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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Saturday, December thirteenth, and what a shocking downfall
for the former head coach of the University of Michigan
football team. And we've gotten more details and found out
that all of this stems from his mistress breaking up
with him. And with that, welcome to this episode of
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Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Roobes.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This is a shocking story in a lot of ways
because of the job he had, even more shocking with
some of the details we heard about in court yesterday.
But Robes, this does all stem from a relationship he
had and she broke up with them.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
That was probably the most bizarre part of the whole thing.
To have this thirty nine year old man, head coach
University of Michigan, on his way up making six million
dollars a year, young young wife, young three young girls,
everything ahead of him. Why why would he throw it
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all away? And yes, he lost his job because of
this relationship, because for whatever reason, she came forward. But
then he lost his freedom. I mean, he was jailed
because he decided to go back over to her place
and literally have a breakdown.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Something's not right with Sharon Moore right now. Look, you
everybody can speculate about what and why. But he had
a break of some kind and he doesn't. And we're
not just saying that, or we're the ones that feel
that they checked him out after this incident and took
him for a mental evaluation afterwards. But folks, if you
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don't know the story by now, the University of Michigan
lost its football coach. When I say lost, these are
some of the biggest jobs robes in all of college athletics.
When you get a guy, they do everything in their
power to hold on to their guy. For them to
have to fire him, they had no choice by what
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they saw.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yes, the University of Michigan athletics department is everything, and
the football department is everything. They won the national championship
just what two years ago?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Two years ago he was an assistant on that team.
Jim Harball leaves to go professional, and people were so
excited that Michigan kept this guy. He wasn't some big
known commodity, necessarily some national name, but a lot. They
liked him there, and the players liked them there. And
to see Michigan give this guy a shot and then
he was successful, it was a great story. They ranked
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nine and three playing Texas in a bowl game at
the end of the year. I mean, this is Michigan
versus Texas in a bowl game. Now, this is going
to be the thing, you know what, Michigan Texas. Even
if you don't watch college football, Michigan Texas, that's what
Michigan is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And this is happening to that program right now.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And yes, and we have always talked about our love
of college football or huge college football fans, but there is.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Such huge money. Huge money.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I mean universities are made or can buy their athletics
department and specifically their football departments, and the fan base
and just the feeling of cheering for your university.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's everything to these institutions.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And to lose the leader that, as you pointed out,
successful and I couldn't believe how young he was. I
was shocked when I saw he was thirty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, on his way up. Set for life really at
this point. To be a successful coach at Michigan for
a couple of years, even if you have now a
couple of terrible years, there's plenty of cult colleges ago. Wow,
he was successful there, We'll take him. Well, he was
set for life in terms of coaching, and this has happened.
But it does all break down to what we found
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out yesterday, and again the order, make sure we get
the order right. It was fired then arrested. Right, He
wasn't fired because he got arrested for an incident.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
No, no, no, no, that's funny, because you're right. I didn't
even think about it. It does usually work in the
other direction. You get arrested for something where your work
finds out and they fire you because of it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Net this was the opposite, you are right.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And all this happened within an hour. They say he
found out he was fired and he was under arrest
in an hour.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So this goes back.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Now what we find out Robes, is this all kind
of started on Monday for him. On Monday, according to
the prosecutor, he was in Sharon Moore was in court yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I made his first quarter appearance.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But Roses goes back to Monday and they say, this
was a year's long relationship that he had with this
woman who was a staffer at the University of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Years long.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
We don't know why, but for whatever reason, on Monday
she broke it off.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, and that is fine. I think that would have
been potentially a fireable offense. But we don't know what
she came to the university with, but we were told
that she came with evidence of something. But she said
that he started calling her and texting her repeatedly and unwantingly.
She didn't want any more contact with him, and he
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basically she broke up with him, and he was like,
I don't know, I'm guessing please take me back, and
just barraging her and harassing her. And she even said
stalking her.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Again? Was that the thing?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And you tell me if you've seen her or read
something differently, what she came forward with was evidence of
their relationship or was it evidence of some bad behavior
or something he had done.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think my understanding, the way I took it, it
was both.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So she admitted to the relationship because she had to,
which obviously is inappropriate because she's a staffer and he
is the head coach of Michigan football. But that could
have started maybe when they were on more even keel.
We don't know what her role is at the university
at all and where they started out, how they started
out in their relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
But no, it seemed to me when they say she
brought evidence.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I'm thinking that he started harassing her with texts and
you know, for whatever reason. And she brought all of
that to the university and said, look at what he's doing,
and yes we had a relationship, and yes I broke
it off, and look how he's reacting. This isn't appropriate
behavior for someone in his position.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So she broke it off on Monday. As we move
forward on the storyline or the timeline, on Wednesday, Wednesday
is the day he is now confronted by the University
of Michigan. They say they fired him immediately. They say
when they were presented with what they saw quick investigation
the same day.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, that's why I think that the text messages must
have been threatening in some way, because for them to
make that decision so quickly, it had to be something
pretty severe.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So here he is. He gets fired.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
We were told it happened one on one. He gets fired. Now,
according to prosecutors, he makes his way over to the
home of his former lover now and lets himself in
if you will.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But they say he did go in uninvited. What's the word.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They barged through an unlocked door, so he didn't have
to break in, but he barged through an unlocked door
and apparently started yelling at her and grabbed butter knives
and scissors and held I believe the scissors up to
his neck.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
They were specific about the detail of two butter knives
and scissors.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, butter knives aren't exactly sharp, so I don't really understand.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That didn't seem very menacing.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If they said steak knives, if they said serrated knives,
if they said a bread knife, all of that, I
might be like oof. But no, butter knives fine, and
scissors and they say he threatened to kill himself, didn't
threaten her.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I didn't know how this sense, because this was an
alleged assault when we first heard about. They were responding
to a possible assault when police got the call, so
it was a possibility. But nothing the prosecutor said suggested
he threatened her.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's true, he did not threaten to kill her, but
he said they actually had his words. I guess she
relayed them to police immediately, But she said that Searon said.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I'm going to kill myself. I'm going to make you watch.
My blood is on your hand. You ruined my life.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Now when you read that he had to be spiraling.
I mean, look, an affair, one thing, awful enough wife,
three kids, but don't know that relationship, don't know what
was going on at home, don't know what his wife knew,
and don't know what was going on with this other woman.
They said years long. That's at least two, could have
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been three plus who knows?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And how long has he been head coach?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Only two years, but he was at the university for
years prior, so this could have.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Been who knows, Yeah, could be five years. We don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So, yes, that that happens, that's one thing. But robes
my goodness, you like you said he was, he's thirty
nine now, but still he's thirty six, thirty seven getting
this job man right, and so for him, he's successful.
He knows it. And this woman that he apparently has
trusted with a lot of his life, if she was
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keeping this secret and was involved with him for years,
this is somebody I assume, very very close to Yes, yes,
and she just turned on him in his mind and
has cost him the best job anybody who gets into
college coaching could ever imagine it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You must have been texting her some pretty heinous, threatening,
scary that's the only place my mind goes. She must
have felt like it was her only option, because you're right,
even if you're angry at someone, even if you're hurt
by someone. And she's the one who broke up with him,
So that's the only thing that I'm trying to quite
get my head around. But maybe it was because he
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started acting in a way she didn't like. Maybe it
was because she felt like or maybe he wouldn't leave
his wife. It could be a million different reasons why
she broke up with him, but it seems to me
that his behavior must have felt threatening to her enough
where she and she had to know what she was
doing when she took this to Yeah, when she took
this university, this wasn't just about her protecting herself. She
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knows she's ruining an entire entire man's life, an entire
football programs energy, she's taking the wind out of their sales,
she's creating a national scandal for the University of Michigan.
So she had to have known all of those things
when she walked in. And she had to have known
that she was going to be the person at the epicenter.
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And that is a huge I mean We don't have
her name right now, but I'm sure plenty of.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
People know exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
In fact, I think I heard today that someone said
this was the worst kept secret at the University of Michigan.
Everybody knew this relationship was going on. So I can't
imagine now what her life is like. And she walked
right into that, and you know, she had to. I
just would think she had to have thought that through
before she went to authorities.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Meaning it had to have risen to a really high
and serious level of something for her to do this, Well,
she had every right to do, like you said, we're
not doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And for the University of Michigan to have reacted as
swiftly as they did.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we will ever
get those details. Well, you know what, we probably will
at some point. But what was the dynamic between him
and this woman for her to think she had no
other choice but to blow up the Michigan football program exactly?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Then it had to be it had to be serious.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The charges now he's facing, one of them is a
felony home invasion that is a felony. Two other charges
stalking and breaking and entering. He has been released now
twenty five thousand dollars bond. He is required to wear
an ankle monitor, I do believe, and instructed clearly to
stay away from who they're calling the victim.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
He stalked somebody. He's got charges here.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
There is a victim in this case, so he's been
ordered to stay away from her.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Where does he go? What does he do? I didn't
get the ages on the daughters, but they had.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I just heard.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I read that he has three young daughters. And look,
if he's thirty nine years old, that makes sense. Three
young daughters. And his wife also was a part of
all of this. In these hours, she called police. She
was worried about her husband's safety that she told them,
my husband is suicidal for losing his job today.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
So she was worried about him.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
And hopefully they can well, they're going to have some
time together to see how they go forward after.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
All of this.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I mean, I can't even imagine what that journey's like.
So he's got a personal catastrophe happening right now of
his making, and a professional catastrophe because it's not just
about losing this job, it's about never working again, and
that is what these charges will do.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
To anybody.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
This is years and years and years and years before
anybody would ever dare trust him with their football program,
like he could do whatever rehabilitation and quite frankly, what
are we talking about. These charges come with potential jail time.
I think it's up to five years to have that right. So, yes,
we folks, this is not just going to go away
scandal wise. He has some legal issues now he's going
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to have to deal with prope to let him touch
a program in charge of young men, in charge of
leading eighteen nineteen year olds. That's just it's over. It's
over for the foreseeable future, I should say. But folks,
we're talking about the football program. But this is far
from the only issue in the Michigan athletic department. Stay here, Mary, folks,
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we continue on this Saturday with a story that is
really just a shocking scandal, a shocking sports you know,
I was about to say shocking sports scandal. It's a
shocking scandal having to do with somebody involved in sports.
But this is not an issue here of he's being
accused of doing something wrong in the field or anything
having to actually do with the field of play. This
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is about allegations of head football coach behaving badly.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I know, and I was looking at the charges because
you made a good point earlier before the break that
this was not someone who was looking to harm. At
least it doesn't appear that he was looking to harm
his ex lover. He was incredibly upset and wanting to
harm himself. That's how desperate I mean, when you lose everything,
I mean everything, including your reputation, which is almost impossible
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to regain.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
What do you have to live for?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
That's what was going through his minds, of my heart, like,
regardless of what he did, I'm not I am not
condoning any of his behavior, but I feel for him
from a human standpoint that he got that desperate, and
then to think that he got charged with home invasion, stalking,
breaking and entering. Now the stalking, I don't know that
might have to do That's why I was thinking the
texts that she brought to the university might have something
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to do with that, because just because he rushed into
her home and threatened to kill himself, that's not stalking.
So I'm thinking all of those whatever she showed the university,
that's where those charges came from. And we don't know
what he was doing. But the home invasion in breaking
and entering seems a little a little harsh.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, the prosecutor explained or she was trying to
explain that his behavior was threatening. Yeah, that this woman did.
She used the word terrorized maybe, but yeah, she described it.
The prosecutor did as a very scary, intimidating, threatening manner
in which he behaved.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
So I mean, I can take that consequences for behaving
like that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But my I don't know what help. I mean, he
went for the mental evaluation, but he came back. I
think I don't know the technical term, but he essentially
checked out. Okay, from the mental evaluation standpoint, he's supposed
to be back in court, I think in January is
the next thing that's planned for him. But what the
university is going to do now is investigate. They have
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an alcohilqua.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh no, it's gonna he's an electronic monitor. Correct, So
he has to he's basically on house arrest until January.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, he's not supoutman.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
What permission he can get, he's limited in where he
can go and why does he want to go anywhere
and do anything. He's he has to lay low, he
has to be at home. What is going on with
those kids? They are they still going to school and
just that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Man, I hadn't even thought about. I just got their ages.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Actually, Shiloh was born in twenty nineteen, so she's around
five or six, so yeah, she would be in kindergarten,
probably our first grade. So Leigh was born in twenty
twenty two, so she's around two or three. And then Sadie,
Oh what cute little names. She was born this year,
so she's less than a year old. He has babies,
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babies at home. I feel for his wife.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The middle one holding she between two and.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Three, just babies that they basically have a you know,
a kindergartener, a toddler, and an infant.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That's what they have.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
The I mean, they are juggling a lot, and I
just I do feel for that family.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, And to your point, again, got to keep pointing
out this is a mess that appears right now with
his own making. But from a human standpoint, you can't
help but think about what we say it all the time.
We talk about a victim that was the prosecut you're
talking about the victim in this case, yes, and we always.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
His family, his family, some of the biggest victims.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
A baby who has no idea right now what's going
on with her daddy, A toddler who probably doesn't either
necessarily the older one is getting a sense.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
That first grader, yes, she might have a.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But those are babies to your point, as as that
whole family that everybody has been victimized here, but wrote
the University of Michigan is now bringing on an independent
law firm to do an investigation, not just of this incident,
not just of this what's happening with Sharon Moore, but
of the entire athletic department which for years NC double
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A violations, firing of coaches, ugly incidents, the basketball coach
Jawon Howard, remember he slapped an assistant coach during a game.
They've got hit with all kinds of NC DOUBLEA violations.
They've had all this stuff, and now there's a question
of wait a minute, this is just in line with
the possible culture in our athletic department, and they got
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to look into this.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, CNN did a whole article on it today about
enlisted all everything you just mentioned listed.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Every single violation.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And you know what, I have to give the University
of Michigan credit for them to say, hey, yes, this
is a problem with the latest with Sharon with our
head coach.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is this indicative of the culture that we have created
and fostered and we need to find out? And I
think that was pretty cool. They weren't quick to say
this was an isolated incident. All of these things collectively
might look bad, but we can explain them away because
individually we all know why this happened. You know, they're
saying we need to reevaluate everything about our athletics department,
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and I think that is the right thing to do,
and that is I think that should be applauded.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, it is the right thing. I don't necessarily want
to give too much credit.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Right We need people to still consider this university the
elite institution we think it is to get the enrollment up,
to get the athletics department where we want it to be.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But where do you want it to be?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You wanted to be a winning athletic department, right because
the coach they had that won them that national championship, Harbor,
I think he was suspended the very year of his
championship tice during that year. Okay, so I know, folks,
we could talk all day long about the integrity of
the program, but.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Who gives a shit.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
They put how many in the big house one hundred
and how many thousand can get in that place.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
This is the most valuable brand in all of college sports,
almost the football program.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So yes, you got to investigate now, but winning is
paramount and we know this.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Uh yeah, I was actually surprised, just just it shows
just how much money these coaches are making six million
a year and he was and he lost all that,
by the way, because look, we see coaches going out
and they get golden parachutes, they have to pay them
out their contract. We've actually done plenty of stories on that.
But when you get fired four cause which he did do,
you don't get a penny of what's left on your contract.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So he just lost about that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This incident, this relationship and how he reacted as it
was ending cost him at least twelve million dollars and
never working in untold.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, there you go, Untold millions in the future, and
you brought it up rogues. If folks want to know
how important athletic departments are in particular football programs. Look
that Texas A and M was willing to pay seventy
five million dollars just to get rid of a guy.
Penn State was willing to pay fifty five million just
to fire their coach.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And here the University of Michigan had a winning coach
who was building their program and taking it in the
direction they wanted it.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
To go, yes, which is winning, while the athletic department
was going in a direction some say shouldn't be going.
But folks, yeah, they are what they play into this
year at Texas Michigan in a bowl game. But hearts
go out to that family of Sharon Moore into that community.
We know it's a tight d it one and a
big one the Michigan community. Well, folks, so I always
appreciate you spending some time with That's for my dear
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Amy Robot.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I am T. J. Holmes, and we will talk to
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