December 10, 2024 • 32 mins
Dakota celebrates his own Army of Normal Folks who’ve supported his greatness: Big Mike, Sergeant Major Hector Soto-Rodriguez, Tana Rattliff, Tim Kennedy, his daughter Sailor, and so many more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Everybody. It's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.
And we continue now a part two of our conversation
with Jakoda Meyer. Right after these brief messages from our
generous sponsors. You and I have a I don't want
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to put words in your mouth, but we have a
little bit of a similar background. And then my dad
left when I was young and had no relationship with him.
He died recently, still no relationship. Mom was smart and
hard working and always managed to figure out a way
to keep a roof over my head, and he fed
and clothed. But there wasn't a whole lot of consistency
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there in terms of men in my life. My mom
was married and divorced five times. My fourth daddy shot
at me down a hallway one day and I had
to dive out a window. I don't know that you
had that traumatic of an upbringing, but I think I
understand your story to be. Y'all bounced around a lot,
you and your mom and this guy ain't big Mike
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was briefly one of your mother's husbands. Yeah, And at eleven,
she said, look, I think the code would be better
with you and basically said Mike's your dad. I'm out.
And Big Mike didn't see that as a burden. He
saw it as an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean when you said about right, Yeah, I
mean when you look it, and my dad has sacrificed
his whole life taking care.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Of Big Mike. Is your dad?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, No, I mean look at look, here's the deal
is The reality is is just because your blood doesn't
mean your family, right like, just because your blood or
you know, titles are earned, they're not given. And the
title Dad is the most like is something that's earned, right, Like,
there's difference between a sperm donor and a dad.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So tell me about big mind and something about how
he supported your greatness.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I mean, listen, I mean my dad he gave consistency, Like,
he helped me accountable. He taught me what a work
ethic was. He taught me to you know one thing,
my dad always was very and my dad is the
hardest working you know the I mean, listen, he doesn't care.
He doesn't live his life based off the court of
public opinions. My dad lives his life based off his
foundations of what he believes is right and what's the
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right thing to do for the greater good. And you
know that that was just the way we grew up.
Work hard, you do what's right, you know you And
I think when I think of one word of my
dad and my grandfather and and and my uncle, the
men in my life, the core men, you know, the
biggest thing that that they ever really instilled in me
was was legacy. And and when you talk about legacy,
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you know, it's it's what and not not necessarily like
in this type of communication, but just through their actions,
was was that name represents a lot of people. Our
last name represents a lot lot of people. And when
you go out there and you better live and you
better represent it of what a Meyer is. And that
legacy is important because a lot of men have fought
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to build the reputation that a Meyer has and you
better protect that and you better honor it, and you
better live up to it every single day.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Big Mike was an engineer and a cow farmer. How's
that work out?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So he was so my grandfather was the engineer. My
dad went to college, he went to the UK. I
don't know what he got a degree in, but he was.
He also worked for a company called Southern States right,
which is like a tractor supply. It's a co op.
And you know, my dad ran that and and that's
a forty job at least. And the way my dad
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did it the right way was sixty hours. My dad
was the first one in there every day, and he
was a last one home every night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And that's the way my dad did everything. If my
dad was going to do it, he was going to
do it the right way. He didn't have asked anything.
I mean, that was what he instilled in us, was like,
you know, responsibility, accountability of doing things the right way,
finishing what you start. When you look at all these ethos,
I mean, these were uncompromisable ways of life no matter what.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So after that then he came home, put on overalls
and screwed with a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Cows another forty hours. Yeah, I mean that's that's my dad,
my dad. My work ethic that I have, like if
I I mean comes from my dad, like because he
just my dad was always always working to improve to
make things better, right, I mean, he was always doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So if one of the guys that supported your greatness
early on is big Mike ak Dad, the one word
you would describe that he lent to you as an
understanding of the legacy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, building a legacy. Who else, you know, I
mean a ton of people, right, I mean it takes
a village to raise a kid like me. And you know,
you take the teachers, you know, the coaches, you know.
But I would say, like the next person that was
probably instrumental and and changing the trajectory of my life
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was was a guy named he is now sergeant major,
but but soguez uh you know, he was a he
was a He was my staff sergeant when I was
in the in the Marine Corps Souez. So he was
is now it's it's sergeant major Soto.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But is that is that Sergeant Wan Rodriguez.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was a guy who was with.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Tell me about him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, this guy was you know he he believed
in in me before I ever believed in myself, and
helped me accountable to a standard, but also helped guide me,
helped teach me lessons and learning.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he was were you working under him?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Worked in Hawaii, So he was my sniper platoon sergeant
got it and and really just he poured into me
still does today. I mean I talked to him two
or three times a week, and uh, just a guy
who who really you know, taught me. He really is.
All the lessons that I have as a leader were
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really instilled. The foundational pieces of that were him, like
because he was an example. You know, he was probably
the first real leader that I came in contact with
that was a do as I do now as I say,
and you know what I mean, Like he wasn't the lead.
You know, there's two types of leadership do as I like,
do as I do, or do as I say? Yeah,
And he was the do as I do? Right, He
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was the leader by example and just a really incredible
guy that that kind of got me dialed in and
really amplified who I am today?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Did did? Was he a sniper two? He was? So
you do that training in Hawaii? Yeah that's so bad.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, go do it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know, the Marine Corps has a way of making
anything that you think would be nice miserable.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, that's called preparation. If Sergeant Rodriguez, if there's
one word that summed up kind of what part of
you he helped instill the most.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Selflessness?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Selflessness? I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, the guy is one of the most I mean selflessness.
Yeah yeah, and and and and there's there's still so many.
I mean, like we'd be here all day if I
if I try to list all of them, and I
would say, like probably another one. You know, gosh, there's
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just so many.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean it's a little bit bragging about.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, special Tanna Ratlast Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean,
you know Tanna Tanna.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean that's you know again, Mike Griffis, Tanna Heather,
like all of them, you know, they were they were
in high school, they were teachers, and you know, Tanna
really she she you know, she was kind of like
a mom to me, you know, always, you know, because
like growing up, I don't care, you know, even the girl,
my daughter's with me no matter what. I can't There's
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no way I can pretend to be that motherly love.
It's just you can try, you can say you can
do it, but but it's just impossible, right And and
so growing up with my dad, you know, I mean listen,
there was there was none of that. And you know,
I think Tanna was probably one of the first women
other than my grandmother that came in and was like
you know, really that really showed what she teach?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Did you know she was a special AD teacher?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So, and I I volunteered in her class?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Are you kidding? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And I volunteered in her class.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Is like she was a special AD teacher and you
volunteered there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, the volunteer in I've since.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You came around. Man, high school kids don't typically want
to volunteer in the special ages class. Let's be honest.
I mean, yeah, well, but there's there's a certain there's
there's a certain stigma around that, especially in high school.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think I think that. So I I think that
I think that people who so people who have been hurt,
they go one or two ways. They either continue to
hurt people or they step in and they continue to
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be the person that they needed when they needed it.
And if you want to know where it drives from,
it drives from that, right, Like you know, is that's
why I can't pass up wrong. I can't pass up
the way when like even still today, like people are like, oh,
you know, that's it's not your problem. No, it's going
to be my problem because obviously if somebody else, if
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everybody looks at it that way, you know, like I'm
not passing up a confrontation for the sake of I
don't want to do confrontation, Like if it's if somebody
needs to be protected, somebody needs to be taken care of,
somebody needs to be stood up for, Like I'm going
to do it because I know what it's like to
be that person, to have everybody stand there and watch
and not take up for that person. And I think
that's where early on it drove from.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Is is you know, just being dragged around by a
single mom.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well not just that, but the evil of some of
the kids.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I haven't talked about it much, but I mean elementary school,
Like I still remember, you know, the fourth grade was
probably and people might be like this is dumb, is not?
But the fourth grade there's a couple guys that I
steal to this day, Like I remember the way that
they were right, and I remember that's why even with
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my daughters, like I will not let my daughters use
the word bully. And I remember how evil they were,
not whether they knew it or not, but how evil
they were, and that shaped my whole Like being scared
to go to the bathroom because of these two guys
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in the fourth grade, like being scared to go anywhere
because of these two guys, Like I, once I got
to the point to know that nobody was going to
help me, and that I was going to go and
make sure the rest of my life that nobody would
ever in my presence have to feel that way to
fear any other human being. And I think that, you know,
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on that was something to be able, And I'm so
thankful that I had that that early because guess what,
it just means that I can help more people. I
know what it's like to be there. And that's where
all of it drives from.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
What did h if there's a word that describes what
you learned from your time with Miss Stanner and what
she instilled in you.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, Miss Tanner taught me empathy, you know what
I mean? Like she she was so empathetic in carrying
her and Marcus.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's interesting to me, dude, because you just told me
about bashing a guy's face in with a rock and
it's in and in that moment you actually had empathy
for him.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, because things aren't things aren't like things are complex.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
When you know, we talk about you believe in two
types of people, good and evil. And certainly we can
describe the Talaman as an e organization, at least in
our perspective, because they don't want women to be educated.
They you know, we can go on and on about
what they're doing that the Afghanan people haven't lived under.
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Yet again, well, this guy was fighting for what we
would call an evil cause, but you don't even see
him as evil.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's listen. Yes, he was evil,
but his evil was like, was driven from a lack
of information. It was on education.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
When you look at most of these fights amongst their
own society, it comes from uneducated people being driven in
education being weaponized and knowledge being weaponized to them in
order to drive them to divide each other. Right, And
so yeah, I under I understand that now, like I don't.
First off, I never said I regret at killing him, right,
he needed to die those the only way to get
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rid of evil is to kill it. There, you're not
changing evil's mind, you know you only the only way
to get rid of it is to kill it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And and which is an un comfortable, uh not very
politically correct, inconvenient, very raw truth.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But here's the reality. Let me I'm gonna give you
it even more direct and raw and real. Sometimes people
have to die so that others live. And if you're not,
if you can't do business that way and you can't
live with that, this ain't the business for you. People
want everybody to live, People want everybody to win like
people want That's not the way the world works.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It is so it is so stark to hear that
come out of the mouth of a person who talks
about selflessness and empathy and legacy as being some of
their most important lessons from the most important people in
their life. And we've become we've become so soft somehow
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that we don't understand that what you just said is
actually as loving a thing as could come out of
another man's mouth.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, but here's the thing is, is that's why you
have like I don't look externally to get my validation.
I don't look externally like never never has doing the
right thing or standing up for the right thing ever
been easy. Like if you're not willing to do conflict,
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like compromising on conflict for comfort gets us to where
we're at today.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's called complacency.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It is it is, it's called it's where you get weak.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So we've talked about Big Mike, We've talked about Soto Rodriguez,
Sergeant Rodriguez, we've talked about Miss Tanner, and I know, dude,
I'm putting you on the spot. There's probably thirty people,
but we don't have five hours. Is there a fourth
person at all in kind of the track of your
life that you feel like was instrumental and supporting kind
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of who you are now and supporting I know it
sounds weird to hear supporting greatness meaning you're great, but
you are great and you've achieved great things, and the
things that come out of your head and the narratives
and the lessons that people can learn from you are great.
So is there anybody else you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, I think there's a ton of people in
this next one. But what I'm going to root it
back to is my daughter Sailor. You know, my first daughter.
I've got to but my first one really really changed
the trajectory of sailor as sailor like the sailor, and so,
you know, the change the trajectory of it was understanding
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that I needed to be the man that she deserved,
not not the one that I was being and so
you know, I came back and I was dealing with depression, PTSD, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Which is common unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, yeah, it is common. Right, It's common in
the military, but it's also common in all of our
communities right now. Everybody, right Like the struggles that the
military or that I was dealing with was was no
nothing that was unique to us. It's something that the
whole population's dealing with right now. And so, you know,
I was drinking. I was, I mean, I was at
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shoe and I'll tell you it was a lot of
people around me like wouldn't question me, they wouldn't hold
me account, but they were like, oh, you know what
you've gone through. Couldn't imagine, you know, couldn't imagine what
you've gone through. And I gotta tell you something, you know,
I walked in a guy named Tim Kennedy. I was
working out with Tim and Shane and a guy named
Wan and his brother and you know, Brandon Harrell. And
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I walked into Tim one day and and I was
late for a workout and Tim looked at me and
he goes and I was in the middle of my divorce.
Lance Armstrong, was you know, part of this whole group,
and and just guys, I was just really just shared
suffering with right and I walk in and and Tim
looks at me and he goes, yeah, you've been missing
workouts and you're late. And I was like, yeah, you know,
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and really just victimization, but like just yeah, but you know, man,
I'm going through divorce. It's really tough right now, and
really just excuses and I and Tim looked at me
and goes, hey.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like when you walk in a room, people expect a warrior,
So how about you start acting like one. Oh I
love Tim, and uh And I gotta tell you, like
like it was one of those moments that like, that's
exactly what I need to hear. And I tell you
I got rid of everybody who was in my life
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before twenty eighteen is gone because all they were doing
was empowering me to waste my life. And Tim, Shane Wan,
all of them, you know, Brandon Lance, you know, they've
all held me accountable and you know, and and it
wasn't People might think, you know this this word love,
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and I want to I want to go back to
this piece of love. Love people people. The reason the
world's messed up right now is because people have tied
love to an emotion. And love is not an emotion.
It's a choice. Like love is not that temporary. Oh
you say, something to do with me, make me feel good.
That's not love, that's not love. Love is is truth,
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and love is holding people accountable and telling them what
they need to hear, even if it's not what they
want to hear. And that's what Tim and all those
guys do is accountability. Piece And so you know, I
got rid of all the people who are wasting my time.
But when you look at accountability, you look at like
like he calls it, we all call it, you know, shark,
keep keeping the sword, don't drop the sword. And you know,
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just being able to have that real people you trust
that are going to tell you what you need to hear,
even if it doesn't feel good, and even if it's
going to piss you off. Like these are guys that
love you, Like Tim loves me and loves me. Lance
loves me. Like when you go down this, like Wan
loves me. That these guys love me. They like they
don't give it how I feel. They don't give it
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what you know, if it hurts my feelings or not.
They're going to always tell me what I need to hear,
so that I'm always who I should be and who
I strive to be.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
They're your compass, They're my compass. We will be right back,
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Taylor Sailor.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, Sailor, Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah what you said. You wanted.
You wanted to be what you were supposed to be
for her.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know, the reality is every problem on the earth
right now is caused by weak men. Every single problem
that we see in society, We've seen her homes. Every
one of them is rooted. You're seeing symptoms that are
rooted by weak men, period. And so you know, when
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I look at my daughter, Sailor, I realized early on
that I'm going to be the longest man she ever dates.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Wow, And.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I can't ever become or be what I'm trying to
protect her from. And I had to get my together
because she's watching every move I make. I have the
I have the So first off, I'm gonna get eighteen
years with her, I automatically get the highest status of
a male figure in her life. So I am either
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gonna like I'm gonna be the bar so I better
be the bar because when she goes out, she starts
dating men. If they're I need to go looking. I
only got one person to blame, and that's me.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What does she taught you? What's the word? What's the
what's the phrase? What do you feel inside you when
you think about what you've learned from being a dad
to your daughter?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I don't know, Like when whenever I when I think
about my daughter, Sailor and and Attlee, I mean obviously
both of them, h uh, they teach a different type
of love, like there's it's not it's obviously still unconditional love,
but it's but it's more of because with them, when
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it comes to love, it's it's not it's not it's
not direct. It's still rooted in directness, but it's it's
about I don't know, like I I guess like it's
it's I still go back to love with them, like
because they but I think accountability, you know, I think
accountability is what I would say, right like they are
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you talk about the anchor of of of who I
If I go back to it and I wake up
and I don't want to do it for myself, I've
got to do it for them right, and and and
I think I think I would say I would say
accountability is what I would put both of those two
on because I'll tell you this. I think I think
a way that God softens hard men as he gives
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them daughters.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
M I got two of them, and it is true, bro, Yeah, yeah,
And Lisa and I often talk about our sons will
expect from their wives and treat their wives how they
see me treat my wife and our daughter will be
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two and for a man and expect from a man
what they see Lisa give and treat me. And if
we don't square up on what that illustration is and
we end up with a bunch of broken, dysfunctional, crappy
grandchildren and horrible in laws, it is because we reap
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what we sew.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But you know what, that goes back to legacy. It's anchored.
Everything you're talking about is anchored in legacy. The the
you not get like the stakes are high, like people.
The problem is is people stopped giving about these little
things about the stakes being high and understanding how high
the stakes are of these small moments right of how
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you treat you think people are not living with intentions.
We've got to have We've got to have intentional living,
intentional thoughts, intentional conversations of trying to accomplish something. And
people aren't doing that. They're just going with the flow.
They're just having doing to do and without any intentions.
And so you know, when you look at this, how
you treat think about this, how you treat your wife,
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and how you build and your you keep your house
in order, and you living with that intention of hey, howe,
how I talk to my wife in this situation that
the secondary and tertiary effects of that to your grandchildren,
you will I mean, the stuff the problems we're dealing
with right now are the that's been passed on from
generations and that and we're just dealing with all of it.
And you have a choice when something we're all, none
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of us are getting out of this life unscathed of bad, trauma, hurt, pain,
that's part. That's part of the world. The world is painful.
But you got one or two options. You can either
take that pain in, process it, get through it, learn
from it and help others with it and turn it
into good, or you'll pass it on.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Once again, good versus evil? What wins?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
What wins good versus evil Dakota.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I could spend easily three hours, have a beer break
and spend three or four hours with you and cut
up some really, really read well burnt meat. And I
wish we had the time to time Aman. I hope so,
But I do want to I do want to say this.
I sit across from a lot of people every week
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and one of the biggest regrets in my life is
I did not serve my country in the military, and
almost did, and I didn't. I wish I could. I
honestly do wish that I could look you in the
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eye and tell you I understand. And I can't. But
what I can do is listen and learn and be
inspired by And I am by you and your brothers
and all of those who have fallen for our freedoms.
And your story is incredibly phenomenal. But as we think
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about that greatness, and as we think about your story,
and as we think about the heroism of you and
the people that served alongside you, and we think about
the fact that we sleep well at night because men
like you are on the wall, I think it's really
important to talk about that legacy that you were talking about,
and that legacy goes back to who supported you to
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get to a point like this to be so inspirational
for us. And when we talk about Big Mike, your
dad and what he taught you about legacy. And Soto Rodriguez,
a sniper platoon sergeant and structor who who taught you
how to lead by actions and taught you about selflessness.
And your teacher, Miss Tanner, who was a special edge
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teacher who taught you about empathy and showed you to
stand up for the weakest among us. And then your
daughters teaching about love and accountability to fatherhood, and then
guys like Tim and Shawn and Juan and Brandon and
Lance who talked to you about love but brotherly love
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and acountability and all of these fundamentals and tenants that
comprise the man that you are. I just think it
needs to remind us that at the end of the day,
even the greatest among us are who they are and
was supported by an army and normal folks, just normal
folks doing what they could for you, and the power
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of that army even in your life as you and
the power of your army create freedoms for our lives. So, dude,
the lessons for you the lessons from you and the
lessons too, and sharing him with us today. I just
can't thank you enough. And I really would like to
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have about seven more hours with you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh h no, listen, thank you, thank you so much
for having me, like, what an awesome thing up. And
I'll say, it's like, you know, don't regret anything, and
I'll tell you why, because to say that you would
change one thing means that you're saying you would change
what you're doing today, and to change one thing changes everything.
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You don't know, you might not be able to be
here to tell the stories of David, of myself, of
all these other people, all these people who are listening
to you. Anytime you live with regret, that regret is
holding space for things that you could be doing to
help others, and it's not serving anything that you're trying
to do. Right, I've lived my whole life. I live
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a lot lot of life with regret, and I don't
do it anymore. You not serving, it's probably there's probably
a reason for it, right, And what you're doing today
to still give back and to still tell the stories
of people is probably way more impactful on the greater
good communities than your service and uniform ever could have.
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So I think we while we might while were none
of us, most of us aren't where we wanted to
be or where we thought we should be. I think
we're all where we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I appreciate that, I really do. But telling stories and
winning the medal of honor two completely different things that
we could argue about that over here.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Toakota, Thanks so much. Have safe travels wherever they were
you headed.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm head back to Austin and Miami in the morning.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah. Are you the demands on you big?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, listen, anytime I can be busy and anytime
I can go remind people, I'll tell you people need
hope right now, any to help the world. Every room
you walk into, people are struggling with something, people are
worried about something. The world needs hope right now. They
need to be reminded that the reality of there today
isn't the reality of their forever. And so you know,
we got to remind people it's still worth going out
and doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
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Everybody. It's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.
And we continue now a part two of our conversation
with Jakoda Meyer. Right after these brief messages from our
generous sponsors. You and I have a I don't want
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to put words in your mouth, but we have a
little bit of a similar background. And then my dad
left when I was young and had no relationship with him.
He died recently, still no relationship. Mom was smart and
hard working and always managed to figure out a way
to keep a roof over my head, and he fed
and clothed. But there wasn't a whole lot of consistency
(00:53):
there in terms of men in my life. My mom
was married and divorced five times. My fourth daddy shot
at me down a hallway one day and I had
to dive out a window. I don't know that you
had that traumatic of an upbringing, but I think I
understand your story to be. Y'all bounced around a lot,
you and your mom and this guy ain't big Mike
(01:14):
was briefly one of your mother's husbands. Yeah, And at eleven,
she said, look, I think the code would be better
with you and basically said Mike's your dad. I'm out.
And Big Mike didn't see that as a burden. He
saw it as an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I mean when you said about right, Yeah, I
mean when you look it, and my dad has sacrificed
his whole life taking care.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Of Big Mike. Is your dad?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, No, I mean look at look, here's the deal
is The reality is is just because your blood doesn't
mean your family, right like, just because your blood or
you know, titles are earned, they're not given. And the
title Dad is the most like is something that's earned, right, Like,
there's difference between a sperm donor and a dad.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So tell me about big mind and something about how
he supported your greatness.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I mean, listen, I mean my dad he gave consistency, Like,
he helped me accountable. He taught me what a work
ethic was. He taught me to you know one thing,
my dad always was very and my dad is the
hardest working you know the I mean, listen, he doesn't care.
He doesn't live his life based off the court of
public opinions. My dad lives his life based off his
foundations of what he believes is right and what's the
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right thing to do for the greater good. And you
know that that was just the way we grew up.
Work hard, you do what's right, you know you And
I think when I think of one word of my
dad and my grandfather and and and my uncle, the
men in my life, the core men, you know, the
biggest thing that that they ever really instilled in me
was was legacy. And and when you talk about legacy,
(02:48):
you know, it's it's what and not not necessarily like
in this type of communication, but just through their actions,
was was that name represents a lot of people. Our
last name represents a lot lot of people. And when
you go out there and you better live and you
better represent it of what a Meyer is. And that
legacy is important because a lot of men have fought
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to build the reputation that a Meyer has and you
better protect that and you better honor it, and you
better live up to it every single day.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Big Mike was an engineer and a cow farmer. How's
that work out?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So he was so my grandfather was the engineer. My
dad went to college, he went to the UK. I
don't know what he got a degree in, but he was.
He also worked for a company called Southern States right,
which is like a tractor supply. It's a co op.
And you know, my dad ran that and and that's
a forty job at least. And the way my dad
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did it the right way was sixty hours. My dad
was the first one in there every day, and he
was a last one home every night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And that's the way my dad did everything. If my
dad was going to do it, he was going to
do it the right way. He didn't have asked anything.
I mean, that was what he instilled in us, was like,
you know, responsibility, accountability of doing things the right way,
finishing what you start. When you look at all these ethos,
I mean, these were uncompromisable ways of life no matter what.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So after that then he came home, put on overalls
and screwed with a bunch of.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Cows another forty hours. Yeah, I mean that's that's my dad,
my dad. My work ethic that I have, like if
I I mean comes from my dad, like because he
just my dad was always always working to improve to
make things better, right, I mean, he was always doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So if one of the guys that supported your greatness
early on is big Mike ak Dad, the one word
you would describe that he lent to you as an
understanding of the legacy.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, building a legacy. Who else, you know, I
mean a ton of people, right, I mean it takes
a village to raise a kid like me. And you know,
you take the teachers, you know, the coaches, you know.
But I would say, like the next person that was
probably instrumental and and changing the trajectory of my life
(05:05):
was was a guy named he is now sergeant major,
but but soguez uh you know, he was a he
was a He was my staff sergeant when I was
in the in the Marine Corps Souez. So he was
is now it's it's sergeant major Soto.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But is that is that Sergeant Wan Rodriguez.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was a guy who was with.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Tell me about him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, this guy was you know he he believed
in in me before I ever believed in myself, and
helped me accountable to a standard, but also helped guide me,
helped teach me lessons and learning.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he was were you working under him?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Worked in Hawaii, So he was my sniper platoon sergeant
got it and and really just he poured into me
still does today. I mean I talked to him two
or three times a week, and uh, just a guy
who who really you know, taught me. He really is.
All the lessons that I have as a leader were
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really instilled. The foundational pieces of that were him, like
because he was an example. You know, he was probably
the first real leader that I came in contact with
that was a do as I do now as I say,
and you know what I mean, Like he wasn't the lead.
You know, there's two types of leadership do as I like,
do as I do, or do as I say? Yeah,
And he was the do as I do? Right, He
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was the leader by example and just a really incredible
guy that that kind of got me dialed in and
really amplified who I am today?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Did did? Was he a sniper two? He was? So
you do that training in Hawaii? Yeah that's so bad.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, go do it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You know, the Marine Corps has a way of making
anything that you think would be nice miserable.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, that's called preparation. If Sergeant Rodriguez, if there's
one word that summed up kind of what part of
you he helped instill the most.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Selflessness?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Selflessness? I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, the guy is one of the most I mean selflessness.
Yeah yeah, and and and and there's there's still so many.
I mean, like we'd be here all day if I
if I try to list all of them, and I
would say, like probably another one. You know, gosh, there's
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just so many.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean it's a little bit bragging about.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, special Tanna Ratlast Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean,
you know Tanna Tanna.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean that's you know again, Mike Griffis, Tanna Heather,
like all of them, you know, they were they were
in high school, they were teachers, and you know, Tanna
really she she you know, she was kind of like
a mom to me, you know, always, you know, because
like growing up, I don't care, you know, even the girl,
my daughter's with me no matter what. I can't There's
(08:26):
no way I can pretend to be that motherly love.
It's just you can try, you can say you can
do it, but but it's just impossible, right And and
so growing up with my dad, you know, I mean listen,
there was there was none of that. And you know,
I think Tanna was probably one of the first women
other than my grandmother that came in and was like
you know, really that really showed what she teach?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Did you know she was a special AD teacher?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So, and I I volunteered in her class?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Are you kidding? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And I volunteered in her class.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Is like she was a special AD teacher and you
volunteered there.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, the volunteer in I've since.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You came around. Man, high school kids don't typically want
to volunteer in the special ages class. Let's be honest.
I mean, yeah, well, but there's there's a certain there's
there's a certain stigma around that, especially in high school.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think I think that. So I I think that
I think that people who so people who have been hurt,
they go one or two ways. They either continue to
hurt people or they step in and they continue to
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be the person that they needed when they needed it.
And if you want to know where it drives from,
it drives from that, right, Like you know, is that's
why I can't pass up wrong. I can't pass up
the way when like even still today, like people are like, oh,
you know, that's it's not your problem. No, it's going
to be my problem because obviously if somebody else, if
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everybody looks at it that way, you know, like I'm
not passing up a confrontation for the sake of I
don't want to do confrontation, Like if it's if somebody
needs to be protected, somebody needs to be taken care of,
somebody needs to be stood up for, Like I'm going
to do it because I know what it's like to
be that person, to have everybody stand there and watch
and not take up for that person. And I think
that's where early on it drove from.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Is is you know, just being dragged around by a
single mom.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well not just that, but the evil of some of
the kids.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I haven't talked about it much, but I mean elementary school,
Like I still remember, you know, the fourth grade was
probably and people might be like this is dumb, is not?
But the fourth grade there's a couple guys that I
steal to this day, Like I remember the way that
they were right, and I remember that's why even with
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my daughters, like I will not let my daughters use
the word bully. And I remember how evil they were,
not whether they knew it or not, but how evil
they were, and that shaped my whole Like being scared
to go to the bathroom because of these two guys
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in the fourth grade, like being scared to go anywhere
because of these two guys, Like I, once I got
to the point to know that nobody was going to
help me, and that I was going to go and
make sure the rest of my life that nobody would
ever in my presence have to feel that way to
fear any other human being. And I think that, you know,
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on that was something to be able, And I'm so
thankful that I had that that early because guess what,
it just means that I can help more people. I
know what it's like to be there. And that's where
all of it drives from.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
What did h if there's a word that describes what
you learned from your time with Miss Stanner and what
she instilled in you.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, Miss Tanner taught me empathy, you know what
I mean? Like she she was so empathetic in carrying
her and Marcus.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's interesting to me, dude, because you just told me
about bashing a guy's face in with a rock and
it's in and in that moment you actually had empathy
for him.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, because things aren't things aren't like things are complex.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
When you know, we talk about you believe in two
types of people, good and evil. And certainly we can
describe the Talaman as an e organization, at least in
our perspective, because they don't want women to be educated.
They you know, we can go on and on about
what they're doing that the Afghanan people haven't lived under.
(13:14):
Yet again, well, this guy was fighting for what we
would call an evil cause, but you don't even see
him as evil.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's listen. Yes, he was evil,
but his evil was like, was driven from a lack
of information. It was on education.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
When you look at most of these fights amongst their
own society, it comes from uneducated people being driven in
education being weaponized and knowledge being weaponized to them in
order to drive them to divide each other. Right, And
so yeah, I under I understand that now, like I don't.
First off, I never said I regret at killing him, right,
he needed to die those the only way to get
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rid of evil is to kill it. There, you're not
changing evil's mind, you know you only the only way
to get rid of it is to kill it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And and which is an un comfortable, uh not very
politically correct, inconvenient, very raw truth.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But here's the reality. Let me I'm gonna give you
it even more direct and raw and real. Sometimes people
have to die so that others live. And if you're not,
if you can't do business that way and you can't
live with that, this ain't the business for you. People
want everybody to live, People want everybody to win like
people want That's not the way the world works.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It is so it is so stark to hear that
come out of the mouth of a person who talks
about selflessness and empathy and legacy as being some of
their most important lessons from the most important people in
their life. And we've become we've become so soft somehow
(14:58):
that we don't understand that what you just said is
actually as loving a thing as could come out of
another man's mouth.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, but here's the thing is, is that's why you
have like I don't look externally to get my validation.
I don't look externally like never never has doing the
right thing or standing up for the right thing ever
been easy. Like if you're not willing to do conflict,
(15:27):
like compromising on conflict for comfort gets us to where
we're at today.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's called complacency.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It is it is, it's called it's where you get weak.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So we've talked about Big Mike, We've talked about Soto Rodriguez,
Sergeant Rodriguez, we've talked about Miss Tanner, and I know, dude,
I'm putting you on the spot. There's probably thirty people,
but we don't have five hours. Is there a fourth
person at all in kind of the track of your
life that you feel like was instrumental and supporting kind
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of who you are now and supporting I know it
sounds weird to hear supporting greatness meaning you're great, but
you are great and you've achieved great things, and the
things that come out of your head and the narratives
and the lessons that people can learn from you are great.
So is there anybody else you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, I think there's a ton of people in
this next one. But what I'm going to root it
back to is my daughter Sailor. You know, my first daughter.
I've got to but my first one really really changed
the trajectory of sailor as sailor like the sailor, and so,
you know, the change the trajectory of it was understanding
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that I needed to be the man that she deserved,
not not the one that I was being and so
you know, I came back and I was dealing with depression, PTSD, anxiety.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Which is common unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, yeah, it is common. Right, It's common in
the military, but it's also common in all of our
communities right now. Everybody, right Like the struggles that the
military or that I was dealing with was was no
nothing that was unique to us. It's something that the
whole population's dealing with right now. And so, you know,
I was drinking. I was, I mean, I was at
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shoe and I'll tell you it was a lot of
people around me like wouldn't question me, they wouldn't hold
me account, but they were like, oh, you know what
you've gone through. Couldn't imagine, you know, couldn't imagine what
you've gone through. And I gotta tell you something, you know,
I walked in a guy named Tim Kennedy. I was
working out with Tim and Shane and a guy named
Wan and his brother and you know, Brandon Harrell. And
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I walked into Tim one day and and I was
late for a workout and Tim looked at me and
he goes and I was in the middle of my divorce.
Lance Armstrong, was you know, part of this whole group,
and and just guys, I was just really just shared
suffering with right and I walk in and and Tim
looks at me and he goes, yeah, you've been missing
workouts and you're late. And I was like, yeah, you know,
(18:05):
and really just victimization, but like just yeah, but you know, man,
I'm going through divorce. It's really tough right now, and
really just excuses and I and Tim looked at me
and goes, hey.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like when you walk in a room, people expect a warrior,
So how about you start acting like one. Oh I
love Tim, and uh And I gotta tell you, like
like it was one of those moments that like, that's
exactly what I need to hear. And I tell you
I got rid of everybody who was in my life
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before twenty eighteen is gone because all they were doing
was empowering me to waste my life. And Tim, Shane Wan,
all of them, you know, Brandon Lance, you know, they've
all held me accountable and you know, and and it
wasn't People might think, you know this this word love,
(19:03):
and I want to I want to go back to
this piece of love. Love people people. The reason the
world's messed up right now is because people have tied
love to an emotion. And love is not an emotion.
It's a choice. Like love is not that temporary. Oh
you say, something to do with me, make me feel good.
That's not love, that's not love. Love is is truth,
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and love is holding people accountable and telling them what
they need to hear, even if it's not what they
want to hear. And that's what Tim and all those
guys do is accountability. Piece And so you know, I
got rid of all the people who are wasting my time.
But when you look at accountability, you look at like
like he calls it, we all call it, you know, shark,
keep keeping the sword, don't drop the sword. And you know,
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just being able to have that real people you trust
that are going to tell you what you need to hear,
even if it doesn't feel good, and even if it's
going to piss you off. Like these are guys that
love you, Like Tim loves me and loves me. Lance
loves me. Like when you go down this, like Wan
loves me. That these guys love me. They like they
don't give it how I feel. They don't give it
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what you know, if it hurts my feelings or not.
They're going to always tell me what I need to hear,
so that I'm always who I should be and who
I strive to be.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
They're your compass, They're my compass. We will be right back,
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Taylor Sailor.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, Sailor, Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah what you said. You wanted.
You wanted to be what you were supposed to be
for her.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You know, the reality is every problem on the earth
right now is caused by weak men. Every single problem
that we see in society, We've seen her homes. Every
one of them is rooted. You're seeing symptoms that are
rooted by weak men, period. And so you know, when
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I look at my daughter, Sailor, I realized early on
that I'm going to be the longest man she ever dates.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Wow, And.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I can't ever become or be what I'm trying to
protect her from. And I had to get my together
because she's watching every move I make. I have the
I have the So first off, I'm gonna get eighteen
years with her, I automatically get the highest status of
a male figure in her life. So I am either
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gonna like I'm gonna be the bar so I better
be the bar because when she goes out, she starts
dating men. If they're I need to go looking. I
only got one person to blame, and that's me.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What does she taught you? What's the word? What's the
what's the phrase? What do you feel inside you when
you think about what you've learned from being a dad
to your daughter?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I don't know, Like when whenever I when I think
about my daughter, Sailor and and Attlee, I mean obviously
both of them, h uh, they teach a different type
of love, like there's it's not it's obviously still unconditional love,
but it's but it's more of because with them, when
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it comes to love, it's it's not it's not it's
not direct. It's still rooted in directness, but it's it's
about I don't know, like I I guess like it's
it's I still go back to love with them, like
because they but I think accountability, you know, I think
accountability is what I would say, right like they are
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you talk about the anchor of of of who I
If I go back to it and I wake up
and I don't want to do it for myself, I've
got to do it for them right, and and and
I think I think I would say I would say
accountability is what I would put both of those two
on because I'll tell you this. I think I think
a way that God softens hard men as he gives
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them daughters.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
M I got two of them, and it is true, bro, Yeah, yeah,
And Lisa and I often talk about our sons will
expect from their wives and treat their wives how they
see me treat my wife and our daughter will be
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two and for a man and expect from a man
what they see Lisa give and treat me. And if
we don't square up on what that illustration is and
we end up with a bunch of broken, dysfunctional, crappy
grandchildren and horrible in laws, it is because we reap
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what we sew.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But you know what, that goes back to legacy. It's anchored.
Everything you're talking about is anchored in legacy. The the
you not get like the stakes are high, like people.
The problem is is people stopped giving about these little
things about the stakes being high and understanding how high
the stakes are of these small moments right of how
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you treat you think people are not living with intentions.
We've got to have We've got to have intentional living,
intentional thoughts, intentional conversations of trying to accomplish something. And
people aren't doing that. They're just going with the flow.
They're just having doing to do and without any intentions.
And so you know, when you look at this, how
you treat think about this, how you treat your wife,
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and how you build and your you keep your house
in order, and you living with that intention of hey, howe,
how I talk to my wife in this situation that
the secondary and tertiary effects of that to your grandchildren,
you will I mean, the stuff the problems we're dealing
with right now are the that's been passed on from
generations and that and we're just dealing with all of it.
And you have a choice when something we're all, none
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of us are getting out of this life unscathed of bad, trauma, hurt, pain,
that's part. That's part of the world. The world is painful.
But you got one or two options. You can either
take that pain in, process it, get through it, learn
from it and help others with it and turn it
into good, or you'll pass it on.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Once again, good versus evil? What wins?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
What wins good versus evil Dakota.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I could spend easily three hours, have a beer break
and spend three or four hours with you and cut
up some really, really read well burnt meat. And I
wish we had the time to time Aman. I hope so,
But I do want to I do want to say this.
I sit across from a lot of people every week
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and one of the biggest regrets in my life is
I did not serve my country in the military, and
almost did, and I didn't. I wish I could. I
honestly do wish that I could look you in the
(26:34):
eye and tell you I understand. And I can't. But
what I can do is listen and learn and be
inspired by And I am by you and your brothers
and all of those who have fallen for our freedoms.
And your story is incredibly phenomenal. But as we think
(26:57):
about that greatness, and as we think about your story,
and as we think about the heroism of you and
the people that served alongside you, and we think about
the fact that we sleep well at night because men
like you are on the wall, I think it's really
important to talk about that legacy that you were talking about,
and that legacy goes back to who supported you to
(27:17):
get to a point like this to be so inspirational
for us. And when we talk about Big Mike, your
dad and what he taught you about legacy. And Soto Rodriguez,
a sniper platoon sergeant and structor who who taught you
how to lead by actions and taught you about selflessness.
And your teacher, Miss Tanner, who was a special edge
(27:39):
teacher who taught you about empathy and showed you to
stand up for the weakest among us. And then your
daughters teaching about love and accountability to fatherhood, and then
guys like Tim and Shawn and Juan and Brandon and
Lance who talked to you about love but brotherly love
(27:59):
and acountability and all of these fundamentals and tenants that
comprise the man that you are. I just think it
needs to remind us that at the end of the day,
even the greatest among us are who they are and
was supported by an army and normal folks, just normal
folks doing what they could for you, and the power
(28:21):
of that army even in your life as you and
the power of your army create freedoms for our lives. So, dude,
the lessons for you the lessons from you and the
lessons too, and sharing him with us today. I just
can't thank you enough. And I really would like to
(28:43):
have about seven more hours with you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Oh h no, listen, thank you, thank you so much
for having me, like, what an awesome thing up. And
I'll say, it's like, you know, don't regret anything, and
I'll tell you why, because to say that you would
change one thing means that you're saying you would change
what you're doing today, and to change one thing changes everything.
(29:08):
You don't know, you might not be able to be
here to tell the stories of David, of myself, of
all these other people, all these people who are listening
to you. Anytime you live with regret, that regret is
holding space for things that you could be doing to
help others, and it's not serving anything that you're trying
to do. Right, I've lived my whole life. I live
(29:29):
a lot lot of life with regret, and I don't
do it anymore. You not serving, it's probably there's probably
a reason for it, right, And what you're doing today
to still give back and to still tell the stories
of people is probably way more impactful on the greater
good communities than your service and uniform ever could have.
(29:49):
So I think we while we might while were none
of us, most of us aren't where we wanted to
be or where we thought we should be. I think
we're all where we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I appreciate that, I really do. But telling stories and
winning the medal of honor two completely different things that
we could argue about that over here.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Toakota, Thanks so much. Have safe travels wherever they were
you headed.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm head back to Austin and Miami in the morning.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah. Are you the demands on you big?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, listen, anytime I can be busy and anytime
I can go remind people, I'll tell you people need
hope right now, any to help the world. Every room
you walk into, people are struggling with something, people are
worried about something. The world needs hope right now. They
need to be reminded that the reality of there today
isn't the reality of their forever. And so you know,
we got to remind people it's still worth going out
and doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Dakota Meyer, God blessing God speak, thank you and thank
you for joining us this week. If Dakota Meyer or
other guests have inspired you in general, or better yet,
by joining the military, supporting some want in your life,
to help them achieve the greatness that they're called to achieve,
(31:04):
or something else entirely. Please let me know I'd love
to hear about it. You can write me anytime at
Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I promise I will respond.
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