobe,
I mean, under these glasses, if I say to say
his name too much, I'm gonna start crying. All though,
because it's like you would never I would. You would
have never thought in a million years that Kobe would
meet an untimely Demid.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
It's a superhero.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah. So the end of twenty nineteen, you unfortunately lost
your mother. The beginning of twenty twenty, you lost some
another mentor to you, David Stern, and then we all
lost Kobe the end of that January talk to us
just about where you were as a person outside of business.
But obviously business had to continue. But as a person,
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that's a lot for anyone to handle. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 16 (46:47):
And I'm glad the way you said that we all
lost Kobe, because when people would say to me and
express their condolences, I would correct them and say, hey,
the world lost somebody really special. And just him as
a friend and as a motivator and watching him as
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a father and a husband. You know, he just he
was a leader and you know he's irreplaceable. And the
knowledge that he shared with people, I had no idea
until after he passed it. I mean I knew he
helped basketball players, but every he helped everybody, people in
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every kind of sport, and even me when I think
back to you know, he after my father passed away
in twenty thirteen, he invited me to have lunch and
I you know, I met him down in Orange County
and he brought Gianna with him and he said, I
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hope it's okay with you. I brought Gianna because I
want her to see a really powerful woman and I
realized later that really what he was doing was motivating
me absolutely, And he's just he was, you know, somebody
that I valued and will continue to value. And I
hope that what he stood for, and you know, the
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lessons that he taught people like me, I will continue
to pass on to other people, and I think his
legend will continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, we had an opportunity one of his last, if
not his last interviews. We went out there and interviewed him,
and before we even got to the interview, he brought
me and Jack into his office and he was just
so adamant on putting the first twenty years of his
greatness to bed and being that next but what's my
next act? The businessman, the father, the you know everything
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else he was involved in. But it was amazing to
me just all the other things he was into. And
he was, you know, at the time, finishing his I
think his second or third children's novel, and he had
signed some books for me and the boys, and you know,
we asked him how he got into it and just
the detail he would give us in the getting a
chance to play with them, the veracity he the approach
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he took, the basketball, he took that same approach to business,
you know, and it was scary because he was such
a competitor on the court, but he was even more
competitive off the court, because it's like, Okay, the Kobe
I was in the past doesn't mean shit now, Like
I got to kind of reinvent myself and and and
move forward. And that really just touched me. But you know,
obviously we lost, we all lost something very special.
What up y'all. As you guys probably know, Stack and
I are on summer break right now, taking a little
time with the family. But we back to All the
Smoke soon. But to on our brother Kobe and his
birthday coming up, we put together a special mashup our
long video of Kobe stories from our prior guests, from
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Klay Thompson to Shack to Jeanie Buss, Carmelo Anthony. The
list goes on the effect that Kobe had on their lives,
on our lives, on your lives. So we hope you
guys enjoyed the video. Happy birthday to our brother and
we'll see you guys in a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Happy birthday, Kobe Bean Brian. Hey, we miss you, Bro
from morning until we join you. Say me and Matt
Ben spend a little time with our family, take a break.
We'll be right back at youall with most great content.
All the Smoke, Showtime Basketball Today. Tribute to my brother
Kobe Bean Brian All I guess loved him, had great stories,
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wanted to give him his flowers. So we're gonna get
it to y'all today. Our long video of just giving
our brother his love. Happy Birthday being Brian Showtime Basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I remember Cole's first day on our AAU team. So
I played AAU and Patterson with Tim Thomas and kill
our squad.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
We were playing I remember playing it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, we were playing against Elton Brand and those and
Coles comes to the squad and the first couple of
games he wasn't starting coming in doing these things still,
and then big Bean Pops came up like, hey, hey,
it's cold.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's my young fella. He deserves to be out there.
He's just as good as whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So I remember Cole's first game playing the point, coming down,
gets the half court boom, pull up, she's a hairball.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We're like, bro, what's up?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Step in a little bit, you know, right, come down
to the sept poom boom one two at half court
next time. All net like his confidence. He's like, bro,
I can hit that. That's just nothing. That's my you know.
It was just that mentality at that age earlier, on
his first second game playing with this team, it wouldn't like,
let me fit in Tim Thomas' Tim Thomas's number one
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in his class.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm top five. He like, bro, I'm below.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Hey, rip.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
I used to tell people about the McDonald's game. Like
when he was there, he had a certain aura and
a certain presence about him that we all knew he
was gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Like I tell a story, like everybody has pictures were
like group pictures together, but everybody was taking one on
one pictures with Kobe game.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Because we all knew.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Everybody knew, bro, don't I got pictures with everybody, but
Kvie is the only person I got a one on one.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Picture with in high school.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
We knew then that this dude was different, Bro, Yo,
he was. He was for real, man stank he was.
I mean, like we used to because we were roommates too,
Like so.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
All the au events we were roommates and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (03:24):
And I remember when he was talking about on your show,
like he had to kill this, right, And it's funny
because you know, we were in roommates and it was
many times at night that this dude just didn't want
to go to sleep, you just wanted to talk basketball, right.
And we were about to play Tim Thomas and a
Charlie Webber tournament in Maryland, and Tim Thomas was the
number one player in the country at the time, and
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Cole was just in a room all night, like one
o'clock in the morning, just pacing around my bed like, yo, rip,
you know tomorrow I'm gonna kill this dude.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
And I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Tim Thomas, Like, first of all, we don't even play
the same position as him, right, But but Tim played
on the wing at that time too. Like he was
surreal at that time, right because he was a six ' nine,
can handle the ball, can play inside outside.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He was like, Man, I'm gonna kill this dude.
Speaker 9 (04:13):
Man.
Speaker 8 (04:13):
He was like after after tomorrow, it ain't gonna be
no doubt in anybody's mind who the number one player
in America is, Like they saying I ain't.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The number one player.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
Watch watch after the Morrow night, I'm like, bro, go
to sleep, man.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We played them early in the morning.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
Man, I like, let's talk about this pregame, but like tonight,
let's go to bed. So from a mentality standpoint, man, dude,
dude was different.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Man.
Speaker 7 (04:38):
He was definitely one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
How did he do in the game?
Speaker 8 (04:41):
Was after the game, Bro, Matt, After that game, you
can pull up every tabloid or every little Skelt report,
and every last one of them had Kobe Bryant as
the number one.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 10 (04:57):
He came out.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
He might have had close to fifth, right, I remember that. Yeah,
And we won, and we won.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You guys came in pretty much the same time in
similar starts to where it took you a couple of
years to get your to really get on the court,
It took Cod a couple of years to get on
the court. But like you guys said, you guys were
both Adidas guys, both young and out of place and
really had to lean on each other. Talk to me
more about your guys relationship.
Speaker 11 (05:21):
So because we were, you know, both Adidas guys and
both made the jump from high school to the pros,
there was an opportunity for me to go out there
and just be around Cod in La. And I went
out to La. I stayed with him in the house
with him and his parents. Mom used to fire out that,
you know, fried chicken for us and macarodi and cheese.
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I was eating good at that boy house. Man he
had he had chores and everything.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
But yeah and up pale.
Speaker 11 (05:50):
Yeah, he was out there, absolutely, But to be around
cold at nineteen years old, bro, you would have thought
Cod had been here before and been around you know
the greats of the game. Because his mindset was so
different Bro than I ever experienced. I ever seen anybody
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at nineteen years old like this man really and truly
thought he was better than Michael Jordan, was gonna be.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Better than Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Thank you tea man.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (06:21):
And at the time, I'm looking at my dog, I'm like, Bro,
you crazy as hell. Bro for anybody's even think that
as a team, And I'm like, Bro, something, I don't
want you fair like you crazy. So we used to
watch his home his Homegrowl movies, Come Fly with Me, Playground.
I used to watch that religiously. Bro, Paul's it and
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might do something Paul rewind mimic it. I was like dog,
he was obsessed with this shit karate flicks.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean, man, he was different.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Bro.
Speaker 11 (06:54):
Going to school, I was like, Bro and his work, ethic,
just everything just bro off on me. And how he
handled himself. Man, Partying wasn't his thing. He wasn't to
hang out. Now, Oh you want you going to the club, Shit,
I'm gonna go to the gym. Put up these shots
like That's what he was about. He was just he
was different. I learned from him, and you know, he
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struggled his first year. It was Spad the Lakers. The
players used to mess with Coche so bad his first year. Man,
he hated it, bro And because he took those steps,
he went through that fire. I came after. I was
able to lean on him times where I felt like
I made a mistake of coming out of high school.
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So I leaned on him all the time, man, and
our relationship started to do like this because he was
concentrated on trying to win championships and he sacrificed everything,
like he cut everybody off to win championship and be
great as he possibly can be.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And I was over here trying to win scoring titles.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
I knew that he had it. I remember him at
eighteen years old telling me he's gonna be the Will
Smith of the NBA. Like slow down, young fella. But
he had a dream. He had a vision, you got, Jiggie.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, he did.
Speaker 12 (08:13):
He had a dream. He had a vision, and look
he went for him.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Being forty nine year old. Check looking back on those
Laker days, he said, you won three out of four.
He said, you probably cause for some of the ego
if you had the wisdom you have now back then,
how many championships you feel like you guys could have
watched seventh.
Speaker 12 (08:31):
Because the reason why I got traded it wasn't about
me and Kobe Beef is what they wanted me to
take less money not doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Cole said at least ten. We asked him, he said
at least ten? Yeah, said seven and ten for the Spurs. No,
that's true, but I got money. I had money.
Speaker 12 (08:52):
I just should have been like, all right, I raise
you enough, it's your team now, I know what I'm
gonna do. I'm still gonna do my twenty eight ten
all right. But I was like, nah, I want, I want,
I don't care what you like. If I had all
over do again, I probably would have had a meeting
with the family.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
What's y'all want to do?
Speaker 12 (09:12):
Want me take less money, take a less role, stay here,
or you were still wanting to be shocked? He's that
ego and the egos still got me what I want.
I still went to Miami and Pat carried me. I
still won one, but I would have liked to have
stayed there the rest of my career.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Speaking of Kobe, you got a chance to play with him,
at the beginning of his career, at the end of
your career. And we had we had talked about this
when we had sat down at the crib. Tell tell
us some of the stuff that went on, because you
caught a young Kobe and you guys are in the
same position, right.
Speaker 13 (09:46):
So my third year was his first A Jones was
starting off, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
At the time. Yeah, he was an All Star.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
He was an All Star or whatever, fake all Star,
but he was an All Star, right, and then Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
I just I remember Kobe, a young lion.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You were just like, you know how young lions hunt,
you know what I mean, And like, man.
Speaker 13 (10:04):
I can get out there and get me a kill,
you know what I mean, Just put me in a game, coach.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He was over there home.
Speaker 13 (10:10):
Oh, he was over there hungry. I just seen it
in his eyes. Right, So when he got a gang, right,
and I used to kill Addie Jones. I used to
really really serve that guy. So Kobe Coby real talk,
you know, I mean the silver food one time two
in any Wood.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I didn't want to, wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
It wasn't even no smoke. I can just said, what's up.
But that's the whole other stuff.
Speaker 13 (10:30):
Right, But so Cobe on the bench way, you know
what I mean, Kobe on the bench waiting ready to go.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
When he got the game, he was real.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He was real.
Speaker 14 (10:39):
I'm just gonna say a while, right.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He was kind of wild.
Speaker 13 (10:43):
But I remember calling my brothers at home, like, man,
I just played against the raw as young eighteen year
old that's probably out there.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I mean, I ain't never played against a young boy that.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Got it like this.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So I'm twenty four to.
Speaker 13 (10:53):
Twenty five big boy, you know what I mean, twenty
four to twenty five playing big.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
You know Jean benjer On all that was he doing.
Speaker 13 (11:01):
But I was I was a grown man, so on
my mind, no young joy was going you know, I
wasn't going for that, you know what I mean, from
taking to the painting room, blow the blow up, whatever
we're gonna do.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I wasn't going for that.
Speaker 13 (11:11):
But I've seen the greatness any young right then what
I call home, I'm like, man, this young boys gonna
be nice.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Fast forward to h three years light on me.
Speaker 13 (11:20):
Watch him go to work and I'm doing my thing,
and then they traded and put him in a game.
So his I guess four for you because when he
really got on right or something like that, I think
Eddie was gonna he got in the game and he
never looked back, right, He never looked back.
Speaker 15 (11:37):
But y'all don't know, is that Kobe Bryant rest in
peace to my dog. He took another level of being
a defensive standpoint because Gary Payton after practice after practice,
all star practice, poured us to the side because Cole
dashed him something. They pulled both of us to the side,
said let me tell y'all something. Look when you're playing defense,
and then he went through a thirty minute joint where
both of us with defense and keeping us between the
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leg and reaching and how to reach and when you
reach up and just little.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Tricks of the trade.
Speaker 15 (12:04):
That next time I saw cold after the break he
was using. It became first team that year. First time
I seen him, said he used that shit. GPHO saw it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
He saw it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I got his ass, he saw it, Yo, Yeah, I
saw it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
This yash nigga, I saw that shit.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I said, I caught that shit.
Speaker 15 (12:19):
Didn't think I saw that, but I knew that only
the three of us was part of that.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
So I was like, you you got to you saw shit.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I thought it was gonna callifight. He ain't caught that shit.
Speaker 15 (12:28):
Wow, Because GP taught us when you rip somebody to
go through that chest versus using your hand. You see
this right, He told us to take a step and
come through your chest and come and then round out.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
There's no way you can protect the ball.
Speaker 15 (12:38):
You can't cross it back once you get in there,
once I'm in your cab, you can't cross it up.
You would either have to turn your back. Oh man,
I saw cold take that first night after the break.
I saw it. You know, we want no texting, none
of that back then. But when I first saw him,
I shot there and stayed it right here. When I
saw him, he knew exactly what I was talking about.
Shout out to GP for that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Ye tell us about any personal stories you may have
have a Cob or maybe one of your favorite memories
of Kobe.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Well, you know, Matt, I had the pleasure of mentoring
him for one year when he was in trouble with
the different case and stuff.
Speaker 16 (13:09):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
It was really an enjoyful time for me to mentor him.
I became a big brother to him. Kobe was just
a little different. He didn't have no he didn't have
no ego, but I'm not as a meaning he did
have egle, but I'm saying an ego and asking ogs
what to do and well and how to become better.
And when he came to approach me at the All
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Star Game and asked him how to become how to
get make first team All Defense, and I sat there
at the.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Center court and taught him.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
A lot of things, and he made the first team
All Defense with me that year. I said, this young
kid has a lot of different a lot of different
things in him. He's got a lot of different mentality.
And he kept asking me stuff every time he played me,
and I posted him up and I got it. He
would always come over to me and sneak it in
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my ear. Oh g man, why you keep killing me
on these post ups? Man?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
You got to teach me that what should I do?
Speaker 8 (14:09):
And that was just a big thing for me to
hear that and to respect that. And I couldn't do
nothing but respecting and teach him the game because I
know I'm a lot older than him, and I was
gonna be leaving the game soon, and I want to
see somebody in that game that imitates the things that
I do.
Speaker 14 (14:25):
And can be dominated at it.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
And this kid was one of them guys, and I
taught him everything that I needed to tell you. We
used to stay after practice in LA and he used
to see I used to teach him the post up game.
Then he used to fade away. He took it all.
He'll face you up and go at you. And it
was things that he did like that. And we used
to do drills about defense. I used to get him
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and I used to throw a tennis ball back and
forth and he used to catch with one hand, catch
with one hand and slide I learned, and he got
so good at it where he used to guard all
the top guys. And that's what I started telling him.
Stopped straying away from all the top guys. And they
if the top guy on the team is here, you
guarded guard him all night and then you take his
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heart from him and then you go down.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And kill him on the other end. And that's what
he started doing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
What memories were you take from the two thousand finals
experience against the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Shock of Monster.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I mean you't have to go to the finals and
know that though, I mean, man, but it was different then.
Speaker 17 (15:28):
It was different then because in Orlando it was like
the younger, more athletic shock and then like later in
his career, people got to see like the powerful, like
right in front of the rim shock, but like two thousand,
like he.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Was playing d on pick and rolls still.
Speaker 17 (15:46):
Like blocking shots, like he was blocking shots. He started
getting exactly and he was like will to gives us?
He was like forty twenty and he's making his free throws.
But another great thing, man, is Kobe's coming off party.
We hit us with to get down and laid down.
That was dope because he was arguing with their bench.
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Like I used to hear Phil yelling at Kobe, pass the.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Ball, move the ball, get off of it. We're like, yeah, yeah,
get off of it.
Speaker 17 (16:26):
I don't know what game he watched it right, and
Shaq fouled out.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Hey, man, Cole.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I love Cole so much.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He went to work on us.
Speaker 17 (16:37):
And then he hit that jumper at the top of
the kid and he did this that wasn't even to us,
That was to his team because they didn't even believe it.
He was looking at looking at oh No. When Cole
first got drafted to the probably shouldn't say I'm just
trying not to say too much of what I know,
but like Cole was presented by his own teammate, his
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own teammates, Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 14 (17:01):
They was hating on him.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm like, why y'all.
Speaker 14 (17:04):
Gonna hate on him because he was that confident? But
he ain't.
Speaker 17 (17:07):
He ain't even like go out, he ain't dream.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
He was over at UCLA with us, we was in college.
He was a Laker on on campus, chilling.
Speaker 17 (17:15):
I worked out with him that one summer, and you know,
Rob ended up being his agent. I was with them
and Covid and I, you know, young for that, We're
gonna go after the work. I'm gonna go get a massage,
you know what I'm saying. Went to the little spot,
little burk Spy in Santa Monica or whatever. I went
and got it in. I'm in LA, got my little
spot in Santa Monica getting it in. He went back
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to the gym, and I ain't even realized he was
doing it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He was going back.
Speaker 17 (17:43):
To the gym, and so like for him to me
to watch him from like ninety six when he got
drafted and wasn't even appreciated by his own teammates to
like being in that moment where Shaq was ended up
being like the first forty six minutes of the game
and he ended up being the last two. And that's
why I started calling him like the remix of MJ.
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Because to me, he looked like MJ. You sound like MJ.
Move like MJ.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
You the next best thing.
Speaker 18 (18:13):
Shock fouled out, so like everybody kind of paniccked. So
they thought, like, Okay, shock foult out. We got to
move the ball, we gotta get everybody involved, we gotta
play a different style of basketball. And so I think
Covid missed like three shots in a row. He like
took a couple of bad shots whatever, and he missed
three shots in a row. So guys like, man, you
got to move the ball. And Field was on him
a little bit in the time out, and he came out.
I think he might have scored like twelve straight or something,
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and then he hit that big shot and he was
like relaxed.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Like I got this. And after that, after that.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Series, then that's when he it was over.
Speaker 14 (18:43):
It was over relaxed, I got it.
Speaker 18 (18:46):
So you know, the reporter asked Kobe, He's like, you know,
your teammates say you don't trust him, you don't, he said,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
He said, well, I.
Speaker 18 (18:53):
Feel like I got a better chance of making a
shot out of two people than the guy's wide open.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Serious?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
You know? So you know I love him.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Talk to us about your relationship with Cob and what
it was like going to war with him over all
these years.
Speaker 19 (19:16):
I didn't have a personal relationship with him.
Speaker 20 (19:20):
But you know how killers respect killers.
Speaker 19 (19:24):
You know what I mean? And that's and that's what
it was. He knew who I was, I know who
he is. He gave me that push. I gave it
to him. I love the stories that people give me
that were teammates, that were friends.
Speaker 20 (19:38):
I love the stories.
Speaker 19 (19:38):
I wouldn't say it bothered me, but I wish I
could have had a better relationship with him. As far
as how great other people said he was, I want
that energy around me. He was just Yeah, he was
the ultimate. He was the ultimate competitive The man like.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You lucky out of that six sakes six six. That's
what he always That's what that man said, you lucky.
Speaker 19 (20:08):
When I heard that, it made me feel so good
because the respect that.
Speaker 20 (20:14):
That he gave me. It was like, you know, just
like Max.
Speaker 19 (20:18):
You know, I watched First Take, and you know, I
listened to Steven Max go at it. A lot of
people don't rock with Max, but I love Max because Max,
I like Max, always take up for.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Me, don't I don't like the other guy, your homeboy.
Speaker 19 (20:35):
Okay, yeah, let's get back on track.
Speaker 20 (20:41):
I would go all the way off, all right.
Speaker 19 (20:44):
But he said something like, if Kobe and somebody had
a baby, you know, it'll be me, you know whatever.
And you know, just for people to put me in
the same sentence with Cole, just just make me feel
good about my grind, my mom, my family, my teammates, y'all,
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my homeboys.
Speaker 20 (21:09):
Just it's a it's a tribute to y'all. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 19 (21:12):
For a motherfucker to put me in the same category
as Kobe Bryant, Like, that's so dope to me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Is this story true? Our m uh story that I
heard that you landed in LA and Kobe picked you
up and he lack rain rope. Yeah, he picked you
up because he he wanted he just wanted to chop
it up with you. And after y'all go out to
eat or whatever you decide to go out. He tell
your ass, I'm dropping you off to the hotel.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
This is my stop. I'm gonna work out. I'm going
to the gym. Is that true story?
Speaker 19 (21:42):
We he took me out to eat and I said,
what you getting ready to do? I'm going to the club.
And he said, I'm going to the gym. And that
was him, That was that was th th That's that's
that's what made I mean that greatness. That's that where
that greatness came from because his work atic six.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Second and h was just But I guarantee you it's
probably a handful of people on the other team that
he was playing and he did that that he can't
because you know, Kobe, he ain't talking to nobody through
the game, damn sure, not about another team. So I'm
just saying that sort of respect he had you, He
ain't gonna pick up.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Nobody to break that down.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Hell nah, hell no, studying you the whole time, Yeah,
studying what he was what she was saying, no bullshit,
That's how he was. He was a he was a
sick o when it came to that kind of ship,
like trying to find any kind of advantage or angle
he could possibly get. I'm sure you've seen it right away.
You got a chance play with him. I came and
play with you guys. What it was like just being
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with him and seeing him.
Speaker 21 (22:44):
Now, yeah, I mean what it was. His whole ship
is different. I'll be hearing dude say his name like
he ain't really he was trying to be perfect on
the court all the time, even doing his like his
little shooting routine or whatever. You know what I'm saying.
Even if his footwork, even if he's getting shot, he's
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doing it in a certain way where he's just trying
to be trying to get better at it. You know,
his work effict in the morning, man, he was like
he was a thug at ten in the morning. He
was going he was just banging on breathlets man, yea
for real, like my man, constant, take it easy up
at it. There was no such thing though. It was
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all full steam ahead. Phil Jackson comes in six. What's
that experience? Like, I'm sure you never had nobody like him.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
You know, I mean that that changed.
Speaker 21 (23:38):
I think just probably the way I looked at the game,
you know, really not from the from the physical aspect
from the mental aspect, the mental approach. I mean, you know,
we used to meditate together, and so if you know
anything about meditation, that just like prayer in a sense.
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So really we like we all praying together unreligiously. That's deep,
you know what I mean. So that's gonna build the
extra bond. Gives us books to read according to your
personality of who you are, how you want to affect
your life.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's crazy to have read enough books to be able
to have something for you.
Speaker 21 (24:30):
Understand people that much though, right question how driven was cold?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
And how did that? How did that rub off on you?
Speaker 21 (24:37):
I learned from this dude just by even just room,
just watching them.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Man. You know, he said he was better than Mike.
I know he did. He thought it. He thought it.
You could tell though he felt that way.
Speaker 22 (24:53):
I said, what, I'm walking through the airport and they
like Shaquille O'Neil come in to the Miami Heat. I
was like, damn, we about to be like dope leaving
the Miami Heat and my name they had a lebar Dave.
Speaker 23 (25:10):
I was like, oh shit, like that's how this worked.
Like I thought I was here forever. I just bought
a crib like I can't sell a crib. I just
bought it, like it was just like all that emotional attachment,
but that was just that was just a crazy experienced
one just to be a part of that whole process.
And then going to Los Angeles and I'll never forget
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Kobe signed a deal for one hundred and thirty plus
million dollars. I'm at the press conference and it's actually
a double press conference because they're introducing myself, Brian Grant
lamar Odom to the city of Los Angeles. And then
Kobe signed in this deal and I'll never forget, like
looking at that money. And then the first thing he
turned to the right said to me was get ready
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to fucking black out, Like get ready to work.
Speaker 22 (25:56):
Out, Like let's take that shit to another level. And
I'm talking about the blackout sessions. Was crazy. The reason
why I was an All Star player, the reason why
I'm in the coaching space is because my time that
I spent with Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
What was he like off the court? Basketball genius? All
he talked about was the game.
Speaker 22 (26:20):
I started watching film with him on every plane trip,
just analyzing like the rotations, the schemes, the double teams,
where they was coming from, how to manipulate the defense.
I learned the whole bunch from a Bean and also too,
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you know when you talk about life after basketball, he
gave me like a jewel that stuck with me.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
The roar of the crowd is not for you.
Speaker 22 (26:49):
It's for what you can do, and as soon as
you can do it, they be cheering for someone else.
So like, work on your second act. While you're in
the midst of your first.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
In Western Conference finals against Cold, you guys are right
there on the doorstep, think about that mess up.
Speaker 24 (27:06):
The greatest man I just that was. That was my
moment where me and Cole became Before that, we went
to the Olympics. Before that, we became very close, but
we became close on some like some disrespectful ship like Cold.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You know, you know Cold man, you're.
Speaker 24 (27:24):
Going at your neck saying, she to your elbowing you.
I had my braids back then too, so he.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Touched my head.
Speaker 14 (27:29):
I'm like, ya, don't.
Speaker 24 (27:32):
Don't touch my head, like you know what I'm saying,
I don't touch me no more.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Dog.
Speaker 24 (27:35):
And you know he's smirking, and you know he's doing
his little ship elbows and O nine came and it
was like, I mean, we hugged before the game.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
He was like, war, it's war. I said, it's war.
Speaker 24 (27:50):
Like, let's let's get it, like you ain't gonna be
nothing easy. And I just remember him. He always would
tell me, I guard you in the fourth because gonna
make no they ain't gonna call him hill me in
the fourth, and.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
I just usually try to.
Speaker 24 (28:03):
I used to try to beat him up though you
know I was bigger than him, so I used to
try to beat him up, be physical with him. He
come back elbow and me, I come back elbow on him.
He laughing talking about that's all you got, you know
what I'm saying. It was just pushing my button to see.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, I was gonna standing that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 24 (28:19):
And that's how like we grew man and we all
we became who we.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Are twenty ten.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Man, I remember that shit more than the year that
we wanted, because it was like I started five healthy.
We never lost the we never lost a playoff series,
and I felt like going into La, we was up,
We was up three three two, Game six in LA,
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felt like we had the right momentum going. Obviously they
get Andrew Bonum back, So now I'm playing Andrew Bonum
ticket planing Mark, I mean.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Paul Kasol, Yeah, Powell Kassau.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
So the motherfucker matchups is even we down there were
battling like a motherfucker we going at it. So now
I tell my motherfucking acl man, And it was the
worst thing of my life because I didn't think it
wasn't that I didn't feel like I wasn't gonna bounce back.
But you just never take going to the finals for
granted because people people don't understand it's hard to just
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get to the finals, let alone win the championship.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
And I'm like, man, I.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
Might not reach this shit again ever in my life.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
That's why it hurted me.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
And then having to sit out Game seven and watch
us have a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter
and the Lakers walk the shit down to win the
championship and watch them celebrate on our home on their
home court, and us having to walk through the stadium
hear and all that shit, the bus ride going to
the plane and shit decorated with La gilt. But I'm
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gonna tell you something. Kobe was six for twenty four
of that game. But this is how bad he wanted.
Every team that won that won the game in that
series won the rebound in battle. Kobe had fifteen motherfucker
rebounds at the two guard position. So that goes to
that's another testimony to his greatness because people always think
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everybody want to talk about the scoring.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
But like he was off, but he said, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
What, he would do whatever he will do whatever it
takes to win.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
He had he had.
Speaker 10 (30:37):
Eight offensive rebounds that led to him going to the
free throw line like that. That's like, motherfucker wanted that shit, man.
And like today man says, we're thinking back on it
and when we lost our brother. I ain't even just
saying this because you know it's a front. This is
how I feel when people ask me about that twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Now I'm at ease with it.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
I'm like, you know what shit I see I Kobe
could have that motherfucker.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Man, I'm glad he took.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
When you reflect on Kobe and his memory with what
stands out.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Man, his realness, his realness. Man, he was misunderstood. Man. People.
Speaker 25 (31:18):
I asked him one time, Matt, like I asked him.
I said, man, why he's such an asshole. I asked
him that. He said, you really want to know you
know how he was and he said to me, he said, Phil, Man,
some of my teammates don't understand the work. He said, so,
I see dudes walk into practice ten minutes before practice
and they leave right after. Why the fuck am I
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going to pass them to basketball? I don't respect the
work ethic. I'm in here busting my ass every day
trying to perfect my craft, and these dudes, these dudes
don't want to work on the game. I don't trust them,
so I'm not gonna pass them the basketball. I'm gonna
ride him hard every day. Made perfect sense when he
really broke it down as to why he is the
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way he is with certain dudes, I was just like, man,
I respect that, bro, I respect that, but his realness
in the sense of, you know, he told me. He
was like, look, man, you have a you have an
ability to connect with people. Don't do not concern yourself
with what people think about you. And he told me that, man,
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and just and that sunk in. It sunk in. He said, look,
you have to move the way you move to make
sure you do your job, make sure you professional. Make
sure you study the game, but don't be concerned with
people think about you. And that stuck with me ever
since since I've been in this league. He was a
pro with that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I laughed when you said the five forty five thing
because I automatically knew five forty five in the morning
because I used to have to go out to Orange
County and what time you want me to meet you
at the track? Five fifteen. I'm like, nigga's still dark
and you're talking about moment I got run. We got
to run, then we gotta hit the gym. We hit
the gym and lift so hard I felt like I
couldn't lift my arms up, and then we got to
go shoot for like two hours at like the work.
Speaker 25 (33:00):
You've experienced it, Matt, I ran through you. You experienced
people don't. People don't really understand like what that was
about with him.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, he respected you. He fucked with you if they
like I said, he had had me come out there,
we go work out and we go have breakfast and everything.
And like I said, I know he didn't let too
many people do that.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
To be able to get that side of him was dope.
And it's funny because I asked him the same questions,
like why don't you ever show I didn't say be
an asshole, like wyonn't you show the world how dope
you are and how you are with us? He looked
at me and he said, I can't let the motherfucker
see that. I say that for Kobe.
Speaker 26 (33:34):
I say, Kobe was one of still one of the
hardest guys I've ever had to car late.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
In his career, no question, because question remember.
Speaker 26 (33:42):
When I played him, he shot the ball about forty
damn times. But it was amazing just to see like
his craft at the same time, like he still had
he still had the footwork.
Speaker 14 (33:56):
It's plum work.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Look look how many points she scored his last game.
I mean, that's that's that's the hell lot right there.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
He had a ratchet.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I tell you alone, m That's that's why I tell
people they ask me who the hardest for me to
guard was him, because like you said, it was the
foot work, it was the skill work he had. And
then you knowing that when he takes that one or
two dribbles to the baseline, right, he's gonna shot fake you,
But you still fucking jump because he'll shot fake you
seven times because he's not gonna pass, you know what
I mean, Like, if he gets in that move, he'll
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shot fake you until you jump and fallom. And it
was just like, god, damn cold. That shit is crazy, bro,
you know it's crazy.
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Have you y'all heard him? Y'all heard him? Heard him
hiss before?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, when he needs the Yeah, that's that's when you
have to the ball. So crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (34:47):
So it's my first game playing against him.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
He's on the wing.
Speaker 14 (34:50):
I think I want to say Sasha had the ball
all of a sudden, All of a sudden, he says.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
That's it, that's him, that's cold, And all of a
sudden the ball was in his hand.
Speaker 14 (35:03):
I said, oh my god, that's all you gotta do
to get the ball.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yo, It don't matter how loud the arena is.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Mama, noise, noise.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I'm trying to tell you, it don't matter how loud
the arena is. You gonna hear that motherfucking hissing. The
ball better be in his hands than like the next
three to five seconds. And if you haven't, hey, if
you have the nerve to if you have the nerve
to shoot, and miss with after he hisses, go back
on film and just watch Code's face. If that motherfucker
hisses and you take a shot and miss, he might
look at you crazy if you make that bitch, But
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if you miss that motherfucker if looks at Killboy, you
be struck dead on the court that he used to
crack me up man.
Speaker 27 (35:41):
As far as cod go man, he was super cool.
I enjoyed competing with him and just just being around him.
You know what I'm saying. It's just a different energy
when you're around him and you want to flow with him.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I said, I mean I got a chance to,
like you, play with Ai, play with Chris Paul. Super
competitive dudes, but to me, there's no one more competit.
Speaker 27 (36:00):
Yeah see, I didn't. I wish you get that. We
didn't get We didn't. We didn't get that part of
the experience. Like every once in a while, yeah did
he would say some ship did. The whole room was
like like, we had a fun He's gonna be mad
at you for this, but look we had a blowout.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
We got blue out uh.
Speaker 27 (36:18):
At Portland and he came in the locker room and
he was like, from now on out. Every time down
the court, I touched the ball. Y'all gonna learn what
it's like to play with Kobe Bean fucking Bright, and
I'm looking like this mother serious. But so Nick Young
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played for lass. We go, we showered ship, we come back.
Nick walk in the locker room to y'all better throw
that mother fuck the ball and it's.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Gonna be some ship around here.
Speaker 27 (36:47):
So like, Nick never took anything serious though, but we
just got the ship kicked out of us, and Code
wasn't going for it, you know what I'm saying. And
so I just think mentally, like he meant that ship,
you know what I'm saying. I just think it at
point's body just didn't give him what he wanted.
Speaker 28 (37:03):
When I got to play with Kobe for you know,
a few you know, we didn't get to we both
got hurt. But having to share in the locker room
with him at the end of our career, it was
an eye opener in a sense because you forget, we
got drafted together. We played against each other our whole careers.
You know, you I thought of him as a competitor.
I thought as the competition, you know, predominantly, So when
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I came to the Lakers, and you could see the
like the worship that young players had for him. You know,
it was an eye opener because I never had that
perspective of him. But that's exactly how I was with Jordan,
if you know what I mean, Like when I came
in the league. So I'd been there, you know, i'd
been there, I'd done what they were doing to Kobe.
How exciting it was to play with Kobe. I'd done
having a chance to play against Jordan, you know. And
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and so to get more from from Mike. He doesn't
owe anybody anything but to get more of him, for
him to you know, to make the speech at Kobe's service,
for him to do the film, for him to you know,
just be a little bit more opening. He's probably, like
you said, relaxed. You know, it's amazing for us. You know,
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it's it's a different time, right, Like this might be it.
We may not get nothing anything else out of him,
but that's why this is so special, and we just
got to like we just got to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Best Kobe memory on or off the court.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Yeah, so I got a I got a good Kobe story.
So my rookie year, we're playing here in Staples Center,
and Michale tells us before like look, you're like, he
pulls me aside, like you're gonna see crazy people. You're
gonna see celebrities there like lock In and Kobe. He's
gonna try and bust your ass, like he's going to
be like offended. You're guarding him.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Absolutely, I'm like cool, Like I love it.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I'm flattering to guard him. So I go there first.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
So I'm just looking at the court side. My head's
on a swivel. Just I've never seen this before, right,
I'm like, God, damn, this is great.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
All of them is there and this.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Chicks there, I'm like wow.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
So I'm already distracted, and of course I'm starting on
Kobe and Jordan Hill that year had got traded from
Houston to La so I had known him as a
little side note. And fourth quarter comes around and Kobe
looks at me and he's like, are you guys staying
the night tonight? And I'm like, I'm like looking at mcale,
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make sure he's not looking at me for and I'm like, yeah,
like what up, Like I'm like, oh, he's doing it
like he's mister Mia Gamy right now, it's like he's
doing I'm like, yeah, what's up, we're staying. He goes,
I'll set you up like I'll get your number from
Jade Hill and like if you want to go out tonight.
I'm like stop, Like you're like I know what you're doing,
Like come on. McHale's over there like Grilla me like
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stop talking to this motherfucker. So I go ends up.
He ends up just going off. He's like forty that
game we lose. After the game, you know, like right
there in La Live, we go to like Katsuya and
we're with all the ogs, right, We're with like Camby
down and they're all taking me out. I get a
text and he goes, you're all set at supper club
dash Mamba and I'm like I'm like I'm like looking around,
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like all right, who's fucking with me? Like no, no way?
And I'm like, Courney Lee is my guy? Right, I'm
like showing him like is this real? Like you guys
number like and I write them back. I'm like okay,
like like are you like I said, sound like are
you comment? He's like no, I can't make it, but
my guy will hit you up. Got next text? Hey,
you're set up. Let me know what you need, a
supper club whatever. So at this point I'm telling the table,
I'm like, guys.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I got you.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Like he's my guy.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
He set it up.
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Let's go, JB. Your staff is there, like I'm bringing coaches,
I'm bringing trainers. This is I got it, and we
have a blast. Right, we have the craziest night ever.
Supper club was the Tit was the club where the
tables were beds.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
I was like it was nuts and two am rolls
around and granted, I'm with these guys that made hundreds
of millions dollars and this waitress Bee lines right to
me with the check and I'm like, oh shit. And
my dad's my financial advisor at the time. He would
be on my ass if I like value size, combo
meal Chick fil A, and he's bringing me. She's bringing
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me this bill for god knows how much, and I'm like,
oh man, I open it and it's like twenty two
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And now at this point, I'm like I'm sick.
Speaker 29 (41:12):
I'm physically like no, no, like I can't do this
because car's gonna bounce and I'll never forget this chick
looks at me, hands me a pen and says, sign
for mister Bryant.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
And I'm like what, I'm like, video the whole thing.
I'm like, I'm like, signing Kobe brought. I sign Kobe
Bryant on a twenty two thousand dollars club bill and everyone,
by the way, they say he's tough, he's gonna go
at you. I'm like, this dude was cool as fuck.
He was he was awesome. It was a crazy, crazy time.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
See I got a picture of it.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
I still got his number.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I'm like, I love the way the story went though,
because I thought because Kobe wasn't asked too, he would
have been nucky with the bill and from the weekend before,
I was like, oh, he flipped on you. That's our guy.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
That's a dope, best story.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Nothing but love for him.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's probably my favorite Kobe story.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 30 (42:10):
Look with Kobe, like like with Lebron, Like when I
got it Lebron back then, my attitude was I'm not
gonna crash the offensive class and we shoot, I'm gonna
find him. I'm not gonna let him get out in
the full head of steam. So I'm not gonna let
him turn the corner and go right and get to
the rim. I'm gonna make him make contested jump shots.
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And I'm not gonna foul if he posts me up.
Don't help because he beat you with his passing as much.
He's so like, you know, he had a game plan
and I actually did, Okay, I mean Lebron would have moments,
but like you know, I didn't have a strategy for
I didn't know what to do, and so sometimes man
like I would just he go up a shot, I'll
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just hit his arm, like, just hit his arm and
just like you know. And the problem too is I
couldn't go back at him because that my role. You know,
in Phoenix, Nash had the ball in his hand. So
I'm stuck in the corner and I'm not you know,
I'm not a spot up shooter. So he was hard
to defend. But in that moment, man like I a
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couple of times I guess right, like, I'm like, like
he's gonna go right, he's gonna shot fake, I'm not
I know what he's gonna do, and I'm like and
then you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
How hard it is saying this, and when you usually
square it off against him, you're saying that in your
head as yours.
Speaker 30 (43:25):
I knew he wanted to go right, and I knew
he had a great ball fake, and I've seen him
do it before. And so he at one shot right
in front of our bench. We tapped Alvin on them,
and so he hit a touch shot on me before that,
and I tried to deny him the ball, but he
gets it, he goes right.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
I go with him.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
He shot faced.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I don't go for it.
Speaker 30 (43:47):
I actually I get closer into him. I go up
when he goes up. You know how hard it is
to do a shot fake reload from three and somebody
in your grind. And I couldn't be any closer to
him without fouling man, this dude, Like I was like,
I mean, I was actually proud of the defense I played,
(44:10):
Like I'm thinking I could have done anything other than
just prevent him fro getting the ball. But he was
the best player I played against. And I say this
respectfully with George, I didn't guard Jordan Pippen and I
matched up, But the best player that I played against,
hands down, was Kobe.
Speaker 31 (44:27):
Kobe throughout his career, which just he would have he
would either shoot me a text. And it's funny because
having Kobe number in your phone and not abusing it
was like you had to ask some real restraints because
I had so many like niggas Kobe, like wanted to
talk to Kobe every day, you know what I'm saying,
even if even if, like you know, you had obviously
(44:49):
different mothers and fathers, like you still felt like he
was a brother, you know what I'm saying, because anytime
he talks to him, he always had some game. And
one thing that Kobe asked me, he was like, Yo,
when you're gonna like get on your business and step
upon you know what I'm saying. From the from the streets,
and I was just like never he was like ah
see see and just you know, he'd be like all right,
I get with you. But one thing about Kobe in
the documentary, every time I seen him, every time we talk,
(45:11):
he would just always tell me how much that album
meant to him. But even more so than the documentary,
it was the doctor's advocate for him. The doctor's advocate
was the one. You know what I'm saying, He was
just like yo, like one blood and like I work
out every day. Every morning, I'm up and I throw
this on. And every time I came to the Staples
Center to see Kobe, like he if he saw me,
(45:32):
I don't know. I ain't never seen a nigga with
a phone in.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
His short it was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 31 (45:38):
It would start running, man, And so like I still
feel indebted to Kobe just for his contribution to the city,
for him never wavering from you know, like playing for
the Lakers, never being traded, never abandoned the ship, like
just taking it in the last game.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Oh my god, I said that. Yo.
Speaker 31 (45:56):
I watched it. I watched the niggas double team. It
wasn't easy. I watched him get sixty on the way out.
And it's like that, like when we talk about Kobe,
I mean, under these glasses, if I say to say
his name too much, I'm gonna start crying. All though,
because it's like you would never I would. You would
have never thought in a million years that Kobe would
meet an untimely Demid.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
It's a superhero.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah. So the end of twenty nineteen, you unfortunately lost
your mother. The beginning of twenty twenty, you lost some
another mentor to you, David Stern, and then we all
lost Kobe the end of that January talk to us
just about where you were as a person outside of business.
But obviously business had to continue. But as a person,
(46:41):
that's a lot for anyone to handle. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 16 (46:47):
And I'm glad the way you said that we all
lost Kobe, because when people would say to me and
express their condolences, I would correct them and say, hey,
the world lost somebody really special. And just him as
a friend and as a motivator and watching him as
(47:10):
a father and a husband. You know, he just he
was a leader and you know he's irreplaceable. And the
knowledge that he shared with people, I had no idea
until after he passed it. I mean I knew he
helped basketball players, but every he helped everybody, people in
(47:30):
every kind of sport, and even me when I think
back to you know, he after my father passed away
in twenty thirteen, he invited me to have lunch and
I you know, I met him down in Orange County
and he brought Gianna with him and he said, I
(47:51):
hope it's okay with you. I brought Gianna because I
want her to see a really powerful woman and I
realized later that really what he was doing was motivating
me absolutely, And he's just he was, you know, somebody
that I valued and will continue to value. And I
hope that what he stood for, and you know, the
(48:15):
lessons that he taught people like me, I will continue
to pass on to other people, and I think his
legend will continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, we had an opportunity one of his last, if
not his last interviews. We went out there and interviewed him,
and before we even got to the interview, he brought
me and Jack into his office and he was just
so adamant on putting the first twenty years of his
greatness to bed and being that next but what's my
next act? The businessman, the father, the you know everything
(48:44):
else he was involved in. But it was amazing to
me just all the other things he was into. And
he was, you know, at the time, finishing his I
think his second or third children's novel, and he had
signed some books for me and the boys, and you know,
we asked him how he got into it and just
the detail he would give us in the getting a
chance to play with them, the veracity he the approach
(49:05):
he took, the basketball, he took that same approach to business,
you know, and it was scary because he was such
a competitor on the court, but he was even more
competitive off the court, because it's like, Okay, the Kobe
I was in the past doesn't mean shit now, Like
I got to kind of reinvent myself and and and
move forward. And that really just touched me. But you know,
obviously we lost, we all lost something very special.
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