July 22, 2025 • 30 mins
Amy and T.J. go over the expletive riddled, headline making, 3 hour interview with Hunter Biden. Not only does Hunter drop a bombshell that his father was on Ambien leading up to his devastating debate with Trump, but he also goes after actor George Clooney, accusing him of stepping on and undermining his father, telling him to “F*#% Off.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, the folks, it's July twenty second, and it turns
out Sleepy Joe might have been really sleepy. We're talking
like ambient sleepy and with that, welcome to Amy and
TJ and being kind of tongue and cheek playing off
of a name that was an insult Robes that the president,
President Trump gave Joe Sleepy Joe. But now we are
being told Joe might have been literally prescription drug led
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sleepy at the debate that changed everything last year.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, we heard from his son, Hunter Biden, who for
whatever reason chose to do a three hour interview unedited
with a YouTube host, and that in and of itself
is interesting. But I don't think any one of us
could probably do an interview for three hours and not
say something we didn't mean to say, or have something
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that maybe we shouldn't have said. You get a little tired,
you get a little impassioned, you start feeling yourself, you
start saying things maybe you should and I feel like
I do I think Look, I feel like the first
hour was kind of boring, and then he started getting
revved up. And then yes, there were a couple headlines,
but obviously the ambient headline was the biggest one of
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them all.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You think to say that, and maybe even wishes he.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hadn't said Absolutely today he has to wish that he
hadn't said it, because what I think happens is you
get yes, you get comfortable, And that interviewer was a
friendly interviewer and made made that point very clear throughout
the interview, so he felt safe. He wasn't thinking about
being careful, He wasn't thinking about watching what he said.
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He wasn't thinking about the headlines that could get pulled
from what he was saying. He got impassioned. He actually
spoke freely, and he spoke deeply and authentically. But those
aren't things that you should necessarily do in politics.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You make the point now about he got comfortable. They
have it right. It was two and a half hours in. Yeah,
he went on this stuff right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yes, at the NBA, the last forty five minutes were
like so much different than the first hour even you know,
there were.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Times I think, I don't know, unhinged isn't too much
of a stretch at times, because there were times he
actually sat up in his chair and leaned forward and
was very demonstrative and dropped f bomb after f bomb
after f bomb after F bomb, and very passionate and
defending his dad. And I thought part of that was
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I think humanized, or at least we could all relate
to somebody being upset or bothered that you're attacking a
family member. But they couldn't have been happy his family.
You know, I shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that.
I don't want to put any thoughts possibly in their
heads about this, but Democrats are being very much open
and outward in their criticism that they wish he hadn't
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done this.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Look, I think Hunter Biden has been escapegoat of sorts.
The Republicans have used his name and his problems and
his difficult life as fodder as talking points. He's been
investigated probably more than any other first son or daughter
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of any president, and it's not over. There are more
investigations now about some bag of cocaine that was found
outside of the situation room in twenty twenty three. He
says he's been clean and soiver since twenty nineteen, but
from the laptop everything, he's had his private life upended
in a million different ways. And I think what we
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saw was somebody, yes, defending his father, but also defending
himself in a way that he felt like he couldn't
have up until now. And he felt like he was
in a friendly space with a friendly interviewer. But when
you get comfortable like that, yes, everybody gets pissed and
angry and has a lot of frustration about things that
happened to them or happened to someone they loved. And
he was in defense mode. But sometimes when you go
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into defense mode, you say things you.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Shouldn't so defense mode and we'll get into we have
to get into is that a defense? A legitimate defense?
Because we all know, I mean, this will go down
in history. That debate last summer changed everything. It made
Kamala Harris the nominee, It changed the dynamics of the
Democratic Party. Some might even say it led to President
Trump getting a second term. All kinds of stuff was
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based on you and I watched, and I think the
country did sat and watched every moment of that debate,
and we all knew he was having a bad night.
He was having a terrible night.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I think, yeah, that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Here's the thing, now, if you're now told, if you'd
have been given that information, a day later. Two days later,
you know what, his doctor came out. He was on ambient.
He had been on ambient, and that is why he
was behaving in that way, or he shouldn't have been
out there. I take responsibility as the doctor. Anything. Would
it have changed anything, at least in your mind about
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it made you feel better or possibly worse.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It would have made me feel even more concerned, because
I do not believe this is It's just my personal opinion.
And I have had two experiences with ambient. I forgot
I did have another one, so that's kind of ironic.
I would never want the president of the United States
taking ambien ever for any reason, because anything can happen
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at any point during the day, and you have to
be able to wake up and be able to handle
things with incredible mental sharpness and awareness. And if you
are taking ambient one time multiple times, just knowing that
he was taking it as a sleep aid or for
whatever reason, I get he was jumping on planes. For
those of us who have had careers where you have
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to go around the world and be in different time zones,
I understand, but you cannot be that out of it
where you are completely mentally incapable of functioning because of
a drug you took to sleep. That concerns me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So should we not not blame but give credit to
and say, hey, he is under the advice of a
man medical professional and has the best medical care of
anybody in the United States. So if a doctor is
telling him he can take ambient, shouldn't we trust that?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No? Fine, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm with you there, and from the Mayo Clinic
to your point that you just said, and this is
going to blow you all's minds when you think about
the President of the United States going out on that
stage with ambient in his system or just through his system.
Mayo Clinic and I quote, wait for at least eight
hours after you take a dose before driving or doing
other activities that require full mental alertness. That is the
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warning that comes with ambient. Now, Hunter Biden didn't give
enough details about when he took it, how recently it
took it. He actually used the language and we'll give
the exact quote. He actually used the language of they
were giving him. Now, it's not like it didn't sound
like it was a one off, like this was a
regular thing that he had done. It we'll give you
all the full quote here in a second, but we
have to as a reminder, I didn't know this YouTuber.
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By the way, this web guy, I didn't either Andrew Callahan.
And if you all don't know, it's called Channel five
with Andrew Callahan. It's a web channel three hours. The
guy is as I mean, he was wearing tennis shoes.
It was chill jacket, it was as chill in the backyard, someway.
This was notty.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He's like a gen zer chill, and he is relatable
to a lot of younger folks who don't trust mainstream
media for all of the reasons. We can understand. I
get it, having been a part of it, we understand.
But so yeah, so many young kids are looking for
someone who is authentic, who is real, who is transparent,
who doesn't have an agenda, who isn't out to try
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and appease this person or that. So this is the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's as chill as it gets. So three hour interview two,
I guess, I guess, kind of eye popping headlines, but
it's what a lot of people are talking about, certainly
one with the ambient, and we'll get into George Clooney
here say wow. He apparently is not a fan of
Oceans eleven, twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He doesn't mind him as an actor, but that's where
it begins and ends. He kind of pointed out, like
entertain me, fine, but stay in your lane was kind
of his point. And I'm saying it so nicely. The
expletives look, and you know that I have a little
bit of a potty mouth sometimes, and I'm not someone
to judge another for using the F word. I think
it's actually one of the most cathartic words in the
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English dictionary. But I could not believe how much he
was cursing in that interview. That was also a headline
for me. I was kind of taken aback by that.
It was a lot. It wasn't just here and there.
It was like the effing New York Times and F
George Clooney and F Jake Tapper. And the only person
I feel like he had anything nice to say other
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than about his wife and about his father and his
mother and his family was Kamala Harris. He was very
kinda Harris. It was sincere. He I actually that was
a very I think all of it was genuine. Everything
he was saying was very genuine. But it was nice
to hear him actually say some kind words about someone.
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And Kamala Harris was the recipient.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
All right, so now we'll tell you what he precisely said. Now,
he did acknowledge, of course, like you couldn't help, but
that it was a horrible, horrible, horrible debate by his dad.
First things first, yes, we all acknowledged that was the case.
But then Robes he went into and we'll give you
the verbatim now of the explanation he gave for why
his dad had such a bad debate night.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
He said, I know exactly what happened in that debate.
He flew around the world. Basically, he's eighty one years old,
he's tired as shit. They give him ambient to be
able to sleep. He gets up on the stage and
he looks like he's a deer in headlights. And it
feeds into every story that anybody wants to tell.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
There's got to be more questions after that. I cannot
imagine how this cannot lead to another question, and another
question and another possible investigation. This is the point, is
it not? If you say that Joe Biden is dominut
in his mental capacity, if he's diminished, Does it matter
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if he is diminished because of a prescription drug or
because of his age.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He's telling they both matter, they both matter.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Telling us that his dad was not mentally there because
he was on drugs. He's explaining it that way. Is
that right? Is that fair? Does he know more than
we do? Is this the account? Because I don't have
any other better explanation.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Than that, And Babe, I would just say, look nothing
against this YouTuber. But this is when if he actually
had been sitting across from a journalist who had spent
years learning how to interview someone and learning how to
follow up. Follow ups are the most important part of
what I would say most journalists do. When you're interviewing somebody.
It's not even the initial question. It's when someone says
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something you follow up. There was no follow up to
the ambient question or I don't need He wasn't prepared
to hear that, nor were any of us. But still
that was a moment in which I would I have hoped.
I wanted so badly for him to say, excuse me,
wait what you're saying. The President of the United States
took ambient. I would want to know that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And look, we are not at all to Callahan criticized
this guy for how he went about it. I mean
he was sitting down with If Hunter Biden was being
interviewed by George Stephanopolis, maybe it never would have come
out that true, that the ambient. Maybe he got stuff
out of Oh of.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Course I don't. I could have never gotten I don't
think Hunter would have been as forthcoming if he didn't
feel comfortable with the interview. So you could absolutely say
that this his name is Andrew, I just make sure
he get his name right. He absolutely did an unbelievable
job to get these headlines, to get Hunter. I don't
want to say he's manipulating him, but to allow Hunter
to feel that comfortable, to be that transparent, to be
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that authentic, that is a skill in and of itself.
So absolutely, I just wish there could had been a
follow up.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Of course, and the guy give him credit for this
three hour plus interview. That's a lot. Hunter did ninety
five percent of the talking. It's not like the guy.
They were engaged in deep back and forth. The guy
asked a question or led him a certain way, and boom,
what happened. Happened. So I look, I just I don't
know how I hear that, And I think initially, oh, okay,
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that makes sense, and then my next thought is what right?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So if you look up, you looked up the mail
clinic what they said about ambient. But this is the truth.
So ambient can cause cognitive impairment, including memory loss, confusion,
and impaired coordination, both as a side effect and potentially
with long term use. These impairments can manifest as next
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day drowsiness, difficult concentrating, and sleep related activities like sleepwalking,
sleep driving. And they're saying it's generally considered safe, but
they even say in older adults it absolutely they believe
studies are now showing that it can lead to dementia
like symptoms and ultimately exacerbate dementia. So this, to me,
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would be something you would never want an eighty one
year old president taking under any circumstances.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know, he's on ambient and you put him out
on the stage in front of millions. What if millions
didn't see and instead he was on ambient and negotiating
a peace deal. What if he was in the situation
room on ambient? Is that okay.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Exactly if he's traveling around the world, presumably to meet
with world leaders to deal with very important world events
and issues, how is that okay? It's not, that's the answer.
Clearly it is not. Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Again, I don't We just don't know his doctor who
took the fifth recently, right.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Who also Congress somehow missed prostate cancer because he didn't
give him a test that you would think most physicians
would give a patient who is in that position.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
What did Biden say about that? He said, just I
don't think he criticized about it. He said, yeah, they
didn't give him one in the White House, and ye,
the guidelines are different.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That doctor is not exactly to me, considered gold standard
care at least when from the two things we're hearing
at least a mist cancer diagnosis that could have been
revealed in a blood test, and now we're hearing that
he's prescribing the President of the United States ambient? Have
you ever taken ambient?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Not once?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So, because I've seen people on it as scary as hell.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Correct, So I had gotten a prescription, yes, you know what.
I was traveling for work, so very similar to the
I know you've actually functioned extremely well, scarily without much
sleep at all, which is not advisable in any way,
shape or form. But yes, no, I was actually traveling
for work overseas, very much like the President wanted to
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make sure I slept on the plane, and I was told, hey,
this is years and years ago, you should take ambient.
I woke up eating it. This is so embarrassing. But
I was on the way to Russia, actually covering the Olympics,
and my producer said, what are you doing? And I
said what? I guess the flight attend and it had
passed out tea and tea bags and a hot water.
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I didn't remember any of that, but I was chewing
a tea bag in my mouth. I have no idea
how I did it, why I did it, and what
led up to it, but that just goes to show
you I was seemingly awake but had taken the ambient,
and that scared me so much I said never again.
Like and if anything happened on the plane, if I
needed to be alert or aware or be able to
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react to something happening, I wouldn't have been able to.
So that's my experience with it, and it just seems
incredibly frightening that the President of the United States would
be taking that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's on to your point, it is on the actual label.
When you have ambient, the language says, to your experienced robes,
the risk of next day psycho motor impairment, including impaired driving,
is increased if ambient is taken with less than a
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full night of sleep that's seven to eight hours. They
go on to describe abnormal thinking, behavioral changes, and complex
behaviors may include sleep, driving, and hallucinations. That's on that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I know on the warning, and I look like an idiot.
And obviously I didn't sleep seven to eight hours that flight,
and so I was acting bizarrely. I wouldn't think Biden
would have been able to sleep for a full eight
hours if he was traveling around the world. So yes,
it all makes sense, And that's really dang scary.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And to the point that they even with elderly patients,
they recommend half the dosage that everybody else takes. There's
a reason they don't give this to elderly folks right
as a reason these warnings are all on there. Look,
the doctor, you have to I got a trust that
the doctor taking care of the president knows better than
I do, and if he gave this man ambient, he
must have thought it was okay to do. So I
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am pretty sure Joe Biden was not just looking around
in the medicine cabinet and decide to start popping ambient
without a doctor's care. So I'm still and maybe I'm
the dumb one here to I have to defer, and
I got to hear from this doctor.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, it's very funny because I actually, you know, we've
got this AI thing, and so I actually googled should
the president ever take ambient to see what a I
would say. They don't think that he should. I mean,
I don't know what that plays or what weight that
plays in anyone else's life. But it just was. It
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just said these side effects would be particularly concerning for
a president who needs to be alert and make critical decisions.
That is what AI has said. Yes, ambient can cause
a range of side effects, including drowsiness, dizziness, and impaired
cognitive function. These side effects could be particularly concerning for
a president who needs to be alert and make critical conditions.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, that's it, doesn't know, I don't know what. I
have to trust the doctor, and we talked about this point. Look,
if somebody is incapacitated to the point that they can't
do their duties, not just perform on a debate stage,
A lot more needs to be done. If you're the
president of the United States, this is like twenty fifth
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Amendment question.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'd be very curious to hear a legal.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Expert I would say about what.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
The president on a prescription drug that has him so
incapacitated was the worst thing you've seen. I've seen people
on ambien do all. You cannot wake them up.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I can't remember, forgive me, but one of the one
of the family members in the Kennedy family got pulled
over for what they assumed or thought was DUI because
she was so impaired. And turns out she had accidentally
taken ambient instead of her other pill that she was
supposed to take in the morning, and she couldn't drive
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like they She didn't know where she was, she didn't
even know she was behind the wheel. You've heard these
types of stories where she didn't remember getting her keys,
she didn't remember getting in her car, she didn't remember driving.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
There is a legit thing they called the ambient defense
that people actually when they get DUI's will going to
court and use this as a defense. I was on
ambient and I didn't know what I was doing. It's
a legit defense that people use that the president is on.
It just seems far fetched. But until we get more answers. Okay,
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what can we possibly say now we're talking about ambien.
That was really one of the big headlines or the
big headline to say, yes, yes, but man, wait till
you hear what he said about George Clooney.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ,
where we are talking about the massive headlines that came
out of this Hunter Biden interview with a YouTuber. It
was a three hour interview and we were just discussing,
of course, the big ambient headline that Hunter said his
father had been taking Ambient leading up to that DESI
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asterisk debate that effectively cost him the presidency. But he
also had a lot of other things to say about
several players in the political world. But he specifically singled
out an actor who dipped his toes into the political
world by writing an op ed about Joe Biden and
saying that Joe Biden he loved him, but he needed
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to move over a step aside, and that did not
sit very well with Hunter. Biden and he disputed what
George Clooney talked about and what Jake Tapper wrote about
saying that Joe Biden didn't even recognize him at an event.
He took total issue with that.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It sounded a little crazy. I kin't of remember when
did that story come out? What part of the camp paign?
Was it part of the campaign.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, it definitely came out, it definitely, Yes, it came
out in Tapper's book for sure, And I don't know Clooney.
Did Clooney talk about that in his op ed? I
believe he definitely brought an inch and.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He wasn't the man I once knew in correct, just
a couple of years ago. Well, Hunter is taking issue
with this whole story about Biden did not recognize George Clooney.
He explained it. I guess we've been to a lot
of these things and we have seen it's not the
step and repeat, it's the rope line.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yes, the rope line where.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
The president is standing there, whatever famous person it might be,
but the president has somebody stationed over his shoulder. So
that when everybody that comes through to shake his hand
and take a picture, the person over the president's shoulder
just whispers in his ear, Hey, that's Dj Holmes, the
Namy Roebuck, so they'll know that is what was going
on at the time. So George Clooney and I think
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it was.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It was Julia robertson George Clinton.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And the story goes that Joe Biden didn't recognize and
he was talking to him for a second or something,
and then he didn't really acknowledge or seemed to know
who he was. Hunter claims that then the person over
his shoulder just said to him, it's George.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Clooney, Johnny, he said it was. He said his father
absolutely knew who it was, but the guy was doing
his job, and so yes, it might have been overheard
by George and Julia.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And when he said it in his ear, a Hunter
is explaining, he just kind of said, oh, yeah, George,
of course, like yes, George. That's how he explains a
story that blew up about his father's diminished mental capacity,
saying he doesn't recognize one of the most recognizable actors
in the world.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes, and clearly, Hunter feels like Clooney's op ed absolutely
was the maybe it was the final nail in the
coffin where now he's finally convinced. Here's George Clooney convincing
all the other Democrats that that his father needed to
go and they needed a new candidate. And I think
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that's where he is. Just I mean, his anger was
palpable and the language he used was shocking.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, how are we going to handle this?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Were we going to bleep? Are we going to just
say F and F because it's a lot of let's.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Just say F because it is so much. I feel
like it's a lot to take in you. I'll take it, okay.
I mean I do like the word, but I'm gonna
avoid saying it. But this is what It's funny. You
and I both were listening to it and took our notes.
We both wrote down the entire thing completely word for
word because it was that shocking. So here is what
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Yes Hunter Biden said about George Clooney. F him, F him,
F him and everybody around him. I don't have to
be effing nice. Number one. I agree with Quentin Tarantino
efing George Clooney is not an effing actor. He's a
efing I don't know what he is. He's a brand.
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God bless him. You know when someone says God bless him,
it's never good. It's an insult. Bless his little heart.
He probably treats his friends really well. I hear he
buys them things, and he's got a really great place
in Lake Como, and he's great friends with Barack Obama.
F you, what do you have to do with efing anything?
Why do I have to effing listen to you? What
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right do you have to step on a man who
has given fifth two years of his effing life to
the service of this country and decide that you, George Clooney,
are going to take out basically a full page ad
in the effing New York Times to undermine the President.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That was a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That was anger, that was deep seated anger.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It was anger, and it was love. It was love
for his dad. I mean, he's passionately taking up for
his dad, for a guy who he probably, at least
it sounded like in his interview, holds him partly responsible
for his dad and not being in the race for
his dad. Ending his political career and an actor in
the freaking New York Times is able to have that
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kind of influence. He sounded mad, and it sounded like
a guy who genuinely, passionately adores and loves his dad.
There was a lot right and a lot wrong there.
There was a lot of F bombs. And this was
the part I was talking about. He sat up and
leaned in in his chair to the interviewer to drop
all these F bombs. It.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, it definitely took me by surprise because I didn't
realize he went that deep and that hard against Clooney.
And he went on to say that that was the
undoing of the election, that the Republicans were united and
have been united, and that the Democrats with you know,
you've got the Progressives, you've got the he was, you know,
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he really doesn't like Nancy Pelosi, the old school. I
think they described the Democrats who have enough money that
they give millions to universities, those folks, and they're divided
and they can't You've got the Bernie Sanders and the aocs,
and you've got just it's all a mess. And he
felt so frustrated that they could not unite or would
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not unite, not only behind his dad, but also behind
Kamala Harris. And you know again that was the that
was the silver lining of the interview, is that you
did see the love that the Bidens, all of the
Bidens seemed to have with Kamala Harris and her family.
That was nice to see. I you know, we always
love to see even former presidents and their families hanging
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out and sitting together, whether they're throw together through funerals
or state events or national events. But all this discord
and all this ugliness is tough. That was the bright moment,
the bright spot for me that I saw that true
connection between those two families.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, he was calm, that was a different as a
tone change when he talked about Kamala Harris. That came
off so sincerely. I love Kamala Harris. I think she
would have made an incredible president. I know she was
an incredibly loyal vice president. She did everything she could
to support my dad and support me and my family personally. Yeah,
I mean I truly love her like family. Wow, that's
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came off as sincere and that sentence lasted ten seconds
in otherwise three hour just profanity fest. It was.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, but look, we will see, but we learned more.
We continue to learn more about what happened in that moment.
I'd forgotten about it and moved on, But now I'm
hearing this and we're re examining a moment in political
history in this country that is not I don't think
it's resolved.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, because we're still we're still using people and to
defend Hunter in some way. And I mentioned it at
the top, but he is used as a political football,
and no one gives a shit about what it does
to someone who has struggled with sobriety for his entire life,
who has struggled with a lot of loss in his life.
(27:24):
There's zero compassion, there's zero empathy, and everyone gets dehumanized.
We talk about this, and I mean in a sense
he did it, maybe even to Clooney in that sense too,
he was returning fire. But he has been dehumanized in
so many ways, and his anger is there. It's palpable,
and it certainly came out in this interview. But maybe
(27:45):
we can just walk away from it understanding that that
there's a lot of hurt. This isn't just politics. It
is personal. It isn't just business. It is personal. It's
very personal when you're living that life.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And he make the point we should consider this. He said,
we saw someone get old before our eyes. He grew
old right in front of us. We have to decide
what we need to do with these folks. Just because
you're getting old and you lose a step, does that
mean you no longer can contribute to society? You're still
all there mentally? How do we do that? When we
see a guy who loses a step where he looks old,
(28:19):
we automatically assume the mind isn't there. I talked about
Ambassador Young. You remember, Yeah, that was the funeral.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Uh oh, that was the Jimmy Carter funeral.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The funeral if as a young known as brother forever
he's ninety, what is it now?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Something as sharp as a tech. Mentally, you know it
as soon as you see him. But he had to
sit down during the when he made his presentation because
he's just old. He can't stand up there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But I don't think it's fair for Hunter Biden to
say that it was just physical, that he was making missteps,
that he had a hard time coming up and down
the plane because he was suffering from COVID, and that
all may be true, but we absolutely saw him forget
his train of thought. And that does happen. Your body ages,
so does your mind. The two go hand in hand
and it's okay. And so I think that we can
(29:04):
absolutely you know, we all want to have a place
and give back and be a part of things, regardless
of our age. But it doesn't mean that you should
be leading the country.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It also doesn't mean you should be led out to
pastor either doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
There's maybe we can find a medium.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
What's the thirty five right? You have to be thirty
five to be president?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Should there be an age.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Limit on the other end, yes, I do think so.
I am absolutely of the mind I would I would
absolutely vote, And if you had to ask me what
that age limit is, I would. I would probably put
it at eighty.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But then we'll end up having an argument about ageism.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Jimmy Carter argent.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
About these people have so much value they can add.
Wisdom's much older at a time as President Trump is
seems to be going at it just fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
He's pushing eighty right, right, So it knows what we
do there.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But Hunter Biden gave us a lot to work with,
and folks will be working with it for a while
in DC.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I assume yes, this is This is going to provide
days of conversations on all those amazing cable shows that
so many of us love and hate to watch at
the same time. So thank you for listening to us.
I'm made robot on behalf of my partner t J. Holmes.
Have a wonderful day, everybody,
Hey, the folks, it's July twenty second, and it turns
out Sleepy Joe might have been really sleepy. We're talking
like ambient sleepy and with that, welcome to Amy and
TJ and being kind of tongue and cheek playing off
of a name that was an insult Robes that the president,
President Trump gave Joe Sleepy Joe. But now we are
being told Joe might have been literally prescription drug led
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sleepy at the debate that changed everything last year.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, we heard from his son, Hunter Biden, who for
whatever reason chose to do a three hour interview unedited
with a YouTube host, and that in and of itself
is interesting. But I don't think any one of us
could probably do an interview for three hours and not
say something we didn't mean to say, or have something
(00:53):
that maybe we shouldn't have said. You get a little tired,
you get a little impassioned, you start feeling yourself, you
start saying things maybe you should and I feel like
I do I think Look, I feel like the first
hour was kind of boring, and then he started getting
revved up. And then yes, there were a couple headlines,
but obviously the ambient headline was the biggest one of
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them all.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You think to say that, and maybe even wishes he.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Hadn't said Absolutely today he has to wish that he
hadn't said it, because what I think happens is you
get yes, you get comfortable, And that interviewer was a
friendly interviewer and made made that point very clear throughout
the interview, so he felt safe. He wasn't thinking about
being careful, He wasn't thinking about watching what he said.
(01:41):
He wasn't thinking about the headlines that could get pulled
from what he was saying. He got impassioned. He actually
spoke freely, and he spoke deeply and authentically. But those
aren't things that you should necessarily do in politics.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You make the point now about he got comfortable. They
have it right. It was two and a half hours in. Yeah,
he went on this stuff right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yes, at the NBA, the last forty five minutes were
like so much different than the first hour even you know,
there were.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Times I think, I don't know, unhinged isn't too much
of a stretch at times, because there were times he
actually sat up in his chair and leaned forward and
was very demonstrative and dropped f bomb after f bomb
after f bomb after F bomb, and very passionate and
defending his dad. And I thought part of that was
(02:30):
I think humanized, or at least we could all relate
to somebody being upset or bothered that you're attacking a
family member. But they couldn't have been happy his family.
You know, I shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that.
I don't want to put any thoughts possibly in their
heads about this, but Democrats are being very much open
and outward in their criticism that they wish he hadn't
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done this.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Look, I think Hunter Biden has been escapegoat of sorts.
The Republicans have used his name and his problems and
his difficult life as fodder as talking points. He's been
investigated probably more than any other first son or daughter
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of any president, and it's not over. There are more
investigations now about some bag of cocaine that was found
outside of the situation room in twenty twenty three. He
says he's been clean and soiver since twenty nineteen, but
from the laptop everything, he's had his private life upended
in a million different ways. And I think what we
(03:34):
saw was somebody, yes, defending his father, but also defending
himself in a way that he felt like he couldn't
have up until now. And he felt like he was
in a friendly space with a friendly interviewer. But when
you get comfortable like that, yes, everybody gets pissed and
angry and has a lot of frustration about things that
happened to them or happened to someone they loved. And
he was in defense mode. But sometimes when you go
(03:56):
into defense mode, you say things you.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Shouldn't so defense mode and we'll get into we have
to get into is that a defense? A legitimate defense?
Because we all know, I mean, this will go down
in history. That debate last summer changed everything. It made
Kamala Harris the nominee, It changed the dynamics of the
Democratic Party. Some might even say it led to President
Trump getting a second term. All kinds of stuff was
(04:19):
based on you and I watched, and I think the
country did sat and watched every moment of that debate,
and we all knew he was having a bad night.
He was having a terrible night.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I think, yeah, that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Here's the thing, now, if you're now told, if you'd
have been given that information, a day later. Two days later,
you know what, his doctor came out. He was on ambient.
He had been on ambient, and that is why he
was behaving in that way, or he shouldn't have been
out there. I take responsibility as the doctor. Anything. Would
it have changed anything, at least in your mind about
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it made you feel better or possibly worse.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It would have made me feel even more concerned, because
I do not believe this is It's just my personal opinion.
And I have had two experiences with ambient. I forgot
I did have another one, so that's kind of ironic.
I would never want the president of the United States
taking ambien ever for any reason, because anything can happen
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at any point during the day, and you have to
be able to wake up and be able to handle
things with incredible mental sharpness and awareness. And if you
are taking ambient one time multiple times, just knowing that
he was taking it as a sleep aid or for
whatever reason, I get he was jumping on planes. For
those of us who have had careers where you have
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to go around the world and be in different time zones,
I understand, but you cannot be that out of it
where you are completely mentally incapable of functioning because of
a drug you took to sleep. That concerns me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So should we not not blame but give credit to
and say, hey, he is under the advice of a
man medical professional and has the best medical care of
anybody in the United States. So if a doctor is
telling him he can take ambient, shouldn't we trust that?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No? Fine, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I'm with you there, and from the Mayo Clinic
to your point that you just said, and this is
going to blow you all's minds when you think about
the President of the United States going out on that
stage with ambient in his system or just through his system.
Mayo Clinic and I quote, wait for at least eight
hours after you take a dose before driving or doing
other activities that require full mental alertness. That is the
(06:36):
warning that comes with ambient. Now, Hunter Biden didn't give
enough details about when he took it, how recently it
took it. He actually used the language and we'll give
the exact quote. He actually used the language of they
were giving him. Now, it's not like it didn't sound
like it was a one off, like this was a
regular thing that he had done. It we'll give you
all the full quote here in a second, but we
have to as a reminder, I didn't know this YouTuber.
(06:56):
By the way, this web guy, I didn't either Andrew Callahan.
And if you all don't know, it's called Channel five
with Andrew Callahan. It's a web channel three hours. The
guy is as I mean, he was wearing tennis shoes.
It was chill jacket, it was as chill in the backyard, someway.
This was notty.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He's like a gen zer chill, and he is relatable
to a lot of younger folks who don't trust mainstream
media for all of the reasons. We can understand. I
get it, having been a part of it, we understand.
But so yeah, so many young kids are looking for
someone who is authentic, who is real, who is transparent,
who doesn't have an agenda, who isn't out to try
(07:36):
and appease this person or that. So this is the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
He's as chill as it gets. So three hour interview two,
I guess, I guess, kind of eye popping headlines, but
it's what a lot of people are talking about, certainly
one with the ambient, and we'll get into George Clooney
here say wow. He apparently is not a fan of
Oceans eleven, twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He doesn't mind him as an actor, but that's where
it begins and ends. He kind of pointed out, like
entertain me, fine, but stay in your lane was kind
of his point. And I'm saying it so nicely. The
expletives look, and you know that I have a little
bit of a potty mouth sometimes, and I'm not someone
to judge another for using the F word. I think
it's actually one of the most cathartic words in the
(08:17):
English dictionary. But I could not believe how much he
was cursing in that interview. That was also a headline
for me. I was kind of taken aback by that.
It was a lot. It wasn't just here and there.
It was like the effing New York Times and F
George Clooney and F Jake Tapper. And the only person
I feel like he had anything nice to say other
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than about his wife and about his father and his
mother and his family was Kamala Harris. He was very
kinda Harris. It was sincere. He I actually that was
a very I think all of it was genuine. Everything
he was saying was very genuine. But it was nice
to hear him actually say some kind words about someone.
(09:01):
And Kamala Harris was the recipient.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
All right, so now we'll tell you what he precisely said. Now,
he did acknowledge, of course, like you couldn't help, but
that it was a horrible, horrible, horrible debate by his dad.
First things first, yes, we all acknowledged that was the case.
But then Robes he went into and we'll give you
the verbatim now of the explanation he gave for why
his dad had such a bad debate night.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
He said, I know exactly what happened in that debate.
He flew around the world. Basically, he's eighty one years old,
he's tired as shit. They give him ambient to be
able to sleep. He gets up on the stage and
he looks like he's a deer in headlights. And it
feeds into every story that anybody wants to tell.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
There's got to be more questions after that. I cannot
imagine how this cannot lead to another question, and another
question and another possible investigation. This is the point, is
it not? If you say that Joe Biden is dominut
in his mental capacity, if he's diminished, Does it matter
(10:05):
if he is diminished because of a prescription drug or
because of his age.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He's telling they both matter, they both matter.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Telling us that his dad was not mentally there because
he was on drugs. He's explaining it that way. Is
that right? Is that fair? Does he know more than
we do? Is this the account? Because I don't have
any other better explanation.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Than that, And Babe, I would just say, look nothing
against this YouTuber. But this is when if he actually
had been sitting across from a journalist who had spent
years learning how to interview someone and learning how to
follow up. Follow ups are the most important part of
what I would say most journalists do. When you're interviewing somebody.
It's not even the initial question. It's when someone says
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something you follow up. There was no follow up to
the ambient question or I don't need He wasn't prepared
to hear that, nor were any of us. But still
that was a moment in which I would I have hoped.
I wanted so badly for him to say, excuse me,
wait what you're saying. The President of the United States
took ambient. I would want to know that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And look, we are not at all to Callahan criticized
this guy for how he went about it. I mean
he was sitting down with If Hunter Biden was being
interviewed by George Stephanopolis, maybe it never would have come
out that true, that the ambient. Maybe he got stuff
out of Oh of.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Course I don't. I could have never gotten I don't
think Hunter would have been as forthcoming if he didn't
feel comfortable with the interview. So you could absolutely say
that this his name is Andrew, I just make sure
he get his name right. He absolutely did an unbelievable
job to get these headlines, to get Hunter. I don't
want to say he's manipulating him, but to allow Hunter
to feel that comfortable, to be that transparent, to be
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that authentic, that is a skill in and of itself.
So absolutely, I just wish there could had been a
follow up.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Of course, and the guy give him credit for this
three hour plus interview. That's a lot. Hunter did ninety
five percent of the talking. It's not like the guy.
They were engaged in deep back and forth. The guy
asked a question or led him a certain way, and boom,
what happened. Happened. So I look, I just I don't
know how I hear that, And I think initially, oh, okay,
(12:14):
that makes sense, and then my next thought is what right?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So if you look up, you looked up the mail
clinic what they said about ambient. But this is the truth.
So ambient can cause cognitive impairment, including memory loss, confusion,
and impaired coordination, both as a side effect and potentially
with long term use. These impairments can manifest as next
(12:38):
day drowsiness, difficult concentrating, and sleep related activities like sleepwalking,
sleep driving. And they're saying it's generally considered safe, but
they even say in older adults it absolutely they believe
studies are now showing that it can lead to dementia
like symptoms and ultimately exacerbate dementia. So this, to me,
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would be something you would never want an eighty one
year old president taking under any circumstances.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know, he's on ambient and you put him out
on the stage in front of millions. What if millions
didn't see and instead he was on ambient and negotiating
a peace deal. What if he was in the situation
room on ambient? Is that okay.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Exactly if he's traveling around the world, presumably to meet
with world leaders to deal with very important world events
and issues, how is that okay? It's not, that's the answer.
Clearly it is not. Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Again, I don't We just don't know his doctor who
took the fifth recently, right.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Who also Congress somehow missed prostate cancer because he didn't
give him a test that you would think most physicians
would give a patient who is in that position.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
What did Biden say about that? He said, just I
don't think he criticized about it. He said, yeah, they
didn't give him one in the White House, and ye,
the guidelines are different.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That doctor is not exactly to me, considered gold standard
care at least when from the two things we're hearing
at least a mist cancer diagnosis that could have been
revealed in a blood test, and now we're hearing that
he's prescribing the President of the United States ambient? Have
you ever taken ambient?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Not once?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So, because I've seen people on it as scary as hell.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Correct, So I had gotten a prescription, yes, you know what.
I was traveling for work, so very similar to the
I know you've actually functioned extremely well, scarily without much
sleep at all, which is not advisable in any way,
shape or form. But yes, no, I was actually traveling
for work overseas, very much like the President wanted to
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make sure I slept on the plane, and I was told, hey,
this is years and years ago, you should take ambient.
I woke up eating it. This is so embarrassing. But
I was on the way to Russia, actually covering the Olympics,
and my producer said, what are you doing? And I
said what? I guess the flight attend and it had
passed out tea and tea bags and a hot water.
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I didn't remember any of that, but I was chewing
a tea bag in my mouth. I have no idea
how I did it, why I did it, and what
led up to it, but that just goes to show
you I was seemingly awake but had taken the ambient,
and that scared me so much I said never again.
Like and if anything happened on the plane, if I
needed to be alert or aware or be able to
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react to something happening, I wouldn't have been able to.
So that's my experience with it, and it just seems
incredibly frightening that the President of the United States would
be taking that.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's on to your point, it is on the actual label.
When you have ambient, the language says, to your experienced robes,
the risk of next day psycho motor impairment, including impaired driving,
is increased if ambient is taken with less than a
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full night of sleep that's seven to eight hours. They
go on to describe abnormal thinking, behavioral changes, and complex
behaviors may include sleep, driving, and hallucinations. That's on that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I know on the warning, and I look like an idiot.
And obviously I didn't sleep seven to eight hours that flight,
and so I was acting bizarrely. I wouldn't think Biden
would have been able to sleep for a full eight
hours if he was traveling around the world. So yes,
it all makes sense, And that's really dang scary.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And to the point that they even with elderly patients,
they recommend half the dosage that everybody else takes. There's
a reason they don't give this to elderly folks right
as a reason these warnings are all on there. Look,
the doctor, you have to I got a trust that
the doctor taking care of the president knows better than
I do, and if he gave this man ambient, he
must have thought it was okay to do. So I
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am pretty sure Joe Biden was not just looking around
in the medicine cabinet and decide to start popping ambient
without a doctor's care. So I'm still and maybe I'm
the dumb one here to I have to defer, and
I got to hear from this doctor.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, it's very funny because I actually, you know, we've
got this AI thing, and so I actually googled should
the president ever take ambient to see what a I
would say. They don't think that he should. I mean,
I don't know what that plays or what weight that
plays in anyone else's life. But it just was. It
(17:32):
just said these side effects would be particularly concerning for
a president who needs to be alert and make critical decisions.
That is what AI has said. Yes, ambient can cause
a range of side effects, including drowsiness, dizziness, and impaired
cognitive function. These side effects could be particularly concerning for
a president who needs to be alert and make critical conditions.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, that's it, doesn't know, I don't know what. I
have to trust the doctor, and we talked about this point. Look,
if somebody is incapacitated to the point that they can't
do their duties, not just perform on a debate stage,
A lot more needs to be done. If you're the
president of the United States, this is like twenty fifth
(18:12):
Amendment question.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'd be very curious to hear a legal.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Expert I would say about what.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
The president on a prescription drug that has him so
incapacitated was the worst thing you've seen. I've seen people
on ambien do all. You cannot wake them up.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I can't remember, forgive me, but one of the one
of the family members in the Kennedy family got pulled
over for what they assumed or thought was DUI because
she was so impaired. And turns out she had accidentally
taken ambient instead of her other pill that she was
supposed to take in the morning, and she couldn't drive
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like they She didn't know where she was, she didn't
even know she was behind the wheel. You've heard these
types of stories where she didn't remember getting her keys,
she didn't remember getting in her car, she didn't remember driving.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
There is a legit thing they called the ambient defense
that people actually when they get DUI's will going to
court and use this as a defense. I was on
ambient and I didn't know what I was doing. It's
a legit defense that people use that the president is on.
It just seems far fetched. But until we get more answers. Okay,
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what can we possibly say now we're talking about ambien.
That was really one of the big headlines or the
big headline to say, yes, yes, but man, wait till
you hear what he said about George Clooney.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ,
where we are talking about the massive headlines that came
out of this Hunter Biden interview with a YouTuber. It
was a three hour interview and we were just discussing,
of course, the big ambient headline that Hunter said his
father had been taking Ambient leading up to that DESI
(20:00):
asterisk debate that effectively cost him the presidency. But he
also had a lot of other things to say about
several players in the political world. But he specifically singled
out an actor who dipped his toes into the political
world by writing an op ed about Joe Biden and
saying that Joe Biden he loved him, but he needed
(20:20):
to move over a step aside, and that did not
sit very well with Hunter. Biden and he disputed what
George Clooney talked about and what Jake Tapper wrote about
saying that Joe Biden didn't even recognize him at an event.
He took total issue with that.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
It sounded a little crazy. I kin't of remember when
did that story come out? What part of the camp paign?
Was it part of the campaign.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, it definitely came out, it definitely, Yes, it came
out in Tapper's book for sure, And I don't know Clooney.
Did Clooney talk about that in his op ed? I
believe he definitely brought an inch and.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He wasn't the man I once knew in correct, just
a couple of years ago. Well, Hunter is taking issue
with this whole story about Biden did not recognize George Clooney.
He explained it. I guess we've been to a lot
of these things and we have seen it's not the
step and repeat, it's the rope line.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yes, the rope line where.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
The president is standing there, whatever famous person it might be,
but the president has somebody stationed over his shoulder. So
that when everybody that comes through to shake his hand
and take a picture, the person over the president's shoulder
just whispers in his ear, Hey, that's Dj Holmes, the
Namy Roebuck, so they'll know that is what was going
on at the time. So George Clooney and I think
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it was.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It was Julia robertson George Clinton.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And the story goes that Joe Biden didn't recognize and
he was talking to him for a second or something,
and then he didn't really acknowledge or seemed to know
who he was. Hunter claims that then the person over
his shoulder just said to him, it's George.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Clooney, Johnny, he said it was. He said his father
absolutely knew who it was, but the guy was doing
his job, and so yes, it might have been overheard
by George and Julia.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And when he said it in his ear, a Hunter
is explaining, he just kind of said, oh, yeah, George,
of course, like yes, George. That's how he explains a
story that blew up about his father's diminished mental capacity,
saying he doesn't recognize one of the most recognizable actors
in the world.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes, and clearly, Hunter feels like Clooney's op ed absolutely
was the maybe it was the final nail in the
coffin where now he's finally convinced. Here's George Clooney convincing
all the other Democrats that that his father needed to
go and they needed a new candidate. And I think
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that's where he is. Just I mean, his anger was
palpable and the language he used was shocking.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, how are we going to handle this?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Were we going to bleep? Are we going to just
say F and F because it's a lot of let's.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Just say F because it is so much. I feel
like it's a lot to take in you. I'll take it, okay.
I mean I do like the word, but I'm gonna
avoid saying it. But this is what It's funny. You
and I both were listening to it and took our notes.
We both wrote down the entire thing completely word for
word because it was that shocking. So here is what
(23:15):
Yes Hunter Biden said about George Clooney. F him, F him,
F him and everybody around him. I don't have to
be effing nice. Number one. I agree with Quentin Tarantino
efing George Clooney is not an effing actor. He's a
efing I don't know what he is. He's a brand.
(23:36):
God bless him. You know when someone says God bless him,
it's never good. It's an insult. Bless his little heart.
He probably treats his friends really well. I hear he
buys them things, and he's got a really great place
in Lake Como, and he's great friends with Barack Obama.
F you, what do you have to do with efing anything?
Why do I have to effing listen to you? What
(23:57):
right do you have to step on a man who
has given fifth two years of his effing life to
the service of this country and decide that you, George Clooney,
are going to take out basically a full page ad
in the effing New York Times to undermine the President.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That was a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That was anger, that was deep seated anger.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It was anger, and it was love. It was love
for his dad. I mean, he's passionately taking up for
his dad, for a guy who he probably, at least
it sounded like in his interview, holds him partly responsible
for his dad and not being in the race for
his dad. Ending his political career and an actor in
the freaking New York Times is able to have that
(24:39):
kind of influence. He sounded mad, and it sounded like
a guy who genuinely, passionately adores and loves his dad.
There was a lot right and a lot wrong there.
There was a lot of F bombs. And this was
the part I was talking about. He sat up and
leaned in in his chair to the interviewer to drop
all these F bombs. It.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, it definitely took me by surprise because I didn't
realize he went that deep and that hard against Clooney.
And he went on to say that that was the
undoing of the election, that the Republicans were united and
have been united, and that the Democrats with you know,
you've got the Progressives, you've got the he was, you know,
(25:16):
he really doesn't like Nancy Pelosi, the old school. I
think they described the Democrats who have enough money that
they give millions to universities, those folks, and they're divided
and they can't You've got the Bernie Sanders and the aocs,
and you've got just it's all a mess. And he
felt so frustrated that they could not unite or would
(25:37):
not unite, not only behind his dad, but also behind
Kamala Harris. And you know again that was the that
was the silver lining of the interview, is that you
did see the love that the Bidens, all of the
Bidens seemed to have with Kamala Harris and her family.
That was nice to see. I you know, we always
love to see even former presidents and their families hanging
(25:57):
out and sitting together, whether they're throw together through funerals
or state events or national events. But all this discord
and all this ugliness is tough. That was the bright moment,
the bright spot for me that I saw that true
connection between those two families.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, he was calm, that was a different as a
tone change when he talked about Kamala Harris. That came
off so sincerely. I love Kamala Harris. I think she
would have made an incredible president. I know she was
an incredibly loyal vice president. She did everything she could
to support my dad and support me and my family personally. Yeah,
I mean I truly love her like family. Wow, that's
(26:36):
came off as sincere and that sentence lasted ten seconds
in otherwise three hour just profanity fest. It was.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It was tough.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, but look, we will see, but we learned more.
We continue to learn more about what happened in that moment.
I'd forgotten about it and moved on, But now I'm
hearing this and we're re examining a moment in political
history in this country that is not I don't think
it's resolved.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, because we're still we're still using people and to
defend Hunter in some way. And I mentioned it at
the top, but he is used as a political football,
and no one gives a shit about what it does
to someone who has struggled with sobriety for his entire life,
who has struggled with a lot of loss in his life.
(27:24):
There's zero compassion, there's zero empathy, and everyone gets dehumanized.
We talk about this, and I mean in a sense
he did it, maybe even to Clooney in that sense too,
he was returning fire. But he has been dehumanized in
so many ways, and his anger is there. It's palpable,
and it certainly came out in this interview. But maybe
(27:45):
we can just walk away from it understanding that that
there's a lot of hurt. This isn't just politics. It
is personal. It isn't just business. It is personal. It's
very personal when you're living that life.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And he make the point we should consider this. He said,
we saw someone get old before our eyes. He grew
old right in front of us. We have to decide
what we need to do with these folks. Just because
you're getting old and you lose a step, does that
mean you no longer can contribute to society? You're still
all there mentally? How do we do that? When we
see a guy who loses a step where he looks old,
(28:19):
we automatically assume the mind isn't there. I talked about
Ambassador Young. You remember, Yeah, that was the funeral.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Uh oh, that was the Jimmy Carter funeral.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The funeral if as a young known as brother forever
he's ninety, what is it now?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Something as sharp as a tech. Mentally, you know it
as soon as you see him. But he had to
sit down during the when he made his presentation because
he's just old. He can't stand up there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But I don't think it's fair for Hunter Biden to
say that it was just physical, that he was making missteps,
that he had a hard time coming up and down
the plane because he was suffering from COVID, and that
all may be true, but we absolutely saw him forget
his train of thought. And that does happen. Your body ages,
so does your mind. The two go hand in hand
and it's okay. And so I think that we can
(29:04):
absolutely you know, we all want to have a place
and give back and be a part of things, regardless
of our age. But it doesn't mean that you should
be leading the country.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It also doesn't mean you should be led out to
pastor either doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
There's maybe we can find a medium.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
What's the thirty five right? You have to be thirty
five to be president?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Should there be an age.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Limit on the other end, yes, I do think so.
I am absolutely of the mind I would I would
absolutely vote, And if you had to ask me what
that age limit is, I would. I would probably put
it at eighty.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But then we'll end up having an argument about ageism.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Jimmy Carter argent.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
About these people have so much value they can add.
Wisdom's much older at a time as President Trump is
seems to be going at it just fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
He's pushing eighty right, right, So it knows what we
do there.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But Hunter Biden gave us a lot to work with,
and folks will be working with it for a while
in DC.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I assume yes, this is This is going to provide
days of conversations on all those amazing cable shows that
so many of us love and hate to watch at
the same time. So thank you for listening to us.
I'm made robot on behalf of my partner t J. Holmes.
Have a wonderful day, everybody,
Hosts And Creators
Amy Robach
T.J. Holmes
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