October 24, 2025 • 20 mins
This week, we all see the unimaginable happen while cameras are rolling for the hit tv series “Ghost Adventures”. Star Aaron Goodwin is hunting ghosts on location, when he receives a phone call from police, who tell him they are at his home, arresting his wife for arranging his murder. That moment is included in the latest episode of “Ghost Adventures” on a week where Goodwin has given his fans an update on his impending divorce, and an honest response about how he is doing, just months after his soon to be ex wife was sentenced to at least 3 years behind bars.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Friday, October twenty fourth, and this week there is
life imitating art in the middle of making art. But
if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures,
this week's episode is actually really scary, as in real
life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventure shows the
(00:29):
moment when one of it stars, Aaron Goodman, receives a
call from police while he's in the middle of filming
this week's episode that's called Hollydale Asylum of Hell and TJ.
You said you remember hearing about reading about this story
as it happened earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh, yeah, this has been going on for a while.
A lot of people will be familiar. But I mean
a lot of people are into true crime these days.
They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your
I say, you're with all of us. Well, your favorite
most intrigue and captivating episodes you can see is when
there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind
the scenes video, the cop videos. They're just intriguing stories.
(01:10):
But we got a guy that now a lot of
people are familiar with is caught up in this and yeah,
this week we saw saw on video. I guess this
is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the
first time we're seeing it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So while Aaron was there in the middle of a
filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then
gets a call from hell literally and he says he
will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost
Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting
(01:42):
and the history of this location, he's now finding out
that something was going on in his own home that
he had no idea what was happening. And we see
the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house.
He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they
were arresting his wife in an alleged plot to kill him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
What was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
She just didn't want a divorce, and she actually asks
we'll get into her text messages back and forth with
she was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate
in a Florida prison and she basically asked him, I
a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather
than divorce him. The answer is yes, and if you
(02:27):
have to ask why would you ask an inmate?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already here. Again,
you're going to go through the story there. But the
case itself has for the most part been resolved. Yes,
but it's back in the headlines this week because of
this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they
promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks
ago or months ago that this was coming.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But it threw me to see the headline that they
kept us in there.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That absolutely threw me as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I hadn't been keeping up with I'm familiar with
this TV show And by the way, it's a hit
TV series on Discovery Plus Ghost Adventures. It's been on
the air since two thousand and eight, so for almost
twenty years. And this is a team that researches the
locations the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings,
(03:13):
and then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is,
this historically haunted place, and they use equipment overnight to
try and capture evidence like audio recordings, some sort of
visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture
or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing
this successfully and so many people love Aaron Goodwin and
(03:36):
love the show, and we're just appalled to hear that
this could have been happening. But this is what viewers
saw this week, and if you haven't seen it, definitely
worth a tune in. But literally they're filming and Goodwin says, dude,
and then says, bro, the police ri at my house.
He goes outside to take the call and they freeze
the video and the host, Zach Began, says, at this point,
(03:59):
we will will not be showing any further footage. But
it is at this moment that Aaron receives a call
from the police that his wife has been arrested and
charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman
to have Aarin killed. That is an someone who deals
with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the
(04:22):
most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and again it was in the moment is his
head was someone not that you're ever being in the
right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given
where he was and what he was going through, cameras
or rolling and looking at him and that's not I mean,
I don't know how you could get that message and
not be surprised. I don't know you're ever going to
get it. Say yeah, this reads, it's all the writing
on the wall. Things weren't going well, and I'm now
(04:47):
the person. You've shared how long they've been married.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
They got married in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Two, Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long
they've been together. But still you're somebody you decide you're
going to marry. You don't imagine that person's going to
try kill you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, And it's shocking to know, maybe even sometimes that
someone wants to divorce you or has fallen out of
love with you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's shocking enough.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But to go ahead and skip those steps and go
straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was
arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring
to commit murder. And they found They say they uncovered
the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this
Florida inmate. His name is Grant a Motto, and she said,
(05:30):
I want to leave my marriage.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's
the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police
are reading about information she has given this inmate about
where he is filming, like his filming schedule. Within the messages,
she actually wrote this, he's asleep right now in the
hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can
(05:54):
I get an update?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Was it done?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Okay? And how did this work? The inmate?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
She's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then
finding somebody for her right, so correct.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I don't know how she thought.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And again she's communicating not on some signal app you know,
the one that used the Pentagon or some other secure channel.
She's just Facebook messaging this guy.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yes, anything, nobody's going.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
To find that, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And you want to know how she even found this inmate?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
She was watching TV like the rest of us, watching
some true crime show and not he looks like a
good one. I never thought of using it as a
recruiting tool, but she apparently did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that, yes,
she actually admitted to detectives while she was being interviewed
before her arrest that she.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Had become aware of the Florida inmate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They were confronting her with, hey, we know you've been
communicating with his inmate. How did you meet him through
a true crime documentary? And began writing to him.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
How much of this I mean? I hear that, I
mean this.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Some of the details are unbelievable. Criminals aren't smart. But
you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of
I mean, yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But why what is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And we watch these true crime stories all the time,
and yes, Snapped is one of our favorites and has
everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing
somebody for the most part, how you get to that point?
Why divorce is not an option for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the
time of her messages to this inmate, she said that
she and Aaron were going through problems in their marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, let's call a marriage that's yes, show me a
marriage that hasn't had problems.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
George Clooney, and didn't they say?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I forgot?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They never fight and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But she then also told the inmate she described herself
as being lonely and so then she said she began
connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was
some sort of romance element to her connection with this inmate,
but yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with his
inmate talking about how she didn't feel connected to her
(08:12):
husband to suddenly saying, hey, I'd like to murder my husband.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That seems like a major leap, just.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A short just one small step for miss Scotland's good way.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I should say that is so concerning, But you're right,
we do see this all the time in true true
crime stories. Anyway, if she actually was a true crime fan,
she should know that these never end.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, you know, this is very that's a very good
point there is. You don't learn when you watch true
crime shows how to commit a murder or how to
commit a crime, or how to get away with it.
You learn you are not going to get away with it.
You just are not in these steps she's leaving this
kind of true. I don't know what was going on
(08:56):
with her, what she was thinking, but this is I
don't know, there's something I don't know. I miss something
to the story. Yeah, she's going to jail. How long
it's a thirty six to ninety months.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was
sentenced to thirty six to ninety months in prison.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So what is that three years?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Three years at least?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right? She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing
to Aaron. She said, I'm so immensely sorry for the
pain and anxiety I have caused you and the betrayal
you undoubtedly and rightfully feel by my actions. She said
that she's consumed with regret every day and is ashamed
and disappointed with herself. I mean, thank goodness police did
(09:36):
intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime
are stories where they describe being ashamed and disappointed and
consumed with regret after having had their loved one killed.
So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the
silver lining that this was found out ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And he spoke as well. I know what that hearing,
but this, and he spoke on this idea. How can you?
How can is he not looking over his shoulder the
rest of his life now, even if he truly believes
nobody is or his wife at least no more is
trying to get this change? Is everything I could I
think there's somebody out there who actually went through the
(10:15):
motions of getting you killed. That that changes the time
he spoke on that and how he has changed forever
because of this. That's Look, it's disappointed. Look, marital problems
are difficult enough. Divorce is hell. Now you add this
other element to all of that hell already in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I can't imagine and have it play out literally on
the television show that You're a star on why they
make that choice. He probably had to okay it, but
it was so public anyway, he probably just figured, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He didn't have to have that scene. Though he didn't
have it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It was a choice. It was a choice, so just one.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, maybe it is. This is part of just
getting it out there. It's been talked about. I don't
want to be a cynical is thinking oh, this is
going to be a good promotional thing. I don't want
to be that kind of cynical, even though it is
it is a big thing. I don't want to say that.
Maybe it was a choice that had more to do
with closure, had more to do with keeping the public
(11:16):
informed and letting them in. Obviously it's a full disclosure
to where how this went down Like this is real, folks,
So who knows why? I thought it was an interesting choice.
Not sure what I would have done.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, well, Aaron Goodwin actually has been pretty open about it,
has been speaking about it, and actually talked about it
this week on his social media. We're going to go
through their relationship real quickly, and it is pretty remarkable
how recently they were seemingly in love to what Goodwin's
response has been about the publicity surrounding this week's episode,
(11:48):
and certainly what he's been going through. Back to this
episode of Amy and TJ where we are talking about
ghost Adventure star wo He has had a hell of
(12:08):
a week, Aaron Goodwin, and he certainly had a hell
of a year this week. In this latest episode of
his hit show, we actually see the moment where he
receives a phone call from police telling him that they
are arresting his wife for plotting to have him murdered.
And so, yes, this has all been going on this year.
(12:30):
She pleaded guilty, she was sentenced, and you go back
just a few years to the beginning of their relationship
and the pair got married in August of twenty twenty two.
So yeah, just three years ago at Disneyland, and that
was a little bit later than they wanted. They had
originally set their wedding for May of twenty twenty, and
of course the pandemic took over, so they've been together
(12:52):
for quite some time. But I guess she was really
into the ghost adventure theme. They got actually engaged, or
at least they took pictures of their celebration in Disneyland
at the Haunted Mansion as part of their celebration, so
they really leaned into the whole ghost thing there.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's not a starting off for Disneyland. That's probably not
a good start.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, and maybe at the Haunted Mansion. But he wrote
it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times
to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier.
It's just so sad to think about what went wrong
in those three years.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
What went wrong. Nothing went wrong enough that murder seemed
to be an option.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Nothing could be justifiable enough.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I just can't. And there's no accusation of him doing.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Anything of any kind towards her emotionally, physically, or otherwise.
Nothing like that, So I don't know what happens yes,
relationship break down for all kinds of reasons. It's sad
every time I see it. This is a sad one
as well. And we never know what happens. And we've
learned this plenty, and we've experienced this plenty. You don't
know what's going on in somebody else's life, relationship, marriage,
(14:01):
no matter what they're saying or showing to you on
social media. Just please, man, give everybody a break. When
they look like they're doing well, and when they don't
look like they're doing well, you got to give people
a break.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's such a good reminder.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And even Aaron Goodwin himself went on Instagram this week
and I loved what he put out there. It's another reminder.
You know, we think celebrities are insulated, or that if
people have money or success that somehow they don't feel
the same things we all feel. And this is what
he said because obviously he's being inundated by requests from
people who want to talk to him after this week's episode,
(14:36):
but he said this.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
To all the press out there messaging me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Thank you for all reaching out and being awesome, But
unfortunately I can't talk about anything yet. I can tell
you guys, I'm doing okay, but I would rather be honest.
Just know I'm not doing good at all, and every
day is worth worse with all I'm learning all the time.
They say in time everything gets better, But I just
(15:01):
want the divorce to be over so I can move
on with my life. Honestly, I probably couldn't make it
through an interview without being in tears.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I'm just not ready yet.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
This has been the worst year of my life.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I get that it was almost the way to just
kind of everybody, give me a break, Come just be
straight with you and get this over with and move on.
I can imagine how he's being dated to talk about
what right?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How it feels.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yes, we work in an industry where interviews are a
big deal. We love to have big gets. If I
had the opportunity and say would you want to interview
him or have a drink with.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Him and say, yeah, I'll take the drink. Exactly, We're
gonna sit down and talk to this guy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, what's he going to say? I mean, it's the
ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved, the person who
you devoted your life to. Isn't just not in love
with you? Is trying to actively kill you, and actually
the last text message asked if it was done Like
that's really scary and it shakes your trust to your
core of humans.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's you say
ultimate betrayal there, it's it's that we've seen crimes of passion,
plenty of those. Somebody gets hot in a moment rage, right,
she had time to rethink what she was doing and
go this is a bad idea. There was a lot
of steps involved in what she was doing, which I
(16:23):
think does for a couple of things make this more
difficult to understand what was going on.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
She's not just crazy, is she?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
She didn't just become all of a sudden some homicidal maniac.
What happens to people to make them capable of this?
Where they always capable of this? What happens and a
normal person's life that turns them into a mister murderer
plotting to.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Cold blooded See this is this is thoughtful?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
This is this is I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
The more you talk about it, the more I feel
like thirty six months doesn't seem like enough, because.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's a little that's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I can't imagine knowing that someone who tried to kill
me and actually thought they had and was okay with
it would be out on the streets in three years.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know we've seen I know you remember this now,
but I'm always taken when we see these stories on
true crime. At the end, the person who the murder
for higher plot. If the person didn't get killed, then
the person has usually fairly lighter sentence than you would imagine.
I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died, didn't
actually kill me, but.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You wanted and thought they were dead, and you actually
followed through to make sure it was done to me.
That should be almost as much as murder itself. Why
wouldn't it be.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Why didn't this one get.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
They called her, she pleaded guilty.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Why didn't Yes, they intercepted the text messages. They knew
what was happening, so they were able to yes for
the plot.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
But what if they hadn't exactly exactly were talking about
this with the Atlanta Air thing. What if they hadn't
gotten to him in time? It was just a matter,
this was going to happen. People were going to die.
Save a text message being picked up him.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I don't know. I wonder what he is.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't wonder if he's talked to her privately. I
know he says some stuff to her in court.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
What could you ever possibly get past.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You couldn't get past anything, but you would want to
know why for some reason. I think all of us,
deep down would want to know why. Even if there
isn't a satiable answer. It just feels like you would
still want to ask.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
No, it isn't the why we get in these true
crime stories. The murder for hires at least seem to
be all about money, not because this person made me
mad or they did me wrong. It seems to be
always about money. I just want to get out of
the relationship and don't. It's why it's so often women
are murdering the guys you mean in.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Murder for hires because they don't want to get their
hands dirty, or they don't think they're physically capable.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I think it's one of their Maybe it's both.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yes, so we should probably check this lady. She probably
has what a gambling debt, a shopping addiction, or she's
a former nurse.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, that's what we see in true crime.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But unfortunately, this is a situation where you know what
We wish the best for Aaron Goodwin. I can't even
begin to imagine the healing that he is going to
be having to go through, but it sounds like he's
got a lot of support. He has a phenomenal career,
and we hope that he learns to trust again one
day because not everybody, and most people are not like
(19:32):
his ex wife Victoria.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I applaud him for turning something that was a passion
into something that's now going to the mainstream. He made
it a hit. He had to go through this publicly.
He is going to be okay. It doesn't feel like
it now, but of course he's going to be in
a better place. You know, my mom always say, a
good thing you found out now instead of finding out
(19:54):
a few years from now.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Right he's getting this out of his life now.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That true.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
One before he's divorced, two before he's It's a blessing.
This is an absolute blessing that he is alive and
able to suffer right now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Congratulations.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I know you don't want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron,
but my man, we are so happy you are alive and.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Able to be miserable right now. Because the alternative is
something else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That's a really good way to end this episode. With that, everyone,
thank you for listening. I'm Ami Roboc alongside TJ Holmes.
We'll talk to you soon.
Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Friday, October twenty fourth, and this week there is
life imitating art in the middle of making art. But
if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures,
this week's episode is actually really scary, as in real
life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventure shows the
(00:29):
moment when one of it stars, Aaron Goodman, receives a
call from police while he's in the middle of filming
this week's episode that's called Hollydale Asylum of Hell and TJ.
You said you remember hearing about reading about this story
as it happened earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh, yeah, this has been going on for a while.
A lot of people will be familiar. But I mean
a lot of people are into true crime these days.
They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your
I say, you're with all of us. Well, your favorite
most intrigue and captivating episodes you can see is when
there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind
the scenes video, the cop videos. They're just intriguing stories.
(01:10):
But we got a guy that now a lot of
people are familiar with is caught up in this and yeah,
this week we saw saw on video. I guess this
is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the
first time we're seeing it, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So while Aaron was there in the middle of a
filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then
gets a call from hell literally and he says he
will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost
Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting
(01:42):
and the history of this location, he's now finding out
that something was going on in his own home that
he had no idea what was happening. And we see
the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house.
He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they
were arresting his wife in an alleged plot to kill him.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
What was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
She just didn't want a divorce, and she actually asks
we'll get into her text messages back and forth with
she was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate
in a Florida prison and she basically asked him, I
a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather
than divorce him. The answer is yes, and if you
(02:27):
have to ask why would you ask an inmate?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already here. Again,
you're going to go through the story there. But the
case itself has for the most part been resolved. Yes,
but it's back in the headlines this week because of
this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they
promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks
ago or months ago that this was coming.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But it threw me to see the headline that they
kept us in there.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That absolutely threw me as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And I hadn't been keeping up with I'm familiar with
this TV show And by the way, it's a hit
TV series on Discovery Plus Ghost Adventures. It's been on
the air since two thousand and eight, so for almost
twenty years. And this is a team that researches the
locations the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings,
(03:13):
and then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is,
this historically haunted place, and they use equipment overnight to
try and capture evidence like audio recordings, some sort of
visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture
or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing
this successfully and so many people love Aaron Goodwin and
(03:36):
love the show, and we're just appalled to hear that
this could have been happening. But this is what viewers
saw this week, and if you haven't seen it, definitely
worth a tune in. But literally they're filming and Goodwin says, dude,
and then says, bro, the police ri at my house.
He goes outside to take the call and they freeze
the video and the host, Zach Began, says, at this point,
(03:59):
we will will not be showing any further footage. But
it is at this moment that Aaron receives a call
from the police that his wife has been arrested and
charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman
to have Aarin killed. That is an someone who deals
with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the
(04:22):
most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and again it was in the moment is his
head was someone not that you're ever being in the
right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given
where he was and what he was going through, cameras
or rolling and looking at him and that's not I mean,
I don't know how you could get that message and
not be surprised. I don't know you're ever going to
get it. Say yeah, this reads, it's all the writing
on the wall. Things weren't going well, and I'm now
(04:47):
the person. You've shared how long they've been married.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
They got married in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Two, Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long
they've been together. But still you're somebody you decide you're
going to marry. You don't imagine that person's going to
try kill you.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, And it's shocking to know, maybe even sometimes that
someone wants to divorce you or has fallen out of
love with you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's shocking enough.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But to go ahead and skip those steps and go
straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was
arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring
to commit murder. And they found They say they uncovered
the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this
Florida inmate. His name is Grant a Motto, and she said,
(05:30):
I want to leave my marriage.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's
the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police
are reading about information she has given this inmate about
where he is filming, like his filming schedule. Within the messages,
she actually wrote this, he's asleep right now in the
hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can
(05:54):
I get an update?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Was it done?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Okay? And how did this work? The inmate?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
She's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then
finding somebody for her right, so correct.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I don't know how she thought.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And again she's communicating not on some signal app you know,
the one that used the Pentagon or some other secure channel.
She's just Facebook messaging this guy.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yes, anything, nobody's going.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
To find that, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And you want to know how she even found this inmate?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
She was watching TV like the rest of us, watching
some true crime show and not he looks like a
good one. I never thought of using it as a
recruiting tool, but she apparently did.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that, yes,
she actually admitted to detectives while she was being interviewed
before her arrest that she.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Had become aware of the Florida inmate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They were confronting her with, hey, we know you've been
communicating with his inmate. How did you meet him through
a true crime documentary? And began writing to him.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
How much of this I mean? I hear that, I
mean this.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Some of the details are unbelievable. Criminals aren't smart. But
you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of
I mean, yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But why what is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And we watch these true crime stories all the time,
and yes, Snapped is one of our favorites and has
everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing
somebody for the most part, how you get to that point?
Why divorce is not an option for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the
time of her messages to this inmate, she said that
she and Aaron were going through problems in their marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, let's call a marriage that's yes, show me a
marriage that hasn't had problems.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
George Clooney, and didn't they say?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I forgot?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They never fight and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But she then also told the inmate she described herself
as being lonely and so then she said she began
connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was
some sort of romance element to her connection with this inmate,
but yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with his
inmate talking about how she didn't feel connected to her
(08:12):
husband to suddenly saying, hey, I'd like to murder my husband.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That seems like a major leap, just.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A short just one small step for miss Scotland's good way.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I should say that is so concerning, But you're right,
we do see this all the time in true true
crime stories. Anyway, if she actually was a true crime fan,
she should know that these never end.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, you know, this is very that's a very good
point there is. You don't learn when you watch true
crime shows how to commit a murder or how to
commit a crime, or how to get away with it.
You learn you are not going to get away with it.
You just are not in these steps she's leaving this
kind of true. I don't know what was going on
(08:56):
with her, what she was thinking, but this is I
don't know, there's something I don't know. I miss something
to the story. Yeah, she's going to jail. How long
it's a thirty six to ninety months.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was
sentenced to thirty six to ninety months in prison.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So what is that three years?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Three years at least?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right? She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing
to Aaron. She said, I'm so immensely sorry for the
pain and anxiety I have caused you and the betrayal
you undoubtedly and rightfully feel by my actions. She said
that she's consumed with regret every day and is ashamed
and disappointed with herself. I mean, thank goodness police did
(09:36):
intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime
are stories where they describe being ashamed and disappointed and
consumed with regret after having had their loved one killed.
So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the
silver lining that this was found out ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And he spoke as well. I know what that hearing,
but this, and he spoke on this idea. How can you?
How can is he not looking over his shoulder the
rest of his life now, even if he truly believes
nobody is or his wife at least no more is
trying to get this change? Is everything I could I
think there's somebody out there who actually went through the
(10:15):
motions of getting you killed. That that changes the time
he spoke on that and how he has changed forever
because of this. That's Look, it's disappointed. Look, marital problems
are difficult enough. Divorce is hell. Now you add this
other element to all of that hell already in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I can't imagine and have it play out literally on
the television show that You're a star on why they
make that choice. He probably had to okay it, but
it was so public anyway, he probably just figured, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
He didn't have to have that scene. Though he didn't
have it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It was a choice. It was a choice, so just one.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, maybe it is. This is part of just
getting it out there. It's been talked about. I don't
want to be a cynical is thinking oh, this is
going to be a good promotional thing. I don't want
to be that kind of cynical, even though it is
it is a big thing. I don't want to say that.
Maybe it was a choice that had more to do
with closure, had more to do with keeping the public
(11:16):
informed and letting them in. Obviously it's a full disclosure
to where how this went down Like this is real, folks,
So who knows why? I thought it was an interesting choice.
Not sure what I would have done.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, well, Aaron Goodwin actually has been pretty open about it,
has been speaking about it, and actually talked about it
this week on his social media. We're going to go
through their relationship real quickly, and it is pretty remarkable
how recently they were seemingly in love to what Goodwin's
response has been about the publicity surrounding this week's episode,
(11:48):
and certainly what he's been going through. Back to this
episode of Amy and TJ where we are talking about
ghost Adventure star wo He has had a hell of
(12:08):
a week, Aaron Goodwin, and he certainly had a hell
of a year this week. In this latest episode of
his hit show, we actually see the moment where he
receives a phone call from police telling him that they
are arresting his wife for plotting to have him murdered.
And so, yes, this has all been going on this year.
(12:30):
She pleaded guilty, she was sentenced, and you go back
just a few years to the beginning of their relationship
and the pair got married in August of twenty twenty two.
So yeah, just three years ago at Disneyland, and that
was a little bit later than they wanted. They had
originally set their wedding for May of twenty twenty, and
of course the pandemic took over, so they've been together
(12:52):
for quite some time. But I guess she was really
into the ghost adventure theme. They got actually engaged, or
at least they took pictures of their celebration in Disneyland
at the Haunted Mansion as part of their celebration, so
they really leaned into the whole ghost thing there.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's not a starting off for Disneyland. That's probably not
a good start.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, and maybe at the Haunted Mansion. But he wrote
it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times
to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier.
It's just so sad to think about what went wrong
in those three years.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
What went wrong. Nothing went wrong enough that murder seemed
to be an option.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Nothing could be justifiable enough.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I just can't. And there's no accusation of him doing.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Anything of any kind towards her emotionally, physically, or otherwise.
Nothing like that, So I don't know what happens yes,
relationship break down for all kinds of reasons. It's sad
every time I see it. This is a sad one
as well. And we never know what happens. And we've
learned this plenty, and we've experienced this plenty. You don't
know what's going on in somebody else's life, relationship, marriage,
(14:01):
no matter what they're saying or showing to you on
social media. Just please, man, give everybody a break. When
they look like they're doing well, and when they don't
look like they're doing well, you got to give people
a break.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's such a good reminder.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And even Aaron Goodwin himself went on Instagram this week
and I loved what he put out there. It's another reminder.
You know, we think celebrities are insulated, or that if
people have money or success that somehow they don't feel
the same things we all feel. And this is what
he said because obviously he's being inundated by requests from
people who want to talk to him after this week's episode,
(14:36):
but he said this.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
To all the press out there messaging me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Thank you for all reaching out and being awesome, But
unfortunately I can't talk about anything yet. I can tell
you guys, I'm doing okay, but I would rather be honest.
Just know I'm not doing good at all, and every
day is worth worse with all I'm learning all the time.
They say in time everything gets better, But I just
(15:01):
want the divorce to be over so I can move
on with my life. Honestly, I probably couldn't make it
through an interview without being in tears.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I'm just not ready yet.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
This has been the worst year of my life.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I get that it was almost the way to just
kind of everybody, give me a break, Come just be
straight with you and get this over with and move on.
I can imagine how he's being dated to talk about
what right?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How it feels.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yes, we work in an industry where interviews are a
big deal. We love to have big gets. If I
had the opportunity and say would you want to interview
him or have a drink with.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Him and say, yeah, I'll take the drink. Exactly, We're
gonna sit down and talk to this guy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, what's he going to say? I mean, it's the
ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved, the person who
you devoted your life to. Isn't just not in love
with you? Is trying to actively kill you, and actually
the last text message asked if it was done Like
that's really scary and it shakes your trust to your
core of humans.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's you say
ultimate betrayal there, it's it's that we've seen crimes of passion,
plenty of those. Somebody gets hot in a moment rage, right,
she had time to rethink what she was doing and
go this is a bad idea. There was a lot
of steps involved in what she was doing, which I
(16:23):
think does for a couple of things make this more
difficult to understand what was going on.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
She's not just crazy, is she?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
She didn't just become all of a sudden some homicidal maniac.
What happens to people to make them capable of this?
Where they always capable of this? What happens and a
normal person's life that turns them into a mister murderer
plotting to.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Cold blooded See this is this is thoughtful?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
This is this is I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
The more you talk about it, the more I feel
like thirty six months doesn't seem like enough, because.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's a little that's scary.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I can't imagine knowing that someone who tried to kill
me and actually thought they had and was okay with
it would be out on the streets in three years.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You know we've seen I know you remember this now,
but I'm always taken when we see these stories on
true crime. At the end, the person who the murder
for higher plot. If the person didn't get killed, then
the person has usually fairly lighter sentence than you would imagine.
I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died, didn't
actually kill me, but.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You wanted and thought they were dead, and you actually
followed through to make sure it was done to me.
That should be almost as much as murder itself. Why
wouldn't it be.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Why didn't this one get.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
They called her, she pleaded guilty.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Why didn't Yes, they intercepted the text messages. They knew
what was happening, so they were able to yes for
the plot.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
But what if they hadn't exactly exactly were talking about
this with the Atlanta Air thing. What if they hadn't
gotten to him in time? It was just a matter,
this was going to happen. People were going to die.
Save a text message being picked up him.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I don't know. I wonder what he is.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't wonder if he's talked to her privately. I
know he says some stuff to her in court.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
What could you ever possibly get past.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You couldn't get past anything, but you would want to
know why for some reason. I think all of us,
deep down would want to know why. Even if there
isn't a satiable answer. It just feels like you would
still want to ask.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
No, it isn't the why we get in these true
crime stories. The murder for hires at least seem to
be all about money, not because this person made me
mad or they did me wrong. It seems to be
always about money. I just want to get out of
the relationship and don't. It's why it's so often women
are murdering the guys you mean in.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Murder for hires because they don't want to get their
hands dirty, or they don't think they're physically capable.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I think it's one of their Maybe it's both.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yes, so we should probably check this lady. She probably
has what a gambling debt, a shopping addiction, or she's
a former nurse.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, that's what we see in true crime.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But unfortunately, this is a situation where you know what
We wish the best for Aaron Goodwin. I can't even
begin to imagine the healing that he is going to
be having to go through, but it sounds like he's
got a lot of support. He has a phenomenal career,
and we hope that he learns to trust again one
day because not everybody, and most people are not like
(19:32):
his ex wife Victoria.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I applaud him for turning something that was a passion
into something that's now going to the mainstream. He made
it a hit. He had to go through this publicly.
He is going to be okay. It doesn't feel like
it now, but of course he's going to be in
a better place. You know, my mom always say, a
good thing you found out now instead of finding out
(19:54):
a few years from now.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Right he's getting this out of his life now.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That true.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
One before he's divorced, two before he's It's a blessing.
This is an absolute blessing that he is alive and
able to suffer right now.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Congratulations.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I know you don't want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron,
but my man, we are so happy you are alive and.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Able to be miserable right now. Because the alternative is
something else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
That's a really good way to end this episode. With that, everyone,
thank you for listening. I'm Ami Roboc alongside TJ Holmes.
We'll talk to you soon.
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