August 29, 2025 • 17 mins
For Shop Talk, Coach Bill reflects on US News and World Report's recent article titled “New Poll: Americans Say the U.S. Is in a Leadership Crisis”. And offers a solution to this crisis.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Everybody's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks, and
it's shop Talk number sixty seven. Oh look, there's Alex
welcome to the job. Oh okay, guys today shop Talk
number sixty seven. Something that's near and dear to my heart,
so much to my heart. I wrote a book about it.
My book's called Against the Grain. By the way, shameless plug, Alex,
(00:24):
I can't believe you uable on Amazon. Did you hear?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Actually Peter Muda Bozzi. This episode's not out yet, but
I think it's Tuesdays. He actually said against the I
like to go against the grain. During the interview.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I know I almost said I wrote a book about it,
but I left it alone. But I did write a
book about leadership and other ponderables, and if you want it,
you can get it at tri Amazon stores, called Against
the Grain. But today we're going to talk about America's
leadership crisis. Right after these messages from our general sponsors, everybody,
(01:08):
welcome back. America's leadership crisis. US News and Rord Report
just released a new public opinion survey, and the article
about it is titled new poll Americans say the US
is in a leadership crisis. I know I'm going to
like all this content, Alex, but the titles like duh,
(01:30):
new poll Americans say the US and leadership crist Yes. Really,
I mean nobody approves of anything. But we're going to
dig into that point.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Some of the results will help crystallize it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay, well, I say it all the time. I think
we even open our show with it. But here we go.
The article reads from the White House to the courthouse.
I would say from the White House to the outhouse,
the emergency room, in the classroom. Americans are losing trusts
and institutions, illuminating leadership crisis across the United States. According
(02:03):
to a new survey by US News and World Report,
the disappointment is most acutely felt when it comes to
public service leaders. More than four or five adults guys,
that's eighty five percent say government officials and other community
leaders care more about their own power and influence than
what's best for the people they represent. We could queue
(02:26):
the way an army of normal folks opens up every
single show right now if we wanted to. The distrust
and disenchantment permeates other major sectors of society as well,
with seventy three percent disappointed in healthcare leaders, seventy two
percent disappointed in business leaders, and sixty eight in education leaders.
(02:50):
Politicians overwhelmingly come to mind when first Americans are asked
about leaders, but those survey had little positive to say.
The public related political leaders trustworthiness among the lowest of
any leader group at thirty one percent, and seventy five
percent say they have too much power. The vast majority
(03:12):
eighty seven percent said there's a leadership crisis in public service,
above the rates for health care seventy nine percent, education
seventy nine percent, business seventy two percent. Across the public
service sector, which includes politicians, eighty five percent, respondents said
that leaders care more about their own power and influence
(03:33):
than what's best for the people they serve. And the
latest survey confidence in specific public institutions ranges as two
thirds of the public trust the Supreme Court to act
in the best interests of the American public, only two
thirds yaw that's a non partisan body, and only sixty
(03:54):
six percent trust the Supreme Court to act in the
best interests in the American public. Less than half the
respondents said that the same of the Trump administration forty
seven percent, and by the way, fortybody gets weird about that.
I've looked this up, but less than half respondents said
in the same of the Trump administration forty seven percent,
(04:15):
or Republicans in Congress forty seven percent, who are now
in the midst of summer recess. Democrats in Congress didn't
fare much better fifty two percent. The leadership void isn't
helped by the fact that most Americans don't aspire to
follow in their leaders footsteps. More than three and five
say they don't see leaders today in any sect, in
any sector whom they aspired to emulate. Before I go
(04:41):
to one of my solutions, I do want to just
note that the Trump administration of forty seven percent. I
looked it up, and in the last eight administrations after
their first year in the White House, given Republican or Democrat,
(05:02):
no president has ever enjoyed an approval rating over forty
nine percent, not one, not one. So sure the current administration,
and I'm not taking up for Trump. I'm just saying
the current administration at forty seven percent. Don't think, oh, well,
that's because it's Trump. No, that's pretty much how it's
(05:24):
gone for the last forty years.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's actually pretty high. A lot of presidents have been
at thirty nine and forty.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's true. It's it's absolutely true, which is almost surprising
that it's forty seven percent. The point is, just like
we talk about when we open every army normal folks,
is that there is a leadership void, and we believe
(05:51):
the answer is an army in normal folks. Well, one
solution I wrote about it actually got picked up as
an op ed in just this week, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, so Monday, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Monday, And it got printed in the local newspaper, the
Commercial Appeal. It's titled we need an army of normal
leaders like the Grunt Padre. Here's what it says. In
our toxic era of controversial and out of touch leaders,
there's something incredibly refreshing about having a seemingly normal leader
(06:33):
like Pope Leo the fourteenth, who loves normal things like
the Chicago White Sox and is known for his humility.
A friend of mine was deeply impacted by another priest,
so normal that he was known as the grunt Padre.
Father Vincent Cappadano's nickname was well earned. Father Vincent requested
to join the Marines in the Vietnam War. He joined
(06:56):
his many men in every aspect of life, from spoking
cigarette's playing blackjack to living with them and hearing their
confessions while sitting on empty AMMO boxes. He even joined
them in the field, which is something I remember reading.
No other chaplains did, but I think maybe a couple did.
But for the most part, chaplains would not join people
(07:19):
in the field, and he did. On September fourth, nineteen
sixty seven, he joined them in a treacherous battle known
as Operations Swift. This thing claimed the lives of one
hundred and twenty seven marines. Father Vincent spent the battle
under heavy fire, sustaining multiple wounds from gunshots and a mortarshell,
while saving the lives of men and comfortinging them when
(07:42):
they died. The grunt Padre paid the ultimate sacrifice when
he was shot twenty seven times in the back and
died on the battle filled with his marines. To this day,
he is one of only four priests received the Medal
of Honor. One man who was later in impacted by
reading about Father Vincent. I guess a missionary doesn't stop
(08:05):
working even after he dies, does he? That was certainly
true in the life of one of his men. My friend,
and I say my friend with all respect. He was
more of a mentor than anything. But he once called
me his friend, so I get to call him my friend,
my friend. Lieutenant Frederick Smith, you all made know him
(08:28):
better as Fred Smith, the founder and CEO of FedEx,
who recently passed away. Actually now was chairman of the
board when he passed, but very recently Fred Smith the
founder of fed Ex. Fred first met Grunt Padre at
a late night poker game, telling the National Catholic Register
(08:49):
that Father Vincent was a heck of a gambler and
he used to lift a lot of money off people
in poker games, but he always gave it away to
someone in need. Smith was better than him at one thing,
recalling that Father Vincent used to go out at night,
go out at night to take a smoke, something that
was really forbidden by the military to do because of
(09:11):
the presence of the enemy. So I showed him how
to poke a couple holes in a sea ration cardboard box,
light a cigarette and then slip his head into the
box under his poncho and smoke to his heart's content.
Father Vincent's normal ax of connecting with his men and
eventually saving several of their lives. Foster to love and
an admiration for him. Years after his death, Fred once said,
(09:36):
words can't adequately describe my feelings about Father Cappodanno. I
love Father Smith, the old Cappodano's biographer, that father's example
inspired him to re engage with his faith and to
take the rest of found fight X. In fact, the
priest spent so much to the billionaire that he visited
his Stadin Alan grave countless times, even taking his children
(09:59):
with him on minyute occasions. That's the profound impact that
a normal leader can have. We need an army of
normal leaders. I am. I think about father Kappandano as
just this normal guy who's a father who led. But
(10:22):
again the way he led, y'all was service. He served
in order to lead. I believe when we talk about
these numbers that the world what is it news report?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What's it called the Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All those numbers that honest, we've talked about. I mean,
these are not new surveys. It's it's not because the
leaders are necessarily awful people or don't wear the right
clothes or whatever is. We don't see them serving others
in order to lead. And the greatest leaders of our time,
(10:57):
the most revered people of our time always serve in
order to lead. They don't sit on some mountaintop exalted.
They get down to the dirt. They work, They act
like normal people. They have humility, and they serve, and
(11:21):
in doing so they lead, and in doing so they inspire,
and in doing so they are revered. I think the
solutions to our Christ's the leadership in America are really
really simple. Serve, serf, find your passion, couple it with
(11:44):
your abilities, and let that passion and ability collide at
an opportunity to serve and make your corner of the
world a little better place. And in doing so you
become a part of the army of normal folks and
a steadfast servant lead that can change these very numbers
that we continue to hear about our quote leaders in
(12:07):
sidey today. And I think Father Cappodano is a beautiful
example because without his service, without his leadership, Fred Smith
may have never made it back from Vietnam. And Fred
Smith admittedly said before he died, if it wasn't for
the Father, I would have never found my way back
to my faith and maybe not have had even the
(12:29):
courage to have even started FedEx. So that little bit
of service that father Capagano gave in Vietnam by just
being a normal grunt padre seeing an area of need
and filling it. You know, the world changed because of
FedEx and the thought that it might not have even happened,
(12:51):
because the founder of it might not have even had
the courage and the faith to do it had it
not been for the impact that his father had on him.
Is us a glaring example of what a normal person
can do and the legacy and effect of that engagement.
So yes, we have a perception of an absence of
(13:16):
leadership in our society today, but I think the perception
is wrong. The problem is the focus is not on
where will leadership is happening, and that focus should be
on an army normal folks and each of you doing
which you can. Every day. We need two million grunt
(13:37):
padres run around, serving and leading and then not only
well these numbers about perception of leadership and our society change,
but society itself will change as well.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
One of those numbers a good change too, is have
you caught the part where it said they ask people
who comes first in mind for the title leaders, and
people said politicians. Yeah, so I for really successful in this.
People will not say politicians is the first thing they
come to mind when they say leaders.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's a really good point. And I did catch it
when I read it, and I hadn't commented on it,
But that's a great point. Ironically enough, you're supposed to
go to Washington to serve your constituents. You're supposed to
go to Washington to serve the people in your district
if you're a house member, or the people in your
(14:28):
state if you're senator, or obviously every American is your president.
And the perception that the service is selfish and for
oneself rather than for the very people they sent to serve.
But they are still seen as leaders. That whole perception
is wrong too. We have to look at it differently,
(14:51):
we have to approach it differently. And I just still
remain steadfast to my belief that the only way to
fix this is an army normal folks engaging changing the narrative,
changing the perception, and changing culture.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
One more thing that I think the idea of being
normal is interesting too, so like Capodano's example of smoking
with them, playing poker with them, and obviously doesn't have
to be those two two things. Like Pope John Paul
the second, before he was pope, he would go hiking
with young people, he would go skiing with young people.
Even my priest, who listens to a decent number of
the shop talks. He plays pick a ball at the college.
(15:25):
Students at old miss like be normal, be willing to
be one among the people and not have yourself separate
from them.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, and listen along those lines. Briefly, we struggled when
titling this whole show at the beginning, the word normal.
You know what is normal? Maybe the world to have
an army of common folks and every army of average folks,
(15:51):
and I have whatever. But normal is what rolled out
of my mouth the first time we talked about it,
and we went with normal, and y'all, normal is also
a perspective. What we're saying with normal is just doing
what the average person does, just being a just an average,
(16:14):
common whatever person. And the point is an army of
those people serving one another is what can change the world.
And Coppodano is the example of that. And just like
what Alex said, that's that's the approach, is be common,
be obviously, ironically, by being common as a leader, you
(16:38):
become uncommon, if that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Your consistency is the uncommon part.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, all right, So that's it. An
army of normal folks is looking for members every day,
people like father Cappadano, and who knows, maybe your service
will inspire someone to create the next Fortune fifty company
(17:06):
that changes the world. America's leadership crisis, it can be
fixed pretty quickly if we'll just get back to the
basis of service and leadership and normal folks doing what
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Do what you can
Everybody's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks, and
it's shop Talk number sixty seven. Oh look, there's Alex
welcome to the job. Oh okay, guys today shop Talk
number sixty seven. Something that's near and dear to my heart,
so much to my heart. I wrote a book about it.
My book's called Against the Grain. By the way, shameless plug, Alex,
(00:24):
I can't believe you uable on Amazon. Did you hear?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Actually Peter Muda Bozzi. This episode's not out yet, but
I think it's Tuesdays. He actually said against the I
like to go against the grain. During the interview.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I know I almost said I wrote a book about it,
but I left it alone. But I did write a
book about leadership and other ponderables, and if you want it,
you can get it at tri Amazon stores, called Against
the Grain. But today we're going to talk about America's
leadership crisis. Right after these messages from our general sponsors, everybody,
(01:08):
welcome back. America's leadership crisis. US News and Rord Report
just released a new public opinion survey, and the article
about it is titled new poll Americans say the US
is in a leadership crisis. I know I'm going to
like all this content, Alex, but the titles like duh,
(01:30):
new poll Americans say the US and leadership crist Yes. Really,
I mean nobody approves of anything. But we're going to
dig into that point.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Some of the results will help crystallize it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay, well, I say it all the time. I think
we even open our show with it. But here we go.
The article reads from the White House to the courthouse.
I would say from the White House to the outhouse,
the emergency room, in the classroom. Americans are losing trusts
and institutions, illuminating leadership crisis across the United States. According
(02:03):
to a new survey by US News and World Report,
the disappointment is most acutely felt when it comes to
public service leaders. More than four or five adults guys,
that's eighty five percent say government officials and other community
leaders care more about their own power and influence than
what's best for the people they represent. We could queue
(02:26):
the way an army of normal folks opens up every
single show right now if we wanted to. The distrust
and disenchantment permeates other major sectors of society as well,
with seventy three percent disappointed in healthcare leaders, seventy two
percent disappointed in business leaders, and sixty eight in education leaders.
(02:50):
Politicians overwhelmingly come to mind when first Americans are asked
about leaders, but those survey had little positive to say.
The public related political leaders trustworthiness among the lowest of
any leader group at thirty one percent, and seventy five
percent say they have too much power. The vast majority
(03:12):
eighty seven percent said there's a leadership crisis in public service,
above the rates for health care seventy nine percent, education
seventy nine percent, business seventy two percent. Across the public
service sector, which includes politicians, eighty five percent, respondents said
that leaders care more about their own power and influence
(03:33):
than what's best for the people they serve. And the
latest survey confidence in specific public institutions ranges as two
thirds of the public trust the Supreme Court to act
in the best interests of the American public, only two
thirds yaw that's a non partisan body, and only sixty
(03:54):
six percent trust the Supreme Court to act in the
best interests in the American public. Less than half the
respondents said that the same of the Trump administration forty
seven percent, and by the way, fortybody gets weird about that.
I've looked this up, but less than half respondents said
in the same of the Trump administration forty seven percent,
(04:15):
or Republicans in Congress forty seven percent, who are now
in the midst of summer recess. Democrats in Congress didn't
fare much better fifty two percent. The leadership void isn't
helped by the fact that most Americans don't aspire to
follow in their leaders footsteps. More than three and five
say they don't see leaders today in any sect, in
any sector whom they aspired to emulate. Before I go
(04:41):
to one of my solutions, I do want to just
note that the Trump administration of forty seven percent. I
looked it up, and in the last eight administrations after
their first year in the White House, given Republican or Democrat,
(05:02):
no president has ever enjoyed an approval rating over forty
nine percent, not one, not one. So sure the current administration,
and I'm not taking up for Trump. I'm just saying
the current administration at forty seven percent. Don't think, oh, well,
that's because it's Trump. No, that's pretty much how it's
(05:24):
gone for the last forty years.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's actually pretty high. A lot of presidents have been
at thirty nine and forty.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's true. It's it's absolutely true, which is almost surprising
that it's forty seven percent. The point is, just like
we talk about when we open every army normal folks,
is that there is a leadership void, and we believe
(05:51):
the answer is an army in normal folks. Well, one
solution I wrote about it actually got picked up as
an op ed in just this week, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, so Monday, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Monday, And it got printed in the local newspaper, the
Commercial Appeal. It's titled we need an army of normal
leaders like the Grunt Padre. Here's what it says. In
our toxic era of controversial and out of touch leaders,
there's something incredibly refreshing about having a seemingly normal leader
(06:33):
like Pope Leo the fourteenth, who loves normal things like
the Chicago White Sox and is known for his humility.
A friend of mine was deeply impacted by another priest,
so normal that he was known as the grunt Padre.
Father Vincent Cappadano's nickname was well earned. Father Vincent requested
to join the Marines in the Vietnam War. He joined
(06:56):
his many men in every aspect of life, from spoking
cigarette's playing blackjack to living with them and hearing their
confessions while sitting on empty AMMO boxes. He even joined
them in the field, which is something I remember reading.
No other chaplains did, but I think maybe a couple did.
But for the most part, chaplains would not join people
(07:19):
in the field, and he did. On September fourth, nineteen
sixty seven, he joined them in a treacherous battle known
as Operations Swift. This thing claimed the lives of one
hundred and twenty seven marines. Father Vincent spent the battle
under heavy fire, sustaining multiple wounds from gunshots and a mortarshell,
while saving the lives of men and comfortinging them when
(07:42):
they died. The grunt Padre paid the ultimate sacrifice when
he was shot twenty seven times in the back and
died on the battle filled with his marines. To this day,
he is one of only four priests received the Medal
of Honor. One man who was later in impacted by
reading about Father Vincent. I guess a missionary doesn't stop
(08:05):
working even after he dies, does he? That was certainly
true in the life of one of his men. My friend,
and I say my friend with all respect. He was
more of a mentor than anything. But he once called
me his friend, so I get to call him my friend,
my friend. Lieutenant Frederick Smith, you all made know him
(08:28):
better as Fred Smith, the founder and CEO of FedEx,
who recently passed away. Actually now was chairman of the
board when he passed, but very recently Fred Smith the
founder of fed Ex. Fred first met Grunt Padre at
a late night poker game, telling the National Catholic Register
(08:49):
that Father Vincent was a heck of a gambler and
he used to lift a lot of money off people
in poker games, but he always gave it away to
someone in need. Smith was better than him at one thing,
recalling that Father Vincent used to go out at night,
go out at night to take a smoke, something that
was really forbidden by the military to do because of
(09:11):
the presence of the enemy. So I showed him how
to poke a couple holes in a sea ration cardboard box,
light a cigarette and then slip his head into the
box under his poncho and smoke to his heart's content.
Father Vincent's normal ax of connecting with his men and
eventually saving several of their lives. Foster to love and
an admiration for him. Years after his death, Fred once said,
(09:36):
words can't adequately describe my feelings about Father Cappodanno. I
love Father Smith, the old Cappodano's biographer, that father's example
inspired him to re engage with his faith and to
take the rest of found fight X. In fact, the
priest spent so much to the billionaire that he visited
his Stadin Alan grave countless times, even taking his children
(09:59):
with him on minyute occasions. That's the profound impact that
a normal leader can have. We need an army of
normal leaders. I am. I think about father Kappandano as
just this normal guy who's a father who led. But
(10:22):
again the way he led, y'all was service. He served
in order to lead. I believe when we talk about
these numbers that the world what is it news report?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What's it called the Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All those numbers that honest, we've talked about. I mean,
these are not new surveys. It's it's not because the
leaders are necessarily awful people or don't wear the right
clothes or whatever is. We don't see them serving others
in order to lead. And the greatest leaders of our time,
(10:57):
the most revered people of our time always serve in
order to lead. They don't sit on some mountaintop exalted.
They get down to the dirt. They work, They act
like normal people. They have humility, and they serve, and
(11:21):
in doing so they lead, and in doing so they inspire,
and in doing so they are revered. I think the
solutions to our Christ's the leadership in America are really
really simple. Serve, serf, find your passion, couple it with
(11:44):
your abilities, and let that passion and ability collide at
an opportunity to serve and make your corner of the
world a little better place. And in doing so you
become a part of the army of normal folks and
a steadfast servant lead that can change these very numbers
that we continue to hear about our quote leaders in
(12:07):
sidey today. And I think Father Cappodano is a beautiful
example because without his service, without his leadership, Fred Smith
may have never made it back from Vietnam. And Fred
Smith admittedly said before he died, if it wasn't for
the Father, I would have never found my way back
to my faith and maybe not have had even the
(12:29):
courage to have even started FedEx. So that little bit
of service that father Capagano gave in Vietnam by just
being a normal grunt padre seeing an area of need
and filling it. You know, the world changed because of
FedEx and the thought that it might not have even happened,
(12:51):
because the founder of it might not have even had
the courage and the faith to do it had it
not been for the impact that his father had on him.
Is us a glaring example of what a normal person
can do and the legacy and effect of that engagement.
So yes, we have a perception of an absence of
(13:16):
leadership in our society today, but I think the perception
is wrong. The problem is the focus is not on
where will leadership is happening, and that focus should be
on an army normal folks and each of you doing
which you can. Every day. We need two million grunt
(13:37):
padres run around, serving and leading and then not only
well these numbers about perception of leadership and our society change,
but society itself will change as well.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
One of those numbers a good change too, is have
you caught the part where it said they ask people
who comes first in mind for the title leaders, and
people said politicians. Yeah, so I for really successful in this.
People will not say politicians is the first thing they
come to mind when they say leaders.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's a really good point. And I did catch it
when I read it, and I hadn't commented on it,
But that's a great point. Ironically enough, you're supposed to
go to Washington to serve your constituents. You're supposed to
go to Washington to serve the people in your district
if you're a house member, or the people in your
(14:28):
state if you're senator, or obviously every American is your president.
And the perception that the service is selfish and for
oneself rather than for the very people they sent to serve.
But they are still seen as leaders. That whole perception
is wrong too. We have to look at it differently,
(14:51):
we have to approach it differently. And I just still
remain steadfast to my belief that the only way to
fix this is an army normal folks engaging changing the narrative,
changing the perception, and changing culture.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
One more thing that I think the idea of being
normal is interesting too, so like Capodano's example of smoking
with them, playing poker with them, and obviously doesn't have
to be those two two things. Like Pope John Paul
the second, before he was pope, he would go hiking
with young people, he would go skiing with young people.
Even my priest, who listens to a decent number of
the shop talks. He plays pick a ball at the college.
(15:25):
Students at old miss like be normal, be willing to
be one among the people and not have yourself separate
from them.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, and listen along those lines. Briefly, we struggled when
titling this whole show at the beginning, the word normal.
You know what is normal? Maybe the world to have
an army of common folks and every army of average folks,
(15:51):
and I have whatever. But normal is what rolled out
of my mouth the first time we talked about it,
and we went with normal, and y'all, normal is also
a perspective. What we're saying with normal is just doing
what the average person does, just being a just an average,
(16:14):
common whatever person. And the point is an army of
those people serving one another is what can change the world.
And Coppodano is the example of that. And just like
what Alex said, that's that's the approach, is be common,
be obviously, ironically, by being common as a leader, you
(16:38):
become uncommon, if that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Your consistency is the uncommon part.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That's right, Yeah, yeah, all right, So that's it. An
army of normal folks is looking for members every day,
people like father Cappadano, and who knows, maybe your service
will inspire someone to create the next Fortune fifty company
(17:06):
that changes the world. America's leadership crisis, it can be
fixed pretty quickly if we'll just get back to the
basis of service and leadership and normal folks doing what
they can that shop Talk number sixty seven. If you
like this, please rate and review it. Please email me
anytime at Bill at normal Folks dot us. Simy ideas
(17:28):
for Army and Normal Folks Simmy ideas for shop Talk.
Love to hear them. Or if you just have any comments,
I promise you I'll answer. Subscribe to the podcast, rate
review it, what else?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Join the Army and Normal Folks dot us.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Show me the Army and normal Folks dot Us. Everybody,
that's shop Talk number sixty seven. We'll see you next week.
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