October 20, 2020 • 39 mins
The coolest grandmother in the world joins us today, and if you don’t believe us, just ask her 26 grandchildren! Her name is Susan Honey Good and she is changing the lives of women over 50 by empowering visibility and encouraging connection across a multitude of generations. During our conversation, Honey reveals exactly what she had to do to survive the devastating and sudden loss of her first husband. She confesses that she planned on never marrying again, until all of that changed one brunch in Chicago. Laura and Johnnie discuss the best lesbian wedding of the year, the latest divorce news from China (that had one woman jumping out of her second floor window), and Laura provides an update on how the Family Law courts are navigating divorce, support and custody matters during COVID-19.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi there. It's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and
the founder of It's over Easy, the online divorce service.
I've been practicing family law for over twenty years and
I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what
may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives.
Along the way, I often have to remind people to
(00:21):
lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart.
Rules simply don't apply. Because all's fair in love and war.
So welcome to the All's Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelt
and let's go. Hey guys, I'm Laura, and this is
All's Fair with Laura Wasser. Johnny Rains is here too.
(00:42):
Hey everybody. So, um, we have a cool show today,
but I wanted to do a little update because we
have now kind of moved into the fall. We are
finishing our year, and we are still in our homes. Yes, still.
COVID nineteen has gone nowhere. Yeah, and so we never
(01:03):
thought it would last for this long. I've had a
lot of people asking me in other interviews what it's
done to the divorce rate, how things are happening. Um,
I know one of our stories today has to do
with China, which was kind of the leader for us
on what was happening with divorce during COVID. We have
seen a bit of a spike in divorces on me
It's over Easy website because I think people are more
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willing to do this at home and wanting to be
able to do it without having to see a lawyer.
I also think people are holding off as a result
of being at home with their spouses and not being
able to have anywhere to go. You will remember, at
the outside of this, I said, I don't think it's
going to cause a spike in divorce because I think
people are really going to dig deep and deal with
their issues. That would have been the case for three months. Well,
(01:52):
it's it's still kind of crazy that the way that
COVID has impacted all of our relationships. I mean, all
this video dating and talking and I know you're you
are still doing probably video hearings and video hearings. I
have a video deposition tomorrow. I mean it's very and look.
I mean I also have had a few two or
three court appearances where I go down to Los Angeles
(02:14):
Superior Court wearing a mask, making my arguments. I actually
prefer to do them via zoom. But it's it's weird, man,
I mean, you know, exchanging documents, having to look things over,
not being right there next to your client. It's definitely
we're all getting a little bit more tech savvy, and
we are also, I think, unfortunately, getting a little bit
less tactile. I remember when this all started. I think
(02:37):
it was Hollywood recorder interviewed a bunch of people and said,
are you still you know, touching people? And this was early,
this is like, you know, February March, and I said,
in my business, I think it's still really important to
shake hands because I think people need that, you know,
touch to say you can trust me, we're making a deal.
I mean, that's like gone, you know, I haven't touched
anybody in do you want to write? But perhaps that's
(03:00):
a perfect segue in back into that story from China
about the woman whose horrible, horrible husband abused her um
and and to the point where she was had to
jump out of a window to escape from him. And
still the courts in China they wouldn't grant her a divorce, right, Yes,
(03:22):
I mean, look, there's not a lot of great stuff
about divorce except for being able to move onto the
next chapter. But we definitely have it better here in
the US than we do in other countries. As you know, Johnny,
the evolution of dissolution that we're working towards with it's
over easy. I mean right now we're only in the US.
But the idea that people kind of through education can
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get a little bit more enlightened as to how they
can move through their relationships and divorces is what we're
all about. Yes, And finally, I mean thankfully she was
able to get divorced after the video from the security
tapes in the store where her husband was beating that
you to jump out of the window to escape from
went viral around the world and it caused the I
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guess the family law courts in China to reverse their
decision and allow her to get divorced. Moving on to
happier news, there was the cutest lesbian couple in the
New York Times Vows section who just got married and
had over ten thousand people expressed interest in coming to
their wedding. Are coming virtually to our earlier point, Um.
(04:28):
They are the lovely Jody and Morgan and Chaya milkteen
of Milwaukee and tell us about Jordan's and Chaya's wedding. Well,
it was interesting because it was intimate in one way,
because it was really actually it was only the two
of them and the officiant in person live. But then
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they posted it on Facebook and ten thousand people expressed
interest or indicated they were going to watch the wedding
after it was posted as a public event on Facebook.
The pair chose Indianapolis because it's known as the elopement
capital of the Midwest. Did you know that, Laura, No,
I didn't. What is elopement? Yes? Moving on ended up
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having about sixteen hundred viewers share blessings and gratitude in
the common section of the live feed, and the public
event offered away for family members who are less supportive
of them to tune into the live stream. It's very
interesting so they can talk about that while they were
watching the wedding. One of the grandmothers the chick, Chaia
Milk teen, she grew up in a Hasidic Jewish household
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before she went into foster care as a teenager. She
doesn't speak with her parents. I think it's probably then hyah, sorry, yes, yes,
thank you. Hia Milk teen. She doesn't talk to her
parents any longer, but she does talk to one of
her grandmother's. Her grandmother said to her after the ceremony,
because she did watch that, she almost shed a tear. Almost. Okay,
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well that's close. I think everyone should get married, at
least once I did. I was twenty five, and my
own marriage lasted only about fourteen months, which turned out
to be good because meant we didn't have such a
difficult time untangling our lives. This is, unfortunately not the
case for most people who get divorced later in life,
and though the divorce statistics from a variety of sources
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show that millennials are decimating the divorce rate by not
getting divorced or not getting married in the first place,
for that matter. According to the Pew Research Center, among
US adults aged fifty and older, the divorce rate has
roughly doubled since the nineteen nineties, and according to the
National Center for Health Statistics and the US Census Bureau,
among those aged sixty five and older, the divorce rate
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has roughly tripled. You can find my guide to Getting
Divorced over fifty un honey Good dot com and for
those of you who don't know about honey Good dot com,
you should, especially if you're a woman over fifty. It's
the award winning lifestyle hub created by Susan honey Good
that turns hundreds of thousands of women over fifty into girlfriends.
(07:06):
Welcome to all, spare Susan honey Good. Hi Honey, Hi Laura.
How are you. I'm nice to be here. I'm well thanks,
We're really glad to have you here. Tell our listeners,
how did you acquire the name honey Good? I love
it well. I acquired the name Good from my husband,
Sheldon Good, and it's the best last name anyone could have.
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And Honey is my grandmother name. I was a very
young grandmother and my daughter was a very young mother.
And she looked at me one day and she said, Mom,
I look like the babysitter and you look like Robbie's mom.
So how can I ever call you grandmother? I said, well,
(07:55):
what should he call me? And she looked at me
and she said, Honey, it's stuck. And now I'm your
proud grandmother. In a London family of grandchildren twenty six.
I read that somewhere, Jeez, Louise and and what are
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the age ranges. The age ranges are high school to marriage,
so sixteen. My husband's children are in their thirties, six
and not so. How many kids do you have that
are your biological kids? I have two daughters and my
husband had two sons. One um is no longer with us. Okay.
(08:41):
And you lost your first husband, Michael, when you were
in your forties. How did you recover from that? And
on the show we talk a lot about next chapters,
whether they be by death, divorce, I mean, give some
advice to our listeners about how you moved on to
the next chapter, which seems like it's a pretty good one. Well,
first of all, I lost my husband instantly, so it
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was it was a terrible shock. And um, I had
my head teenage daughters. And I was very lucky because
for some unknown reason, I was able to trust my
instincts and actually the signals that my heart gave me
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and my mind gave me, and so I was able
to go through this process and almost, I don't want
to say a surreal way, but a way in which
I could connect so strongly to my feelings that through
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the four different stages I was able to come out
of my widowhood feeling that the process worked for me.
You know a lot of people they race out right away,
they can't confront their feelings. A lot of people run
to um, a psychologist or a psycho a psychiatrist. But
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I was able to just emerge within myself. And I
did this in different ways. And what's especially interesting is
that I had never lost anyone. I had never even
lost a pet. So the first thing I did is
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I walked, and every day I walked four miles in
the morning and four miles in the afternoon with my pooch, Mohallow.
I was very fortunate because I lived in the Hawaiian Islands,
which is a very special place to heal. So by walking,
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I was able to get in touch with myself and
I also felt I was doing something that was healthy,
so that that was one of the things um that
I did. And a second thing was that I decided
to move out of our home, which most people don't
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do because the memories were too too great. So I
took everything that meant something to me and I moved
into an apartment on the sea that where I felt
like I was in a cocoon, and my living space
(11:51):
was so peaceful because you have People don't understand that
when you have a tremendous jolt like I did and
other women have, you can no longer even concentrate. It's eerie,
you know. I got up every day, I put on
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my lipstick, I watched my pouch, but I could not
concentrate at all. So living in these peaceful surroundings it
was very healing for me. And I trusted my I trusted,
as I told you before, my instincts, and I went
(12:33):
with the flaw. So that's what I did and it worked.
That's huge. And I think you have a blog article
how I survived the loss of my husband. Is that
story in that article? Yes, it is good because I
know that there's gonna be people who want to read
more about that. Now. I know that you and Sheldon
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are featured in Ari Seth Cohen's coffee table book Advanced Love.
I've seeing some of this vote as, which are great,
so but you guys, this is a coffee table book
that features subjects who proved that love is bound by
neither the constraints of age or time. So tell us
how you met Sheldon and what, in your opinion, honey,
is the secret of success in a second marriage. Well,
(13:16):
I met Shelly through a friend, and my friend had
been my friends since I was six years old. She
went out on a date with him and unselfishly said
to me, I found you the most perfect husband. And
of course I said, it's a good friend I know,
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And of course I said, I'm not interested. It was
seven months after Michael passed away. She went back to Shelly,
and she and he called me and I told him
that I was going to be coming into Chicago because
I decided I was going to leave Hannah Lulu with
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my daughters and settled near my family, which was a
year in a day in Chicago. But it would be
a year and a day after Michael died. But I
was coming in to look for our living arrangements, and
I met him, and oh my god, I couldn't believe
what happened. And I'm telling you this because this is
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what I think is so important. I was staying with
my parents and I had to come out involving glass doors,
and the minute I saw him, my heart went pitter patter,
and it's still pitter pattering twenty eight years later. I
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couldn't control it. I could not control what was going
on in my body? And I had never met the man.
So he took me out to brunch as Hume Room
in Chicago, and after two hours he looked at me
(15:08):
and he's sad. I have been a widower for six
years and I am going to marry you. Oh my god, Now,
what how did you feel? Was that good? Was that scary?
Was that weird? I'm in most women longed to hear that.
But you had been You've already you already were married,
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you are already a parent, You've been through this instantaneous,
painful death, you had just moved. So what what were
your feelings? I have to tell you the truth. I
was so excited. I couldn't help it. It just happened.
I wasn't looking for it, and I didn't feel guilty
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thinking back right now, I was just I was overjoyed,
but I have very strong values, and realizing I was
the mother of two daughters, I told him that I
would not see him until a year in a day
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after Michael passed away, because when I lost Michael and
my children lost their father, it was so riveting. It's
the only word I can think to describe what happened
in our lives. So I was very cognizant of others
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beside myself, my children, and so it was a little
bit of a mix. But this is what I think
women should look for, whether they're in their twenties or
their seventies, or eighties or fifties, the most important thing
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to look for in order to have a successful marriage
is to be in sync with one another. And by
that I mean if you like everything that your spouse likes,
and that doesn't mean that you don't have your individual
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feelings and opinions. What can you really argue about? Right
there is the matter of the sleep divorce. You could
still argue over who's going to keep the left or
the right side of the bed or staying inside. I
just had to say, I can always find something to
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argue about, but I just have to tell you. During
that runch, Shelley said to me. Now, he had been
a widower for six years. He said, you, Now, when
I started dating, I didn't think religion mattered. I found
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out it did interesting, and I found out other things
that were very important to me. And so two years
ago or a year ago, I made a list of
what I needed in a wife, and you are the recipe.
The first thing was you had to be very sexually
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attracted to one another, and we were. And then the
list goes on. He wanted to marry a woman that
did not have small children. He had gone through the
process once, he did not care to go through it
a second time. And how old were the girls at
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this point? My girls were in their late teens and
early twenties. Check his kids were in their thirties. Okay.
He wanted to marry woman that was educated. He wanted
to marry a woman whose values matched his. He wanted
to marry a woman that like to travel. He wanted
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to marry um. I can't even think of all of them,
but all I can tell you is that every single
thing on his own, this was really interesting. He wanted
to marry a woman from out of town. And I
said why. He said, because I don't want to ever
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think that we are out socially and we run into
someone you went out with, or any woman. Right. It
was just that was to me the strangest but understandable.
But I understand. So he really thought wrong and hard
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and everything that he mentioned I was the perfect recipe,
and I felt the same about him. So the only thing,
and Johnny mentioned where you have to argue about something.
All we do one thing. Money really not a lot.
But you know, women, really, I'm a gather, you know,
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I love to buy gifts for everyone. I love to
buy things. I'm a gather and most men are not spenders,
you know the way women spent. And my husband does
love beautiful things, don't get me wrong. So he would
say to me, did you really need that? And then
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I would say, I think I did. He said. Many
would say, oh, well, you know, you can have anything
you want. But I was not a woman that just
went out and you know it was crazy. But that
that see, is to be the one issue we have.
But we love to We love the same foods, we
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love to travel to the same places. So if you
choose a spouse like that you are in sync with.
There's a lot of camaraderie. There's a good mix, right,
And I think too many women think that they may
be able to change a man. You know, when you
meet a man, you know your heart gives you a signal. Yeah, right, yep,
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do you give you one? It gives me one too
often unfortunately, but yes, I mean it, it has it
does I totally agree with what you were saying earlier
about instincts and and particularly with women. I mean, we
have good instincts. We need to follow them. I think
we know. I see so many young women now their
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own blogs and podcasts and TikTok and all these things
where they're giving or discussing dating it if I and
what I see so often are the same things being
said about red flags. And these are women in their twenties.
I mean, you know, you know, if somebody doesn't seem
to be honest, you know, if somebody I mean, you know,
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one thing that always has been a huge, huge turn
off for me is a guy who's cheap if he
doesn't tip, you know, that says a lot about him
to me. So but and I mean, maybe there are
things that you could change if they're little like that,
But there's so much that flows through some of those
red flags, and we really do know pretty early on.
One of the things I love about your story, Honey,
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and Sheldon's is the fact that he knew what he wanted,
He made a list. I think there's so many men
and women, but partarly younger men that really don't know
what they want. They don't know. I mean, if somebody's hot,
then let's go and see how it is. Whatever. But
having these kind of conversations about what it is that's
important to you and really knowing not just what you want,
but what you don't want or what you wouldn't have.
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I mean, look, I admire his honesty. He did not
want to be with somebody that had young children. Doesn't
make him a bad guy. Been there, done that, not
interested in getting up in the middle of the night,
going to parents, knights, whatever. I respect him for knowing
what he wanted and being able to articulate it and
then following what his both mind and heart said in
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terms of what would be a good match. And I'm
so happy for the two of you that you found
each other. Oh, I am too. You're listening to All's
Fair with Laura Wasser. I'm Laura, and today's show is
about next Chapters and empowering grand women with Moxie. Our
guest today is often referred to as the cool twenty
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one century grandmother. She's none other than the award winning
lifestyle blogger, entrepreneur, and author Susan honey Good, who uphended
her dazzling life to help herself and other women over
fifty restore purpose, positivity, and visibility in their own lives
through her musings on Honeygood dot com, her stylish interactive
book Stories for My Grandchild, and her grand Women with
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Moxi Facebook group. So, honey, let's talk about your website,
honey Good dot com and your grand following on social media.
What's the most important message women over fifty need to
hear and know? Well, that's a challenging question, but I
would say that, And also I think young women feel
this way too, but not quite the way older women do.
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Older women after a certain age begin to feel invisible,
and I don't want them to because I believe that
a woman can be beautiful at every age when she
realizes that it's her inner beauty that is really important.
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Isn't that hard in the society though, where it's so
much about aesthetics and how you look and what you
wear and what your body is. I mean, how how
do we actually practice that? Do you watch Um? Do
you watch Grayce and Frankie? I have, yes, there was
one great episode. I don't watch it religiously, but I
really do like it and the creator, Marcha Kaufman, is
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a friend of mine, and there's one episode where they
start to realize that they are They're invisible. You don't
walk into a store anymore and have anybody look at you,
either because you're hot or because they think that you're
going to steal or whatever. You're just an old lady.
And they were so invisible that they were standing at
the counter waiting to be helped and literally no one.
She said, we're invisible. Nobody's looking at us, which then
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led to them shoplifting many items of gum and candy,
which I thought was pretty funny. But but I think
it's true, and I think it is really really hard,
particularly for women who have been always kind of noticed
and appreciated for their looks, to all of a sudden
walk into a room or walk down the street and
not be noticed or appreciate it. How How can we
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as women kind of take that to heart and be
able to self love and appreciate even if we're not
getting that kind of outside stimulation and appreciation for the
way that we look. Well, I think that you have
to have a positive attitude, and I actually think that
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if you can just understand, let's take a woman walking
into a room and she has gray hair. She's not beautiful,
and you're in that room. I'm in that room, and
there's a lot of women in the room, and she
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stands out Why because of that inner beauty, Because she
has that sparkle in her eye, that smile on her face.
She walks tall, she's got assassiness about her because she's
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good to herself and she likes herself. Now, I understand
that that um getting older too many women is not
a piece of cake. But I have to tell you
I have met so many women of my generation and
a little younger that are so active and do so
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many interesting things. They can talk about travel, you know,
they have time now people want to listen to them.
And I have so many friends. Most have not remarried,
but they all have partners. And they are not raving beauties.
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Believe me, you say that. But I have to tell
you one story about my friend Joyce. Now, Joyce is
now in her late eighties, and she told me this
story over twenty years ago. She lived in Manhattan and
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she owned a small newspaper. What happened to her is
what you said. She started walking down Fifth Avenue or
Madison Avenue, and no one was looking at her. And
after this happened a few times, when she arrived home,
she talked to her husband, Jerry, and she said, Jerry,
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I can't live in New York any longer. I reinvent
myself every ten years, and I'm at a point right
now I don't know how to reinvent myself. So I
think we should move. And he said where? And she said,
I think we should move to Palm Springs, California, because
everyone will be my age and I will reinvent myself
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and I will have a fabulous life. And she did
that and he went along with it. I was gonna
say what happened to Jerry. He went, okay, of course.
She became a jewelry designer and she sold jewelry and
made jewelry, and she became a great bridge player. And
she did not play golf, but she played the other
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card games. And when she would walk into a room,
everyone looked at Joyce because Joyce was inside happy. So
I don't know what the magic formula is. I guess
you have to have self esteem, and you have to
feel worthy of yourself, and you have to be a
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positive woman. And if you're not, hang out with positive women. Well,
let's talk about that. Let's talk about who people with
whom you surround yourself. I think you said a woman's
style is her biography, and you really built an industry
around women needing women. Let's call this a sorority of yours.
Why is this so important for those of us over fifty,
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I mean, why, now more than ever, do we really
need our sisters to be here with us? Well, I
think that women need women. Many women over fifty, unfortunately,
are divorced, their widowed, They live far away from their
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family because the kids have all scattered, so they're grandmothers
from Afar, and they need women. Now, you have to
be a good picker, just like you have to be
a good picker of a husband. You have to be
a good picker of women that you choose to be
in your life. And I have found that quite frankly.
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I started groups, and I was written up in the
New York Times because one of my groups that I
started was multigenerational and I had women, ten women. I
chose them. They came to my home in Chicago. They
were not good friends, and some of them didn't even
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know one another. And they were from age to and
after two hours, they did not want to leave. Wow.
And they were strangers and they communicated. You know, women
like to talk, yes, right, yes, and women really do
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have a lot to offer one another. Yes, So I
love that. All right? Tell us about mascara because I
know you posted on your Facebook page last week the
best mascaras for women over fifty? Are there different mascaras
that are better for older women than younger women? Well,
I don't really know that, to be really honest, but
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I know what I like, okay, and I know what
other women like. So one product is Bobby Brown's Love Her.
What I like, I have very long lashes. I don't
wear false eyelashes. I happen to like Chanel, but I
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also like Lorelle. So one is very high price and
one is lower priced. And for all I know, the
same formula might be in Walgreens right in the loureale.
I don't know. I also like Sisily m and Um
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for watery eyes. I think that the best is a
Clinique long lash, and I know a lot of people
like Clinique. Okay. By the way, I'm friendly with Drew
Barrymore and she has, you know, her own line of cosmetics,
And she did say that that the more expensive products
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cosmetic wise, particular lipsticks, which is what we were talking about.
The expense comes from the packaging, these beautiful Chanel packages
and the way that they add some rose essence into
the lipstick whatever. That is why they cost more rather
than the actual formula. So you might be completely right
about the fact that what you're buying at the drug
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store is pretty much the same product as what you're buying,
you know, at in the Chanelle boutique or whatever. Can
I mention Drew very more? Yes, I watched every Sunday.
We watched Sunday Morning. Yes, did you watch her? I didn't.
I did not. I don't watch that show generally. I
was on at one time. But was she She was
on it UM plugging her new talk show. Yes, and
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was she great? Fabulous? It's fabulous. I wish her all
the best with her show because I think it really
there was I think should be very good. I do too,
I really do. People love her, they love watching her,
and I think it'll be great. Okay, are you ready
for me to swear you in? Yeah, to tell the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So Honey,
(34:05):
which relationship in your life has had the most profound
impact My husband, Sheldon good, without doubt. I hope he
listens to this episode. Hi, Shelley, tell him every day? Good.
What is your favorite love song? Well, when we first
snap we went to Mexico and he would saying, I
(34:26):
just called to say I love you that Lionel Or
is that Stevie Stevie? Okay, sorry Stevie, Laura. It is
a good one, all right. What's the one piece of advice, honey,
that you'd share with your twentysomething yr old self, Rob,
(34:50):
My role model is my mom, and my mom always
lived outside the box, and I live outside the box.
My mom tried everything. The only thing she didn't do
was on a company. So I would say positivity and
living outside the box. I like curious. I like that too.
(35:12):
I think too many people are, particularly now with pandemic
and the way we're living, too many people are inside
the box. I'm not saying go be unsafe. I'm just saying,
try to figure out a way, even with the constraints
that we are having to live under these days, if
thinking outside the box, that's a good one. Which romantic
comedy could you watch on repeat. Oh that's a good one,
(35:35):
to tell you the truth. I really don't watch comedies, okay.
I like war movies. I like documentaries. I like Oh
I know, I know, I'm sorry. That's okay, it's favorite
and every night we watch it. Oh god, Seinfeld, I
(35:57):
don't think we've ever heard that one, and oh god,
they have very funny night and the situations that they
get into, there's definitely a wrong com element there and
it's hysterical. It is hys Now do you watch the
Larry David Show also? I used to Okay, yeah, I
(36:18):
think he's hysterical to Alright, Susan, honey Good, you're beyond good.
You're absolutely grand. Thank you for sharing your empowering message
of Maxie with us all today on All's Fair. Tell
my listeners where they can find you online. Please. You
can find me online at honey Good dot com and
(36:42):
I am of course on Instagram at I am Good,
fantastic And you are honey Goood. You're you're wonderful. Thank you,
you rock. Thank you for being with us today. What
a great and shining example for everybody listening. Um, I
appreciate you being with us and your words of wisdom. Rob,
(37:05):
thank you so much from writing me, and it was
a pleasure meeting both of you, and I wish you
a happy day. Thank you as well. Thanks so much, Honey, goodbye,
Thank you. She was fun, Yeah, very interesting, and I
mean who would have imagined the stories that she'd tell.
(37:27):
I know, I thought you said she had seven grandchild him.
Did she lose one or did she forget one? It's
a very good question because doing the research for this
this episode, like, there's twenty five grandchildren, twenty six grandchildren,
twenty seven grands it's hard to keep up. Yeah, I
wanted you to ask her if she could name them all. Yeah,
I didn't because if she could, I didn't want to
(37:49):
have to listen to it. But, um, how old do
you think she is? I would say, Okay, So she
told the story about her friend who was in her
eighties right in New York City, so somewhere between seventy
five and I bet she's younger. I bet she's younger.
You couldn't find that anywhere in the research. No, it
(38:11):
is not online anywhere in the Internet has been wiped
clean of honey goods age. Well, anyway, I liked her.
I thought she was cool, and I do love that
she's putting this community together for women, and I love
what she said about the group that she had that
was like women from twenty eight to ninety whatever, because
I do think that too often these days we dismiss
(38:34):
kind of our elders, And yeah, some of them are dismissible,
but some of them have some really good ship to say,
and I think if we listen, we could save ourselves
a lot of time and and heartache if we took
some of these wise women and and men's words to heart.
So that's why I'm doing this podcast at fifty two,
I guess. Anyway, thank you Johnny for joining me, and
(38:58):
thank you all for listening and following us at It's
over Easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, rate us at Apple Podcast,
and remember, we cannot do this without you. We'll be
back next week. Here you then,
Hi there. It's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and
the founder of It's over Easy, the online divorce service.
I've been practicing family law for over twenty years and
I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what
may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives.
Along the way, I often have to remind people to
(00:21):
lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart.
Rules simply don't apply. Because all's fair in love and war.
So welcome to the All's Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelt
and let's go. Hey guys, I'm Laura, and this is
All's Fair with Laura Wasser. Johnny Rains is here too.
(00:42):
Hey everybody. So, um, we have a cool show today,
but I wanted to do a little update because we
have now kind of moved into the fall. We are
finishing our year, and we are still in our homes. Yes, still.
COVID nineteen has gone nowhere. Yeah, and so we never
(01:03):
thought it would last for this long. I've had a
lot of people asking me in other interviews what it's
done to the divorce rate, how things are happening. Um,
I know one of our stories today has to do
with China, which was kind of the leader for us
on what was happening with divorce during COVID. We have
seen a bit of a spike in divorces on me
It's over Easy website because I think people are more
(01:26):
willing to do this at home and wanting to be
able to do it without having to see a lawyer.
I also think people are holding off as a result
of being at home with their spouses and not being
able to have anywhere to go. You will remember, at
the outside of this, I said, I don't think it's
going to cause a spike in divorce because I think
people are really going to dig deep and deal with
their issues. That would have been the case for three months. Well,
(01:52):
it's it's still kind of crazy that the way that
COVID has impacted all of our relationships. I mean, all
this video dating and talking and I know you're you
are still doing probably video hearings and video hearings. I
have a video deposition tomorrow. I mean it's very and look.
I mean I also have had a few two or
three court appearances where I go down to Los Angeles
(02:14):
Superior Court wearing a mask, making my arguments. I actually
prefer to do them via zoom. But it's it's weird, man,
I mean, you know, exchanging documents, having to look things over,
not being right there next to your client. It's definitely
we're all getting a little bit more tech savvy, and
we are also, I think, unfortunately, getting a little bit
less tactile. I remember when this all started. I think
(02:37):
it was Hollywood recorder interviewed a bunch of people and said,
are you still you know, touching people? And this was early,
this is like, you know, February March, and I said,
in my business, I think it's still really important to
shake hands because I think people need that, you know,
touch to say you can trust me, we're making a deal.
I mean, that's like gone, you know, I haven't touched
anybody in do you want to write? But perhaps that's
(03:00):
a perfect segue in back into that story from China
about the woman whose horrible, horrible husband abused her um
and and to the point where she was had to
jump out of a window to escape from him. And
still the courts in China they wouldn't grant her a divorce, right, Yes,
(03:22):
I mean, look, there's not a lot of great stuff
about divorce except for being able to move onto the
next chapter. But we definitely have it better here in
the US than we do in other countries. As you know, Johnny,
the evolution of dissolution that we're working towards with it's
over easy. I mean right now we're only in the US.
But the idea that people kind of through education can
(03:44):
get a little bit more enlightened as to how they
can move through their relationships and divorces is what we're
all about. Yes, And finally, I mean thankfully she was
able to get divorced after the video from the security
tapes in the store where her husband was beating that
you to jump out of the window to escape from
went viral around the world and it caused the I
(04:05):
guess the family law courts in China to reverse their
decision and allow her to get divorced. Moving on to
happier news, there was the cutest lesbian couple in the
New York Times Vows section who just got married and
had over ten thousand people expressed interest in coming to
their wedding. Are coming virtually to our earlier point, Um.
(04:28):
They are the lovely Jody and Morgan and Chaya milkteen
of Milwaukee and tell us about Jordan's and Chaya's wedding. Well,
it was interesting because it was intimate in one way,
because it was really actually it was only the two
of them and the officiant in person live. But then
(04:50):
they posted it on Facebook and ten thousand people expressed
interest or indicated they were going to watch the wedding
after it was posted as a public event on Facebook.
The pair chose Indianapolis because it's known as the elopement
capital of the Midwest. Did you know that, Laura, No,
I didn't. What is elopement? Yes? Moving on ended up
(05:14):
having about sixteen hundred viewers share blessings and gratitude in
the common section of the live feed, and the public
event offered away for family members who are less supportive
of them to tune into the live stream. It's very
interesting so they can talk about that while they were
watching the wedding. One of the grandmothers the chick, Chaia
Milk teen, she grew up in a Hasidic Jewish household
(05:37):
before she went into foster care as a teenager. She
doesn't speak with her parents. I think it's probably then hyah, sorry, yes, yes,
thank you. Hia Milk teen. She doesn't talk to her
parents any longer, but she does talk to one of
her grandmother's. Her grandmother said to her after the ceremony,
because she did watch that, she almost shed a tear. Almost. Okay,
(06:01):
well that's close. I think everyone should get married, at
least once I did. I was twenty five, and my
own marriage lasted only about fourteen months, which turned out
to be good because meant we didn't have such a
difficult time untangling our lives. This is, unfortunately not the
case for most people who get divorced later in life,
and though the divorce statistics from a variety of sources
(06:21):
show that millennials are decimating the divorce rate by not
getting divorced or not getting married in the first place,
for that matter. According to the Pew Research Center, among
US adults aged fifty and older, the divorce rate has
roughly doubled since the nineteen nineties, and according to the
National Center for Health Statistics and the US Census Bureau,
among those aged sixty five and older, the divorce rate
(06:45):
has roughly tripled. You can find my guide to Getting
Divorced over fifty un honey Good dot com and for
those of you who don't know about honey Good dot com,
you should, especially if you're a woman over fifty. It's
the award winning lifestyle hub created by Susan honey Good
that turns hundreds of thousands of women over fifty into girlfriends.
(07:06):
Welcome to all, spare Susan honey Good. Hi Honey, Hi Laura.
How are you. I'm nice to be here. I'm well thanks,
We're really glad to have you here. Tell our listeners,
how did you acquire the name honey Good? I love
it well. I acquired the name Good from my husband,
Sheldon Good, and it's the best last name anyone could have.
(07:30):
And Honey is my grandmother name. I was a very
young grandmother and my daughter was a very young mother.
And she looked at me one day and she said, Mom,
I look like the babysitter and you look like Robbie's mom.
So how can I ever call you grandmother? I said, well,
(07:55):
what should he call me? And she looked at me
and she said, Honey, it's stuck. And now I'm your
proud grandmother. In a London family of grandchildren twenty six.
I read that somewhere, Jeez, Louise and and what are
(08:15):
the age ranges. The age ranges are high school to marriage,
so sixteen. My husband's children are in their thirties, six
and not so. How many kids do you have that
are your biological kids? I have two daughters and my
husband had two sons. One um is no longer with us. Okay.
(08:41):
And you lost your first husband, Michael, when you were
in your forties. How did you recover from that? And
on the show we talk a lot about next chapters,
whether they be by death, divorce, I mean, give some
advice to our listeners about how you moved on to
the next chapter, which seems like it's a pretty good one. Well,
first of all, I lost my husband instantly, so it
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was it was a terrible shock. And um, I had
my head teenage daughters. And I was very lucky because
for some unknown reason, I was able to trust my
instincts and actually the signals that my heart gave me
(09:33):
and my mind gave me, and so I was able
to go through this process and almost, I don't want
to say a surreal way, but a way in which
I could connect so strongly to my feelings that through
(09:55):
the four different stages I was able to come out
of my widowhood feeling that the process worked for me.
You know a lot of people they race out right away,
they can't confront their feelings. A lot of people run
to um, a psychologist or a psycho a psychiatrist. But
(10:21):
I was able to just emerge within myself. And I
did this in different ways. And what's especially interesting is
that I had never lost anyone. I had never even
lost a pet. So the first thing I did is
(10:45):
I walked, and every day I walked four miles in
the morning and four miles in the afternoon with my pooch, Mohallow.
I was very fortunate because I lived in the Hawaiian Islands,
which is a very special place to heal. So by walking,
(11:05):
I was able to get in touch with myself and
I also felt I was doing something that was healthy,
so that that was one of the things um that
I did. And a second thing was that I decided
to move out of our home, which most people don't
(11:26):
do because the memories were too too great. So I
took everything that meant something to me and I moved
into an apartment on the sea that where I felt
like I was in a cocoon, and my living space
(11:51):
was so peaceful because you have People don't understand that
when you have a tremendous jolt like I did and
other women have, you can no longer even concentrate. It's eerie,
you know. I got up every day, I put on
(12:12):
my lipstick, I watched my pouch, but I could not
concentrate at all. So living in these peaceful surroundings it
was very healing for me. And I trusted my I trusted,
as I told you before, my instincts, and I went
(12:33):
with the flaw. So that's what I did and it worked.
That's huge. And I think you have a blog article
how I survived the loss of my husband. Is that
story in that article? Yes, it is good because I
know that there's gonna be people who want to read
more about that. Now. I know that you and Sheldon
(12:54):
are featured in Ari Seth Cohen's coffee table book Advanced Love.
I've seeing some of this vote as, which are great,
so but you guys, this is a coffee table book
that features subjects who proved that love is bound by
neither the constraints of age or time. So tell us
how you met Sheldon and what, in your opinion, honey,
is the secret of success in a second marriage. Well,
(13:16):
I met Shelly through a friend, and my friend had
been my friends since I was six years old. She
went out on a date with him and unselfishly said
to me, I found you the most perfect husband. And
of course I said, it's a good friend I know,
(13:39):
And of course I said, I'm not interested. It was
seven months after Michael passed away. She went back to Shelly,
and she and he called me and I told him
that I was going to be coming into Chicago because
I decided I was going to leave Hannah Lulu with
(14:01):
my daughters and settled near my family, which was a
year in a day in Chicago. But it would be
a year and a day after Michael died. But I
was coming in to look for our living arrangements, and
I met him, and oh my god, I couldn't believe
what happened. And I'm telling you this because this is
(14:24):
what I think is so important. I was staying with
my parents and I had to come out involving glass doors,
and the minute I saw him, my heart went pitter patter,
and it's still pitter pattering twenty eight years later. I
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couldn't control it. I could not control what was going
on in my body? And I had never met the man.
So he took me out to brunch as Hume Room
in Chicago, and after two hours he looked at me
(15:08):
and he's sad. I have been a widower for six
years and I am going to marry you. Oh my god, Now,
what how did you feel? Was that good? Was that scary?
Was that weird? I'm in most women longed to hear that.
But you had been You've already you already were married,
(15:29):
you are already a parent, You've been through this instantaneous,
painful death, you had just moved. So what what were
your feelings? I have to tell you the truth. I
was so excited. I couldn't help it. It just happened.
I wasn't looking for it, and I didn't feel guilty
(15:53):
thinking back right now, I was just I was overjoyed,
but I have very strong values, and realizing I was
the mother of two daughters, I told him that I
would not see him until a year in a day
(16:14):
after Michael passed away, because when I lost Michael and
my children lost their father, it was so riveting. It's
the only word I can think to describe what happened
in our lives. So I was very cognizant of others
(16:35):
beside myself, my children, and so it was a little
bit of a mix. But this is what I think
women should look for, whether they're in their twenties or
their seventies, or eighties or fifties, the most important thing
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to look for in order to have a successful marriage
is to be in sync with one another. And by
that I mean if you like everything that your spouse likes,
and that doesn't mean that you don't have your individual
(17:20):
feelings and opinions. What can you really argue about? Right
there is the matter of the sleep divorce. You could
still argue over who's going to keep the left or
the right side of the bed or staying inside. I
just had to say, I can always find something to
(17:41):
argue about, but I just have to tell you. During
that runch, Shelley said to me. Now, he had been
a widower for six years. He said, you, Now, when
I started dating, I didn't think religion mattered. I found
(18:03):
out it did interesting, and I found out other things
that were very important to me. And so two years
ago or a year ago, I made a list of
what I needed in a wife, and you are the recipe.
The first thing was you had to be very sexually
(18:26):
attracted to one another, and we were. And then the
list goes on. He wanted to marry a woman that
did not have small children. He had gone through the
process once, he did not care to go through it
a second time. And how old were the girls at
(18:48):
this point? My girls were in their late teens and
early twenties. Check his kids were in their thirties. Okay.
He wanted to marry woman that was educated. He wanted
to marry a woman whose values matched his. He wanted
to marry a woman that like to travel. He wanted
(19:14):
to marry um. I can't even think of all of them,
but all I can tell you is that every single
thing on his own, this was really interesting. He wanted
to marry a woman from out of town. And I
said why. He said, because I don't want to ever
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think that we are out socially and we run into
someone you went out with, or any woman. Right. It
was just that was to me the strangest but understandable.
But I understand. So he really thought wrong and hard
(19:59):
and everything that he mentioned I was the perfect recipe,
and I felt the same about him. So the only thing,
and Johnny mentioned where you have to argue about something.
All we do one thing. Money really not a lot.
But you know, women, really, I'm a gather, you know,
(20:22):
I love to buy gifts for everyone. I love to
buy things. I'm a gather and most men are not spenders,
you know the way women spent. And my husband does
love beautiful things, don't get me wrong. So he would
say to me, did you really need that? And then
(20:44):
I would say, I think I did. He said. Many
would say, oh, well, you know, you can have anything
you want. But I was not a woman that just
went out and you know it was crazy. But that
that see, is to be the one issue we have.
But we love to We love the same foods, we
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love to travel to the same places. So if you
choose a spouse like that you are in sync with.
There's a lot of camaraderie. There's a good mix, right,
And I think too many women think that they may
be able to change a man. You know, when you
meet a man, you know your heart gives you a signal. Yeah, right, yep,
(21:31):
do you give you one? It gives me one too
often unfortunately, but yes, I mean it, it has it
does I totally agree with what you were saying earlier
about instincts and and particularly with women. I mean, we
have good instincts. We need to follow them. I think
we know. I see so many young women now their
(21:53):
own blogs and podcasts and TikTok and all these things
where they're giving or discussing dating it if I and
what I see so often are the same things being
said about red flags. And these are women in their twenties.
I mean, you know, you know, if somebody doesn't seem
to be honest, you know, if somebody I mean, you know,
(22:14):
one thing that always has been a huge, huge turn
off for me is a guy who's cheap if he
doesn't tip, you know, that says a lot about him
to me. So but and I mean, maybe there are
things that you could change if they're little like that,
But there's so much that flows through some of those
red flags, and we really do know pretty early on.
One of the things I love about your story, Honey,
(22:37):
and Sheldon's is the fact that he knew what he wanted,
He made a list. I think there's so many men
and women, but partarly younger men that really don't know
what they want. They don't know. I mean, if somebody's hot,
then let's go and see how it is. Whatever. But
having these kind of conversations about what it is that's
important to you and really knowing not just what you want,
but what you don't want or what you wouldn't have.
(22:59):
I mean, look, I admire his honesty. He did not
want to be with somebody that had young children. Doesn't
make him a bad guy. Been there, done that, not
interested in getting up in the middle of the night,
going to parents, knights, whatever. I respect him for knowing
what he wanted and being able to articulate it and
then following what his both mind and heart said in
(23:20):
terms of what would be a good match. And I'm
so happy for the two of you that you found
each other. Oh, I am too. You're listening to All's
Fair with Laura Wasser. I'm Laura, and today's show is
about next Chapters and empowering grand women with Moxie. Our
guest today is often referred to as the cool twenty
(23:41):
one century grandmother. She's none other than the award winning
lifestyle blogger, entrepreneur, and author Susan honey Good, who uphended
her dazzling life to help herself and other women over
fifty restore purpose, positivity, and visibility in their own lives
through her musings on Honeygood dot com, her stylish interactive
book Stories for My Grandchild, and her grand Women with
(24:04):
Moxi Facebook group. So, honey, let's talk about your website,
honey Good dot com and your grand following on social media.
What's the most important message women over fifty need to
hear and know? Well, that's a challenging question, but I
would say that, And also I think young women feel
this way too, but not quite the way older women do.
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Older women after a certain age begin to feel invisible,
and I don't want them to because I believe that
a woman can be beautiful at every age when she
realizes that it's her inner beauty that is really important.
(24:53):
Isn't that hard in the society though, where it's so
much about aesthetics and how you look and what you
wear and what your body is. I mean, how how
do we actually practice that? Do you watch Um? Do
you watch Grayce and Frankie? I have, yes, there was
one great episode. I don't watch it religiously, but I
really do like it and the creator, Marcha Kaufman, is
(25:16):
a friend of mine, and there's one episode where they
start to realize that they are They're invisible. You don't
walk into a store anymore and have anybody look at you,
either because you're hot or because they think that you're
going to steal or whatever. You're just an old lady.
And they were so invisible that they were standing at
the counter waiting to be helped and literally no one.
She said, we're invisible. Nobody's looking at us, which then
(25:36):
led to them shoplifting many items of gum and candy,
which I thought was pretty funny. But but I think
it's true, and I think it is really really hard,
particularly for women who have been always kind of noticed
and appreciated for their looks, to all of a sudden
walk into a room or walk down the street and
not be noticed or appreciate it. How How can we
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as women kind of take that to heart and be
able to self love and appreciate even if we're not
getting that kind of outside stimulation and appreciation for the
way that we look. Well, I think that you have
to have a positive attitude, and I actually think that
(26:22):
if you can just understand, let's take a woman walking
into a room and she has gray hair. She's not beautiful,
and you're in that room. I'm in that room, and
there's a lot of women in the room, and she
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stands out Why because of that inner beauty, Because she
has that sparkle in her eye, that smile on her face.
She walks tall, she's got assassiness about her because she's
(27:03):
good to herself and she likes herself. Now, I understand
that that um getting older too many women is not
a piece of cake. But I have to tell you
I have met so many women of my generation and
a little younger that are so active and do so
(27:27):
many interesting things. They can talk about travel, you know,
they have time now people want to listen to them.
And I have so many friends. Most have not remarried,
but they all have partners. And they are not raving beauties.
(27:49):
Believe me, you say that. But I have to tell
you one story about my friend Joyce. Now, Joyce is
now in her late eighties, and she told me this
story over twenty years ago. She lived in Manhattan and
(28:12):
she owned a small newspaper. What happened to her is
what you said. She started walking down Fifth Avenue or
Madison Avenue, and no one was looking at her. And
after this happened a few times, when she arrived home,
she talked to her husband, Jerry, and she said, Jerry,
(28:32):
I can't live in New York any longer. I reinvent
myself every ten years, and I'm at a point right
now I don't know how to reinvent myself. So I
think we should move. And he said where? And she said,
I think we should move to Palm Springs, California, because
everyone will be my age and I will reinvent myself
(28:56):
and I will have a fabulous life. And she did
that and he went along with it. I was gonna
say what happened to Jerry. He went, okay, of course.
She became a jewelry designer and she sold jewelry and
made jewelry, and she became a great bridge player. And
she did not play golf, but she played the other
(29:19):
card games. And when she would walk into a room,
everyone looked at Joyce because Joyce was inside happy. So
I don't know what the magic formula is. I guess
you have to have self esteem, and you have to
feel worthy of yourself, and you have to be a
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positive woman. And if you're not, hang out with positive women. Well,
let's talk about that. Let's talk about who people with
whom you surround yourself. I think you said a woman's
style is her biography, and you really built an industry
around women needing women. Let's call this a sorority of yours.
Why is this so important for those of us over fifty,
(30:04):
I mean, why, now more than ever, do we really
need our sisters to be here with us? Well, I
think that women need women. Many women over fifty, unfortunately,
are divorced, their widowed, They live far away from their
(30:24):
family because the kids have all scattered, so they're grandmothers
from Afar, and they need women. Now, you have to
be a good picker, just like you have to be
a good picker of a husband. You have to be
a good picker of women that you choose to be
in your life. And I have found that quite frankly.
(30:46):
I started groups, and I was written up in the
New York Times because one of my groups that I
started was multigenerational and I had women, ten women. I
chose them. They came to my home in Chicago. They
were not good friends, and some of them didn't even
(31:08):
know one another. And they were from age to and
after two hours, they did not want to leave. Wow.
And they were strangers and they communicated. You know, women
like to talk, yes, right, yes, and women really do
(31:30):
have a lot to offer one another. Yes, So I
love that. All right? Tell us about mascara because I
know you posted on your Facebook page last week the
best mascaras for women over fifty? Are there different mascaras
that are better for older women than younger women? Well,
I don't really know that, to be really honest, but
(31:52):
I know what I like, okay, and I know what
other women like. So one product is Bobby Brown's Love Her.
What I like, I have very long lashes. I don't
wear false eyelashes. I happen to like Chanel, but I
(32:13):
also like Lorelle. So one is very high price and
one is lower priced. And for all I know, the
same formula might be in Walgreens right in the loureale.
I don't know. I also like Sisily m and Um
(32:36):
for watery eyes. I think that the best is a
Clinique long lash, and I know a lot of people
like Clinique. Okay. By the way, I'm friendly with Drew
Barrymore and she has, you know, her own line of cosmetics,
And she did say that that the more expensive products
(32:57):
cosmetic wise, particular lipsticks, which is what we were talking about.
The expense comes from the packaging, these beautiful Chanel packages
and the way that they add some rose essence into
the lipstick whatever. That is why they cost more rather
than the actual formula. So you might be completely right
about the fact that what you're buying at the drug
(33:18):
store is pretty much the same product as what you're buying,
you know, at in the Chanelle boutique or whatever. Can
I mention Drew very more? Yes, I watched every Sunday.
We watched Sunday Morning. Yes, did you watch her? I didn't.
I did not. I don't watch that show generally. I
was on at one time. But was she She was
on it UM plugging her new talk show. Yes, and
(33:41):
was she great? Fabulous? It's fabulous. I wish her all
the best with her show because I think it really
there was I think should be very good. I do too,
I really do. People love her, they love watching her,
and I think it'll be great. Okay, are you ready
for me to swear you in? Yeah, to tell the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So Honey,
(34:05):
which relationship in your life has had the most profound
impact My husband, Sheldon good, without doubt. I hope he
listens to this episode. Hi, Shelley, tell him every day? Good.
What is your favorite love song? Well, when we first
snap we went to Mexico and he would saying, I
(34:26):
just called to say I love you that Lionel Or
is that Stevie Stevie? Okay, sorry Stevie, Laura. It is
a good one, all right. What's the one piece of advice, honey,
that you'd share with your twentysomething yr old self, Rob,
(34:50):
My role model is my mom, and my mom always
lived outside the box, and I live outside the box.
My mom tried everything. The only thing she didn't do
was on a company. So I would say positivity and
living outside the box. I like curious. I like that too.
(35:12):
I think too many people are, particularly now with pandemic
and the way we're living, too many people are inside
the box. I'm not saying go be unsafe. I'm just saying,
try to figure out a way, even with the constraints
that we are having to live under these days, if
thinking outside the box, that's a good one. Which romantic
comedy could you watch on repeat. Oh that's a good one,
(35:35):
to tell you the truth. I really don't watch comedies, okay.
I like war movies. I like documentaries. I like Oh
I know, I know, I'm sorry. That's okay, it's favorite
and every night we watch it. Oh god, Seinfeld, I
(35:57):
don't think we've ever heard that one, and oh god,
they have very funny night and the situations that they
get into, there's definitely a wrong com element there and
it's hysterical. It is hys Now do you watch the
Larry David Show also? I used to Okay, yeah, I
(36:18):
think he's hysterical to Alright, Susan, honey Good, you're beyond good.
You're absolutely grand. Thank you for sharing your empowering message
of Maxie with us all today on All's Fair. Tell
my listeners where they can find you online. Please. You
can find me online at honey Good dot com and
(36:42):
I am of course on Instagram at I am Good,
fantastic And you are honey Goood. You're you're wonderful. Thank you,
you rock. Thank you for being with us today. What
a great and shining example for everybody listening. Um, I
appreciate you being with us and your words of wisdom. Rob,
(37:05):
thank you so much from writing me, and it was
a pleasure meeting both of you, and I wish you
a happy day. Thank you as well. Thanks so much, Honey, goodbye,
Thank you. She was fun, Yeah, very interesting, and I
mean who would have imagined the stories that she'd tell.
(37:27):
I know, I thought you said she had seven grandchild him.
Did she lose one or did she forget one? It's
a very good question because doing the research for this
this episode, like, there's twenty five grandchildren, twenty six grandchildren,
twenty seven grands it's hard to keep up. Yeah, I
wanted you to ask her if she could name them all. Yeah,
I didn't because if she could, I didn't want to
(37:49):
have to listen to it. But, um, how old do
you think she is? I would say, Okay, So she
told the story about her friend who was in her
eighties right in New York City, so somewhere between seventy
five and I bet she's younger. I bet she's younger.
You couldn't find that anywhere in the research. No, it
(38:11):
is not online anywhere in the Internet has been wiped
clean of honey goods age. Well, anyway, I liked her.
I thought she was cool, and I do love that
she's putting this community together for women, and I love
what she said about the group that she had that
was like women from twenty eight to ninety whatever, because
I do think that too often these days we dismiss
(38:34):
kind of our elders, And yeah, some of them are dismissible,
but some of them have some really good ship to say,
and I think if we listen, we could save ourselves
a lot of time and and heartache if we took
some of these wise women and and men's words to heart.
So that's why I'm doing this podcast at fifty two,
I guess. Anyway, thank you Johnny for joining me, and
(38:58):
thank you all for listening and following us at It's
over Easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, rate us at Apple Podcast,
and remember, we cannot do this without you. We'll be
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