December 2, 2025 • 20 mins
Day 2 of the Brian Walshe trial revealed more shocking and damning searches made from the devices in Walshe’s home in the hours and days after his wife’s disappearance. Investigators read aloud the searches that ranged from “cleaning up blood without leaving a trace” to “can you be charged with murder without a body?” Walshe’s attorneys did their best to explain his specific, macabre searches, but for now, Walshe’s defense appears to be an uphill battle.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there, everybody. It is Tuesday, December second, and the
second day of the Brian Walsh trial has concluded. And
just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I
don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty.
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches
(00:24):
this man has put together. They have this searches he made.
He pieces together the murder for us almost.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I never thought that I would say this about a
murder trial where there is no body, no actual evidence
of how someone died, that I could think on day two,
I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You said that earlier. And look, we're trying to give
this this defense attorney as much credit as we can
for what he's got to work with. But man, we
got a better idea even of how little he has
to work with. We've seen some of these and again, folks,
we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing
and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted
(01:15):
to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of but
says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now
for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that
he just found her this way. But Robes sent her
to this story from the very beginning of these internet searches,
and I don't know how you get around this stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It was it's almost surreal what and how specific he
got in these searches in Google, where it was almost
as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about
where his head was in the process of covering up
a murder. And I say a murder because he used
that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable
(02:01):
how often and how specific he got in these searches.
And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the
prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their
opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator
actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just
continue to blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And some of these we've never heard, they haven't been
out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after
jaw dropping moment. This was State Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He
was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand.
He's the one who went through all the computers, all
the iPads, all the iPhones, so he was up on
direct examination and ropes. This thing went on for a
while where this very monotone of prosecutor is asking, very straightforward,
(02:49):
look at exhibit number do da da da? What is
its title? The guy would read it, give the time,
then they move on. So it was boom boom boom,
and you had to listen closely rolled because neither of
their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they
were discussing.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So it's so funny you say that, because I actually,
you know, we're working here and also watching the trial.
I actually got bored because of the way each of
them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice,
there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention,
which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable.
(03:29):
But if they I hate to say this, but they
found a way to make the most jaw dropping text
messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be.
Like it was kind of they they they did the
searches of disservice in terms of what they could have
done with that as a juror. You know, I know, yes,
these are crazy things you're hearing, But when someone speaks
(03:50):
in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if
they tell you that the world is ending and you're
about to die, you still kind of are bored and
nodding off. You know you need so they weren't punching
it the way you would think.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
They weren't there to perform, and that's fine. This is
not who they are.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Sorry, I pamajuror. I'm gonna need a little something.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
From you, and every attorney will tell you that is
the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping,
so we're gonna go through. There were more than the
ones we're going to read, but these were the most
significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole
lot of explanation. So a reminder here This was New
Year's Eve of twenty twenty two going into twenty three
(04:31):
January one is when he partied that night with his wife.
He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean
the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no
idea why now this are the Google and whatnot searches
road starting that night from when that happened. Hours later,
(04:54):
he's on the internet searching for all of these things.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So they begin at four fifty two, and they pretty
much let's just TikTok from there. The first one, ten
ways to dispose of a body if you really need to?
Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell?
About a thirty minutes later? How long for somebody to
(05:16):
be missing? For inheritance?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's a little quick for that one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That was that was his third Google search right now.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given
some thought. It couldn't have been his first time thinking about.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It without a doubt. And so then a few hours
later you get is it possible to clean DNA off
a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon? That
is the common sense inference from that one, all right?
A few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone?
Same actually minute, how to dispose of a computer? About
(05:54):
an hour later, about half an hour later, she is missing?
Can I still use the card? Then? My wife is missing?
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a bizarre one, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Call nine one?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Is that a weird one.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, is he trying to google what a normal nice
would do if their wife was missing, so he could
try to mimic the actions of a normal person.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, now here at about ten forty in the morning,
things get interesting, don't they. Robes ten thirty nine, he searches,
your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now,
the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one. Yes.
Now keep in mind, folks, they do not They have
never found this woman's body, and prosecutors have never gotten
(06:40):
to examine a body, so there is no cause of death.
They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter
how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search
that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever
heard of how she might have died. There is a
knife involved. And then this next one robes at eleven
twenty eight best way to dispose of body parts after
(07:04):
a murder.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from
the defense trying to explain, so we can get into
that in just a bit. But the next this is
unbelievable to me. The next search six ways to dispose
of a body murder, murder, murder? What was that about?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't know. But after that, and this is interesting,
So what after that? But before the next one, About
ten minutes later, he searches Patrick Kerney. Now I'd never
heard that name. We all had to google him. But
he is one of the most prolific serial killers this
country has ever known. And he what he confessed to
(07:48):
I think thirty five murders, but he went to trial
and ended up convicted for twenty one of those murders
murdered young men because he was gay, California preyed on
him and then he would chop them up and throw
them away in trash bags.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name
of a serial killer. Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial
killer name was the trash bag killer. That's pretty damn it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain it
as as a defense attorney at all. The next one
eleven cleaning up a dead body? After that, how to
clean blood from a wood floor? After that? Can I
use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains?
After that? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes.
Right after that, we're still just past noon, folks, just
past noon, And he searches, want to get away with murder?
Use special detergent again, the murder word being used again.
So it wasn't like once, this is now the third time.
(09:07):
I believe this is some.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Article he had looked up about the special detergent.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay, is it better to throw away crime scene clothes
or clean them? Crime scene clothes? Twelve forty four? How
to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains? Four minutes later,
how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he
thought he was going to get a better result. And finally,
(09:32):
a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on
blood stains on concrete?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Okay? That's again he's giving us all these knife in.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The basement, right, I mean, that's what it would seem.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's telling us what happened one forty three? What this
is what he searches? Can the FBI tell when you
access your phone?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh the irony, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Next one one fifty two does the dishwasher clean blood?
And then this one wrote and this was long and specific.
That is the text of it. If you see it there,
it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this
search in there. Is it possible that a knife which
had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's
(10:17):
been washed with hot water and dish washer soap.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So my mind, the only thing I could think of
was that he did know that his wife was having
an affair, and he was concerned that maybe she could
have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, and in killing
her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he
was worried about getting HIV.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's a lot of maybes for that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Of that is a no sense, wild and strange and
specific search. Then at two am, he searches how to
remove a SIM card from an iPhone, the next minute
how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop.
And then he asks the following morning at ten thirty
(11:04):
how long do stores keep security footage? And then at
twelve twenty seven he starts asking very specifically, how to
saw a body.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, in the same minute he asks that another search
how to dismember a body. Soon after that hack saw
the best tool for dismembering a body soon after that,
details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial after that,
can you be charged with murder without a body after that?
Murder conviction without a body? Dash Wikipedia. This does not
(11:41):
sound like a man who just was involved in an
accident with his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Who was worried about his three sons. That is what
his defense is that we learned about, at least in
opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect
these to be the searches from a man who was trying,
who freaked out panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder,
about knives, about blood. That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And a reminder, folks, as you listen to these, his
story is that he came upstairs and she was dead.
He shook her so violently trying to wake her up,
that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't
said anything in his story that would suggest this type
of violence and blood necessarily right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And he said he was he didn't think anyone would
believe he didn't have anything to do with her death,
and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too.
So this is what he is saying. But let's just
continue with these searches at one twelve pm. Can you
identify a body with broken teeth? One fourteen? Disposing of
a body in the trash two fifty one? What powder
(12:51):
masks smells the best? Can I mix White's vinegar to
stop smells?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He continues, the day January third, Now again the wife
hasn't been seen since January one, January third, One fifteen
in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body
smell good? Five o'clock in the morning cleaning up blood
without leaving a trace? Five tips? Six fifty five? Are
footprints easy to wash away? One o'clock in the afternoon
(13:20):
the same day, how long for a dismembered body to decompose?
After that body found at trash station? And after that?
Can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then
another question here, can police get your search history without
a computer?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It turns out the answer to that is yes.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh my goodness, Roach, we don't know what happened to her,
but he just told the story. Now the only thing
we're missing is does something happen just in the heat
of the moment? But he is explaining almost the crime
to us. I don't know how you get around that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
As a juror listening to that, I don't know how
you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't
know how you defend yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense,
and we got an idea of what it was. Yes,
stay here, folks, after the break, we will tell you
what the defense attorney said about these searches and why
the word murder might have been in there. We continue now, folks,
(14:37):
day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial. And day
two already Rose, you're the one said it a couple
of times earlier. I've never seen the trial where I
just thought they could the prosecution you can rest right now, you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Wrap it up right now, and the jury, I would
feel pretty confidently now I get it. The defense has
not been able to put up their defense. But just
from what I heard, I cannot imagine what would change
my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Again, that's why we have to have a trial, right,
we have to hear both sides of what the street
explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to
be tough to get around. Now. A couple of we
mentioned knife blood, concrete. These are some of the things
we were hearing from the first time are broken teeth.
(15:27):
All of these suggest that something violent took place, but
the one that certainly jumped out of people. And he said,
can you dispose of a body? Or how to after
a murder?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He type that in not just how to dispose of
a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Isn't that so interesting?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So what mindset could he have been in short of
being a murderer? Well? What did you make of the
response from his attorney day?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
He was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting
the kind of searches that are the kind of results
he wanted. That it was too generic, that he could
have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something that wasn't
what he was interested in. So he needed to get
really specific. And so by saying murder, wow, it would
make it make more sense that he wanted to figure
(16:15):
out how to get rid of a dead body.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now do you
buy that I am not creative enough that I could
have come up with that? But once I heard it,
and haven't you done a search before? If it's one thing.
Put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food
near me makes a difference. You add things sometimes to
make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm
(16:42):
of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give tip.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'll give tipt In Larry Tipton a little bit of
a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that
I'm buying it. I mean I see where he was going,
and I see where his logic was, and that probably
was the best way he could would have explained why
you would say murder. He could have said dead body.
He could have you know, there was nothing about accidental death.
(17:08):
You know, my opinion would be if that did in
fact happen the way he said it did, he walked
up his wife is accidentally dead, I would be googling
things like how could a woman die unexplained on her
own in a bed like you know, if I was
actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to
let police know, I'd be checking to see how my
(17:28):
wife might have died first before I'd be trying to
figure out how to dismember her body. My god, see,
I just think. Look, the judge said this yesterday when
he first spoke to jurors that this was going to
require common sense, and that is where the defense has
a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges
in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of
you think you can't find twelve people with common sense
on a day to day basis. We have to give.
We have to think that these are pretty average if
you will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right
(18:07):
in front of them.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Correct exactly. And look, there was a lot said as
well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and
possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife.
And I know this is obviously them setting up or
trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case.
(18:28):
But I did think that Tipton had a good point
trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, about the search he wasn't necessarily just searching for
cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that
actually trip the officer off, I thought.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And also saying some of the searches, he said, did
you know, because they're implying that the whole motive is
that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and
was going to leave him, and that's why some of
the divorce searches came up and look tipped into his
best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to
sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would
(19:10):
get what just sales, and it wasn't that they had
anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets.
And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it
doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced.
He he doesn't have a lot to work with, He
doesn't have a lot time. It's almost you feel bad
for him as you're watching him, because you know he's
trying and we know what he's up against. And look,
we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. She said, yeah,
this is a you take it. He has nothing to
work with him.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
He's called it. She called it a poop sandwich of
a case or something to something to that degree. But
certainly that is the case. And yet you know, this
is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money.
They get they get creative, they find a way to
defend these seemingly undefendable or indefen Yeah, undefendable and that
(20:03):
might be I know, is it indefensible or undefendable?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Okay, some of you know it's indefensible.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will
continue to cover this trial and they broke up, broke
off a little early today, but they will be picking
back up tomorrow at nine am and we will be watching,
so stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the
Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening everyone, I'm Amy
Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey, there, everybody. It is Tuesday, December second, and the
second day of the Brian Walsh trial has concluded. And
just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I
don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty.
And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches
(00:24):
this man has put together. They have this searches he made.
He pieces together the murder for us almost.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I never thought that I would say this about a
murder trial where there is no body, no actual evidence
of how someone died, that I could think on day two,
I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You said that earlier. And look, we're trying to give
this this defense attorney as much credit as we can
for what he's got to work with. But man, we
got a better idea even of how little he has
to work with. We've seen some of these and again, folks,
we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing
and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted
(01:15):
to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of but
says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now
for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that
he just found her this way. But Robes sent her
to this story from the very beginning of these internet searches,
and I don't know how you get around this stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It was it's almost surreal what and how specific he
got in these searches in Google, where it was almost
as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about
where his head was in the process of covering up
a murder. And I say a murder because he used
that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable
(02:01):
how often and how specific he got in these searches.
And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the
prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their
opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator
actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just
continue to blow your mind.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And some of these we've never heard, they haven't been
out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after
jaw dropping moment. This was State Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He
was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand.
He's the one who went through all the computers, all
the iPads, all the iPhones, so he was up on
direct examination and ropes. This thing went on for a
while where this very monotone of prosecutor is asking, very straightforward,
(02:49):
look at exhibit number do da da da? What is
its title? The guy would read it, give the time,
then they move on. So it was boom boom boom,
and you had to listen closely rolled because neither of
their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they
were discussing.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So it's so funny you say that, because I actually,
you know, we're working here and also watching the trial.
I actually got bored because of the way each of
them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice,
there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention,
which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable.
(03:29):
But if they I hate to say this, but they
found a way to make the most jaw dropping text
messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be.
Like it was kind of they they they did the
searches of disservice in terms of what they could have
done with that as a juror. You know, I know, yes,
these are crazy things you're hearing, But when someone speaks
(03:50):
in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if
they tell you that the world is ending and you're
about to die, you still kind of are bored and
nodding off. You know you need so they weren't punching
it the way you would think.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
They weren't there to perform, and that's fine. This is
not who they are.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Sorry, I pamajuror. I'm gonna need a little something.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
From you, and every attorney will tell you that is
the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping,
so we're gonna go through. There were more than the
ones we're going to read, but these were the most
significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole
lot of explanation. So a reminder here This was New
Year's Eve of twenty twenty two going into twenty three
(04:31):
January one is when he partied that night with his wife.
He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean
the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no
idea why now this are the Google and whatnot searches
road starting that night from when that happened. Hours later,
(04:54):
he's on the internet searching for all of these things.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So they begin at four fifty two, and they pretty
much let's just TikTok from there. The first one, ten
ways to dispose of a body if you really need to?
Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell?
About a thirty minutes later? How long for somebody to
(05:16):
be missing? For inheritance?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's a little quick for that one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That was that was his third Google search right now.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given
some thought. It couldn't have been his first time thinking about.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It without a doubt. And so then a few hours
later you get is it possible to clean DNA off
a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon? That
is the common sense inference from that one, all right?
A few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone?
Same actually minute, how to dispose of a computer? About
(05:54):
an hour later, about half an hour later, she is missing?
Can I still use the card? Then? My wife is missing?
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a bizarre one, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Call nine one?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Is that a weird one.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, is he trying to google what a normal nice
would do if their wife was missing, so he could
try to mimic the actions of a normal person.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, now here at about ten forty in the morning,
things get interesting, don't they. Robes ten thirty nine, he searches,
your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now,
the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one. Yes.
Now keep in mind, folks, they do not They have
never found this woman's body, and prosecutors have never gotten
(06:40):
to examine a body, so there is no cause of death.
They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter
how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search
that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever
heard of how she might have died. There is a
knife involved. And then this next one robes at eleven
twenty eight best way to dispose of body parts after
(07:04):
a murder.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from
the defense trying to explain, so we can get into
that in just a bit. But the next this is
unbelievable to me. The next search six ways to dispose
of a body murder, murder, murder? What was that about?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't know. But after that, and this is interesting,
So what after that? But before the next one, About
ten minutes later, he searches Patrick Kerney. Now I'd never
heard that name. We all had to google him. But
he is one of the most prolific serial killers this
country has ever known. And he what he confessed to
(07:48):
I think thirty five murders, but he went to trial
and ended up convicted for twenty one of those murders
murdered young men because he was gay, California preyed on
him and then he would chop them up and throw
them away in trash bags.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name
of a serial killer. Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial
killer name was the trash bag killer. That's pretty damn it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain it
as as a defense attorney at all. The next one
eleven cleaning up a dead body? After that, how to
clean blood from a wood floor? After that? Can I
use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains?
After that? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes.
Right after that, we're still just past noon, folks, just
past noon, And he searches, want to get away with murder?
Use special detergent again, the murder word being used again.
So it wasn't like once, this is now the third time.
(09:07):
I believe this is some.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Article he had looked up about the special detergent.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay, is it better to throw away crime scene clothes
or clean them? Crime scene clothes? Twelve forty four? How
to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains? Four minutes later,
how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he
thought he was going to get a better result. And finally,
(09:32):
a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on
blood stains on concrete?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Okay? That's again he's giving us all these knife in.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The basement, right, I mean, that's what it would seem.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's telling us what happened one forty three? What this
is what he searches? Can the FBI tell when you
access your phone?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh the irony, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Next one one fifty two does the dishwasher clean blood?
And then this one wrote and this was long and specific.
That is the text of it. If you see it there,
it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this
search in there. Is it possible that a knife which
had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's
(10:17):
been washed with hot water and dish washer soap.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So my mind, the only thing I could think of
was that he did know that his wife was having
an affair, and he was concerned that maybe she could
have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, and in killing
her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he
was worried about getting HIV.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's a lot of maybes for that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Of that is a no sense, wild and strange and
specific search. Then at two am, he searches how to
remove a SIM card from an iPhone, the next minute
how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop.
And then he asks the following morning at ten thirty
(11:04):
how long do stores keep security footage? And then at
twelve twenty seven he starts asking very specifically, how to
saw a body.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, in the same minute he asks that another search
how to dismember a body. Soon after that hack saw
the best tool for dismembering a body soon after that,
details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial after that,
can you be charged with murder without a body after that?
Murder conviction without a body? Dash Wikipedia. This does not
(11:41):
sound like a man who just was involved in an
accident with his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Who was worried about his three sons. That is what
his defense is that we learned about, at least in
opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect
these to be the searches from a man who was trying,
who freaked out panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder,
about knives, about blood. That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And a reminder, folks, as you listen to these, his
story is that he came upstairs and she was dead.
He shook her so violently trying to wake her up,
that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't
said anything in his story that would suggest this type
of violence and blood necessarily right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And he said he was he didn't think anyone would
believe he didn't have anything to do with her death,
and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too.
So this is what he is saying. But let's just
continue with these searches at one twelve pm. Can you
identify a body with broken teeth? One fourteen? Disposing of
a body in the trash two fifty one? What powder
(12:51):
masks smells the best? Can I mix White's vinegar to
stop smells?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He continues, the day January third, Now again the wife
hasn't been seen since January one, January third, One fifteen
in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body
smell good? Five o'clock in the morning cleaning up blood
without leaving a trace? Five tips? Six fifty five? Are
footprints easy to wash away? One o'clock in the afternoon
(13:20):
the same day, how long for a dismembered body to decompose?
After that body found at trash station? And after that?
Can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then
another question here, can police get your search history without
a computer?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It turns out the answer to that is yes.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh my goodness, Roach, we don't know what happened to her,
but he just told the story. Now the only thing
we're missing is does something happen just in the heat
of the moment? But he is explaining almost the crime
to us. I don't know how you get around that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
As a juror listening to that, I don't know how
you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't
know how you defend yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense,
and we got an idea of what it was. Yes,
stay here, folks, after the break, we will tell you
what the defense attorney said about these searches and why
the word murder might have been in there. We continue now, folks,
(14:37):
day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial. And day
two already Rose, you're the one said it a couple
of times earlier. I've never seen the trial where I
just thought they could the prosecution you can rest right now, you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Wrap it up right now, and the jury, I would
feel pretty confidently now I get it. The defense has
not been able to put up their defense. But just
from what I heard, I cannot imagine what would change
my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Again, that's why we have to have a trial, right,
we have to hear both sides of what the street
explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to
be tough to get around. Now. A couple of we
mentioned knife blood, concrete. These are some of the things
we were hearing from the first time are broken teeth.
(15:27):
All of these suggest that something violent took place, but
the one that certainly jumped out of people. And he said,
can you dispose of a body? Or how to after
a murder?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He type that in not just how to dispose of
a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Isn't that so interesting?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So what mindset could he have been in short of
being a murderer? Well? What did you make of the
response from his attorney day?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
He was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting
the kind of searches that are the kind of results
he wanted. That it was too generic, that he could
have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something that wasn't
what he was interested in. So he needed to get
really specific. And so by saying murder, wow, it would
make it make more sense that he wanted to figure
(16:15):
out how to get rid of a dead body.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now do you
buy that I am not creative enough that I could
have come up with that? But once I heard it,
and haven't you done a search before? If it's one thing.
Put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food
near me makes a difference. You add things sometimes to
make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm
(16:42):
of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give tip.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'll give tipt In Larry Tipton a little bit of
a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that
I'm buying it. I mean I see where he was going,
and I see where his logic was, and that probably
was the best way he could would have explained why
you would say murder. He could have said dead body.
He could have you know, there was nothing about accidental death.
(17:08):
You know, my opinion would be if that did in
fact happen the way he said it did, he walked
up his wife is accidentally dead, I would be googling
things like how could a woman die unexplained on her
own in a bed like you know, if I was
actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to
let police know, I'd be checking to see how my
(17:28):
wife might have died first before I'd be trying to
figure out how to dismember her body. My god, see,
I just think. Look, the judge said this yesterday when
he first spoke to jurors that this was going to
require common sense, and that is where the defense has
a problem.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges
in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of
you think you can't find twelve people with common sense
on a day to day basis. We have to give.
We have to think that these are pretty average if
you will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right
(18:07):
in front of them.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Correct exactly. And look, there was a lot said as
well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and
possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife.
And I know this is obviously them setting up or
trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case.
(18:28):
But I did think that Tipton had a good point
trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, about the search he wasn't necessarily just searching for
cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that
actually trip the officer off, I thought.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And also saying some of the searches, he said, did
you know, because they're implying that the whole motive is
that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and
was going to leave him, and that's why some of
the divorce searches came up and look tipped into his
best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to
sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would
(19:10):
get what just sales, and it wasn't that they had
anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets.
And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it
doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced.
He he doesn't have a lot to work with, He
doesn't have a lot time. It's almost you feel bad
for him as you're watching him, because you know he's
trying and we know what he's up against. And look,
we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. She said, yeah,
this is a you take it. He has nothing to
work with him.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
He's called it. She called it a poop sandwich of
a case or something to something to that degree. But
certainly that is the case. And yet you know, this
is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money.
They get they get creative, they find a way to
defend these seemingly undefendable or indefen Yeah, undefendable and that
(20:03):
might be I know, is it indefensible or undefendable?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Okay, some of you know it's indefensible.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will
continue to cover this trial and they broke up, broke
off a little early today, but they will be picking
back up tomorrow at nine am and we will be watching,
so stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the
Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening everyone, I'm Amy
Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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