November 20, 2025 • 20 mins
After a number of nasty headlines regarding the Miss Universe Pageant, Amy and T.J. decided to record this episode while watching tonight’s pageant. This week, the latest scandal to hit the Miss Universe organization happened after two judges resigned, one of them claiming the pageant is rigged. This comes on the heels of a tragic fall by Miss Jamaica during an evening gown competition and a pageant director stepping down earlier this month after calling Miss Mexico dumb during a livestream.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, folks. It is Thursday, November twentieth, and the Miss
Universe pageant happening this evening. It has been a scandal
ridden Miss Universe pageant already, that's what this episode was
supposed to be about. But Robok and I have been
watching the Miss Universe pageant, and this episode is going
(00:24):
to be about oh so much more. And with that,
welcome everybody to a late edition of Amy and TJ Brogs.
I have had so much fun watching this pageant, which
as we are recording, is still going on. This has
been a blast. And my favorite thing you said, that's okay,
this episode is going to be different. You said, she
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has no pores.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I mean these women, so the Miss USA pageant. By
the way, we're watching it in Spanish, so and there
is no English translation or subtitle, so we're just watching.
We can't really hear, we don't really know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We'll given our own commentary, which has been great.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So these women, they're all stunning and gorgeous, but they're
showing them up close and literally you said that isn't
real skin, and that's what I said, she has no pores.
It's like we were looking at plastic Barbie doll ai
versions of people. Anyway, a lot of them look manufactured.
(01:25):
I'm not saying they are, but yes, it's bizarre. We've
just been fascinated.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Why that was the moment one night for me and
do I have right as we sit here, Miss USA
did not make the she's the finalist.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Oh she didn't make the top twelve.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh right, So I just realized this Usa is not
in the US one of the finalists for Miss Universe.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So that's that we were going to and we plan
on doing this earlier. Look the Miss Universe pageant if
you've been seeing there's been a lot of headlines coming
out of there over the past several weeks that have
not been good. The latest one and we can give
you an update here Miss Jamaica. If you haven't seen
that video, it's been everywhere today. Robe she took one
of the nastiest fall. It's the exact fall that anybody
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who's ever on a stage worries about making. She had
that kind of a fall.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And she was in an evening gown and it looked
at least like six inch heels. You're walking. She had
trains and things flowing off of her dress, and yeah,
you get discombobulated when you've got those lights shining up
at you. And she just walked right off the stage
and took such a tumble she ended up leaving in
a stretcher. But they did update everyone today saying she's
(02:38):
in the hospital. She's going to spend one more night.
They're just going to look at her just to make
sure everything's okay. But no broken bones. Her family's there
with her. She's okay. But what a disappointment. That's that's
not how anybody wants this to end.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I'm intioned as well. I know there were preliminary rounds.
I didn't know this has been going on for weeks.
They have been there and competing for weeks to get
whatever order you say better than I came. But essentially,
what the preliminary rounds?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
All the preliminary rounds, because actually I don't know, it's
like three hundred and something. There are a tremendous amount
of contestants and they would live down to tonight when
we were as we're watching the broadcast to the top thirty.
So you have to have a lot of preliminary rounds
to get scores to rank start ranking these young women
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and then the judges step in and pick the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And so all that has been going on for the
past several weeks. And for the past several weeks we
have been hearing about the Miss Universe pageant, which robes.
I'll be honest, I was interested in tonight because of
the scandal, because of the controversy, and they have had
several knocks. Well I don't know which order to go
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in the most recent or go back to the earliest,
but they have had to replace directors, they have had
to have had judges quitting. This has been a mess
of a Miss Universe. And that was way before the pageant.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Every start, that's true. And the two judges that have resigned,
one of them alleged fraud and misconduct. The other just
said just gave a reason that seemed a little strange.
We weren't really sure why he walked away. But Omar
Harfuch is the one who is a Lebanese French composer.
He stepped down. There were eight members of this judging panel. Basically,
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he claims that there was a secret vote by people
who were not on the judges panel, who were pre
selecting the top thirty contestants who we just saw named,
and he said he's considering filing a lawsuit. He said
he suffered emotional trauma and reputational damage by being a
judge in this before he stepped down. This is what
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he said. I was misled and publicly used to give
credibility to an election process that was all already compromised.
And then he went on to say that a member
of this group had a personal romantic relationship with one
of the contestants. Jees, Christ, this is not what you
want to hear. You've got these young women who have
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spent a lot of time, whatever you think of pageants,
a lot of preparation to get ready for this. To
think that it's rigged, to think that there are people
who are in panels and positions of power sleeping with contestants,
I mean, you don't want to hear that. That's terrible, and.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What you say, you don't want to hear it. But well,
we talk about athletic competition. It's the worst thing you
can hear. If the integrity of the game, If anyone
suggests that this thing I'm watching is rigged, nobody exactly.
That's the worst thing that can happen. Now, I know
the pageant tried to defend itself against all of this stuff,
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and you you know, you know I won't let you.
You can tell what it is and then I'll let
you give your opinion, because you did have an opinion
about how they response.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yes, okay, So the Miss Universe they put out a
statement that said, the organization reiterates that all judging procedures
for the seventy fourth Miss Universe Competition remain official, transparent,
and fully governed by MUO protocols Miss Universe Organization Protocols.
So here's what they went on to directly discuss what
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Harfuch was claiming, and he said that They said that
he was confused, that he was mistaking the judges panel
that he's on with a separate panel that is a
selection committee for a separate social impact initiative, and so
it was two different committees and he was just conflating
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the two. It was confusing the way they put it,
and it didn't seem to necessarily make me feel any better.
It was almost like it was intentionally confusing.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And how do you like Miss Chile's dress?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Missus Chile is stunning gorgeous. So she is in the
top twelve. Should we say? Look, so we're watching it
right now? We can This is a spoiler if you
haven't watched it, But then again, it's fairly certain you
have to watch it live. I couldn't even pause it.
I tried to pause it, so you were you could
see something you miss She looks great. Okay, So Chile
is in there, Cuba, Guadaloupe, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, China, Philippines, Thailand,
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home country there, Malta, Ivory Coast, and called Columbia.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Who do we like? Who is our favorite?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think we really like Chile. Do you like China?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Like China? No? No, no, no, no, no, you remember there
was yeah, but then they rolled the video and there
was some stuff I didn't like, So China No no, no.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No, wait, you like Malta? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, you know I don't like Malta. That's not funny,
you know I didn't like Malta. I can't remember which
was my favorite anyway, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Speaking of Mexico made the top twelve. She was also
involved in another controversy at the start.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Of his pageant.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So you all probably have heard about this, but will
remind you this.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Is this is when controversy started. This was when I
first even realized that Miss Universe is coming up.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, so they're basically arriving in Bangkok, all of the
contestants and one of the organizers of the Miss Universe
pageant there, who is from the home country of Thailand,
was giving a talk to the girls and he was
upset with Miss Mexico for not doing what he wanted
her to do, or not representing or talking up the
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home country as much as he thought she should, and
he called her dumb. And he was all caught on
a live stream, so there was no denying it. Everyone
saw him do it. And she came out and she
said he called me dumb because he has problems with
the organization, and she said he also told her to
shut up and a lot of other different things, so
she got upset, stood up for herself. He doubled down then,
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so several of the contestants got up and walked out
of the room and said they were gonna leave the pageant. Obviously,
they came back. Obviously it all worked out, but it
made the pageant look terrible because he really there was
no denying it. He was absolutely inappropriate, completely disrespectful to
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Miss Mexico and to the to the ladies that were
all sitting there, and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
This is the guy they ended up dumping. He was
in charge, and then they have to send in a
new group of people to take over.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Really bad pr moment for them, and they thought that
was the worst of it. And then now you've got
so you've got the first judge stepping down, absolutely pointing
the finger at the organization, saying there is rigging going on,
there's fraud going on, there's inappropriate relationships going on. And
then a second judge steps down. Do you know I'm
(09:53):
terrible with French names, but French soccer star Claude mckel mckelle. Anyway,
he stepped down.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This was I didn't see the name. I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Not okay, but you know what, let me tell.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You you were singing it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was just okay, I've never so many like accents.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Okay, actually you all, I stay corrected. She is one
hundred percent correct. That is his name, one hundred percent.
You I am one hundred percent. She is right there.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
There is actually E L E L E. And they
all have the little accents over the.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
E Oh no, I don't know, don't know, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Anyway, he stepped down. This is just on Tuesday, so
just a few days before the big final moment here tonight,
for unforeseen personal reasons. Oh yeah, so we don't really
know what was going on with that, but it came
on the heels of our food stepping down and making
all of those bold statements. So it didn't look good
that you have two of eight judges leaving the week
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that the finals going on, and right before the actual
big televised eventon.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know what it did, though, was make me want
to watch. I had no idea that was happening tonight
other than the controversies. She's fell off of stage, the
guys talking bad to a contestant, judges are quitting. Oh,
I'll watch, And so I'm watching for the first time,
and I am we have had a blast watching, And
I still you had to get me squared away here.
(11:26):
I didn't miss America, miss USA. Two different, very different
two okay, very different, very different? Okay, what makes them
so very different? Please make the distinction for me once again,
because you've told me this five times in the past hour.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So and I will say this and full disclosure. I
was in the Miss Georgia pageant. I was only a
runner up to Miss Georgia. But that feeds into the
Miss America program. It is a scholarship based pageant system.
So you get a lot of young women Miss America.
You get a lot of young women who are going
to basically going through the pageant system to fund their education.
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So part of my college education was paid for by
the Miss America program, so they award you scholarship money.
And so you get a lot of pre med students,
a lot of pre law women, a lot of Vanessa
Williams was probably the most famous Miss America unfortunately because
of the scandal that ensued. But wholesome educated, yes, and
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the first black yes. But you know so it's less
of a focus on the looks and more of a
focus of the entire woman.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, what's the focus of Miss Years.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's the looks, Yes, the hotter, the better.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But well no, no, what will they tell us though?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, it really is young women who are looking to
become models and actresses. And so it is. And look,
if you look at their bodies, they're all models. What
I'm saying Miss America does not have that same look.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But the Miss USA organization does not put themselves out
there is hey, we're they give.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You a modeling a modeling contract. Yes, oh yes, no,
it absolutely is modeling. Yes wait what Yes? No, absolutely,
Miss America was more for young women looking to pay
for their education. And it's not that one's better than
the other. The other one is for models and for
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women to get into a modeling contract or some sort
of commercial deal.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I did not know this at all.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes, so you have, yes, the study.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're right, I had these idea.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It don't look real like. Yes, they're models, they're all
like ridiculous beautiful specimens. Yes, it's just about their minds
and more about their bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay. Is there a Q and a session to this?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't know, but my god, I hope there is.
It's my favorite part Miss America. There absolutely is. In fact,
the interview. When I was going through talent, you had
to have a talent, so you had to sing, dance, whatever.
That was thirty percent of your score, and your interview
was forty percent. Evening gown and bathing suit were fifteen percent,
so much smaller. It's a much different judging scale for
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Miss Usa.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, folks, that was the teas. Stay here. When we
come back, we will find out exactly what was roos
talent when she competed in the pageant and just how
did she do in that Q and A session. All right, folks,
(14:29):
welcome back to this late edition of Amy and DJ.
We continue to watch the Miss Universe pageant. What is
that she's wearing? No, no, no, this okay, and she put
it down? What is that it was?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, her dress is stunning.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That that's a good smile. She has a great smile.
It's a what she just threw down?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was a stole, like a big pole tli like
it was wrapped around her evening gown and then she
dropped it dramatically.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I've never heard of that. Like it's a a scarf.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, it's more than a scarf. It's a big it's
something that keeps you warm in the winder. It's a stole.
It's a first dole. That is what it looked like
to me.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I learned so much from you. I've never heard of
a stole.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well you just saw one and there it is sitting
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, yes, folks, as yeah, I continue to watch the
Miss Universe pageant, which has been scandal written this time around,
and look, that's bad for them, maybe it might be
good for the ratings robes later. Because it made me interested,
it made me want to watch, and I have absolutely
enjoyed what I've been seeing. I've learned a lot tonight,
including the fact that this they get modeling contracts. I
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did not know that about the Miss USA organization that
feeds into Miss Universe, Yes, I did not know that
was the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And Miss America you get college scholarship line. Yes, so
it's very different.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So I'm watching one of the stories you told me earlier,
and folks don't know. Let's get it right. You were
in what you were? What pageants were you competing in?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So I was Miss Gwinnett County and I was missed
Central Georgia, which are a part of which Miss Georgia
pageants system which feed into the Miss America.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Pageants where the scholarship ones.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Okay, so you were Miss Gwynette County County. That's uh,
that's pretty good. So you went that made you qualify
for the Miss Georgia correct. Okay, Now did you use
the same talent in both pageants. Yes, okay, so let's
go to that first one, Miss Gwinnett County. Yes, what
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was your talent?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I sang? And I sang Orange Colored Sky? What is
that from? Not King Cole?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Orange colored skot? Oh? I don't know that, not King Cole? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Why because well I won the talent in the whole pageants.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No, I'm saying why that song?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Because I love that song?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh enough?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Did you all have to do a swimsuit? Yeah, con
vision I did. Now, this is what you were telling
me earlier. Did you get to wear heels? No?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So when I told you this, you started laughing because
I was trying to explain to you the difference between
Miss America and Miss USA. Now and Miss USA feeds
into Miss Universe. Now. I don't know. I think the
rules might have changed, but they were trying to really say, hey,
we're not We're really trying to distinguish ourselves from Miss USA.
So no two pieces, only a one piece bathing suit,
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and you can't wear heels. You have to be barefoot.
So of course, like that's so terrible though, like you're
in a bathing suit, you can only wear a one piece.
It's not as flattering to me as a bikini is.
And now you can't put your legs and heels, which
make them look elongated and better. Now you have to
be squatty and be flat footed, barefoot walking across the
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stage because we're trying to show athleticism, not sexy swimsuits.
And yet we were in swimsuits.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And your athleticism is judged and based on your physical appearance.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Correct, Okay, and so what.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Tell me what then, is the point of the bathing
or the swimsuit competition in what we're seeing in Missing
Universe tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I would just say it's, yeah, it's how hot
you are, how how model ready you are, how well
you wear a bathing suit or clothing if you're going
to be selling it to the world, if you're going
to be a model, you have to be able to Yeah,
your body matters. That does make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Then how am I judging that? If I'm a judge
sitting there, how I am literally looking at what a
nice leg? Definition? I'm literally looking at someone and judging
It's not just.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Their body, it's how they're carrying themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's nobody walks this way.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's how they're selling the bathing suit they're wearing in
a sense like how are they? Yes, So it's all
of those things, but it's also how they're moving their body.
It's not just their body, it's how they use their body.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, so you sang the same song in both pet
What was the second song?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then when I actually went to Miss Georgia, I
sang almost like being in love?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's from the musical Brigadoon?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I mean, all I can tell you is the above.
It is a song from a musical called Brigadoon. Okay,
almost like being in Love?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Why actually pick that one?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think my mom like really thought I should sing it?
So yes, and my aunt Patty and they were in
theater and they knew better, and so I just let
them pick the song for me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All Right, folks, Well, uh, we are? I think we are.
We're kind of invested.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We're going to continue to watch probably the Miss Universe
pageant here tonight. But but yeah, we hopped on to
and planned to just talk about some of the scandal
of what was going on and then what was happening tonight,
But it turned into a little more fun than I was.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A yeah, actually, this is the first time you and
I have ever watched a pageant together, and I would
prefer to know what they're saying in English. I'm trying
to do my best to translate, but I'm not really
that proficient at all. But it has been fun to watch.
And yeah, I'll stay up with you. Let's see how
long I last. But no, it's been a blast, and
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this might be a tradition, an annual tradition. And thank
you everyone for listening to us on this evening. I
made me robock alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to
you soon.
Hey, folks. It is Thursday, November twentieth, and the Miss
Universe pageant happening this evening. It has been a scandal
ridden Miss Universe pageant already, that's what this episode was
supposed to be about. But Robok and I have been
watching the Miss Universe pageant, and this episode is going
(00:24):
to be about oh so much more. And with that,
welcome everybody to a late edition of Amy and TJ Brogs.
I have had so much fun watching this pageant, which
as we are recording, is still going on. This has
been a blast. And my favorite thing you said, that's okay,
this episode is going to be different. You said, she
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has no pores.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I mean these women, so the Miss USA pageant. By
the way, we're watching it in Spanish, so and there
is no English translation or subtitle, so we're just watching.
We can't really hear, we don't really know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We'll given our own commentary, which has been great.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So these women, they're all stunning and gorgeous, but they're
showing them up close and literally you said that isn't
real skin, and that's what I said, she has no pores.
It's like we were looking at plastic Barbie doll ai
versions of people. Anyway, a lot of them look manufactured.
(01:25):
I'm not saying they are, but yes, it's bizarre. We've
just been fascinated.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Why that was the moment one night for me and
do I have right as we sit here, Miss USA
did not make the she's the finalist.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Oh she didn't make the top twelve.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh right, So I just realized this Usa is not
in the US one of the finalists for Miss Universe.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So that's that we were going to and we plan
on doing this earlier. Look the Miss Universe pageant if
you've been seeing there's been a lot of headlines coming
out of there over the past several weeks that have
not been good. The latest one and we can give
you an update here Miss Jamaica. If you haven't seen
that video, it's been everywhere today. Robe she took one
of the nastiest fall. It's the exact fall that anybody
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who's ever on a stage worries about making. She had
that kind of a fall.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And she was in an evening gown and it looked
at least like six inch heels. You're walking. She had
trains and things flowing off of her dress, and yeah,
you get discombobulated when you've got those lights shining up
at you. And she just walked right off the stage
and took such a tumble she ended up leaving in
a stretcher. But they did update everyone today saying she's
(02:38):
in the hospital. She's going to spend one more night.
They're just going to look at her just to make
sure everything's okay. But no broken bones. Her family's there
with her. She's okay. But what a disappointment. That's that's
not how anybody wants this to end.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I'm intioned as well. I know there were preliminary rounds.
I didn't know this has been going on for weeks.
They have been there and competing for weeks to get
whatever order you say better than I came. But essentially,
what the preliminary rounds?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
All the preliminary rounds, because actually I don't know, it's
like three hundred and something. There are a tremendous amount
of contestants and they would live down to tonight when
we were as we're watching the broadcast to the top thirty.
So you have to have a lot of preliminary rounds
to get scores to rank start ranking these young women
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and then the judges step in and pick the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And so all that has been going on for the
past several weeks. And for the past several weeks we
have been hearing about the Miss Universe pageant, which robes.
I'll be honest, I was interested in tonight because of
the scandal, because of the controversy, and they have had
several knocks. Well I don't know which order to go
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in the most recent or go back to the earliest,
but they have had to replace directors, they have had
to have had judges quitting. This has been a mess
of a Miss Universe. And that was way before the pageant.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Every start, that's true. And the two judges that have resigned,
one of them alleged fraud and misconduct. The other just
said just gave a reason that seemed a little strange.
We weren't really sure why he walked away. But Omar
Harfuch is the one who is a Lebanese French composer.
He stepped down. There were eight members of this judging panel. Basically,
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he claims that there was a secret vote by people
who were not on the judges panel, who were pre
selecting the top thirty contestants who we just saw named,
and he said he's considering filing a lawsuit. He said
he suffered emotional trauma and reputational damage by being a
judge in this before he stepped down. This is what
(04:53):
he said. I was misled and publicly used to give
credibility to an election process that was all already compromised.
And then he went on to say that a member
of this group had a personal romantic relationship with one
of the contestants. Jees, Christ, this is not what you
want to hear. You've got these young women who have
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spent a lot of time, whatever you think of pageants,
a lot of preparation to get ready for this. To
think that it's rigged, to think that there are people
who are in panels and positions of power sleeping with contestants,
I mean, you don't want to hear that. That's terrible, and.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What you say, you don't want to hear it. But well,
we talk about athletic competition. It's the worst thing you
can hear. If the integrity of the game, If anyone
suggests that this thing I'm watching is rigged, nobody exactly.
That's the worst thing that can happen. Now, I know
the pageant tried to defend itself against all of this stuff,
(05:51):
and you you know, you know I won't let you.
You can tell what it is and then I'll let
you give your opinion, because you did have an opinion
about how they response.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yes, okay, So the Miss Universe they put out a
statement that said, the organization reiterates that all judging procedures
for the seventy fourth Miss Universe Competition remain official, transparent,
and fully governed by MUO protocols Miss Universe Organization Protocols.
So here's what they went on to directly discuss what
(06:25):
Harfuch was claiming, and he said that They said that
he was confused, that he was mistaking the judges panel
that he's on with a separate panel that is a
selection committee for a separate social impact initiative, and so
it was two different committees and he was just conflating
(06:46):
the two. It was confusing the way they put it,
and it didn't seem to necessarily make me feel any better.
It was almost like it was intentionally confusing.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And how do you like Miss Chile's dress?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Missus Chile is stunning gorgeous. So she is in the
top twelve. Should we say? Look, so we're watching it
right now? We can This is a spoiler if you
haven't watched it, But then again, it's fairly certain you
have to watch it live. I couldn't even pause it.
I tried to pause it, so you were you could
see something you miss She looks great. Okay, So Chile
is in there, Cuba, Guadaloupe, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, China, Philippines, Thailand,
(07:27):
home country there, Malta, Ivory Coast, and called Columbia.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Who do we like? Who is our favorite?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think we really like Chile. Do you like China?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Like China? No? No, no, no, no, no, you remember there
was yeah, but then they rolled the video and there
was some stuff I didn't like, So China No no, no.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No, wait, you like Malta? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
No, you know I don't like Malta. That's not funny,
you know I didn't like Malta. I can't remember which
was my favorite anyway, Well.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Speaking of Mexico made the top twelve. She was also
involved in another controversy at the start.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Of his pageant.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So you all probably have heard about this, but will
remind you this.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Is this is when controversy started. This was when I
first even realized that Miss Universe is coming up.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, so they're basically arriving in Bangkok, all of the
contestants and one of the organizers of the Miss Universe
pageant there, who is from the home country of Thailand,
was giving a talk to the girls and he was
upset with Miss Mexico for not doing what he wanted
her to do, or not representing or talking up the
(08:37):
home country as much as he thought she should, and
he called her dumb. And he was all caught on
a live stream, so there was no denying it. Everyone
saw him do it. And she came out and she
said he called me dumb because he has problems with
the organization, and she said he also told her to
shut up and a lot of other different things, so
she got upset, stood up for herself. He doubled down then,
(08:59):
so several of the contestants got up and walked out
of the room and said they were gonna leave the pageant. Obviously,
they came back. Obviously it all worked out, but it
made the pageant look terrible because he really there was
no denying it. He was absolutely inappropriate, completely disrespectful to
(09:21):
Miss Mexico and to the to the ladies that were
all sitting there, and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
This is the guy they ended up dumping. He was
in charge, and then they have to send in a
new group of people to take over.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Really bad pr moment for them, and they thought that
was the worst of it. And then now you've got
so you've got the first judge stepping down, absolutely pointing
the finger at the organization, saying there is rigging going on,
there's fraud going on, there's inappropriate relationships going on. And
then a second judge steps down. Do you know I'm
(09:53):
terrible with French names, but French soccer star Claude mckel mckelle. Anyway,
he stepped down.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This was I didn't see the name. I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Not okay, but you know what, let me tell.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You you were singing it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was just okay, I've never so many like accents.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Okay, actually you all, I stay corrected. She is one
hundred percent correct. That is his name, one hundred percent.
You I am one hundred percent. She is right there.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
There is actually E L E L E. And they
all have the little accents over the.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
E Oh no, I don't know, don't know, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Anyway, he stepped down. This is just on Tuesday, so
just a few days before the big final moment here tonight,
for unforeseen personal reasons. Oh yeah, so we don't really
know what was going on with that, but it came
on the heels of our food stepping down and making
all of those bold statements. So it didn't look good
that you have two of eight judges leaving the week
(10:59):
that the finals going on, and right before the actual
big televised eventon.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know what it did, though, was make me want
to watch. I had no idea that was happening tonight
other than the controversies. She's fell off of stage, the
guys talking bad to a contestant, judges are quitting. Oh,
I'll watch, And so I'm watching for the first time,
and I am we have had a blast watching, And
I still you had to get me squared away here.
(11:26):
I didn't miss America, miss USA. Two different, very different
two okay, very different, very different? Okay, what makes them
so very different? Please make the distinction for me once again,
because you've told me this five times in the past hour.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So and I will say this and full disclosure. I
was in the Miss Georgia pageant. I was only a
runner up to Miss Georgia. But that feeds into the
Miss America program. It is a scholarship based pageant system.
So you get a lot of young women Miss America.
You get a lot of young women who are going
to basically going through the pageant system to fund their education.
(12:02):
So part of my college education was paid for by
the Miss America program, so they award you scholarship money.
And so you get a lot of pre med students,
a lot of pre law women, a lot of Vanessa
Williams was probably the most famous Miss America unfortunately because
of the scandal that ensued. But wholesome educated, yes, and
(12:23):
the first black yes. But you know so it's less
of a focus on the looks and more of a
focus of the entire woman.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, what's the focus of Miss Years.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's the looks, Yes, the hotter, the better.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But well no, no, what will they tell us though?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, it really is young women who are looking to
become models and actresses. And so it is. And look,
if you look at their bodies, they're all models. What
I'm saying Miss America does not have that same look.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But the Miss USA organization does not put themselves out
there is hey, we're they give.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You a modeling a modeling contract. Yes, oh yes, no,
it absolutely is modeling. Yes wait what Yes? No, absolutely,
Miss America was more for young women looking to pay
for their education. And it's not that one's better than
the other. The other one is for models and for
(13:13):
women to get into a modeling contract or some sort
of commercial deal.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I did not know this at all.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes, so you have, yes, the study.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're right, I had these idea.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It don't look real like. Yes, they're models, they're all
like ridiculous beautiful specimens. Yes, it's just about their minds
and more about their bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay. Is there a Q and a session to this?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't know, but my god, I hope there is.
It's my favorite part Miss America. There absolutely is. In fact,
the interview. When I was going through talent, you had
to have a talent, so you had to sing, dance, whatever.
That was thirty percent of your score, and your interview
was forty percent. Evening gown and bathing suit were fifteen percent,
so much smaller. It's a much different judging scale for
(14:02):
Miss Usa.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, folks, that was the teas. Stay here. When we
come back, we will find out exactly what was roos
talent when she competed in the pageant and just how
did she do in that Q and A session. All right, folks,
(14:29):
welcome back to this late edition of Amy and DJ.
We continue to watch the Miss Universe pageant. What is
that she's wearing? No, no, no, this okay, and she put
it down? What is that it was?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, her dress is stunning.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That that's a good smile. She has a great smile.
It's a what she just threw down?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was a stole, like a big pole tli like
it was wrapped around her evening gown and then she
dropped it dramatically.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I've never heard of that. Like it's a a scarf.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, it's more than a scarf. It's a big it's
something that keeps you warm in the winder. It's a stole.
It's a first dole. That is what it looked like
to me.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I learned so much from you. I've never heard of
a stole.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well you just saw one and there it is sitting
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, yes, folks, as yeah, I continue to watch the
Miss Universe pageant, which has been scandal written this time around,
and look, that's bad for them, maybe it might be
good for the ratings robes later. Because it made me interested,
it made me want to watch, and I have absolutely
enjoyed what I've been seeing. I've learned a lot tonight,
including the fact that this they get modeling contracts. I
(15:39):
did not know that about the Miss USA organization that
feeds into Miss Universe, Yes, I did not know that
was the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And Miss America you get college scholarship line. Yes, so
it's very different.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So I'm watching one of the stories you told me earlier,
and folks don't know. Let's get it right. You were
in what you were? What pageants were you competing in?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So I was Miss Gwinnett County and I was missed
Central Georgia, which are a part of which Miss Georgia
pageants system which feed into the Miss America.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Pageants where the scholarship ones.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Okay, so you were Miss Gwynette County County. That's uh,
that's pretty good. So you went that made you qualify
for the Miss Georgia correct. Okay, Now did you use
the same talent in both pageants. Yes, okay, so let's
go to that first one, Miss Gwinnett County. Yes, what
(16:38):
was your talent?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I sang? And I sang Orange Colored Sky? What is
that from? Not King Cole?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Orange colored skot? Oh? I don't know that, not King Cole? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Why because well I won the talent in the whole pageants.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
No, I'm saying why that song?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Because I love that song?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh enough?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Did you all have to do a swimsuit? Yeah, con
vision I did. Now, this is what you were telling
me earlier. Did you get to wear heels? No?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So when I told you this, you started laughing because
I was trying to explain to you the difference between
Miss America and Miss USA. Now and Miss USA feeds
into Miss Universe. Now. I don't know. I think the
rules might have changed, but they were trying to really say, hey,
we're not We're really trying to distinguish ourselves from Miss USA.
So no two pieces, only a one piece bathing suit,
(17:29):
and you can't wear heels. You have to be barefoot.
So of course, like that's so terrible though, like you're
in a bathing suit, you can only wear a one piece.
It's not as flattering to me as a bikini is.
And now you can't put your legs and heels, which
make them look elongated and better. Now you have to
be squatty and be flat footed, barefoot walking across the
(17:52):
stage because we're trying to show athleticism, not sexy swimsuits.
And yet we were in swimsuits.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And your athleticism is judged and based on your physical appearance.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Correct, Okay, and so what.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Tell me what then, is the point of the bathing
or the swimsuit competition in what we're seeing in Missing
Universe tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I would just say it's, yeah, it's how hot
you are, how how model ready you are, how well
you wear a bathing suit or clothing if you're going
to be selling it to the world, if you're going
to be a model, you have to be able to Yeah,
your body matters. That does make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Then how am I judging that? If I'm a judge
sitting there, how I am literally looking at what a
nice leg? Definition? I'm literally looking at someone and judging
It's not just.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Their body, it's how they're carrying themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's nobody walks this way.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's how they're selling the bathing suit they're wearing in
a sense like how are they? Yes, So it's all
of those things, but it's also how they're moving their body.
It's not just their body, it's how they use their body.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, so you sang the same song in both pet
What was the second song?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then when I actually went to Miss Georgia, I
sang almost like being in love?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's from the musical Brigadoon?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I mean, all I can tell you is the above.
It is a song from a musical called Brigadoon. Okay,
almost like being in Love?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Why actually pick that one?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I think my mom like really thought I should sing it?
So yes, and my aunt Patty and they were in
theater and they knew better, and so I just let
them pick the song for me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All Right, folks, Well, uh, we are? I think we are.
We're kind of invested.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We're going to continue to watch probably the Miss Universe
pageant here tonight. But but yeah, we hopped on to
and planned to just talk about some of the scandal
of what was going on and then what was happening tonight,
But it turned into a little more fun than I was.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A yeah, actually, this is the first time you and
I have ever watched a pageant together, and I would
prefer to know what they're saying in English. I'm trying
to do my best to translate, but I'm not really
that proficient at all. But it has been fun to watch.
And yeah, I'll stay up with you. Let's see how
long I last. But no, it's been a blast, and
(20:20):
this might be a tradition, an annual tradition. And thank
you everyone for listening to us on this evening. I
made me robock alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to
you soon.
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Amy Robach
T.J. Holmes
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