July 21, 2020 • 21 mins
Television personality Dina Lohan, who rose to fame as the mother and manager of actress Lindsay Lohan, shares details with Laura and Johnnie about her journey to co-parenting successfully with her ex-husband Michael. The mother of 4 is passionate about raising awareness about domestic violence, and she introduces us to the charity that she is a patron of called Reconstructing Hope, which offers assistance to survivors. Lohan also reveals how she’s coping with empty-nest syndrome and she previews her new podcast "The OG Mama D" with a fresh teaser featuring her and co-host Chanel Omari. Lohan gives us the lowdown on daughters Lindsay and Aliana's harrowing quarantine experience in Dubai, and she admits there is a new man in her life. For more information about Reconstructing Hope visit https://www.reconstructinghope.org/ and for anyone experiencing domestic violence another resource is the National Domestic Violence Hotline @ 1.800.799.7233 or https://www.thehotline.org/help/
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the All's Fair with Laura Wasser podcast. Each week,
on the show, we speak with celebrities, innovators, and experts
about all kinds of relationships, including divorce, love, war, and
everything in between. Here's our conversation with television personality Dina Lohan,
who rose to fame as the mother and manager of
actress Lindsay Lohan. In addition to Lindsay, Dina has three
(00:28):
other children with ex husband Michael, and in this episode
of All's Fair with Laura Wasser, she opens up to
me about her journey to co parenting successfully with her
ex and why her work raising awareness about domestic violence
is so important. Hi. There, it's me Laura Wasser, the
divorce attorney and the founder of It's over Easy, the
online divorce service. I've been practicing family law for over
(00:51):
twenty years, and I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding
people through what may be one of the most terrifying
times in their lives. Along the way, I often have
to remind people to lower their expectations when dealing with
matters of the heart. Rules simply don't apply because all's
fair in love and war. So welcome to the All's
(01:12):
Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelts and let's go. I'm Laura Wasser,
the divorce attorney and founder and CEO of the online
divorce service It's Over Easy. I'm Johnny Rains, and this
is the All's Fair podcast where everything relevant to relationships
is up for examination and discussion. Relationships, by their very nature,
are layered and fluid, and they change shape as we evolve.
(01:35):
It's my job to observe and interpret these observations into
tools that can help families achieve their next iterations. Divorce
can be many things, but it doesn't have to be ugly,
and my advice to celebrities and civilians alike is keep
it amicable. Do your best to keep the split under
wraps social media silence, don't publicly attack your ex, keep
(01:56):
your kids best interest in mind. But of course people
don't always follow my advice, fools that they are. We'll
get into that with our next guest, who has turned
her next chapter into something special, not only for herself
but for her children as well. Joining us now is
one of the most well known managers in the business.
She's a tireless mother of four and author and a
reality star on her own right, and she's also launching
(02:17):
a new podcast, Here's a taste. Hi everyone, I'm Dina
Lohan and I'm the host of our new podcast, Listen
to Me the O G Mama Date, and I'm her
co host Shanelle A Mari from Chanel in the City,
and together we will be teaming up to set the
record straight on celebrity table at Gossip. We've both been there,
We've seen it all, an nownced I turned to speak.
(02:38):
That's right, Mama D. We will also be discussing virtual
dating comedy and how COVID nineteen is affecting everyone and
more so, come on the journey with us by subscribing
and rating a podcast. Make sure to follow us at
Listen to Me the O G Mama D Podcast on
all social media platforms for updates and more. We will
(02:58):
see you soon. Welcome to All's Fair, Dina Lohan and
as the magazine this month, you say that your ex
Michael Lohan, and you have come to a very good
place co parenting your four kids. Tell us a little
bit about how you guys got there. That's a loaded question,
you know. Divorce is tough, Relationships are tough, marriage is tough.
(03:20):
A lot of toughs in there. But you know, I
got married very young. Michael and I both were very young.
So prior to me getting married, I was with my
first love who was killed in car fire. He was
in the same business of entertainment I was in. So
a lot of that really changed my life clearly, and
(03:40):
um and I think now looking back in a very
positive way that I just felt at that time I
really grew a lot. I didn't go out for a year,
you know, I just kind of watched soap operas at
my parents house. And then a year later I went
to the surf Club on the Upper West Side. I
don't know if you know where that is in New York. Yes,
and my three best friends who were graduating from University
(04:04):
of Virginia, and I was in n y U at
the time. So I met Michael. He knocked a bottle
of champagne off the table and risk a history, I
could say, but really I did, because he's like, what's
your last name? Um on Italian Irish genonymally and Nicolet Sullivan.
So I said Sullivan, looking up. Well, that's like crazy.
There's like a million Sullivan's on Long Islands, you know.
(04:24):
I was born in the Bronx but grew up on
Long Island. Still here from such a Long Island girl.
But but yeah, and that the rest is pretty much history.
I was engaged within three months, married after six. You know,
it is what it is. I've been divorced for decades
while where two decades and um we've grown. It wasn't immediate,
(04:46):
you know. There was a lot of things that transpired,
which everyone probably knows. I don't want to be reduncdant.
I just know that now we're friends. Were in a
great place. Um, this guy Jesse who's in my life,
it's friends with Mike goals and he kind of helped
through that as well. Why is he friends with my
ex husband? But it's not a big deal because I
(05:06):
you know, I see Michael at the Hampton's and he's like,
you know, I'm like sit with us. It's like cool,
We're not anything. Really that the press made it so horrible.
There was a very scary time and for me personally,
I was going through and he was going through issues
that caused this. So now I feel we're in a
(05:28):
great place. Of my children, you know, they're older now
my young this is twenty three. Well, this is thirty three.
That makes me a hundred and three, I guess. But anyway,
so he so that that in looking back retrospectively, you know,
I'm from my parents married fifty years, so I don't
know divorced. I don't know about that. I'm very fortunate.
(05:50):
You know. My mother is Italian. She'd throw a couple
of shoes at my brother's and yards. You know. It
wasn't perfect. But actually I I never thought I'd be divorced.
You know, we all were read Cinderella right now. I
read to my kids. I'm going to read to my
grandchildren when we have that and The Little Train that Could? Yes, yeah,
Do you do you think that the press exacerbated the
(06:13):
divorce acrimonia between you and Michael? Absolutely? But there were facts,
you know, and there were things that really did happen
that neither him nor I couldn't, you know, say it
wasn't true because you know, abuse going on, so so
that was true, and um, you know, but the rest
(06:33):
was totally sensationalized. I believe, you know, it didn't have
to be public, right, And how do you think that
part of it, the public part of it affected your kids.
We talked to so many people who are getting divorce,
and you know, again there's abuse, there's drug and alcohol use,
there's adultery, and it always is miserable. But again, in
most situations, you're not reading about it at the market
(06:55):
or having your kids friends talk about it at school.
So how did that affect your children? How old were they?
By the way, when you guys split up. Um, well,
we were together and split up several times and with
all four children for a time. Um, And then he
went through his own situation, which is for him to tell.
(07:15):
I don't like talking about somebody else if they're not here,
So I can only tell you what happened to me, Um,
and Lindsay was little and Michael was little. The two
older ones there was you know, there was like eight
years in between that, so six to eight years in
between that where we weren't together and I custody, sould custody,
(07:36):
so so it was a very different time and the
younger two weren't really affected as much. So I feel
the older too, which is why you know they used
the word co parenting. Um. You know, our children are
going to grow up and have relationships and have our
grown there's certainly not grown up. You don't say. By
my daughter is thirty three, I'm not gonna hang out
(07:57):
with her, talk to her mother is always a mother
and father as well, and I think both parents and
I stressed this to any one going through a divorce,
and it kind of brings tears in my eyes because
they they have to keep their problems separate. Mine happened
to be in the media, you know, So it got
crazy and I had to deal with that and that certainly,
(08:20):
I cried myself to sleep a lot, and you know,
I'd have to go on TV and protect lindsay situation
because it's my child, not to say I don't reprimand
her when she's home, which I do, I mean, but
I wasn't gonna cut and bleed for her to tell
her story on on television. And there were people I
trusted that talked about me and sold stories, you know,
(08:42):
personal personal things, which was very, very hurtful. So that
was difficult on my child, first of all, and you
know that takes its toll. But I think now that
we're in a good place, and I feel and we've
been in a good place for a while, and I
feel that they need to have clarity with both parents good,
better and different to move off with their wives. You're
(09:07):
listening to All's Fair with Laura Wasser, a new podcast
that provides a fresh take on navigating the most important
relationships in our lives, including the ones with our co parents.
Give me an example, particularly during this quarantine situation. I
know the two girls are in Dubai. Yes, yes, this
is really crazy because they always have kids around me.
It's like either their friends or you know, forever. I've
(09:30):
been in this house eighteen years, Um, so I'm going
through a lot empty nesting. You know what a lot
of people are going through Lentina Alana or in Dubai.
How are you to FaceTime with them? I mean, how
are you? How are the you and Michael able to
keep in touch with with each other and the four
kids during this pandemic with everything everything being so uncertain.
(09:51):
I'm sure they're being anxiety. They're wanting to look to
mom and dad to kind of either calm them down,
or maybe they're worried about you guys because we're all
older now. So how is the family interacting during this time?
And more particularly, how are you and Michael kind of
keeping it together for them? Um? Michael's married to someone
else and he has little children, so he kind of
has his own life, and you know, I'm I speak
(10:14):
to him at times, but it's not like an everyday thing.
And um my, so my girls we that's separate. You know,
they'll call him or I I face time and zoom.
My girls they're like every second they talked to do this.
And my son and his Beyonce wife from I saying
sorry sorry, Nina. They're married and live in Manhattan. Okay,
(10:36):
they've been married for three years. And then my other
son to code and my youngest who I also manages
quarantine in l A. He's a guy, models and works
as an actor out there. So we're all over the
place and I'm dog sitting co hop, which I'm surprisingly
not jumping on me right now. It's called a retreater
who's five, so he doesn't talk, so it's really hard
(10:57):
for me kind of a talker. Um And my mom
is very close to me. She's nineties six. She's my rock,
and my girls call my mom and my boys all
the time. She's like, you know, Lindsay, you'll forget the
time difference. It will be kind of late at night
for my mom and she's like, I'll pick up anytime,
any time you call, which is amazing. They still have
(11:17):
their grandmother at her and I saw my mom. I
lost my dad about fifteen years ago. So but we're
thank God for Zoom and these these this technology exactly.
So tell us a little bit about Reconstructing Hope, the
five o NC nonprofit. Tell us what it does and
(11:37):
why you're so interested in it. Well, reconstructing a Hope.
They came to me several years back and what they do,
it's really amazing anyone who's been a victim of abuse.
They go as far as there's a team of doctors,
and they go as far as even a tattoo removal
to have the woman or man for that matter. You know,
it's any relationship can be abusive and they'll be someone
(12:01):
to remove the tattoo. If godad, someone's nose is broken,
they'll reconstruct that. It's all free, there's no charge. Um.
They have you know, therapists there. Whether these are victims
of domestic violence who are getting help and particularly reconstructive
surgery or aesthetic things change and go online to Reconstructing
Hope dot org and they will get that information where
(12:24):
you go and help them. We're in New York, California,
and we're going to be in other states soon. But
it's a wonderful thing because you know a lot of
people in you know, everyone's doesn't have the financial ability
and and they're just hurting and and if they can
help them in any way, they're giving their time. Dentists
of teeth are knocked out. I mean things that you know,
(12:47):
will you'll look in the mirror. They want you to
see yourself. They don't want you to look and see
the past. This is your next chapter, moving on. I
love that. Okay, So you can go to Reconstructing Hope
dot com if dot org okay, dot org okay. And
then for you, your next chapter has been your new
podcast that you're doing. Yes, it was. Sannel tell us
(13:08):
about um Well. I've known Shanella Marii for years. I
hired her when she was seventeen. When she turned eighteen,
she traveled with Lindsay as her assistant, and then when
that you know, ended and she was going back to college,
I took her own as my assistant and then over
the years, you know, she flourished in her own She's
a stand up comic. She had her own podcast. She
(13:31):
has Chanel in the City out of New York while
Island Girl as well, and I'm like, she calls me
Mama d old Lindsay's friends. That's where that came from.
And still is it sounds it's actually real. Um. So
she's had it early, her own podcast, And I didn't
know anything about this world. I was on hers and
it was wonderful, and I said, I have an idea,
(13:52):
why don't you come on and you know, close with me.
I don't the host, she's the co host, and she's
a whole mother demographic. She's there six but she um,
she actually brings the millenniums to me and and that demographics,
and I'm an older I bring the older people and
it's a beautiful marriage, I think. So to speak. In
this world and nothing's nothing's off topic. We we go
(14:16):
from suit to nuts, from a list of normal people
to doctors, lawyers, and it's on Spotify, yes, Spotify and
iTunes and then it'll drop to my heart. Got it? Okay?
So I'm not sure that you're familiar with too much litigation,
but one of the tools that we attorne easy. Yes,
(14:38):
I am. Okay, So I'm sorry, lawyers, but you're the best.
Thank you. So one of the tools that used during
the discovery phase is called interrogatories, and so there are
formal questions that require the opposing party to respond with
information relevant to the matter that's being litigated. So here
on all's fair, they're not really that serious, but they're
very important. So, Dina, will you play the interrogatory game
(15:01):
with us? Yes? And do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Tina, which
relationship in your life has had the most profound impact
my father? And tell us why? Well, I'm the youngest
of three older brothers and many boys on my mother's
Italian side and no girls. So I gravitated my dad.
(15:25):
I was like Daddy's a little girl so to speak.
And Um, he just taught me so much and made
me the person I am today. He was involved in
many charities, he was started meals on wheels, big brothers,
Dr J and him. I don't know if you know
Dr J. The past called Claire. Um started that my
old too. You don't you don't look old to We're
(15:50):
not old. As Elizabeth Teller said, she'll never say a
day over fifties, so I have it. I'd like thirty
nine better, but oh well, um, but there's no botox
during quarantine, so we're all kind of over then. Um. Anyway, Actually,
(16:13):
my dad was just just a very giving, loving, my
mom as well person and all my life he's taught
me so many lessons that I carry with me. And
like I said, my children lived at my parents house
for a while and my dad was very very instrumental
in their upbringing. With me is also you know also
because like I said, I was very young having Lindsay
(16:36):
and he was very very important in that as well.
Nice what's your favorite love song? Oh God, when you Johnny,
when you asked me this, So I was like, Okay,
there's like a thousand because I'm a die hark romantic,
which is probably lame at this point, but um, all
of you hopeful romantic, we we believe in that true,
(16:57):
true go Cinderella. I'm actually wonderful Tonight by Aeric Clapton.
Huge fan of Clapton, Jackson Brown, probably all of his songs,
James Taylor, I mean, yeah, who can I mean, I
just yeah, And the list goes on, but yeah, they're
(17:17):
they're top three to go through. I mean, I'm my
first concert was America. They even have and when I
was my kids are a little I played them all.
So that's why they're also into and know all these
older groups. Right good. Yeah, what's the one piece of
advice you'd share with your twenty something year old self? Oh? God,
(17:41):
everything I've learned up until now. It's a very bro statement.
But um, so many things. Oh gosh, I think not
to rush into things, to take your time, to slow down,
not worries so much. And yeah, okay, you said you're
(18:03):
a hopeless romantic. Tell us which romantic comedy you could
watch on repeat? Well, I've watched a lot of them
on repeat, and so of my girls because we're like
silly with that as well. But I love the Holiday, Yep,
we got that one a lot. Love the Holiday, love it.
It was just on two nights going. Ali just assumed
(18:23):
me from Dubai and she was watching it with Lindsay. Um.
Not to mention, Nancy Myers did direct it from the
parent Trap, who was an angel, powerful woman, so talented. Um.
Her movies are just the epitome of love stories. I mean,
she's just great. Yes, I agree. Comedy in romance together. Yeah, well, Dina,
(18:45):
your podcast is going to be a hit. We definitely
will listen. Thank you so much for joining and zooming
in with us today on All's Fair. Tell our listeners
how people can keep up with you online. Um, you
can go to I'm on all social media just Dina
Lohan verified, see a little blue check and that's me. Um.
Also go to listen to me the O G Mama
(19:05):
D Podcast. It's kind of a tongue twister, but it's
listened to me the O G MoMA D Podcast on
iTunes and Spotify, coming soon to I Heeart. Love it.
Thank you so much for being here today. Stay Healthy's
days safe. Say hello to the kids. All right, Thanks
and you guys, Um listen, I listened to you and
Laura you're amazing. Thank you and you heard on I
(19:29):
forget what it was. It was, Oh, Johnny, you sent
me the link, I think or it just maybe found
it on my own. But you're you're on a show
and you were saying, you know, you were married, and
then you weren't. And then when they said would you
ever get married? You're like, hello, it's not I sat
in the cards for me. I don't thank you, but
I wanted to ask. I met Jesse, my boyfriend now
(19:52):
on Facebook sick for six years, and um, I just
want to, you know, talk about that that you and
meet someone on virtual you know, he lives in l A,
live here. We haven't met. We're gonna meet after coronavirus
and I haven't met yet, known him for seven going
on seven years talking to him on the phone. We started,
(20:13):
of course as friends and then you know, it evolved
over that time, and um, I just feel that Jesse
and I are at a place where we really care
about each other deeply, and we're going to see where
it closed after Corona. But so you've never seen him
in person, even when you guys find friend time zoo
right but not No. Wow, that's really exciting. But it's
(20:38):
not as weird as it seems because the irony of
that is during this time, virtual dating and all these
apps are like through the big rocketing crazy And I
always tell my girls, get to know somebody first, like
talk on the phone. You know, of course the rest
of it will come, you know, just don't jump right
into something before you actually speak to them and hear
(21:00):
their words and know really what they're about. One of
the benefits actually of dating online and dating virtually now
is that you can't the option of like jumping into
the sack is off the table, so you have no
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Welcome to the All's Fair with Laura Wasser podcast. Each week,
on the show, we speak with celebrities, innovators, and experts
about all kinds of relationships, including divorce, love, war, and
everything in between. Here's our conversation with television personality Dina Lohan,
who rose to fame as the mother and manager of
actress Lindsay Lohan. In addition to Lindsay, Dina has three
(00:28):
other children with ex husband Michael, and in this episode
of All's Fair with Laura Wasser, she opens up to
me about her journey to co parenting successfully with her
ex and why her work raising awareness about domestic violence
is so important. Hi. There, it's me Laura Wasser, the
divorce attorney and the founder of It's over Easy, the
online divorce service. I've been practicing family law for over
(00:51):
twenty years, and I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding
people through what may be one of the most terrifying
times in their lives. Along the way, I often have
to remind people to lower their expectations when dealing with
matters of the heart. Rules simply don't apply because all's
fair in love and war. So welcome to the All's
(01:12):
Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelts and let's go. I'm Laura Wasser,
the divorce attorney and founder and CEO of the online
divorce service It's Over Easy. I'm Johnny Rains, and this
is the All's Fair podcast where everything relevant to relationships
is up for examination and discussion. Relationships, by their very nature,
are layered and fluid, and they change shape as we evolve.
(01:35):
It's my job to observe and interpret these observations into
tools that can help families achieve their next iterations. Divorce
can be many things, but it doesn't have to be ugly,
and my advice to celebrities and civilians alike is keep
it amicable. Do your best to keep the split under
wraps social media silence, don't publicly attack your ex, keep
(01:56):
your kids best interest in mind. But of course people
don't always follow my advice, fools that they are. We'll
get into that with our next guest, who has turned
her next chapter into something special, not only for herself
but for her children as well. Joining us now is
one of the most well known managers in the business.
She's a tireless mother of four and author and a
reality star on her own right, and she's also launching
(02:17):
a new podcast, Here's a taste. Hi everyone, I'm Dina
Lohan and I'm the host of our new podcast, Listen
to Me the O G Mama Date, and I'm her
co host Shanelle A Mari from Chanel in the City,
and together we will be teaming up to set the
record straight on celebrity table at Gossip. We've both been there,
We've seen it all, an nownced I turned to speak.
(02:38):
That's right, Mama D. We will also be discussing virtual
dating comedy and how COVID nineteen is affecting everyone and
more so, come on the journey with us by subscribing
and rating a podcast. Make sure to follow us at
Listen to Me the O G Mama D Podcast on
all social media platforms for updates and more. We will
(02:58):
see you soon. Welcome to All's Fair, Dina Lohan and
as the magazine this month, you say that your ex
Michael Lohan, and you have come to a very good
place co parenting your four kids. Tell us a little
bit about how you guys got there. That's a loaded question,
you know. Divorce is tough, Relationships are tough, marriage is tough.
(03:20):
A lot of toughs in there. But you know, I
got married very young. Michael and I both were very young.
So prior to me getting married, I was with my
first love who was killed in car fire. He was
in the same business of entertainment I was in. So
a lot of that really changed my life clearly, and
(03:40):
um and I think now looking back in a very
positive way that I just felt at that time I
really grew a lot. I didn't go out for a year,
you know, I just kind of watched soap operas at
my parents house. And then a year later I went
to the surf Club on the Upper West Side. I
don't know if you know where that is in New York. Yes,
and my three best friends who were graduating from University
(04:04):
of Virginia, and I was in n y U at
the time. So I met Michael. He knocked a bottle
of champagne off the table and risk a history, I
could say, but really I did, because he's like, what's
your last name? Um on Italian Irish genonymally and Nicolet Sullivan.
So I said Sullivan, looking up. Well, that's like crazy.
There's like a million Sullivan's on Long Islands, you know.
(04:24):
I was born in the Bronx but grew up on
Long Island. Still here from such a Long Island girl.
But but yeah, and that the rest is pretty much history.
I was engaged within three months, married after six. You know,
it is what it is. I've been divorced for decades
while where two decades and um we've grown. It wasn't immediate,
(04:46):
you know. There was a lot of things that transpired,
which everyone probably knows. I don't want to be reduncdant.
I just know that now we're friends. Were in a
great place. Um, this guy Jesse who's in my life,
it's friends with Mike goals and he kind of helped
through that as well. Why is he friends with my
ex husband? But it's not a big deal because I
(05:06):
you know, I see Michael at the Hampton's and he's like,
you know, I'm like sit with us. It's like cool,
We're not anything. Really that the press made it so horrible.
There was a very scary time and for me personally,
I was going through and he was going through issues
that caused this. So now I feel we're in a
(05:28):
great place. Of my children, you know, they're older now
my young this is twenty three. Well, this is thirty three.
That makes me a hundred and three, I guess. But anyway,
so he so that that in looking back retrospectively, you know,
I'm from my parents married fifty years, so I don't
know divorced. I don't know about that. I'm very fortunate.
(05:50):
You know. My mother is Italian. She'd throw a couple
of shoes at my brother's and yards. You know. It
wasn't perfect. But actually I I never thought I'd be divorced.
You know, we all were read Cinderella right now. I
read to my kids. I'm going to read to my
grandchildren when we have that and The Little Train that Could? Yes, yeah,
Do you do you think that the press exacerbated the
(06:13):
divorce acrimonia between you and Michael? Absolutely? But there were facts,
you know, and there were things that really did happen
that neither him nor I couldn't, you know, say it
wasn't true because you know, abuse going on, so so
that was true, and um, you know, but the rest
(06:33):
was totally sensationalized. I believe, you know, it didn't have
to be public, right, And how do you think that
part of it, the public part of it affected your kids.
We talked to so many people who are getting divorce,
and you know, again there's abuse, there's drug and alcohol use,
there's adultery, and it always is miserable. But again, in
most situations, you're not reading about it at the market
(06:55):
or having your kids friends talk about it at school.
So how did that affect your children? How old were they?
By the way, when you guys split up. Um, well,
we were together and split up several times and with
all four children for a time. Um, And then he
went through his own situation, which is for him to tell.
(07:15):
I don't like talking about somebody else if they're not here,
So I can only tell you what happened to me, Um,
and Lindsay was little and Michael was little. The two
older ones there was you know, there was like eight
years in between that, so six to eight years in
between that where we weren't together and I custody, sould custody,
(07:36):
so so it was a very different time and the
younger two weren't really affected as much. So I feel
the older too, which is why you know they used
the word co parenting. Um. You know, our children are
going to grow up and have relationships and have our
grown there's certainly not grown up. You don't say. By
my daughter is thirty three, I'm not gonna hang out
(07:57):
with her, talk to her mother is always a mother
and father as well, and I think both parents and
I stressed this to any one going through a divorce,
and it kind of brings tears in my eyes because
they they have to keep their problems separate. Mine happened
to be in the media, you know, So it got
crazy and I had to deal with that and that certainly,
(08:20):
I cried myself to sleep a lot, and you know,
I'd have to go on TV and protect lindsay situation
because it's my child, not to say I don't reprimand
her when she's home, which I do, I mean, but
I wasn't gonna cut and bleed for her to tell
her story on on television. And there were people I
trusted that talked about me and sold stories, you know,
(08:42):
personal personal things, which was very, very hurtful. So that
was difficult on my child, first of all, and you
know that takes its toll. But I think now that
we're in a good place, and I feel and we've
been in a good place for a while, and I
feel that they need to have clarity with both parents good,
better and different to move off with their wives. You're
(09:07):
listening to All's Fair with Laura Wasser, a new podcast
that provides a fresh take on navigating the most important
relationships in our lives, including the ones with our co parents.
Give me an example, particularly during this quarantine situation. I
know the two girls are in Dubai. Yes, yes, this
is really crazy because they always have kids around me.
It's like either their friends or you know, forever. I've
(09:30):
been in this house eighteen years, Um, so I'm going
through a lot empty nesting. You know what a lot
of people are going through Lentina Alana or in Dubai.
How are you to FaceTime with them? I mean, how
are you? How are the you and Michael able to
keep in touch with with each other and the four
kids during this pandemic with everything everything being so uncertain.
(09:51):
I'm sure they're being anxiety. They're wanting to look to
mom and dad to kind of either calm them down,
or maybe they're worried about you guys because we're all
older now. So how is the family interacting during this time?
And more particularly, how are you and Michael kind of
keeping it together for them? Um? Michael's married to someone
else and he has little children, so he kind of
has his own life, and you know, I'm I speak
(10:14):
to him at times, but it's not like an everyday thing.
And um my, so my girls we that's separate. You know,
they'll call him or I I face time and zoom.
My girls they're like every second they talked to do this.
And my son and his Beyonce wife from I saying
sorry sorry, Nina. They're married and live in Manhattan. Okay,
(10:36):
they've been married for three years. And then my other
son to code and my youngest who I also manages
quarantine in l A. He's a guy, models and works
as an actor out there. So we're all over the
place and I'm dog sitting co hop, which I'm surprisingly
not jumping on me right now. It's called a retreater
who's five, so he doesn't talk, so it's really hard
(10:57):
for me kind of a talker. Um And my mom
is very close to me. She's nineties six. She's my rock,
and my girls call my mom and my boys all
the time. She's like, you know, Lindsay, you'll forget the
time difference. It will be kind of late at night
for my mom and she's like, I'll pick up anytime,
any time you call, which is amazing. They still have
(11:17):
their grandmother at her and I saw my mom. I
lost my dad about fifteen years ago. So but we're
thank God for Zoom and these these this technology exactly.
So tell us a little bit about Reconstructing Hope, the
five o NC nonprofit. Tell us what it does and
(11:37):
why you're so interested in it. Well, reconstructing a Hope.
They came to me several years back and what they do,
it's really amazing anyone who's been a victim of abuse.
They go as far as there's a team of doctors,
and they go as far as even a tattoo removal
to have the woman or man for that matter. You know,
it's any relationship can be abusive and they'll be someone
(12:01):
to remove the tattoo. If godad, someone's nose is broken,
they'll reconstruct that. It's all free, there's no charge. Um.
They have you know, therapists there. Whether these are victims
of domestic violence who are getting help and particularly reconstructive
surgery or aesthetic things change and go online to Reconstructing
Hope dot org and they will get that information where
(12:24):
you go and help them. We're in New York, California,
and we're going to be in other states soon. But
it's a wonderful thing because you know a lot of
people in you know, everyone's doesn't have the financial ability
and and they're just hurting and and if they can
help them in any way, they're giving their time. Dentists
of teeth are knocked out. I mean things that you know,
(12:47):
will you'll look in the mirror. They want you to
see yourself. They don't want you to look and see
the past. This is your next chapter, moving on. I
love that. Okay, So you can go to Reconstructing Hope
dot com if dot org okay, dot org okay. And
then for you, your next chapter has been your new
podcast that you're doing. Yes, it was. Sannel tell us
(13:08):
about um Well. I've known Shanella Marii for years. I
hired her when she was seventeen. When she turned eighteen,
she traveled with Lindsay as her assistant, and then when
that you know, ended and she was going back to college,
I took her own as my assistant and then over
the years, you know, she flourished in her own She's
a stand up comic. She had her own podcast. She
(13:31):
has Chanel in the City out of New York while
Island Girl as well, and I'm like, she calls me
Mama d old Lindsay's friends. That's where that came from.
And still is it sounds it's actually real. Um. So
she's had it early, her own podcast, And I didn't
know anything about this world. I was on hers and
it was wonderful, and I said, I have an idea,
(13:52):
why don't you come on and you know, close with me.
I don't the host, she's the co host, and she's
a whole mother demographic. She's there six but she um,
she actually brings the millenniums to me and and that demographics,
and I'm an older I bring the older people and
it's a beautiful marriage, I think. So to speak. In
this world and nothing's nothing's off topic. We we go
(14:16):
from suit to nuts, from a list of normal people
to doctors, lawyers, and it's on Spotify, yes, Spotify and
iTunes and then it'll drop to my heart. Got it? Okay?
So I'm not sure that you're familiar with too much litigation,
but one of the tools that we attorne easy. Yes,
(14:38):
I am. Okay, So I'm sorry, lawyers, but you're the best.
Thank you. So one of the tools that used during
the discovery phase is called interrogatories, and so there are
formal questions that require the opposing party to respond with
information relevant to the matter that's being litigated. So here
on all's fair, they're not really that serious, but they're
very important. So, Dina, will you play the interrogatory game
(15:01):
with us? Yes? And do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Tina, which
relationship in your life has had the most profound impact
my father? And tell us why? Well, I'm the youngest
of three older brothers and many boys on my mother's
Italian side and no girls. So I gravitated my dad.
(15:25):
I was like Daddy's a little girl so to speak.
And Um, he just taught me so much and made
me the person I am today. He was involved in
many charities, he was started meals on wheels, big brothers,
Dr J and him. I don't know if you know
Dr J. The past called Claire. Um started that my
old too. You don't you don't look old to We're
(15:50):
not old. As Elizabeth Teller said, she'll never say a
day over fifties, so I have it. I'd like thirty
nine better, but oh well, um, but there's no botox
during quarantine, so we're all kind of over then. Um. Anyway, Actually,
(16:13):
my dad was just just a very giving, loving, my
mom as well person and all my life he's taught
me so many lessons that I carry with me. And
like I said, my children lived at my parents house
for a while and my dad was very very instrumental
in their upbringing. With me is also you know also
because like I said, I was very young having Lindsay
(16:36):
and he was very very important in that as well.
Nice what's your favorite love song? Oh God, when you Johnny,
when you asked me this, So I was like, Okay,
there's like a thousand because I'm a die hark romantic,
which is probably lame at this point, but um, all
of you hopeful romantic, we we believe in that true,
(16:57):
true go Cinderella. I'm actually wonderful Tonight by Aeric Clapton.
Huge fan of Clapton, Jackson Brown, probably all of his songs,
James Taylor, I mean, yeah, who can I mean, I
just yeah, And the list goes on, but yeah, they're
(17:17):
they're top three to go through. I mean, I'm my
first concert was America. They even have and when I
was my kids are a little I played them all.
So that's why they're also into and know all these
older groups. Right good. Yeah, what's the one piece of
advice you'd share with your twenty something year old self? Oh? God,
(17:41):
everything I've learned up until now. It's a very bro statement.
But um, so many things. Oh gosh, I think not
to rush into things, to take your time, to slow down,
not worries so much. And yeah, okay, you said you're
(18:03):
a hopeless romantic. Tell us which romantic comedy you could
watch on repeat? Well, I've watched a lot of them
on repeat, and so of my girls because we're like
silly with that as well. But I love the Holiday, Yep,
we got that one a lot. Love the Holiday, love it.
It was just on two nights going. Ali just assumed
(18:23):
me from Dubai and she was watching it with Lindsay. Um.
Not to mention, Nancy Myers did direct it from the
parent Trap, who was an angel, powerful woman, so talented. Um.
Her movies are just the epitome of love stories. I mean,
she's just great. Yes, I agree. Comedy in romance together. Yeah, well, Dina,
(18:45):
your podcast is going to be a hit. We definitely
will listen. Thank you so much for joining and zooming
in with us today on All's Fair. Tell our listeners
how people can keep up with you online. Um, you
can go to I'm on all social media just Dina
Lohan verified, see a little blue check and that's me. Um.
Also go to listen to me the O G Mama
(19:05):
D Podcast. It's kind of a tongue twister, but it's
listened to me the O G MoMA D Podcast on
iTunes and Spotify, coming soon to I Heeart. Love it.
Thank you so much for being here today. Stay Healthy's
days safe. Say hello to the kids. All right, Thanks
and you guys, Um listen, I listened to you and
Laura you're amazing. Thank you and you heard on I
(19:29):
forget what it was. It was, Oh, Johnny, you sent
me the link, I think or it just maybe found
it on my own. But you're you're on a show
and you were saying, you know, you were married, and
then you weren't. And then when they said would you
ever get married? You're like, hello, it's not I sat
in the cards for me. I don't thank you, but
I wanted to ask. I met Jesse, my boyfriend now
(19:52):
on Facebook sick for six years, and um, I just
want to, you know, talk about that that you and
meet someone on virtual you know, he lives in l A,
live here. We haven't met. We're gonna meet after coronavirus
and I haven't met yet, known him for seven going
on seven years talking to him on the phone. We started,
(20:13):
of course as friends and then you know, it evolved
over that time, and um, I just feel that Jesse
and I are at a place where we really care
about each other deeply, and we're going to see where
it closed after Corona. But so you've never seen him
in person, even when you guys find friend time zoo
right but not No. Wow, that's really exciting. But it's
(20:38):
not as weird as it seems because the irony of
that is during this time, virtual dating and all these
apps are like through the big rocketing crazy And I
always tell my girls, get to know somebody first, like
talk on the phone. You know, of course the rest
of it will come, you know, just don't jump right
into something before you actually speak to them and hear
(21:00):
their words and know really what they're about. One of
the benefits actually of dating online and dating virtually now
is that you can't the option of like jumping into
the sack is off the table, so you have no
choice but to get to know them first. During coronavirus.
You've been listening to All Spare with Laura Wasser, a
new podcast that provides a fresh take on navigating the
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