Title: 23 Times Michael Jordan Proved He's The GOAT

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mike is the greatest man.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Mike is the best player I was against.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
You ain't ever faced him. You don't understand.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
He is truly one of the best. Michael Jorgan, I
tell you I was.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
I was better than Mike.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yeah, for about three weeks.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
He was the first dude that I met, back a
back up his trash.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
That dude to give you fifty real fast.

Speaker 6 (00:24):
And that's did anything coming from Mike.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Mike is the best basketball player ever.

Speaker 7 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Enjoy, Oh, we appreciate you. Man.

Speaker 7 (00:40):
Have you ever sat down and had like a real
off the camera conbo with mj Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, what is that like looking in the mirror. No,
it's fun. I mean it's fun. No, we're really different.
It's crazy, Like he'll he'll compete to you anything, to
you y'all different, I guess. I mean, like he'll compete
with any and everything.

Speaker 8 (00:59):
I won't.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I only can people things that I really am good at. Like,
I'm not just gonna compete on something you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Everything you know, he'll uh, you know, he'll talk basketball
all day long and not stopping prepared. Well, what would
have happened if you know my ninety one against your
O three and you know, like what this is that?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
What would happened in your opinion? Come on, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Can't ask him that, man.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I want to know.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
Would have been complete dominant, would be seven game series.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
With what he started the conversation with was well, I
would have destroyed you. You know, listen, I just I
just said, listen, just remember who you're talking to. You
just started laughing. He's like, I'm just messing with you.
I'm just messing with you, and then we just kind
of moved on. But it would been It would have
been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's dope, man. Just to even know that you'll had
that conversation is done.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:55):
How bad?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I remember playing with you.

Speaker 7 (01:58):
Your whole thing is that you said I want to
sit at the yeah, meaning you wanted that six ring.
What did it mean not to be able to get that?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oh? It pissed me off, you know, but things are
what they are. You know, you gotta you you push
for a goal, and my original goal was to try
to win Eat eight. And you push for it, and
you push for it and you push for and you
do the best you can. But at the end of
the day, you can be comfortable with the results and
where they landed and where they ended up, and so
you know, that's the most important thing. That's why I

(02:25):
can be really, really comfortable with the career that I've
had because you're not worked as hard as you possibly could.

Speaker 7 (02:32):
Three time NBA Champ, NCAA Champ, James Worthy.

Speaker 9 (02:35):
Everybody talk about MJ's championship shot nineteen eighty three against
Georgetown the championship, but you had twenty eight thirteenth to
seventeen from the field. Nobody don't talk about that. It
was on your shoulders. But what's your take on that? Well,
you did, Joe John.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
You know, if you watch the uh, the Michael Jordan documentary,
it was in Chicago, not that out the hair movie.
I had a statement, you know, with Michael came to Caroline.
I tell everybody I was I was better than Michael. Yeah. Yeah,
you know for about three weeks. For about three weeks, man,

(03:18):
I knew he had it. When you're an athlete and
you guys are both tough. I watched you. I watched
your whole career. You know, when you're when you're tough
and you're not going back down from anybody, and you're
gonna take him on. But then when somebody comes along
that this the fucking tougher than you, they're like he

(03:39):
was an assassin and he bullied me. He because you know,
he's he sought out the best and everything. If you
were the best backgaming player in the dorm, he wanted
to know, if you were the best card player, he
wanted to find out. And he took everything as if
he was losing a game seven is losing just wasn't
I didn't care what it was. He break a table,

(04:00):
well if he lost the back gam and so he
sought me out, and you know, we practiced two hours,
two and a half hours. You guys know how some
college practice. Are you ready to get out of there?
And he would. I'd be walking off the court and
he pushed, where you're going, young, young fella, That's what
he called me.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
So you were a junior when he was juniors.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Freshman year, and so yeah, you know he wanted to
know and uh and throughout that year, even though I was,
you know, MVP. There were some games against Virginia in
the ACC tournament where Michael kept us in the game
and some big shots against you know, Ralph Sampson and
those guys. And then against Georgetown we only had really

(04:39):
five players against Patrick Ewan and my home boys sleeping
floor and they were tough. Uh, but Michael hit some
big shots and kept us in you know. I and
then at the end of the game, Coach Smith wanted
me to be like a decoy.

Speaker 10 (04:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know we had we had lost to Indiana the
year before, I Siah Thomas and Bobby Knight, so getting
back was special and I wanted to win or lose.
He'd been punching on Mike. I beat, I beat. I
would always beat. Mike doesn't Yeah, you know Zeke Zeke
Ben opinionated leave alone.

Speaker 11 (05:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
He had a good career. It was awesome. Uh but yeah, man, uh,
you know, because you know they expected me to, you know,
to take the shot. You know, we running high low
against their zohn. Patrick Ewhan was a beast, and I
wanted to win and lose. Because Michael was a freshman.
I didn't you know, I didn't know if he had

(05:40):
it in his veins. But uh, I was to flash
in the mill. Coach Smith didn't call it up like that,
but he knew it would work out that way. We
ran our offense properly, so we ran the high low,
Sam went down low, I flashed in and three guys
collapsed and Michael was wide open. Now he he didn't

(06:00):
draw it up like that. But at the end of
the time out, you know, when you're walking back on
the court, Michael was one of the last guys. And
I heard Coach Smith kind of if you get it,
if you get it clean looking knocking it, you know,
you know what I mean. So and yeah, he knew,
he knew Michael had it in his veins. And yeah,
that was the beginning. We called him Mike, Mike Jordan.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Kenny said he had no handle when he came to when.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
He first got there. No handles, No, not well, Kenny
had him.

Speaker 12 (06:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
After I left, Kenny still mad at me because I
recruited Kenny. He wanted to play with me and I
left after my junior year. He and Brad Dougherty. But yeah,
he he didn't have a lot of fundamentals when he came.
I think he was a better baseball player coming out
of high school. And you know, you've heard the story
of him getting cut from his high school team once,

(06:51):
so he had a lot to work on. He had
raw talent, though raw talent, but when he got the
fundamentals down after his fresh year and he worked at
it because we had drill after drills after drills. Whatever
his weakness was, he was willing to work on it,
and so I can't remember him having uh. I mean,

(07:14):
back then we ran four corners. There wasn't a twenty
four second shot clock his freshman year, so he was
okay at that, but I don't remember him ever having
the ball handling skills that a guard has toossess.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
We got our brother Kenny Smith here today, your freshman
year team, to name a few, Michael, Jordan, Brad Dougherty,
Sam Perkins, yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I mean, what were those practices?

Speaker 10 (07:36):
Like, you know what the crazy part was that?

Speaker 7 (07:39):
No, that wasn't a question who was the best playoff.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I'm gonna get that. I want to hit that one first.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I want the best player.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Sam Perkins was the best player my freshman year, like
because Sam was a four time.

Speaker 10 (07:51):
All American that you know that wouldn't happen today.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Any Like, first team first team for Sam was the
best player. Michael was the most dynamic, but he didn't
have a handle. He couldn't handle the rock like in college. No,
he couldn't handle the rock.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
So like even even.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
At times I'd be like, you bet we play pick up,
like I got Mike, You're like because I know, I'm like,
I'm get up under you, like you can't.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Handle the rock, and uh what happened?

Speaker 7 (08:17):
And then and then.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
He's the only guy that I know that his weaknesses
that he had at the end of his career was
a stress. The only person I've ever Lebron's not like that,
KD No, nobody. He's the only one I did. His
handle was crazy and his jump shot was pure. I said,
how do you miss a jump shot? You got a
perfect for him. But we talked about it, and I

(08:43):
was like, this is not competitive. We talked about competitive
with Mike. So I used to say, I was like,
it's like, oh, you think you could go It's like, yeah,
because your handles wack.

Speaker 10 (08:50):
I used to say, your handle's whack. I could guard you,
and like blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
So now we're doing that, were playing. He goes to
the Olympics, comes back, goes to the League, comes back
for the summer because all the players, with every North
Carolina player came. We all come back and play. So
the gym is the doodles like it's like any NBA team.
We would beat like in that gym without question. And

(09:18):
he's my moment, he's gone, I'm like, damn gang out.

Speaker 10 (09:22):
He's like, my handle, been working on it, but.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I forgot accept that.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I really forgot.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
I said it, and he's like, my handle, right, you're
talking about my handle. But he was like the stories
are true about his competitiveness. Like we were we were
playing cup one day. So this is when you knew
you made I made I made it too. Because the
juniors and seniors, you know, even at y'all school probably
picked the team.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, yes, right straight out of high school went
to Mexico, right.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
So they picked I don't get. This's how we do it.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
So the pros go on one hand and they players
college players on the other, and then you pick your team. Yep,
but you could you could pick the pros across over.
You could cross over. So Michael and or Sam whoever,
they were senior leaders and junior leaders, they picked the team.
And the first day, you know, you know, as a freshman.
You're just sitting they're not picking you. So you get

(10:17):
on the quarter end. So about two weeks later, a
bout a week later, uh, Michaels picking and he's like,
I got I got New York. They used to call
me New York. I got New York. It's like, oh shit,
I got picked first. He was like, first, it's twenty
pros in the gym.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
I was like, oh, it's case.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
I was like, so my my confidence was boost So
now we're playing right, and we went in. We went
in games and so every time we win, you know,
you go get water. And I'm watching Mike and he's
standing in the middle of center court.

Speaker 10 (10:52):
I'm like, I walk up, like, yo, what are you doing.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
He's like, I want the mother because to know that
I'm never leaving the court. I'm gonna be the use
to stand here at last.

Speaker 10 (11:02):
I was like, all right, so.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
We both.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
How we I mean, he was like, I mean, he
was the first dude that I met.

Speaker 13 (11:13):
That could back up his trash like every day every day,
always a talker, always a talker, and always backed it
up though, like and he really took more pride, especially
than his defense.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
He's like Walter Davis. You're not scoring today. You're not
scoring today, Walter Davis like he That's the type of
energy he was on all the time he and when
he when he got to the league. So we had dorms,
and our dorm numbers don't change. So if you had
dorm number eight, it's the same phone number next year.

Speaker 10 (11:45):
You're just a different person.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
So so all of when he comes in town, this
is before the Instagram, and you'd hear the phones go
bring and somebody hang up bring and you just hear
going out.

Speaker 10 (11:59):
So it's him and all he say is schools in session, schoo.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So everybody come in the hallway, like Mike's here, Mike's here, right, Mike.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
So he go and he called each room to let
her know come to the gym. School in session, so
the gym would be packed. We got four thousand people
watching our pickup games.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's crazy, four thousand.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's dopest hell. It was. It was.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
It was unbelievable that time basketball was a different There
was no Charlotte Hornets. So like people would and this
is no social media, and people that.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
All hold campsites word them.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Out and they would be for it would be four
thousand people when he came in that gym.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
Good old, I mean obviously with his competitiveness and his
desire to get better at a young age, did you
see him possibly being a great I.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
Knew he would be great.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
I never thought he'd be the greatest because when I
first saw him, and then when I saw him when
we even in practice, like you don't like, I guess
it's like have a.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
Buutiful wife and you like take it for granted.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Because he there every day.

Speaker 10 (13:03):
You see, you see it every moment.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
You know, you see every moment you know a beautiful
person you're around. You see their bad side too, you
see the days that they're in the mood. So for him,
I saw those moments and I was like, but then
when he when he left and he came back, I
saw that the energy that he put into his game,
like he never stopped working. Man Like his stelf is

(13:28):
not an accident. Like it's not like, oh he was gifted. No,
he was the most fundamentally sound player that ever played
the game. If you watch the videos, his his left
handed is in the correct paths and lane.

Speaker 10 (13:39):
His footwork is unapeckable.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
The offensively you know, his jab step is he's the
always ball, moved, beat, stay still like all of those
things were all the time. And then he was the
best athlete. Most guys who were athletic didn't rely on that.
You know, his greatest even you know, and this is
not a not but his greatest Claude Drexler was. That
was the difference between him and Mike. To me, it's

(14:01):
just the fundamentals of job step and that's, you know,
the stuff that Dean Smith learned. But uh, and it
Mike gets a lot of credit for, like his quotes,
but it's just Dean Smith's quotes. It's stolen. It's just
he just adds, explicits everything everything that Coach Smith said

(14:24):
to us, That's what Mike said. Every know you you
can pull it. It's every interview. It's plagiarism to the fire.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Let's welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Lawrence Taylor, what do you remember about the pickup games
of North Carolina on the basketball court?

Speaker 14 (14:39):
I mean you were in school with somebody. Let me
tell you something. Hey, look we get back in the day.
We used to dad going to go out there and
play and play.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
And and I remember.

Speaker 14 (14:56):
For the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the
championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated.
But you know we ain't really cheat. One of our
players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Yeah,

(15:23):
technicality against that. But I used to go out there
and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,
all those guys that I used to go.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Out there and play.

Speaker 10 (15:36):
And what was.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Your game like?

Speaker 14 (15:39):
Well, see the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from
like thirty five feet but thirty one.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thirty is it?

Speaker 14 (15:48):
And they used to say they just say, let's say,
well I could, I could, I could shoot the ball.
I'm alf in the decent in defense, I already got
mad because they only give you six files.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Garden getting more.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
Than six fis I need more than six.

Speaker 15 (16:10):
Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six pounds dead.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Lt is on me.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
I'm passing that bitch. Cut it out, someone else do something.

Speaker 14 (16:19):
I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one
of the best schools far as getting meeting people and
and and and.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Just that the whole preparing you for life.

Speaker 14 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship
and the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been
threatened that I may listened one year. Okay, I'm not
gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Come on, going in too much.

Speaker 14 (16:50):
Senior year and we're out and some of my boys
and stuff, and they got this big old fest of
own stuff, right. So we go to the festival because
it's right there at Aaron House. And we go to
the festival and a couple of my boys stole a

(17:10):
couple of items from the festival. So they gave him
to me the whole because like, you know, ain'tbody gonna
fuck Maybe I mean sall my language, but anybody gonna
mess with me. So I sit there and I held
the ambers and then all of a sudden, the the

(17:34):
the lady that's what the ta or whatever that that
the lady is, she came over there and started fussing,
arguing stuff like that. Anyway, I got sent to what
back in college, uh to court, Uh you know the

(17:56):
campus court, CA.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
You know.

Speaker 14 (17:58):
So I got sent there, me and a couple of
mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't
allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So
I wasn't allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you

(18:20):
know this going into my senior year and I'm worried
about if I'm gonna be able to.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Play my senior year.

Speaker 14 (18:28):
So decided, you know, he can play, He's just not
allowed to be on South campus.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Okay, So they put us.

Speaker 14 (18:39):
On in a building on North campus, fourth story building,
and it was four of us guys.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
For the We all had a floor.

Speaker 14 (18:53):
I could stay on the first floor that somebody else
got stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest segment.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
I was gonna say, so you got in trouble and
it got better.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh God, the greatest.

Speaker 14 (19:03):
Take a girl hey, and it was a girl's dormitory
right across now, greatest.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was one time the trouble was that wouldn't worked
for me.

Speaker 7 (19:16):
All trouble turns into gold. I'll tell you speak to
your friendship. Obviously every week you got a good relationship
with Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
But how does that start?

Speaker 7 (19:27):
And how is it in one of those golf matches,
like I know you guys both being very competitive.

Speaker 14 (19:32):
Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my
senior right after I seen my rookie year in and
at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So
I came back to finish up school that summer and

(19:56):
so he was playing with the team practice and with
the team, and and uh, what's the coach? Same Dean
Smith allowed me to practice with him, right, he allowed
me to practice, and Mike was always every time I
turned around, he just taked.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
Hey call him foul, foul, foule file.

Speaker 14 (20:17):
I just hit you a little bit, Come on, man.
So every time Mike had the ball, I wanted guard.
I wanted to guard Mike.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
Because he was then it was the paint fre you
guns I am because I know Michael was dropping you off.

Speaker 14 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, he's gonna drop me off. But he's gonna
drop me off of a little something in his egg
gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now. So you know,
I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
I'm just saying I'm a player.

Speaker 14 (20:51):
I'm not saying but hey, we used to have a
great time doing that. And he is, truly, you know,
one of the best. But I'm the best when I
come to when it comes to fouling.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Though, I would you dun't?

Speaker 14 (21:07):
You can't ask that question, could I dunk?

Speaker 4 (21:10):
How you want it?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Really?

Speaker 8 (21:11):
How you want it?

Speaker 10 (21:12):
Okay, how you want it?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I know I heard it. I heard you want it back.
What's all that said?

Speaker 14 (21:19):
I could do anything I wanted to your way.

Speaker 9 (21:23):
I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I
was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?

Speaker 7 (21:33):
How did how did golf come into your game? And
obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the
competitives with you two on the golf course.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he
does nothing half ass nothing.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I mean I don't.

Speaker 14 (21:52):
I don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.
He does nothing half ass. You know, he won't sit
beat the best at everything he does and pretty.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Much is.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Welcome to the show regimember. So obviously your ship talking
is so legendary. You're one of the very few and
maybe the only person that got in got into a
fight with Kobe and MJ.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes?

Speaker 9 (22:23):
I just think they got in the fights because they
got tired of chasing this nigga.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Like, man, slow down, man, you got that.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
All right.

Speaker 16 (22:32):
I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting because people
always ask me, and I've been waiting for the right
forum to tell the story.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Welcome to death Rope. I mean, we're honored. We will
start with the MJ fight. Shall we watch them? We
shall a little trip down memory.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when
they have the ball.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So go back, go back, old on. He got to
pull the whole clip up, the whole clip up. Here
we go.

Speaker 16 (23:01):
Yeah, so this is it. Watch this one two. I'm like, okay.
I tried to get him there and he got out
the way. So I was like, all right, tipping, I'm
going straight to him.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Let him know.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (23:16):
I had to hurry up and turn around because I
don't want him to come in like choke hold being
he tried to rake you. So I'm like, okay, we
both get into we get into this. He scrapes my
eye like I can't.

Speaker 11 (23:28):
See, like he was trying to scratch it.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I saw him, right, So all this goes down. This
is in ms A, by the way, this is it.
We're at home.

Speaker 16 (23:43):
We are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
So this ship goes down.

Speaker 16 (23:54):
Ronnie Nune, Yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Little comes in breaks it all up. They huddle up.
I'm thinking, okay, so back in the day, a lot
of it.

Speaker 16 (24:08):
Look at this, scratch, scratch the crap out of me
fifteen face, look at this.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
But look I'm holding them and controlling it.

Speaker 16 (24:19):
I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, those pull ups break stadium.

Speaker 16 (24:25):
So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get double technicols.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Maybe if I get.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Thrown out, he's gonna get thrown out.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
We both are throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had
a fresh do for the game, was clean. So just
you got kicked out the game. I didn't know that.
That's wowches No. Three.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
They ain't never throwing Mike, who's free throws right now?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
You found him rich.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
They thought Mike got no motherfucking game.

Speaker 16 (25:05):
In our in our building, maybe Chicago, in our building.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
He's shooting the technicals too.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
God damn forty five on us.

Speaker 16 (25:15):
Not that he wouldn't have scored forty five with me
in the game, but ship give me a chance in
our building.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
MJ threw three punch in the league and then get
kicked out the game.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
The next day, I got a one game suspension.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
You got kicked out any game suspension and he got
three games? So why did he get three games? Then
right and kicked out in the game. Wow, So they
let him play the game.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
The suspended three game and then suspended us. And that's
what they did me. At the San Francisco prom Come on.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Man, mix in town.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
Max said, when Mike kame to Houston, all his women
started working.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Here's the here's the thing, man, you woill see these
you woill see you know, you go out to a
club or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks.

Speaker 16 (26:05):
Real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are
you dressed like it's Sunday church?

Speaker 5 (26:13):
Man?

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I told you about this.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Mike come to your city is coming out right, and
they think they're gonna getting married. Hit one of them things.
It's gonna get hit by Mike.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Of my whole career. One thing I wish a regret.

Speaker 16 (26:33):
And you know people will say I wish we would
have had I would have had more than one series
versus dude.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'm not saying I would have won.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
You would have won, probably not.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But you're judged like wins. I won a few battles.

Speaker 16 (26:50):
He always won the wars He's got six of them
and we took them seven games.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I just wish we.

Speaker 16 (26:58):
Would have had I wish I could have gone against
him more. Yeah, and I don't want people jumping on
the internet. I'm not saying we would have beat them.
I would if I would have been the same thing.

Speaker 11 (27:13):
But man, I want to see I got confident.

Speaker 16 (27:17):
I want to see how I am versus that dude
thing too, you know, I want to see how I
am versus that dude.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
He obviously had a lot of respect and spoke highly
of you, But what was different when you played a
game against him and the bulls.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max.

Speaker 16 (27:34):
There was no weaknesses. Try to force them left, you
try to force them right, You try to top lock them,
you try to hold, you try to be physical with him.
I I equated to like this. It was like and
maybe this is how sinners feel when they were going
against Shack.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
He was Shack of shooting guards. I don't care.

Speaker 16 (27:57):
There was no way you can get around them, in
front of them.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
He was just too strong.

Speaker 16 (28:01):
And then he had a forty eight inch vertical, so
there you were never blocking his shot and he could
stop on a die his handles, and then he held
the ball like it was like an orange.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
So he's tawning you holding the ball on your face.

Speaker 16 (28:20):
The tongue is all out and shit and showing the
fucking gum and all that shit.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
And then come down.

Speaker 16 (28:29):
The black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking
right back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't
going anywhere, and he's looking at you, and man, no weaknesses, none, zero.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I could look. I loveday. I'm watching.

Speaker 16 (28:46):
I'm always trying to find a tail, and I found
a tail on everyone.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
I could not find a tail.

Speaker 16 (28:53):
Not one damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x
amount of times, what is his percentages?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Great? Right?

Speaker 16 (29:01):
Great, step back great, great, great, rebounding great, passing great.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
You can't punk him. I'm trying to find something.

Speaker 16 (29:11):
So it's almost like ship by committee there, key, I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
We got to get some help down this motherfucker. Come on,
come on now, I've been calling to crowd to bed.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
That's the toughest shouting basketball, which is the fight away.
He shot that ship, I mean high clip at the toughest.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Cannot block it. You can't get it.

Speaker 16 (29:35):
But see fade away and it's at forty eight inches.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
When it got to learn how to put his back
to the basket and get in that post.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
That's what he got.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Then got he would do the one.

Speaker 17 (29:46):
Yeah, he get that.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
He get that.

Speaker 16 (29:51):
Him and maybe maxkinis hast to this picking rolls. Don't
let your big be one step to he split and
then now it's up to dyl and Antonio alone.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Here's your problem.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Now he splits. But then when you would extend him.

Speaker 16 (30:16):
To half court, he would get this shoulder or this
shoulder which way he was coming off, and get under
the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing,
as shooting guards are, you got to get under and
then he's put and on top of that he can shoot.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
He can shoot. They talked about it.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but
I seen the video recently and when he got a
till ball and they passed on them, he went up
a vertical on Charles Barker.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
That ship was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing
that people don't understand.

Speaker 16 (30:47):
Not only could he he's known for, you know, the
two handed, but he could one leg to either leg too, Yeah,
either leg, like it was and be out till four
or five five o'clock in the morning, smoking, drinking whatever.

Speaker 18 (31:04):
Yeah, car, yes, all this shit games at seven, seven thirty.

Speaker 19 (31:11):
Sometime he'll go play golf the same day he played.

Speaker 16 (31:14):
Man, it's almost like he was trying to make it fair.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes.
You guys can have a chance to know.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Didn't have a tail, guys, and you know it. You
hear it all the time.

Speaker 16 (31:30):
Who's the goat, who's the greatest and all that between
you know him and Lebron. And I try to stay
away from that because I went against Lebron.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
His first year. He was a rookie my last year,
so I don't have no point of reference.

Speaker 16 (31:45):
But I will say Lebron has the greatest career.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I say it all the time. He has the greatest career.
But Mike is the best basketball player ever. Welcome to
the Show.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
Only the eighth player to average twenty five points ten
consecutive seasons, nine time All Stars, seven time All NBA
retire when he retired, the seventh leading score at the
time twenty over twenty six thousand points. But again, that's
something we touched on the credit and the respect because
you were going head to head with MJ a lot

(32:20):
of times but got the better of him a lot
of times.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, he was a bad man. He was good. You
know what.

Speaker 8 (32:30):
I found this.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Out early, I would say about a couple of years ago,
and didn't realize that he and I was only two
fold in the NBA history that average thirty against one
another our whole career, for a whole career.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Really, you had to man.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I had to get thirty against him on there too.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
He was a man.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
And you shot nearly fifty percent while doing it by
average thirty.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
And that's a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
People don't realize the efficiency that I score with that
I didn't take thirty shots in May twelve, you know,
and especially in that era with the physicality and you're
getting hit in touch and still they able to be
that efficient.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, and it says a lot.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, but yeah, MJ was.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Do you have a battle that comes to mind when
you I mean, obviously you guys played a ton of times.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I've said this many times, you know, people heard me
say this. I think I scored fifty seven in Atlanta
and I didn't play the fourth court and we went
back to Chicago. A little while later and we're in
the locker room suiting time. MJ walks down the locker
room shuitting time. I'm saying, in your yeah, I'm just

(33:42):
coming out, Like what are you coming in there for?
Like he come in the training room or something weaker.
He walks by me, walks by Cavill to get the
Randy Whitman and taps him on the ass. They said,
lay him up, it's going to be a long night.
And turns to walk out, and I.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Ain't know what to say. I'm shocked.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm like, well, you tell that somebody, Scottie Pippin, I'm
gonna kick his ass.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I didn't know what to say.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Man, you know, I'm like, I'm blown away.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
He had sixty that night?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
What you do?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
We we won the game? Ye had sixty that night.
I had a hell of a game. But he had sixty, bro,
And when it wasn't like no, like it was a
hard sixty either. The way he was scoring, he was
like he was on a miss. I think he was
like pissed off that I had fifty seven, you know

(34:29):
a few days before, and he went crazy.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
But I said it loud enough so you could hear
it too, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, and so it's it really set up the games
we played against each other our career. You know, game
I'll have forty three here forty one, or he'll have
forty six and I have forty. I mean it was
go like that all the time, battles.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
He was a hard man to beat. That team was
so good though, That team was that was That team
was made up of a bunch of great great role
play and I think Scottie Pippen I have a lot
of respect for. I think he's one of the greatest
role players they ever played this game. Yeah, he probably
the best, Yeah, they ever played this game. And so
he was a great compliment to Jordan.

Speaker 9 (35:13):
It's so hard for a lot of players, especially in
Mike's era, to give him his props.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Why is it so easy for you to give him
his props?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
And if you ain't ever faced them, you don't understand.
If you ain't ever faced Mike on, you can't make
that comment.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Man, I played against some of the most hard nosed,
talented players ever played this game. He was a phenomenon
and he had attitude with it. I mean he was
when you played against Mike. His eyes are bloodshot red
every game, like he was possessed. And I just sitting
there and said, I got to go work tonight because

(35:50):
Jesus is coming, you know. And so he and I,
you know, we had so much respect. But I'm gonna
tell you when I knew how good he was. When
we was in college. I was a junior, he was
a freshman. Were playing Carolina and the first time James
Worthy and I had a chance to play against one
another since high school. In high school, we we came
out the same area but never played against others. So

(36:13):
that Carolina game we played, were going back and forth.
Or the first player of the game, I went up
and I caught you know, Worthy's finger roll and I
wanted to, you know, set the tone. I threw it
like six rod in the stands.

Speaker 8 (36:27):
You know this goal, We're gonna go.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
We gotta come.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
And the game was back and forth the whole game.
Close Worthy with having the hell of a game. I
was having the hell of a game. In the last
two minutes of the game, a young kid named Michael
Jordan took over by himself.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
A freshman.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
He's a I said, I was like, who is this kid?
Right here, man, And so I knew I knew this
he was gonna be a great pro. I didn't know
he gonna be that good of a pro. And but
that's kind of set at the tone for me and
my thoughts of what I saw. And because, like I said,
if you hadn't played against Mike, you have no clue.

(37:08):
You have no clue how good he is.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Honor to have you on the show today. The one
and only Craig.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Hodges talk to me about the one time you guys
are finishing up the season against Miami, right and you're
going to see him in the first round of the
playoffs exactly.

Speaker 20 (37:22):
We're playing in Miami and were rolling at this time.
The system is system is really playing for itself. And
that's the cool part about the system. Once you get
into it, you just come to games. Man, you didne
did it so much and it flows. So we're going
to shoot around and we're leaving shoot around and we're
on the bus and them JS like, man, drop me
off here and drop him off at the bar. He say,

(37:42):
you gonna have some beers, right, Huh sayn have beers?
The okay, gonna have some beers. So he tells us
to pick him up on the way back to the game.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
We picked him up.

Speaker 20 (37:52):
He still got his sweats on, you know, MJ. Come
the game shooting and boot it all right, still got
his sweats on. Pick us up, you get on the bus. Yeah, man,
feeling good, right, bubbly gets me to be on it.
Got thirty at half all right, going through warm ups.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
Man, I'm seeing three rams.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
I'm gonna show that to one in the middle.

Speaker 20 (38:16):
Okay, that's hard, okay, and then told us if y'all
can't beat him, we don't need to win a championship.
Y'all can beat him without me. But came in there
and he got it done hurly. And when sat down, we're.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
Standing talking to KG and the next thing, Jr.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Is there.

Speaker 7 (38:31):
Hey, one of my favorite stories, you told one of
my idols is the story with this man that's coming
in right now.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
With my show. Yes, sure, hey, Extezu nudge all my
idols burn guy.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
Rider, big bro right here, boy, Hey, y'all.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
Don't even know many.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
This is my god right here, this is my god your.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
Favorite stories And if you guys missed it, you're gonna
get it today. So you guys were playing bulls in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
No, we was in Chicago, Chicago. It's my first time
back to the store. You got it.

Speaker 21 (39:07):
We're back in Chicago. I told you, I got like
twenty games under my belt. I figured it out. I
got my little rhythm. Jayall's All Star for him and
Chrystal Laighton. But we back in Chicago, so I'm just
fresh out of high school. We get back and I
got like three hundred, probably about three hundred guys in
the joint, you know, just they in the house.

Speaker 8 (39:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (39:25):
I got them right here too. They're like a little
bowl right here, so I can see everybody coaching everybody.
So I'm just in a different energy. My teammate got
crashed out and Ronnie, you remember Ronnie. Ronnie was in
a bad crash. So I didn't really get no sleep.
So I'm running on fumes anyway. Start the game, and yeah,
I'm having a decent game, and yeah I'm just feeling good.
I'm just being honest, like we're on some young wow

(39:47):
shit out here.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
You feel me?

Speaker 21 (39:49):
And then that whole thing man uh Jr. And it
kind of going at it. But Jay y'all winning that
you know, he's holding his own. So I'm just feeling good.
Come out to Tom out and I'm just like, hey, man,
keep going you know what I'm saying, saying you too, man,
So I go, Man, you're killing the small fucker man,
like you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna come down
and I'm just throwing some I'm just throwing some ship.

Speaker 1 (40:08):

Speaker 7 (40:10):
He can't figure out what's going on.

Speaker 8 (40:13):
I'm actually trying to help you, Like, dog, can you
get the phone on you? Okay?

Speaker 18 (40:18):
I'm like, Lord, it was hidden ones I've never heard before,
music I've never heard before.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Said I said, let me just turn it off. I
don't know what's going you need a minute.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Him and him and m J are going at it.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, they going at it.

Speaker 21 (40:32):
But in the time I would come out, you know,
if I'm being honest, it was just it just in
the rhythm of the game. So it ain't really nothing
too crazy. But he got it going. So I'm just
doing something, keep going tight whatever, right because we know
it's the bulls. So this is when they was the bulls.
So as we going into it, I was like, man,
keep killing that motherfucker.

Speaker 11 (40:50):
Man woo.

Speaker 21 (40:51):
So I just get on by myself. He understand I'm young,
and wow he let me yeah yeah, yeah. So when
I go off, he like, so I hear him and
MJ talking like yeah, and then ain't nobody really saying
that the mic like this? You know, Mike's so heavily
respected that you know what I'm saying. So I'm just
on some young bo I'm like, yeah, so I doubled
back ball ain't out yet?

Speaker 8 (41:12):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 21 (41:13):
So when I came back with it, yeah, keep kicking
his ass and then try to get out of He
was like, what is this saying? And then he was like, noah,
he don't know how we you know what I'm saying.
So he was like, nigga, y'all better. And then I
started them get a little extra aggressive with the conversation.
Was like, oh shit, what So he was like, hold on,
don't look at me, and that's all I heard you say.
And when I said that, I saw studying body language
and yeah the rest is history.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Crazy. What did he say to get you in the
hot seat? Nah? Nah, no, no, no.

Speaker 21 (41:40):
He was asking. He he asked me. He asked y'all
what I said. And then Jay y'all said he repeated,
he said, and then he kind of looked at me
and kind of put the hands on the hill, like
what did you say? I said, nigga, keep kicking his ass.
You busting this motherfucking ass and adapted. When we dapto
and I had to go, you know, I went back
over MG, had you repeat it? He said, what he's shaped?

(42:02):
Then he said he was.

Speaker 18 (42:03):
Right there, that's the that's the PG version, right, I
mean the reguard version is yeah. I mean I used
to have good games against Mike. I was quiet though,
fact right, because you don't want to make Mike up.
So he asked me prior to playing against the Bulls,
like how you be doing against Mike. I'm like, I
get my twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six,
is you know what I mean?

Speaker 11 (42:24):
I hold my own all my own.

Speaker 18 (42:26):
So we're playing and going to the four. I got
about nineteen something like that. I'm having I'm having a
good right on pace.

Speaker 11 (42:32):
I'm having a good game right right on Pays.

Speaker 8 (42:35):
I'm watching it and.

Speaker 11 (42:37):
He in Chicago. He's serving Scottie.

Speaker 18 (42:41):
He's really all around in that game, one of his
breakout games.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I feel point Scotty, so I'm dashed. I got Scotty
in the stands.

Speaker 11 (42:51):
Yeah, he was on some the Chicago Oakland ship.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
He was hyped.

Speaker 18 (42:58):
To the roof talking and it's quiet. He said, man,
you keep going that, Mike, and keep going at that
motherfucker and Mike right there.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
And we've been hyped all game, you know.

Speaker 10 (43:10):
Ship.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I went based like dunked on Mike.

Speaker 18 (43:12):
And I think robbing right, you know, right, he came
through the middle, dumk dom Loop Loop Louke Longley, nasty
and this way. Yeah, we was we was we was
talking ship, slapping hands, you know, we weren't quiet.

Speaker 8 (43:29):
We was having this right.

Speaker 21 (43:31):
We're young, wow but young and wow but but okay.

Speaker 18 (43:37):
Order had time amount the store. Yeah, absolutely, quickly walk
out the time out. Man, you keep killing this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Man. I hear him right, you know what I mean.
I hear you.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
So I'm looking hear me back when he'll do.

Speaker 18 (43:51):
That, and I'm like, you keep killing mother fuck he
can't funk with you, dog. I was like, I was like, right.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Right, right, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
Mike standing with a fly? Was it, by the way,
right right, young dude.

Speaker 18 (44:02):
This is my third season, this is first season. So
I'm young too. I'm with the ship, you know what
I mean. And that's how I played. So we we
vibe right away, you know what I mean. So, but
I'm like, man, this Mike Man. I grew up on
Mike Man. I remember seventh grade having his shoes on
stuff like that. That dude to give you fifty real fast, right,
So I'm like, uh right, right then he doubled down,

(44:23):
triple down. I think, say it again, Man strong for
this motherfucker right, keep killing this motherfucker man right, and you.

Speaker 11 (44:31):
Know kg B, you know he right here, you hear me,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (44:34):
So he ain't giving me nothing, no, he like yeah,
right right right, really get off, don't get piped. So
I get the and Mike right here, Mike right here
on the back of leg.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So Mike right here, like.

Speaker 8 (44:46):
On the back lig he on the back lid like
oh yeah yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
In the back y like old grandfather shoot the bubble gum.
And right there.

Speaker 18 (44:55):
You know what I mean. You got to be in trouble,
right type ship? Right, you get the switch right switched
leather belt on the switch? Which one you want up?
So we walked by Mike looking at me and looking
at KG and looking at me. So my spider and
sticks told me, you know, to go a little closer
to Mic and holler at him, right, I said.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Cool down a little bit.

Speaker 8 (45:16):
But this way he got that understanding.

Speaker 18 (45:17):
I said, Mike, Man, young boy, Man, he don't he
don't really know what time it is. You know what
I mean. He don't know the name of the game.
You know what I mean. And Mike said, Mike an't
really paying attention. He hear me, but he like killer Mode,
so's not registering. I said, I said, too late. I

(45:38):
didn't know, you know what I mean. I said, you know,
he don't know what you talking about. Man, Just you
know if they're talking being you know how it be.

Speaker 11 (45:43):
Man, You know what I mean. He don't know what's up.
You know what time it is? He's like, okay, all right,
all right.

Speaker 18 (45:50):
When the game started, all I know is they usually
run triangle, none of that.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I'm on him.

Speaker 18 (45:56):
And it seemed like the shake Contino and as even
you shake you to work, it seemed like everybody disappeared.

Speaker 11 (46:04):
I felt everything.

Speaker 18 (46:06):
By yourself, by myself, by yourself. Right, So he hadn't
done that the whole game, so he caught the ball.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
When he did, I don't know where the way.

Speaker 18 (46:16):
It was a little sign that they had and everybody
moved out the way right right. He did it four
or five times in a row. Bucket Yeah, found yeah,
and one and I jump. I jumped high. So he
is he had that fade away. He'd be leaning his
foot of like a his foot of touch you you
know what I mean. He'd be leaning right and I'm
on my I hit hands and one I said, damn right.

(46:40):
That was about his knife and ten points straight, you
know what I mean. So he wasn't done. Bam, found bam.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
And even hell you by yourself.

Speaker 18 (46:49):
Then he he was hitting about two tough shots. He
ran off about fifteen sixty seventeen word word business yeah,
yea yeah, that was about about four.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
Yeah, he was like fifteen straight.

Speaker 18 (47:01):
I sols that we could do nothing. I come back
and we come back. Yeah, we come back. It's a timeout.
We out of breath.

Speaker 21 (47:08):
We out of breath, not like like you can hear
you can hear us.

Speaker 18 (47:13):
I'm like, man, this is motherfucking KG talking ship to
my fucking right right. Nobody talked to fucking Mike.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Man. I gotta guard this moke fucking mind.

Speaker 11 (47:20):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (47:20):
Right, That's when he was crazy. No man, my fun jay,
my fun man. I said, oh good man, I told
you shut the funk up. Man, it's Mike nigga. I
gotta guard him. You ain't anybody ship like. And then
it hit me. I was like, damn, that was real.
I ain't went out there, are you right?

Speaker 18 (47:38):
You know it was a little defeated Mike talking ship
like y'all done. Ya ain't even gonna fight back. I mean,
oh got it?

Speaker 8 (47:44):
You got Oh yeah, yeah, y'all done like you got it?

Speaker 9 (47:47):
Man's like, man, I was telling him, may keep blesting
that niggas.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He wasn't giving me nothing back.

Speaker 11 (47:54):
Hey.

Speaker 21 (47:54):
I wanted him to give me some okay, yeah yeah yeah,
I want some wild ship like.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
Right right right, like right right, like right right.

Speaker 18 (48:04):
Look, I got it kg right here, Mike. I can
see y'all right, we play hoop right right. I could
see peripheral peripherals right. So I'm like, right, I've been
Mike right there a scene. Right, I'm like, man, this
U tripping, you know what I mean, Like like.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
You know how basketball is real? Right?

Speaker 18 (48:27):
So Mike was one of them killers, how cold, how
I feel Kobe became right, you know what I mean.
I've seen you know, like so Kobe my first three
years he was playing behind Eddie.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
He'd come in and you know, do what he do.
I'm already warm. I'm grown ass.

Speaker 18 (48:41):
Man twenty five six to twenty to twenty three, right,
you know so. But he had a hell of a crossover.
He's fast, and he really had that killer instinct. Mike
was a different animal altogether to me, right, and I'm
not trying to put nobody against nobody close.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Kobe is a close thing to come to Mike, period.

Speaker 18 (48:58):
I think right after Mike as far that wing play,
you know what I mean, That's what I feel. But
Mike had a different energy to him, and he had levels.
He could turn up two three four levels any reason.
Some people turn up a level or two. He turned
up two three four, right, and it's real.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You know.

Speaker 18 (49:19):
He didn't play with the ball, so he not gonna
cross it between the legs, you know, like the do
today rock drip about four or five times he's going,
he looking right at you, and he handling his business quick, intimidating.

Speaker 8 (49:30):

Speaker 21 (49:31):
We couldn't even help him because it was like two dribble,
pull up, one dribble, pull up fake Jeff.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
It was like, and that's the back when you have
to play one on one d you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
It was basic.

Speaker 21 (49:39):
And then listen, if you're at the top of the
key and you buy yourself and this just think about
top of the top of the three point line to
the free throw line.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Bro, we can't help you.

Speaker 21 (49:49):
So so it was like it was like it was
like it was that kind of bag of work where
Jay Alwards.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Just had to take it.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
But then we're going to nothing in and you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 21 (49:57):
You think they letting him be j They not calling
no fouls, you know what I'm saying, And he just
eating off that man. Bro shot the shot to them, yo,
because it was real. It was real and that was
an experience.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
I got the numbers from the game that night, so
the bulls end up winning by three KG. You had
sixteen points, fifteen rebounds. That was reaching for the young
boy that nineteen You feel me Jr. You had twenty
nine with seven.

Speaker 21 (50:23):
I told you, Bro, I told you, I told you, Bro, Bro,
I'm bro bro listen. Oh, I felt like I was
a fan. They got to sit on the beach. I
got to watch one of my favorite players play every night.
And then I'm watching them play Clyde Mitch Spree, I'm
watching them play.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
You feel me?

Speaker 21 (50:39):
So I'm like, Man, we've been argument in the barber
shop and man, j y'all run and shit might be shaking.

Speaker 8 (50:44):
Bitch, second chewing guard in the league. Shit, I said,
every night. Shit he postioning people up. Blah blah blah. Man, mother, shit,
I told you had twenty nine broad knew that.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
Wow the show man running Maxwell. Michael Jordan said about Maxwell,
something's wrong with it, guy Kenny, he fights me every day.
That brings his son wearing air. Jordan apperil what prompted
him to say that? What's he talking about? Mike?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
He said, God, right now, but no, Mike, Mike is
the greatest man. Mike is the best player I ever
played against.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Man, your hands.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Down, Man, never saying nothing like this ship.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Make it work?

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Though, Oh yeah, I'm gonna make it work.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I was, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
I said that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
But that's all I could do, just like, you know,
cut down his percentage. You can't never stop, No motherfucker
like that.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
You gotta make it tough.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
You know it is, man, you know you know you
got to make a tougher motherfucker like that. So that's
all I was trying to do. Make it tougher that motherfucker.
And he was already bigger than me. Ship, I'm sixfold.
I ain't never wore one hundred and ninety five pounds
so in my life, and my biggest weight I was
one ninety four so, and this motherfucker was to eighteen
and six six and jumping everywhere ever I turn around

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looking at the bottom rep motherfucker shooting mother. The motherfucker
done spent off me and just tuk off. I ain't
never see a motherfucker just spend and jump at the
same time.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
I man, just just gone, just gone. I was like, good,
Ship is crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Man, do you do you do you have a moment?

Speaker 9 (52:19):
O G do you have a moment when he was
playing against him and he did something when you weren't
out of court.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Like yeah, man, now, yeah, that's what I used to
do all the time. This motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I'd be like, man, I know I just played the
best fucking defense on this mother and he spent on
me this one time in Houston. You know, everybody coming
out there. All them bitches came out there to see
mikeel everybody you know here they come and see Mike.
And I said, yeah, this motherfucker got this nigga jersey
all morning.

Speaker 22 (52:45):
They got Max.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Quit old Max for the night.

Speaker 11 (52:55):
Gotta go out here.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
His mother, So this mother.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Was spending on men.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Don't sit out of me.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It hit me on my ass when he's running back.
I grabbed when I went and grabbed his mother. Man,
keep your motherfucker, do not touch me, motherfucker. Keep your
hands to your motherfucker self. Well we love Mike is
the best, right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Go, Welcome to the show. Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
Talk to us about how you developed a friendship with
Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
Well, how did that happen?

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (53:30):
It started with that the one thing that's in the dock. Yeah,
and uh, this just this opportunity just fell out of
the sky. There was this show, short lived show pitting
actors against athletes in their in their respective sports right.
And and the card we drew was was Jordan in

(53:52):
a in a two on one and it was me
and my dad and so.

Speaker 10 (53:58):
We didn't.

Speaker 23 (53:59):
I mean, we were just like, sure, why not, we'll
get embarrassed on on national television together, you know.

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Yeah, he was something happened that.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Day before, guess so yeah about that.

Speaker 23 (54:21):
No, it was just one of those things because you know,
I I I never played on a team. I just
played baseball, you know. But I shot with Dad in
the backyard like my whole childhood. In fact, I had
to grow taller than him so I could finally block
his baby hook one day because that thing tortured me,

(54:43):
tortured me, and like I, I willed myself to reject it.
And so he and I were, you know, we we
we'd accepted the gig and and and he was like,
you know, what's our plan against this guy?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
And I was like, I don't.

Speaker 10 (54:58):
I don't. I don't have one.

Speaker 23 (55:00):
But if we just spread the floor, if we just
don't get you know, clumped up, I don't think he
can guard two people at the same time.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
But I don't know if he could do that right.

Speaker 23 (55:11):
And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man,
do not do not roll out that that hook shot
on him, because he's gonna block it with his armpit.
And there's a if you ever get a chance to
see that whole game, not just what's in the dock.
There's a moment where Dad does a head Fig tries
it and Jordan blocks it with his elbow. Yeah it

(55:31):
was awesome, but yeah, he but he had to shoot
his free throws with his eyes closed, so you know,
bit hamstrung there.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
We've actually done that in the game though.

Speaker 23 (55:44):
Yeah, wow, damn because somebody was, uh, he was what
what like what instigated that?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Normally normally talking trash to somebody. Braun tried it too.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
That's awesome.

Speaker 24 (56:01):
Here it is right here, Kobe did it like that?

Speaker 23 (56:18):
Well I saw that in person. So yeah, So then
I got his number after that, and we stayed in touch,
and then I would go, you know, when I could
afford it, right when I'm you know, a p after platoon, right,

(56:39):
and I would fly out to Bulls home games, you know,
and so I was kind of stalking him as well,
you know. But yeah, and then then we did uh,
then we worked together on a on a on a
commercial campaign, we did Haynes, we sold underwear together, you know,
So that was that was pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you eating
him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later. Yes, yes,
he raised it from his memory. We were doing this interview.

Speaker 23 (57:09):
And uh, it was like a behind the scenes thing
just for their their content reel. And and so the
guy the interview asked about that game and I'm like, well, yeah,
I'm not here to rub it in his face. But
did yeah, And he's like, no, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
No, you didn't.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
Uh uh you did not.

Speaker 23 (57:28):
And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's
on video. He was like, don't matter, don't matter.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
You didn't win, you didn't win.

Speaker 23 (57:38):
And I just thought, wow, I guess if you could
just convince yourself of something like powerful, change the outcome.
But no, he's a he's a he's a lovely man.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 23 (57:50):
There was a time when I would text him and
this dude would literally respond in like fifteen or twenty seconds.
And I never did it like in front of people
to show off, like watch how quickly MJ gets back
to me. Right, No, But I was just like, wow,
it's but I would use it like that's now the
bar and I would tell my friends, I'm like, dude,

(58:12):
it's been like four hours Michael Jordan responded, So it
was a valuable tool.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
For me, you know.

Speaker 23 (58:20):
Oh and then so I missed. I think I missed
my first free throw, right, but then I hit I
hit eight in a row, and then on the last shot,
he's he's seated like three feet from me, and just
under his breath he goes choke and I missed the
last one. Yeah, so he got in my head, you know,

(58:41):
hasn't he?

Speaker 7 (58:41):
Yes, that he just erased it from a memory, so
it never happened.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's that sound like?

Speaker 23 (58:48):
I mean it why why is there even a debate?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Right right?

Speaker 7 (58:52):
Never?

Speaker 23 (58:53):
I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
That Welcome to the stage.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
Larry Johnson to Space jam picture. Yeah, oh yeah, get
us about what you mean. You're gonna get into what
talk to us about space gym and what what was that?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
What that was like?

Speaker 8 (59:18):
Can I tell y'all story? I hook y'all laughing?

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Then what was that called?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Right there? That was?

Speaker 8 (59:23):
That was your ladies and gentlemen. That was Michael.

Speaker 21 (59:26):
They built that because Mike, I think we was there
a month a little over month. Mike was there the
whole summer. So they built this like this is like
a gym for him to practice in and get down in.
And it was better than some arenas. Bro the shower was.
This was unreal. And it was ball games every day.
And you know the lot of cats in LA. So
they was coming down Reggie, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (59:48):
And and you guys see what's my big guy name,
Sean Bradley. If you show that picture, guess who I
hung out with for a month. Money had Sean Bradley
was me. And guess something. Ne Uggs was hurt. Mugs
was hurt. Muggs had just had knee surgery. Doing this
whole if I don't know if y'all saw space, Yeah,

(01:00:08):
doing this whole film, he was never walking. It's a
scene where we was walking. They was pulling him on
the trolley. He couldn't walk. They was pulling him on
the Charley Mugs. So I couldn't hang out with Mugs.
He was just he was in the room all the time.
Me and Sean was kind of hanging out man Sean Bradley. Yeah,
good dude, good dude.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
What was it like though? I mean, that's that that
movie that experienced.

Speaker 21 (01:00:27):
Oh no, no, it's my story. So I had a fade, right,
I had for everybody got a ball here. Mugs just
got a regular cut. That's easy to do, and Pat,
you know when you probably got to work a little bit,
but work a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
Pack out of what is that? What is that hot?
What is that hot? Time?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Pack out?

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
But I had that's that Steve Hardy before Steve Harut, I.

Speaker 21 (01:00:51):
Had a blended fade right, and they had a tali
in barber and I went there the first day. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, that's what he was. I went there the
first day. I said, say, man, because they say you're
gonna be here, and I said, can you do this?

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Oh, no problem, no problem, No brother.

Speaker 21 (01:01:07):
About five days he's later say man, getting a little bit,
can you do this to fade it?

Speaker 7 (01:01:11):
No problem, no problem, no problem.

Speaker 21 (01:01:14):
About that tenth day when I went to get a cut,
he started off with sizzles. He did all sizzles. I
know I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked and he
was trying to fade me with sizzles. Brothers, and I'm like,
i know I'm fucking He got me turned away from
the mirror and it was like ten minutes lady talking
about I'm done. I turned around, had a bowl cut

(01:01:35):
around my mother. This was a bowl, bro. I say, man,
I ain't And I went to my trailer and Muggsy
Muggs little fucker ass. Muggsy cab it there be cause
they was waiting on me on set and Muggsy carvey
it there. He said, say, man, be waiting on you,
and he saw about heir this bust out laughing right.
I say, man, I ain't going it there, ain't going
it up. He said, all right, man. He went back
there told every last one of the motherfuckers that didn't

(01:01:57):
cave it, I ain't never seen you by a drag
like this before. He was over the floor. They was
giving it to me and T T. K Carter. Anybody
know him. He's one of the actors, man, he was.
He was dudes on the he's one of the actors.
They had about five or six actors that are trying
to teach us how to act in a short amount

(01:02:19):
of time. But this dude TK Carter looked at me,
said come on, LJ and took me to a barbershop
right down the street and.

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
In fifteen minutes, dude blending, yeah, brother, blend.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Fucked up for a minute, though, I.

Speaker 8 (01:02:30):
Ain't never seen Mike like that. I ain't never seen
Mike and Charles barkle like that. They was giving it
to me all over my floor. I get your ass
out of here.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
Let's welcome enough, go ahead, just shoot. You'll come about
because you've been a lifer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, let's let's yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
I was baking some golf gear in the back. We
were the same size. I ain't seen the ship.

Speaker 15 (01:02:53):
Hey, listen, listen, man, you could have never told me
it was like gonna be what it has become. And
you know, a family situation like that. But uh, we started.
I was a dude that wasn't you know, I got
picked eighteen eighteen pick. Ain't about to really break the
bank on O. Shoot if you get a shoot it
at all. So, like you know what I'm saying, We
was trying to figure out shit out. He was the
he was the third third pick. Yeah, the highest high

(01:03:14):
school pick up at that point.

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
You know, yes, sir, give that, give it up up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
You know KG was previously number five. Black came in
and rewrote that.

Speaker 15 (01:03:24):
But like so we was trying to get a deal,
and like our agent, I wasn't getting I was getting
off of for just a pair of deals. He was
getting what what our agent felt like was lowball, and
then we was at uh. We went to Jordan campus
flight school out of trying to borrow for the kids
and ship that everybody would go to, and we had
all of this and one ship they had just gave.
They was giving up so much ship bro it was crazy.

(01:03:46):
We had all this and one ship. So we got
through hooping. The one day we icing down and.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Fuck, y'all got all this ship off four and we
was just.

Speaker 15 (01:03:53):
Like shit, like you know, and like we didn't know
he had, you know, Jordan brand and that was all
starting and ship and he was like, y'all get rid
of that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Man, Like y'all gonna be with me.

Speaker 15 (01:04:02):
And were like okay, Like we didn't really know what
that meant, but we like, we're gonna be with him.

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
So we was, yeah, you at least get into a club.

Speaker 25 (01:04:11):
Then finally the next the next morning, our agent called us,
was like, man, what y'all do we like what you're
talking about? He was like, man, they just sent me
over a contract. Y'all find the sign with Jordan's Wow,
yeah you do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 15 (01:04:26):
Shut all that down I went from getting a pair
of DEAs and some cash in fight right here.

Speaker 25 (01:04:32):
So you know, once we've seen that, you know we
was fool with After that you already couldn't tell you ship,
But after that, it was all the way over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
It was a whole another game. Now now we're Jordan's down. Jordan, dudes, Bro,
that was a stamp of appoof bro. I was like,
min mind went way different than that. You had to
get to the bobcat.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
Was at that time, Jack get boxes every leap year.

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
Well, what it is is, at the time I got
my joint deal, I was wearing proteges.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
If y'all don't know what protege.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Is, hold on talking about out come out. So Jack
the first time, shout out Harrington. By the way, I
saw our brother the first time he bought protege in
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
What happened? We made a check off that bitch. Let
me start there, Okay, but it also almost the end
of his career.

Speaker 9 (01:05:18):
It definitely, it definitely ended my almost in my end
of my It was some bullshit ass ship ship. Stephan
gave us a game. This is one I knew he
was a real friend.

Speaker 15 (01:05:26):
I knew he was a real friend because supposed to
that ship, I was like your son and A like stack,
I need you to get in with I need you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I'm like cool, you're my nigga. The worst decisions ever made.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
I end up breaking my toe and playing these ships
right for three years, I think every quarter at every
time out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
If you wanted to know my moves, you have to
watch the tape. Just the black marks was all on
the court, so you can see everywhere I went right
w as Shoes called prote.

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
Very first game though, he made a move he made
I don't know if it was a left right or
right to left, but he came out like the soul
went that way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I need another Paul. This is like two minutes in
the game.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
Game just started. I said, oh shit.

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
So then I get I get to I get traded
to Charlotte with M Jed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I'm playing in them shits. I make a move, I
come out. I got my toe hanging out the mubles.
I come to the sideline. I'm sending the ball boy
to the back to get m saying like hold on,
hold on, what's that? What's that? What is that? Like no, no, no, no,
bring him some J's brought me some jays. He felt
so bad for me. Dog. The next day, I had
a John contract in my locker.

Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
It was a charity case.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
God damn. Say, you know sometimes I take it with Upda.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Mike adopted Jeff. Hey, my dudes, look at that poor
little boy over there. Let's get him twe You were
someone that got to play with him in the summertime,
but then against them on the biggest stage. What was
that effect like in getting to go head ahead against Mike?

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
My first three years.

Speaker 26 (01:06:52):
I came in the league in ninety six, so I
went against the three the last three championships ninety six,
ninety seven, ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I went one, one and eleven. Damn yeah, we went
one eleven.

Speaker 26 (01:07:04):
I didn't play against him in the playoffs, but I
was still kind of like a little fan too, because
I came in at nineteen and I kind of grew
up watching the Bulls. So I was a little fan.
But I got my revenge when he came back to
the Wizards.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
Okay, it's never too late. It's never too late.

Speaker 26 (01:07:20):
Yeah, when he came back to the Wizards, that's when
I got my day. So these guys know, because obviously
Darris and Q was with me in the summertime. So
got a phone call two thousand and one. He was like, hey, man,
I heard you guys in the gym. I need y'all
back with me. I'm like, oh, they're like yes, Michael Jordan,
y'all remember you can call people private back in the day,
so he called me private.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
It was okay.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
He was like, yeah, I need you back in the
gym with me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
So I called all the guys.

Speaker 26 (01:07:46):
We all worked out together every day anyway, and he
moved our run over to Hoops Gym over in the
West Loop if you guys familiar with that. MJ rented
the whole gym out for the summer and we just
started working out together. We had to pretty much, and
they know this. We had to go off his routine.
We played every day at two o'clock, but you have
to do your individual work before two o'clock and then

(01:08:07):
you play pickup ball and some of the most legendary
runs you ever wanted to be a part of. If
you lose, you may not get back on the court.
It was thirty thirty five pros. You had everybody flying in.
I remember you guys mentioned Lebron James. He was sixteen.
He came in to play with us. He probably didn't
play till like the tenth game. I felt bad for him.
He flew out the way up to play. But it's thick.

(01:08:29):
It's thirty pros in the gym. That's already established.

Speaker 15 (01:08:31):
When and then the twin took him to the fifty
yard line.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
What's the fifty yard line?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
And dn twin took him to the fifty yard.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Man was a special party for somebody, y'all.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
So it's the fifty yard line.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
No tracks, Lebron James, and we ain't going in.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
We ain't going that way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
We ain't going that way. But now that was my
experience with Mike, So I got the opportunity. I'm not
gonna little kill me with that. I got a chance
to be.

Speaker 26 (01:09:05):
Around Mike every day man and see his work ethic,
just like these guys like me and Dari's kid. We
got a chance to be around him and see how
great he was and the work after he put in
and then see him do it at thirty seven thirty
eight to get back in the league with something special
to see. So those are memories I would always remember.
We hung out and they know, guys know that we
hung out. Move was four days, four or five days

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a week. We were together every day. Mike was so three.

Speaker 15 (01:09:30):
Like he he rented the hoops out right then it
was like a joint parking lot. That was like, whatever
the fuck it was. He turned that ship into his steakhouse,
this restaurant. There wasn't nothing. I remember that after the
workouts go from the workout, they about to play called.
I ain't gambled with these motherfuckers. I was smart, but
I watched. I saw, I watch, I've seen it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
I seen it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:52):
But they out there like if you get you go
over there, food, all this ship, wine, all that ship.
They there smoking cigar, kicking it for hours. I'm like,
I ain't with none of this ship. I'm gone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 26 (01:10:05):
It was one of the you know, one of the
obviously greatest moments of my life. To be around the
greatest and to see how he worked and how he
went about his preparation to get prepared, especially at that age.
So I just I learned a lot. And they know
how he was. He was super competitive. He wanted to
win every day. If you won't win, you weren't winning.
You didn't mean anything to him. He didn't care about.
He don't like losers. You gotta win. So you just

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learned a lot in this competitive spirit and how he
how he liked to do things. So that was one
of the most memorable times in my life. To be
able to play against Mike for two years and be
around him and it's in his personal space and to
see how he does it on an everyday basis was
something special for me.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Not a lot of people say that we got to do.

Speaker 7 (01:10:44):
Ship talking was crazy. He like, what kind of ship
talking was going on?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
That was like talking?

Speaker 9 (01:10:50):
And he say, crazy, ship you never want nothing? Yeah,
he told me I wasn't ship. We was losing too.
And Charlotte, he came in practicing and had his weight
with us. Bro talk to us bad every time, man,
everybody every championship with the average and everything. We couldn't
say nothing, and we were showing that he was badly
making the playoffs and how we gonna get six Championshipsig.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
Dude, what was that ship talking like back in the days?

Speaker 25 (01:11:14):
It's Mike used to like. I remember my first me
first being around Mike. I couldn't believe he cussed. What
I called my mama was like man, Mike cuss like us.
He was just cussing like us, like but ten Twine
like Twine and super shit talking you know him in

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the gym. It just kept the momentum in the gym
and the atmosphere in the gym with Mike and Twine
and different guys you had balls and there like Mike Finn.
He ain't used to say shit, but he used being there,
bus and folks truly, you know what I'm saying. So
the ship talking used to be at an all time high.

Speaker 15 (01:11:52):
Stack listen, let me tell you the dope is like
Stack did some of the most ball of shit I
thought at that point, was like some of the coldest
shit ever, Like he was playing for the Pistons. Then Stack,
you know, country boy had a big ass boat. He
brought a boat over with his two rows voices on
that bitch and stage like Rember stayed for like two
months and had we.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Thought he they came up with my boat. That's hard.

Speaker 15 (01:12:16):
We started calling him up for a stack dollar, me
and my homeboy stack dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I say that, I said, that boat over this bitch
Michigan that was so cold to me is hard. That's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Yeah, s O G.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
The legend.

Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
Andre Watt Marita quote here. I consider Hi one of
the best fighters of all time. He had a sense
of class about him, which which I absolutely loved. He
wasn't your typical boxer. When you hear that from Michael
Jordan's what does that make you think?

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
That's big? Anything coming from Mike, that's Mike.

Speaker 27 (01:12:52):
You know, Mike don't comment on everybody, so you know,
and that's one of the reasons why he signed me,
and Mike don't sign everybody, so it's it's big man.
I appreciate it, and I'm comfortable, man, with the legacy
I left, you know, in the ring. If they would
have called me a couple of years before, they probably
would have got the other guy they was looking for it,
you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, to turn up

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and all of that, They probably would have got that.
But you know, for me, man, God had brought me
through a lot and I was still changing even when
I turned I was still in the process of becoming
you know what I'm saying. And I had seen a
lot of that stuff growing up, you know, And I
don't knock nobody in how they get down, but for me,
I was like, man, I'm a fierce competitor. You're not

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gonna step on me. And no promotion or nothing like that,
no press conference. But I'm gonna try to do this
in a classic way. You're gonna you're gonna feel my presence,
but I'm gonna try to do this in a classic way,
your way, the way I felt like I would do it,
because at the end of the day, I knew my
career was gonna be over it at a certain point
in time, and I'm not trying to build this monster
that I got.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
To live with now and retire, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 27 (01:13:57):
I dropped my kids off at school. You know, I'm
able to still do business. You're talking about it all
the time, doing business and these projects and stuff like that.
I wanted to have a life outside of this sport,
and sometimes the sport wants you to crash out and
they don't care what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
To you after at all at all.

Speaker 27 (01:14:13):
So I've been able to make a great living outside
of box and being retired six years now, and.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
I ain't took it through a punch in six six years.
That's what that was the goal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
That was Jordan. Let's talk about or because I'm under
Joyan too.

Speaker 19 (01:14:27):
But Who's your Reggie was one of my reps mark raveling.

Speaker 9 (01:14:30):
So for me that was growing up not being able
to afford them and have been sponsored by Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
That was the best feeling, one of the best ones
I ever had in life.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Man, talk about it, getting them boxes, them elite.

Speaker 7 (01:14:42):
Listen, you still get them?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Yes, yeah, I need to find your rep.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
I got a boxing about four months.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:14:48):
Hey, Larry Miller, that's my brother.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Man.

Speaker 19 (01:14:53):
Larry said, Man, you're a Jordan athlete for life.

Speaker 27 (01:14:56):
I said, Mary, hold you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Always all through it too.

Speaker 19 (01:15:01):
Yeah, But man, like, I don't know what it is
with me and shoes.

Speaker 27 (01:15:05):
Always was a shoe person. I look at your shoes first,
and I look at everything else.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
You can tell a lot some clean shoes you can
tell a lot that.

Speaker 27 (01:15:14):
I just I used to call my grandmother Grammy, what
shoes you got on? I just That's how it always was.

Speaker 19 (01:15:20):
And my dad used to tell me, he said, this boy,
ever get some money off a whole lot of shoes.

Speaker 9 (01:15:24):
Dude, and do clean shoes. It's just like looking at
the one with opatow shoes on at he ain't done.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
They beat up.

Speaker 27 (01:15:31):
That's a lot but that but that's also the culture
in the bay too, Like we'll have some some Jordan's
on and some regular jeans and a white T shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
Yeah, long was your shoes clean?

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Yeah? You all right?

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Yeah, it's the same way today.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
How did the conversation and the deal come together for
the Jordan thing? And what was that first conversation with Mike?
Like did you almost pass out when you met him?

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Man?

Speaker 27 (01:15:51):
I was, I don't get in I don't really like
get in all with a lot of people, and not
from a disrespectful standpoint. I just you know, it's like
that's so and so that's cool. But Mike is did
is different?

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
Mike got an r about it, like he not even trying.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
He just Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
So they just you know, they had that.

Speaker 27 (01:16:07):
I was on the radar and it was a lot
of you know, back and forth and they'll send me
a couple of boxes and stuff like that, and it
was a lot of talking. But you know, it's a
couple of years of that and then then we finally
locked in a deal. But Mike, man, he got he
got all Man, he got he got it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
He walk in the room.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Walking right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Now, everything on stop.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
He don't want nothing fake around him.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
Yeah, he don't want no fans. He want everything family
in genuine. He don't want like he a normal dude.

Speaker 28 (01:16:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:16:32):
He talked crazy and he competing to this day, whether
he golfing, and you know he like to play cards
and stuff. Man, I got a lot of love from
Mike Man, a lot of love. When I was getting
ready to do the documentary. My brother, uh, Deontay Thoms,
and we grew up together and he worked with small productions,
and uh, he was like.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
Bro, we gotta get Mike. Like, Bro, I'm not calling Mike,
not doing it.

Speaker 27 (01:16:53):
So he was going back and forth for weeks, and
I said, bro, I'm not calling Mike, but he said, bro,
just calling You got to be able to do stuff
like this. If we're gonna make this doc, do what
to do? All right, But I'll call him. So I
called Larry Miller. I said, Larry Man, look, I know
Mike busy.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
So I did that whole thing. He said, let me
let me make.

Speaker 27 (01:17:11):
A phone calling and see what's up. He called me
right back, said Mike want you to call him?

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Mad up? So I called him. Man.

Speaker 27 (01:17:19):
We flew out to North Carolina, to the facility. We
knocked it out. That was the easiest interview we did.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
That's how Mike is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I did us a last car.

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
We still ain't got to sit down with him, but
that's how he.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Did car like Mike ms. It's a little different. But yeah,
we ain't talk to him that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
We still wasn't on the interview, but he said he's
with us.

Speaker 27 (01:17:42):
This I called Mike kids though. So we were all
in like a boardroom at the facility.

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
He come in there scanning shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You better not have nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
I was good, you know, I was good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Mike.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
One of my one of my guys had on some
Adidas though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
He don't care if it's Guccia or whatever. If it
ain't your and it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
They take like people that's in that industry. Oh it's serious.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Yeah, he take this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
He came in, what's something like everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
You know, everybody?

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
What's up with your man? I'm like, what you mean?
I said, but I told you, bro not to wear them.

Speaker 19 (01:18:15):
We can get it right, man, But yeah, yeah, your
boy good.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
But he got he ain't right. He ain't right for that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
You make him take his shoes off almost damn near Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
We went to NASCAR.

Speaker 7 (01:18:24):
How the NASCAR team they got them all, they won.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Jordan's about changing tires.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
They take it here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
It's crazy taking here, take everybody though, that's dope. Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
Any truth that he would text you had a fight
sometimes or before fights.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
He just send me voice memos all that. Yeah, And.

Speaker 27 (01:18:45):
I'm not comparing myself to Mike, but man, we got
a lot of the same juice and mentality in terms
of like it's win or die.

Speaker 19 (01:18:54):
It ain't no win or lose, win or die period.
And people be like, hello, you come on, man, you're
taking it too far.

Speaker 27 (01:18:59):
No, That's how I felt like I used to think
in training camp on them tough days, like, man, what
Sunday night, late night gonna feel like after this fight
Sunday morning when I wake up, I'm thinking about looking
at my wife and my kids, and I remember the
last loss I had and what I felt like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
You said at fourteen, though, Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 27 (01:19:18):
John reveris from Baton Rouge, Louisiana Country. We was in Lenxic,
Kansas at the National Silver Gloves Nationals and we in
opposite brackets fourteen fifteen year old division, so he was fifteen.
So he's a little bit older, and I'm out boxing
people doing my thing, and it's three rings, so you
kind of see like, man, you fighting.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
But then the dude you might fight, he fighting in
this ring right after.

Speaker 27 (01:19:38):
So I'm watching him the whole week and he knocking
dudes out, bang bang, they going out, man, And I
remember seeing them around the hotel.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
And I didn't tell.

Speaker 27 (01:19:47):
Verse this, but that's the last time I ever got
intimidated and allowed myself to get beat before I got
in the ring a mental side, and I wasn't spooke like,
oh my god, but I was like, well, he kind
of strong, like I had a little hea about me.
It was a closed decision. Of course, I thought I won.
I should have got the nod, but deep down I

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knew when I was going home, I'm on the Southwest flight,
had a whole road on myself, curled up in the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
I remember that.

Speaker 27 (01:20:14):
I remember looking at Verger's face and looking at my
assistant trainer's face. I remember being home that week and ah, man,
you lost hunh. I remember that, and I never wanted
to feel that again. And I made up my mind
that day nobody will ever beat me before they get
in the ring with me again.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
They gonna have to earn it.

Speaker 27 (01:20:30):
I let your appearance, and I let you being a
little older, and the way you was taking care of
your business getting.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
Me never again, Never again. Favorite J Eleven's for sure.

Speaker 27 (01:20:42):
Really I love eleven God, I love elevens, But I
also love the ones too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
He's the first person I heard.

Speaker 19 (01:20:51):
I love the ones because I can dress them up
and dress them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
But you got I'm gonna give you a chance. What's
your favorite?

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
And I love for to story.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Yeah, I love all the ones I couldn't afford when.

Speaker 27 (01:21:03):
I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
Like I couldn't get there, the.

Speaker 9 (01:21:05):
Threes and four us, that's the dope boys growing up,
they had them on the block.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
That's the ones we always wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
The ones I couldn't afford them, the ones I gravitate
to the moment.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
You ever consider using some retros and and and shape
them in the boxing shoes?

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
Yeah, I would love to.

Speaker 27 (01:21:18):
Man, Like we we took a couple of runs at
it with the with the Jordan team man, and we
weren't able to like get something that can go out.
But like I got that kind of mind, man, Like
I think about like that kind of stuff all the
time because I'm you know, I'm a creative type and
it's a need for that kind of stuff in boxing.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Like GE's some shoes out there. Most of them are
not great.

Speaker 27 (01:21:37):
You got a few that's like they okay, But we
need something that's like a standard test of time. It's
like Rory's uh boxing boot, you know that he had
with Jordan.

Speaker 19 (01:21:45):
That thing lasted over a decade strong, and.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
I might be putting something out like that one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Come on, Mike, you hear him.

Speaker 7 (01:21:53):
Welcome to the show, Josh around this time. Uh, you know,
Jordan is on his way up, and you guys to
beat the bull Street three consecutive years, and you guys
have something called the Jordan rule.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Yeah, talk to us about that.

Speaker 29 (01:22:10):
Another thing you would have liked, Matt, because push him left.
That's that's your Jordan rule. Rights, that's all I'm allowed
to give away.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
It's still top secret, no, but we're going to be there.

Speaker 29 (01:22:25):
The deal is this, you push him left right. If
he catches the ball on the left side, push him left.
He's not going to pass it right. Kobe is not
the chucker. Michael is the checker. Kobe shots go in.
Michael kept shooting until they went in. But Mike, Mike

(01:22:47):
was deadly. So when he caught the ball on the
left elbow, push him left. And Joe can do that
all day because Joe two hundred and twenty pounds. And
when he picks the ball up, go back to your
man because he's not going to pass it. He's going
to shoot it. And when he comes in the middle,
put him on his back. So if he's on the

(01:23:07):
right side, he goes left, that's when he turned his
body this way and stick his tongue out.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
And that's when I asked, well, right when he went
down right there.

Speaker 29 (01:23:16):
As soon as he goes left, as soon as he
gets foot in the paint, foulo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
And it's just a regular foul. Yeah, everybody gets.

Speaker 29 (01:23:25):
But don't know tic tac files meaning for anybody out there,
don't pull your hand back. Foul through right foul him
hit him and used to be allowed to do that,
used to be allowed to you know, even if a
guard was coming to the lane there was a big man,
a big man turned and bumped into you and you
hit the ground. RAF wouldn't call that because yo, ash,

(01:23:47):
you're not supposed to be in there but the big man,
and he's just turning his body.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
We also knew to go after Scottie.

Speaker 29 (01:23:57):
So the other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the
ball with Scotty, make everybody else try to beat us.
And that said, when he caught the ball, all eyes
was on Michael because he's not going to pass to
your man. You don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson,
and by your ear, he ain't passing it. So as
soon as he puts the ball down, everybody come, everybody,

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every and they got you watching on film. They would start, hey,
what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes. He's not
passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael
would put the ball every which way, not to give
it to one of his one of his team.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
You got a chance to play with him later. Did
you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?
Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got
him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you
guys ever discussed being teammates at one point?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:24:48):
When I when I they didn't have to ask him.
But when I came on to the team, he said,
you wear a Nike, right, So I said, yes, sir,
got it. He said, what's side? You were so ad fifteen?
He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just
making sure you ain't, you know, doing no craziness over there.
The next day I came in. My whole locker was

(01:25:10):
full of Alonzo morning sneakers because Elonzo used to get
them first, and they were red and white, and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Then I got him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah, you know.
That was that. And he would always ask us questions.

Speaker 29 (01:25:25):
He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and have answers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Answers he would ask Bood and.

Speaker 29 (01:25:32):
He said, man, when we would come in and like
I said, if we knew that we was in his head,
we would have never lost. We didn't know how intense
or how much we were in his head. I remember
we were playing and I go in and I see
him myself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
After the game. He goes, yeah, yeah, you after the game,
I got the Ferrari. You're gonna show you. I can't wait.
We beat him.

Speaker 29 (01:25:56):
I come out and said, what's up, man, get away
from me, what happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,
he's sensitive. Like, Hey, where I'm gonna eat tonight? Like
I said, I was intense when those numbers was up.
I would very very focused. But when we would talk,

(01:26:18):
he would ask us. He would ask us, did we
try to hurt him? We were like, Nah, if you
went left, we hit you. We went left in the middle,
you got we stopped you in the paint. Because he
can ignite a whole nation by dunking on somebody. And
you can see sometime he would go and we would
all come and then he would try to get a
shot off and hit the floor. We're not catching him,

(01:26:39):
step over him and keep running. And we knew, we
knew that his teammates looked to him for everything, everything,
and we would punk everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Welcome to the show, Muggsy Bows. You got a chance
to play against CMJ in college. You guys are in
the league at the same time, you start to see
him build his legends. Uh, any great memorable matchups or
stories against MJ.

Speaker 30 (01:27:04):
You could share, Well, you know MJ he always liked like, well,
I will say, you always like to fuck with me.
You know you know that, you know he just that's
just on one another when we come in contact. I
mean even off the court to this to this day,
you know, walking around, he'll put his hand up high, trying,
you know, for me to give him a high five,

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and I'll put my hand down low and then you come.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Down and give me a low five. So it's just
it's just not compete.

Speaker 30 (01:27:31):
I mean, compete against one another. But but but am man,
you know you always tell you especially with me and
playing the game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
You know, Lord, it was.

Speaker 30 (01:27:42):
Some stuff that's going on in the internet where they
say that he called me a midget, which is not true,
and they felt like he had some kind of impact,
which is not true. He always called me short, little fella.
Yeah you need law ass. He always call me law
ass and that short stuff. So we playing against them.
Of course, he got the ball. He just came back

(01:28:03):
from from retirement. He got the ball up in there,
and I'm at him. I'm playing on the baseline.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
One on one.

Speaker 30 (01:28:10):
Of course, everybody and my team know that I don't
like help. Don't come and help me. I don't care
any where they guys don't come out because yeah, no,
no back and try to back me down because guys
ain't used to playing their back to the backs anyway.
But anyway, this particular moment, and I guess it became
infamous because he got as a card that's out where

(01:28:31):
he holding the ball up, and I'm looking right at
him and I'm talking and I'm talking ship to him.
I'm telling him, come on, what you're gonna do. And
then all of a sudden he start to try to
back me in, and try to back me in, and
try to back me in, and then all of a
sudden he tried to turn around shoot his little jumper.
I smacked it down. But they call illegal defense on

(01:28:51):
somebody because they wasn't that they was on to cross
the line. But I always fucking with that. Tell him, look,
you know, you know there was a steal on you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
You know.

Speaker 30 (01:29:02):
You know that ball, that ball defender. I'm gonna make
you think about that when you got that ball in
your hand.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
The one and only Charles Barkley m v P that
season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to
Magic about, you know, his back and forth with Isaiah
and Isaiah and MJ's beef or whatever that may be.
You and MJ were really close and haven't spoke in

(01:29:29):
some time. Is there is there light at the end
of the tunne with that. Do you feel like you
guys can mind that?

Speaker 10 (01:29:36):
That would be on his end, Matt.

Speaker 31 (01:29:39):
He was my best friend at the time, and I
love the guy and I missed the guy, but you know,
I gotta do my job. What I said was, I said,
first of all, I don't think it's fair for me
to critique other gms and coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
And have a double time.

Speaker 31 (01:29:58):
That goes back to the skill Bailest, like you can
tell the guys he like and guys he just like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
I think I'm fair to everybody.

Speaker 31 (01:30:05):
What I said about Michael, I said, I don't know
if he's ever going to be successful because of the
people around him. I think he hires too many of
his friends. And because your friends don't ever tell you no.
The hardest thing about being famous is because you're paying
all the bills, they're on your private jet, they're not

(01:30:25):
gonna tell you when you're doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
And I said that.

Speaker 31 (01:30:29):
I didn't because he was struggling as a general manager
a running the team.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
And I said, I don't know.

Speaker 31 (01:30:34):
If he's ever going to be successful because the people
around him are never going to tell him no.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
And like, yeah, don't draft that dude. We need to
trade that dude.

Speaker 31 (01:30:41):
Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called
me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker,
fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah.
And I said, man, man, I got to do my job.
And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was
probably close to ten years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
But I kind of agree with that, because you know,
they traded me after I brought to the playoffs for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Yeah, they do make some bad decisions over there.

Speaker 9 (01:31:10):
Welcome to the show, Barry Bonds. Than you were you
close to any NBA players of your time.

Speaker 32 (01:31:15):
Jordan and I kind of came up together. We were
in Chicago when Jordan first came in the league. We
used to hang out in Chicago all the time when
he was at the Bulls and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:31:23):
And I don't just tell us some shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Two of the.

Speaker 32 (01:31:28):
Great I tell you, like, Michael Jordan was before he
even became the most famous person ever him tied and
we were in Chicago and he was just I mean,
he's only two years older than I am, you know,
And we went out to just to grab a bite
to eat, and I ain't never seen a line of

(01:31:52):
people just that wanted to just talk to this guy.
And I was just coming up too, so I was rookie,
so nobody knew who I was, you know. It was
just Bobbie Bond's son, nobody at the time. And I
thought I was pretty big at the time because I
made it. But Michael had all these people, and he
had they had a couple of security guys there watching.
Michael was so nice. He was just signing auto grass

(01:32:13):
and We're trying to grab something to eat, and I'm
over here going, I'm Barry Hello.

Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
You know what it's like to have somebody that good,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
And for that one moment, I'm.

Speaker 32 (01:32:23):
Like, I want to be like Mike one day, you know,
when you really see it from the very beginning.

Speaker 8 (01:32:27):
But he was so he was already.

Speaker 32 (01:32:30):
Large before k became larger than anything. And I will
always remember that he was. He was always like, come on,
be let's go, and you know, and it was good
because we've we've always been like really, you know, good friends,
and even at a distance, you know now that you
know his profession's gone to where it's gone, and even
got distance, we even if we talk and we haven't
talked in a long time, like we talked to things

(01:32:51):
like last year. We had a conversation not too long ago.
And it always seems like we've never missed a beat.
And that's that's what's really good about.

Speaker 7 (01:32:59):
Yeah, I got a question, I mean with We talked
to Kobe about Mike, and Kobe said every aspect dealing
with Mike was competitive and maybe that's because that was
a young guy trying to catch him?

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Was everything with you guys?

Speaker 7 (01:33:11):
Was it more just a genuine conversation friendship or was
there some competitiveness even in the conversation.

Speaker 32 (01:33:15):
We played two different fields, so two different.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Well he tried, he tried to come to your field though, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:33:20):
That was happening.

Speaker 32 (01:33:23):
I mean, I love Mike, but no, that wasn't gone.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Do you ever actual for advice on baseball?

Speaker 32 (01:33:30):
No, I got never asked him advice and bats I
knew he was that good and you know, but uh,
we always joked around with you. I mean, we had
always a great respect for each other. I think Michael's
I saw Michael the same thing he probably saw me
that this I Q a vision of you know, the
type of players.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
We were.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Welcome Joe Johnson to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
What was your welcome to the NBA moment?

Speaker 33 (01:33:54):
My welcome to the NBA moment was playing against Uh
was playing against so my rookie year. Was MJ's first
year back in the NBA with the Wizards. Yeah, we
played against them fourth game of the season. I was
starting every Ed Williams getting hurt the second game of
the season, small four, so they start me. Uh, and

(01:34:16):
I got a guard MJ. Paul Piers like, man, I'm
gonna get him in the fourth quarter. I need you
to give him the first three.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Look. Look, I'm like, all right, all right bet so uh.

Speaker 33 (01:34:29):
Man, we got out there first off, touring and MJ
talking stuff through each other on the tip, Like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
So m J.

Speaker 33 (01:34:36):
Taylor, Paul, I gotta come all the way back to
the NBA just to just to get a pickup game
with you, just to get a run with you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
So hey, all going back and forth the whole game.

Speaker 33 (01:34:44):
But I'm like, man, y'all got a chill, you know
what I'm saying, Like I'm the one got to guard
this man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
But uh, it was. It was a fun moment.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Man.

Speaker 33 (01:34:53):
I embraced the challenge and I had so much fun.
But I got so many pictures and memories from that moment,
and even if like it was crazy, it was on
TNT like I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
What did he do? That game? What did MJ do?

Speaker 33 (01:35:05):
He finished with like thirty thirty two? What you he
ended up getting? I had sixteen to ten? Oh yeah, yeah, silent, silent, silent,
solid playing which one in prime?

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
That's solid?

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I'm surprised you got I'm surprised you got enough
looks to get sixteen with them too, Right, Rip Hamilton,
Welcome to the show Man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Make your mark.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
You feel like you've arrived your second year, your third year,
MJ comes back. Tell me about him coming back first
and foremost, and then the second part of the questions
is do you feel like that's stunned where you obviously
your process and your growth at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Oh man, MJ. Man, that was awesome for my career.

Speaker 12 (01:35:49):
You know, I always used to hear a lot of
people talk about, Okay, MJ coming back to a young, young,
a young team, and that's going to stun a lot
of their guards, you know, growth, because at the time,
you know, it was me Leron prophet and was a
guy Courtney Alexander who was man.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
He was a problem too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
He was a guy that played on the wing with me.

Speaker 12 (01:36:08):
That you know, we both that during that second half
of the year in Washington after my second year, we
both averaged you know, close to thirty points a game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
You know, it was balling.

Speaker 12 (01:36:18):
But when MJ came man, it was it was the
goat man. That's that's that's gold status man as a
two guard coming up and Mike, you know, being your
idol growing up, and now you got an opportunity to
lock it up with him and and and learn and
get as much information off of him as possible. Because
even my second year, he used to come down and
practice with us all the time, right, but he didn't

(01:36:41):
you know, every now and then he had come in
and you know, work out with It's kind of similar
what he did with y'all when you was on.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
The Bodcap Shack.

Speaker 12 (01:36:46):
You know, he come down and work out with us,
and me and Proft used to play with him all
the time, and we used to talk trash to MJ
all the time. But it was only certain things that
I would say and you know Prof would sometimes you know,
say a little bit of extra stuff that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
I would, I would and go there.

Speaker 12 (01:37:00):
And I remember one time we were playing in practice
right and Prop you know, might have hit a shot
on MJ.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And he was like running.

Speaker 12 (01:37:08):
Down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old
ass knees.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
And I'm like, oh, oh stop.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Time out, time out.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I was like, oh nah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
You you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
You don't. You don't say that to the go MJ
was heated.

Speaker 12 (01:37:23):
I mean he was heated to the point that when
I went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know
he was he was the president at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
I went into my exit meeting.

Speaker 12 (01:37:31):
He was like, okay, Rip, you know your man, your buddy,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (01:37:35):
Because he ended up.

Speaker 12 (01:37:35):
Training proft that that that he was like, oh your man,
he was like, oh yeah, he ain't gonna he out.

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
Of here, he said, But you won't be there by you.
You gonna be there by yourself, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
And you ain't gonna have your buddy to to co
sign and.

Speaker 12 (01:37:50):
You know you're gonna be on the island by yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
I like, look, I was like, I.

Speaker 12 (01:37:55):
Don't want no problems, bro, I don't want no problems
at all. I'm your teammate, man, But.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
When I know the.

Speaker 12 (01:38:02):
Feeling, I know the feeling that it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Right, you gotta be careful, you gotta be careful.

Speaker 12 (01:38:13):
But when MJ came, man, I just thought it was
a blessing and and uh for for me as a
basketball player, you know, because I was able to learn
so much off of him. Uh, you know, it took
it took my game to a whole new other level,
especially even playing with him, because you got to remember,
when you're playing with Michael Jordan, all the focus is

(01:38:35):
going to be on Michael Jordan. I mean, traveling with
MJ is like traveling with the Beatles back in the day, right,
So when when playing with him, the one thing that
I learned with playing with Mike was remember, you know,
back in the day, they used to call it floppy, right,
you know, when two guys come down and the two
beats come down and we run them off screens. So
I was like, man, screw my bigs, I'm just gonna

(01:38:56):
run off MJ. Why because every time I run off MJ,
you know, I'm saying, my man gonna go to him,
and his man ain't gonna right. So I would get
wide open every time. And MJ would come to me
after the game and be like, hey, Rip, I see
what you're doing out there.

Speaker 10 (01:39:09):
I see I.

Speaker 7 (01:39:13):
See what you're doing out there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I'm like, yeah, what am I? What am I?

Speaker 10 (01:39:15):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Man? Like shit you the goat? Like you know.

Speaker 12 (01:39:19):
So he was he was very He was very helpful
for for my career when when I was in Washington.
And another crazy story is that we just talked about
Alan Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Right, So Alan Houston was.

Speaker 12 (01:39:33):
Killing me, like like I said, he killed me in
my first two years, right, So when MJ came third year, now,
I feel like I'm growing up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:39:40):
I grew some hair on my chest, like I've been
through the war and the battles a little bit, so,
you know, and I got big bro, like I got
the bully in the room, right, you know, I'm a
little bit more confident. So we're playing against New York.
We're playing against New York in Washington, and first half
I go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in
the first half, right, So like like I'm geeked. I'm like, Okay,

(01:40:03):
all the times this motherfuckers been killing me and getting
me in foul trouble. I'm in I'm in his ass
right now, right, you know what I mean. So we
were in that halftime, you know, we talking, coach talks
does a speech.

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
MJ come up to me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella, you know you.

Speaker 8 (01:40:22):
Had a great half.

Speaker 12 (01:40:23):
You know, but Big Bro won't take over the second half,
so don't worry about it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
I got you. Bro won't take over second half.

Speaker 12 (01:40:32):
Right at the end of the game, man, And that
second half, I only had two shots in the second half,
I had thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:40:43):
I think I might have ended with like thirty two.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
I was like I was at the end of the game.

Speaker 12 (01:40:50):
I was like, damn, this was my perfect opportunity to
kill this dude. This dude killed me my first two years.
Like you know what I'm saying. Now, I got you
on my side. He was like, hey, man, don't worry
about it. Man, you'll get another opportunity at that. But
as a young kid, you don't think that you're gonna
get another opportunity. That was your time talking moment.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
But but big Bros, Like he tapped me on the
shoulder and say, hey.

Speaker 8 (01:41:09):
Man, you did enough.

Speaker 7 (01:41:10):
I was like, in my mind, I was like.

Speaker 12 (01:41:11):
Hell nah, but he was like, you know that second
half he took over. He might have scored twenty five
or twenty six and the second half and we end
up winning the game. But that that story always sticks
to me because that was my opportunity to go out
and get fifty.

Speaker 7 (01:41:24):
That's funny as hell, especially on someone that been lighting
your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Up, Light my ass up.

Speaker 7 (01:41:28):
Yes, welcome this show Man T two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
You signed with the Wizards. What was it like playing
with a part of Yo MJ. I didn't care.

Speaker 34 (01:41:36):
He was ninety yeah, like come on, man, like get
a chance to play with m Man. It was like
it was a blessing, you know, like I said, my
career has been blessed. Like I said it just when
I first song, well when he first called, initially because
he was part of the front office and I heard
his voice, I'm like, man, what are you serious?

Speaker 6 (01:41:55):
Like MJ calling me?

Speaker 34 (01:41:56):
Like called and once you come in with the Wizards whatever,
he said, I'm thinking about coming back. You know, we
didn't discuss it, you know, didn't he didn't go public
for a while. But then just when I first met
him just in Awe. Man like just having a chance
to you know, see Black Jesus in person, like talk
to him, be his teammate, like I was in Awe
and my first you're playing with him, and I just
didn't I didn't know what to do, like you know

(01:42:17):
what I'm saying, Like you know, throwing to him every
time and just go staying or he's like no play
like but you just get so messed by who he is.
About forty he it was forty heah was twenty points
a game at the age of forty on one leg
because his knee was messed up. And he played eighty
two games at the age of forty on one leg
and play all eighty two games. So I mean, I

(01:42:38):
just tell you who he is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Crazy eighty two games. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Welcome to the show, Zach Lavine. You're playing a legendary
position for a historical franchise. You're playing the two guard
for the Chicago Bulls. Have you got a chance to
ever meet Mike or talk to Mike about what you
got going on right now? And you playing position? He
he he made very famous over there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I met I met him. I haven't talked to him,
you know, in alone.

Speaker 28 (01:43:05):
I met him, actually my rookie year, I did a
workout for Charlotte, and uh, he walked in like early
into the workout, and you know, all of us are hyped,
you know, especially because he's in there, so now you're
trying to show out and went over and shook his hand.
His hand was so goddamn big he grabbed my four arm.
So you know, that's when I met him. But you know,

(01:43:25):
it's it's it's crazy, man, especially the stats that you
see and you hear, And there was one that was
crazy that came out this this month because I think
I'm averaging thirty this month and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Tied for the thirty first best month.

Speaker 35 (01:43:39):
Crazy, right, you know, saying it is mind body, how
good this motherfucker was, Like the stats he has, it's
just like wow, that's you know, I couldn't I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
You know, we always wish we could have played against him. Crazy,
just like this. That was a bad motherfucker man. Welcome
him to the family.

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
To Jarosh Smith, you recently got a chance to play
thirty six with MJ. First of all, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
And then how did they.

Speaker 22 (01:44:06):
Go man So one of my one of my guys
is you know black man named So. He from Jersey.
He's an amazing painter. Actually he got a lot of
gold pieces. But he he ended up hooking me up
with a guy named David Storch out of He's from Chicago.

(01:44:28):
Just moved down here to North Palm Beach and him
MJ's road tight. It went back, you know, back in
the Chicago days, right close, and I ended up playing
We played thirty six with Mike and it was like,
I don't know, it was. It was everything that you

(01:44:49):
thought it was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
But like.

Speaker 22 (01:44:53):
To him actually be around Mike and he talking shit
like that shit was like Dann like he he be
going there when I tell you he talking ship, He
talking ship bro.

Speaker 8 (01:45:04):
And he nice though.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
He is he nice?

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Nice?

Speaker 8 (01:45:09):
Nice?

Speaker 22 (01:45:10):
I want to know he nice. His short game is
like one of the pros. He I'm watching this, I'm
watching ship he's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
I'm like, hey, yo.

Speaker 22 (01:45:22):
Like making like making ship like I'm oh my god,
and I'm lucky lucky for me. We we kept up beat,
like you know what I'm saying. So, but the people
he betten with in the group, they like these these
like some some mean buy pots. I'm yo if I

(01:45:44):
not for no golf, bro, Nah, I sain't that, but
sure though, but it was dope man, because like again,
I like, I don't know, I just seen a global
Mike man like he you see him when he and
his element with being competitive and everything and he you know,

(01:46:06):
it's just like and I thought about when I first
seen him. I thought about the I thought about something
Ai said, like, you know, he really got.

Speaker 11 (01:46:15):
On Jordan's like what else he's going ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Like said like this was wild. Bro, let's welcome to
the show.

Speaker 9 (01:46:24):
Magic Johnson, what's your take on the back and forth
with Isaia and Mike right now?

Speaker 17 (01:46:30):
I don't like it right I think they should be
done with that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Listen, we played.

Speaker 17 (01:46:36):
When we played, we all had to dislike each other
to win a championship. We all had to do what
we had to do. But now, uh, what Michael is doing,
Uh is incredible to be an owner in the NBA.
To his shoe is still number one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
I mean you can.

Speaker 17 (01:46:54):
Put all those guys shoes sales together. They can't even
mess with Michael Jordan's ship and so and then Isaiah
is a businessman himself. Exactly all the things that he's doing.

Speaker 10 (01:47:06):
So why why.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Are we still living in the past.

Speaker 7 (01:47:10):
Yes, I think only magic can fix that ship.

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
We're definitely gonna try, man, because they should be look.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Up to both of them. We look up to both
of them.

Speaker 17 (01:47:21):
Yeah, and they're my boys, right right, So I guess
I'm gonna have to be the one to bring.

Speaker 9 (01:47:26):
Them together culture, because you want, we want to see
Zeke and Mike somewhere having to drink together, man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
For the culture. There you there, you go there, yeah, h.

Speaker 36 (01:47:46):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
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