February 15, 2024 • 64 mins
It's happening! Mr. Schue is on the pod!!!
Yes, Matthew Morrison joins Jenna and Kevin to talk all about the highs and lows of working on Glee! We learn who he flirted with during his audition (it worked!), why he felt he let the cast down, his relationship with Jane Lynch, and reliving a raw moment in time … Matthew gets emotional talking about the pressures of fame, the stress of their crazy work schedule, and dealing with all the hate his character was getting.
Plus, who he misses the most from the cast, his favorite guest star, and a surprising revelation … He spills all the tea!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to You, and that's
what you really miss podcast. Mister Shoe. We got him.
He's here. We finally got him. He's here, he's here,
locked and loaded. We have a long talk and it's great.
It was just so nice to catch up. You know.
(00:26):
That's the best part of this, isn't it, of course
a reunion. It is genuinely like I got you, now
get You've got you in my grasp just a FaceTime
and then we're recording it exactly a really great interview. Really,
I'm honest and wonderful. So we'll let you just listen
to it now and you don't have to listen to
our voices anymore. Well, kind of hi, friends, it's good
(00:50):
to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know, you look wealthy. I'm looking at you. You
look rested, and I feel like and you look rested.
You look that's like wealth You look good.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah good, I like that, you know. I feel I
don't feel yeah, I do feel wealthy. I feel rested.
I don't know about rested, but like my heart is happy.
I my family's great. Yeah, I feel really, really good.
So thank you for noticing.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, it's so nice to see you. Thank you for
hanging with us clowns.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Thanks for inviting me. I didn't even invited me. I
was gonna say, like, it's about timey inviting, but you
have invited me before and I.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Just have a few times. No, that's okay. It's hard
to get a hold of you, but you always respond,
which is so nice. And before we get into the
glee of it all, you're doing Chicago in Japan and
did the whole announcement in Japanese, which was mind blowing.
It was really impressive. I saw it. I was like, oh,
(01:52):
of course he did. Like I was shocked, and also
it was zero person shocked. At the same time, I
was like, if anybody can figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Uh, you know, I thought to make a bigger impact
in terms of ticket sales, especially when like you're in
a culture that they do speak English a lot there,
but there's you know, a predominant probably most of them
don't speak English. So yeah, I wanted to speak to
the people. So I called my friend Charlie Okumura who
(02:21):
lives in Tokyo, and him and his wife kind of
put I said what I wanted to say, and they
kind of like put it together for me. I sent
it back to them and they're like, no, this is
what you can. They basically gave me work for a word,
like how to pronounce it and stuff, and so it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was very convincing. I feel I thought you were going
to say like, oh, yeah, I've been learning, I've been
learning the language, and like I've been working on it,
because it was very good. I mean from what I
the little we know, but well, yeah, I mean but awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, you know, I love language,
you know, doing that light in the Piazza show on Broadway,
like how to speak how to speak Italian. I just
love immerse myself in language is such a beautiful challenge.
But then you get to challenge yourself in trouble when
you actually have a good accent and you start can
speak a few words. Then people just start like talking
(03:12):
to you like yes, sorry, sorry, Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Have you spent a lot of time in Japan before?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, I have. Actually I do a lot of concerts
in Japan. Yeah, it's been. It's it's a lovely market
for me, I think for all of us. I think,
you know, Glee was well, very well received over there,
so you know, that opened up a lot of places
to go and to perform. So I'm gonna be doing
that show. And for me, that show is kind of
(03:45):
to see where I'm at in terms of live performances again,
because it's been a while and since twenty fifteen. Yeah,
and so for me, it's just to kind of say, like, Okay,
you know, I wanted to give myself a big break
to you know, be there for this, you know, pivotal
time in my children's lives. But for right now, I
feel this call to go back to the stage, and
(04:07):
I just don't want to jump right into a Broadway
show and be like, oh, this is a lot. So
I thought it would be a good, like kind of
stepping stone to yeah, see how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I have a feeling we know what that's going to
be for you, but I do. I do love it.
But it's smart. It's a smart move. But that's awesome.
It's very exciting. Okay, mister Shoe, it's been a while
and everybody's been asking for you, and so we just
I think we have to talk about Glee.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay. I just want to preface this my memory is horrible,
and you might spark some memories. I'll be like, oh
yeah and stuff, but yeah, yeah, I am. I'm really
interested to where this conversation is going to go.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So you know, yes, I think it's important for everyone listening,
mostly for us because our memories are also not good.
So it makes me feel seen.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You talk about this all the time, you know, and yeah,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We're reminded, but it's it's so don't feel bad if
you don't remember things because we do not I won't. Yeah, Okay,
we're watching things like that. We're into season three now
and there have been full scenes for the first time
where like I am speaking or singing and I have
no recollection of being there zero and it is.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I saw when that started kicking in for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, like every day is the same. We don't know
what's going on anymore, and you're just like shooting once
like yeah, yes, yes, have you watched any Glee since
you since we finished?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm still triggered by don't Believing though for sure
forever since the end of time? Uh No, but I haven't.
I'm actually waiting my son, Reveel, who's six years old
now having the experience of seeing me being recognized in him,
(06:02):
kind of knowing me as a famous person. It's so weird.
It's so I mean, I hate it. I hate it
because it's like, you know, I want you to love
me for me as as your papa. You know, I
don't want you to be influenced by any these and
that's kind of like why I wanted to get out
of Los Angeles as well. So it's it's it's weird
kind of navigating that as a parent. But it's still,
(06:24):
you know, as you all know, it's probably it's still
very much a part of people's stores and upbringings and
the zeitgeist and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Are you recognized a lot more? Because I feel like
when I leave LA, I'm recognized way more than I
am with in LA. People actually come up to me.
Here everyone's you know, sort of jaded or used to
seeing people who are on TV, So like, does it
happen I feel like it must happen to you a
lot more there.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Where I live, it it actually doesn't. Everyone's very respectful.
I can see like the acknowledgment of it, but rarely
do the people come up and say anything to me.
It's usually the most I get it is overseas. H.
I don't know what that is, but yeah, it's it's
mostly overseas, but here like small town. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That's nice. Now, I can't remember we watched the pilot
together back in the day. You we came over Lee
and I and we all watched it together in between
waiting to be picked up and shooting the pilot. Can
you remember, though, you guys are watched shooters. Yeah, but
(07:40):
I can't remember. Did you have what was your audition
process like or did you just get offered?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No? I definitely didn't get offered the role. So my
audition process was just a regular audition. I was doing
so specific on Broadway at the time, and I just
got an audition. I went in the room to put
myself on tape, and so they would send all the
(08:09):
tapes to LA and I sang on the straight relive
of course, my go to song, and then I did
the scenes and from there, I you know, Ryan and
Brad and Ian and some other producers. They came to
New York to have like the New York audition. I
(08:30):
think I was doing a play called Naked Girl in
the Appian way and it was this. The woman playing
my mother in the show was this brilliant actress named
Joe Clayburg and she was nominated for oscars and stuff
back in the day, but she took a long hiatus
to raise her kids. I don't know if you know
Lily Rabe is one of her daughter. She's a she's phenomenal.
(08:54):
She's she's passed now, but she's She was someone who
was like really like the figure of my life. But
she had worked closely. I forget what she and Ran did,
but I can't even she said the story, but she said,
when you go into the audition, just flirt with Ryan.
I was like, what me, And She's like, you know,
(09:18):
just just just flirt, just just be you, just be flirty.
And so that was my like going in. I just
felt like I'm just gonna, like, you know, just like
give him compliments, you know, and stuff and it and
it totally worked. He was like he was just like
loving what I was doing. Uh yeah, he was like
I remember one thing, he complimented my shoes. He was
(09:41):
really my shoes, like we're like these motorcycle boots or something.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And we know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Of course, when I said, oh, those are.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's a big compliment.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah. I don't think he's ever called me on anything
else in my life, but but the boots were a
big part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, So yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And then from that AUDI, I had a really good
feeling about about it, and they flew me. I think
I was the only one that flew in from New
York for this for the network test. And I remember
before I went into the room, you know, I kind
(10:20):
of my agent was kind of saying that I was
the guy, but you never want to know that at
the time. It's some pressure on you. But Ryan came
and had a conversation with me before I tested, and
he said, this is yours to lose. He's like, he's like,
we all want you, but this is yours to lose.
And I don't know if that was exactly the exact phrasing,
(10:42):
but that I was the guy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just don't get up because we want you to yea.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And I I believe I was shaking, but I I,
you know, I have a lot of obviously live performance experience,
so I went in there. I felt pretty good about it,
and uh, but it been in my head. I kind
of I remember saying, I bet you he's saying this
to every person who's auditioned for this part. And I
(11:09):
think there was two other guys in there as well.
But that's how I tricked myself to be he's just smart.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Smart.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But yeah, then I auditioned, I went, oh, oh, so
you know, I think you know the story. But between
my first audition and that network test, I learned how
to play some over the rainbow in the mm hm
that was that was kind of like my new audition song.
Uh and and of course that didn't help them. My
fingers were like cold, my oh.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
God, that was another challenge to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I didn't really set myself up but but but it
was but it was right and then I went down
I remember going down the parking garage at I think
it was at Disney the Words where the uh the
test was and then uh my agent called me and
I got it like right away.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Whoa that was quick?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, thank god. It was like the waiting is that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think mine took like two hours to hear and
it was two hours it was. Yeah, mine was like
ten minutes because they had to get in touch with
the other person to tell them they didn't get it.
First I was with him. I was with him, Yeah,
with the other person, yes, because we were all flying
(12:24):
back to New York. So who it was, I'll text
you right now. Yeah. What's crazy is is he's so
so talented. I'm sure working so much more chalm like
it was. It was a full because now he's like
doing he's got his own journey exactly, exactly. Yeah, he's
(12:47):
got his own journey. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So that was that was basically it. And then uh
and then there was like a while to wait until
we actually started shooting it, and I remember it was
it was challenging for me because yeah, I wasn't South
Pacific and I had to get out of the show.
I had to ask the producers to let me out
to the show to shoot the pilt, which was a month.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It was amazing, you know, Lincoln Center, they were so incresible.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So nice, I got it. Some people have never let
you out though, Like I was also in Spring Awakening
at the time, and thankfully Jim Carnahan, who cast it,
was casting Spring on this side, so or it was
like so they were all includes about it. But that's
lucky us. Few you also were, you were twenty nine
when you got it because you turned thirty right at
(13:37):
like the last day, the last day of the pilot,
which is crazy to think you're basically right where we
are now, Like that is mind blowing. Like I don't
know I was twenty, but you because I think you
played our teacher. I automatically looked at you like you
were like you were, yes, like you were at least
(14:00):
twenty years older than me, right, not that like we
all treat each other as equals, like we're all around
the same age. But it felt like I looked up
to you in that way, like you and you are
my elder. I have to like follow you. That's crazy.
I'm five years older now than you were when you
started the show. I huh, I'm going to go. You
(14:23):
guys carry on.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well that makes you feel better. I'm fifteen years older
than that day.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So look at you. You got a family smashing it.
We had Ryan on this show and he said that
(14:48):
the role of mister Shoe was originally written with Justin Turner.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I didn't know that. No, I never knew that piece
of information.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So we all found that up together. Yeah, yeah, did
you think that was true?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Or was that like like he wanted to like to get.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The reverse engineered that Maybe no, but I would believe that.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I mean, he was hot at the time. But how
old was he? Well, yeah, I guess he and I
are kind of He's like a couple of years younger
than me.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But yeah, but and look, you guys are like, you know,
similar types. Like it would make you know, but I
think the move to like not go with Justin Timberlake
was like or else Clee would have never been what
it is.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
In Jenna, like because it was you know, the show
was because nobody knew who any of us were.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had just In there would have
been like the Justin show, you know, It's just it
would have been a totally different vibe.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then to think about like what we went through
on that show and how the trajectory of his career
would have changed, like we would we wouldn't have known
the Justin we know today been able to put out
all you.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Know You're So album. So that's interesting too, right, Lucky
for us it was, you you know, like it would
have been such a different I can't imagine the show
without anybody that was I'm sure everybody says that when
they do their projects or whatever, but like it all
just we know it worked. Like you can't go back
and be like, oh, what if this person did like
well and it worked exactly became like phenomenon that I
(16:22):
did with all of those pieces that were in it,
and if one person was not there, especially you, you
were like the anchor of that whole. Yeah, I mean
in so many ways, like it went beyond just you
being mister Shoe. It was like you were the sort
of like adult in the room. To us.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Always say that because I, you know, knowing what I
know now about television and like being number one on
the call sheet and like the leadership role that you
would want that person to have. I feel like I
let people down because I didn't I didn't know any
of that stuff back then and I didn't know what
(17:02):
it meant to be. But at the same time, like
there was so many egos in that in that you
know world that I don't feel like stepping in and
trying to lead the company in a positive way would
have been very beneficial to anyone, because you know, there
they were like fighting back against that. But but yeah,
(17:25):
I think if I was going into this now, I
think I would have done things a little differently.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, but I don't think you. I mean I didn't
feel it down by you. And also because you were
in the adult role, which was a little bit different,
like within the group, like Corey did take on that
role in a way where you were kind of seen
(17:51):
as like the adult and kind of like a father figure,
if you will. I mean, it's weird to say that
now because we know we're all like similar, very close
in age, but you know, like a father figure and age,
and you kind of had your like your own trajectory
and journey on the show, and then you know, we
(18:12):
had us on the other side of the room and
we're going through a completely similar and yet different experience,
And so I think you're right, like it maybe not
would have not been beneficial in a way that was
like is he preaching at us? Is he talking? You know,
like there was some inequality that kind of Corey had
with us that also helps in him leading by example
(18:35):
and leading in the ways that he did. But I
felt like you're still a leader when you stepped in
the room, like there was an energy that like we
looked to you on an off screen But I'm just curious,
like looking back on your experience now the show and
being the adult, like what was that like for you
(18:56):
And do you have different reflections on it now being
so from it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
On being the adult in the show or just being
on the show in general.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think being on the show in general, well, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Interesting, like like spitball. And since we're talking about this,
I felt like in the beginning and the way the
show was kind of pitched to me was that it
was it was kind of mister Schuster's journey and like
like it was like in the first few seasons, it
was it was a lot more adults, you know, and
(19:31):
then the shows the show changed to be something else.
But for me, I felt like I wanted to be
involved with with everyone, and you know, we all would
sit in video village. We all had like you know,
it was a million cast chairs all the time. But
then slowly, I just I'm kind of like I'm an
(19:56):
only child. I like my alone time. I slowly, as
you all know, started like to to distance myself from
the kids, and you know, I would always be in
mister Shoe's office and that's where you are, like in
my own kind of space. And I was also you know,
I was trying to do other stuff. I mean, like Chris,
you know, he was writing books and books while he
(20:17):
was doing there. I was going off every like two weekends,
like going off doing my solo concerts, and you know,
it was I don't know, I was just stressed. God that, like,
our bodies are not designed to go through that kind
of pressure. I mean, we had a full time job,
more than a full time job, and then our job
(20:40):
was promoting the show, and on top of that, trying
to get one foot in front of the other and
your your own reality and your own life and you know,
your relationship with yourself, with your friends, those are kind
of and then you know, going off and do these
concerts on the weekend, and then I don't know, I
(21:00):
all the energy, the positive energy that was put into
us from that show was so beautiful, and I wanted
to give that back to the people because I so
appreciated like them and fans and wanted to kind of
live in that and to be you know, filled with
gratitude for that. But I don't know, And then there
was all this other stuff too, you have, like these
(21:22):
news speeds coming out like bashing the way you're playing
your character, or you know, people trying to tear you down,
and you know, that got interesting, and I found myself
like building this armor, you know, and trying.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To to.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But not but trying to protect myself and not completely
shutting out my friends and family and everyone, and and
all of this has had a huge impact on my life. Oh,
some super high highs, but also some really devastating lows.
I mean, something I'd never really talked about but on
the show was like I really like was so stressed,
like broke into like the craziest psoriasis.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That I know, but it was it was like I
didn't know who Wow, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Think it was just everything building up and and for
me that was just like the physical manifestation of just
like what I was feeling I think inside. And it
got to the point. I remember there was a few
episodes in particular, like I remember watching it back at
the time and being like, oh my god, like they
(22:29):
had to do so much. I remember, because it was
like the siris was everywhere in my body but my
face was okay, but then it slowly started coming to
my ears and then on my eyelids, and then Kelly Mitchell,
the makeup artist. You know, she she did her best
to like cover it up, but at the end of
every day she had to take it all off and
like skin would come off the backup so painful and
(22:54):
oh gos it makes me like get emotional. It was
just it was like, so, yeah, it was really challenging. Wow,
Like it was like I loved the experience and I
appreciate it for what it was, but it was it was.
It was really challenging. It was hard to put our
bodies through, you know, sixteen hours a day and then
(23:14):
you know all the other stuff we had to do
on top of it. And not like woe is me
because it was so totally big opportunity, but but yeah,
we were all there. It was it was like it
was like a war. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think that's something like I never thought about from
your perspective, even though we are like not too far
off in age for me to you at least that
decade of lived experience and like you have worked a lot,
you've been on stage, you are able to view the
success or like what it means, the value of it,
(23:46):
the pressure of being number one on the call sheet.
I your perspective was probably so much different than ours
in a way because we were sort of like these
asshole kids who were like, this show is super successful,
we're all super famous, and like this is hard. Where
you saying like you did sort of like create those
(24:09):
you created that alone time, that actual space for yourself
to try to like get your head right to also
then capitalize on what's happening on the weekends and going
to these concerts. It's such like a thirties mindset of
let me value this experience for what it is and
also the meaningfulness of it, retain and like take on
(24:31):
that responsibility of the mantle of what this is and
what it means to me and what it means to people.
And I don't think that was something that we necessarily
I think we did to an extent to the best
of our abilities. But hearing you say that, I do
think you probably understood it in such I don't know,
(24:53):
a deeper way than we were able to at the time.
And like seeing that come out through like the psoriasis,
and we're because you're always like this, if anyone knows you,
you're always so calm, so chill, and it's like nothing's
affecting you. But at the end of the day, like
you are at the top of the sheet and like
(25:16):
this is it became this gigantic, gigantic thing. So of course,
and like to get any to get a job period
in the entertaining business is like a great thing. It's hard,
and then you like you end up on this you
get the job, You get the job, and like you
get the part on the job, and it's like you
(25:36):
originally knew like the show was supposed to be like
Will's Journey, So it's no wonder that that happened and
that like you felt that. It's just you know, it's
interesting to have to look back and like, of course
I didn't think about what your experience was, like you,
it's interesting you.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Say that stuff that have hearing you say that brings
up some other things for me, just like I A, yeah, yeah,
Like I love the first two seasons because I felt
like I had so much stuff. I felt like I
had so much, like just juicy stuff to like get
like sick my teeth into as an actor, as a singer,
(26:15):
and then and then uh, then the other seasons it
kind of became like I was the exposition of the show. Like,
this is what the show is going to be about
this episode, and this is what we're going to do. Everyone,
like in my big speech I have in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We used to laugh about those because you'd come in
it would have a huge dialogue about nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It could be like connect to it. I was awful
at memorizing it because I no connection to it. And
then all of you were just not paying attention at
all and maybe not everyone's stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I just like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was challenging. It was really challenging. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And and and I don't I don't know if you
two know this, but I I actually was trying to
get off the show really yeah. In season five, I
h I asked to be like, be off the show
(27:14):
because I was just like I'm I'm I'm no longer
being like used and like you know, yeah in the
way I wanted to and and no disrespect to the show,
but I was just like, I was just like I
I And also we are at a height. I was like,
maybe if I get off the show, I can go
do something else to a movie or and they they
agreed to let me off the show, and then Corey
(27:38):
passed and then they said they couldn't do it because
you know, the two main guys on the show.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh wow, So yeah, it was it was interesting, interesting time.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
How did that affect you?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I obviously I understood. I was like, yeah, I get it,
and you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Know, trying to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
To reconcile my own you know, wants and selfish needs
with the grief of losing an amazing friend. You know,
there's a lot of just mixed emotions and stuff. But
but I'm a professional. I showed up, I didn't get
my job, and it was a good pancrease.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So yeah, I think I think we all felt that
way at some point in our not that you know,
we were number one on the call sheet and you know,
we're told this this story is about you. You know,
this show is your journey, but like we all felt underutilized,
I think at some point in this show, because exactly
(28:46):
there's a lot of a lot of please there's a
lot of storylines, there's a lot of Yeah, there was
a lot of stuff to do, and.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I think I think I took it or so like
I was bad and that's why my storyline kind of went.
But then I look at the demographic of the what
the show ended up being. You know, it's like, you know,
they don't want to see mister shoots.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I want to see so I mean, right, right, is
that why you secretly have held a grudge against me
because I started rapping more than you did.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Didn't even I would pass that torch happily. You know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was like no, no, please, no, I can't do this,
Like why do we have to wrap? We are not rappers.
This is you were the two last rappers of the crew,
which is saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I thought it was a one off for me. I
was like, okay, great, you know me too.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They're like, oh, you guys could do it. Though. It's
like sometimes that is a thing there was sometimes you
didn't want to show things you could sort of do
because they would just have you do it all the time.
That's right, Like this is something I can do behind
the scenes to make people laugh, but this is something
I need to do in front of millions of people.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This would be a special talent on my resume that
I never wanted to use.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Absolutely, And I also maybe lied about yes exactly, don't
make me do exactly hulu hooping.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah. There was the one episode where you did you
pulled out every tool, you did thong song and you
were break like you were sliding around. I remember seeing
(30:40):
you that episode where like Emma is talking about getting
married and you're helping her and you rapped, you sang,
you did eighteen different styles of dance. You swing, swing,
danced with with Jane you did. It was like the
craziest episode. We were like where was Matt this whole
episode and you were like in the rehearsal studio because
(31:03):
you literally were in every number doing something different, like like, oh,
Matt can do everything, so we're just gonna have to
do everything in this one episode, which which.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Was I think worked out for me because I think
that was my submission episode for These in Golden Globes,
which I got nominated for, so I think that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Was worked right. It works right well. You were being
utilized and you could show all the different things that
you could do, and that was so cool and really yeah,
really awesome. Do you feel like the armor Do you
feel like the armor that you put up that you
created during Glee? I feel I feel that. Do you
(31:48):
have you had like corrective experiences in the industry. Do
you feel like you have corrected that or do you
feel like you've taken that with you and feel more guarded,
Like what is that like for you now?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I think I've just recently, in the last couple of years,
kind of come on the other side of that. And
I think it's thanks to you know, talking to professionals
and doing the work and on myself and finding because
I think the insecurity has come from a place of
(32:27):
not enoughness, not feeling like enough. I feel a lot
more self love than I've felt in a long time,
and you know, I feel and also just just experiencing,
you know, how people come up to you and you
know this is a big moment for those people, and
(32:49):
it's almost easier to just be like yeah and just
go with it, be nice and cordial for like a
couple of seconds, and then be on your way. And
then instead of being like, oh no, I don't really
feel like taking a picture, and then they feel bad
about the experience, you feel bad about the experience. So
it's just I think, just going through life and learning
(33:12):
what it's all about. But yeah, I think I think
the armor has definitely gone down. But also with the
armor going down, I'm more of a realist about the
situations that I'm putting myself into and knowing what to expect,
because you know, I've been in since situations where I
(33:35):
just didn't think things through and and it turned out
bad for me. So I think I just need need
to go into situations a little more prepared for what
I'm walking into. And I think that goes the same
thing in life. But I think I do that a
lot more.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You also got to do two really cool things. You
got to sing one of your own songs on the
show and you got to direct. How are bost of
those experiences for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Wow, Well, singing one of my own songs on the
show was really cool, like a really just great experience.
I was just so you know, tied to the music
I was creating for myself and and and it just
also testament too because you know, that's the song was
so personal to me. But the brilliance of the writers
(34:28):
and how they just incorporated any song into the show
when it's your song, You're like, oh wow, yeah like that,
you know, it was it was, it was, It was
really interesting, and directing was a phenomenal opportunity and what
a great experience. And I I think I became a
(34:52):
better actor and a better uh better teammate overall in
terms of how everything runs and how every cog in
the machine, every department has its own kind of thing,
and I had I got to connect with all these
different departments and and seeing and especially our show because
everything was so last minute. Seeing the professionalism of people
(35:16):
like when they're under the under pressure like that was
really incredible to see. I wish I had the full
experience of it, because you know, a typical director will
go in and have like at least a week to prep.
On our show, we didn't get They're not starring, you know, right, no,
But then you know a lot of people didn't didn't
(35:37):
get the scripts until like the day of shooting, so
there was no prep telling it. But the advantage I had, Yeah,
the advantage I had was I knew all the crew. Everyone,
I had my back. I felt so supportive even with
the cast, like everyone was just like, how can we
help you win? And and yeah, I learned a lot
(35:58):
about just also writing and because one of the main
are the biggest takeaways was from Ryan when we had
a meeting before and he said, uh, the biggest part
of directing is the transition from the end of a
(36:20):
scene to the beginning of the next scene and how
you tie those two together. And that has been just
like instrumental in even just acting of how I do it.
And I'm doing some writing and stuff these days, so
that like just little kidments have really carried through from
the experience. I don't know if I'd want to do
(36:41):
it again. I don't know if I was like I
want to be, if I really was going to be
invested in directing, I would want to, you know, learn
the lenses and learn the angles, and I want to
be Alfonso. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, So but.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
That's that's like a whole nother lifetime of you know,
in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Totally yes, Yeah, but you were. I mean, we just
watched that episode one. It was great, and there were
you can also see like your stamp on it, or
there were some extra like pushions and whips of like
really funny shit and shot in a way that hadn't
been done before on the show. And then do you think, Yeah,
(37:22):
And I've had that conversation with my friends who are
directors too about if I get asked if I want
to direct, and I see the exact same thing, you
just said, however, you pick all that shit up along
the way, right, and you surround yourself with people who
do know what they're doing, and if you have like
the vision for it, and all that is to say
(37:44):
that if you you know, don't stop yourself if you
want to keep doing it, because I think you were
naturally quite good at it, and.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think like anything we saw, yeah, like you see,
like we saw enough bad directors and we saw enough
great director to be for me to feel like, oh
I can I can at least be in the middle
of somewhere, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, So I felt.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Confident in that and yeah, and like I don't I
don't want to like to my own horn as a director,
Like there was a lot of hand holding in.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That experience, I mean, a perfect place to do that. Yeah, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
That's why I wanted to do it right. It felt
like my back totally. Yeah. But I feel though for
those guest directors that just go into procedural shows and Okay,
here's everyone who knows each other so well, and.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You're supposed to be the captain of the ship. Yet
you're coming into some on somebody else's ship, you're driving
somebody else's ship. Basically, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Mister Shuster, you don't know like how I was directed
to do.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
This thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, A good guest director is
it's a very It's a specific skill as a director
to come in to somebody else's house and be collaborative
yet still be a leader. Yes, walk that tightrope. I
am in charge, but I'm also respectful of what I
don't know, and like you all who are here every day,
(39:18):
like that seems like an unwinnable feat. But we we,
like you said, we worked with some great directors who
were amazing at that. It's amazing to see.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, And I don't know if we were the easiest
cast to.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Oh, I'm sure we were not. It's a really nice
way of putting it, Maddie. And there were a lot
of us, and you're adding musical numbers on top of it.
I mean, they remember our names. That's like a win
right there. It's like they called us by our name,
our first name. That's a lot of people most of
the time, remember oh gosh, oh my gosh. Ah. Yeah,
(39:59):
where the this is? After season two when you said
that you're the adult storyline seemed to dwindle in comparison
to Actually, so we got questions from fans, and Hitchcock
brought in and he said, how do you feel when
many of the adult actors on Lee were not featured
(40:21):
as much? So as his question, that's my own how
when that actually started to happen in real time? Like,
could you tell there was sort of this shift? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Absolutely, there was definitely a drop off. I mean it
was you know, I felt, like I said before, I
felt like, is it something I'm doing that I'm not.
I'm not showing up and and giving the performances that
that are worthy of me having more scenes. But I
(40:59):
knew the audience of the show, and I knew where
the ship was kind of being directed and and tailored to.
So that was really short lived. But honestly, I I
appreciated the time off. I had a lot more time myself,
So I was like not mad at it. Right, it
was I feel like Glee had its top or its
(41:23):
explosion into the into the world, and then slowly I
think it started to come down off off its you know,
away from the sun.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
And there's a direct correlation. There was less mad and
there was less success. So maybe that's maybe that's what
it was.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
No comment on that one, but no. But I honestly
and that was like when my relationship with my now
wife started to kind of intensify. And so for me,
it was it was like the perfect storm was like great.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Timing and right, yeah, it's not bad at it.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
And I was able to go off and do like
more gigs and I even I think I did a
movie in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, so it was you did. Yeah, you're expecting that's right.
It's funny because for people who don't know, like, you know,
those musical numbers they take like seven hours, you know,
on a good day, like it's a seven hour formula.
You shoot it, and all the different camera angles are
pretty you know, set in their ways. But when Matt
(42:31):
was not in the numbers and doing the mister shooting
where he's sitting in the back of the auditorium watching,
they would call you in, you know, to get ready
and to come in and you know, shoot your stuff.
And sometimes we'd be behind the ca you know, in
front of the camera onto you and sometimes we'd be like, oh,
Matt's here, he's in his trailer, he's been here for
(42:54):
seven hours, and you just be waiting. Yeah, that is brutal.
Did you just learn like, oh, I mean, like we
all kind of knew, You're like, this might be a
really long day. I don't need to be here. How
did you fill your time making albums or not? Right?
(43:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
How did I fill my time?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I don't just I just I became a good napper.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I'm not an Apple at all, but I came and
became a good napper on that show. I think I
was playing I was playing music. I had my in
there and I was I was like, that's when I
really started to kind of get into that instrument. I'm
looking back, I was like, oh gosh, I wish I
had filled my time was so much more productive. Like Chris.
(43:54):
I'm so envious of Chris, like the way he just
kind of did his back there. But I I do
have to say, I'll tell you my longest time waiting
in the trailer room. Oh god, eighteen hours.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, I gotta leave it. Wait, Can I guess the episode?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Was it Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
In Long Beach? You're student stuff in the field and
stuff all day. I waited eighteen hours and then they said, oh,
we don't need you. No, I did it didn't even
use me.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh my god, Oh my god. I think there were
a lot of times like to what Jenna was saying that,
I think he was probably waiting not seven hours, but
like twelve on the regular because we'd see you, probably
for blocking in the morning, and if we had two
musical numbers or there was like another seat, like you'd
(44:55):
only see at the beginning of it and at the
end of it, and they like, have you go away,
and then it would be a full day would happen?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, Well, I became better at asking to Lee because
I didn't live very far from the studio, so I
was like you just I'm you know, five miles away.
Just give me a head like an hour heads up,
and I'll be back.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That is nice to Eventually we built that rapport with
the eighties and things trusted that we could come back.
Some of us, yes, yes, not the ones who transfer
how to go pick up because they slept through their
alarm in the morning. Did that ever happen to either
of you? No, No, it never happened to me. It
(45:39):
was always such a huge fear of mine. Though. Okay,
so we've been rewatching the show, and like you and
Sue in those first three seasons are just it is
pure communic goal that I mean, all of it. But
I think we have to talk about you your experience
(46:02):
working with Jane, because you guys have such incredible chemistry.
The you're so far on the end of you know,
the spectrum, on each end of the scale, like it
really it just works so beautifully. But tell us about
working with Jane And how did you not laugh like
all the time? Did you just get used to it?
(46:23):
Comedic legend makes you think.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I did laugh all the time. I was laughing. I
ruined so many times because I'm not old.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Together, Okay, okay, good to know I was laughing like.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
All of the Yeah, she was a godsend, Like I mean,
just like we became like really really close on that show,
and we still we don't talk as much, but like
we still you know, communicate every now and then. And
I just I love that woman. And and for me,
(46:58):
as you guys like looked at me as the adult
and you know, the kind of that figure she was
that for me, and she was that person I was like, oh,
I need to like look up to her and see
what she's doing and and and yeah, so I I
I loved working with her, and I don't know what
(47:21):
it was, but I made it my mission because I
was always, you know, looking up takes and laughing. It
was my mission to make her do that in a scene.
And finally, I don't know which what episode was or anything,
but it finally happened and she and I broke her
and I was like, yes, I'm so proud of myself.
It was like such a moment of like a complishment.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I was just like, yes, yeah, wow, but like there's
a deep love for that woman, and uh, and I
know she feels it too, Like we we just really
respected each other.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
And yeah, we became really tight on the show, and
it was one of those things where you know, we
would hang out outside of the show, going to dinner
with her, and I wanted to ask her a lot.
I feel like I asked her more questions than I
(48:16):
did anyone else. I'm just curious about her journey, and
you know, she's very self deprecating and just like doesn't
think she's as amazing as she is, but she's. Yeah,
she's someone I really look up to and have learned
a lot in my life from her.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I remember one of our first scenes with her because
we did not get to work with her, especially in
the beginning, very often. And after that scene, I was
so it was like a terror because I didn't want
to like this comedic legend. Yeah, I didn't want to
miss it the scene and the other half was like,
oh my god, I'm on the edge of bursting out
with laughter this entire time. Yes, And my only thought
(48:56):
walking away from that was, how does Matt do this
every day? Like every day all of your scenes. It's like,
how does he do this? I am intimidated and I
want to burst on the scenes with laughter all at once. Yeah,
And there were those episodes were filled with you guys
where she would be saying the most asinine shit, like
(49:19):
would go off the rails, and you guys would be
at each other's throats like this is the best thing ever.
And I don't know how you get through any scenes.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I think it, you know, I'm just recalling now. It
did get easier for me because I knew her so
well and I knew how she would say the lines.
I knew how she.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Would deliver it because Jane Hading and some rhythm. I mean, yeah,
she's a rhythm, but you know, obviously she does go
off that rhythm. She's not like just some like but
and then that's when she did that. That's when it
would get me because I was expecting something else.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
But and this is not good for me to say
as an actor, because I was expecting her to say it.
No actor was saying. I was just there listening.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But after one hundred episodes and kind of had to do.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I think you protect the take. Yes, I start doing
that because I didn't want to keep ruining the takes.
So I did start to develop her rhythm inside of
my head to prepare myself to not laugh.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
No, that's a good that, that's a really you have
to there has to be some mechanism, yes, otherwise how
do you get anything done? You can kill someone with
just a look. That is the funniest shit I've seen today.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I get the intimidation thing, though there was for a
while I was really intimidated by her. But it works
because that's her character.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Obviously, right, which is also hilarious because she is like
the softest, nicest.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't think anyone in Hollywood has a bad thing
to say about Jane Lynn.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
No, there's no way. And that's the reason why she
has eighty jobs at once always, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
She'll say, I'm never working.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, it's okay, Shane. Sure, and she takes care of
all those animals. This sweet sweet lady, sweet sweet human.
Should we do some of these fan questions? There were
a lot of questions for you, Matt, oh boy. Okay,
we obviously are not going through the hundreds of questions.
Here's one. At what point did the hair jokes stop
(51:18):
feeling like jokes?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Pretty early on? You know, it's funny. I've had such
a journey with in my own life with my hair.
My hair used to be stick straight and blonde, like
super blonde, stick straight, And when I went through puberty,
that's when it started curling up. So I didn't know
what to do with it. And for years I was
(51:45):
just like trying to like manage these curls that just
came out of nowhere, and I hate I used to
wear depth gel jelly, yeah, like hold your hair, and
then I I got into lubraderm like the body.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my thing. Yeah, but
it never really bothered me, because you know, I love
my hair. I think it was more Ryan Than because
he didn't have hair. He was just kind of like
keep going. He would say that he was very jealous
of my hair.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, yes, yeah, you did have great hairy He was
just playing at you. He's saying, here you go, Maddie.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
I think there's a little contempt there from from Ryan.
But but I don't think it ever lost. It's it
might have lost. It's like kind of luster with the
audience because there was a.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Lot of hair jokes. I never got one of my fa.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
They say they were always fucking hilarious though, so I was.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I was like, where is Ian coming up with this?
It's like, get out your thesaurus of hair jokes. Truly. Also,
the funny thing was it was like your hair always
looked nice, Like she'd say this crazy stems, like his
hair looks normal, perfect, And yeah, I like that. She
hated it so much, but there was something wrong, Yes,
exactly she was. If you actually had bad hair and
(53:12):
then they were picking on it, it would have been
that wouldn't have been funny, though exactly exactly someone wanted
someone just wrote anything about working with Jama.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
I mean how long you got exactly? Uh, just the
the kindest, most open hearted, beautiful and respectful not only actor,
but just human being. I think I know she is
(53:44):
just she wears her heart er sleeve. She's so thoughtful,
she cares about the work, she cares about the person
she's working with, and she is just you know, Honestly,
if I if I missed one person from that show
the most, it would probably be her. Like I don't
(54:05):
keep in touch with her very often, but I yeah,
I loved working with her. Every time I saw that
we had seen together. I think I put more attention
into those scenes because I know I knew that she
would always show up, and I really wanted to make
those scenes just as dynamic and as strong as as
(54:25):
can be because she I mean, she comes off as
a little you know on the show, like a little
ditzy little but she is. She was so present and
so in character and so just like she would just
give it every time. So I felt like I had
a really solid co partner to work off of.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
So she made it look so effortless.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
People talked to her every.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Now and then, Yeah, because I'm obsessed with her, like
she's an excuse to see her. Two funny as people
I've ever met she's yeah, yeah, it's like you wouldn't
necessarily think it's exactly she says some crazy shit, but
you're right. She's really sweet and it makes for a
(55:11):
really good actor and a good scene partner because she's
so giving, she's you know, and she she brings out
the best in everybody, so you could definitely tell like
rewatching those scenes. I think the adult scenes stick out
to us more now because you know, back in the
day you're watching like, oh, what did we do and
what clowning were we doing in this number? And you
know you're watching yourself. But to rewatch it through the
(55:34):
lens of in the space and time that we've had,
you're like, oh, wow, I get it, Like it was
really it's really profound and different and exciting for us
to watch it now.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
You're making me want to go back and start watching it.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
I know. I mean those first few seasons too were
just like it's it's really really great and the work
is really really good. Everybody really was giving it, So
let us know if you do.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
I will.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Somebody asked, what do you miss the most about playing Will?
Speaker 1 (56:10):
Jeez? I know there's there's been like a lot of
backlash for that character, you know, in terms of of
his proximity to the students and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
And of course that's a different time, no.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
But I I I think at the time it did
take that personally. But yeah, so you're I'm an actor
showing up, saying my lines and being directed in a
way in a certain way. So I didn't like what
the character became, I guess. But for me, I think
the thing I loved most about Will, what I think
(56:53):
was his proximity to to the kids. Because for me, personally,
I had like great mentors in my life and people
that I just really you know, I knew them personally,
like I knew their their kids. I went to their
kids baptisms and all these these things, and they were
(57:13):
just like really just I was really involved in their
lives and them in mind. And I feel like that
was Will Shuster, you know, even just cared so much. Yeah,
out a a lens of twenty twenty four, where we are,
I'm sure I'm like I said, I don't remember show
that well, but I'm sure some of this stuff was
a little probably creepy. But yeah, I come from a
(57:41):
time where, you know, having mentors meant so much.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, really.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I was really proud of that, of being a mentor,
and I think in the beginning I really wanted to
be a mentor to all of you as well in
real life until I got scared. Oh but yeah, so
I uh yeah, I think the mentorship role was something
that I really connected to.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, I hear that. Do you your favorite guest star?
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Oh that's a really tough one.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
I think GP for me would would be my favorite.
Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, I just loved her.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You guys are great together. Yeah. It was really good.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
But I mean I have so like, Okay, Kristen would
be the top. Ye yeah, you know, yeah, I was
really lucky with guest stars. I feel like I really
got to like have some great scenes with with guest stars.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yes, and yeah, you got to do all of this
stuff with the guest stars. Well, somebody asked about dream On.
It's like, you know Neil Patrick too, Like you guys,
it's like unreal, so good.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
That was fun. I just remember him. He was like
hosting the Emmys that year.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
He was so like, what am I doing? It was
so any hosts like the Oscars the night before or something.
He did the Oscars yeh was it the Oscars. It
was Oscars Emmys and we all went to the parties
and then we showed up to work the next day.
He's like glowing and we're all like, oh, he has
like monologues and he's like, I'm not going to get.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
This sorry, sorry guys in advance.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
And then he won an Emmy. He's like, remember when
I didn't remember my life?
Speaker 1 (59:24):
That's why I'm getting emmything because he won the Emmy
for that episode.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Was so great at it. And yeah, that that number
in particular was one of the highlights. But also like
like Jama was is just like one of those giving
people and just and we have gone on to like
have just an amazing friendship. And you know now she's
married to Brad and like.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, we love them. Yes, so yeah, it's great. Now
she's family. She's family forever. Okay, so we ask everybody
at the end of the episode, Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Geez, one of these questions. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
We're a self health podcast. No, I'm kidding, we should
not be giving advice. No, what is the feeling that
Glee leaves you with.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Connections going out?
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
So I'm dead.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It is so mixed. I don't have a single answer
for that question. Like I said, it was the highest
of highs and the lowest of lows. But when I
look back at it, and I'm so proud. I'm proud
of the impact that we had in society. I'm proud
(01:01:04):
of all the things that we did for so many
communities that were underserved or underrepresented. The show opened people's
eyes to diversity, to people who weren't the status quo,
(01:01:25):
who looked different, who acted different, and and I feel
like it was the beginning of such a revolution. And
for me, that is so beautiful to have been at
the kind of nucleus of that whole, you know thing.
(01:01:46):
So I can't look back and be you know, I
can complain about being overworked and you know, blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah. But just like the impact,
that's the thing that will will stand the test of time.
And for me, I think that is that's a beautiful thing.
Because most shows, most TV shows do not have an impact.
(01:02:10):
They're they're binge worthy, they're fun, they're you know, you
might learn something, But there's there are a few and
far between shows that have like a cultural impact and
a societal people. So yeah, I love, I love being
a part of that legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Beautiful, well said. Thank you for taking the time to
chat with us. This is it was just a podcast. No, no, no,
don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. If you
see anything on line, it's a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Oh I can't wait wait to see what sound bites kids.
Thank you for having me and whatever. Glad we just
to catch up.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I'm so good to see you. Thank you for
spending so much time with us. It's very sweet of you. Pleasure,
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Love.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, let me too.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Wow. Matt Mattie mo Mattie Morrison, mister shoot himself. You know,
what a joy, what a joy. He's a kind he's
a kind, soul calm. So yeah, it was very enlightening
to hear his his experience and for him to be
so honest about it, you know, because I think we
kind of, like he said, we separated around season four,
(01:03:32):
five six, like we didn't really see that much of
Matt and so you know, it was like we didn't
we didn't get the insights like we used to. We
didn't you know, we didn't get him as much and
I think we were so bogged down in our day
to day that we weren't. It wasn't like we had
time to even like hang out with him outside of work. Yeah,
(01:03:55):
you'rest we were hanging out with whoever we were with
shooting well, I'm so grateful for Maddie to come and
share his experience. And I hope you guys can show
the episode and remember when you're talking about Shoe that
Matt is not Shoe. You don't hate Maddie. People don't,
though we can, but just just to be safe, you know,
(01:04:17):
people are very good about separating the two. I just
want to state it. Thank you, Matt Morrison, our mister
Shoe forever for joining us and that's what you really missed.
Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and
that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write
us a review and leave us five stars. See you
(01:04:38):
next time
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to You, and that's
what you really miss podcast. Mister Shoe. We got him.
He's here. We finally got him. He's here, he's here,
locked and loaded. We have a long talk and it's great.
It was just so nice to catch up. You know.
(00:26):
That's the best part of this, isn't it, of course
a reunion. It is genuinely like I got you, now
get You've got you in my grasp just a FaceTime
and then we're recording it exactly a really great interview. Really,
I'm honest and wonderful. So we'll let you just listen
to it now and you don't have to listen to
our voices anymore. Well, kind of hi, friends, it's good
(00:50):
to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know, you look wealthy. I'm looking at you. You
look rested, and I feel like and you look rested.
You look that's like wealth You look good.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah good, I like that, you know. I feel I
don't feel yeah, I do feel wealthy. I feel rested.
I don't know about rested, but like my heart is happy.
I my family's great. Yeah, I feel really, really good.
So thank you for noticing.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, it's so nice to see you. Thank you for
hanging with us clowns.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Thanks for inviting me. I didn't even invited me. I
was gonna say, like, it's about timey inviting, but you
have invited me before and I.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Just have a few times. No, that's okay. It's hard
to get a hold of you, but you always respond,
which is so nice. And before we get into the
glee of it all, you're doing Chicago in Japan and
did the whole announcement in Japanese, which was mind blowing.
It was really impressive. I saw it. I was like, oh,
(01:52):
of course he did. Like I was shocked, and also
it was zero person shocked. At the same time, I
was like, if anybody can figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Uh, you know, I thought to make a bigger impact
in terms of ticket sales, especially when like you're in
a culture that they do speak English a lot there,
but there's you know, a predominant probably most of them
don't speak English. So yeah, I wanted to speak to
the people. So I called my friend Charlie Okumura who
(02:21):
lives in Tokyo, and him and his wife kind of
put I said what I wanted to say, and they
kind of like put it together for me. I sent
it back to them and they're like, no, this is
what you can. They basically gave me work for a word,
like how to pronounce it and stuff, and so it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was very convincing. I feel I thought you were going
to say like, oh, yeah, I've been learning, I've been
learning the language, and like I've been working on it,
because it was very good. I mean from what I
the little we know, but well, yeah, I mean but awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, you know, I love language,
you know, doing that light in the Piazza show on Broadway,
like how to speak how to speak Italian. I just
love immerse myself in language is such a beautiful challenge.
But then you get to challenge yourself in trouble when
you actually have a good accent and you start can
speak a few words. Then people just start like talking
(03:12):
to you like yes, sorry, sorry, Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Have you spent a lot of time in Japan before?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, I have. Actually I do a lot of concerts
in Japan. Yeah, it's been. It's it's a lovely market
for me, I think for all of us. I think,
you know, Glee was well, very well received over there,
so you know, that opened up a lot of places
to go and to perform. So I'm gonna be doing
that show. And for me, that show is kind of
(03:45):
to see where I'm at in terms of live performances again,
because it's been a while and since twenty fifteen. Yeah,
and so for me, it's just to kind of say, like, Okay,
you know, I wanted to give myself a big break
to you know, be there for this, you know, pivotal
time in my children's lives. But for right now, I
feel this call to go back to the stage, and
(04:07):
I just don't want to jump right into a Broadway
show and be like, oh, this is a lot. So
I thought it would be a good, like kind of
stepping stone to yeah, see how I feel about it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I have a feeling we know what that's going to
be for you, but I do. I do love it.
But it's smart. It's a smart move. But that's awesome.
It's very exciting. Okay, mister Shoe, it's been a while
and everybody's been asking for you, and so we just
I think we have to talk about Glee.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay. I just want to preface this my memory is horrible,
and you might spark some memories. I'll be like, oh
yeah and stuff, but yeah, yeah, I am. I'm really
interested to where this conversation is going to go.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So you know, yes, I think it's important for everyone listening,
mostly for us because our memories are also not good.
So it makes me feel seen.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You talk about this all the time, you know, and yeah,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We're reminded, but it's it's so don't feel bad if
you don't remember things because we do not I won't. Yeah, Okay,
we're watching things like that. We're into season three now
and there have been full scenes for the first time
where like I am speaking or singing and I have
no recollection of being there zero and it is.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I saw when that started kicking in for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, like every day is the same. We don't know
what's going on anymore, and you're just like shooting once
like yeah, yes, yes, have you watched any Glee since
you since we finished?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh I haven't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm still triggered by don't Believing though for sure
forever since the end of time? Uh No, but I haven't.
I'm actually waiting my son, Reveel, who's six years old
now having the experience of seeing me being recognized in him,
(06:02):
kind of knowing me as a famous person. It's so weird.
It's so I mean, I hate it. I hate it
because it's like, you know, I want you to love
me for me as as your papa. You know, I
don't want you to be influenced by any these and
that's kind of like why I wanted to get out
of Los Angeles as well. So it's it's it's weird
kind of navigating that as a parent. But it's still,
(06:24):
you know, as you all know, it's probably it's still
very much a part of people's stores and upbringings and
the zeitgeist and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Are you recognized a lot more? Because I feel like
when I leave LA, I'm recognized way more than I
am with in LA. People actually come up to me.
Here everyone's you know, sort of jaded or used to
seeing people who are on TV, So like, does it
happen I feel like it must happen to you a
lot more there.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Where I live, it it actually doesn't. Everyone's very respectful.
I can see like the acknowledgment of it, but rarely
do the people come up and say anything to me.
It's usually the most I get it is overseas. H.
I don't know what that is, but yeah, it's it's
mostly overseas, but here like small town. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That's nice. Now, I can't remember we watched the pilot
together back in the day. You we came over Lee
and I and we all watched it together in between
waiting to be picked up and shooting the pilot. Can
you remember, though, you guys are watched shooters. Yeah, but
(07:40):
I can't remember. Did you have what was your audition
process like or did you just get offered?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No? I definitely didn't get offered the role. So my
audition process was just a regular audition. I was doing
so specific on Broadway at the time, and I just
got an audition. I went in the room to put
myself on tape, and so they would send all the
(08:09):
tapes to LA and I sang on the straight relive
of course, my go to song, and then I did
the scenes and from there, I you know, Ryan and
Brad and Ian and some other producers. They came to
New York to have like the New York audition. I
(08:30):
think I was doing a play called Naked Girl in
the Appian way and it was this. The woman playing
my mother in the show was this brilliant actress named
Joe Clayburg and she was nominated for oscars and stuff
back in the day, but she took a long hiatus
to raise her kids. I don't know if you know
Lily Rabe is one of her daughter. She's a she's phenomenal.
(08:54):
She's she's passed now, but she's She was someone who
was like really like the figure of my life. But
she had worked closely. I forget what she and Ran did,
but I can't even she said the story, but she said,
when you go into the audition, just flirt with Ryan.
I was like, what me, And She's like, you know,
(09:18):
just just just flirt, just just be you, just be flirty.
And so that was my like going in. I just
felt like I'm just gonna, like, you know, just like
give him compliments, you know, and stuff and it and
it totally worked. He was like he was just like
loving what I was doing. Uh yeah, he was like
I remember one thing, he complimented my shoes. He was
(09:41):
really my shoes, like we're like these motorcycle boots or something.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And we know.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Of course, when I said, oh, those are.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's a big compliment.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah. I don't think he's ever called me on anything
else in my life, but but the boots were a
big part of it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, So yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And then from that AUDI, I had a really good
feeling about about it, and they flew me. I think
I was the only one that flew in from New
York for this for the network test. And I remember
before I went into the room, you know, I kind
(10:20):
of my agent was kind of saying that I was
the guy, but you never want to know that at
the time. It's some pressure on you. But Ryan came
and had a conversation with me before I tested, and
he said, this is yours to lose. He's like, he's like,
we all want you, but this is yours to lose.
And I don't know if that was exactly the exact phrasing,
(10:42):
but that I was the guy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just don't get up because we want you to yea.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And I I believe I was shaking, but I I,
you know, I have a lot of obviously live performance experience,
so I went in there. I felt pretty good about it,
and uh, but it been in my head. I kind
of I remember saying, I bet you he's saying this
to every person who's auditioned for this part. And I
(11:09):
think there was two other guys in there as well.
But that's how I tricked myself to be he's just smart.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Smart.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But yeah, then I auditioned, I went, oh, oh, so
you know, I think you know the story. But between
my first audition and that network test, I learned how
to play some over the rainbow in the mm hm
that was that was kind of like my new audition song.
Uh and and of course that didn't help them. My
fingers were like cold, my oh.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
God, that was another challenge to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I didn't really set myself up but but but it
was but it was right and then I went down
I remember going down the parking garage at I think
it was at Disney the Words where the uh the
test was and then uh my agent called me and
I got it like right away.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Whoa that was quick?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, thank god. It was like the waiting is that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think mine took like two hours to hear and
it was two hours it was. Yeah, mine was like
ten minutes because they had to get in touch with
the other person to tell them they didn't get it.
First I was with him. I was with him, Yeah,
with the other person, yes, because we were all flying
(12:24):
back to New York. So who it was, I'll text
you right now. Yeah. What's crazy is is he's so
so talented. I'm sure working so much more chalm like
it was. It was a full because now he's like
doing he's got his own journey exactly, exactly. Yeah, he's
(12:47):
got his own journey. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So that was that was basically it. And then uh
and then there was like a while to wait until
we actually started shooting it, and I remember it was
it was challenging for me because yeah, I wasn't South
Pacific and I had to get out of the show.
I had to ask the producers to let me out
to the show to shoot the pilt, which was a month.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It was amazing, you know, Lincoln Center, they were so incresible.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So nice, I got it. Some people have never let
you out though, Like I was also in Spring Awakening
at the time, and thankfully Jim Carnahan, who cast it,
was casting Spring on this side, so or it was
like so they were all includes about it. But that's
lucky us. Few you also were, you were twenty nine
when you got it because you turned thirty right at
(13:37):
like the last day, the last day of the pilot,
which is crazy to think you're basically right where we
are now, Like that is mind blowing. Like I don't
know I was twenty, but you because I think you
played our teacher. I automatically looked at you like you
were like you were, yes, like you were at least
(14:00):
twenty years older than me, right, not that like we
all treat each other as equals, like we're all around
the same age. But it felt like I looked up
to you in that way, like you and you are
my elder. I have to like follow you. That's crazy.
I'm five years older now than you were when you
started the show. I huh, I'm going to go. You
(14:23):
guys carry on.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well that makes you feel better. I'm fifteen years older
than that day.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So look at you. You got a family smashing it.
We had Ryan on this show and he said that
(14:48):
the role of mister Shoe was originally written with Justin Turner.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I didn't know that. No, I never knew that piece
of information.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So we all found that up together. Yeah, yeah, did
you think that was true?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Or was that like like he wanted to like to get.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
The reverse engineered that Maybe no, but I would believe that.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I mean, he was hot at the time. But how
old was he? Well, yeah, I guess he and I
are kind of He's like a couple of years younger
than me.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But yeah, but and look, you guys are like, you know,
similar types. Like it would make you know, but I
think the move to like not go with Justin Timberlake
was like or else Clee would have never been what
it is.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
In Jenna, like because it was you know, the show
was because nobody knew who any of us were.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had just In there would have
been like the Justin show, you know, It's just it
would have been a totally different vibe.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then to think about like what we went through
on that show and how the trajectory of his career
would have changed, like we would we wouldn't have known
the Justin we know today been able to put out
all you.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Know You're So album. So that's interesting too, right, Lucky
for us it was, you you know, like it would
have been such a different I can't imagine the show
without anybody that was I'm sure everybody says that when
they do their projects or whatever, but like it all
just we know it worked. Like you can't go back
and be like, oh, what if this person did like
well and it worked exactly became like phenomenon that I
(16:22):
did with all of those pieces that were in it,
and if one person was not there, especially you, you
were like the anchor of that whole. Yeah, I mean
in so many ways, like it went beyond just you
being mister Shoe. It was like you were the sort
of like adult in the room. To us.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Always say that because I, you know, knowing what I
know now about television and like being number one on
the call sheet and like the leadership role that you
would want that person to have. I feel like I
let people down because I didn't I didn't know any
of that stuff back then and I didn't know what
(17:02):
it meant to be. But at the same time, like
there was so many egos in that in that you
know world that I don't feel like stepping in and
trying to lead the company in a positive way would
have been very beneficial to anyone, because you know, there
they were like fighting back against that. But but yeah,
(17:25):
I think if I was going into this now, I
think I would have done things a little differently.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, but I don't think you. I mean I didn't
feel it down by you. And also because you were
in the adult role, which was a little bit different,
like within the group, like Corey did take on that
role in a way where you were kind of seen
(17:51):
as like the adult and kind of like a father figure,
if you will. I mean, it's weird to say that
now because we know we're all like similar, very close
in age, but you know, like a father figure and age,
and you kind of had your like your own trajectory
and journey on the show, and then you know, we
(18:12):
had us on the other side of the room and
we're going through a completely similar and yet different experience,
And so I think you're right, like it maybe not
would have not been beneficial in a way that was
like is he preaching at us? Is he talking? You know,
like there was some inequality that kind of Corey had
with us that also helps in him leading by example
(18:35):
and leading in the ways that he did. But I
felt like you're still a leader when you stepped in
the room, like there was an energy that like we
looked to you on an off screen But I'm just curious,
like looking back on your experience now the show and
being the adult, like what was that like for you
(18:56):
And do you have different reflections on it now being
so from it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
On being the adult in the show or just being
on the show in general.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think being on the show in general, well, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Interesting, like like spitball. And since we're talking about this,
I felt like in the beginning and the way the
show was kind of pitched to me was that it
was it was kind of mister Schuster's journey and like
like it was like in the first few seasons, it
was it was a lot more adults, you know, and
(19:31):
then the shows the show changed to be something else.
But for me, I felt like I wanted to be
involved with with everyone, and you know, we all would
sit in video village. We all had like you know,
it was a million cast chairs all the time. But
then slowly, I just I'm kind of like I'm an
(19:56):
only child. I like my alone time. I slowly, as
you all know, started like to to distance myself from
the kids, and you know, I would always be in
mister Shoe's office and that's where you are, like in
my own kind of space. And I was also you know,
I was trying to do other stuff. I mean, like Chris,
you know, he was writing books and books while he
(20:17):
was doing there. I was going off every like two weekends,
like going off doing my solo concerts, and you know,
it was I don't know, I was just stressed. God that, like,
our bodies are not designed to go through that kind
of pressure. I mean, we had a full time job,
more than a full time job, and then our job
(20:40):
was promoting the show, and on top of that, trying
to get one foot in front of the other and
your your own reality and your own life and you know,
your relationship with yourself, with your friends, those are kind
of and then you know, going off and do these
concerts on the weekend, and then I don't know, I
(21:00):
all the energy, the positive energy that was put into
us from that show was so beautiful, and I wanted
to give that back to the people because I so
appreciated like them and fans and wanted to kind of
live in that and to be you know, filled with
gratitude for that. But I don't know, And then there
was all this other stuff too, you have, like these
(21:22):
news speeds coming out like bashing the way you're playing
your character, or you know, people trying to tear you down,
and you know, that got interesting, and I found myself
like building this armor, you know, and trying.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To to.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But not but trying to protect myself and not completely
shutting out my friends and family and everyone, and and
all of this has had a huge impact on my life. Oh,
some super high highs, but also some really devastating lows.
I mean, something I'd never really talked about but on
the show was like I really like was so stressed,
like broke into like the craziest psoriasis.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That I know, but it was it was like I
didn't know who Wow, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Think it was just everything building up and and for
me that was just like the physical manifestation of just
like what I was feeling I think inside. And it
got to the point. I remember there was a few
episodes in particular, like I remember watching it back at
the time and being like, oh my god, like they
(22:29):
had to do so much. I remember, because it was
like the siris was everywhere in my body but my
face was okay, but then it slowly started coming to
my ears and then on my eyelids, and then Kelly Mitchell,
the makeup artist. You know, she she did her best
to like cover it up, but at the end of
every day she had to take it all off and
like skin would come off the backup so painful and
(22:54):
oh gos it makes me like get emotional. It was
just it was like, so, yeah, it was really challenging. Wow,
Like it was like I loved the experience and I
appreciate it for what it was, but it was it was.
It was really challenging. It was hard to put our
bodies through, you know, sixteen hours a day and then
(23:14):
you know all the other stuff we had to do
on top of it. And not like woe is me
because it was so totally big opportunity, but but yeah,
we were all there. It was it was like it
was like a war. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think that's something like I never thought about from
your perspective, even though we are like not too far
off in age for me to you at least that
decade of lived experience and like you have worked a lot,
you've been on stage, you are able to view the
success or like what it means, the value of it,
(23:46):
the pressure of being number one on the call sheet.
I your perspective was probably so much different than ours
in a way because we were sort of like these
asshole kids who were like, this show is super successful,
we're all super famous, and like this is hard. Where
you saying like you did sort of like create those
(24:09):
you created that alone time, that actual space for yourself
to try to like get your head right to also
then capitalize on what's happening on the weekends and going
to these concerts. It's such like a thirties mindset of
let me value this experience for what it is and
also the meaningfulness of it, retain and like take on
(24:31):
that responsibility of the mantle of what this is and
what it means to me and what it means to people.
And I don't think that was something that we necessarily
I think we did to an extent to the best
of our abilities. But hearing you say that, I do
think you probably understood it in such I don't know,
(24:53):
a deeper way than we were able to at the time.
And like seeing that come out through like the psoriasis,
and we're because you're always like this, if anyone knows you,
you're always so calm, so chill, and it's like nothing's
affecting you. But at the end of the day, like
you are at the top of the sheet and like
(25:16):
this is it became this gigantic, gigantic thing. So of course,
and like to get any to get a job period
in the entertaining business is like a great thing. It's hard,
and then you like you end up on this you
get the job, You get the job, and like you
get the part on the job, and it's like you
(25:36):
originally knew like the show was supposed to be like
Will's Journey, So it's no wonder that that happened and
that like you felt that. It's just you know, it's
interesting to have to look back and like, of course
I didn't think about what your experience was, like you,
it's interesting you.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Say that stuff that have hearing you say that brings
up some other things for me, just like I A, yeah, yeah,
Like I love the first two seasons because I felt
like I had so much stuff. I felt like I
had so much, like just juicy stuff to like get
like sick my teeth into as an actor, as a singer,
(26:15):
and then and then uh, then the other seasons it
kind of became like I was the exposition of the show. Like,
this is what the show is going to be about
this episode, and this is what we're going to do. Everyone,
like in my big speech I have in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We used to laugh about those because you'd come in
it would have a huge dialogue about nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It could be like connect to it. I was awful
at memorizing it because I no connection to it. And
then all of you were just not paying attention at
all and maybe not everyone's stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I just like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was challenging. It was really challenging. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And and and I don't I don't know if you
two know this, but I I actually was trying to
get off the show really yeah. In season five, I
h I asked to be like, be off the show
(27:14):
because I was just like I'm I'm I'm no longer
being like used and like you know, yeah in the
way I wanted to and and no disrespect to the show,
but I was just like, I was just like I
I And also we are at a height. I was like,
maybe if I get off the show, I can go
do something else to a movie or and they they
agreed to let me off the show, and then Corey
(27:38):
passed and then they said they couldn't do it because
you know, the two main guys on the show.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh wow, So yeah, it was it was interesting, interesting time.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
How did that affect you?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I obviously I understood. I was like, yeah, I get it,
and you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Know, trying to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
To reconcile my own you know, wants and selfish needs
with the grief of losing an amazing friend. You know,
there's a lot of just mixed emotions and stuff. But
but I'm a professional. I showed up, I didn't get
my job, and it was a good pancrease.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So yeah, I think I think we all felt that
way at some point in our not that you know,
we were number one on the call sheet and you know,
we're told this this story is about you. You know,
this show is your journey, but like we all felt underutilized,
I think at some point in this show, because exactly
(28:46):
there's a lot of a lot of please there's a
lot of storylines, there's a lot of Yeah, there was
a lot of stuff to do, and.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I think I think I took it or so like
I was bad and that's why my storyline kind of went.
But then I look at the demographic of the what
the show ended up being. You know, it's like, you know,
they don't want to see mister shoots.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I want to see so I mean, right, right, is
that why you secretly have held a grudge against me
because I started rapping more than you did.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Didn't even I would pass that torch happily. You know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was like no, no, please, no, I can't do this,
Like why do we have to wrap? We are not rappers.
This is you were the two last rappers of the crew,
which is saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I thought it was a one off for me. I
was like, okay, great, you know me too.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They're like, oh, you guys could do it. Though. It's
like sometimes that is a thing there was sometimes you
didn't want to show things you could sort of do
because they would just have you do it all the time.
That's right, Like this is something I can do behind
the scenes to make people laugh, but this is something
I need to do in front of millions of people.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
This would be a special talent on my resume that
I never wanted to use.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Absolutely, And I also maybe lied about yes exactly, don't
make me do exactly hulu hooping.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah. There was the one episode where you did you
pulled out every tool, you did thong song and you
were break like you were sliding around. I remember seeing
(30:40):
you that episode where like Emma is talking about getting
married and you're helping her and you rapped, you sang,
you did eighteen different styles of dance. You swing, swing,
danced with with Jane you did. It was like the
craziest episode. We were like where was Matt this whole
episode and you were like in the rehearsal studio because
(31:03):
you literally were in every number doing something different, like like, oh,
Matt can do everything, so we're just gonna have to
do everything in this one episode, which which.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Was I think worked out for me because I think
that was my submission episode for These in Golden Globes,
which I got nominated for, so I think that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Was worked right. It works right well. You were being
utilized and you could show all the different things that
you could do, and that was so cool and really yeah,
really awesome. Do you feel like the armor Do you
feel like the armor that you put up that you
created during Glee? I feel I feel that. Do you
(31:48):
have you had like corrective experiences in the industry. Do
you feel like you have corrected that or do you
feel like you've taken that with you and feel more guarded,
Like what is that like for you now?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I think I've just recently, in the last couple of years,
kind of come on the other side of that. And
I think it's thanks to you know, talking to professionals
and doing the work and on myself and finding because
I think the insecurity has come from a place of
(32:27):
not enoughness, not feeling like enough. I feel a lot
more self love than I've felt in a long time,
and you know, I feel and also just just experiencing,
you know, how people come up to you and you
know this is a big moment for those people, and
(32:49):
it's almost easier to just be like yeah and just
go with it, be nice and cordial for like a
couple of seconds, and then be on your way. And
then instead of being like, oh no, I don't really
feel like taking a picture, and then they feel bad
about the experience, you feel bad about the experience. So
it's just I think, just going through life and learning
(33:12):
what it's all about. But yeah, I think I think
the armor has definitely gone down. But also with the
armor going down, I'm more of a realist about the
situations that I'm putting myself into and knowing what to expect,
because you know, I've been in since situations where I
(33:35):
just didn't think things through and and it turned out
bad for me. So I think I just need need
to go into situations a little more prepared for what
I'm walking into. And I think that goes the same
thing in life. But I think I do that a
lot more.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You also got to do two really cool things. You
got to sing one of your own songs on the
show and you got to direct. How are bost of
those experiences for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Wow, Well, singing one of my own songs on the
show was really cool, like a really just great experience.
I was just so you know, tied to the music
I was creating for myself and and and it just
also testament too because you know, that's the song was
so personal to me. But the brilliance of the writers
(34:28):
and how they just incorporated any song into the show
when it's your song, You're like, oh wow, yeah like that,
you know, it was it was, it was, It was
really interesting, and directing was a phenomenal opportunity and what
a great experience. And I I think I became a
(34:52):
better actor and a better uh better teammate overall in
terms of how everything runs and how every cog in
the machine, every department has its own kind of thing,
and I had I got to connect with all these
different departments and and seeing and especially our show because
everything was so last minute. Seeing the professionalism of people
(35:16):
like when they're under the under pressure like that was
really incredible to see. I wish I had the full
experience of it, because you know, a typical director will
go in and have like at least a week to prep.
On our show, we didn't get They're not starring, you know, right, no,
But then you know a lot of people didn't didn't
(35:37):
get the scripts until like the day of shooting, so
there was no prep telling it. But the advantage I had, Yeah,
the advantage I had was I knew all the crew. Everyone,
I had my back. I felt so supportive even with
the cast, like everyone was just like, how can we
help you win? And and yeah, I learned a lot
(35:58):
about just also writing and because one of the main
are the biggest takeaways was from Ryan when we had
a meeting before and he said, uh, the biggest part
of directing is the transition from the end of a
(36:20):
scene to the beginning of the next scene and how
you tie those two together. And that has been just
like instrumental in even just acting of how I do it.
And I'm doing some writing and stuff these days, so
that like just little kidments have really carried through from
the experience. I don't know if I'd want to do
(36:41):
it again. I don't know if I was like I
want to be, if I really was going to be
invested in directing, I would want to, you know, learn
the lenses and learn the angles, and I want to
be Alfonso. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, So but.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
That's that's like a whole nother lifetime of you know,
in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Totally yes, Yeah, but you were. I mean, we just
watched that episode one. It was great, and there were
you can also see like your stamp on it, or
there were some extra like pushions and whips of like
really funny shit and shot in a way that hadn't
been done before on the show. And then do you think, Yeah,
(37:22):
And I've had that conversation with my friends who are
directors too about if I get asked if I want
to direct, and I see the exact same thing, you
just said, however, you pick all that shit up along
the way, right, and you surround yourself with people who
do know what they're doing, and if you have like
the vision for it, and all that is to say
(37:44):
that if you you know, don't stop yourself if you
want to keep doing it, because I think you were
naturally quite good at it, and.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think like anything we saw, yeah, like you see,
like we saw enough bad directors and we saw enough
great director to be for me to feel like, oh
I can I can at least be in the middle
of somewhere, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, So I felt.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Confident in that and yeah, and like I don't I
don't want to like to my own horn as a director,
Like there was a lot of hand holding in.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
That experience, I mean, a perfect place to do that. Yeah, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
That's why I wanted to do it right. It felt
like my back totally. Yeah. But I feel though for
those guest directors that just go into procedural shows and Okay,
here's everyone who knows each other so well, and.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You're supposed to be the captain of the ship. Yet
you're coming into some on somebody else's ship, you're driving
somebody else's ship. Basically, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Mister Shuster, you don't know like how I was directed
to do.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
This thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, A good guest director is
it's a very It's a specific skill as a director
to come in to somebody else's house and be collaborative
yet still be a leader. Yes, walk that tightrope. I
am in charge, but I'm also respectful of what I
don't know, and like you all who are here every day,
(39:18):
like that seems like an unwinnable feat. But we we,
like you said, we worked with some great directors who
were amazing at that. It's amazing to see.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, And I don't know if we were the easiest
cast to.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Oh, I'm sure we were not. It's a really nice
way of putting it, Maddie. And there were a lot
of us, and you're adding musical numbers on top of it.
I mean, they remember our names. That's like a win
right there. It's like they called us by our name,
our first name. That's a lot of people most of
the time, remember oh gosh, oh my gosh. Ah. Yeah,
(39:59):
where the this is? After season two when you said
that you're the adult storyline seemed to dwindle in comparison
to Actually, so we got questions from fans, and Hitchcock
brought in and he said, how do you feel when
many of the adult actors on Lee were not featured
(40:21):
as much? So as his question, that's my own how
when that actually started to happen in real time? Like,
could you tell there was sort of this shift? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Absolutely, there was definitely a drop off. I mean it
was you know, I felt, like I said before, I
felt like, is it something I'm doing that I'm not.
I'm not showing up and and giving the performances that
that are worthy of me having more scenes. But I
(40:59):
knew the audience of the show, and I knew where
the ship was kind of being directed and and tailored to.
So that was really short lived. But honestly, I I
appreciated the time off. I had a lot more time myself,
So I was like not mad at it. Right, it
was I feel like Glee had its top or its
(41:23):
explosion into the into the world, and then slowly I
think it started to come down off off its you know,
away from the sun.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
And there's a direct correlation. There was less mad and
there was less success. So maybe that's maybe that's what
it was.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
No comment on that one, but no. But I honestly
and that was like when my relationship with my now
wife started to kind of intensify. And so for me,
it was it was like the perfect storm was like great.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Timing and right, yeah, it's not bad at it.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
And I was able to go off and do like
more gigs and I even I think I did a
movie in there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, so it was you did. Yeah, you're expecting that's right.
It's funny because for people who don't know, like, you know,
those musical numbers they take like seven hours, you know,
on a good day, like it's a seven hour formula.
You shoot it, and all the different camera angles are
pretty you know, set in their ways. But when Matt
(42:31):
was not in the numbers and doing the mister shooting
where he's sitting in the back of the auditorium watching,
they would call you in, you know, to get ready
and to come in and you know, shoot your stuff.
And sometimes we'd be behind the ca you know, in
front of the camera onto you and sometimes we'd be like, oh,
Matt's here, he's in his trailer, he's been here for
(42:54):
seven hours, and you just be waiting. Yeah, that is brutal.
Did you just learn like, oh, I mean, like we
all kind of knew, You're like, this might be a
really long day. I don't need to be here. How
did you fill your time making albums or not? Right?
(43:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
How did I fill my time?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I don't just I just I became a good napper.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I'm not an Apple at all, but I came and
became a good napper on that show. I think I
was playing I was playing music. I had my in
there and I was I was like, that's when I
really started to kind of get into that instrument. I'm
looking back, I was like, oh gosh, I wish I
had filled my time was so much more productive. Like Chris.
(43:54):
I'm so envious of Chris, like the way he just
kind of did his back there. But I I do
have to say, I'll tell you my longest time waiting
in the trailer room. Oh god, eighteen hours.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, I gotta leave it. Wait, Can I guess the episode?
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Was it Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
In Long Beach? You're student stuff in the field and
stuff all day. I waited eighteen hours and then they said, oh,
we don't need you. No, I did it didn't even
use me.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Oh my god, Oh my god. I think there were
a lot of times like to what Jenna was saying that,
I think he was probably waiting not seven hours, but
like twelve on the regular because we'd see you, probably
for blocking in the morning, and if we had two
musical numbers or there was like another seat, like you'd
(44:55):
only see at the beginning of it and at the
end of it, and they like, have you go away,
and then it would be a full day would happen?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, Well, I became better at asking to Lee because
I didn't live very far from the studio, so I
was like you just I'm you know, five miles away.
Just give me a head like an hour heads up,
and I'll be back.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That is nice to Eventually we built that rapport with
the eighties and things trusted that we could come back.
Some of us, yes, yes, not the ones who transfer
how to go pick up because they slept through their
alarm in the morning. Did that ever happen to either
of you? No, No, it never happened to me. It
(45:39):
was always such a huge fear of mine. Though. Okay,
so we've been rewatching the show, and like you and
Sue in those first three seasons are just it is
pure communic goal that I mean, all of it. But
I think we have to talk about you your experience
(46:02):
working with Jane, because you guys have such incredible chemistry.
The you're so far on the end of you know,
the spectrum, on each end of the scale, like it
really it just works so beautifully. But tell us about
working with Jane And how did you not laugh like
all the time? Did you just get used to it?
(46:23):
Comedic legend makes you think.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I did laugh all the time. I was laughing. I
ruined so many times because I'm not old.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Together, Okay, okay, good to know I was laughing like.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
All of the Yeah, she was a godsend, Like I mean,
just like we became like really really close on that show,
and we still we don't talk as much, but like
we still you know, communicate every now and then. And
I just I love that woman. And and for me,
(46:58):
as you guys like looked at me as the adult
and you know, the kind of that figure she was
that for me, and she was that person I was like, oh,
I need to like look up to her and see
what she's doing and and and yeah, so I I
I loved working with her, and I don't know what
(47:21):
it was, but I made it my mission because I
was always, you know, looking up takes and laughing. It
was my mission to make her do that in a scene.
And finally, I don't know which what episode was or anything,
but it finally happened and she and I broke her
and I was like, yes, I'm so proud of myself.
It was like such a moment of like a complishment.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I was just like, yes, yeah, wow, but like there's
a deep love for that woman, and uh, and I
know she feels it too, Like we we just really
respected each other.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
And yeah, we became really tight on the show, and
it was one of those things where you know, we
would hang out outside of the show, going to dinner
with her, and I wanted to ask her a lot.
I feel like I asked her more questions than I
(48:16):
did anyone else. I'm just curious about her journey, and
you know, she's very self deprecating and just like doesn't
think she's as amazing as she is, but she's. Yeah,
she's someone I really look up to and have learned
a lot in my life from her.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I remember one of our first scenes with her because
we did not get to work with her, especially in
the beginning, very often. And after that scene, I was
so it was like a terror because I didn't want
to like this comedic legend. Yeah, I didn't want to
miss it the scene and the other half was like,
oh my god, I'm on the edge of bursting out
with laughter this entire time. Yes, And my only thought
(48:56):
walking away from that was, how does Matt do this
every day? Like every day all of your scenes. It's like,
how does he do this? I am intimidated and I
want to burst on the scenes with laughter all at once. Yeah,
And there were those episodes were filled with you guys
where she would be saying the most asinine shit, like
(49:19):
would go off the rails, and you guys would be
at each other's throats like this is the best thing ever.
And I don't know how you get through any scenes.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I think it, you know, I'm just recalling now. It
did get easier for me because I knew her so
well and I knew how she would say the lines.
I knew how she.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Would deliver it because Jane Hading and some rhythm. I mean, yeah,
she's a rhythm, but you know, obviously she does go
off that rhythm. She's not like just some like but
and then that's when she did that. That's when it
would get me because I was expecting something else.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
But and this is not good for me to say
as an actor, because I was expecting her to say it.
No actor was saying. I was just there listening.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But after one hundred episodes and kind of had to do.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I think you protect the take. Yes, I start doing
that because I didn't want to keep ruining the takes.
So I did start to develop her rhythm inside of
my head to prepare myself to not laugh.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
No, that's a good that, that's a really you have
to there has to be some mechanism, yes, otherwise how
do you get anything done? You can kill someone with
just a look. That is the funniest shit I've seen today.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I get the intimidation thing, though there was for a
while I was really intimidated by her. But it works
because that's her character.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Obviously, right, which is also hilarious because she is like
the softest, nicest.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't think anyone in Hollywood has a bad thing
to say about Jane Lynn.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
No, there's no way. And that's the reason why she
has eighty jobs at once always, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
She'll say, I'm never working.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, it's okay, Shane. Sure, and she takes care of
all those animals. This sweet sweet lady, sweet sweet human.
Should we do some of these fan questions? There were
a lot of questions for you, Matt, oh boy. Okay,
we obviously are not going through the hundreds of questions.
Here's one. At what point did the hair jokes stop
(51:18):
feeling like jokes?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Pretty early on? You know, it's funny. I've had such
a journey with in my own life with my hair.
My hair used to be stick straight and blonde, like
super blonde, stick straight, And when I went through puberty,
that's when it started curling up. So I didn't know
what to do with it. And for years I was
(51:45):
just like trying to like manage these curls that just
came out of nowhere, and I hate I used to
wear depth gel jelly, yeah, like hold your hair, and
then I I got into lubraderm like the body.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my thing. Yeah, but
it never really bothered me, because you know, I love
my hair. I think it was more Ryan Than because
he didn't have hair. He was just kind of like
keep going. He would say that he was very jealous
of my hair.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, yes, yeah, you did have great hairy He was
just playing at you. He's saying, here you go, Maddie.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
I think there's a little contempt there from from Ryan.
But but I don't think it ever lost. It's it
might have lost. It's like kind of luster with the
audience because there was a.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Lot of hair jokes. I never got one of my fa.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
They say they were always fucking hilarious though, so I was.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I was like, where is Ian coming up with this?
It's like, get out your thesaurus of hair jokes. Truly. Also,
the funny thing was it was like your hair always
looked nice, Like she'd say this crazy stems, like his
hair looks normal, perfect, And yeah, I like that. She
hated it so much, but there was something wrong, Yes,
exactly she was. If you actually had bad hair and
(53:12):
then they were picking on it, it would have been
that wouldn't have been funny, though exactly exactly someone wanted
someone just wrote anything about working with Jama.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
I mean how long you got exactly? Uh, just the
the kindest, most open hearted, beautiful and respectful not only actor,
but just human being. I think I know she is
(53:44):
just she wears her heart er sleeve. She's so thoughtful,
she cares about the work, she cares about the person
she's working with, and she is just you know, Honestly,
if I if I missed one person from that show
the most, it would probably be her. Like I don't
(54:05):
keep in touch with her very often, but I yeah,
I loved working with her. Every time I saw that
we had seen together. I think I put more attention
into those scenes because I know I knew that she
would always show up, and I really wanted to make
those scenes just as dynamic and as strong as as
(54:25):
can be because she I mean, she comes off as
a little you know on the show, like a little
ditzy little but she is. She was so present and
so in character and so just like she would just
give it every time. So I felt like I had
a really solid co partner to work off of.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
So she made it look so effortless.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
People talked to her every.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Now and then, Yeah, because I'm obsessed with her, like
she's an excuse to see her. Two funny as people
I've ever met she's yeah, yeah, it's like you wouldn't
necessarily think it's exactly she says some crazy shit, but
you're right. She's really sweet and it makes for a
(55:11):
really good actor and a good scene partner because she's
so giving, she's you know, and she she brings out
the best in everybody, so you could definitely tell like
rewatching those scenes. I think the adult scenes stick out
to us more now because you know, back in the
day you're watching like, oh, what did we do and
what clowning were we doing in this number? And you
know you're watching yourself. But to rewatch it through the
(55:34):
lens of in the space and time that we've had,
you're like, oh, wow, I get it, Like it was
really it's really profound and different and exciting for us
to watch it now.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
You're making me want to go back and start watching it.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
I know. I mean those first few seasons too were
just like it's it's really really great and the work
is really really good. Everybody really was giving it, So
let us know if you do.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
I will.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Somebody asked, what do you miss the most about playing Will?
Speaker 1 (56:10):
Jeez? I know there's there's been like a lot of
backlash for that character, you know, in terms of of
his proximity to the students and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
And of course that's a different time, no.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
But I I I think at the time it did
take that personally. But yeah, so you're I'm an actor
showing up, saying my lines and being directed in a
way in a certain way. So I didn't like what
the character became, I guess. But for me, I think
the thing I loved most about Will, what I think
(56:53):
was his proximity to to the kids. Because for me, personally,
I had like great mentors in my life and people
that I just really you know, I knew them personally,
like I knew their their kids. I went to their
kids baptisms and all these these things, and they were
(57:13):
just like really just I was really involved in their
lives and them in mind. And I feel like that
was Will Shuster, you know, even just cared so much. Yeah,
out a a lens of twenty twenty four, where we are,
I'm sure I'm like I said, I don't remember show
that well, but I'm sure some of this stuff was
a little probably creepy. But yeah, I come from a
(57:41):
time where, you know, having mentors meant so much.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, really.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I was really proud of that, of being a mentor,
and I think in the beginning I really wanted to
be a mentor to all of you as well in
real life until I got scared. Oh but yeah, so
I uh yeah, I think the mentorship role was something
that I really connected to.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, I hear that. Do you your favorite guest star?
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Oh that's a really tough one.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
I think GP for me would would be my favorite.
Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, I just loved her.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You guys are great together. Yeah. It was really good.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
But I mean I have so like, Okay, Kristen would
be the top. Ye yeah, you know, yeah, I was
really lucky with guest stars. I feel like I really
got to like have some great scenes with with guest stars.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yes, and yeah, you got to do all of this
stuff with the guest stars. Well, somebody asked about dream On.
It's like, you know Neil Patrick too, Like you guys,
it's like unreal, so good.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
That was fun. I just remember him. He was like
hosting the Emmys that year.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
He was so like, what am I doing? It was
so any hosts like the Oscars the night before or something.
He did the Oscars yeh was it the Oscars. It
was Oscars Emmys and we all went to the parties
and then we showed up to work the next day.
He's like glowing and we're all like, oh, he has
like monologues and he's like, I'm not going to get.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
This sorry, sorry guys in advance.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
And then he won an Emmy. He's like, remember when
I didn't remember my life?
Speaker 1 (59:24):
That's why I'm getting emmything because he won the Emmy
for that episode.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, oh my gosh, he.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Was so great at it. And yeah, that that number
in particular was one of the highlights. But also like
like Jama was is just like one of those giving
people and just and we have gone on to like
have just an amazing friendship. And you know now she's
married to Brad and like.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, we love them. Yes, so yeah, it's great. Now
she's family. She's family forever. Okay, so we ask everybody
at the end of the episode, Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Geez, one of these questions. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
We're a self health podcast. No, I'm kidding, we should
not be giving advice. No, what is the feeling that
Glee leaves you with.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Connections going out?
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
So I'm dead.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It is so mixed. I don't have a single answer
for that question. Like I said, it was the highest
of highs and the lowest of lows. But when I
look back at it, and I'm so proud. I'm proud
of the impact that we had in society. I'm proud
(01:01:04):
of all the things that we did for so many
communities that were underserved or underrepresented. The show opened people's
eyes to diversity, to people who weren't the status quo,
(01:01:25):
who looked different, who acted different, and and I feel
like it was the beginning of such a revolution. And
for me, that is so beautiful to have been at
the kind of nucleus of that whole, you know thing.
(01:01:46):
So I can't look back and be you know, I
can complain about being overworked and you know, blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah. But just like the impact,
that's the thing that will will stand the test of time.
And for me, I think that is that's a beautiful thing.
Because most shows, most TV shows do not have an impact.
(01:02:10):
They're they're binge worthy, they're fun, they're you know, you
might learn something, But there's there are a few and
far between shows that have like a cultural impact and
a societal people. So yeah, I love, I love being
a part of that legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Beautiful, well said. Thank you for taking the time to
chat with us. This is it was just a podcast. No, no, no,
don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. If you
see anything on line, it's a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Oh I can't wait wait to see what sound bites kids.
Thank you for having me and whatever. Glad we just
to catch up.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I'm so good to see you. Thank you for
spending so much time with us. It's very sweet of you. Pleasure,
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Love.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, let me too.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Wow. Matt Mattie mo Mattie Morrison, mister shoot himself. You know,
what a joy, what a joy. He's a kind he's
a kind, soul calm. So yeah, it was very enlightening
to hear his his experience and for him to be
so honest about it, you know, because I think we
kind of, like he said, we separated around season four,
(01:03:32):
five six, like we didn't really see that much of
Matt and so you know, it was like we didn't
we didn't get the insights like we used to. We
didn't you know, we didn't get him as much and
I think we were so bogged down in our day
to day that we weren't. It wasn't like we had
time to even like hang out with him outside of work. Yeah,
(01:03:55):
you'rest we were hanging out with whoever we were with
shooting well, I'm so grateful for Maddie to come and
share his experience. And I hope you guys can show
the episode and remember when you're talking about Shoe that
Matt is not Shoe. You don't hate Maddie. People don't,
though we can, but just just to be safe, you know,
(01:04:17):
people are very good about separating the two. I just
want to state it. Thank you, Matt Morrison, our mister
Shoe forever for joining us and that's what you really missed.
Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and
that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write
us a review and leave us five stars. See you
(01:04:38):
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