We went through the transcript so you don’t have to. CBS News posted the entire, unedited transcript of President Trump’s first interview with “60 Minutes” since that $16 million dollar settlement. Norah O’Donnell deftly navigates some of the awkwardness as she got in everything from China to the Shutdown, to a possible war with Venezuela, immigration, nuclear testing, and political retribution. Oh, and he got in some shots against Biden, Obama, and Schumer.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there're folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Monday, November third, and President Trump sat down
for ninety minutes with sixty minutes, but you only got
to see twenty eight minutes of it on TV. So
Robot and I decided to read through the whole damn
ninety minute transcript, and boy, there's a lot you missed
(00:24):
him with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
What stands you know? I guess a lot jumps out,
but nothing necessarily stands out as new or different, and
quite frankly that newsworthy. So much of it was stuff
we were accustomed to hearing from President Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, I think if this had been an interview with
any other president, you would call it jaw dropping. But
because it's President Trump, it's bar for the course to
use a golf reference there, because that is he is
who he is, unapologetically so, and he is that very person.
Throughout this hour and a half interview.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He called the Democratic leader in the Senate a Kamakazi.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Badenye a man on a suicide mission. I didn't bad
nine neither did.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
There's a whole bunch of stuff in there and calling
Democrats the most vicious humans on the planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I didn't even flinch.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Neither did I, because that sounds about right something from him.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But was there anything? And again, folks, we read through
the entire ninety minute transcript, was there anything that jumped
out that you got?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
WHOA, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean no, And look, you and I were. You
were a little bit ahead of me, but it was
your idea to do it. So I was like, all right,
let's read through the whole thing. And it was funny.
You would laugh or chuckle at something, and then I'd
know in about a minute I'd be doing the same thing.
And it pretty much happened that way. So yes, it
it's not that anything that they were talking about was
funny or is funny.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But all newsworthy.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The way he reacts to things, the way he phrases things,
what he says I apologetically, so is something so different
than most of us are used to hearing from any
other person, forget even politician. So yes, it almost becomes
comical because he is playing the role.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Of him, and we say that these are newsworthy topics.
There was only one light moment that I read the
whole thing having to do with the bathroom. We'll get
into that in a second. And also the interview asking
about DC ner o'donna was the interviewer. We're going to
talk about her in a second. But that were only
two kind of cute and like moments, if you will.
But in ninety minutes, this was not that. So the
background will at least give you the background here and
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a lot of you all know it sixty This is
why I was a little awkward just to hear that
he was on sixty minutes. That's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, yeah, it's a news program that just paid him
ten million dollars sixteen sixteen million dollars after he sued
them for ten billion dollars. Yes, thank you. I appreciate
that correction because it's quite a hefty one sixteen million dollars.
Imagine that you sue someone for that amount of money.
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You get a huge, huge, life changing number for most people.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And now you're gonna sit down and be interviewed by a.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Shout it up, so yees, sixty minutes. If you remember,
this was last year. The reason this whole interview became
what it even became as an event last night. It
was because last year, sixteen minutes extended offered to interview
both candidates pre election, Trump and Harris Trump. Trump did
not accept, Harris did so. Trump didn't like how CBS
edited Kamala Harris his interview, claiming that they edited in
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such a way to make her look better, so he
sued ten billion. Everybody thought this was frivolous, and yes,
you go to court, CBS, you're going to win this thing.
But they didn't. Paramount, the parent company settled for sixteen million.
That roboc just said. And then after that, not too long, Paramount,
the owner of CBS, was sold to sun Dance. That
went through. People immediately thought that Paramount settled as a
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way to clear the way for the sale to Skydance.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was almost intermediate, I mean immediate, not intermediate, immediate
to the point where you couldn't even pretend the two
weren't connected the time.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He could have been a coincidence. These things happen.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The sale goes through, Yes, the FCC had to approve
the sale. Yes, and that approval came within days. I
believe of this settlement happening because that was time in between.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, so we're all caught ups. And so that's the
backdrop we have where there's big sixty minutes interview with
the president being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell, who robes you
and I. We saw the clips from it, but reading it,
Nora o'dnna deserves credit for not just picking the right
topics and the questions, for her demeanor, for how she
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went about this interview.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
She deserves so much credit.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We've known her for a very long time, worked with
her back at NBC News MSNBC so decades back. I
always knew she was a solid reporter correspondent. Of course,
she was the anchor of CBS Evening News as well
for six seven years.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Until last yes, till she stepped down at the end
of last year.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
End of last year. So this is someone who is
and has a tremendous journalism background and resume, and so yes,
I've known, we've known that she's good. But man, she
really did a good job. Can you imagine I was
thinking about this. It would be a pressure situation. I've
never sat down with the sitting president. But knowing all
of that work that goes into that, all the prep
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that goes into that making sure you are well versed
on every major topic on this planet, and you have
to be willing to call somebody on their bs. You
have to be willing to know things enough to follow
up correctly, and to hold your own She did all
of the above without being combative, without taking it personally,
without trying to get him.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think folks should take notes from her interview because
the trick roves to your point. A lot of great
capable journalists can come up with the right questions. There's
a trick to interviewing him that I think most haven't mastered,
and she, I think did one of the best jobs
I've seen, maybe the best. And that to your point
about when he says something and you know it might
be a lie, you know you want to challenge him
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on the facts or whatever else. She stayed on topic.
She didn't allow him to take her off topic. She
let him ramble for a second at times when he
got off what she asked and said, but I really
wanted to ask about this, but I want to get
back to this, you know what, We're going to talk
about that in a second. And she was calm, and
she never you made this point. I don't want to
turn this into a man woman thing. But if you
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apply that, we have okay away from man and woman.
We talked about this sometimes we've seen interviewers who were
it seems so personal.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
They take it personally. They get personally offended if you
challenge them the journalist, or question them the journalist, or
get a little dig in, which some politicians like to do,
and then journalists take the bait. They get emotional and
they fire back, and then they lose all credibility in
that moment. Yes, she never did.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That, so first of all, first for we have to
give her credit.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I love you know what I loved one I hate
to say tactic, but something she did which I thought
was so impressive. Every time he went off topic, which
was often and at great length, she would say, mister President,
I understand how valuable your time is, and so I
want to make sure we get all of this in.
She kept reminding him how valuable on how important his
time was, and she was so grateful for it, and
then would kind of get him refocused and repurpose, knowing, Hey,
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for us to get through all of this, we're going
to have to actually talk about the issue at hand.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
She was so good at showing respect for the office,
even if you think everything out of his mouth is BS.
She showed her respect for the office that a lot
of people don't think you should show him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
She still found a way to balance that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Look, that is so fricking hard to do, and I
got to give her it is so much.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Credible it is normally.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But imagine the added pressure now of knowing that this
is now a network that is under sieg so to speak.
People are leaving in protest, they're being fired, They're claiming
that President Trump owns the network or is absolutely having
an impact on the editorial direction it's taking. So imagine
all that scrutiny from your own colleagues, from the world
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watching from the Trump administration. I just thought she did
such a good job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Look, and I know folks will listen to look if
people are not if people are pro Trump, they're going
to criticize anything. For the most part, sometimes not everybody,
but online. You know what that's going to turn into.
It's just hard to look at this woman in this
job she did. Who was the Terry moranuin You remember
how that one when he got credit at times, but
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also the president took him on and challenged him. At time,
he did a fairly of not jumping in. But we've
seen some stuff recently, including on Sunday morning shows. Come on, y'all, why.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, And it's just so obvious they're letting certain politicians
get under their skin and then it makes the entire
industry look bad.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, So for the next few minutes, we're not going
to keep you all here too long, but we're going
to go through some of the biggest topics in the
most relevant exchanges. We're going to talk about the stock
market here. First of all, we have the transcript in
front of us, and we're actually gonna read the exact
back and forth between the two and just let you
hear some of this stuff. First, on the stock market,
he was asked by Nora o'donald, when the stock market
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is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody, not everybody invested
in the stock market. He jumps in and said it does. Oh,
it does, she says, but there have been grocery prices
are up. He then jumps in, Look four one k's.
People have four a one k's. Their four to one
k's are double what they were a year ago. Nor
Donald jumps in but for people that don't have for
a one k's who are not invested in the stock market,
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he interrupts, sure, but but she tries to finish her question.
They've seen their grocery prices up, inflation is up, and
he tells her, no, you're wrong. They went up under Biden.
Right now they're going down, other than beef, which we're
working on, which we can solve very quickly. So the beef,
the ranchers have really been taking a drubbing over the
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thirty year period because of what I've done, the ranchers
have done well. Now this goes back at least this
jumped out. The stock market is doing gang buses, it is,
and people are in long frickin' lines trying to get
food right now.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's a tale of two countries.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
She was trying to make that point to him, and
he's like, Nope, you're wrong. Prices are not going up,
which the data tells us otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Correct, And then she went to go move on with
his involvement with China and certainly talked about his relationship
with President She But she went on to ask him
several questions, including about Taiwan, which is a touchy subject.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Weok.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Taiwan and Venezuela were two issues about the possibility of
military action involving those two places. Now nor Oldwana asked
about Taiwan first set on this potential flashpoint with China.
Probably the potential flash point with China in the coming
years is over the issue of Taiwan. The Chinese military
is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, it's airspace, it's cyberspace.
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I know you've said, President, she wouldn't dare movement military
on Taiwan while you're in office, But what if he does?
Would you order US forces to defend Taiwan? The President answered,
you'll find out if it happens, and he understands. The
answer to that, he understands, President g what will happen?
He and I have spoken about it, but it was
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never even brought up during his last meeting with President Chu.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I was crazy to hear that it didn't come up. Yeah,
that was really hard to imagine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, Okay, Then nor o'donald finishers, do you mind if
I ask, when you say he understands, why not communicate
that publicly to the rest of us? And the President says,
I don't want to give away. I can't give away
my secrets.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And then you mentioned Venezuela. But this was fascinating to me,
Nora says, I want to stay on the issue of
foreign policy. Let's turn to our hemisphere. There had been
at least eight boats in the Caribbean destroyed by the
US military, and President Trump says, fortunately, Nora says, and
now the USS Gerald Ford, that is the world's largest
aircraft carrier is on the way to the Caribbean. Are
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we going to war against Venezuela? Whoo? President Trump's answer,
I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been
treating us very badly, not only on drugs. They've dumped
hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we
didn't want. People from prisons. They emptied their prisons into
our country. They also, if you take a look, they
emptied their mental institutions and they're insane asylums into the
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United States of America. Because Joe Biden was the worst
president in the history of the country. Norah says, but
why is our aircraft carrier? Trump says, Just let me finish.
She finishes going down there. Trump then says, Joe Biden
was the worst president in the history of our country.
We had the worst inflation. He goes on to blame
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Biden for all of our issues, and then he says,
and what he did to our country should never be forgotten.
He had an open door process and people would come in.
And I'm not discriminating against tattoos, but people would come
in with tattoos all over their faces. Come on in,
Come on in, come on in, he said. So the
nor just follows up and just says, Hey, why do
we need an aircraft carrier? And he says, it's got
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to be somewhere. It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
My favorite.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's when I started laughing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's my favorite answer. You gotta put somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Put it somewhere. Why not near Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That was a ridiculous and non answer, but it was
it was so him, and it was I had no fine, Fine,
it's just him. It's how he answers. That is such
a colloquial way to converse with somebody. Hey, got it,
put somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We talked about war. Yeah, why is that that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Just need a place to park it. On the point
of nuclear weapons, you've been hearing this a lot lately
talking about nuclear testing. She asked him, what did you
mean when you said you wanted to start nuclear texting testing?
The President said, we have more nuclear weapons than any country.
Russia's second, China's a very distant third, but they'll be
even in five years. He says, we have enough nuclear
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weapons to blow up the world one hundred and fifty times.
Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons in China will
have a lot. They have some, they have quite a bit.
But and then she jumps in, so why do we
need to test our nuclear weapons? He responds, because you
have to see how they work. She asks for more clarity.
Are you saying that after thirty years, the United States
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is going to start detonating nuclear weapons for testing? He says,
I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like
other countries do. Yes, Nora, but the only country that's
testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia are not.
The President says, well, Russia, No, No, Russia's testing nuclear weapons.
Nora tries to explain, is my understanding that they're only
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testing the weapons systems systems, not actual nuclear warhead. The
President says, Russia's testing and China's testing, but they don't
talk about it. You know, we're an open society, we're different.
We talk about it. We have to talk about it
because otherwise you people.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's when I laughed.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We have to talk about it because you people who
have been kicked out of the Pentagon for reporting recently.
He says, they don't have reporters that are gonna be
writing about it.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
We do.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, we're gonna test because they test and other tests,
and certainly North Korea has been testing, Pakistan's been testing.
Doesn't it sort of make sense? You know, you make
nuclear weapons, then you don't test.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
How are you gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
How are you gonna know if they work? We have
to do that. Yu All was not taking any liberties.
He said exact a verbatim what he said.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It almost sounded like he was jealous of North Korea
and China because they don't in Russia, because they don't
have those pesky reporters that write about things.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, depending on doesn't either, right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, there are still ways, but yes, it was almost
if he was, ah, they don't have to deal with
you people like I do. So I was one of
those ones. As soon as I read it. I started laughing,
and then I knew exactly why you would laughed five
minutes earlier, just.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
How he said it. We get what he was saying,
but the way he goes about it is sometimes yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And he mentioned at least multiple times he weaved this
in from the beginning, the middle, and the end. I
believe about how he ended wars before the ninth This
is what made me laugh. He actually said that this
is verbatim. Before the ninth month, I stopped eight wars.
I feel like that was a line out of the Bible,
and on the seventh day God created whatever I mean,
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it was just before the ninth month. I stopped eight wars.
The only one I haven't been successful yet in and
that'll happen is Russia Ukraine, which I thought actually would
be the easiest one because I have a very good
relationship with President Putin. But we are respected again as
a country, and that's the way I've been able to
stop the wars. I've stopped them because of trade. He
flat out multiple times said the tariffs are his currency. Basically,
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oh Ya.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Tariffs came up quite a bit they did during this
and we will tell you what he said on tariffs
what he said about President Obama, and what he said
about President Obama he said wouldn't necessarily be politically correct.
Also the stupid war he talked about, and why he
thinks Chuck Schumer should be compared to a coma Kazi pilot.
Stay here, continuing now with the ninety minutes that President
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Trump gave sixty minutes so that you could see twenty
eight minutes on television. Going through a lot of the transcript,
roback and I read the whole thing this morning, and
he talked about President Biden quite a bit. You said
to me at one point while we were reading the transcript, Man,
he really doesn't like what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I said, I think he dislikes Biden way more than
he dislikes Obama. It was like obvious. I was surprised
at how much more he dislikes Biden than Obama.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And he made a reference to Biden's stupid war, saying
that was Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that
stupid war. He's talking about Ukraine in Russia. He said
that should not have been a war. That would have
never happened if I were president, By the way, for
four years, it didn't happen that was never even in doubt.
Then the election was rigged and stolen and all of
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a sudd and you see them forming up at the line.
And now I come back and I'm going to get
that one solved too. But I brought I mean that.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Just a little list.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Look at this wars? How many did I solve?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He's actually says I brought a little list. And then
he went off and he rattled off all the wars
that he has ended.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I will, well, why not give credit?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, where credit as due exactly. One of the other
lighter moments was when he was talking about and he
was talking crap about Biden again, but he was talking
about how DC now is a safe place as it
should be. He said before when he got here, it
was like a crime capital of the world. It's the
capital of this country. To meet it's the capital of
the world. And he said, I go to Japan, I
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go to South Korea, I go to China, any place
I go, and you know what I call that respect
for our country. They didn't treat Biden that way when
Biden went there. First of all, he hardly went anywhere
a guy couldn't leave his bedroom. But they didn't treat
Biden that way. They had no respect for Biden falling
up the stairs going to an airplane three times. I mean,
this is a man who should have never been president.
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This was a rigged election. You can see where he
is so impassioned and upset still about the twenty twenty
election and something else, any any mention of political retribution,
because he feels and got really heated talking about his
home being rated in mar Alago, and you could just
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hes it's so personal to him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It you see it when he talked. There are sometimes
we watch him all the time on television. There's some
days we see, man, he looks tired today, his energy
is down. Man, he's really rambling. Then there are times
he really says energy is good. Anytime he talks about Biden,
he seems to have a little more pep inist step.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He seems to get a bolt of energy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes when he does, and he found a way to
bring it around almost every time. But certainly when I
mentioned the lighter moment when he was talking about d C,
he kept trying to ask Nora, who lives in d C,
if she felt safer, and she kept trying to evade
the question saying, I'm really busy. He's like, you've noticed
a difference though, right. She's like, oh, I mean I
just go to work and go back home. And and
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he was. He really pushed what she held her own.
I had to give her credit.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, I wish she had a better answer because
it was a non answer. You know what, I don't
even notice what was going on in the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Streets because I'm so busy with work. I didn't notice
the tank. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know what the right. That's tough because you're
not supposed to give your opinion? Are you certainly not
supposed to?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Are you allowed though in that moment, this is a
different kind of guy. Are you allowed to? Rather than
I love the truth be told, I I like to
see the milk.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
She would she would have she would have become a
headline that it would have. I don't She didn't have
a winning way out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You know what, but she found one. I'm not dogging
her for the answer or for a non answer.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That means she did a good job.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And he and he let it go. He was like,
all right, I want to I won't keep embarrassing you,
but I know you know, he was just kind of like,
of course.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's safer to stick with what was this is? Just
throw this in there. It was a lighter moment that
was necessary. But he was talking about the the Iran
mission bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran, and.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
How is that the lighter moment? But I know where
you're going with yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Stay with me, folks, thank you, because a lot of
people are listening going wait what I was that funny?
But it was lighter in that she was making a
reference to uh or he was and how long they
flew and he was just amazed that they had to
stay in the air as long as they did. They
flew for thirty seven hours. And then he made a
reference to he was on his plane for forty two
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hours over the last three days, and he said he
could relate to it. And he said, I flew for
forty two hours over the last three days, so I
know how they feel. She jumps in and says, except
there's a bathroom on Air Force one. You know, that
was the only moment I saw her take of levity
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of lightning things up because she stayed on her notes
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
She threw that isn't there she did, and he and
he laughed about it. He said, but they were sitting
in one seat. I was able to walk around a
little bit. But yeah, they said, forty two hours. I've
been in the air for forty two hours over a
few days, and that was fine because we took in
trillions of dollars into our country. He always knows how
to I have to say, land his plane. But he
always knows how to turn something, even if it starts
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out negati or funny, into something where he can teut, Hey,
here's what I did, and by the way, here's what
I accomplished.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I look, it's a talent, it's a skill.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He's got it. If you're on the other side of
the aisle, you hate it. But if he's your guy,
you're like, hell, yeah, put I'm out there now. He's
talking about Obama. Is it politically incorrect to say what
he said?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, he gave his opinion, but I'm surprised when
he talks so badly about Obama. Sometimes because of the funeral,
because of the Jimmy Carter funeral, they.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Looked like they were lucking it up. They were having
it looked like the time of their lives sitting there
waiting for the funeral procession to begin.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But he looked like he genuinely enjoyed Obama's company. He
genuinely appreciated being with him. Oh maybe this is just politics.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And how okay, fine, But he said to Nora, Obama
was a terrible president. Nobody wants to talk about it
because they want to be politically correct. I don't care.
He was a terrible president. Our country was. It really
started a very bad downward spiral. Then I stopped it.
Then we had a rigged election, and then what what
Biden did to our country should never ever be forgotten.
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That was pretty dramatic, it was.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But of course the shutdown had to come up. She
asked him about the longest shutdown in American history. He
immediately jumped in democrats, Paul, that was his read. Immediately
that was his response. And asked what you are doing, sir,
to end the shutdown. He didn't have an answer necessarily,
He only kept going on about Democrats keep voting down
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this extension. He said he had to admit he has
no plans. She said, so you're saying your plans to
tell the Democrats to vote to end the shutdown? Correct,
very simple was His response? Was the end of it roll?
If you say some of his best stuff for Chuck Schumer,
I was, he.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Really did so on Schumer, I'm not going to do
it by being extorted by the Democrats who've lost their way.
There is something wrong with these people. Nora says, So, then,
what happens on November fifteenth? Trump, Schumer is a basket case,
he interrupts. Noora's trying to say, what happens on November
fifteenth when the troops don't get a paycheck? Trump continues,
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Schumer is a basket case. He's going to be defeated
in the next election by a vast number of people,
and he has nothing to lose. He's become I just
left Japan. He's become a Kama Kazi pilot. This guy,
Norris says, it sounds like this is not going to
get solved. Trump says, this guy is a Kama Kazi.
He would rather see the country fail than have Trump
and the Republicans do well. But the people don't want that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
To your point, right, she asked him, what happens when
the troops don't get paid? Chuck Schumer is a nutcase.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What she was great.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
She just kept following up, and she just kept re
asking the question until he finally answered, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Some of these she was running out of time. She
had to eventually let some of these go. He did
go on to say this as well, and what's going
on with the shutdown called the democrats vicious quote, the
Democrats are vicious. They're vicious. They have horrible policy, but
they are the most vicious human beings on the earth.
They are people that weaponize government. They do a lot
of bad things.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know, it's tough. I'm actually thinking about that as
a journalist and sitting across from the President of the
United States and him saying something that incendiary, you know,
it is tough to know how you what your next
follow up is to something that egregious. I mean, before Trump,
can you imagine like, yes, of course partisan politics come
into play, and there is there are certain types of
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words used, but to say things like that is yes,
it's par for the course, but it's still remarkable.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I would love to have a non policy interview, but
a personal one because on that one you would want
to follow. She can't go down that rabbit hole with him,
like mister President, you call these people, yeah, like these
are human beings, These are fellow politicians on the other side,
you talk about them.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
As if they are the sum Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Fine, how can we do that? The most vicious human
beings on earth? That's that's beyond hyperbole. That is like, God,
that's a tough one. Uh, what do you wanna go
to next to the tariffs of the immigration?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Let's well, we can go to tariffs. The immigration is
a lot. But she asks if your economic plan, what
happens to it if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs.
Trump says, I think our country will be immeasurably hurt.
I think our economy will go to hell because of tariffs.
We have the highest stock market we've ever had because
of tariffs. Four oh one k's are at the highest level.
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And this is millions and millions of people that that
we've ever had. Four oh one CA's okay, she says,
all right, we'll finish that sentence. You said. If they
take away my power to do tariffs, what Trump says,
it would be a very sad day for the United
States of America. We're making a lot of money, We're
respected again all over the world. We have great national security.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And she tried and tried on immigration because he'd made
a reference to him several times. She kept saying, Hey,
we'll get to immigration later. They finally get to it,
and she says to him, you campaign on immigration. His response,
did a great job, don't you think, which is fantastic.
She asked him, though, and you've seen this clip they've
used in teases and this was certainly a part of
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the television interview. Have some of these ice raids gone
too far? His response, No, I think they haven't gone
far enough because we've been held back by the judges,
by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden
and Obama and Obama. She follows up, you're okay with
these tactics. He says, yeah, because you have to get
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the people out. Look, that was jarring the people who's
seen some of the scenes on television to think they're
going too far. And the President said, I want him
to go farther.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's concerning. He said he's been mild, right, He said,
I've been mild. That was how he described how he
has handled all of this. And she talked about how
in his campaigning he talked about getting rid of the
worst of the worst, the most violent of the criminals.
And Trump says, that's what we're doing. But Nora said, no,
but a lot of people that your administration has arrested
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and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers. Trump says, oh, no, no, no,
no landscapers who are criminals. Nora added farm workers, and
then Trump says, now, look, look, and then Nora added
the family of US service members, and then Trump says this,
I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, if I'm not saying ever, I don't know if
I've seen it. I don't think I've seen an interviewer
walk out of an interview with anybody, much less a president.
But if she'd walked out at that moment, I would
have said, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I actually, you know, it's one of those moments where
sometimes I think the only time I felt like this
when I had an interview was where I actually had
to be so aware of my facial reaction to what
they were saying. And that is when I interviewed then
Illinois Governor Rob Legoyevitch just days before he was criminally charged.
But when when you are interviewing somebody who says outlandish
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things that they believe it truly is difficult to maintain
decorum and not show a reaction on your face. She
did a great job.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's just the fun we get it to put to
say it out, I need landscapers more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
He owned some golf courses. He does.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And it's a true statement. It just it comes off
a certain way and I don't mind it. That's Trump.
Let's get to these last political restribution in Pam Bondy Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's Mommy, and there's mom Donnie too.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, let's do mom Donni first. We have the election
here in New York tomorrow. New York City mayor asking
about uh Zoran mum Donnie, who was leading right now
in the race, President Drum said, called him communist, not socialist. Communists.
He's far worse than a socialist. He's far worse than
a socialist. Or asks, some people have compared him to
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a left wing version of you, charismatic breaking the old rules.
What do you think about that? Trump's response, Well, I
think I'm a much better looking person than him.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
He was looking for her to confirm, which I thought
was weird. She then ask what if mom Donnie becomes mayor,
said the president, I think he's probably gonna make Doblasio
look great. I think he'll make de Blasio look like
one of the great mayors. De Blasio was the worst
mayor we've ever had. Now I say that, you know,
but I was sort of leaving during that period of time.
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I got to see the Blasio how bad of a
mayor he was, and this man will.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Be worse than the Plaza.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He goes down at the end here and says about Cuomo,
if it's gonna be between a bad Democrat and a communist,
I'm gonna pick the bad Democrat all the time, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
All right. So that was a lukewarm endorsement of Cuomo.
And then this is where he really did get fiery
about the political retribution. Nora asks him about James Comy,
John Bolton, Letitia James all recently indicted. There's a pattern
to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly
denounced you. Is this political retribution? She had to ask
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that same question multiple times. He means, do you think
it's bad that I went after a public figure. Is
it political retribution? He says, you know what, you know,
who got indicted? The man you're looking at. I got
indicted and I was innocent. And here I am because
I was able to beat all of the nonsense that
was thrown out at me. I got indicted. They indicted
the president of the United States. So you can just
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see how upset he is. You know, they impeached me twice,
and I got out of it quickly and easily. They
impeach me twice. These people are scum. And yet when
you go after a dirty cop like Komy or a
guy like Bolton, who I hear has I don't know
anything about it? I hear he took records all over
the place. Who knows. Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person,
in my opinion, terrible. I just won the case against her.
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She wanted me to pay five hundred million for something
I didn't do anything wrong on and the judge just
overturned the decision. And then so then Nora has to
erupt again after he still keeps talking about how disalms
they are. She said, I am asking is it political retribution?
So this is the third time she asked, and he
responds with, Comy's a dirty cop. Komy's known as a
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dirty cop. I'm not known as a dirty person. They
indicted me many times, they were after me. I'm looking
at you now, I'm president of the United States. I
went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell
me that I went after people. These people are dishonest.
I mean, you can just He was very upset.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
It was a longer answer. He went on for quite
a bit, and she gave him some rope to do this,
but he kept on going down this road. But her question,
the natural one, was did you instruct the Justice Department
to go after your political enemies? He all of a
sudden didn't hear what she said, do I what did
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you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
He falls No, not in any way, shape or form. No,
you don't have to instruct them because they were so
dirty they have they were so crooked, they were so
corrupt that the honest people we have Pamboni's doing a
very good job.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Cash Betel's doing a good job. Wednesday, come into my house. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Then he goes back into how Yeah, they went through
Malania's things. He went off on on what was the
thing picking up her dresses. He was upset that they
went through her dresses and like threw them on the ground.
That he went into a very long diatribe about how
Mlanie is very meticulous and keeps all of her things
very nice and neat, and they came in there and
they went through all her dresses. He's he's still very
upset about all of this.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So the last thing on this was she tried to
follow up at the NSA. Is this rettribution on your part?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Fourth time?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
His response, finally, no, it's the opposite. I think I've
been very mild mannered. You're looking at a man who
was indicted many times and I had to beat the
rap otherwise I couldn't have run for president. They tried
to get me to not run for president by going
after me and by indicting me. That I underlined, and
that was the first thing I looked up, and it
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got a little I think I've been very mild mannered.
Comy Bolton, Laticia James all In federally indicted and he's been.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Mild meaning there's more where that came from. That was
my takeaway, don't cross me third term.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He lets this go finally, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I think he finally has made it clear that he
will not be running for a third term. But he
did point out that they have a very strong bench
Republicans and so he felt like it was going to
be good. He didn't want to use any names, but
he said, we got three and a quarter years, so
he's still we got a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Look, this was interesting, it was fascinating, and I'm glad
it's cool to read it instead of seeing it sometimes.
But we went through the whole ninety minutes. I just
wanted to throw a few things in there that maybe
you didn't see. We'll keep an eye on all things
Trump and CBS related. Cannot believe the president was on
sixty minutes. Just the idea of that is kind of
wild right now.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And reading the transcript was well, it delivered. It was
a ride, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, folks, we alway appreciate you spending some time with us.
We're going to give our eyes a break. We were
staring at this computer screen for the transcript a long time,
struggling for a minute. But folks, who always appreciate you
listening on TJ. Holmes, behalf of Amy Robock. We will
talk to y'all real soon
Hey, there're folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is Monday, November third, and President Trump sat down
for ninety minutes with sixty minutes, but you only got
to see twenty eight minutes of it on TV. So
Robot and I decided to read through the whole damn
ninety minute transcript, and boy, there's a lot you missed
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him with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
What stands you know? I guess a lot jumps out,
but nothing necessarily stands out as new or different, and
quite frankly that newsworthy. So much of it was stuff
we were accustomed to hearing from President Trump.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, I think if this had been an interview with
any other president, you would call it jaw dropping. But
because it's President Trump, it's bar for the course to
use a golf reference there, because that is he is
who he is, unapologetically so, and he is that very person.
Throughout this hour and a half interview.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He called the Democratic leader in the Senate a Kamakazi.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, I didn't even.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Badenye a man on a suicide mission. I didn't bad
nine neither did.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
There's a whole bunch of stuff in there and calling
Democrats the most vicious humans on the planet Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I didn't even flinch.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Neither did I, because that sounds about right something from him.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
But was there anything? And again, folks, we read through
the entire ninety minute transcript, was there anything that jumped
out that you got?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
WHOA, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean no, And look, you and I were. You
were a little bit ahead of me, but it was
your idea to do it. So I was like, all right,
let's read through the whole thing. And it was funny.
You would laugh or chuckle at something, and then I'd
know in about a minute I'd be doing the same thing.
And it pretty much happened that way. So yes, it
it's not that anything that they were talking about was
funny or is funny.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But all newsworthy.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The way he reacts to things, the way he phrases things,
what he says I apologetically, so is something so different
than most of us are used to hearing from any
other person, forget even politician. So yes, it almost becomes
comical because he is playing the role.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Of him, and we say that these are newsworthy topics.
There was only one light moment that I read the
whole thing having to do with the bathroom. We'll get
into that in a second. And also the interview asking
about DC ner o'donna was the interviewer. We're going to
talk about her in a second. But that were only
two kind of cute and like moments, if you will.
But in ninety minutes, this was not that. So the
background will at least give you the background here and
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a lot of you all know it sixty This is
why I was a little awkward just to hear that
he was on sixty minutes. That's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, yeah, it's a news program that just paid him
ten million dollars sixteen sixteen million dollars after he sued
them for ten billion dollars. Yes, thank you. I appreciate
that correction because it's quite a hefty one sixteen million dollars.
Imagine that you sue someone for that amount of money.
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You get a huge, huge, life changing number for most people.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And now you're gonna sit down and be interviewed by a.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Shout it up, so yees, sixty minutes. If you remember,
this was last year. The reason this whole interview became
what it even became as an event last night. It
was because last year, sixteen minutes extended offered to interview
both candidates pre election, Trump and Harris Trump. Trump did
not accept, Harris did so. Trump didn't like how CBS
edited Kamala Harris his interview, claiming that they edited in
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such a way to make her look better, so he
sued ten billion. Everybody thought this was frivolous, and yes,
you go to court, CBS, you're going to win this thing.
But they didn't. Paramount, the parent company settled for sixteen million.
That roboc just said. And then after that, not too long, Paramount,
the owner of CBS, was sold to sun Dance. That
went through. People immediately thought that Paramount settled as a
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way to clear the way for the sale to Skydance.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was almost intermediate, I mean immediate, not intermediate, immediate
to the point where you couldn't even pretend the two
weren't connected the time.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He could have been a coincidence. These things happen.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The sale goes through, Yes, the FCC had to approve
the sale. Yes, and that approval came within days. I
believe of this settlement happening because that was time in between.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, so we're all caught ups. And so that's the
backdrop we have where there's big sixty minutes interview with
the president being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell, who robes you
and I. We saw the clips from it, but reading it,
Nora o'dnna deserves credit for not just picking the right
topics and the questions, for her demeanor, for how she
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went about this interview.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
She deserves so much credit.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We've known her for a very long time, worked with
her back at NBC News MSNBC so decades back. I
always knew she was a solid reporter correspondent. Of course,
she was the anchor of CBS Evening News as well
for six seven years.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Until last yes, till she stepped down at the end
of last year.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
End of last year. So this is someone who is
and has a tremendous journalism background and resume, and so yes,
I've known, we've known that she's good. But man, she
really did a good job. Can you imagine I was
thinking about this. It would be a pressure situation. I've
never sat down with the sitting president. But knowing all
of that work that goes into that, all the prep
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that goes into that making sure you are well versed
on every major topic on this planet, and you have
to be willing to call somebody on their bs. You
have to be willing to know things enough to follow
up correctly, and to hold your own She did all
of the above without being combative, without taking it personally,
without trying to get him.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think folks should take notes from her interview because
the trick roves to your point. A lot of great
capable journalists can come up with the right questions. There's
a trick to interviewing him that I think most haven't mastered,
and she, I think did one of the best jobs
I've seen, maybe the best. And that to your point
about when he says something and you know it might
be a lie, you know you want to challenge him
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on the facts or whatever else. She stayed on topic.
She didn't allow him to take her off topic. She
let him ramble for a second at times when he
got off what she asked and said, but I really
wanted to ask about this, but I want to get
back to this, you know what, We're going to talk
about that in a second. And she was calm, and
she never you made this point. I don't want to
turn this into a man woman thing. But if you
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apply that, we have okay away from man and woman.
We talked about this sometimes we've seen interviewers who were
it seems so personal.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
They take it personally. They get personally offended if you
challenge them the journalist, or question them the journalist, or
get a little dig in, which some politicians like to do,
and then journalists take the bait. They get emotional and
they fire back, and then they lose all credibility in
that moment. Yes, she never did.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That, so first of all, first for we have to
give her credit.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I love you know what I loved one I hate
to say tactic, but something she did which I thought
was so impressive. Every time he went off topic, which
was often and at great length, she would say, mister President,
I understand how valuable your time is, and so I
want to make sure we get all of this in.
She kept reminding him how valuable on how important his
time was, and she was so grateful for it, and
then would kind of get him refocused and repurpose, knowing, Hey,
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for us to get through all of this, we're going
to have to actually talk about the issue at hand.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
She was so good at showing respect for the office,
even if you think everything out of his mouth is BS.
She showed her respect for the office that a lot
of people don't think you should show him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
She still found a way to balance that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Look, that is so fricking hard to do, and I
got to give her it is so much.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Credible it is normally.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
But imagine the added pressure now of knowing that this
is now a network that is under sieg so to speak.
People are leaving in protest, they're being fired, They're claiming
that President Trump owns the network or is absolutely having
an impact on the editorial direction it's taking. So imagine
all that scrutiny from your own colleagues, from the world
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watching from the Trump administration. I just thought she did
such a good job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Look, and I know folks will listen to look if
people are not if people are pro Trump, they're going
to criticize anything. For the most part, sometimes not everybody,
but online. You know what that's going to turn into.
It's just hard to look at this woman in this
job she did. Who was the Terry moranuin You remember
how that one when he got credit at times, but
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also the president took him on and challenged him. At time,
he did a fairly of not jumping in. But we've
seen some stuff recently, including on Sunday morning shows. Come on, y'all, why.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, And it's just so obvious they're letting certain politicians
get under their skin and then it makes the entire
industry look bad.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, So for the next few minutes, we're not going
to keep you all here too long, but we're going
to go through some of the biggest topics in the
most relevant exchanges. We're going to talk about the stock
market here. First of all, we have the transcript in
front of us, and we're actually gonna read the exact
back and forth between the two and just let you
hear some of this stuff. First, on the stock market,
he was asked by Nora o'donald, when the stock market
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is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody, not everybody invested
in the stock market. He jumps in and said it does. Oh,
it does, she says, but there have been grocery prices
are up. He then jumps in, Look four one k's.
People have four a one k's. Their four to one
k's are double what they were a year ago. Nor
Donald jumps in but for people that don't have for
a one k's who are not invested in the stock market,
(09:34):
he interrupts, sure, but but she tries to finish her question.
They've seen their grocery prices up, inflation is up, and
he tells her, no, you're wrong. They went up under Biden.
Right now they're going down, other than beef, which we're
working on, which we can solve very quickly. So the beef,
the ranchers have really been taking a drubbing over the
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thirty year period because of what I've done, the ranchers
have done well. Now this goes back at least this
jumped out. The stock market is doing gang buses, it is,
and people are in long frickin' lines trying to get
food right now.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's a tale of two countries.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
She was trying to make that point to him, and
he's like, Nope, you're wrong. Prices are not going up,
which the data tells us otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Correct, And then she went to go move on with
his involvement with China and certainly talked about his relationship
with President She But she went on to ask him
several questions, including about Taiwan, which is a touchy subject.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Weok.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Taiwan and Venezuela were two issues about the possibility of
military action involving those two places. Now nor Oldwana asked
about Taiwan first set on this potential flashpoint with China.
Probably the potential flash point with China in the coming
years is over the issue of Taiwan. The Chinese military
is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, it's airspace, it's cyberspace.
(10:56):
I know you've said, President, she wouldn't dare movement military
on Taiwan while you're in office, But what if he does?
Would you order US forces to defend Taiwan? The President answered,
you'll find out if it happens, and he understands. The
answer to that, he understands, President g what will happen?
He and I have spoken about it, but it was
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never even brought up during his last meeting with President Chu.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I was crazy to hear that it didn't come up. Yeah,
that was really hard to imagine.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, Okay, Then nor o'donald finishers, do you mind if
I ask, when you say he understands, why not communicate
that publicly to the rest of us? And the President says,
I don't want to give away. I can't give away
my secrets.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And then you mentioned Venezuela. But this was fascinating to me,
Nora says, I want to stay on the issue of
foreign policy. Let's turn to our hemisphere. There had been
at least eight boats in the Caribbean destroyed by the
US military, and President Trump says, fortunately, Nora says, and
now the USS Gerald Ford, that is the world's largest
aircraft carrier is on the way to the Caribbean. Are
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we going to war against Venezuela? Whoo? President Trump's answer,
I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been
treating us very badly, not only on drugs. They've dumped
hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we
didn't want. People from prisons. They emptied their prisons into
our country. They also, if you take a look, they
emptied their mental institutions and they're insane asylums into the
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United States of America. Because Joe Biden was the worst
president in the history of the country. Norah says, but
why is our aircraft carrier? Trump says, Just let me finish.
She finishes going down there. Trump then says, Joe Biden
was the worst president in the history of our country.
We had the worst inflation. He goes on to blame
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Biden for all of our issues, and then he says,
and what he did to our country should never be forgotten.
He had an open door process and people would come in.
And I'm not discriminating against tattoos, but people would come
in with tattoos all over their faces. Come on in,
Come on in, come on in, he said. So the
nor just follows up and just says, Hey, why do
we need an aircraft carrier? And he says, it's got
(13:06):
to be somewhere. It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
My favorite.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's when I started laughing.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's my favorite answer. You gotta put somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Put it somewhere. Why not near Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That was a ridiculous and non answer, but it was
it was so him, and it was I had no fine, Fine,
it's just him. It's how he answers. That is such
a colloquial way to converse with somebody. Hey, got it,
put somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
We talked about war. Yeah, why is that that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Just need a place to park it. On the point
of nuclear weapons, you've been hearing this a lot lately
talking about nuclear testing. She asked him, what did you
mean when you said you wanted to start nuclear texting testing?
The President said, we have more nuclear weapons than any country.
Russia's second, China's a very distant third, but they'll be
even in five years. He says, we have enough nuclear
(13:55):
weapons to blow up the world one hundred and fifty times.
Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons in China will
have a lot. They have some, they have quite a bit.
But and then she jumps in, so why do we
need to test our nuclear weapons? He responds, because you
have to see how they work. She asks for more clarity.
Are you saying that after thirty years, the United States
(14:17):
is going to start detonating nuclear weapons for testing? He says,
I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like
other countries do. Yes, Nora, but the only country that's
testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia are not.
The President says, well, Russia, No, No, Russia's testing nuclear weapons.
Nora tries to explain, is my understanding that they're only
(14:38):
testing the weapons systems systems, not actual nuclear warhead. The
President says, Russia's testing and China's testing, but they don't
talk about it. You know, we're an open society, we're different.
We talk about it. We have to talk about it
because otherwise you people.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's when I laughed.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
We have to talk about it because you people who
have been kicked out of the Pentagon for reporting recently.
He says, they don't have reporters that are gonna be
writing about it.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
We do.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, we're gonna test because they test and other tests,
and certainly North Korea has been testing, Pakistan's been testing.
Doesn't it sort of make sense? You know, you make
nuclear weapons, then you don't test.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
How are you gonna do that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
How are you gonna know if they work? We have
to do that. Yu All was not taking any liberties.
He said exact a verbatim what he said.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It almost sounded like he was jealous of North Korea
and China because they don't in Russia, because they don't
have those pesky reporters that write about things.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, depending on doesn't either, right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, there are still ways, but yes, it was almost
if he was, ah, they don't have to deal with
you people like I do. So I was one of
those ones. As soon as I read it. I started laughing,
and then I knew exactly why you would laughed five
minutes earlier, just.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
How he said it. We get what he was saying,
but the way he goes about it is sometimes yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And he mentioned at least multiple times he weaved this
in from the beginning, the middle, and the end. I
believe about how he ended wars before the ninth This
is what made me laugh. He actually said that this
is verbatim. Before the ninth month, I stopped eight wars.
I feel like that was a line out of the Bible,
and on the seventh day God created whatever I mean,
(16:16):
it was just before the ninth month. I stopped eight wars.
The only one I haven't been successful yet in and
that'll happen is Russia Ukraine, which I thought actually would
be the easiest one because I have a very good
relationship with President Putin. But we are respected again as
a country, and that's the way I've been able to
stop the wars. I've stopped them because of trade. He
flat out multiple times said the tariffs are his currency. Basically,
(16:40):
oh Ya.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Tariffs came up quite a bit they did during this
and we will tell you what he said on tariffs
what he said about President Obama, and what he said
about President Obama he said wouldn't necessarily be politically correct.
Also the stupid war he talked about, and why he
thinks Chuck Schumer should be compared to a coma Kazi pilot.
Stay here, continuing now with the ninety minutes that President
(17:15):
Trump gave sixty minutes so that you could see twenty
eight minutes on television. Going through a lot of the transcript,
roback and I read the whole thing this morning, and
he talked about President Biden quite a bit. You said
to me at one point while we were reading the transcript, Man,
he really doesn't like what'd you say?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I said, I think he dislikes Biden way more than
he dislikes Obama. It was like obvious. I was surprised
at how much more he dislikes Biden than Obama.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And he made a reference to Biden's stupid war, saying
that was Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that
stupid war. He's talking about Ukraine in Russia. He said
that should not have been a war. That would have
never happened if I were president, By the way, for
four years, it didn't happen that was never even in doubt.
Then the election was rigged and stolen and all of
(17:59):
a sudd and you see them forming up at the line.
And now I come back and I'm going to get
that one solved too. But I brought I mean that.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Just a little list.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Look at this wars? How many did I solve?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He's actually says I brought a little list. And then
he went off and he rattled off all the wars
that he has ended.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I will, well, why not give credit?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, where credit as due exactly. One of the other
lighter moments was when he was talking about and he
was talking crap about Biden again, but he was talking
about how DC now is a safe place as it
should be. He said before when he got here, it
was like a crime capital of the world. It's the
capital of this country. To meet it's the capital of
the world. And he said, I go to Japan, I
(18:39):
go to South Korea, I go to China, any place
I go, and you know what I call that respect
for our country. They didn't treat Biden that way when
Biden went there. First of all, he hardly went anywhere
a guy couldn't leave his bedroom. But they didn't treat
Biden that way. They had no respect for Biden falling
up the stairs going to an airplane three times. I mean,
this is a man who should have never been president.
(19:00):
This was a rigged election. You can see where he
is so impassioned and upset still about the twenty twenty
election and something else, any any mention of political retribution,
because he feels and got really heated talking about his
home being rated in mar Alago, and you could just
(19:20):
hes it's so personal to him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It you see it when he talked. There are sometimes
we watch him all the time on television. There's some
days we see, man, he looks tired today, his energy
is down. Man, he's really rambling. Then there are times
he really says energy is good. Anytime he talks about Biden,
he seems to have a little more pep inist step.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He seems to get a bolt of energy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes when he does, and he found a way to
bring it around almost every time. But certainly when I
mentioned the lighter moment when he was talking about d C,
he kept trying to ask Nora, who lives in d C,
if she felt safer, and she kept trying to evade
the question saying, I'm really busy. He's like, you've noticed
a difference though, right. She's like, oh, I mean I
just go to work and go back home. And and
(20:04):
he was. He really pushed what she held her own.
I had to give her credit.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, I wish she had a better answer because
it was a non answer. You know what, I don't
even notice what was going on in the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Streets because I'm so busy with work. I didn't notice
the tank. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know what the right. That's tough because you're
not supposed to give your opinion? Are you certainly not
supposed to?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Are you allowed though in that moment, this is a
different kind of guy. Are you allowed to? Rather than
I love the truth be told, I I like to
see the milk.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
She would she would have she would have become a
headline that it would have. I don't She didn't have
a winning way out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
You know what, but she found one. I'm not dogging
her for the answer or for a non answer.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That means she did a good job.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And he and he let it go. He was like,
all right, I want to I won't keep embarrassing you,
but I know you know, he was just kind of like,
of course.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's safer to stick with what was this is? Just
throw this in there. It was a lighter moment that
was necessary. But he was talking about the the Iran
mission bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran, and.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
How is that the lighter moment? But I know where
you're going with yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Stay with me, folks, thank you, because a lot of
people are listening going wait what I was that funny?
But it was lighter in that she was making a
reference to uh or he was and how long they
flew and he was just amazed that they had to
stay in the air as long as they did. They
flew for thirty seven hours. And then he made a
reference to he was on his plane for forty two
(21:32):
hours over the last three days, and he said he
could relate to it. And he said, I flew for
forty two hours over the last three days, so I
know how they feel. She jumps in and says, except
there's a bathroom on Air Force one. You know, that
was the only moment I saw her take of levity
(21:52):
of lightning things up because she stayed on her notes
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
She threw that isn't there she did, and he and
he laughed about it. He said, but they were sitting
in one seat. I was able to walk around a
little bit. But yeah, they said, forty two hours. I've
been in the air for forty two hours over a
few days, and that was fine because we took in
trillions of dollars into our country. He always knows how
to I have to say, land his plane. But he
always knows how to turn something, even if it starts
(22:16):
out negati or funny, into something where he can teut, Hey,
here's what I did, and by the way, here's what
I accomplished.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I look, it's a talent, it's a skill.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He's got it. If you're on the other side of
the aisle, you hate it. But if he's your guy,
you're like, hell, yeah, put I'm out there now. He's
talking about Obama. Is it politically incorrect to say what
he said?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, he gave his opinion, but I'm surprised when
he talks so badly about Obama. Sometimes because of the funeral,
because of the Jimmy Carter funeral, they.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Looked like they were lucking it up. They were having
it looked like the time of their lives sitting there
waiting for the funeral procession to begin.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But he looked like he genuinely enjoyed Obama's company. He
genuinely appreciated being with him. Oh maybe this is just politics.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And how okay, fine, But he said to Nora, Obama
was a terrible president. Nobody wants to talk about it
because they want to be politically correct. I don't care.
He was a terrible president. Our country was. It really
started a very bad downward spiral. Then I stopped it.
Then we had a rigged election, and then what what
Biden did to our country should never ever be forgotten.
(23:22):
That was pretty dramatic, it was.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But of course the shutdown had to come up. She
asked him about the longest shutdown in American history. He
immediately jumped in democrats, Paul, that was his read. Immediately
that was his response. And asked what you are doing, sir,
to end the shutdown. He didn't have an answer necessarily,
He only kept going on about Democrats keep voting down
(23:48):
this extension. He said he had to admit he has
no plans. She said, so you're saying your plans to
tell the Democrats to vote to end the shutdown? Correct,
very simple was His response? Was the end of it roll?
If you say some of his best stuff for Chuck Schumer,
I was, he.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Really did so on Schumer, I'm not going to do
it by being extorted by the Democrats who've lost their way.
There is something wrong with these people. Nora says, So, then,
what happens on November fifteenth? Trump, Schumer is a basket case,
he interrupts. Noora's trying to say, what happens on November
fifteenth when the troops don't get a paycheck? Trump continues,
(24:27):
Schumer is a basket case. He's going to be defeated
in the next election by a vast number of people,
and he has nothing to lose. He's become I just
left Japan. He's become a Kama Kazi pilot. This guy,
Norris says, it sounds like this is not going to
get solved. Trump says, this guy is a Kama Kazi.
He would rather see the country fail than have Trump
and the Republicans do well. But the people don't want that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
To your point, right, she asked him, what happens when
the troops don't get paid? Chuck Schumer is a nutcase.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What she was great.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
She just kept following up, and she just kept re
asking the question until he finally answered, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Some of these she was running out of time. She
had to eventually let some of these go. He did
go on to say this as well, and what's going
on with the shutdown called the democrats vicious quote, the
Democrats are vicious. They're vicious. They have horrible policy, but
they are the most vicious human beings on the earth.
They are people that weaponize government. They do a lot
of bad things.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know, it's tough. I'm actually thinking about that as
a journalist and sitting across from the President of the
United States and him saying something that incendiary, you know,
it is tough to know how you what your next
follow up is to something that egregious. I mean, before Trump,
can you imagine like, yes, of course partisan politics come
into play, and there is there are certain types of
(25:50):
words used, but to say things like that is yes,
it's par for the course, but it's still remarkable.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I would love to have a non policy interview, but
a personal one because on that one you would want
to follow. She can't go down that rabbit hole with him,
like mister President, you call these people, yeah, like these
are human beings, These are fellow politicians on the other side,
you talk about them.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
As if they are the sum Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Fine, how can we do that? The most vicious human
beings on earth? That's that's beyond hyperbole. That is like, God,
that's a tough one. Uh, what do you wanna go
to next to the tariffs of the immigration?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Let's well, we can go to tariffs. The immigration is
a lot. But she asks if your economic plan, what
happens to it if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs.
Trump says, I think our country will be immeasurably hurt.
I think our economy will go to hell because of tariffs.
We have the highest stock market we've ever had because
of tariffs. Four oh one k's are at the highest level.
(26:54):
And this is millions and millions of people that that
we've ever had. Four oh one CA's okay, she says,
all right, we'll finish that sentence. You said. If they
take away my power to do tariffs, what Trump says,
it would be a very sad day for the United
States of America. We're making a lot of money, We're
respected again all over the world. We have great national security.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And she tried and tried on immigration because he'd made
a reference to him several times. She kept saying, Hey,
we'll get to immigration later. They finally get to it,
and she says to him, you campaign on immigration. His response,
did a great job, don't you think, which is fantastic.
She asked him, though, and you've seen this clip they've
used in teases and this was certainly a part of
(27:34):
the television interview. Have some of these ice raids gone
too far? His response, No, I think they haven't gone
far enough because we've been held back by the judges,
by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden
and Obama and Obama. She follows up, you're okay with
these tactics. He says, yeah, because you have to get
(27:54):
the people out. Look, that was jarring the people who's
seen some of the scenes on television to think they're
going too far. And the President said, I want him
to go farther.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's concerning. He said he's been mild, right, He said,
I've been mild. That was how he described how he
has handled all of this. And she talked about how
in his campaigning he talked about getting rid of the
worst of the worst, the most violent of the criminals.
And Trump says, that's what we're doing. But Nora said, no,
but a lot of people that your administration has arrested
(28:26):
and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers. Trump says, oh, no, no, no,
no landscapers who are criminals. Nora added farm workers, and
then Trump says, now, look, look, and then Nora added
the family of US service members, and then Trump says this,
I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, if I'm not saying ever, I don't know if
I've seen it. I don't think I've seen an interviewer
walk out of an interview with anybody, much less a president.
But if she'd walked out at that moment, I would
have said, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I actually, you know, it's one of those moments where
sometimes I think the only time I felt like this
when I had an interview was where I actually had
to be so aware of my facial reaction to what
they were saying. And that is when I interviewed then
Illinois Governor Rob Legoyevitch just days before he was criminally charged.
But when when you are interviewing somebody who says outlandish
(29:29):
things that they believe it truly is difficult to maintain
decorum and not show a reaction on your face. She
did a great job.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's just the fun we get it to put to
say it out, I need landscapers more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
He owned some golf courses. He does.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And it's a true statement. It just it comes off
a certain way and I don't mind it. That's Trump.
Let's get to these last political restribution in Pam Bondy Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's Mommy, and there's mom Donnie too.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Okay, let's do mom Donni first. We have the election
here in New York tomorrow. New York City mayor asking
about uh Zoran mum Donnie, who was leading right now
in the race, President Drum said, called him communist, not socialist. Communists.
He's far worse than a socialist. He's far worse than
a socialist. Or asks, some people have compared him to
(30:18):
a left wing version of you, charismatic breaking the old rules.
What do you think about that? Trump's response, Well, I
think I'm a much better looking person than him.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
He was looking for her to confirm, which I thought
was weird. She then ask what if mom Donnie becomes mayor,
said the president, I think he's probably gonna make Doblasio
look great. I think he'll make de Blasio look like
one of the great mayors. De Blasio was the worst
mayor we've ever had. Now I say that, you know,
but I was sort of leaving during that period of time.
(30:49):
I got to see the Blasio how bad of a
mayor he was, and this man will.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Be worse than the Plaza.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He goes down at the end here and says about Cuomo,
if it's gonna be between a bad Democrat and a communist,
I'm gonna pick the bad Democrat all the time, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
All right. So that was a lukewarm endorsement of Cuomo.
And then this is where he really did get fiery
about the political retribution. Nora asks him about James Comy,
John Bolton, Letitia James all recently indicted. There's a pattern
to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly
denounced you. Is this political retribution? She had to ask
(31:26):
that same question multiple times. He means, do you think
it's bad that I went after a public figure. Is
it political retribution? He says, you know what, you know,
who got indicted? The man you're looking at. I got
indicted and I was innocent. And here I am because
I was able to beat all of the nonsense that
was thrown out at me. I got indicted. They indicted
the president of the United States. So you can just
(31:47):
see how upset he is. You know, they impeached me twice,
and I got out of it quickly and easily. They
impeach me twice. These people are scum. And yet when
you go after a dirty cop like Komy or a
guy like Bolton, who I hear has I don't know
anything about it? I hear he took records all over
the place. Who knows. Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person,
in my opinion, terrible. I just won the case against her.
(32:10):
She wanted me to pay five hundred million for something
I didn't do anything wrong on and the judge just
overturned the decision. And then so then Nora has to
erupt again after he still keeps talking about how disalms
they are. She said, I am asking is it political retribution?
So this is the third time she asked, and he
responds with, Comy's a dirty cop. Komy's known as a
(32:32):
dirty cop. I'm not known as a dirty person. They
indicted me many times, they were after me. I'm looking
at you now, I'm president of the United States. I
went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell
me that I went after people. These people are dishonest.
I mean, you can just He was very upset.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
It was a longer answer. He went on for quite
a bit, and she gave him some rope to do this,
but he kept on going down this road. But her question,
the natural one, was did you instruct the Justice Department
to go after your political enemies? He all of a
sudden didn't hear what she said, do I what did
(33:12):
you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
He falls No, not in any way, shape or form. No,
you don't have to instruct them because they were so
dirty they have they were so crooked, they were so
corrupt that the honest people we have Pamboni's doing a
very good job.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Cash Betel's doing a good job. Wednesday, come into my house. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Then he goes back into how Yeah, they went through
Malania's things. He went off on on what was the
thing picking up her dresses. He was upset that they
went through her dresses and like threw them on the ground.
That he went into a very long diatribe about how
Mlanie is very meticulous and keeps all of her things
very nice and neat, and they came in there and
they went through all her dresses. He's he's still very
upset about all of this.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So the last thing on this was she tried to
follow up at the NSA. Is this rettribution on your part?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Fourth time?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
His response, finally, no, it's the opposite. I think I've
been very mild mannered. You're looking at a man who
was indicted many times and I had to beat the
rap otherwise I couldn't have run for president. They tried
to get me to not run for president by going
after me and by indicting me. That I underlined, and
that was the first thing I looked up, and it
(34:23):
got a little I think I've been very mild mannered.
Comy Bolton, Laticia James all In federally indicted and he's been.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Mild meaning there's more where that came from. That was
my takeaway, don't cross me third term.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He lets this go finally, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I think he finally has made it clear that he
will not be running for a third term. But he
did point out that they have a very strong bench
Republicans and so he felt like it was going to
be good. He didn't want to use any names, but
he said, we got three and a quarter years, so
he's still we got a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Look, this was interesting, it was fascinating, and I'm glad
it's cool to read it instead of seeing it sometimes.
But we went through the whole ninety minutes. I just
wanted to throw a few things in there that maybe
you didn't see. We'll keep an eye on all things
Trump and CBS related. Cannot believe the president was on
sixty minutes. Just the idea of that is kind of
wild right now.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And reading the transcript was well, it delivered. It was
a ride, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, folks, we alway appreciate you spending some time with us.
We're going to give our eyes a break. We were
staring at this computer screen for the transcript a long time,
struggling for a minute. But folks, who always appreciate you
listening on TJ. Holmes, behalf of Amy Robock. We will
talk to y'all real soon
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