June 6, 2025 • 18 mins
As we wrap up the fourth full week of testimony, Amy and T.J. discuss another crazy day in court that included the judge threatening to kick Diddy out of his own trial for trying to communicate with jurors. Also, a star witness is discredited by the defense and the highly anticipated “Jane Doe” takes the stand.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, there're folks. It is Friday, June sixth, the fourth
week of testimony wrapping up today in the Diddy trial,
and Day seventeen was full of headline making moments, including
testimony from one highly anticipated witness and as the judge
threatened to kick Ditty out of his own trial. All
that happened on day seventeen. Welcome, folks to this episode
(00:24):
of Amy and TJ. Rose. Did it happen again that
every day we think all we've heard it all in
something else?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cone I was actually chuckling to myself as you were saying,
another headline making day, because it's just been what's happened.
Even though you have witnesses getting up on the stand
and telling similar stories, there are always new, twisted, horrific
details that you couldn't imagine having actually taken place, and
(00:54):
yet you're hearing a new twist, a new turn, a
new disturbing image is in your mind and in your head,
and wow, yesterday was exceptional.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So we're going to take you through the latest full
day of testimony. Of course, today is Friday, June sixth.
As we are recording this, they're just going to be
getting back to court in a little bit before we
expected another full day of on the stand. The Jane
woman who is testifying under that pseudonym to protect her identity.
(01:24):
She's expected to be on the stand today and maybe
even a couple of days into next week. Brionna Bongalum
was on the stand yesterday as well. She is the
one who was dangled over the balcony allegedly by Ditty
and then Enriquet Santos, who testified about some technical stuff
having to do with text messages but robes. It was
before we even get to testimony. There was a moment
(01:45):
in court that the judge got pissed. And this is
a major no no by Ditty.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's kind of I guess you hear about his belief
that he is, according to the witnesses, a king, a god,
a devil, whatever you want to believe, but something certainly
above everyone else. And so perhaps it shouldn't be surprising
that he didn't consider what the very strict rules are
in a courtroom. If you are the defendant, you cannot
(02:14):
make eye contact with jurors, let alone signal to them
or make any sort of attempt at communication with them.
And it seems like that's exactly what Diddy was doing
not once but twice during court yesterday, right in front
of the judge.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well fairly everybody, But again, this is as strict of
a no no as you can get. You see stuff
like this in movies, defendants, right, mobsters or something, the
criminals interacting, sometimes flirting, even with one of the female jurors. No, no,
that does not have in real life, except for it did.
It's not supposed to happen. Now. I don't know what
didd he was doing here, but the judge caught this
(02:52):
both times. On one occasion he looked over and was
shaking his head, maybe at one particular juror, and then
he did it a second time. The judge everything, and
according to at least this reporter robes in the room
as a play by play at the exact quote of
what the judge said.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, here's what the judge told Diddy yesterday, And you
could tell he was pissed. I could not have been clearer.
There was a line of questioning where your client was
nodding vigorously and looking at the jury. And there was
a subsequent moment we had a sidebar and I looked
and I saw your client looking at the jury and
(03:29):
nodding aggressively. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And that was the warning he said, if I see
it one more time, he's out of here. That was
not as nothing else, if I see it at all.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm wondering based on that admonishment and him saying, if
I see you one more time, I'm throwing you out,
if that could ultimately be if there's somehow a hung
jury or sorry, a not guilty verdict, if there could
be some argument by the prosecution that he tainted the
jury pool, or that he did something to influence the jury,
(04:00):
and they could question the decision based on his actions.
I was thinking that ahead, like, just in case he's
found not guilty, could the prosecutors come back and say
this trial is no good, no bueno?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But is that point blank double jeopardy And they're just
not allowed to do that. They're not allowed to come
back and say, we messed up by allowing you to
do something right. That's diddy. You can shut it down
right now if you want to, and start this whole
thing over. But they didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The prosecution would have to file like grounds for a mistrial,
you have to do it right now, and they don't
want to start over I imagine.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Sweetheart, we can't start over it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But that is so bold and so brazen. I don't
think I have ever reported on that. We've covered a
lot of trials in our several decades of journalism, I
don't think i've I know that I have never reported
that I have seen that or that has been something
that happened in a corporate What was.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He doing to be doing it aggressively? He knew everybody
who was going to see that.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
He thinks he's God. Apparently.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I don't know what a signal would that even be
making to a jury.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
He was I can't tell if he was nodding in
a gri agreement or nodding in disagreement, but whatever it was,
he had a strong reaction to whatever was being said,
and he wanted the juror. And I think, you know,
he's maybe trying to make that one on one connection
with the juror, like, hey see, like we're feeling each other.
He did that with all, according to the witnesses, with
these women, he charming bomb like that's for a better
(05:20):
lack of a better term, he loved b on them.
He made them feel there was a special connection between them,
and then he started to control and manipulate them. It
sounds like that might be a smaller version he's working
the germs.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Oh wow, But that was a huge, huge moment. And
I guess I mean, I actually didn't should have looked
this up ahead of time. What happens if they had
to take him out of the court, his trial goes
on without him? Yes, right, that's he didn't say how
long he would take him out or how long he'd
punish him, but he's absolutely said it it happens again,
he will kick him out. That was a big moment.
The other huge moment Robes was from Brianna Bonglin, and
(05:57):
the defense has been going at her on cross exams
Nation and kind of picking her apart on her memory
of that incident in twenty sixteen when she says, did
he dangled her over the seventeenth floor balcony at Cassivent
Refines apartment? Look, that was eight years ago. She admitted
she was on drugs a lot at the time, and
she was high at the time of the incident. So
they've been able to pick it apart about some small discrepancy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Was she smoking marijuana or was she smoking a cigarette,
was she in her bed or was she standing up?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, but yesterday, though Robes, This was a huge discrepancy,
and it's kind of a big how did they miss
that moment for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right, So she gave a very specific date, September twenty sixth,
twenty sixteen, when she says this balcony incident happened in
La Well, the defense attorneys were able to literally bring
hotel receipts. I got the receipts, like they really had
a receipt. It wasn't just a euphemism, like they actually
physically had a receipt, a hotel receipt that showed that
(06:55):
Ditty was in New York and not just on that day,
but in the days, several days before and several days
after she said this incident happens.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So even if she's off a day or two, he's
still covered.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
She would have to be off a week or a.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Month or the year or something. But it does not
match up. That date does not match up at all.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's interesting to your point that prosecutors would not have
verified if she was giving a specific date, which I
didn't even realize. She had a very specific date and Look,
I'll give her this grace that you asked me to
remember where I was on a specific date or when
something specific happened, even if it was traumatic, I would
have to go back and look in my photos or
in my email or something to try and say, wait,
(07:39):
when was that exactly to pinpoint it. So, I don't
know how that date came about.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The day you were almost thrown to your death from
a seventeenth floor balcony by one of the most powerful
media moguls on the planet. You think you remember that day.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I do think so. But however, if I were taking cocaine,
in ecstasy, in marijuana, it might all be a little
fuzzy that period of time where she said there was
heavy drug use. You might lose track of when happened,
what happened when. You might not forget what happened, but
you might forget some of the details. I'm just giving
her that space. But for them to be that specific
with the date is risky as hell if they didn't
(08:15):
have verification, or at least if they where he was. Yeah,
that seems like a huge oversight by the prosecution and
a huge leap to take if you were actually going
to get that specific and then not be able to
back it up and then expect the rest of your
story to be believed.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It seemed to have thrown them off guard, and she
didn't have much of an answer. I say, Okay, I
just could have been an off or my memories is
a little fuzzy. But this is a witness that the
defense has made some headway with in the cross examination,
and now here is another at the end. This is
a huge discrepancy. He has a receipt from trump Tower
(08:50):
for the almost the entire week surrounding the date she
said he was in La dangling her off a balcony.
This was a tough witness for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yes, and so they hopefully while they're trying to recover
their case with this next witness, correct. I mean, she
has been a powerful, powerful witness. I was reading one
report saying that when she finished her testimony yesterday, they said,
normally you'd hear like shuffling and people talking, and there'd
be some just regular ambient noise. It was silent that
(09:24):
her testimony was so powerful and so jarring that people
weren't speaking, that you could actually hear a pin drop
in the courtroom. And that was distinctive from other days.
I thought that was a really interesting note about what
the atmosphere was like after she testified, And.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
To think that can be the case after we've heard
from Mia, after we heard from Cassiefin to refine all
those days of how all of these stories were, and
still people have getting shook by what they're hearing from
a witness. Jane as somebody who I think she's the
third of four victims that they are actually PRESI denting
their case with but hers is incredibly important. She had
(10:05):
robes that you put it together some there are new details,
you said, I think off the top about the same things. Right,
she talked about free calls, you talk about dating Dittyes,
she talk about violence, and all of those things are
follow almost the exact same pattern of the storyline with
Casivent Refine. But still some of the details that come
out are still new and still shocking. I know this
(10:30):
isn't the biggest deal in the world, but even the
idea that there were twenty four bottles of baby oil
used per session, she says she got that specific.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She said in one night they would go through twenty
four bottles of baby oil. It just gives you some perspective,
because it all seems so surreal to me that you
would have a sex session that lasted twelve hours, I
mean repeatedly and in order, and it's not like you're
just having sex with one person. She talked about having
(10:59):
and being forced to, or at least coerced into having
sex with multiple men, sometimes several sessions with one guy,
then another one would come. And it got to the
point where she fell in love with this man, this powerful, intoxicating,
charming man, and he slowly introduces her to the idea
of having sex with other men, and she ends up,
(11:21):
she says, having sex with other men ninety percent of
the time, when all she really wanted was to have
sex with Diddy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Some of the stuff you just described very difficult to hear,
and what an awful situation for this woman. But she
had some of the kindest things to say in terms
of their relationship, how happy she was and how happy
they were together, how charming, she said, a bunch of
complimentary things. But it's weird to have that come out
of her mouth, and this being the experience she had.
How can you when you dating so you're in a
(12:01):
relationship in ninety percent of that time is spent having
sex with other men that he wants you to do.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know what, though here's and this is what we're
hearing is a common theme, it didn't start out that way,
and so there obviously had to be a charming, wonderful
side to him that we're hearing so much about our friend.
Aubrey O Day talked about how she even struggles with
calling him a monster because there were so many good
sides and good things about him. So when he wanted
to be charming with you, you fell for him head
over heels. And then you're hoping to get back that
(12:30):
that good guy, that man you fell in love with,
and you know he's in there somewhere, and so you
put up with all this other stuff because you're you're
wanting to get back those moments, and apparently they obviously
had to appear throughout so that you'd keep keep going
and keep doing things you didn't want to do because
you were hoping for that moment a taste of that
version of him that you fell in love with. But
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it wasn't just about the intoxicating romance or the desire
she had for him from her heart and from just
all those other places. It was also a financially you
can see how the grooming happened. You fall, she falls
in love with him, then she he asked her to
do things she doesn't want, and then he slowly ends
up taking over her world where she depends on him
for everything from paying her rent, to setting up childcare
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for her, to just making sure that her travels, taking
care of everything. I'm sure a first class and luxury.
And so now you've been introduced to this world of
opulence and you can't afford any of it. So she
ended up not she was a was she a formal model,
former model? She had model friends and they were telling
her she influencer. She was. She was wanting to go
(13:35):
into the website what's that called?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Were they only fans?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Only fans? Yes, where they you know, you make money
that way. He wanted her not to do that, so
she ended up just being completely financially dependent on him.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I thought it was a little I guess Cassie. Even
Toura Fine talked about this as well. Where she I mean,
she wasn't even an artist anymore, right, she was her
full time job was doing these free coms. Well this
Jane said that she'd wouldn't work, she wouldn't travel, and
she kept childcare on standby just in case he called
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and told her to travel somewhere for a free cough.
That's a job, like you're just on standby to serve
this one person that you depend on everything for. And
she did ro she talked about she did these because
she felt obligated.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, she felt obligated. She was hoping to make him
happy so that they could be happy. But then after
he's taken over her finances, taken over her life in
a lot of ways, and she's willingly done this. At
this point, she then says something that we heard from
Cassie ven tour Fine that he then started viciously attacking
her and blackmailing her with those videos of her having
(14:46):
sex with escorts, and that's not something that anyone wants
to be released. And so he now has videos of
her hanging over her head for her to do what
he wants.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But if these folks are lying, they have coordinated really well,
because these stories all sound just the same, like you
can almost just tell this and just remove the names
and just move them around on different stories, because they
all sound like they went to the exact same experience.
He had a pattern, if you believe, if they are.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To believe, you believe, and he obviously had, according to
all of these witnesses, a need that was extreme that
he wanted to be met at all costs. And once
he was done with or the woman grew tired of
doing this unthinkable thing several times a week, even sometimes
for days on end, he would just move on to
(15:39):
the next one, groom them, and then start the whole
process over again. I mean, he pattern is one way
to put it, but my god, it's it's horrific to
think about. And the fact that he was allowed to
keep doing this, if this is all true, woman after
woman after woman after woman, and he knew how to
control them, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This is and we all wonder we hear about this stuff. Yeah,
we know he's a bad guy. He was a bad boss,
he was an abuser. But what does this have to
do with racketeering? What does it have to do with
the charges you're trying to establish here? Again, his criminal
enterprise and sex trafficking. He essentially has someone here who
is moving across state lines, possibly for payment, to be
(16:20):
engaged in well free costs.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yes, thanks, question, You know. It's interesting because we talked
about earlier the defense team having receipts that Diddy was
not where Breonna said he was in order to dangle
her off the seventeenth floor balcony. The prosecution says they
have receipts, so to speak, and plan to play phone
recordings from Shawn Coms where we can expect this in
(16:46):
the coming days that they say showed Ditty and you
can hear him trying to manipulate Jane into saying she
wanted to be involved in these freak offs and then
making veiled references to paying for her rent, and so
you can actually hear they claim, we're going to be
able to hear o the jurors, you're going to be
able to hear Diddy and his own voice manipulating her,
(17:09):
blackmailing her and trying to get her to say something
so he could have recordings to use against her. I mean,
it's wild, but I think that'll be a unbelievable day
in court when that happens.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, that's to come. Who knows if they'll even get
to a cross examination of her today. She is expected,
folks to be on the stand for several days and
she was only up there for a few hours yesterday,
so much more to come from her. We of course,
will continue to keep you updated as your one stop shop,
I think we can go with We go through all
these reports from media members inside and put it all
(17:43):
together here for you, so we know you've been listening.
So thank you certainly for doing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That, yes, and we appreciate that and appreciate you, and
we hope you have a wonderful weekend. We will check
back in with you very soon.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The patent, the tationpos, the ch
Hey, there're folks. It is Friday, June sixth, the fourth
week of testimony wrapping up today in the Diddy trial,
and Day seventeen was full of headline making moments, including
testimony from one highly anticipated witness and as the judge
threatened to kick Ditty out of his own trial. All
that happened on day seventeen. Welcome, folks to this episode
(00:24):
of Amy and TJ. Rose. Did it happen again that
every day we think all we've heard it all in
something else?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cone I was actually chuckling to myself as you were saying,
another headline making day, because it's just been what's happened.
Even though you have witnesses getting up on the stand
and telling similar stories, there are always new, twisted, horrific
details that you couldn't imagine having actually taken place, and
(00:54):
yet you're hearing a new twist, a new turn, a
new disturbing image is in your mind and in your head,
and wow, yesterday was exceptional.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So we're going to take you through the latest full
day of testimony. Of course, today is Friday, June sixth.
As we are recording this, they're just going to be
getting back to court in a little bit before we
expected another full day of on the stand. The Jane
woman who is testifying under that pseudonym to protect her identity.
(01:24):
She's expected to be on the stand today and maybe
even a couple of days into next week. Brionna Bongalum
was on the stand yesterday as well. She is the
one who was dangled over the balcony allegedly by Ditty
and then Enriquet Santos, who testified about some technical stuff
having to do with text messages but robes. It was
before we even get to testimony. There was a moment
(01:45):
in court that the judge got pissed. And this is
a major no no by Ditty.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's kind of I guess you hear about his belief
that he is, according to the witnesses, a king, a god,
a devil, whatever you want to believe, but something certainly
above everyone else. And so perhaps it shouldn't be surprising
that he didn't consider what the very strict rules are
in a courtroom. If you are the defendant, you cannot
(02:14):
make eye contact with jurors, let alone signal to them
or make any sort of attempt at communication with them.
And it seems like that's exactly what Diddy was doing
not once but twice during court yesterday, right in front
of the judge.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well fairly everybody, But again, this is as strict of
a no no as you can get. You see stuff
like this in movies, defendants, right, mobsters or something, the
criminals interacting, sometimes flirting, even with one of the female jurors. No, no,
that does not have in real life, except for it did.
It's not supposed to happen. Now. I don't know what
didd he was doing here, but the judge caught this
(02:52):
both times. On one occasion he looked over and was
shaking his head, maybe at one particular juror, and then
he did it a second time. The judge everything, and
according to at least this reporter robes in the room
as a play by play at the exact quote of
what the judge said.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, here's what the judge told Diddy yesterday, And you
could tell he was pissed. I could not have been clearer.
There was a line of questioning where your client was
nodding vigorously and looking at the jury. And there was
a subsequent moment we had a sidebar and I looked
and I saw your client looking at the jury and
(03:29):
nodding aggressively. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And that was the warning he said, if I see
it one more time, he's out of here. That was
not as nothing else, if I see it at all.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I'm wondering based on that admonishment and him saying, if
I see you one more time, I'm throwing you out,
if that could ultimately be if there's somehow a hung
jury or sorry, a not guilty verdict, if there could
be some argument by the prosecution that he tainted the
jury pool, or that he did something to influence the jury,
(04:00):
and they could question the decision based on his actions.
I was thinking that ahead, like, just in case he's
found not guilty, could the prosecutors come back and say
this trial is no good, no bueno?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But is that point blank double jeopardy And they're just
not allowed to do that. They're not allowed to come
back and say, we messed up by allowing you to
do something right. That's diddy. You can shut it down
right now if you want to, and start this whole
thing over. But they didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The prosecution would have to file like grounds for a mistrial,
you have to do it right now, and they don't
want to start over I imagine.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Sweetheart, we can't start over it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But that is so bold and so brazen. I don't
think I have ever reported on that. We've covered a
lot of trials in our several decades of journalism, I
don't think i've I know that I have never reported
that I have seen that or that has been something
that happened in a corporate What was.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He doing to be doing it aggressively? He knew everybody
who was going to see that.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
He thinks he's God. Apparently.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I don't know what a signal would that even be
making to a jury.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
He was I can't tell if he was nodding in
a gri agreement or nodding in disagreement, but whatever it was,
he had a strong reaction to whatever was being said,
and he wanted the juror. And I think, you know,
he's maybe trying to make that one on one connection
with the juror, like, hey see, like we're feeling each other.
He did that with all, according to the witnesses, with
these women, he charming bomb like that's for a better
(05:20):
lack of a better term, he loved b on them.
He made them feel there was a special connection between them,
and then he started to control and manipulate them. It
sounds like that might be a smaller version he's working
the germs.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Oh wow, But that was a huge, huge moment. And
I guess I mean, I actually didn't should have looked
this up ahead of time. What happens if they had
to take him out of the court, his trial goes
on without him? Yes, right, that's he didn't say how
long he would take him out or how long he'd
punish him, but he's absolutely said it it happens again,
he will kick him out. That was a big moment.
The other huge moment Robes was from Brianna Bonglin, and
(05:57):
the defense has been going at her on cross exams
Nation and kind of picking her apart on her memory
of that incident in twenty sixteen when she says, did
he dangled her over the seventeenth floor balcony at Cassivent
Refines apartment? Look, that was eight years ago. She admitted
she was on drugs a lot at the time, and
she was high at the time of the incident. So
they've been able to pick it apart about some small discrepancy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Was she smoking marijuana or was she smoking a cigarette,
was she in her bed or was she standing up?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, but yesterday, though Robes, This was a huge discrepancy,
and it's kind of a big how did they miss
that moment for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Right, So she gave a very specific date, September twenty sixth,
twenty sixteen, when she says this balcony incident happened in
La Well, the defense attorneys were able to literally bring
hotel receipts. I got the receipts, like they really had
a receipt. It wasn't just a euphemism, like they actually
physically had a receipt, a hotel receipt that showed that
(06:55):
Ditty was in New York and not just on that day,
but in the days, several days before and several days
after she said this incident happens.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So even if she's off a day or two, he's
still covered.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
She would have to be off a week or a.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Month or the year or something. But it does not
match up. That date does not match up at all.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's interesting to your point that prosecutors would not have
verified if she was giving a specific date, which I
didn't even realize. She had a very specific date and Look,
I'll give her this grace that you asked me to
remember where I was on a specific date or when
something specific happened, even if it was traumatic, I would
have to go back and look in my photos or
in my email or something to try and say, wait,
(07:39):
when was that exactly to pinpoint it. So, I don't
know how that date came about.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The day you were almost thrown to your death from
a seventeenth floor balcony by one of the most powerful
media moguls on the planet. You think you remember that day.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I do think so. But however, if I were taking cocaine,
in ecstasy, in marijuana, it might all be a little
fuzzy that period of time where she said there was
heavy drug use. You might lose track of when happened,
what happened when. You might not forget what happened, but
you might forget some of the details. I'm just giving
her that space. But for them to be that specific
with the date is risky as hell if they didn't
(08:15):
have verification, or at least if they where he was. Yeah,
that seems like a huge oversight by the prosecution and
a huge leap to take if you were actually going
to get that specific and then not be able to
back it up and then expect the rest of your
story to be believed.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It seemed to have thrown them off guard, and she
didn't have much of an answer. I say, Okay, I
just could have been an off or my memories is
a little fuzzy. But this is a witness that the
defense has made some headway with in the cross examination,
and now here is another at the end. This is
a huge discrepancy. He has a receipt from trump Tower
(08:50):
for the almost the entire week surrounding the date she
said he was in La dangling her off a balcony.
This was a tough witness for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yes, and so they hopefully while they're trying to recover
their case with this next witness, correct. I mean, she
has been a powerful, powerful witness. I was reading one
report saying that when she finished her testimony yesterday, they said,
normally you'd hear like shuffling and people talking, and there'd
be some just regular ambient noise. It was silent that
(09:24):
her testimony was so powerful and so jarring that people
weren't speaking, that you could actually hear a pin drop
in the courtroom. And that was distinctive from other days.
I thought that was a really interesting note about what
the atmosphere was like after she testified, And.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
To think that can be the case after we've heard
from Mia, after we heard from Cassiefin to refine all
those days of how all of these stories were, and
still people have getting shook by what they're hearing from
a witness. Jane as somebody who I think she's the
third of four victims that they are actually PRESI denting
their case with but hers is incredibly important. She had
(10:05):
robes that you put it together some there are new details,
you said, I think off the top about the same things. Right,
she talked about free calls, you talk about dating Dittyes,
she talk about violence, and all of those things are
follow almost the exact same pattern of the storyline with
Casivent Refine. But still some of the details that come
out are still new and still shocking. I know this
(10:30):
isn't the biggest deal in the world, but even the
idea that there were twenty four bottles of baby oil
used per session, she says she got that specific.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She said in one night they would go through twenty
four bottles of baby oil. It just gives you some perspective,
because it all seems so surreal to me that you
would have a sex session that lasted twelve hours, I
mean repeatedly and in order, and it's not like you're
just having sex with one person. She talked about having
(10:59):
and being forced to, or at least coerced into having
sex with multiple men, sometimes several sessions with one guy,
then another one would come. And it got to the
point where she fell in love with this man, this powerful, intoxicating,
charming man, and he slowly introduces her to the idea
of having sex with other men, and she ends up,
(11:21):
she says, having sex with other men ninety percent of
the time, when all she really wanted was to have
sex with Diddy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Some of the stuff you just described very difficult to hear,
and what an awful situation for this woman. But she
had some of the kindest things to say in terms
of their relationship, how happy she was and how happy
they were together, how charming, she said, a bunch of
complimentary things. But it's weird to have that come out
of her mouth, and this being the experience she had.
How can you when you dating so you're in a
(12:01):
relationship in ninety percent of that time is spent having
sex with other men that he wants you to do.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know what, though here's and this is what we're
hearing is a common theme, it didn't start out that way,
and so there obviously had to be a charming, wonderful
side to him that we're hearing so much about our friend.
Aubrey O Day talked about how she even struggles with
calling him a monster because there were so many good
sides and good things about him. So when he wanted
to be charming with you, you fell for him head
over heels. And then you're hoping to get back that
(12:30):
that good guy, that man you fell in love with,
and you know he's in there somewhere, and so you
put up with all this other stuff because you're you're
wanting to get back those moments, and apparently they obviously
had to appear throughout so that you'd keep keep going
and keep doing things you didn't want to do because
you were hoping for that moment a taste of that
version of him that you fell in love with. But
(12:51):
it wasn't just about the intoxicating romance or the desire
she had for him from her heart and from just
all those other places. It was also a financially you
can see how the grooming happened. You fall, she falls
in love with him, then she he asked her to
do things she doesn't want, and then he slowly ends
up taking over her world where she depends on him
for everything from paying her rent, to setting up childcare
(13:14):
for her, to just making sure that her travels, taking
care of everything. I'm sure a first class and luxury.
And so now you've been introduced to this world of
opulence and you can't afford any of it. So she
ended up not she was a was she a formal model,
former model? She had model friends and they were telling
her she influencer. She was. She was wanting to go
(13:35):
into the website what's that called?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Were they only fans?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Only fans? Yes, where they you know, you make money
that way. He wanted her not to do that, so
she ended up just being completely financially dependent on him.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I thought it was a little I guess Cassie. Even
Toura Fine talked about this as well. Where she I mean,
she wasn't even an artist anymore, right, she was her
full time job was doing these free coms. Well this
Jane said that she'd wouldn't work, she wouldn't travel, and
she kept childcare on standby just in case he called
(14:10):
and told her to travel somewhere for a free cough.
That's a job, like you're just on standby to serve
this one person that you depend on everything for. And
she did ro she talked about she did these because
she felt obligated.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, she felt obligated. She was hoping to make him
happy so that they could be happy. But then after
he's taken over her finances, taken over her life in
a lot of ways, and she's willingly done this. At
this point, she then says something that we heard from
Cassie ven tour Fine that he then started viciously attacking
her and blackmailing her with those videos of her having
(14:46):
sex with escorts, and that's not something that anyone wants
to be released. And so he now has videos of
her hanging over her head for her to do what
he wants.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But if these folks are lying, they have coordinated really well,
because these stories all sound just the same, like you
can almost just tell this and just remove the names
and just move them around on different stories, because they
all sound like they went to the exact same experience.
He had a pattern, if you believe, if they are.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To believe, you believe, and he obviously had, according to
all of these witnesses, a need that was extreme that
he wanted to be met at all costs. And once
he was done with or the woman grew tired of
doing this unthinkable thing several times a week, even sometimes
for days on end, he would just move on to
(15:39):
the next one, groom them, and then start the whole
process over again. I mean, he pattern is one way
to put it, but my god, it's it's horrific to
think about. And the fact that he was allowed to
keep doing this, if this is all true, woman after
woman after woman after woman, and he knew how to
control them, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This is and we all wonder we hear about this stuff. Yeah,
we know he's a bad guy. He was a bad boss,
he was an abuser. But what does this have to
do with racketeering? What does it have to do with
the charges you're trying to establish here? Again, his criminal
enterprise and sex trafficking. He essentially has someone here who
is moving across state lines, possibly for payment, to be
(16:20):
engaged in well free costs.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yes, thanks, question, You know. It's interesting because we talked
about earlier the defense team having receipts that Diddy was
not where Breonna said he was in order to dangle
her off the seventeenth floor balcony. The prosecution says they
have receipts, so to speak, and plan to play phone
recordings from Shawn Coms where we can expect this in
(16:46):
the coming days that they say showed Ditty and you
can hear him trying to manipulate Jane into saying she
wanted to be involved in these freak offs and then
making veiled references to paying for her rent, and so
you can actually hear they claim, we're going to be
able to hear o the jurors, you're going to be
able to hear Diddy and his own voice manipulating her,
(17:09):
blackmailing her and trying to get her to say something
so he could have recordings to use against her. I mean,
it's wild, but I think that'll be a unbelievable day
in court when that happens.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, that's to come. Who knows if they'll even get
to a cross examination of her today. She is expected,
folks to be on the stand for several days and
she was only up there for a few hours yesterday,
so much more to come from her. We of course,
will continue to keep you updated as your one stop shop,
I think we can go with We go through all
these reports from media members inside and put it all
(17:43):
together here for you, so we know you've been listening.
So thank you certainly for doing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That, yes, and we appreciate that and appreciate you, and
we hope you have a wonderful weekend. We will check
back in with you very soon.
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