June 7, 2025 • 24 mins
Amy & T. J. were a little more worked up than usual about a few stories during the daily "Morning Run" this week. So they wanted to keep talking/fighting about them here! In particular, the trans athlete who won 2 state championships in CA, the military dropping a gay rights icon, Love Island & the N-word, and how *NOT* to break up with your bestie.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey theo folks, it is Saturday, June seventh. Thank you
so much for continuing to run with us. We'll taken
a weekend morning run right now. Rose. During the week,
there are a lot of stories on our morning run
that get us going, get us worked up, even get
us arguing, and we don't get to get into it.
So this is where we've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, So we are bringing the stories to you this
weekend from the week that kept us talking or got
us going. And we'll begin with the news. California, the
state of California, was trying to find a compromise. President
Trump signed an executive order saying, hey, We're going to
cut all federal funding from any sort of athletic organization
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that allows transgender athletes to compete in girls' sporting events.
California had a major high school championship track and field,
and they had a transgender athlete competing and guess what,
the transgender athlete one and one big first place in
two events, second place in the third event. And so
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in order to compromise and to not have federal funds restricted,
they decided to add a girl to the podium, so
someone who would have won that the transgender athlete took
their place of got to meddle too. It's a very
confusing compromise that actually pissed off a lot of folks.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You made it crystal clear, though in your explanation it
is confusing. As I'll get out. I'll give it to
your bottom line as a trans girl who won, who
is a state champion in two categories out there in California. Yeah,
Trump warned against this, he would take money. We'll see
what happens. The problem rose, we got back and forth.
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That was so unsettling. So unsettling about the story is
it feels like nobody won with this rule change. It
felt almost humiliating to all sides to do it this way.
So you're essentially just saying, yes, the trans girl got first,
so the person she beat who got second gets to
move up to first. Person, the guy third gets to
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move up to second. Person who got fourth gets to
move up the third. But who's the actual champion? Who
does that help that? Who? The trans girl is standing
there with another girl at the top of the podium
who won, I beat you, but you get to come
up here with me, and.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The records reflect that it wasn't the trans girl, it
was the other girl. And so yeah, no one gets
to feel good about the metal they got because it
kind of feels like, did I earn this? Did I
not earn this? Who is the best? And what's the
right way to go? And I think for most people,
we don't ever want to discriminate against or discourage people
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from participating in athletic competitions. It's part of what makes
being a kid and growing up exciting and fun. Just
feels awful and icky, because yes, if you're one of
the girls, or you're a parent one of the girls,
you might be frustrated at the unfairness of the competition
because of the what most people would point to the
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biological advantages that the trans girl has over a girl
who was born a girl. And so that is a
very controversial and difficult conversation to have. And is there
a good answer? Is there a right way forward? How
else can trans athletes compete? There's so few of them,
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as we know in our population, they couldn't actually have
their own competition because that would be great, except for
who would they be competing against.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's tough we haven't figured it out yet. We have
to figure it out, but this just felt like a
mess of a way to try to deal with it.
And sure enough she qualified and went out there and
won two state championships. She came in third place in
one event.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
The law thought it was the second place. She came
in second place, game and second.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So one cisgender girl beat her out, but beat her
out by just a little bit. They were approaching state
records that Marion Jones broke when she was in high school.
So what I'm saying is this transathlete, yes, got second,
but still did so well that almost competing with one
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of the greatest track athletes we've ever known in this country.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So I started thinking when you told me that tidbit
that what if a trans girl beats an Olympic athlete
or someone who is a storied female competitor like Marion Jones?
Will Will that be okay to have a trans girl
beat someone like Marion Jones record? Is that fair to compare?
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Is that fair for then that trans girl to have
that record over a biological female or a female who
was born I don't even know how to say it
not to offend anyone, but this is a tough cist gender.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think this is what we're supposed to go with. Now,
what is it cis to person? That's what you're born
sis gender girls, this gender girl and born.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I think that is another huge issue. And then
you start taking Okay, we're doing it state by state,
but in international competitions, the Olympics, et cetera. You say,
there's actually a system in place where you have to
take some sort of a blood test and if you
have enough estrogen or enough hormones of a female, you
can be considered a female.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You have to show how long you've gone through this process.
You have to show some say you have to have
gone through for a year or two years. But the
rules aren't uniform all over the world, so we just
haven't figured out.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But the reality is this, would you not say that
most people would agree and it would be hard to
argue against that a trans girl who was not born
a female has a physical advantage in almost every case.
I mean, certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but
generally speaking, there's a reason why men don't compete against
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women because women do not have a physical advantage. Period.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
It is happening incount for you where that governor has
come out recently and said that he believes it's unfair.
He's breaking with some in his own party and some
progressives in his own party by saying that. But he
said it is unfair for trans girls to be competing
in girls' sports.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And I think it's okay to say this because I
know you know. Look, I'm a parent of girls, you're
a parent of girls. We have friends who we love
and know who have trans children. So this isn't something
that is foreign or unusual to us in any way,
and in fact, even in an intimate way. But I
think that you can be supportive of trans rights and
supportive of some of the and and at and angered
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about some of the rights that are being taken away
from them, and still believe that there is a physical
advantage and it is unfair to other girls to have
them competing against people who were born with a physical advantage.
I think that you can have both thoughts and still
be supportive of trans rights. It's just a sticky, tough
situation because no one wants to alienate anyone or make
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anyone feel left out. Everyone wants to belong, and yet
you still have to have a system in place for fairness.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right. Another story that got us going this week and
really got us going. The military has renamed a ship.
Shouldn't be a big deal, I suppose, But it was
what name they took off the ship and when they
did it that was a big deal. It was the
us NS the US naval ship Harvey Milk, named after
the civil rights gay rights leader. They took the name
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off the ship. Robes, that's one thing they said. It
was part of kind of a let's whole dei anti
dei afying of the military since Trump got back into office.
This is a part of that. But Robe, it was
the timing of when they did it, and then it
was coming back and saying we did that on purpose. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Defense official absolutely said this timing was intentional. When Defense
Secretary Pete Hegzeff announced that they were removing Harvey Milk's
name from that ship right at the beginning of Pride month.
June is Pride month, and it was just an extra
gut punch, I think to folks who have been fighting
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so hard for inclusiveness. It was mean. It was mean spirited.
It was almost like ha ha ha ha ha, and
this you know, Harvey milk. If you're not familiar, he
is one of the most yes and if you ever
Sean Penn portrayed him in the movie. This is a
man who was of service, was in the Navy. His
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parents served in the Navy, but he was threatened with
the court martial because of his sexual orientation. He had
to leave the military because he was gay. And once
he finally got elected, one of the first openly gay
men to be elected to office, he was serving on
the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, he was assassinated a
year later. So this is somebody who gave his life
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for who he was, and not willingly, but is someone
who has been honored and revered and studied and we
don't ever want to go back to those times and
repeat that. And yet this just to take his name
and to remove it from nable Ship is just unnecessary
and cruel. And with everything that's going on in the world,
do we really just want to continue to divide one
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another here and say us versus them?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And I hate that cast. Let's say they wanted to
do it and they did it in August, people would
take issue with it. They shouldn't have done it, fine,
but to do it, and you're telling an entire community that,
in this month that is so important to you, we're
actually going to insult you. We're actually going to punch you,
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We actually are trying to inflict harm on a move
we already know you're not gonna like we are now
intend that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
You likened it too, and asked because they have also said, hey,
there are some other ship names that are want up
to be removed as well, including Thurgood Marshal, the first
black Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Can you stay with third Good Marshal Force second February one,
tell us you're going to rename stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
The beginning of Black History Month. Go ahead and say
we're going to start removing names of black civil rights
leaders and pioneers.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So try this on February one. There's a USNS John Lewis, Okay,
February one, make that announcement. Why why would you do
that unless you're trying to give a big f you
to the black community. I would take it as such.
I wouldn't like it if you took it off in
September or December. But if you do know February one,
what are you trying to say to a group collectly?
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This blows my mind. There are a lot of things,
but this to be that that obviously and embracing how
mean we are trying?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, yes, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg same thing. Let's do
it at the beginning of Women's History Month. I mean,
it's just you could get think about that and think
about how that would make you feel with whatever community
you identify with. It is an extra like it's like
they're spitting in your face and it's just unkind and
unfair and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That one really got us talking. You know that, it
got us worked up. If you can't tell Love Island
and the inward, you might know the story by now.
But yeah, Rose, the show too much much anticipation, finally
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launched this week and on episode two, one of the
hotties in the villa was already gone and there wasn't
much fanfair and we didn't know why if you were
just watching the show.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
When you said not much fanfair, that was almost an
understatement because there's a cheeky narrator with a British accent, who, look,
we watched Love Island. I think if anyone listens to
this podcast. You know, we're kind of obsessed with reality.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
For the record, she forces me to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah, I should be charged with coercion. Yes, no,
you are, you are okay, you're right. Sorry, I shouldn't
go there. You are a willing participant. In fact, I
believe it was last night that we were catching up
on Love Island. But in the second episode, at the beginning,
the cheeky narrator says this and only this, Ulyssa has
left the villa, and then moves on there is no
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other commentary, and we've been watching. We actually went back
watched the first episode heading into the second one now
and look, this is a very diverse group. I'm curious
what they even think because this all blindsided them. Were
there was chatter before she got on, because people found
these podcasts that this particular contestant was on. How long
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ago were these podcasts, you know, I don't have the years,
I don't know, but fairly recently. She goes on podcasts
and very casually and very comfortably starts dropping the N
word when she is being recorded with the microphone for
a podcast that she knows is going to be broadcast
or at least disseminated and seem to have zero concern
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that Ulyssa herself could say this and knowing she is
not black, She's Hispanic, but she is not black.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But she is very comfortable using the in words incredibly comfortable. Something.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is that shocking to you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have known folks before who have been around a
lot of black people and maybe hear black folks talk
to each other in this way and sometimes get comfortable
enough in that environment where they get permission to use
it from.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Me, ken, can a black person say it sounds like
she was dating a black man for a long time.
She had like an eight year relationship I believe she
talked about and when you hear what she said, it
was seemingly referring back to him. Can a black man
give permission to a white girl, a Hispanic girl, anyway,
anyone who's non black, to use the word no.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The answer is no. Now, permission in a clothes setting
is just the two of us, the three of us
a certain group is one thing. You shouldn't do that either,
because if word gets out that you're permitting this, you
might be in trouble with your community. But what I'm
saying is there's nobody who can give any person outside
of the black community permission to use the word publicly.
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Nobody gets that permission. You can't. You're gonna have to
ask every black person in America if it's okay, and
we're not gonna give that permission. So this is it
was so casual in how she said it. She didn't
miss a beat or think she said anything wrong, and
knew this was public.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
She just it's remarkable to me that someone that young
would feel so free to do it, because aren't those
young folks also woke and they know what to say
and what not to say. And you can't say this,
and you can't say that. Things that we could say
as kids, you can't say anymore referring to other certain
time types of the population, whether whether you're whether you're gay,
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or whether you have you know, cognitive issues. There were
things that we said as kids that you absolutely cannot say.
And we know that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But you've commented now. I believe that also these kids
these days, they got so many options, they got so
much social media, they got so much, so many podcasts
and so much How do you stand out? How do
you speak or I'm going to be myself I am
going to do. Look, there's another way I saw her
as someone like, nobody's going to tell me what to do.
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I make my own rules. She's comfortable in this setting,
and she just started. She reverted to who she probably
truly is.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
How do you feel, as a black man to hear
this girl say that?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't know the way she said it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
No, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't think she should. I don't get worked up
about people saying the N word. As soon as it
comes out of your mouth, we are done, because it
means you're just moronic. I mean, I can't have a
conversation with you. I don't get upset or worked up.
I've been yelled and called the N word plenty times
in my life, barely flinched. Just it doesn't work me
up like that. And there's a lot of black folks
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it doesn't like you. Just really, that's all you got
after two hundred and fifty years, this is the best
you could come up with.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Still, But is it surprising to you that that people
who aren't black still need to be reminded that that
is a forbidden word.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Nobody needs to be reminded if they're using it. They're
using it intentionally, and you know it shouldn't be used.
This is silly, This is this is a non issue,
and if there's anybody out there arguing what black people
say it, I should be able to say it. Then
you ask yourself, why do you want to say the
N words so much? Why do you want permission? Why
is it so important to you? Now?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Almost like they're trying to be black, like to be
a part of the community. They think they are a
part of the community, and that's highly offensive.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, because you can always go back to the safety
of your other community. I can't leave this black skin
at home. But yeah, you don't want to do the quote.
I guess I'll have to read the quote. Yes, please,
we will tell you what exactly what she said to
wrap it up here, just so you know what we're
talking about. The second reference, I'll do the second one.
Here she's talking about relationships, talking about some dudes U
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was dating, and she quotes, are you efing my inward? Perfect?
That's it, But now I'm efing my in word. He's
my in word? Is what she said. Didn't miss a beat,
so she just reeled it off and it's not like
a slip and oh, I can't believe I.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Said that, also talking about her boyfriend like he was
a piece of property to be owned. So I feel
like that was an extra dig and reference to things
we should not be.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Talking, you know what. The other thing, there's no reference
to it on the show, and there might never be
one for this reason. They all have been in that
villa for a little while doing some pre production stuff,
so they've been off the grid. All their phones have
been taken.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, they don't have access to.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The producers aren't telling them and they have no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because they're in Fiji right now shooting it. Because if
this is a week two weeks show, so basically, if
you're a fan of the show, you can call in
and you can vote on who your favorite couple is.
You can actually contribute to who gets voted off or not.
So this is in real time.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's possible they have no idea what's going on. It's
possible she had no idea until she came out, because
there were reports of like friends of hers have been
online frantically responding on social media trying to defend her.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's not working and it's not going away.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I wait to hear from her, but let's end with
one other future this week. Okay, people you know by
now Trump and Elon broke up. There's a bunch of
billionaire bickering. But they went back and forth on social media,
with Trump saying he was wearing thin. I'm very disappointed
he was not in favor of my bill. And now
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Elon has gone pretty much nuclear, accused Trump of being
in the Epstein files and said that's why we haven't
seen them, and a whole bunch of other jaw dropping stuff.
But it got us to thinking. Roll this stuff got
nasty and personal and quick.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Man, it heated up fast.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
It was a matter of hours this was over.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They were back and forth, just eviscerating each other on
social media for all to see. It's one thing if
you're texting someone back and forth, but man, this was
a public display of it was so this is the
biggest feud, the biggest battle I have ever seen between
two people that I can recall.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We got to be missing in history.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well it got us thinking. You actually asked, like, what
other feuds can you think of? What other public breakups, divorces,
just battles have escalated. And I looked it up these
celebrity battle and it's actually quite funny. But truthfully, I
don't think any of these rise to the level of
what we saw yesterday. The number one that you see
pop up is Kanye weston Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, I don't really because she never got into a
nasty back and forth with him.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They had some lyrics back and forth referencing one another,
or was it mostly Kanye references? It was Taylor. She
was actually already like, yeah, I'm good. I'm pretty much
good with my swifties and my like mega hits and
my platinum albums and I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But the moment on stage is pretty awful when he
jumped up there and took her, so I guess maybe
they were.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Speaking of jumping up on stage. Another one referenced Will
Smith and Chris Rock, but Chris Rock was was was
the hero in that, but.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He came a public view when he did his stand
up and he took some shots back. But okay, I
wouldn't have put that one up there, But okay.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's up there. They have. There's some fun got violent
that one that one. Actually guess that one turned physical,
so there is that they go back. They have Britney
Spears and Christina Aguilera. That was so long ago. I
don't really remember that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I thought that was kind of a musical.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It was, it was, and like there's a lot of
the musical things. So they have Biggie Smalls and Tupac.
We also know recently we had Drake and Kendrick Lamar.
Obviously that one turned Grammy's Super Bowl. Yes, yes, all
sorts of all ships rose on that one. Like Drake's
killing it right now. Obviously Kendrick Lamar is killing it
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right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But a rat that's what a rap beef is supposed
to be, not a public feud between the president and
the richest man on earth.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's they talk about Gwyneth Paltrow and Martha Stewart.
I didn't even oh, Lady Gaga and Madonna, but that again,
it was about like who's imitating whom? Like Madonna thought
that Lady Gaga was stealing her stuff and so that
she was basically riding on her coat tails and she
was getting none of the credit.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Did you Gaga go back at her?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I can say, I just don't remember that one at all.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
They see Born this Way was the one that Madonna
was upset about. She's so it was mostly Madonna being
upset with gagat who else? Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That was that was that one was ugly. That was ugly.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Okay, you know, they don't even have on here because
we were trying to think of really ugly divorces like
Brad Pitt and Angelina or Brad Pitt and Jennifer. Both
of those were bad. Jennifer Aniston public neither one went
well trying to there's they go back to, like Joan
Crawford and Betty Davis. But this is a lot about
This is a lot about artists competing with one another.
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Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan. There's just all these little feuds.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
What you're saying is we're seeing something like we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Before one percent, because like Mariah Carey versus eminem what
was that? I don't even know what that. But these
are all the ones that are listed and you can
go through them, and it's true they pale in comparison
to what we saw yesterday. So it does bolster our
belief that, yes, this is the most brazen, insane public
feud that we have ever seen in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe the most expensive divorce as well, because it calls
elon thirty four billion personal value because stock went down.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And who's going to back off, Who's going to back down,
Who's going to say uncle, who's going to wave the
white flag?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Nope? No, I have not. Have you seen either one
of them do so in any circumstance, and now a
public one against a guy with as much money, for
the most part as you have and as much power
as you have. To tell the president in a tweet,
he wouldn't have won the election.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Without me, He was ungrateful that where's the gratitude.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Gratitude? Oh, Donald Trump should be grateful to me?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
WHOA, Oh my goodness. Yes, we will see how that
all unfolds. But I have a feeling in that battle
everyone's going to lose, not just Musk and his thirty
four billion dollars. We're all going to pay the price
for this. So let's hope that maybe maybe one of
them could show some humility at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That is hilarious, and so we'll end on that comedic note.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Amy Buck praying for peace and humility.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Folks, We appreciate you running with us as always, and
enjoy the rest of your Saturday.
Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey theo folks, it is Saturday, June seventh. Thank you
so much for continuing to run with us. We'll taken
a weekend morning run right now. Rose. During the week,
there are a lot of stories on our morning run
that get us going, get us worked up, even get
us arguing, and we don't get to get into it.
So this is where we've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, So we are bringing the stories to you this
weekend from the week that kept us talking or got
us going. And we'll begin with the news. California, the
state of California, was trying to find a compromise. President
Trump signed an executive order saying, hey, We're going to
cut all federal funding from any sort of athletic organization
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that allows transgender athletes to compete in girls' sporting events.
California had a major high school championship track and field,
and they had a transgender athlete competing and guess what,
the transgender athlete one and one big first place in
two events, second place in the third event. And so
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in order to compromise and to not have federal funds restricted,
they decided to add a girl to the podium, so
someone who would have won that the transgender athlete took
their place of got to meddle too. It's a very
confusing compromise that actually pissed off a lot of folks.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You made it crystal clear, though in your explanation it
is confusing. As I'll get out. I'll give it to
your bottom line as a trans girl who won, who
is a state champion in two categories out there in California. Yeah,
Trump warned against this, he would take money. We'll see
what happens. The problem rose, we got back and forth.
(01:51):
That was so unsettling. So unsettling about the story is
it feels like nobody won with this rule change. It
felt almost humiliating to all sides to do it this way.
So you're essentially just saying, yes, the trans girl got first,
so the person she beat who got second gets to
move up to first. Person, the guy third gets to
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move up to second. Person who got fourth gets to
move up the third. But who's the actual champion? Who
does that help that? Who? The trans girl is standing
there with another girl at the top of the podium
who won, I beat you, but you get to come
up here with me, and.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The records reflect that it wasn't the trans girl, it
was the other girl. And so yeah, no one gets
to feel good about the metal they got because it
kind of feels like, did I earn this? Did I
not earn this? Who is the best? And what's the
right way to go? And I think for most people,
we don't ever want to discriminate against or discourage people
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from participating in athletic competitions. It's part of what makes
being a kid and growing up exciting and fun. Just
feels awful and icky, because yes, if you're one of
the girls, or you're a parent one of the girls,
you might be frustrated at the unfairness of the competition
because of the what most people would point to the
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biological advantages that the trans girl has over a girl
who was born a girl. And so that is a
very controversial and difficult conversation to have. And is there
a good answer? Is there a right way forward? How
else can trans athletes compete? There's so few of them,
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as we know in our population, they couldn't actually have
their own competition because that would be great, except for
who would they be competing against.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's tough we haven't figured it out yet. We have
to figure it out, but this just felt like a
mess of a way to try to deal with it.
And sure enough she qualified and went out there and
won two state championships. She came in third place in
one event.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
The law thought it was the second place. She came
in second place, game and second.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So one cisgender girl beat her out, but beat her
out by just a little bit. They were approaching state
records that Marion Jones broke when she was in high school.
So what I'm saying is this transathlete, yes, got second,
but still did so well that almost competing with one
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of the greatest track athletes we've ever known in this country.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So I started thinking when you told me that tidbit
that what if a trans girl beats an Olympic athlete
or someone who is a storied female competitor like Marion Jones?
Will Will that be okay to have a trans girl
beat someone like Marion Jones record? Is that fair to compare?
(04:45):
Is that fair for then that trans girl to have
that record over a biological female or a female who
was born I don't even know how to say it
not to offend anyone, but this is a tough cist gender.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think this is what we're supposed to go with. Now,
what is it cis to person? That's what you're born
sis gender girls, this gender girl and born.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But I think that is another huge issue. And then
you start taking Okay, we're doing it state by state,
but in international competitions, the Olympics, et cetera. You say,
there's actually a system in place where you have to
take some sort of a blood test and if you
have enough estrogen or enough hormones of a female, you
can be considered a female.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You have to show how long you've gone through this process.
You have to show some say you have to have
gone through for a year or two years. But the
rules aren't uniform all over the world, so we just
haven't figured out.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But the reality is this, would you not say that
most people would agree and it would be hard to
argue against that a trans girl who was not born
a female has a physical advantage in almost every case.
I mean, certainly there are exceptions to the rule, but
generally speaking, there's a reason why men don't compete against
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women because women do not have a physical advantage. Period.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
It is happening incount for you where that governor has
come out recently and said that he believes it's unfair.
He's breaking with some in his own party and some
progressives in his own party by saying that. But he
said it is unfair for trans girls to be competing
in girls' sports.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And I think it's okay to say this because I
know you know. Look, I'm a parent of girls, you're
a parent of girls. We have friends who we love
and know who have trans children. So this isn't something
that is foreign or unusual to us in any way,
and in fact, even in an intimate way. But I
think that you can be supportive of trans rights and
supportive of some of the and and at and angered
(06:39):
about some of the rights that are being taken away
from them, and still believe that there is a physical
advantage and it is unfair to other girls to have
them competing against people who were born with a physical advantage.
I think that you can have both thoughts and still
be supportive of trans rights. It's just a sticky, tough
situation because no one wants to alienate anyone or make
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anyone feel left out. Everyone wants to belong, and yet
you still have to have a system in place for fairness.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right. Another story that got us going this week and
really got us going. The military has renamed a ship.
Shouldn't be a big deal, I suppose, But it was
what name they took off the ship and when they
did it that was a big deal. It was the
us NS the US naval ship Harvey Milk, named after
the civil rights gay rights leader. They took the name
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off the ship. Robes, that's one thing they said. It
was part of kind of a let's whole dei anti
dei afying of the military since Trump got back into office.
This is a part of that. But Robe, it was
the timing of when they did it, and then it
was coming back and saying we did that on purpose. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Defense official absolutely said this timing was intentional. When Defense
Secretary Pete Hegzeff announced that they were removing Harvey Milk's
name from that ship right at the beginning of Pride month.
June is Pride month, and it was just an extra
gut punch, I think to folks who have been fighting
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so hard for inclusiveness. It was mean. It was mean spirited.
It was almost like ha ha ha ha ha, and
this you know, Harvey milk. If you're not familiar, he
is one of the most yes and if you ever
Sean Penn portrayed him in the movie. This is a
man who was of service, was in the Navy. His
(08:35):
parents served in the Navy, but he was threatened with
the court martial because of his sexual orientation. He had
to leave the military because he was gay. And once
he finally got elected, one of the first openly gay
men to be elected to office, he was serving on
the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, he was assassinated a
year later. So this is somebody who gave his life
(08:56):
for who he was, and not willingly, but is someone
who has been honored and revered and studied and we
don't ever want to go back to those times and
repeat that. And yet this just to take his name
and to remove it from nable Ship is just unnecessary
and cruel. And with everything that's going on in the world,
do we really just want to continue to divide one
(09:20):
another here and say us versus them?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And I hate that cast. Let's say they wanted to
do it and they did it in August, people would
take issue with it. They shouldn't have done it, fine,
but to do it, and you're telling an entire community that,
in this month that is so important to you, we're
actually going to insult you. We're actually going to punch you,
(09:45):
We actually are trying to inflict harm on a move
we already know you're not gonna like we are now
intend that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
You likened it too, and asked because they have also said, hey,
there are some other ship names that are want up
to be removed as well, including Thurgood Marshal, the first
black Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Can you stay with third Good Marshal Force second February one,
tell us you're going to rename stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
The beginning of Black History Month. Go ahead and say
we're going to start removing names of black civil rights
leaders and pioneers.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So try this on February one. There's a USNS John Lewis, Okay,
February one, make that announcement. Why why would you do
that unless you're trying to give a big f you
to the black community. I would take it as such.
I wouldn't like it if you took it off in
September or December. But if you do know February one,
what are you trying to say to a group collectly?
(10:44):
This blows my mind. There are a lot of things,
but this to be that that obviously and embracing how
mean we are trying?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yes, yes, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg same thing. Let's do
it at the beginning of Women's History Month. I mean,
it's just you could get think about that and think
about how that would make you feel with whatever community
you identify with. It is an extra like it's like
they're spitting in your face and it's just unkind and
unfair and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That one really got us talking. You know that, it
got us worked up. If you can't tell Love Island
and the inward, you might know the story by now.
But yeah, Rose, the show too much much anticipation, finally
(11:35):
launched this week and on episode two, one of the
hotties in the villa was already gone and there wasn't
much fanfair and we didn't know why if you were
just watching the show.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
When you said not much fanfair, that was almost an
understatement because there's a cheeky narrator with a British accent, who, look,
we watched Love Island. I think if anyone listens to
this podcast. You know, we're kind of obsessed with reality.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
For the record, she forces me to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah, I should be charged with coercion. Yes, no,
you are, you are okay, you're right. Sorry, I shouldn't
go there. You are a willing participant. In fact, I
believe it was last night that we were catching up
on Love Island. But in the second episode, at the beginning,
the cheeky narrator says this and only this, Ulyssa has
left the villa, and then moves on there is no
(12:26):
other commentary, and we've been watching. We actually went back
watched the first episode heading into the second one now
and look, this is a very diverse group. I'm curious
what they even think because this all blindsided them. Were
there was chatter before she got on, because people found
these podcasts that this particular contestant was on. How long
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ago were these podcasts, you know, I don't have the years,
I don't know, but fairly recently. She goes on podcasts
and very casually and very comfortably starts dropping the N
word when she is being recorded with the microphone for
a podcast that she knows is going to be broadcast
or at least disseminated and seem to have zero concern
(13:09):
that Ulyssa herself could say this and knowing she is
not black, She's Hispanic, but she is not black.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But she is very comfortable using the in words incredibly comfortable. Something.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is that shocking to you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I have known folks before who have been around a
lot of black people and maybe hear black folks talk
to each other in this way and sometimes get comfortable
enough in that environment where they get permission to use
it from.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Me, ken, can a black person say it sounds like
she was dating a black man for a long time.
She had like an eight year relationship I believe she
talked about and when you hear what she said, it
was seemingly referring back to him. Can a black man
give permission to a white girl, a Hispanic girl, anyway,
anyone who's non black, to use the word no.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The answer is no. Now, permission in a clothes setting
is just the two of us, the three of us
a certain group is one thing. You shouldn't do that either,
because if word gets out that you're permitting this, you
might be in trouble with your community. But what I'm
saying is there's nobody who can give any person outside
of the black community permission to use the word publicly.
(14:24):
Nobody gets that permission. You can't. You're gonna have to
ask every black person in America if it's okay, and
we're not gonna give that permission. So this is it
was so casual in how she said it. She didn't
miss a beat or think she said anything wrong, and
knew this was public.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
She just it's remarkable to me that someone that young
would feel so free to do it, because aren't those
young folks also woke and they know what to say
and what not to say. And you can't say this,
and you can't say that. Things that we could say
as kids, you can't say anymore referring to other certain
time types of the population, whether whether you're whether you're gay,
(15:03):
or whether you have you know, cognitive issues. There were
things that we said as kids that you absolutely cannot say.
And we know that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But you've commented now. I believe that also these kids
these days, they got so many options, they got so
much social media, they got so much, so many podcasts
and so much How do you stand out? How do
you speak or I'm going to be myself I am
going to do. Look, there's another way I saw her
as someone like, nobody's going to tell me what to do.
(15:33):
I make my own rules. She's comfortable in this setting,
and she just started. She reverted to who she probably
truly is.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
How do you feel, as a black man to hear
this girl say that?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I don't know the way she said it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
No, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't think she should. I don't get worked up
about people saying the N word. As soon as it
comes out of your mouth, we are done, because it
means you're just moronic. I mean, I can't have a
conversation with you. I don't get upset or worked up.
I've been yelled and called the N word plenty times
in my life, barely flinched. Just it doesn't work me
up like that. And there's a lot of black folks
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it doesn't like you. Just really, that's all you got
after two hundred and fifty years, this is the best
you could come up with.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Still, But is it surprising to you that that people
who aren't black still need to be reminded that that
is a forbidden word.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Nobody needs to be reminded if they're using it. They're
using it intentionally, and you know it shouldn't be used.
This is silly, This is this is a non issue,
and if there's anybody out there arguing what black people
say it, I should be able to say it. Then
you ask yourself, why do you want to say the
N words so much? Why do you want permission? Why
is it so important to you? Now?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Almost like they're trying to be black, like to be
a part of the community. They think they are a
part of the community, and that's highly offensive.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, because you can always go back to the safety
of your other community. I can't leave this black skin
at home. But yeah, you don't want to do the quote.
I guess I'll have to read the quote. Yes, please,
we will tell you what exactly what she said to
wrap it up here, just so you know what we're
talking about. The second reference, I'll do the second one.
Here she's talking about relationships, talking about some dudes U
(17:14):
was dating, and she quotes, are you efing my inward? Perfect?
That's it, But now I'm efing my in word. He's
my in word? Is what she said. Didn't miss a beat,
so she just reeled it off and it's not like
a slip and oh, I can't believe I.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Said that, also talking about her boyfriend like he was
a piece of property to be owned. So I feel
like that was an extra dig and reference to things
we should not be.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Talking, you know what. The other thing, there's no reference
to it on the show, and there might never be
one for this reason. They all have been in that
villa for a little while doing some pre production stuff,
so they've been off the grid. All their phones have
been taken.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, they don't have access to.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The producers aren't telling them and they have no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because they're in Fiji right now shooting it. Because if
this is a week two weeks show, so basically, if
you're a fan of the show, you can call in
and you can vote on who your favorite couple is.
You can actually contribute to who gets voted off or not.
So this is in real time.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's possible they have no idea what's going on. It's
possible she had no idea until she came out, because
there were reports of like friends of hers have been
online frantically responding on social media trying to defend her.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's not working and it's not going away.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I wait to hear from her, but let's end with
one other future this week. Okay, people you know by
now Trump and Elon broke up. There's a bunch of
billionaire bickering. But they went back and forth on social media,
with Trump saying he was wearing thin. I'm very disappointed
he was not in favor of my bill. And now
(18:59):
Elon has gone pretty much nuclear, accused Trump of being
in the Epstein files and said that's why we haven't
seen them, and a whole bunch of other jaw dropping stuff.
But it got us to thinking. Roll this stuff got
nasty and personal and quick.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Man, it heated up fast.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
It was a matter of hours this was over.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They were back and forth, just eviscerating each other on
social media for all to see. It's one thing if
you're texting someone back and forth, but man, this was
a public display of it was so this is the
biggest feud, the biggest battle I have ever seen between
two people that I can recall.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
We got to be missing in history.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well it got us thinking. You actually asked, like, what
other feuds can you think of? What other public breakups, divorces,
just battles have escalated. And I looked it up these
celebrity battle and it's actually quite funny. But truthfully, I
don't think any of these rise to the level of
what we saw yesterday. The number one that you see
pop up is Kanye weston Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, I don't really because she never got into a
nasty back and forth with him.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They had some lyrics back and forth referencing one another,
or was it mostly Kanye references? It was Taylor. She
was actually already like, yeah, I'm good. I'm pretty much
good with my swifties and my like mega hits and
my platinum albums and I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But the moment on stage is pretty awful when he
jumped up there and took her, so I guess maybe
they were.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Speaking of jumping up on stage. Another one referenced Will
Smith and Chris Rock, but Chris Rock was was was
the hero in that, but.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He came a public view when he did his stand
up and he took some shots back. But okay, I
wouldn't have put that one up there, But okay.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's up there. They have. There's some fun got violent
that one that one. Actually guess that one turned physical,
so there is that they go back. They have Britney
Spears and Christina Aguilera. That was so long ago. I
don't really remember that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I thought that was kind of a musical.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It was, it was, and like there's a lot of
the musical things. So they have Biggie Smalls and Tupac.
We also know recently we had Drake and Kendrick Lamar.
Obviously that one turned Grammy's Super Bowl. Yes, yes, all
sorts of all ships rose on that one. Like Drake's
killing it right now. Obviously Kendrick Lamar is killing it
(21:19):
right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But a rat that's what a rap beef is supposed
to be, not a public feud between the president and
the richest man on earth.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's they talk about Gwyneth Paltrow and Martha Stewart.
I didn't even oh, Lady Gaga and Madonna, but that again,
it was about like who's imitating whom? Like Madonna thought
that Lady Gaga was stealing her stuff and so that
she was basically riding on her coat tails and she
was getting none of the credit.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Did you Gaga go back at her?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I can say, I just don't remember that one at all.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
They see Born this Way was the one that Madonna
was upset about. She's so it was mostly Madonna being
upset with gagat who else? Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That was that was that one was ugly. That was ugly.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Okay, you know, they don't even have on here because
we were trying to think of really ugly divorces like
Brad Pitt and Angelina or Brad Pitt and Jennifer. Both
of those were bad. Jennifer Aniston public neither one went
well trying to there's they go back to, like Joan
Crawford and Betty Davis. But this is a lot about
This is a lot about artists competing with one another.
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Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan. There's just all these little feuds.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
What you're saying is we're seeing something like we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Before one percent, because like Mariah Carey versus eminem what
was that? I don't even know what that. But these
are all the ones that are listed and you can
go through them, and it's true they pale in comparison
to what we saw yesterday. So it does bolster our
belief that, yes, this is the most brazen, insane public
feud that we have ever seen in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe the most expensive divorce as well, because it calls
elon thirty four billion personal value because stock went down.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And who's going to back off, Who's going to back down,
Who's going to say uncle, who's going to wave the
white flag?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Nope? No, I have not. Have you seen either one
of them do so in any circumstance, and now a
public one against a guy with as much money, for
the most part as you have and as much power
as you have. To tell the president in a tweet,
he wouldn't have won the election.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Without me, He was ungrateful that where's the gratitude.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Gratitude? Oh, Donald Trump should be grateful to me?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
WHOA, Oh my goodness. Yes, we will see how that
all unfolds. But I have a feeling in that battle
everyone's going to lose, not just Musk and his thirty
four billion dollars. We're all going to pay the price
for this. So let's hope that maybe maybe one of
them could show some humility at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That is hilarious, and so we'll end on that comedic note.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Amy Buck praying for peace and humility.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Folks, We appreciate you running with us as always, and
enjoy the rest of your Saturday.
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