September 4, 2025 • 26 mins
In a remarkable show of courage and solidarity, one by one, nearly a dozen Jeffrey Epstein victims stood in front of the U.S. Capitol and told their stories, demanding justice and transparency from Congress and President Trump. In a bombshell moment, one survivor, Lisa Phillips, announced they know the names of their abusers and they will be confidentially compiling that list of names. Will that list be made public?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, folks, it is Thursday, September the fourth, and Jeffrey
Epstein's victims concede he did not have a list. So
they have announced they are going to put their own
list of Epstein clients together. However they might not ever
(00:23):
let us see it. And with that, everybody, welcome to
Amy and TJ presents the Epstein Victims Robes. This was
an extraordinary showing outside the Capitol yesterday. Some of these
Epstein victims. We had over ten, some of them we
never heard from before, and a bombshell of sorts that
kind of got lessened a bit. But that's no doubt
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a headline. They're saying they're gonna put together their own list.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, and they say that there are hundreds, if not
thousands of Epstein victims, and yeah, they're going to try
and together collectively come up with a list. And it
wasn't as if they had to come up with it.
They said very unequivocally that we know who's involved, we
know who the perpetrators are, we know who abused some
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of us, but you're not ever possibly going to hear
the names because we're afraid to tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So they got a lot of questions at the press
conference which was organized by a couple of members of Congress,
a Democrat and a Republican who are now putting together
legislation and trying to get a vote forced in Congress
about the Epstein files to release all Epstein files. Robes
LUs stop there. I'm not sure what we're talking about
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anymore when we're talking about the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm not sure either, TJ.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Because yes, we heard directly from Congressman Rocanna, who actually
made the statement that less than one percent of the
Jeffrey Epstein files have been released. What that, to me
was an incredibly confusing statement. I'm not saying it isn't true,
but that's the first I've heard that number less than
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one percent of the Jeffrey Epstein files have been released.
And yes, he said, they have all two hundred and
twelve Democrats, and right now they have four Republicans who
would force this vote. They need two more Republicans.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Which Speaker Johnson said they will not get, so he
doesn't believe that the vote is going to come up. Fine,
But rote to your point, Congressman kNN of California, Democrat,
why what does that? I don't have context for that. Statement.
It could be accurate to a degree, but frankly, a
lot of what are we seen lately is a lot
of politicians play with these numbers and play with the
and play these word games. It might be technically true,
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but not really true. I don't know what that means.
I have not heard that somewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Could it involve all the redactions? And look, obviously we
know there are other documents that those who have seen
them claim. All they will do is put out names
of innocent people. So just because someone had a business
dealing with, or knew or was friendly with Jeffrey Epstein,
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or there was some sort of transaction financially, those all
could have been very legal and on.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
The up sort of relationships.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
They don't mean that any of those people did anything wrong,
or anything illegal, or anything immoral.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So by releasing names.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Of people who he worked alongside and perhaps traveled with
and just consorted with, they'll do more harm than good
putting these names out. That's the only thing that I
know that has been deliberately withheld.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, so let's talk about how we got here. Yes,
so they planned this press conference the congressman of the
attorney for the women and really at least ten of
them that were up there, and they all spoke. This
conference went on for a couple of hours actually outside
at the Capitol. Now several of them got up and
they did they I think these women are to be
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believed right of what they experienced. Many of them absolutely
have stories that I believe, generally speaking, the veracity of
them has been accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And look, Brad Edwards is their attorney and absolutely interviewed him,
worked with him. He has been working officially with Epstein
victims for more than a decade. And most of these
victims at the time were all Jane Doe one, Jamee
Doe two, Jaane do three. They weren't putting their names
to their stories. So it was a very big deal
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that there he was standing with a lot of these
women who he has been representing, I don't want to
say clandestinely, but certainly anonymously for more than a decade,
actually stood out in front of reporters, in front of cameras,
in front of the Capitol and told their story.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So Lisa Phillips is one robes that got a lot
of attention. She is not one necessarily. It's been in
the shadows, because she even has a podcast where she
talks about people being groomed and what happened to her
and Epstein victims. So she has been talking about there
and been out there. But she told her story. She
said she had been abused. She talked about trying to
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get away from Epstein, going to his island and having
to be in the same circles with him and whatnot.
But she I guess robe. She she only spoke for
a couple of minutes, a short time, but in her
prepared remarks she was the one that dropped a bombshell
essentially that had newsrooms and certainly the reporters on the
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scene buzzin'.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She did.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She actually ended her statement by saying, I would like
to announce here today, so now everybody's listening, all ears
are perked up. She went on to say, us Epstein
survivors have been discussing creating our own list. We know
the names many of us were abused by them. Now
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together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we
all know who regularly were in the Epstein world. And
it will be done for survivors and buy survivors. No
one else is involved, Stay tuned for more details.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That was interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, let's just stop right there. There is more
we're going to get into folks about her because she
came up and followed up and that caused a little
more what confusion and certainly dissatisfaction among some of the
press corps. But take her at that statement. What was
your reaction to first hearing that?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, so I was a little confused, because, look, I
understand that there is a fear of retribution in some way,
but at this point, if they weren't heard, listened to,
or believed, and they weren't for more than a decade,
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if you were ever going to say who is responsible
and actually want justice, why wouldn't you say their names now?
If there ever was a protection before, there would certainly
be now because the world has been waiting and listening
and really, I mean, I hate to you use this word,
but hungry for.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Names.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
This has been floated for so long. So if they
are saying they know the rich and powerful people who
exploited them and who abused them, why wouldn't they, in
the name of justice give those names to the press
right there with those microphones and the cameras rolling.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Why not say them.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now, well, I get to you this point again. At
this point in the press conference when she makes this announcement,
she says, this is going to be an ongoing process
of compiling the name. She didn't say necessarily they had
them or complete lists that they're going to all agree
to at some point, but just the idea that there's
not a list, but one is going to be created.
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They are going to create, they are going to compile
in secret, just them, nobody else involved. That guess they're
trying to tell us that no politics is involved in that.
This is just us, for us, by us. I thought
when I've heard that, initially my eyes got big, well wow,
and then I got concerned because now we got another
list floating around that people are going there's going to
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be more conspiracy theorists about and more conjecture about who's
on and who do It's just like, oh, this is
going to cause another mess. But that was a bombshell
announcement today that there will be a client list.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That we may or may not ever hear.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, I hadn't gotten to that just yet. There were
several other people who did speak during the press conference today. Again,
several of them got up and told their stories robes.
I didn't recognize. I know some of them talked for
the first time, but I didn't recognize a lot of
these folks and a lot of these names. I guess
Virginia Guphray was the one that most people do know.
Obviously she died by suicide earlier this year. But a
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lot of these and I'm ask you as well, are
these folks besides from the young lady who is has
a podcastn't been out there? I did, I wasn't familiar
with a lot of these names, and a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Folks they aren't household names, but they have been speaking
again as like Jane do Number one, Jane Don't number
two through court documents. Their stories have been told, but
I had not seen names and faces attached to stories
the way we did in.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
This press conference.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And some of these women have spoken out in recent years,
certainly following the death of Jeffrey Epstein, and some of
these women testified in the Galaine Maxwell trial, so their
identities would have been protected during that time.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So yeah, this might be.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The first time a lot of us have seen at
least the faces go along with the stories and the names.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Conte Davies one of them. I believe she did say
she testified, yes, at one of the trials. She youngly
told her story. She says she's been she's been a
survivor of decades of trauma by Maxwell and Epstein. Look,
this was two thousand and two, I think she said
when she first got into that world. So if you
think about that, No, she's not saying the abuse went
on for twenty years. What she's saying is she's been
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dealing with this for decades and it hasn't necessarily gone away.
I was interested Robes to hear her tell the story
of how she got in the world. This was a
young lady who was trying to be an actress. She
was trying to advance her career in La met Glaine Maxwell,
and this is how she put it. She was told
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by a person she trusted that asked her to meet
a powerful woman who could help advance my career. That
woman happened to be Glainne Maxwell. I was asked to
give her a massage, though I had almost no experience,
and when I did, she praised me and promised to
introduce me to someone enormously powerful, someone who had changed
the course of my life. That man was Jeffrey Epstein.
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Is this how it went? It was such a bizarre
to hear her tell the tale. I know they've told
their stories before, but she was a twenty twenty one
to twenty two year old actress. You, a friend says,
meet this lady, I know because she could help you
with your career. And she asked for a masage, and
the young lady complied. That is something I think a
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lot about this story that's hard to figure out. What
was Glaine Maxwell, What were they thinking? And what were
these well young ladies also possibly thinking.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
According to many of these young ladies, and some of
them were wildly underage starting at the age of fourteen fifteen, sixteen,
and their promised money in exchange for a massage, and
in a classic grooming styling, each massage gets a little
bit more sexual to the point where it ends up
being full blown abuse. So I get that now when
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you are this seemed as though it was abuse via
transaction almost and it wasn't exactly like Harvey Weinstein, because
those stories were of forcible He was forcing himself on
actresses who wanted roles in private hotel rooms. This was
a little bit different, but they all did. Every story
that I have heard so far involves these massages that
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turned sexual.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But I do think it's also some of these stories.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Some of these women who stood up today talked about
them wanting something, and Jeffrey Epstein promising something basically a career,
a modeling career, an acting career, and so he took
advantage of young women who had goals and aspirations. I
believe it was Lisa Phillips who said, I thought this
was really interesting. She said, hundreds of ambitious young women
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in New York City were abused by Epstein. The victims
were not just underaged girls in Florida. I don't even
like the idea of pitting those two groups of victims
against one another, but I did think it was interesting.
She used hundreds of ambitious young women in New York City.
So from her story and from the story of Chante,
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it did seem as though they wanted something from him. Connections, opportunities,
doors opened, and in some cases those did happen. At
least Lisa talk about being introduced and being able to
meet the head of the Ford Agency Ford Modeling Agency,
but Chants said very quickly that all of her his
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promises were empty or they all came with a catch,
and that's the abuse that she's referencing. And she said,
he told me to keep it a secret, Dad.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But to hear her say, she meets a woman who
immediately tells her to give her a massage, and the
next thing you know, she says, she meets Epstein. I
was an excited young woman on top of the world.
He flew me to his private island and listened to
my dreams, promised to help. Like you said, promise came
with a catch. That's a to hear if this was
the method, if this was their m it was just
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I didn't when you meet some what it's tough to understand.
You meet a woman for the first time of the
business tranks action helped me with my career. Give me
a massage.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's just odd for yes, And I think a lot
of people and you don't want to judge or victim
shame in any way, but a lot of people are
scratching their heads just thinking, what did you think this
was going to lead to? If that was the entrance
give this woman a massage. And then she said she
complimented her on her massage abilities, even though she said
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she had never been trained. I just feel like, at
least let this be a cautionary tale to any other
young woman out there trying to make it in whatever industry.
Someone says, yeah, meet me, but give me a massage,
that's a really huge red flag.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But that does not obviously you going to make sure
this is not a victim blaming situation. But to hear
how this was the first time I've heard a detail.
She talked about liking massages herself all the time. Right.
She says, she would go recruit, she would go to
her own places to get massages at professional places, and
she'd have a nice one. And then she said, oh,
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Epstein might like this person to think. You meet somebody
for the first time who was an actress, and you
ask her for a massage. What were these people maxwelling?
What was she doing?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They were capitalizing on the hopes and dreams and hunger
of young women who wanted to make it, and they
were taking that and using it for their advantage, and
they didn't care what happened to these young women.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
She also went on, I think everybody's talking about you
want to hear about big names. The only two I
heard were Trump and Bill Clinton. Yes, she made a
reference just to Chantay Davies, is that she was on
a plane and flew to Africa with former President Bill
Clinton and notable figures is all she said. Fine, but
she slid his name in then, didn't I suggest he
did anything wrong. And the other was Donald Trump said
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he bragged about his powerful friends, including Donald Trump said
he kept at eight x ten picture framed of him
on his desk.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, she actually made a point to say it was
his biggest brag actually, so she wanted to make that
exceptionally clear that that's the person that Epstein claimed to
be most proud of being friends with.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So we hear folks say notable figures, we hear Clinton mentioned,
we hear Trump mentioned, we hear Maxwell mentioned, we hear
Epstein mentioned, And that's it. They go on and talk
about this list, and this is going to get a
lot of people's attention, because if they put a list together,
and if they were to dare put it on a
piece of paper or dare to put it on a computer,
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everybody's going to be after that thing. So I don't
know how they're going to go about it, but folks
even though they say they are putting a list together.
They were asked on more than one occasion by these reporters,
when can we see it? Will we see it? The
answer so far is no.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We
are talking about this powerful and jaw dropping press conference
held by several of the Jeffrey Epstein victims. They were
flanked by several US congressmen and women in addition to
their attorney, Brad Edwards, and they stood up one by
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one and told their story, but even more headline grabbing,
and notably, they claimed that they were going to compile
their own list, that they knew the names of these
other powerful associates of Epstein who have so far been
untouched or unnamed, and in the name of justice, they
said they were going to collaborate and confidentially create a
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list of these men, maybe even women. We don't know
that everyone has been clamoring for because how long have
we been hearing about an Epstein client list? Where is
the list? Where's the client list? What does Glene Maxwell know?
What did Jeffrey Epstein take with him in his suicide?
That will never find out? Well, these women claim that
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they no, how.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Powerful is that if they came up today and say, hey,
we have the list and we're gonna put it together.
So when you hear that, the first thing I thought
was my goodness, winner, we're going to see this thing.
And then Lisa Phillips came back up to the podium
after a question was asked at the end about the list,
and this is how she responded to a question about
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the list. We're reaching out to survivors who are scared
to come forward and that also know who they were
trafficked to. And that's the list we're compiling. We're not
quite sure how we're going to release it or even
if we're going to. That was the record scratch moment
you could tell for the reporters, like, WHOA, what do
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you mean You're gonna put it together and keep it secret.
Isn't that exactly what the problem is right now in
the controversy is that the government has the list and
they're keeping a secret. So now we got two secret
lists gonna be quoting.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And then, as reporters often do, they asked a follow
up question and it was the one that was in
all of our heads.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I was like, hell, yeah, that's the question I would
have asked, why won't you say the names?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Why won't you Lisa Phillips said back to that reporter,
why do we have to say the names when the
government knows the names? And then she also referenced the
fact that they were scared to do so. They weren't
listened to before, so why should they believe they would
be listened to now.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I have a really good answer for that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Everyone wants to hear what you have to say now,
And yes, she's right, no one wanted to hear what
they had to say a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That is absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I understand how that might be scary, and there
might be a lot of PTSD surrounding that, threats of lawsuits,
threats of bodily harm. I get that, But there's never
been a better or safer time now if they do
have names of people who have abused women who might
still be abusing women, if there was ever a time
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to do it, it would be now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I also want.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Under why they've got this big press conference together. It's
just interesting to me the reasoning behind announcing that you're
going to create a list, but then saying you might
not release it. Why not either just make a list
and release it or not. I don't understand the purpose
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of saying you have one and that you know the names,
but that you might not release them.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Does it put anybody on notice? Does it put any
pressure on the government.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
To do what?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't know, release their list?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is it they claim there isn't one?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
There is not a list. So they're telling the government,
we don't want to release ours, you release yours, is
what she's saying. Now, we can't make sense. And look,
these are victims of horror. So wherever their heads aren't
what they decide to do. I don't know what threats
they received and what their lives have been. Like, you
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do your thing, but today, as far as moving the
story ahead, as far as getting answers to the public,
this or at least that move robes put us in
now another confusing situation of oh, so there are names,
and they're standing in front of cameras yesterday saying the
people you're looking at up here, we know the list,
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but we're not gonna tell you. That's that's gonna Yeah.
I mean, they could do their thing, but I don't
know what that created now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, it created more questions, It created more interest. It created,
It created headlines, and maybe that's what they wanted to
do and then maybe they'll release whatever they want to
release in time. But they got our attention, and maybe
that was just the whole purpose, not to do a
big information dump, but to actually start to get people's attention,
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and then maybe they will start to reveal the names
or the information want the public to know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know, it's a good point. If they have said
two names, that's all we would have been talking about today, right,
we would have been talking about necessarily them being victimized.
I guess focused on who these names are. But I
don't know, are these people still out there victimizing.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean, if they have stories, personal stories with their
attacker or abuser's name that we haven't heard yet, those
stories would be powerful and.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
They would be told, so, you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
They will have to decide, and I don't know if
this is I mean, they were very unified and they
were cheering each other on and they were supporting one another,
which was beautiful to see. But I'm not sure what
the level of collaboration or agreement is as to what
they should do or how they should do it. So
maybe they just have to they want to stick together,
and I understand that maybe no one woman wants to
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come out on her own and say something, so they
need to all agree on it, on the timing and
the purpose of what it is that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okright, So we're going to wrap now, folks on two
more very important and maybe the most key moment of
the entire press conference in a lot of ways. But
it's further the confusion robes because their attorning was up there.
He made a couple of comments, made a comment that
there is a list, that there's not a list, and
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that we're creating a list. So the first quote from
him I'll share is that him saying that every one
of these women was abused by Jeffrey Epstein, and his
scheme was to personally abuse women when they reached a
certain age. He did farm some of them out to
some of his friends. He used that phrase farm than
them out. He said, not all of his friends, but
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some of his friends he formed these people out to.
And ending with this quote with that said, I'm more
than happy to assist in creating the list behind the
scenes and see what we do with it now. Previously,
he also said talking about Epstein, nobody protected these women
the first time. Is there a list? There is a list,
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That's what he said, but Ropes he completely threw that
out to wind though with another comment.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think the distinction is my best assessment is that
there is a list that the women are compiling, that
the women have. But when the reporter followed up and said,
do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein had a list, he said,
there's not a list.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And he said that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Very clearly, with the women behind him many nodding in agreement.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Correct, because he said though, he was just basically saying
that without the people who I guess would be on
this list, he could not have done this. But the
purpose was for him to personally abuse people. Again, he
talked about some of his friends that he farmed out
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women to, but that wasn't the primary purpose of his scheme.
He's saying, I don't think he wrote down the names
of the people who he farmed out women to. Yes,
there are names of people who he worked with and
who helped him operate in his scheme, But he was
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basically saying it was a personal scheme for Jeffrey Epstein,
not necessarily for the other people on the list, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Incredibly confusing, and he ended with that's just not how
the organization worked. So I look, Rose, I'm glad. I
think a lot of people are glad, And look, I'm
happy they're having a moment. If they feel more comfortable
as a unit to come out and to be public
and to take back their lives their story in some
ways even in the middle of the or even help
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the country in some way heal from all of this
back and forth and to some kind of way find
a lesson or some peace and all this, then that's great.
And we are now standing by and waiting for another
list to be compiled that maybe we will and maybe
we won't see ropes.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yes, we will all have to stay tuned for more details,
as Lisa Phillips told us in the press conference, and
we will certainly do that and bring you any new
developments as they become available.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But for now I may be Robock alongside T. J. Holmes.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Thanks as always for listening.
Hey, folks, it is Thursday, September the fourth, and Jeffrey
Epstein's victims concede he did not have a list. So
they have announced they are going to put their own
list of Epstein clients together. However they might not ever
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let us see it. And with that, everybody, welcome to
Amy and TJ presents the Epstein Victims Robes. This was
an extraordinary showing outside the Capitol yesterday. Some of these
Epstein victims. We had over ten, some of them we
never heard from before, and a bombshell of sorts that
kind of got lessened a bit. But that's no doubt
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a headline. They're saying they're gonna put together their own list.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, and they say that there are hundreds, if not
thousands of Epstein victims, and yeah, they're going to try
and together collectively come up with a list. And it
wasn't as if they had to come up with it.
They said very unequivocally that we know who's involved, we
know who the perpetrators are, we know who abused some
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of us, but you're not ever possibly going to hear
the names because we're afraid to tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So they got a lot of questions at the press
conference which was organized by a couple of members of Congress,
a Democrat and a Republican who are now putting together
legislation and trying to get a vote forced in Congress
about the Epstein files to release all Epstein files. Robes
LUs stop there. I'm not sure what we're talking about
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anymore when we're talking about the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm not sure either, TJ.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Because yes, we heard directly from Congressman Rocanna, who actually
made the statement that less than one percent of the
Jeffrey Epstein files have been released. What that, to me
was an incredibly confusing statement. I'm not saying it isn't true,
but that's the first I've heard that number less than
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one percent of the Jeffrey Epstein files have been released.
And yes, he said, they have all two hundred and
twelve Democrats, and right now they have four Republicans who
would force this vote. They need two more Republicans.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Which Speaker Johnson said they will not get, so he
doesn't believe that the vote is going to come up. Fine,
But rote to your point, Congressman kNN of California, Democrat,
why what does that? I don't have context for that. Statement.
It could be accurate to a degree, but frankly, a
lot of what are we seen lately is a lot
of politicians play with these numbers and play with the
and play these word games. It might be technically true,
(02:47):
but not really true. I don't know what that means.
I have not heard that somewhere.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Could it involve all the redactions? And look, obviously we
know there are other documents that those who have seen
them claim. All they will do is put out names
of innocent people. So just because someone had a business
dealing with, or knew or was friendly with Jeffrey Epstein,
(03:10):
or there was some sort of transaction financially, those all
could have been very legal and on.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
The up sort of relationships.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
They don't mean that any of those people did anything wrong,
or anything illegal, or anything immoral.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So by releasing names.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Of people who he worked alongside and perhaps traveled with
and just consorted with, they'll do more harm than good
putting these names out. That's the only thing that I
know that has been deliberately withheld.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay, so let's talk about how we got here. Yes,
so they planned this press conference the congressman of the
attorney for the women and really at least ten of
them that were up there, and they all spoke. This
conference went on for a couple of hours actually outside
at the Capitol. Now several of them got up and
they did they I think these women are to be
(04:03):
believed right of what they experienced. Many of them absolutely
have stories that I believe, generally speaking, the veracity of
them has been accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And look, Brad Edwards is their attorney and absolutely interviewed him,
worked with him. He has been working officially with Epstein
victims for more than a decade. And most of these
victims at the time were all Jane Doe one, Jamee
Doe two, Jaane do three. They weren't putting their names
to their stories. So it was a very big deal
(04:35):
that there he was standing with a lot of these
women who he has been representing, I don't want to
say clandestinely, but certainly anonymously for more than a decade,
actually stood out in front of reporters, in front of cameras,
in front of the Capitol and told their story.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So Lisa Phillips is one robes that got a lot
of attention. She is not one necessarily. It's been in
the shadows, because she even has a podcast where she
talks about people being groomed and what happened to her
and Epstein victims. So she has been talking about there
and been out there. But she told her story. She
said she had been abused. She talked about trying to
(05:12):
get away from Epstein, going to his island and having
to be in the same circles with him and whatnot.
But she I guess robe. She she only spoke for
a couple of minutes, a short time, but in her
prepared remarks she was the one that dropped a bombshell
essentially that had newsrooms and certainly the reporters on the
(05:33):
scene buzzin'.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
She did.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She actually ended her statement by saying, I would like
to announce here today, so now everybody's listening, all ears
are perked up. She went on to say, us Epstein
survivors have been discussing creating our own list. We know
the names many of us were abused by them. Now
(05:55):
together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we
all know who regularly were in the Epstein world. And
it will be done for survivors and buy survivors. No
one else is involved, Stay tuned for more details.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That was interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, let's just stop right there. There is more
we're going to get into folks about her because she
came up and followed up and that caused a little
more what confusion and certainly dissatisfaction among some of the
press corps. But take her at that statement. What was
your reaction to first hearing that?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, so I was a little confused, because, look, I
understand that there is a fear of retribution in some way,
but at this point, if they weren't heard, listened to,
or believed, and they weren't for more than a decade,
(06:51):
if you were ever going to say who is responsible
and actually want justice, why wouldn't you say their names now?
If there ever was a protection before, there would certainly
be now because the world has been waiting and listening
and really, I mean, I hate to you use this word,
but hungry for.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Names.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
This has been floated for so long. So if they
are saying they know the rich and powerful people who
exploited them and who abused them, why wouldn't they, in
the name of justice give those names to the press
right there with those microphones and the cameras rolling.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Why not say them.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now, well, I get to you this point again. At
this point in the press conference when she makes this announcement,
she says, this is going to be an ongoing process
of compiling the name. She didn't say necessarily they had
them or complete lists that they're going to all agree
to at some point, but just the idea that there's
not a list, but one is going to be created.
(07:52):
They are going to create, they are going to compile
in secret, just them, nobody else involved. That guess they're
trying to tell us that no politics is involved in that.
This is just us, for us, by us. I thought
when I've heard that, initially my eyes got big, well wow,
and then I got concerned because now we got another
list floating around that people are going there's going to
(08:14):
be more conspiracy theorists about and more conjecture about who's
on and who do It's just like, oh, this is
going to cause another mess. But that was a bombshell
announcement today that there will be a client list.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That we may or may not ever hear.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, I hadn't gotten to that just yet. There were
several other people who did speak during the press conference today. Again,
several of them got up and told their stories robes.
I didn't recognize. I know some of them talked for
the first time, but I didn't recognize a lot of
these folks and a lot of these names. I guess
Virginia Guphray was the one that most people do know.
Obviously she died by suicide earlier this year. But a
(08:52):
lot of these and I'm ask you as well, are
these folks besides from the young lady who is has
a podcastn't been out there? I did, I wasn't familiar
with a lot of these names, and a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Folks they aren't household names, but they have been speaking
again as like Jane do Number one, Jane Don't number
two through court documents. Their stories have been told, but
I had not seen names and faces attached to stories
the way we did in.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
This press conference.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And some of these women have spoken out in recent years,
certainly following the death of Jeffrey Epstein, and some of
these women testified in the Galaine Maxwell trial, so their
identities would have been protected during that time.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So yeah, this might be.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The first time a lot of us have seen at
least the faces go along with the stories and the names.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Conte Davies one of them. I believe she did say
she testified, yes, at one of the trials. She youngly
told her story. She says she's been she's been a
survivor of decades of trauma by Maxwell and Epstein. Look,
this was two thousand and two, I think she said
when she first got into that world. So if you
think about that, No, she's not saying the abuse went
on for twenty years. What she's saying is she's been
(09:58):
dealing with this for decades and it hasn't necessarily gone away.
I was interested Robes to hear her tell the story
of how she got in the world. This was a
young lady who was trying to be an actress. She
was trying to advance her career in La met Glaine Maxwell,
and this is how she put it. She was told
(10:21):
by a person she trusted that asked her to meet
a powerful woman who could help advance my career. That
woman happened to be Glainne Maxwell. I was asked to
give her a massage, though I had almost no experience,
and when I did, she praised me and promised to
introduce me to someone enormously powerful, someone who had changed
the course of my life. That man was Jeffrey Epstein.
(10:43):
Is this how it went? It was such a bizarre
to hear her tell the tale. I know they've told
their stories before, but she was a twenty twenty one
to twenty two year old actress. You, a friend says,
meet this lady, I know because she could help you
with your career. And she asked for a masage, and
the young lady complied. That is something I think a
(11:07):
lot about this story that's hard to figure out. What
was Glaine Maxwell, What were they thinking? And what were
these well young ladies also possibly thinking.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
According to many of these young ladies, and some of
them were wildly underage starting at the age of fourteen fifteen, sixteen,
and their promised money in exchange for a massage, and
in a classic grooming styling, each massage gets a little
bit more sexual to the point where it ends up
being full blown abuse. So I get that now when
(11:41):
you are this seemed as though it was abuse via
transaction almost and it wasn't exactly like Harvey Weinstein, because
those stories were of forcible He was forcing himself on
actresses who wanted roles in private hotel rooms. This was
a little bit different, but they all did. Every story
that I have heard so far involves these massages that
(12:02):
turned sexual.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But I do think it's also some of these stories.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Some of these women who stood up today talked about
them wanting something, and Jeffrey Epstein promising something basically a career,
a modeling career, an acting career, and so he took
advantage of young women who had goals and aspirations. I
believe it was Lisa Phillips who said, I thought this
was really interesting. She said, hundreds of ambitious young women
(12:27):
in New York City were abused by Epstein. The victims
were not just underaged girls in Florida. I don't even
like the idea of pitting those two groups of victims
against one another, but I did think it was interesting.
She used hundreds of ambitious young women in New York City.
So from her story and from the story of Chante,
(12:48):
it did seem as though they wanted something from him. Connections, opportunities,
doors opened, and in some cases those did happen. At
least Lisa talk about being introduced and being able to
meet the head of the Ford Agency Ford Modeling Agency,
but Chants said very quickly that all of her his
(13:09):
promises were empty or they all came with a catch,
and that's the abuse that she's referencing. And she said,
he told me to keep it a secret, Dad.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But to hear her say, she meets a woman who
immediately tells her to give her a massage, and the
next thing you know, she says, she meets Epstein. I
was an excited young woman on top of the world.
He flew me to his private island and listened to
my dreams, promised to help. Like you said, promise came
with a catch. That's a to hear if this was
the method, if this was their m it was just
(13:41):
I didn't when you meet some what it's tough to understand.
You meet a woman for the first time of the
business tranks action helped me with my career. Give me
a massage.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's just odd for yes, And I think a lot
of people and you don't want to judge or victim
shame in any way, but a lot of people are
scratching their heads just thinking, what did you think this
was going to lead to? If that was the entrance
give this woman a massage. And then she said she
complimented her on her massage abilities, even though she said
(14:14):
she had never been trained. I just feel like, at
least let this be a cautionary tale to any other
young woman out there trying to make it in whatever industry.
Someone says, yeah, meet me, but give me a massage,
that's a really huge red flag.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But that does not obviously you going to make sure
this is not a victim blaming situation. But to hear
how this was the first time I've heard a detail.
She talked about liking massages herself all the time. Right.
She says, she would go recruit, she would go to
her own places to get massages at professional places, and
she'd have a nice one. And then she said, oh,
(14:49):
Epstein might like this person to think. You meet somebody
for the first time who was an actress, and you
ask her for a massage. What were these people maxwelling?
What was she doing?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They were capitalizing on the hopes and dreams and hunger
of young women who wanted to make it, and they
were taking that and using it for their advantage, and
they didn't care what happened to these young women.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
She also went on, I think everybody's talking about you
want to hear about big names. The only two I
heard were Trump and Bill Clinton. Yes, she made a
reference just to Chantay Davies, is that she was on
a plane and flew to Africa with former President Bill
Clinton and notable figures is all she said. Fine, but
she slid his name in then, didn't I suggest he
did anything wrong. And the other was Donald Trump said
(15:43):
he bragged about his powerful friends, including Donald Trump said
he kept at eight x ten picture framed of him
on his desk.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, she actually made a point to say it was
his biggest brag actually, so she wanted to make that
exceptionally clear that that's the person that Epstein claimed to
be most proud of being friends with.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So we hear folks say notable figures, we hear Clinton mentioned,
we hear Trump mentioned, we hear Maxwell mentioned, we hear
Epstein mentioned, And that's it. They go on and talk
about this list, and this is going to get a
lot of people's attention, because if they put a list together,
and if they were to dare put it on a
piece of paper or dare to put it on a computer,
(16:20):
everybody's going to be after that thing. So I don't
know how they're going to go about it, but folks
even though they say they are putting a list together.
They were asked on more than one occasion by these reporters,
when can we see it? Will we see it? The
answer so far is no.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We
are talking about this powerful and jaw dropping press conference
held by several of the Jeffrey Epstein victims. They were
flanked by several US congressmen and women in addition to
their attorney, Brad Edwards, and they stood up one by
(17:11):
one and told their story, but even more headline grabbing,
and notably, they claimed that they were going to compile
their own list, that they knew the names of these
other powerful associates of Epstein who have so far been
untouched or unnamed, and in the name of justice, they
said they were going to collaborate and confidentially create a
(17:37):
list of these men, maybe even women. We don't know
that everyone has been clamoring for because how long have
we been hearing about an Epstein client list? Where is
the list? Where's the client list? What does Glene Maxwell know?
What did Jeffrey Epstein take with him in his suicide?
That will never find out? Well, these women claim that
(17:59):
they no, how.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Powerful is that if they came up today and say, hey,
we have the list and we're gonna put it together.
So when you hear that, the first thing I thought
was my goodness, winner, we're going to see this thing.
And then Lisa Phillips came back up to the podium
after a question was asked at the end about the list,
and this is how she responded to a question about
(18:24):
the list. We're reaching out to survivors who are scared
to come forward and that also know who they were
trafficked to. And that's the list we're compiling. We're not
quite sure how we're going to release it or even
if we're going to. That was the record scratch moment
you could tell for the reporters, like, WHOA, what do
(18:45):
you mean You're gonna put it together and keep it secret.
Isn't that exactly what the problem is right now in
the controversy is that the government has the list and
they're keeping a secret. So now we got two secret
lists gonna be quoting.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And then, as reporters often do, they asked a follow
up question and it was the one that was in
all of our heads.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I was like, hell, yeah, that's the question I would
have asked, why won't you say the names?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Why won't you Lisa Phillips said back to that reporter,
why do we have to say the names when the
government knows the names? And then she also referenced the
fact that they were scared to do so. They weren't
listened to before, so why should they believe they would
be listened to now.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I have a really good answer for that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Everyone wants to hear what you have to say now,
And yes, she's right, no one wanted to hear what
they had to say a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That is absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I understand how that might be scary, and there
might be a lot of PTSD surrounding that, threats of lawsuits,
threats of bodily harm. I get that, But there's never
been a better or safer time now if they do
have names of people who have abused women who might
still be abusing women, if there was ever a time
(19:57):
to do it, it would be now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I also want.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Under why they've got this big press conference together. It's
just interesting to me the reasoning behind announcing that you're
going to create a list, but then saying you might
not release it. Why not either just make a list
and release it or not. I don't understand the purpose
(20:22):
of saying you have one and that you know the names,
but that you might not release them.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Does it put anybody on notice? Does it put any
pressure on the government.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
To do what?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I don't know, release their list?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is it they claim there isn't one?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
There is not a list. So they're telling the government,
we don't want to release ours, you release yours, is
what she's saying. Now, we can't make sense. And look,
these are victims of horror. So wherever their heads aren't
what they decide to do. I don't know what threats
they received and what their lives have been. Like, you
(20:56):
do your thing, but today, as far as moving the
story ahead, as far as getting answers to the public,
this or at least that move robes put us in
now another confusing situation of oh, so there are names,
and they're standing in front of cameras yesterday saying the
people you're looking at up here, we know the list,
(21:18):
but we're not gonna tell you. That's that's gonna Yeah.
I mean, they could do their thing, but I don't
know what that created now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, it created more questions, It created more interest. It created,
It created headlines, and maybe that's what they wanted to
do and then maybe they'll release whatever they want to
release in time. But they got our attention, and maybe
that was just the whole purpose, not to do a
big information dump, but to actually start to get people's attention,
(21:53):
and then maybe they will start to reveal the names
or the information want the public to know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know, it's a good point. If they have said
two names, that's all we would have been talking about today, right,
we would have been talking about necessarily them being victimized.
I guess focused on who these names are. But I
don't know, are these people still out there victimizing.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean, if they have stories, personal stories with their
attacker or abuser's name that we haven't heard yet, those
stories would be powerful and.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
They would be told, so, you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
They will have to decide, and I don't know if
this is I mean, they were very unified and they
were cheering each other on and they were supporting one another,
which was beautiful to see. But I'm not sure what
the level of collaboration or agreement is as to what
they should do or how they should do it. So
maybe they just have to they want to stick together,
and I understand that maybe no one woman wants to
(22:51):
come out on her own and say something, so they
need to all agree on it, on the timing and
the purpose of what it is that they're doing.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okright, So we're going to wrap now, folks on two
more very important and maybe the most key moment of
the entire press conference in a lot of ways. But
it's further the confusion robes because their attorning was up there.
He made a couple of comments, made a comment that
there is a list, that there's not a list, and
(23:20):
that we're creating a list. So the first quote from
him I'll share is that him saying that every one
of these women was abused by Jeffrey Epstein, and his
scheme was to personally abuse women when they reached a
certain age. He did farm some of them out to
some of his friends. He used that phrase farm than
them out. He said, not all of his friends, but
(23:43):
some of his friends he formed these people out to.
And ending with this quote with that said, I'm more
than happy to assist in creating the list behind the
scenes and see what we do with it now. Previously,
he also said talking about Epstein, nobody protected these women
the first time. Is there a list? There is a list,
(24:05):
That's what he said, but Ropes he completely threw that
out to wind though with another comment.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think the distinction is my best assessment is that
there is a list that the women are compiling, that
the women have. But when the reporter followed up and said,
do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein had a list, he said,
there's not a list.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And he said that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Very clearly, with the women behind him many nodding in agreement.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Correct, because he said though, he was just basically saying
that without the people who I guess would be on
this list, he could not have done this. But the
purpose was for him to personally abuse people. Again, he
talked about some of his friends that he farmed out
(24:55):
women to, but that wasn't the primary purpose of his scheme.
He's saying, I don't think he wrote down the names
of the people who he farmed out women to. Yes,
there are names of people who he worked with and
who helped him operate in his scheme, But he was
(25:16):
basically saying it was a personal scheme for Jeffrey Epstein,
not necessarily for the other people on the list, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Incredibly confusing, and he ended with that's just not how
the organization worked. So I look, Rose, I'm glad. I
think a lot of people are glad, And look, I'm
happy they're having a moment. If they feel more comfortable
as a unit to come out and to be public
and to take back their lives their story in some
ways even in the middle of the or even help
(25:45):
the country in some way heal from all of this
back and forth and to some kind of way find
a lesson or some peace and all this, then that's great.
And we are now standing by and waiting for another
list to be compiled that maybe we will and maybe
we won't see ropes.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yes, we will all have to stay tuned for more details,
as Lisa Phillips told us in the press conference, and
we will certainly do that and bring you any new
developments as they become available.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But for now I may be Robock alongside T. J. Holmes.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Thanks as always for listening.
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