September 11, 2025 • 18 mins
Members of Congress are cancelling their events. Students were sent scrambling today after threats at several HBCUs. And people are losing their jobs for insensitive social media remarks. Amy and T.J. address the fear and fallout of the killing of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh. Classes are
being canceled, campuses are on lockdown, Members of Congress are
canceling their events, and people are losing their jobs. It's
all a part of the fallout and fear after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with that, welcome to this
(00:23):
episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes. It feels like
we are on edge right now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It almost feels like we're in a free fall because look,
this day historically has always been a day where Americans
have been on edge for the past twenty plus years.
But to have had the political assassination, a massive man
hunt underway, a gunman has been on the loose now
for more than twenty four hours, and people are scared,
(00:55):
and they're uncertain, and they're unsure, and I think they
don't know who to trust, and they don't know how
safe they really are, whether you're at a college campus,
or you're a member of Congress, or you're anyone at
this point, and.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
To your you make a good point, we should say,
as of this recording and Robes is an important point.
Adding to the uncertainty, the mystery, and the unease we
seem to all have right now. Is because we were
expecting some information this afternoon and we didn't get it
and we don't know when we're going to get it.
And they're telling us is because this is a fast
moving investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, they say, there have been rapid developments and that's
why they were not able. Authorities were not able to
give the information with the schedule of press conference as
it was intended to I believe it was had been
scheduled for two forty five Eastern time. So we're all, yeah, waiting,
what is happening? What is going on? Is anyone at risk?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
They keep telling us no, this was targeted and they
do not believe that anyone else is at risk, but
they did. You have seen the picture right now. But
they're asking for help in the investigation. We will continue
to come on and update when those updates do come
to us from authorities. We are waiting for another one today,
but we want to hop on here now because Robes
fallout is now happening. We know about we talked about
(02:17):
Matthew dal Of, the political analyst at MSNBC said something
on the air suggested it sounded like he was suggesting
that Charlie Kirk brought her on hisself to a certain
degree by some of the rhetoric he was using. He
was fired. He did apologize. But you're seeing things pop
up here and there around the country of other people
losing jobs because they're putting things out there publicly, almost
(02:41):
celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Look, and it's one thing if you see kids doing
it on TikTok who have almost no repercussions. In fact,
they're probably just solidifying political viewpoints of their friends and so.
But that can be mean spirited and terrible. But when
you're an adult who has an official job somewhere, you
can't be saying things like some folks are saying. Charlie
(03:05):
rock pr with the Carolina Panthers, he's gone. He's out
of a job.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's a job because he put out a message saying
why y'all mad? Hey, why y'all mad?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And just tone deaf is what that is. At the
very least he is.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But think of what he represents. He is an employee
of a very important organization in that state and in
a very important league. You just you're representing something greater
than yourself. It's tough sometimes to get people to remember that.
And then Middle Tennessee State has an assistant dean who's
also out of a job today putting out a post
(03:42):
saying zero sympathy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Sympathy. I just I'm I'm confused why adults feel the
need to weigh in and almost well not almost, and
be snarky about a tragedy. I don't care where you
in the political spectrum. When you make anything that seems
(04:08):
flippant or just callous in any way regarding someone being
targeted and killed for their beliefs, I don't see how
you can justify that in any position, in any job
as an adult. I'm amazed that these folks felt like
they could say those things and stay employed.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Two things on that point to consider. One, you would
think to yourself, wow, even if you do think these things,
you should never ever say it out loud in public
or put it on social media. But then the next
part of that robes I think, is should you even
(04:51):
think this in private? If anyone out there asked yourself,
when you heard about this young man's death, what was
your personal reaction to it? Nobody else ever going to
hear or know about, But how did you react, Were
you dismissive? Were you sympathetic? Did you see him as
a husband and a father or did you see him
as a soldier of Donald Trump? And therefore blank like life?
(05:14):
I want just how did people genu have to ask
ourselves these questions? This was a young man period, who's
a husband and a father? Yes, let's if we can't
have sympathy just right there before we get into anything else.
Are you sympathetic to that?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I would also say, and I've had these conversations
with my daughters just because you disagree with someone politically
and they may say awful things in your opinion, and
terrible things that are hurtful to our country or hurtful
to whatever cause you have. If do you think that
you should be held at that same standard? If you
(05:53):
say something something that you believe, should you then be targeted?
Should you then be the recipient of hate? Should you
then feel for your life because you said something that
that pissed somebody else off? I mean, you just have
to you have to recall or at least put yourself
in that person. I would never say those things. You
have no idea what you say that can upset someone else?
(06:14):
And just because your beliefs seem reasonable to you and
justifiable to you, doesn't mean they are to other people.
So I just I don't think we again, we keep
talking to this, but we don't humanize one another, and
we don't give other people the same respect we want
people to give us.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, I'm sorry, and keeping my eye on the TV
over here in fast moving developments and again, robes we
were hopping on here. Yes, that's one thing. We see
some of the fall out here. We talk about the fear.
What in God's name is happening on college campuses? Now,
we went through the first week, week and a half
of kids getting back to college campuses all around the
(06:53):
country with these hoaxes, right, these right false alarms, these
alerts calling in. They had some shutdowns and this and
that it was never any thing found. But today alone
now specific robes, not just any colleges, specifically HBCUs around
the country have been in lockdown at various points.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So on a day where we're
all already on edge, historically, on a day following a
political assassination, where we don't have a lot of answers,
now you have students on college campuses across this country,
targeting specifically black students at Alabama State, Virginia State, Hampton University,
(07:39):
Southern University, Clark, Atlanta, Bethune, Cookman. That is like at
the same time, correct, all around the same time. They
all receive hopes, their hoaxes because they've they've allowed at
least they've they've lifted some of the lockdowns, but the
damage is done. The fear has been instilled. There are
(07:59):
reports of students crying, running, fearing for their lives. Think
about what happened in Colorado yesterday with the high school.
So you hear these hoaxes, but there was a real
campus shooting yesterday. There was a real political assassination on
a college campus yesterday. So this is very real to
these students who get these alerts, take cover, hide, shelter
(08:22):
in place. These are just terrifying times.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Some of these schools have gone ahead and council classes
for today and tomorrow. So this is disrupting education as well.
You I was as you were talking about as being
on edge it You remember the September eleventh and adversaries
of old, Yes, where we used to fear terrorists. Yes,
(08:48):
we used to fear some foreign actor coming in and
doing us harm. What are we scared to death to
do now? Go to a crowd, go to a movie,
go to a mall, go to school, go to college campus.
We're killing ourselves. We're attacking ourselves. That with September eleventh,
and we got students scrambling, we got a guy dead yesterday,
(09:10):
all because of what our own internal shit and not
because of some foreign It's weird on September eleventh. The
thing I'm most scared of today is walking down the
streets of New York and that white guy over there
or that American over there. I'm not looking for some
foreign actor. And it's it's odd that this happens to
(09:33):
be the day that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And what you're talking about is intolerance and possibly mental
illness on top of it. But just I don't know
to label someone just because they've taken an extreme act
doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill. But I'd like
to at least think that's possible, because to imagine that
intolerance can get so can rise to the level where
(09:57):
you actually plan and target an assassination where someone is
I don't even know if they think it's funny, but
they make these phone calls and create chaos and instill
fear and do actual harm to parents, students, faculty. For what,
(10:18):
what's the point of it? What's the that's what's so scary?
Do people get their kicks out of this? Are people
trying to make a point out of it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
There was only one arrest I can remember, right, didn't
they arrest one guy associated? Because it's almost impossible to
trace these numbers they're using these mixers, and I think maybe,
but in all these hoes that we've seen what you're
saying there, we may never know who's doing this foolishness.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And it's really and it's really sad, and it's really disturbing.
And no one can tell the difference between a real
phone call and a fake phone call, period, So the
reactions are the same whether or not there actually is
a shooter or it's just a hoax.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Folks, we talk about people losing jobs, we talk about
what's happening on college campuses today, but a lot is
happening in Congress, and what happened on the campus in
Utah yesterday is prompting a lot of members of Congress
to change their plans, and that includes canceling public events.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ, where
we are talking about the ripple effects of what happened
yesterday in Utah, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and
of course today is nine to eleven as well. So
this is a day where we're supposed to actually unite, remember,
(11:50):
honor those who fell and those who served and who
jumped into action when the worst case scenario happened on
that day twenty four four years ago. And instead now
because of the events of yesterday, combined with the just
the unease of today, we are in. It feels like
uncharted territory. So we now have folks being fired for
(12:14):
being insensitive and just not understanding the gravity of the
political climate we're in right now. We have students and
faculty running for their lives at several HBCUs across the
country because false or hoax gunmen calls are coming in.
It's just a nightmare. And now we have members of Congress,
(12:34):
our leaders, our lawmakers, the people we're supposed to turn
to in moments like this to calm us, to give
us a sense of ease, to let us know that
they're going to make sure that we keep America and
Americans safe there now, according to several congress men and
(12:54):
women and lawmakers, they're scared to death, they're frantic, they're
running for cover, they're canceling events, they're changing the way
they operate, they're afraid to campaign. That tells you a lot.
So there we have names of folks who have absolutely
and completely changed what they are doing and how they
(13:15):
are going out and meeting members of the public. There
are rallies scheduled for the next all canceled.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'd be terrified they and again members of Congress go
up close and personal in these communities. There is nothing,
nothing to stop anyone from getting to them when they
go back to their districts. They do not have secret service.
And even when you have secret service, as President Trump
will tell you, it's no guarantee that a bullet won't
whiz by your frickin' ear. So I don't what does
(13:45):
this trigger. We were talking about this earlier. I think, right,
does this send people on one side? Okay, now we
got to go get one of theirs mindset, and you
could see that happen if somebody on one side is
warped enough to do this, there is one on the
other side, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And so to your point, you've got members of the
right and the left very concerned. And it does appear
that the folks who have been the most outspoken, who
might be the most controversial in Congress, people like AOC,
Nancy Mace, they have absolutely come out. Alexandria Acassio Cortes.
AOC has postponed two events that were planned for this
(14:24):
weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh that
was supposed to be out in the open in the public.
Nancy May's canceled all outdoor in public events for the
foreseeable future. She said she had an upcoming speaking gig
on a college campus. She's canceled that, and she added this,
I'm going to quote Nancy Mace today. She said, I
will have a firearm on my person all the time,
(14:47):
and I will have security. That's where she's at. Jim
Cliburn canceled events in Columbia and Charleston this weekend. There's
a congressman from Florida who said he has stopped holding
all outdoor events again for the foreseeable future. And he's
the one who told reporters not everybody wants to admit this,
but he said, this is the bottom line. People are
(15:08):
scared to death in this building, referring to the halls
of Congress. Damn and Speaker Mike Johnson has told reporters
he's been fielding calls all day from lawmakers asking more security,
and he said, look, if we gave members of Congress
to security they actually want and say they need now
in these times, he said, we were talking billions of dollars,
(15:31):
and we don't have the money as a nation, as
a country to provide the security that we would actually
have to to make these members feel safe. We just
don't have the finances for it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And we shouldn't need them. I mean we shouldn't. I
think we do, but I'm just saying we shouldn't. This
is within how many years ago are we talking out
twenty twenty one and this that these same members of
Congress are the same ones who were there for January secon.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, I was just thinking about that, right, they.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Have many of them, and you certainly in the Senate
it's not a lot of turnover.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Most of them were there were.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There for that And to think now after that event
where you literally you think your life is at risk
for the job that you hold. This is one I
side with them on whatever security they might want to
understand the bill, but this is one where this seems
like these are the times we're in.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I wouldn't want to be a lawmaker right now, and
especially an outspoken one, a controversial one. Look, you know,
this is how a lot of these folks get elected
because they say controversial things. They say things to rally
the base, and those are the exact kind of comments
that they're now concerned could get them killed. And I
understand that fear. It makes a lot of sense, but
(16:49):
I cannot recall in my almost thirty years now, actually
it is thirty years as a professional journalist where I
have seen this kind of fear among United States lawmakers.
I mean, they've lived through a lot, and look, a
lot of these people live with daily death threats. This
is like commonplace to get death threats when you're a
(17:11):
lawmaker when you say things that people don't like or
don't agree with. So they're not thin skinned, I guess
is what I'm trying to say. This is a real
fear based on real events that have been taking place.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Recent history, that people are following through on some of
the hate speech we are seeing in places, they're following
it up with action, with deadly action. Now, folks will
continue to update you. We do anticipate something from the
(17:46):
authorities in Utah today at some point, but they again
earlier robes of press conference this afternoon that they said
they are delaying. They did not give us an update
on time. We have no idea when we will hear
from them again, but.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
We will certain stay on top of it and bring
you the very latest. But we do thank you for
listening to us. And yeah, just you know, I do
think in this moment, these types of moments, we need
to we need to talk about these things. We need
to more talk, less action, more understanding, more empathy, just
trying to see the way other people view I just
(18:22):
I hope that's the wake up call that we are
willing to communicate in a much more open minded way
with one another and not be so quick to demonize
the other side to the point where we get that angry.
There's that kind of hate in the world. Anyway, Okay,
thanks for listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes,
stay tuned, we'll i'm sure, be checking in with you
(18:44):
very soon.
Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh. Classes are
being canceled, campuses are on lockdown, Members of Congress are
canceling their events, and people are losing their jobs. It's
all a part of the fallout and fear after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with that, welcome to this
(00:23):
episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes. It feels like
we are on edge right now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It almost feels like we're in a free fall because look,
this day historically has always been a day where Americans
have been on edge for the past twenty plus years.
But to have had the political assassination, a massive man
hunt underway, a gunman has been on the loose now
for more than twenty four hours, and people are scared,
(00:55):
and they're uncertain, and they're unsure, and I think they
don't know who to trust, and they don't know how
safe they really are, whether you're at a college campus,
or you're a member of Congress, or you're anyone at
this point, and.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
To your you make a good point, we should say,
as of this recording and Robes is an important point.
Adding to the uncertainty, the mystery, and the unease we
seem to all have right now. Is because we were
expecting some information this afternoon and we didn't get it
and we don't know when we're going to get it.
And they're telling us is because this is a fast
moving investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, they say, there have been rapid developments and that's
why they were not able. Authorities were not able to
give the information with the schedule of press conference as
it was intended to I believe it was had been
scheduled for two forty five Eastern time. So we're all, yeah, waiting,
what is happening? What is going on? Is anyone at risk?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
They keep telling us no, this was targeted and they
do not believe that anyone else is at risk, but
they did. You have seen the picture right now. But
they're asking for help in the investigation. We will continue
to come on and update when those updates do come
to us from authorities. We are waiting for another one today,
but we want to hop on here now because Robes
fallout is now happening. We know about we talked about
(02:17):
Matthew dal Of, the political analyst at MSNBC said something
on the air suggested it sounded like he was suggesting
that Charlie Kirk brought her on hisself to a certain
degree by some of the rhetoric he was using. He
was fired. He did apologize. But you're seeing things pop
up here and there around the country of other people
losing jobs because they're putting things out there publicly, almost
(02:41):
celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Look, and it's one thing if you see kids doing
it on TikTok who have almost no repercussions. In fact,
they're probably just solidifying political viewpoints of their friends and so.
But that can be mean spirited and terrible. But when
you're an adult who has an official job somewhere, you
can't be saying things like some folks are saying. Charlie
(03:05):
rock pr with the Carolina Panthers, he's gone. He's out
of a job.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's a job because he put out a message saying
why y'all mad? Hey, why y'all mad?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And just tone deaf is what that is. At the
very least he is.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But think of what he represents. He is an employee
of a very important organization in that state and in
a very important league. You just you're representing something greater
than yourself. It's tough sometimes to get people to remember that.
And then Middle Tennessee State has an assistant dean who's
also out of a job today putting out a post
(03:42):
saying zero sympathy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Sympathy. I just I'm I'm confused why adults feel the
need to weigh in and almost well not almost, and
be snarky about a tragedy. I don't care where you
in the political spectrum. When you make anything that seems
(04:08):
flippant or just callous in any way regarding someone being
targeted and killed for their beliefs, I don't see how
you can justify that in any position, in any job
as an adult. I'm amazed that these folks felt like
they could say those things and stay employed.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Two things on that point to consider. One, you would
think to yourself, wow, even if you do think these things,
you should never ever say it out loud in public
or put it on social media. But then the next
part of that robes I think, is should you even
(04:51):
think this in private? If anyone out there asked yourself,
when you heard about this young man's death, what was
your personal reaction to it? Nobody else ever going to
hear or know about, But how did you react, Were
you dismissive? Were you sympathetic? Did you see him as
a husband and a father or did you see him
as a soldier of Donald Trump? And therefore blank like life?
(05:14):
I want just how did people genu have to ask
ourselves these questions? This was a young man period, who's
a husband and a father? Yes, let's if we can't
have sympathy just right there before we get into anything else.
Are you sympathetic to that?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I would also say, and I've had these conversations
with my daughters just because you disagree with someone politically
and they may say awful things in your opinion, and
terrible things that are hurtful to our country or hurtful
to whatever cause you have. If do you think that
you should be held at that same standard? If you
(05:53):
say something something that you believe, should you then be targeted?
Should you then be the recipient of hate? Should you
then feel for your life because you said something that
that pissed somebody else off? I mean, you just have
to you have to recall or at least put yourself
in that person. I would never say those things. You
have no idea what you say that can upset someone else?
(06:14):
And just because your beliefs seem reasonable to you and
justifiable to you, doesn't mean they are to other people.
So I just I don't think we again, we keep
talking to this, but we don't humanize one another, and
we don't give other people the same respect we want
people to give us.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, I'm sorry, and keeping my eye on the TV
over here in fast moving developments and again, robes we
were hopping on here. Yes, that's one thing. We see
some of the fall out here. We talk about the fear.
What in God's name is happening on college campuses? Now,
we went through the first week, week and a half
of kids getting back to college campuses all around the
(06:53):
country with these hoaxes, right, these right false alarms, these
alerts calling in. They had some shutdowns and this and
that it was never any thing found. But today alone
now specific robes, not just any colleges, specifically HBCUs around
the country have been in lockdown at various points.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So on a day where we're
all already on edge, historically, on a day following a
political assassination, where we don't have a lot of answers,
now you have students on college campuses across this country,
targeting specifically black students at Alabama State, Virginia State, Hampton University,
(07:39):
Southern University, Clark, Atlanta, Bethune, Cookman. That is like at
the same time, correct, all around the same time. They
all receive hopes, their hoaxes because they've they've allowed at
least they've they've lifted some of the lockdowns, but the
damage is done. The fear has been instilled. There are
(07:59):
reports of students crying, running, fearing for their lives. Think
about what happened in Colorado yesterday with the high school.
So you hear these hoaxes, but there was a real
campus shooting yesterday. There was a real political assassination on
a college campus yesterday. So this is very real to
these students who get these alerts, take cover, hide, shelter
(08:22):
in place. These are just terrifying times.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Some of these schools have gone ahead and council classes
for today and tomorrow. So this is disrupting education as well.
You I was as you were talking about as being
on edge it You remember the September eleventh and adversaries
of old, Yes, where we used to fear terrorists. Yes,
(08:48):
we used to fear some foreign actor coming in and
doing us harm. What are we scared to death to
do now? Go to a crowd, go to a movie,
go to a mall, go to school, go to college campus.
We're killing ourselves. We're attacking ourselves. That with September eleventh,
and we got students scrambling, we got a guy dead yesterday,
(09:10):
all because of what our own internal shit and not
because of some foreign It's weird on September eleventh. The
thing I'm most scared of today is walking down the
streets of New York and that white guy over there
or that American over there. I'm not looking for some
foreign actor. And it's it's odd that this happens to
(09:33):
be the day that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And what you're talking about is intolerance and possibly mental
illness on top of it. But just I don't know
to label someone just because they've taken an extreme act
doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill. But I'd like
to at least think that's possible, because to imagine that
intolerance can get so can rise to the level where
(09:57):
you actually plan and target an assassination where someone is
I don't even know if they think it's funny, but
they make these phone calls and create chaos and instill
fear and do actual harm to parents, students, faculty. For what,
(10:18):
what's the point of it? What's the that's what's so scary?
Do people get their kicks out of this? Are people
trying to make a point out of it? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
There was only one arrest I can remember, right, didn't
they arrest one guy associated? Because it's almost impossible to
trace these numbers they're using these mixers, and I think maybe,
but in all these hoes that we've seen what you're
saying there, we may never know who's doing this foolishness.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And it's really and it's really sad, and it's really disturbing.
And no one can tell the difference between a real
phone call and a fake phone call, period, So the
reactions are the same whether or not there actually is
a shooter or it's just a hoax.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Folks, we talk about people losing jobs, we talk about
what's happening on college campuses today, but a lot is
happening in Congress, and what happened on the campus in
Utah yesterday is prompting a lot of members of Congress
to change their plans, and that includes canceling public events.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ, where
we are talking about the ripple effects of what happened
yesterday in Utah, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and
of course today is nine to eleven as well. So
this is a day where we're supposed to actually unite, remember,
(11:50):
honor those who fell and those who served and who
jumped into action when the worst case scenario happened on
that day twenty four four years ago. And instead now
because of the events of yesterday, combined with the just
the unease of today, we are in. It feels like
uncharted territory. So we now have folks being fired for
(12:14):
being insensitive and just not understanding the gravity of the
political climate we're in right now. We have students and
faculty running for their lives at several HBCUs across the
country because false or hoax gunmen calls are coming in.
It's just a nightmare. And now we have members of Congress,
(12:34):
our leaders, our lawmakers, the people we're supposed to turn
to in moments like this to calm us, to give
us a sense of ease, to let us know that
they're going to make sure that we keep America and
Americans safe there now, according to several congress men and
(12:54):
women and lawmakers, they're scared to death, they're frantic, they're
running for cover, they're canceling events, they're changing the way
they operate, they're afraid to campaign. That tells you a lot.
So there we have names of folks who have absolutely
and completely changed what they are doing and how they
(13:15):
are going out and meeting members of the public. There
are rallies scheduled for the next all canceled.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I'd be terrified they and again members of Congress go
up close and personal in these communities. There is nothing,
nothing to stop anyone from getting to them when they
go back to their districts. They do not have secret service.
And even when you have secret service, as President Trump
will tell you, it's no guarantee that a bullet won't
whiz by your frickin' ear. So I don't what does
(13:45):
this trigger. We were talking about this earlier. I think, right,
does this send people on one side? Okay, now we
got to go get one of theirs mindset, and you
could see that happen if somebody on one side is
warped enough to do this, there is one on the
other side, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And so to your point, you've got members of the
right and the left very concerned. And it does appear
that the folks who have been the most outspoken, who
might be the most controversial in Congress, people like AOC,
Nancy Mace, they have absolutely come out. Alexandria Acassio Cortes.
AOC has postponed two events that were planned for this
(14:24):
weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh that
was supposed to be out in the open in the public.
Nancy May's canceled all outdoor in public events for the
foreseeable future. She said she had an upcoming speaking gig
on a college campus. She's canceled that, and she added this,
I'm going to quote Nancy Mace today. She said, I
will have a firearm on my person all the time,
(14:47):
and I will have security. That's where she's at. Jim
Cliburn canceled events in Columbia and Charleston this weekend. There's
a congressman from Florida who said he has stopped holding
all outdoor events again for the foreseeable future. And he's
the one who told reporters not everybody wants to admit this,
but he said, this is the bottom line. People are
(15:08):
scared to death in this building, referring to the halls
of Congress. Damn and Speaker Mike Johnson has told reporters
he's been fielding calls all day from lawmakers asking more security,
and he said, look, if we gave members of Congress
to security they actually want and say they need now
in these times, he said, we were talking billions of dollars,
(15:31):
and we don't have the money as a nation, as
a country to provide the security that we would actually
have to to make these members feel safe. We just
don't have the finances for it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And we shouldn't need them. I mean we shouldn't. I
think we do, but I'm just saying we shouldn't. This
is within how many years ago are we talking out
twenty twenty one and this that these same members of
Congress are the same ones who were there for January secon.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, I was just thinking about that, right, they.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Have many of them, and you certainly in the Senate
it's not a lot of turnover.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Most of them were there were.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There for that And to think now after that event
where you literally you think your life is at risk
for the job that you hold. This is one I
side with them on whatever security they might want to
understand the bill, but this is one where this seems
like these are the times we're in.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I wouldn't want to be a lawmaker right now, and
especially an outspoken one, a controversial one. Look, you know,
this is how a lot of these folks get elected
because they say controversial things. They say things to rally
the base, and those are the exact kind of comments
that they're now concerned could get them killed. And I
understand that fear. It makes a lot of sense, but
(16:49):
I cannot recall in my almost thirty years now, actually
it is thirty years as a professional journalist where I
have seen this kind of fear among United States lawmakers.
I mean, they've lived through a lot, and look, a
lot of these people live with daily death threats. This
is like commonplace to get death threats when you're a
(17:11):
lawmaker when you say things that people don't like or
don't agree with. So they're not thin skinned, I guess
is what I'm trying to say. This is a real
fear based on real events that have been taking place.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Recent history, that people are following through on some of
the hate speech we are seeing in places, they're following
it up with action, with deadly action. Now, folks will
continue to update you. We do anticipate something from the
(17:46):
authorities in Utah today at some point, but they again
earlier robes of press conference this afternoon that they said
they are delaying. They did not give us an update
on time. We have no idea when we will hear
from them again, but.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
We will certain stay on top of it and bring
you the very latest. But we do thank you for
listening to us. And yeah, just you know, I do
think in this moment, these types of moments, we need
to we need to talk about these things. We need
to more talk, less action, more understanding, more empathy, just
trying to see the way other people view I just
(18:22):
I hope that's the wake up call that we are
willing to communicate in a much more open minded way
with one another and not be so quick to demonize
the other side to the point where we get that angry.
There's that kind of hate in the world. Anyway, Okay,
thanks for listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes,
stay tuned, we'll i'm sure, be checking in with you
(18:44):
very soon.
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T.J. Holmes
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