February 12, 2025 • 32 mins
In 1979, Nelson Rockefeller, a member of the esteemed Rockefeller family and also the former Vice President and Governor of New York, died. And it might have happened while he was banging it out. As New York Magazine reported, “Nelson thought he was coming, but he was going.”
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
School of Humans. How's everyone doing in Trump's America? Here
we are?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Or really, should we say Elon Musk's America? Make America?
Elon Musk again, I love that he could have access
to my Social Security number. Maybe he'll steal my identity,
and if he steals it, maybe I'll have better credit.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But Elon, you know, he's not the first billionaire who's
been involved in our government. Oh no, billionaires since they've existed,
they try to be up in the guts of the government.
You know, they want their own regulations, they want to
be able to make more money.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They're like, government, go away, let me do this, etc.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And that goes all the way back to you know,
when we first had bazillionaires, you know, with the Carnegie
and the Rockefellers. These families have been in the private sector,
they've been in the public sector, they're in the government.
They're everywhere, just putting their grubby little hands in our business.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And Elon Musk, you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Know, he's not the first billionaire to be appointed by
the president to do a special task.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
These old families, these old billionaire families, they are also
doing that, including this one specific guy, Nelson Rockefeller. Have
you guys heard of him? In the chain of command.
He was actually the grandson of John D. Rockefeller, who
was the first one who made all the money. And
Nelson he got to the office of the Vice president
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under Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was very brief, but he was there. People looked
up to him.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
They're like, wow, he's a billionaire, he must know what's up. Also,
he's wearing really thick glasses, so you know, he's a
smarty pants. And Nelson Rockefeller, Yeah, he had a pretty
robust life and government. He did a lot, a lot
of stuff. He was the governor of New York for
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a long time. He tried his best to fight communism,
you know, a huge threat.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He did a lot of stuff, you.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Know, because he's a billionaire and he can just have
access to whatever he wants. But with that context, it
makes it all the more fun that Nelson Rockefeller made
it onto this one Wikipedia page that I love that
is entitled death during consensual sex.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Ah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
A lot of people think Nelson Rockefeller met his end
while he was banging. Actually, the New York magazine said
it much better than I just did. In nineteen seventy nine,
when all this was going down, They wrote, Nelson thought
he was coming, but he.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Was going.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
With that. Cue the theme song. This is American filth
and I'm Gabby Watts.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I tell you a.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Filthy story from American history. This week's episode, death by
Sex a Rockefeller story. By the way, one of my
friends recently told me that she thinks the theme song
sounds like the Veggie Tails theme song, So.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Let me know if you agree.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So, yeah, I was just complaining about billionaires. But it's
also the week of Valentine's Day. It's a week of love.
It's a week of appreciating your significant other. So today's
episode it's just not about me shitting on billionaires and
how they've been infiltrating our government for more than a century.
(03:50):
This episode is also a little bit about love, because
sometimes you love so hard that you just die from it.
So how the heck did Nelson Rockefeller get on the
page death by Consensual Sex? While the trouble began when
he started having an affair with a much younger woman.
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She was almost a half century younger than him, which
that was a silly goose move of him. You know,
you can't keep up with a twenty five year old
without hurting yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What a silly man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
As a billionaire, Nelson Rockefeller went on to have a.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Very successful career.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But if he had just been an average American kid,
he would have been considered a bit of a dumb
dumb Okay, he didn't get good grades.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He didn't even get into Princeton, which is where all
the Rockefellers had been going. How embarrassing for him.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Anyone can get into Princeton I did, What a dumbass.
Instead he had to go to Dartmouth, heaven forbid. But
despite being really bad at reading, which people now think
is probably because he had dyslexia, he was relentless and
pursuing success. And by relentless, I mean he came from
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immense wealth, could do anything he wanted, all while someone
else fluffed his pillows at night.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like Elon musty crotch.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Nelson Rockefeller's political career started with an appointment from the
president because after college, Nelson he went into the Rockefeller business,
and a lot of his business took him to Latin America,
And in nineteen forty he approached FDR and was like,
mister President, I've been in Latin America a lot, and
(05:37):
I got some news for you. There is a lot
of communism happening, and you should appoint me to your
government to fix that, because I am well situated and
I know Spanish, and as you all know, communism is
the greatest evil that has ever existed. Actually, perhaps it's
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the second greatest evil. The first most evil thing is
people who listen to videos on full blast in public
on their phones. That's the first evil, and then it's communism.
But anyway, Nelson Rockefeller said this to FDR, and FDR
was like, wow, mister billionaire man, you are correct. We
must stop communism.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Even though all of my public works programs during the
Great Depression resemble socialism. Let's just forget about that communism.
Evil public works projects.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So Nelson Rockefeller got to work and through that special
position to the president, he became one of the guys
for foreign affairs, and then during the Cold War, kind
of like Elon Musk's now, a lot of politicians thought
he had too much power, that he was overreaching, talking
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too much shit, saying too much to.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Then President Eisenhower.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Under Eisenhower, Nelson had been appointed as an advisor not
just to foreign affairs, but also as an expert on
psychological warfare. Yes, fellas, being good at manipulating people can
lead you to a job. Gaslighting your girlfriend is actually
considered professional development. During his time as an advisor, Nelson
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Rockefeller tried to create a group within the government that
would tell the CIA what to do, specifically when it
came to communism. But then the head of the CIA,
Alan Dulles, was like, fuck that, leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I'm not going to do anything you say.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So Nelson was like, ugh, frick you guys, and he
quit his government positions and created his own think tank.
The people in this think tank they came up with
reports on national strategies to make America great again or
like for the first time, or I don't know. And
guess who is in charge of this think tank? None
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other than Henry Kissinger. Yes, Kissinger, Medal of Freedom winner
and noted war criminal. Kissinger and Rockefeller became really good
buddies and they remained friends throughout their lives. And by friends,
I mean Nelson Rockefeller gave Kissinger a lot of money,
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you know, so that Kissinger could just focus on his
craft of murdering civilians, even though he was the vice
president later in his life. Rockefeller is most known as
being the governor of New York State for four terms
starting in nineteen sixty. And when he was the governor,
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you know, he was doing some good stuff, like he
supported civil rights, the Equal Rights Amendment. He wanted to
get more women into the workforce. He wanted to have
a higher employment.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Rate for people of color.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He was improving housing, supported low income housing developments.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
He also supported abortion.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Before Roe v. Wade rip. This is what he said
about abortion. He said, I do not believe it right
for one group to impose its vision of morality on
an entire society.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lit. I like that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He also advocated for more Medicaid coverage and created arts foundations,
developed infrastructure, though some people said he developed so much
infrastructure because he had an edifice complex. Get it edifice
in sead edible. Because yes, he would put his face
or name on things. That being said, you know, he
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did these progressive things. But then he also doubled the
size of the police force and was like, hey, let's
do a lot of stopping and frisking.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
He also loved the death penalty, though he eventually signed
a bill that got rid of capital punishment except in
the cases where people killed police officers. He also passed
some of the country's most severe drug laws, or you'd
get a life sentence merely for possession. Another fun thing
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about him is that Nelson Rockefeller ran for president four times.
Obviously he never won, and then when he was vice
president under Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
When Ford ran against.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Carter, everybody was like, hey, Rockefeller, you're a little bit
too liberal. Also, it's kind of weird that you give
kissingers so much money, So we're going to take you
off the ticket and get a different vice president. But
you know, Carter won anyway. Another fun fact about Rockefeller
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is that he saw a psychic. Yeah. I guess at
one point in his life he was like, hmmm, I
don't like seeking advice from other politicians or other billionaires
and rich business people.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Let me ask this guy the psychic.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Though, maybe him seeing a psychic that illustrates why the
Rocks had so much money.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
They were in cahoots with witches.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So yeah, you know, he had his successful business career,
he had his successful political career. He had a bazillion dollars.
But despite all of this, I guess it just wasn't
enough for him because he had this huge problem that
he never got over, which you know, maybe led to
his death. He couldn't stop himself from cheating all the time. Yeah,
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he loved to cheat on his wives. His first wife
was Mary Todd Hunter Clark. They got married in nineteen thirty.
They had five children together, but early in their marriage
Rockefeller was like, hey, honey, I think we should actually
live separately because I'm going to do a lot of cheating.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They eventually got divorced in nineteen sixty two. His second
wife was Margaret to Murphy, who everyone called Happy. Why Happy, Well,
apparently when she was a kid she was really cheery.
She had a great childhood disposition. So they're like, ah,
we'll just call her what her mood is, happy. If
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people named me after my childhood disposition, my name would
be sad, creepy ass bitch. Happy and Nelson married a
year after his divorce from his first wife, and the
rumor was that Nelson had been cheating on Mary with Happy,
and likewise Happy was cheating on her husband. But then
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the super hot goss was that Happy's youngest daughter from
her previous marriage. People thought the daughter was actually Nelson's. Yeah,
so before they had gotten divorced, they had been fucking
and then her daughter was actually his. People in Rockefeller's
inner circle referred to him as the daughter's stepfather in
air quotes, and so, yeah, Happy, that was her childhood disposition.
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But she married a man who likes to cheat. So
how happy was she really going to be for the
rest of her life when she was married to Nelson.
So once he was married to Happy, you guys aren't
gonna believe this, but he started cheating on her.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Who saw that coming?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not me. Something that we learned throughout history, American and
otherwise is that people have just been cheating all the time,
it seems, and it's just kind of annoying when these
quote unquote great men like Nelson Rockefeller were cheating because
they had so many things going on. They were involved
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in a lot of serious business, Like they should be
too tired to cheat on people. If they were actually
working hard, they shouldn't have the time to be doing
this much cheating. So were they actually ever doing anything?
I don't think so. So during the time that Nelson
Rockefeller was vice president and married to Happy, he met
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a woman named Megan Marshak, and he gave her the
job of assistant Press secretary. And then after he was
kicked out of the vice presidency and went back into
private business, he hired her again to do various jobs.
And Megan Marshak, well, she was twenty five, she was bright.
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She was with Nelson Rockefeller the night he died. Something
the Rockefellers tried to hide.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Did I just write a poem? I'm an artist? What
can I say?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And we'll be back right after these soothing advertisements. Now
you might be thinking to yourself, did Nelson Rockefeller really
fuck to death? Is that a real thing? Well, it's
most likely that he died of a heart attack, perhaps
from bengen, or maybe he was merely a the presence
of his lover and his heart fluttered a bit too hard,
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or maybe he was seventy and just gave out. We
don't know exactly what happened because everybody close to the situation,
including Megan Marshak herself, have never said anything concrete about it.
Megan Marshak, who was at the center of this whole
dying from fucking incident. She herself passed away recently in
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October twenty twenty four at the age of seventy from
kidney failure, and she wrote her own obituary, hashtag girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And it was in that obituary for the.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
First time that she provided details about her relationship with
Nelson Rockefeller. Of course, she did not say that they
were lovers or that she fucked him to death, but
she did end the obituary with a cryptic lyric from
the musical A chorus line. The lyric was wished me
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luck the same to you, but I won't forget. Can't
regret what I did for love. Mysterious, is it not.
Megan Marshak was an up and coming journalist in California
when she met Nelson Rockefeller in nineteen seventy five. At
the time, she was twenty two, Nelson was sixty seven,
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just a cute forty five year age difference. Marshack loved
and hated the craft of journalism, and her obituary, she
wrote this about herself. Marshak always viewed journalism as a
chronic illness, inflamed by the insatiable itch of curiosity. She
warned students about the vicissitudes of the lifestyle, saying, if
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there's anything else in the world you can think of
to do, do it. I preemptively took Marshack's advice. I
worked in breaking news for one summer internship and was like,
I don't want to know what's going on this much.
Back to nineteen seventy five, then President Nelson Rockefeller was
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giving a news conference in Los Angeles. Megan Marshak was there,
and he was getting volleys of questions in English and
in Spanish, which remember he knew from his years working
in Latin America and from stopping communism. Marshack wasn't able
to get a question in so eventually she yelled in
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Spanish signor vice Presidente, and her, being a young lady
speaking in Spanish, got Rockefeller's attention and he said un
memento porpivor and then Marshak was like, no, or a
poor favor, and so Rockefeller was like, oh, she's speaking Spanish.
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See and then Marshak was like, now about New York City, ha,
which everyone thought It's hilarious because she had pivoted from
Spanish to English so quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What a funny moment.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
After the conference, she went up to Rockefeller and was like, hey,
I'm sorry I interrupted you, but he didn't really seem
to mind, because again, remember she was young and a woman,
and he liked to cheat. And so the two of
them walked out of the press conference together. After that,
she ran into him several more times, and then at
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some point she decided to apply to be one of
Rockefeller's aides, or maybe Rockefeller asked her to interview for it.
I see conflicting information on who said what to who,
And when she went in to do her interview, Marshak
was like, how can I make an impression? This would
be a great job to have, and she knew that
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Nelson Rockefeller's favorite cookie was oreos. What she did is
she got some oreos and then she individually wrapped each one. Wow,
how quaint, how charming. She went into her interview and
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the scheme worked. Rockefeller gave her the job, and they
worked so closely together that he gave her an office
that had an adjoining door to his. After the vice presidency,
and when Rockefeller went back into private business, he brought
Marshak with him. He gave her other jobs like being
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in charge of his art collection, and also, as she
described in her oh bit, she was responsible for several
quote international ventures vague, mysterious, and because of these varreous jobs,
she moved from California to New York City to be
with Rockefeller, you know, professionally, of course, or was it
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something more Again, Marshak never admitted to having a romantic
affair with Rockefeller.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But one thing that is for sure is that when
they moved to New York City, Nelson Rockefeller had a
town home on West fifty fourth Street, and Marshack while
she happened to get an apartment a couple blocks away. Wow,
what happens stance? Actually not happenstance at all, because Rockefeller
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helped her find the apartment and loaned her the money
to buy it. The loan was about forty five thousand dollars.
So yeah, it's looking a little suspicious. So let's get
to the eye of the death. What we know for
sure is that on January twenty sixth, nineteen seventy nine,
Nelson Rockefeller had a heart attack and died. He was seventy.
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He was still hustling, still working, you know, makes sense.
His heart might have given out. He could have been overloaded,
but maybe he was doing a vigorous motion that led
it to explode, because that's what a heart attack is,
your heart exploding. But after he died, the Rockefeller spokesman
Hugh Morrow, told the press that he had died at
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his office at Rockefeller Center, and the only other person
who was there was a security aid. And you'll notice
that here there is no mention of a twenty five
year old colleague who was a young, beautiful woman. Rockefeller
was officially declared dead at twelve twenty am at a
hospital after police and paramedics rushed to the scene. That
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was the alleged story. But some sneaky, sneaky journalist over
at the New York Times got their hands on a
nine to one one call that came in at eleven
sixteen pm. This wasn't from a security personnel, Oh no,
it was from a woman asking for an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
She said, it's death, it's immediate, please.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And this woman gave the address not of the Rockefeller Center,
but of a townhouse on West fifty fourth Street.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And we know that's the address of Nelson's personal home.
And you might be thinking to yourself, well, we've been
talking about Megan Marshak. This caller must have been her.
But you would be wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The caller was a woman named Ponkeita Pierce, a thirty
five year old television personality who lived nearby.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Why would this lady.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Be calling nine to one one. Well, Pierce lived right
next door to Marshak, they were neighbors, they were friends,
and it appeared that Marshak had called Pierce around ten
forty five pm from the townhouse because Marshak and only Marshak,
was there trying to resuscitate Nelson Rockefeller who had collapsed,
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and so Pierce rushed over, called nine one one and
also got the Rockefeller spokesperson, Humorrow on the scene asap.
He was there before the paramedics and police arrived. When
the emergency services got there, they tried to revive him,
but it was likely that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He was already dead.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Some reports came out that Rockefeller was wearing a suit
at the time of his death. Other people said he
was just wearing socks and underwear. Some people were like,
that's very suspicious, but other people were like, it's not
that sus because they were doing CPR on him, so
maybe they had to disrobe him.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But then it got even juicier.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
In fact, some mysterious Rockefeller sources said that Nelson had
had the heart attack even earlier than ten forty five,
He had had it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
At ten point fifteen. Ah, what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Did Marshak wind a long time to call nine to
one one? And why was she the only person who
was with him? These were some of the questions the
press were asking. With all these details floating around, The spokesperson, Hughmorrow,
finally admitted publicly that yes, Marshak had been there, but
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instead of saying she was twenty five, he said she
was thirty one. Maybe to him that six years difference
made it less weird. In the story that Marrow gay
was that you know, she's helping him with this art
book project. They were working at his home office, because yeah,
working on an art book at ten fifteen makes sense,
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And that did not say sheiate the press they were
going wild. Why was Rockefeller with this young woman so
late at night? If he had had the heart attack earlier,
why didn't that nine to one one call get made
until eleven fifteen? So what happened in that interval is
something being covered up? Also, if Marshak was there, if
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she had called nine to one one sooner, could she
have saved Nelson's life? Is she to blame for his death?
The press tried talking to Pierce. She refused to talk
until eventually she was like, I'm not denying anything, which
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is basically no comment but a longer sentence. The press
talked to the doctor who had declared Nelson dead, and
the doctor was like, Hey, I can't tell exactly what
time he died, but I don't think it was before
eleven fifteen, being like, Marshak isn't guilty of anything, you guys,
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calm down. Still, everyone in New York was having a
field day. They're just like, Wow, a bazillionaire died while
maybe being partially un clothed with a twenty five year
old employee who he seemed to have a very close
working relationship with.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
People didn't know what to make of Marshack. Newspapers labeled
her as the woman who was there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It was the talk of the town.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The story was so widespread that on late night shows
people could just say Marshack and that elicited laughter. Haha,
he he Isn't it funny to witness someone's death? Because yes,
loads of people were gossiping, being like hmm, methinks they
were having an intimate moment and during the course of
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that his old rich heart gave out, and it was
the coitus that gave him that heart attack. Nelson Rockefeller's
funeral was attended by twenty two hundred people, including his
old best friend Kissinger. Marshack was mentioned in his will
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forgiving her that forty five thousand dollars loan. Still, Marshak
wouldn't talk despite constant requests for comment. Many people think
the Rockefeller family asked her to sign an NDA. The
family did release a public statement. They were like, we
don't blame Marshak. Everyone did the best they could, so
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don't blame her for his death. And as the years
went by, Marshak still didn't say anything, even after a
CBS colleague offered her one million dollars to write a
book about it. Along with getting all of this unwanted attention,
another problem with Nelson Rockefeller dying was that Marshak was
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out of a job, so she went back into journalism.
According to her obituary, she worked with CBS until nineteen
ninety eight. Then she left New York and went back
to California. There she met and married another journalist and
continued working in news and teaching, never saying a word
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about her affair with Nelson Rockefeller. But other people weren't
so guarded with what happened. A Rockefeller aide was interviewed
a few decades later, and in a PBS interview, he
said it became known that he had been alone with
a young woman who worked for him in undeniably intimate circumstances,
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and in the course of that evening had died from
a heart attack undeniably intimate circumstances. M Marshak died of
kidney failure in twenty twenty four, and before her death,
while she was sick, that same CBS colleague approached her
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again and was like, Hey, I can record your story
for you and I'll release it after your death. Fels
a little exploitative in grim and even then Marshak was like, no,
I'm not going to say anything. The only confirmation of
any relationship with him that she ever gave was that
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cryptic lyric from a chorus line, I won't forget. I
can't regret what I did for love. Hmm, don't you
love that? A twenty five year old love and a
seventy year old man.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
We love to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And before I end the show, I just want to
say to reassure some people. I can already feel the
stress that this story is causing my many American Filth
listeners who have wieners. Okay, I know people are stressed
out that a man died maybe during coitus. That's a
very stressful idea, and maybe you're gonna develop a complex.
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You know, you might be thinking, am I gonna die
while having sex? Well, to reassure you, one doctor online
that I saw said that it is extremely rare to
die during sex, but fellas it's important to stay in shape.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
The effort of one sex.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Is the same as walking up two flights of stairs,
three or four if you're nasty. So if you struggle
with that with stairs, it's time to get back to
the gym. I want you guys to stay safe in
these streets, and that's using protection, and that's also being
in shape so you don't die during sex. And just
you know, American Filth the podcast pairs really well with
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the StairMaster or with a zoomba class. Many reviewers have
said American Filth is one of the best podcasts to
dance to and so I don't even know if I
need to tell you what the lesson is. I think
we all get it. But you know, every week we
do learn a lesson from American Filth. And I think
what we learned here is that you know, on this
Valentine's Day, Valentine's Week, make love with caution. Okay, monitor
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your heart rate the whole time. Take your pulse, see
how you're doing. Check in with your breathing. Sure it
will ruin the mood, but at least you won't be dead.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Quee the credits.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
American Filth is a production of School of Humans and
iHeart Podcast. This episode was written, hosted, and produced by
me Gabby Watts. Our theme song is by Jesse Niswanger.
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your enemies, to your indifferent acquaintances. I hope you have
a great Valentine's Day and also living in oligarchy and
tyranny under billionaires.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Talk to you, guys, ex time, School of Humans
School of Humans. How's everyone doing in Trump's America? Here
we are?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Or really, should we say Elon Musk's America? Make America?
Elon Musk again, I love that he could have access
to my Social Security number. Maybe he'll steal my identity,
and if he steals it, maybe I'll have better credit.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
But Elon, you know, he's not the first billionaire who's
been involved in our government. Oh no, billionaires since they've existed,
they try to be up in the guts of the government.
You know, they want their own regulations, they want to
be able to make more money.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They're like, government, go away, let me do this, etc.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And that goes all the way back to you know,
when we first had bazillionaires, you know, with the Carnegie
and the Rockefellers. These families have been in the private sector,
they've been in the public sector, they're in the government.
They're everywhere, just putting their grubby little hands in our business.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And Elon Musk, you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Know, he's not the first billionaire to be appointed by
the president to do a special task.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
These old families, these old billionaire families, they are also
doing that, including this one specific guy, Nelson Rockefeller. Have
you guys heard of him? In the chain of command.
He was actually the grandson of John D. Rockefeller, who
was the first one who made all the money. And
Nelson he got to the office of the Vice president
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under Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was very brief, but he was there. People looked
up to him.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
They're like, wow, he's a billionaire, he must know what's up. Also,
he's wearing really thick glasses, so you know, he's a
smarty pants. And Nelson Rockefeller, Yeah, he had a pretty
robust life and government. He did a lot, a lot
of stuff. He was the governor of New York for
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a long time. He tried his best to fight communism,
you know, a huge threat.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He did a lot of stuff, you.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Know, because he's a billionaire and he can just have
access to whatever he wants. But with that context, it
makes it all the more fun that Nelson Rockefeller made
it onto this one Wikipedia page that I love that
is entitled death during consensual sex.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Ah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
A lot of people think Nelson Rockefeller met his end
while he was banging. Actually, the New York magazine said
it much better than I just did. In nineteen seventy nine,
when all this was going down, They wrote, Nelson thought
he was coming, but he.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Was going.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
With that. Cue the theme song. This is American filth
and I'm Gabby Watts.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I tell you a.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Filthy story from American history. This week's episode, death by
Sex a Rockefeller story. By the way, one of my
friends recently told me that she thinks the theme song
sounds like the Veggie Tails theme song, So.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Let me know if you agree.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So, yeah, I was just complaining about billionaires. But it's
also the week of Valentine's Day. It's a week of love.
It's a week of appreciating your significant other. So today's
episode it's just not about me shitting on billionaires and
how they've been infiltrating our government for more than a century.
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This episode is also a little bit about love, because
sometimes you love so hard that you just die from it.
So how the heck did Nelson Rockefeller get on the
page death by Consensual Sex? While the trouble began when
he started having an affair with a much younger woman.
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She was almost a half century younger than him, which
that was a silly goose move of him. You know,
you can't keep up with a twenty five year old
without hurting yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What a silly man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
As a billionaire, Nelson Rockefeller went on to have a.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Very successful career.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But if he had just been an average American kid,
he would have been considered a bit of a dumb
dumb Okay, he didn't get good grades.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He didn't even get into Princeton, which is where all
the Rockefellers had been going. How embarrassing for him.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Anyone can get into Princeton I did, What a dumbass.
Instead he had to go to Dartmouth, heaven forbid. But
despite being really bad at reading, which people now think
is probably because he had dyslexia, he was relentless and
pursuing success. And by relentless, I mean he came from
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immense wealth, could do anything he wanted, all while someone
else fluffed his pillows at night.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like Elon musty crotch.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Nelson Rockefeller's political career started with an appointment from the
president because after college, Nelson he went into the Rockefeller business,
and a lot of his business took him to Latin America,
And in nineteen forty he approached FDR and was like,
mister President, I've been in Latin America a lot, and
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I got some news for you. There is a lot
of communism happening, and you should appoint me to your
government to fix that, because I am well situated and
I know Spanish, and as you all know, communism is
the greatest evil that has ever existed. Actually, perhaps it's
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the second greatest evil. The first most evil thing is
people who listen to videos on full blast in public
on their phones. That's the first evil, and then it's communism.
But anyway, Nelson Rockefeller said this to FDR, and FDR
was like, wow, mister billionaire man, you are correct. We
must stop communism.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's so bad.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Even though all of my public works programs during the
Great Depression resemble socialism. Let's just forget about that communism.
Evil public works projects.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So Nelson Rockefeller got to work and through that special
position to the president, he became one of the guys
for foreign affairs, and then during the Cold War, kind
of like Elon Musk's now, a lot of politicians thought
he had too much power, that he was overreaching, talking
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too much shit, saying too much to.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Then President Eisenhower.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Under Eisenhower, Nelson had been appointed as an advisor not
just to foreign affairs, but also as an expert on
psychological warfare. Yes, fellas, being good at manipulating people can
lead you to a job. Gaslighting your girlfriend is actually
considered professional development. During his time as an advisor, Nelson
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Rockefeller tried to create a group within the government that
would tell the CIA what to do, specifically when it
came to communism. But then the head of the CIA,
Alan Dulles, was like, fuck that, leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I'm not going to do anything you say.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So Nelson was like, ugh, frick you guys, and he
quit his government positions and created his own think tank.
The people in this think tank they came up with
reports on national strategies to make America great again or
like for the first time, or I don't know. And
guess who is in charge of this think tank? None
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other than Henry Kissinger. Yes, Kissinger, Medal of Freedom winner
and noted war criminal. Kissinger and Rockefeller became really good
buddies and they remained friends throughout their lives. And by friends,
I mean Nelson Rockefeller gave Kissinger a lot of money,
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you know, so that Kissinger could just focus on his
craft of murdering civilians, even though he was the vice
president later in his life. Rockefeller is most known as
being the governor of New York State for four terms
starting in nineteen sixty. And when he was the governor,
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you know, he was doing some good stuff, like he
supported civil rights, the Equal Rights Amendment. He wanted to
get more women into the workforce. He wanted to have
a higher employment.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Rate for people of color.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He was improving housing, supported low income housing developments.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
He also supported abortion.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Before Roe v. Wade rip. This is what he said
about abortion. He said, I do not believe it right
for one group to impose its vision of morality on
an entire society.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Lit. I like that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He also advocated for more Medicaid coverage and created arts foundations,
developed infrastructure, though some people said he developed so much
infrastructure because he had an edifice complex. Get it edifice
in sead edible. Because yes, he would put his face
or name on things. That being said, you know, he
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did these progressive things. But then he also doubled the
size of the police force and was like, hey, let's
do a lot of stopping and frisking.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
He also loved the death penalty, though he eventually signed
a bill that got rid of capital punishment except in
the cases where people killed police officers. He also passed
some of the country's most severe drug laws, or you'd
get a life sentence merely for possession. Another fun thing
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about him is that Nelson Rockefeller ran for president four times.
Obviously he never won, and then when he was vice
president under Gerald Ford.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
When Ford ran against.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Carter, everybody was like, hey, Rockefeller, you're a little bit
too liberal. Also, it's kind of weird that you give
kissingers so much money, So we're going to take you
off the ticket and get a different vice president. But
you know, Carter won anyway. Another fun fact about Rockefeller
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is that he saw a psychic. Yeah. I guess at
one point in his life he was like, hmmm, I
don't like seeking advice from other politicians or other billionaires
and rich business people.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Let me ask this guy the psychic.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Though, maybe him seeing a psychic that illustrates why the
Rocks had so much money.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
They were in cahoots with witches.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So yeah, you know, he had his successful business career,
he had his successful political career. He had a bazillion dollars.
But despite all of this, I guess it just wasn't
enough for him because he had this huge problem that
he never got over, which you know, maybe led to
his death. He couldn't stop himself from cheating all the time. Yeah,
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he loved to cheat on his wives. His first wife
was Mary Todd Hunter Clark. They got married in nineteen thirty.
They had five children together, but early in their marriage
Rockefeller was like, hey, honey, I think we should actually
live separately because I'm going to do a lot of cheating.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
They eventually got divorced in nineteen sixty two. His second
wife was Margaret to Murphy, who everyone called Happy. Why Happy, Well,
apparently when she was a kid she was really cheery.
She had a great childhood disposition. So they're like, ah,
we'll just call her what her mood is, happy. If
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people named me after my childhood disposition, my name would
be sad, creepy ass bitch. Happy and Nelson married a
year after his divorce from his first wife, and the
rumor was that Nelson had been cheating on Mary with Happy,
and likewise Happy was cheating on her husband. But then
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the super hot goss was that Happy's youngest daughter from
her previous marriage. People thought the daughter was actually Nelson's. Yeah,
so before they had gotten divorced, they had been fucking
and then her daughter was actually his. People in Rockefeller's
inner circle referred to him as the daughter's stepfather in
air quotes, and so, yeah, Happy, that was her childhood disposition.
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But she married a man who likes to cheat. So
how happy was she really going to be for the
rest of her life when she was married to Nelson.
So once he was married to Happy, you guys aren't
gonna believe this, but he started cheating on her.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Who saw that coming?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not me. Something that we learned throughout history, American and
otherwise is that people have just been cheating all the time,
it seems, and it's just kind of annoying when these
quote unquote great men like Nelson Rockefeller were cheating because
they had so many things going on. They were involved
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in a lot of serious business, Like they should be
too tired to cheat on people. If they were actually
working hard, they shouldn't have the time to be doing
this much cheating. So were they actually ever doing anything?
I don't think so. So during the time that Nelson
Rockefeller was vice president and married to Happy, he met
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a woman named Megan Marshak, and he gave her the
job of assistant Press secretary. And then after he was
kicked out of the vice presidency and went back into
private business, he hired her again to do various jobs.
And Megan Marshak, well, she was twenty five, she was bright.
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She was with Nelson Rockefeller the night he died. Something
the Rockefellers tried to hide.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Did I just write a poem? I'm an artist? What
can I say?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And we'll be back right after these soothing advertisements. Now
you might be thinking to yourself, did Nelson Rockefeller really
fuck to death? Is that a real thing? Well, it's
most likely that he died of a heart attack, perhaps
from bengen, or maybe he was merely a the presence
of his lover and his heart fluttered a bit too hard,
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or maybe he was seventy and just gave out. We
don't know exactly what happened because everybody close to the situation,
including Megan Marshak herself, have never said anything concrete about it.
Megan Marshak, who was at the center of this whole
dying from fucking incident. She herself passed away recently in
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October twenty twenty four at the age of seventy from
kidney failure, and she wrote her own obituary, hashtag girl Boss.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And it was in that obituary for the.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
First time that she provided details about her relationship with
Nelson Rockefeller. Of course, she did not say that they
were lovers or that she fucked him to death, but
she did end the obituary with a cryptic lyric from
the musical A chorus line. The lyric was wished me
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luck the same to you, but I won't forget. Can't
regret what I did for love. Mysterious, is it not.
Megan Marshak was an up and coming journalist in California
when she met Nelson Rockefeller in nineteen seventy five. At
the time, she was twenty two, Nelson was sixty seven,
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just a cute forty five year age difference. Marshack loved
and hated the craft of journalism, and her obituary, she
wrote this about herself. Marshak always viewed journalism as a
chronic illness, inflamed by the insatiable itch of curiosity. She
warned students about the vicissitudes of the lifestyle, saying, if
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there's anything else in the world you can think of
to do, do it. I preemptively took Marshack's advice. I
worked in breaking news for one summer internship and was like,
I don't want to know what's going on this much.
Back to nineteen seventy five, then President Nelson Rockefeller was
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giving a news conference in Los Angeles. Megan Marshak was there,
and he was getting volleys of questions in English and
in Spanish, which remember he knew from his years working
in Latin America and from stopping communism. Marshack wasn't able
to get a question in so eventually she yelled in
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Spanish signor vice Presidente, and her, being a young lady
speaking in Spanish, got Rockefeller's attention and he said un
memento porpivor and then Marshak was like, no, or a
poor favor, and so Rockefeller was like, oh, she's speaking Spanish.
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See and then Marshak was like, now about New York City, ha,
which everyone thought It's hilarious because she had pivoted from
Spanish to English so quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What a funny moment.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
After the conference, she went up to Rockefeller and was like, hey,
I'm sorry I interrupted you, but he didn't really seem
to mind, because again, remember she was young and a woman,
and he liked to cheat. And so the two of
them walked out of the press conference together. After that,
she ran into him several more times, and then at
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some point she decided to apply to be one of
Rockefeller's aides, or maybe Rockefeller asked her to interview for it.
I see conflicting information on who said what to who,
And when she went in to do her interview, Marshak
was like, how can I make an impression? This would
be a great job to have, and she knew that
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Nelson Rockefeller's favorite cookie was oreos. What she did is
she got some oreos and then she individually wrapped each one. Wow,
how quaint, how charming. She went into her interview and
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the scheme worked. Rockefeller gave her the job, and they
worked so closely together that he gave her an office
that had an adjoining door to his. After the vice presidency,
and when Rockefeller went back into private business, he brought
Marshak with him. He gave her other jobs like being
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in charge of his art collection, and also, as she
described in her oh bit, she was responsible for several
quote international ventures vague, mysterious, and because of these varreous jobs,
she moved from California to New York City to be
with Rockefeller, you know, professionally, of course, or was it
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something more Again, Marshak never admitted to having a romantic
affair with Rockefeller.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But one thing that is for sure is that when
they moved to New York City, Nelson Rockefeller had a
town home on West fifty fourth Street, and Marshack while
she happened to get an apartment a couple blocks away. Wow,
what happens stance? Actually not happenstance at all, because Rockefeller
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helped her find the apartment and loaned her the money
to buy it. The loan was about forty five thousand dollars.
So yeah, it's looking a little suspicious. So let's get
to the eye of the death. What we know for
sure is that on January twenty sixth, nineteen seventy nine,
Nelson Rockefeller had a heart attack and died. He was seventy.
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He was still hustling, still working, you know, makes sense.
His heart might have given out. He could have been overloaded,
but maybe he was doing a vigorous motion that led
it to explode, because that's what a heart attack is,
your heart exploding. But after he died, the Rockefeller spokesman
Hugh Morrow, told the press that he had died at
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his office at Rockefeller Center, and the only other person
who was there was a security aid. And you'll notice
that here there is no mention of a twenty five
year old colleague who was a young, beautiful woman. Rockefeller
was officially declared dead at twelve twenty am at a
hospital after police and paramedics rushed to the scene. That
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was the alleged story. But some sneaky, sneaky journalist over
at the New York Times got their hands on a
nine to one one call that came in at eleven
sixteen pm. This wasn't from a security personnel, Oh no,
it was from a woman asking for an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
She said, it's death, it's immediate, please.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And this woman gave the address not of the Rockefeller Center,
but of a townhouse on West fifty fourth Street.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And we know that's the address of Nelson's personal home.
And you might be thinking to yourself, well, we've been
talking about Megan Marshak. This caller must have been her.
But you would be wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The caller was a woman named Ponkeita Pierce, a thirty
five year old television personality who lived nearby.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Why would this lady.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Be calling nine to one one. Well, Pierce lived right
next door to Marshak, they were neighbors, they were friends,
and it appeared that Marshak had called Pierce around ten
forty five pm from the townhouse because Marshak and only Marshak,
was there trying to resuscitate Nelson Rockefeller who had collapsed,
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and so Pierce rushed over, called nine one one and
also got the Rockefeller spokesperson, Humorrow on the scene asap.
He was there before the paramedics and police arrived. When
the emergency services got there, they tried to revive him,
but it was likely that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He was already dead.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Some reports came out that Rockefeller was wearing a suit
at the time of his death. Other people said he
was just wearing socks and underwear. Some people were like,
that's very suspicious, but other people were like, it's not
that sus because they were doing CPR on him, so
maybe they had to disrobe him.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But then it got even juicier.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
In fact, some mysterious Rockefeller sources said that Nelson had
had the heart attack even earlier than ten forty five,
He had had it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
At ten point fifteen. Ah, what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Did Marshak wind a long time to call nine to
one one? And why was she the only person who
was with him? These were some of the questions the
press were asking. With all these details floating around, The spokesperson, Hughmorrow,
finally admitted publicly that yes, Marshak had been there, but
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instead of saying she was twenty five, he said she
was thirty one. Maybe to him that six years difference
made it less weird. In the story that Marrow gay
was that you know, she's helping him with this art
book project. They were working at his home office, because yeah,
working on an art book at ten fifteen makes sense,
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And that did not say sheiate the press they were
going wild. Why was Rockefeller with this young woman so
late at night? If he had had the heart attack earlier,
why didn't that nine to one one call get made
until eleven fifteen? So what happened in that interval is
something being covered up? Also, if Marshak was there, if
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she had called nine to one one sooner, could she
have saved Nelson's life? Is she to blame for his death?
The press tried talking to Pierce. She refused to talk
until eventually she was like, I'm not denying anything, which
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is basically no comment but a longer sentence. The press
talked to the doctor who had declared Nelson dead, and
the doctor was like, Hey, I can't tell exactly what
time he died, but I don't think it was before
eleven fifteen, being like, Marshak isn't guilty of anything, you guys,
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calm down. Still, everyone in New York was having a
field day. They're just like, Wow, a bazillionaire died while
maybe being partially un clothed with a twenty five year
old employee who he seemed to have a very close
working relationship with.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
People didn't know what to make of Marshack. Newspapers labeled
her as the woman who was there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It was the talk of the town.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The story was so widespread that on late night shows
people could just say Marshack and that elicited laughter. Haha,
he he Isn't it funny to witness someone's death? Because yes,
loads of people were gossiping, being like hmm, methinks they
were having an intimate moment and during the course of
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that his old rich heart gave out, and it was
the coitus that gave him that heart attack. Nelson Rockefeller's
funeral was attended by twenty two hundred people, including his
old best friend Kissinger. Marshack was mentioned in his will
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forgiving her that forty five thousand dollars loan. Still, Marshak
wouldn't talk despite constant requests for comment. Many people think
the Rockefeller family asked her to sign an NDA. The
family did release a public statement. They were like, we
don't blame Marshak. Everyone did the best they could, so
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don't blame her for his death. And as the years
went by, Marshak still didn't say anything, even after a
CBS colleague offered her one million dollars to write a
book about it. Along with getting all of this unwanted attention,
another problem with Nelson Rockefeller dying was that Marshak was
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out of a job, so she went back into journalism.
According to her obituary, she worked with CBS until nineteen
ninety eight. Then she left New York and went back
to California. There she met and married another journalist and
continued working in news and teaching, never saying a word
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about her affair with Nelson Rockefeller. But other people weren't
so guarded with what happened. A Rockefeller aide was interviewed
a few decades later, and in a PBS interview, he
said it became known that he had been alone with
a young woman who worked for him in undeniably intimate circumstances,
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and in the course of that evening had died from
a heart attack undeniably intimate circumstances. M Marshak died of
kidney failure in twenty twenty four, and before her death,
while she was sick, that same CBS colleague approached her
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again and was like, Hey, I can record your story
for you and I'll release it after your death. Fels
a little exploitative in grim and even then Marshak was like, no,
I'm not going to say anything. The only confirmation of
any relationship with him that she ever gave was that
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cryptic lyric from a chorus line, I won't forget. I
can't regret what I did for love. Hmm, don't you
love that? A twenty five year old love and a
seventy year old man.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
We love to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And before I end the show, I just want to
say to reassure some people. I can already feel the
stress that this story is causing my many American Filth
listeners who have wieners. Okay, I know people are stressed
out that a man died maybe during coitus. That's a
very stressful idea, and maybe you're gonna develop a complex.
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You know, you might be thinking, am I gonna die
while having sex? Well, to reassure you, one doctor online
that I saw said that it is extremely rare to
die during sex, but fellas it's important to stay in shape.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
The effort of one sex.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Is the same as walking up two flights of stairs,
three or four if you're nasty. So if you struggle
with that with stairs, it's time to get back to
the gym. I want you guys to stay safe in
these streets, and that's using protection, and that's also being
in shape so you don't die during sex. And just
you know, American Filth the podcast pairs really well with
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the StairMaster or with a zoomba class. Many reviewers have
said American Filth is one of the best podcasts to
dance to and so I don't even know if I
need to tell you what the lesson is. I think
we all get it. But you know, every week we
do learn a lesson from American Filth. And I think
what we learned here is that you know, on this
Valentine's Day, Valentine's Week, make love with caution. Okay, monitor
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your heart rate the whole time. Take your pulse, see
how you're doing. Check in with your breathing. Sure it
will ruin the mood, but at least you won't be dead.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Quee the credits.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
American Filth is a production of School of Humans and
iHeart Podcast. This episode was written, hosted, and produced by
me Gabby Watts. Our theme song is by Jesse Niswanger.
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your enemies, to your indifferent acquaintances. I hope you have
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